UPDATE 2011: Our latest article, written two years after the one below, can be found here: XBOX 360 vs Playstation 3 – After Four Years. Much has changed, so it is suggested that you check that one out instead! Or at the very least, read that version once you are finished with this one.
Wow. That’s the first thing that comes to mind when I look back to our PS3 vs. XBOX 360 articles (the original, written by a game developer friend of mine when the PS3 launched, and the first annual comparison article written by myself a year later). The feedback I’ve received for these articles has been tremendous, not just in amount but in quality as well. Most people agree that the articles are among the very few on the net that don’t take sides in the argument, and offer a fair comparison of both consoles. They somehow managed to make both groups of fanboys happy.
As always, I will remain completely impartial for this article as well. I am going to keep things as objective as possible, leaving most everything else up to you to decide. If you expect me to tell you which console is the right one for you to buy, or which one “has better graphics” think again. Only you can know that. My goal is to provide you with enough information that you should be able to know clearly which one is better for you. So if you haven’t read our prior articles, you might want to do so first.
Click below to read the entire 4200+ word article :)
Price
What a way to start things off! The prices of next-gen consoles have dropped dramatically since the PS3 was introduced. Last year, we were talking about $500 and $600 models of the PS3, and $280 and $350 versions of the XBOX 360. Console SKUs have changed a lot in the past year as well, especially in the case of the PS3. We have been tracking their changes here and here, so you should go there to see what the latest features are. This is especially important with regards to the PS3, where features seem to be dropped rather than added with every SKU change.
In terms of price, the PS3 can be had for $399 for the 80GB version, and $499 for the 160GB version. It makes almost no sense to pay the extra $100 for the larger hard drive, as the consoles are otherwise identical (except for the fact that the 160GB comes with Drake’s Fortune and Pain, which may or may not make up for the extra cost depending on the type of games you like to play). If you really need the space, a 320GB laptop drive is no more than $80 these days, and it’s very easy to install into the PS3.
As far as the XBOX 360 goes, Microsoft have aggressively dropped the price on their console to the point where the low-end version without a hard drive costs $50 less than a Wii. It even comes with a full game (Sega Superstars Tennis at this time – obviously intended to compete with potential Wii Sports buyers) as well as a collection of XBLA games on disc. If you want to spend no more than $200, and are choosing between a Wii and a 360, the answer is obvious: if you like playing video games, get a 360. If you want to have something sitting around that your friends and family will play once in a while after a few drinks, get a Wii.
The ‘regular’ versions of the XBOX 360 (with a hard drive) are $299 for a 60GB version, and $399 for a 120GB Elite. Both versions come bundled with the same two games at this time; Lego Indiana Jones, and Kung-Fu Panda. So again, there is really not much reason to spend the extra $100, unless you really need the extra hard drive space. Unlike the PS3, you will need to spend that extra cash if you want the space, because the 360′s drive format is proprietary. So if you can justify the need for 120GB, get the Elite. Just be mindful that you aren’t getting much else besides a black paint job and an HDMI cable.
So the main contenders are the Playstation 3 80GB for $399, and the XBOX 360 60GB for $299. For many people, this is all that matters, and they could just stop reading here. After all, XBOX 360 sold over twice as many units at the beginning of the 2008 xmas buying seas as the PS3 (836K vs. 378K – Source: NPD).
One major issues with the XBOX 360′s price is that it still does not have integrated Wi-Fi in the box (no, not even the so-called “Elite”). If you need to use Wi-Fi to connect to the internet rather than cables, you will be required to spend around $100 for a proprietary Wireless adapter. That is absolutely ridiculous for a simple USB adapter that normally costs $20 or so. Here’s a tip: online import stores generally sell them for less, since XBOX 360 accessories cost much less in Asia.
Performance
If you pay attention to actual game developers, and not the angry fanboys, you will learn that no, the Playstation 3 doesn’t have “more graphics power” than the 360. The fact is, XBOX 360′s Xenos GPU itself has far more computing power than the RSX GPU
that resides in the PS3. Does this mean the 360 has “better graphics”? I don’t know, that is a subjective matter, beyond the scope of this objective
comparison, and entirely up to you to decide. If you like what you see
on the PS3, then to you, it has “better graphics”. If you like what you see on
the 360, then there you go. That is all subjective, and not the goal of this
article. The CPU power is another story however; on paper the Cell has a lot more potential than the triple-core Xeon that resides in the 360. Last year, I wrote,
…I fully expect the PS3 to win this category – eventually. To what extent, I’m not sure (very likely it’s only going to be the blockbuster first-party titles that take full advantage of Cell), and when this will occur, I’m not sure either. Obviously, one full year wasn’t enough.
One year certainly wasn’t enough, but were two? That’s a subjective matter,
and up to you to decide. For my money, not many games look better than MGS4 on
PS3, and Killzone 2 is looking really good. However, “Blockbuster” exclusives will almost always look
really good, and comparing one to the other is pretty much pointless.
If Killzone 2 is any indication, it looks like PS3′s Cell architecture is finally beginning to flex its muscle. It is possible that the 360 has already met its full potential, and the PS3 is still getting there, at least for AAA exclusives
are concerned. That is purely conjecture though, and that’s not what this article is about.
XBOX 360 had a huge advantage in most third-party games in 2007. We wrote that first of all, games aren’t really “Full HD” at this point. Games run in much lower resolutions in order to keep the overall quality and effects high. Make no mistake; you need a PC to play games with high detail, full HD graphics; both consoles lag far behind a well equipped PC. But I digress; when it comes to third-party titles throughout its first year, PS3 games were often late and featured noticeably lower quality graphics when compared to the same games on 360. Is that the case now? Sort of, but it’s not nearly as bad. Let’s take a look at some familiar multi-platform games of 2008:
- Fallout 3 – looks essentially the same on both, but PS3 version lacks antialiasing. The PS3 version initially had bugs, but they have since been patched.
- Bioshock – Despite coming out a year later, the PS3 version of Bioshock was pretty much a mess at first. Some of the textures are noticeably lower, and the framerate stutters often. A patch improved things, but the framerate is still lower.
- Dead Space – The developers have been quoted that working with Sony is “challenging” so the old mantra of the Sony and Playstation being tough to work with hold true to this day. Thankfully, they were able to manage a good experience on both consoles, and both versions play about the same.
- Soul Calibur IV – The 360 version runs in a 960p frame buffer, but Namco-Bandai decided to downsample the 360′s resolution down to 720p to smooth the image rather that utilize AA. However, the difference is not significant, so both versions look pretty close to the same (the 360 does have some extra lighting effects). Since you can download both Darth Vader and Yoda on either version, even that has become a moot point.
- Devil May Cry 4 – Remember this one? It came out in 2008 as well. Unlike most games, this isn’t a port from one console to another. Rather, Capcom develops their games on a tri-platform engine (Framework MT), then compile them for PC, PS3, and XBOX 360. Antialiasing is present on the 360 version, since it is essentially ‘free’. To keep it running at 720p with a decent framerate on the PS3, Capcom utilized a pseudo-AA effect by shifting frames and creating a blur effect. It does smooth things out, but during fast moving scenes it tends to stand out.
In the end, I think we can say that multiplatform gaming is getting closer to parity, but it’s not quite there yet. The 360′s superior graphics power is especially applicable to multi-platform games
that do not get a lot of development time to make full use of Cell architecture,
and the XBOX 360′s GPU allows it to run at higher resolutions while eliminating jaggies with “Free” Antialiasing.
Furthermore, Playstation 3 titles tend to ship with bugs that get patched at a later time. This is nothing new to PC gamers of course, but definitely quite new to console gamers (and not exclusive to PS3 either – plenty of XBOX 360 games get patched as well).
You should also consider that many games require a mandatory installation on the Playstation 3, and in many cases load times are still about the same as a DVD would be. With the XBOX 360, you have the choice of installing a game to the hard drive, and when you do you will instantly notice faster load times and quieter operation. Comparing DMC4 load times
on an installed PS3 version to an installed XBOX 360 version is quite significant.
Game Selection
This was a touchy subject for many Sony fanboys who read last year’s article. They stated that it wasn’t “fair” to compare the game selection of the 360, which had an extra year’s worth of game releases. My answer to them is, it doesn’t matter which console came out first. These articles are about what is out there RIGHT NOW.
Last year, the overall quality of exclusive titles was clearly better on the 360. With games like Bioshock, Forza 2, Halo 3, and Mass Effect, the 360 had many “Editor’s Choice” worthy titles, as well as a few “Game of the Year” contenders for 2007. Meanwhile, Sony’s best exclusives were Ratchet & Clank, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted. Good games to be sure, but not exactly the same caliber. So have things switched around in 2008? Let’s take a look:
| XBOX 360 Exclusives released in 2008 | |
| Title | GameRankings Score |
| Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts | 80 |
| Command & Conquer 3: Kane’s Wrath | 75 |
| Culdcept Saga | 77 |
| Dance Dance Revolution Universe 3 | 72 |
| Dark Messiah Might and Magic: Elements | 53 |
| Fable II | 89 |
| Frontlines: Fuel of War | 77 |
| Gears of War 2 | 94 |
| Guilty Gear 2: Overture | 60 |
| Infinite Undiscovery | 68 |
| Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom | 56 |
| Left 4 Dead | 90 |
| Lips | 72 |
| Lost Odyssey | 79 |
| Namco Museum Virtual Arcade | 74 |
| Naruto: The Broken Bond | 81 |
| Ninja Gaiden II | 82 |
| Scene It? Box Office Smash | 76 |
| Spectral Force 3: Innocent Rage | 60 |
| Supreme Commander | 59 |
| Tales of Vesperia | 83 |
| Too Human | 68 |
| Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise | 83 |
| Warhammer: Battle March | 57 |
| You’re in the Movies | 56 |
| Zoids Assault | 47 |
| Playstation 3 Exclusives released in 2008 | |
| Title | GameRankings Score |
| Buzz! Quiz TV | 82 |
| Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice | 80 |
| Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds | 81 |
| Gran Turismo 5 Prologue | 80 |
| Haze | 57 |
| LittleBigPlanet | 94 |
| Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots | 92 |
| MLB 08: The Show | 86 |
| Monster Madness: Grave Danger | 55 |
| MotorStorm: Pacific Rift | 82 |
| Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm | 76 |
| NBA 09: The Inside | 64 |
| Resistance 2 | 88 |
| SingStar | 83 |
| SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation | 66 |
| Valkyria Chronicles | 87 |
This table includes games that are “console exclusive” but are also available on PC.
Green = over 80% score in GameRankings
Bold = Worthy of Game of the Year consideration (this is regardless of their GR scores)
These lists cover the entire calendar year of 2008. Keep in mind that the intention of displaying exclusives like this is not to determine which console “is better”. It is assumed that the multiplatform games are essentially equal on both, and there are plenty of really good multi-platform games. In fact, looking at these lists, only 3 to 5 exclusive games are really worthy of GOTY consideration.
What we can see by looking at these tables, is that the 360 certainly has a lot more shovelware (especially from Japan). Aside from the crap, both consoles offer about the same amount of “good” exclusive titles. And finally, it sort of shows the futility of aggregated scores; are SingStar and Buzz really “better” than Banjo-Kazooie and Disgaea 3?
Looking ahead into 2009, the future of exclusives on XBOX 360 seems somewhat questionable at this point. Little is known about many of the titles, and they have yet to have their desirability (or even 2009 release dates) confirmed. Some of the titles we’re looking forward to are Forza Motorsport 3, Halo 3: Recon, Star Ocean, and (maybe) Alan Wake. Mass Effect 2 is questionable at best. XBOX 360 is however getting some nice exclusive downloadable content, like GTA IV and Fallout 3 (hope you didn’t trade those in!). On the PS3 side, we have Heavy Rain, Infamous, God of War 3, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and White Knight Chronicles to look forward to. Gran Turismo 5 may even make it by the end of the year, but probably only in Japan. Those are some pretty big sequels right there, but much of it is conjecture at this point, so we can’t comment on it too much. In November, we’ll look at how each console’s year went ;)
Online Support
Sony has come a long way in the year since we last did this comparison. Can you imagine playing a game, and not having access to your friends list? And whether you like it or not, a lot of people can’t live without achievements. Sony has added these features to their interface, while maintaining free online access. It’s not as good as it sounds however; chatting with friends is still clunky as hell, and it’s still difficult to invite them to games (there is still no auto invite function).
Some games have added better interfaces (Burnout Paradise comes to mind), but in the end, PS3′s online functionality is very poor in comparison to XBOX Live. I guess you can still say “You get what you pay for” in this case.
Another issue is the fact that there are fewer people buying Playstation 3 games. Not only is the console being outsold by quite a significant margin by the XBOX 360 (4.62 million compared to 2.56 million in 2008 alone, and 9.15 million compared to 3.25 million in the lifetime of the consoles), it also sells less games per console. That means that you will find many more online games of Call of Duty 4, for instance, on the XBOX 360. Also, even your multi-console friends will probably choose to play online games on the 360, because of everything I mentioned here.
New Interfaces
Both Sony and Microsoft launched their big interface upgrades right before the holiday buying season, and if there was one thing that set the consoles apart, these new features are it. On the Microsoft side, the entire console interface has been retooled. I mentioned in last year’s comparison article:
I prefer the PS3’s interface to the bright, flashy, sluggish interface of the XBOX 360. Turning on the PS3 to watch a high-definition movie feels like a classy, almost ‘high end’ experience. In contrast, fire up the XBOX 360 and you are treated to a whining fan, screeching DVD drive, and bright flashy colours on your screen.
The “New XBOX Interface” or NXE replaces the annoyingly low-framerate, bright flashy interface with a sleeker system that actually works somewhat similar to Playstation’s “Cross Media Bar” or XMB. It still isn’t as “classy” as the default PS3 option, but it is a HUGE improvement. And if you don’t want to play around on it, simply hit your “X” button on the controller to gain access to all the functionality in a compact window.
Since last year, PS3′s XMB has added theme functionality (both free and commercial themes are available on PSN). NXE also has themes, and it actually does a better job of separating the content you are browsing from the theme itself. Some XMB themes that have light backgrounds are impossible to use because of the white text.
That brings me to Playstation @Home. If you haven’t tried it by now, you’ve surely heard about this ambitious project. Meant to be a sort of “Second Life” for video games, the “beta” launch of @Home can be considered a complete flop by all gamers (Sony fanboy or not). If you know nothing of it, let me try to describe it for you.
Picture this scene: A stark looking “futuristic” city garden, populated by zombies that all have the same blank expressions on their faces, same clothes and same hairstyles. Wherever there is a female zombie, she will be surrounded by at least 5 male zombies, all of whom are showing off their best dance movies. Also, bubble machines are everywhere.
That’s @Home in a nutshell. I am not even going to bring up the absurdity that is asking people to pay to make their zombies look slightly different. I was in the @Home closed beta for a while, and I can admit that it is somewhat fun to win special clothing and furniture by playing games (the Namco prizes are especially cool). The problem is, there is absolutely nothing to do with this clothing and furniture once you’ve won it, except wearing the clothing and placing the furniture on floors.
Since @Home isn’t exactly an interface replacement, we can’t really compare it directly to NXE. Instead, we can simply consider it as being an ‘extra’ to the PS3 that pretty much nobody is using at this point. It may improve, but right now it should absolutely not be part of the reason you decide to buy a Playstation 3.
NXE on the other hand improves the XBOX 360′s interface to the point where it is at least as enjoyable to use as XMB. Personally, I
hated the original XBOX 360 interface, so this new one is a huge improvement. Also, being able to install games to the hard drive (completely optional) is a really nice feature. PS3 games often require installation to bring load times up to DVD speed (or slightly faster). With NXE, you are beating DVD’s already quick load times (and quieting down the ridiculously loud DVD drive).
Playstation Network Store vs. XBOX Live Arcade
The initial interface of Sony’s online store was, to say the least, crap. However they revised it last year, and it is now very easy to find games, demos, and other extra goodies. There are even ‘branded stores’ for companies like Capcom who offer many titles.
Big titles like Mega Man and Street Fighter HD are available on both programs, and usually run well on both consoles. Both consoles have good indy support as well, with all the PixelJunk games and such on PSN, and games like Braid on XBLA.
Microsoft tends to do a better job of adding retro games, while Sony only occasionally adds the odd PS1 title, and has a few arcade games available. This is one thing that drives retro fans like
myself crazy; with hundreds of great games that can easily be made available on PSN for little cost, it’s frustrating that there are so few.
As far as demos go, both PSN and XBLA have time fee-based demo exclusivity. For XBLA, it’s in the form of XBOX Live membership, where if you’re a paying member (which all online gamers are), you get early access to demos. For Playstation Network, you have to subscribe to their “video magazine” Qore to get monthly exclusive demos, the value of which is questionable.
Multimedia
When I last compared the two consoles, the PS3 had just received an update allowing it to play DivX files using the AVI container format (in other words, the most common format used by people who “share” movies and TV recordings). Shortly after that, XBOX 360 received similar features.
As it stands, basic multimedia functionality of the two consoles in terms of playback is pretty much the same. One major advantage of the PS3 is that not only can it stream media, but you can store media on it as well. The 360 was only ever intended to be a “Media Extender” so you can’t do things like save your AVI files on the hard drive.
There have been rumors for the past year that Microsoft would begin supporting Blu-Ray on the XBOX 360 following the demise of HD-DVD. Those rumors have been pretty much completely squashed, so that leaves PS3 as the only Blu-Ray playing video game console for quite a while. And as a Blu-Ray player, the PS3 is fantastic. It supports all the latest features, and has responsive controls and high video quality.
Netflix
Depending on your situation, this may be a HUGE deal for XBOX 360, something that you need to consider if you like to rent movies. With NXE, XBOX 360 added the ability to stream movies in near-DVD to 720p quality to users with XBOX Live Gold and Netflix Unlimited accounts. At a low monthly cost, users have access to over 100,000 titles, including movies and TV shows. Keep in mind however, that this feature is only available to US residents at this time.
With some effort, you can do the same with the PS3, but nothing beats turning the 360 into a media center that allows you to easily browse through thousands of movies and shows, and instantly start streaming them with decent quality. PS3′s Blu-Ray support is more geared for video enthusiasts, where Netflix streaming is more for the casual crowd. So it’s up to you to decide which is better for you.
Other Considerations
There are of course some other things that we need to consider when comparing the consoles that may not fit under certain categories. For some people, this is what will make or break their purchasing decision.
- RROD. The issue has seemingly been taken care of, as reports of recent XBOX 360 models have been few and far between. However, if you are using a launch unit, the longer you play it, the closer you are to disaster. I am knocking on wood at this point, but it just seems that having your XBOX 360 die on you is not a threat, but an inevitability.
- Import Gaming. I touched on this last year – the fact that the Playstation 3 is completely region free for PS3 titles makes it the easy choice for import gamers. If you are into playing the latest whacky titles from Japan, then the decision has been made for you pretty much. Furthermore, it’s very easy to create PSN accounts in other countries, allowing you to play demos intended for other regions. Without a credit card, you won’t be able to purchase PSN games, but this is still a nice feature to have.
- Piracy. The PS3 still has yet to be figured out by modders, so pirates are still left with one choice between the two. That said, Microsoft is constantly battling piracy, in the form of completely banning consoles that play online with pirated games. The Playstation 3 will almost inevitably be cracked, but when it happens and how easy it’s going to be are unknown at this point.
- Folding@Home. Again, not a big deal to most people, but folders who are on the fence about which console to buy will want to consider the PS3. Believe it or not, there are some pretty hardcore folders out there who care a lot about how many points they make.
- PSP Connectivity. This function was added just after I wrote my last article, and it’s only gotten better since then. The interoperability between the PS3 and PSP is nothing short of impressive. Browse the console from anywhere, stream music and video, play games. It’s really cool. Unfortunately, the PSP has become somewhat irrelevant in the last year, due to a lack of.. any games worth playing at all.
- Backwards Compatibility. If you are interested in playing your PS2 library on your shiny new PS3, forget it. Any system bought in a store today has absolutely no PS2 functionality whatsoever. Not even emulation. On top of that, PS2 emulation on the old 80GB version was extremely sketchy. If you really want a backwards compatible PS3, you need to buy a used 60GB or 20GB. In the meantime, Microsoft is expanding their backwards compatibility, and adding new Original XBOX games to their online library from time to time.
- Display Connectivity. When I wrote last year’s article, you had to buy an Elite XBOX 360 to get HDMI output. Since then, every single XBOX 360 has HDMI output (even the $200 Core System) so this is no longer an issue. What may be an issue is that you will need to use a custom cable if you want to use optical audio with HDMI video. This costs around $40.
- Open Source Operating Systems. Again, PS3 is the only console that officially allows you to install Linux on it. You can’t play PS3 games while in Linux, but you can switch back to the XMB easily. There is still a group that is working on a version of Linux that can be installed on XBOX 360.
Conclusion
So, which is better, XBOX 360 or PS3?
The answer is……. Neither! Look, each console has its “pros and cons”. If you primarily play online games, you will want to get an XBOX 360. If you have a nice HDTV and want to enjoy beautiful Blu-Ray movies, you will want to get a PS3. If you are an “achievement whore” you will want a 360. If you like to play import games, you will want a PS3. If you want to easily stream near-HD quality movies and TV shows, get a 360. It goes on and on. If you like Halo games, get a 360. If you are more of a Killzone kinda guy, get a PS3. If you want to spend less than $400, get a 360.
If you think the PS3 has “better graphics” get a PS3. If you think the XBOX 360
has “better graphics” then get an XBOX 360.
The fact is, the decisions that influence your purchasing decision are entirely up to you. What matters to you may not matter to the next person. But hopefully you have a clearer picture of “what matters” to you, and how the consoles compare after reading this article. If it’s exclusive titles, fine. Go with the console that has the games you like. If it’s “which multiplatform games play better on this console” the answer is… Well the 360 is a bit better, but the PS3 is improving in this regard (and buggy games do get patched).
I’ll finish off with some comments that are purely subjective. It is my personal opinion that it just ‘feels’ better to play games on the Playstation 3. After reading this entire article, the PS3 has some advantages and some disadvantages, but for some reason I just like playing games on it better. It’s quiet, I don’t have to worry about it Red Ringing on me, and I actually prefer the DualShock 3 controller (when the connection is not cutting out, which seems to happen with less frequency now that I think about it). I am more of an offline gamer when it comes to consoles, so the XBOX 360′s huge advantage of being the superior online gaming system doesn’t apply to me. I just want a console that will do what it’s supposed to do, and do so quietly. Other people will feel just the opposite, and that is perfectly fine. I have my reasons, and you have yours. And neither of those should affect one another. That’s the whole point of writing this article in the manner that I have.
Comments are welcome, keeping in mind that fanboy crap will not remotely be tolerated. If you have a comment to make, try to do so in a respectable manner.
Winner: Neither
I’m going to have to read that last part again. And again. And again!
Nice post. I just finished reading all 3 of your articles and they helped me a great deal in deciding which console to treat myself to. Thanks!
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I was looking forward to a straight up “Winner” at the end of this, but your right. It truly is up to me to make this decision. Props on these 3 great articles, read all three word for word, re-reading certain things multiple times. Sadly, I’m still struggling to come to a conclusion on which console is right for me. Thanks a lot though! :D
Nice article, liked the first one the best though. It seems clear that both consoles now offer a viable option for gamers now. Personally I still prefer Xbox, basically just because I prefer the controller, exclusives and online. No HD tv after all.
Got a question:
Are PS3 exclusives worthy?
I’m looking forward to buy a PS3, with a 320 GB HDD, and I want to know if these titles are worth the buy (not all of them are exclusives, tough)
Fallout 3
GTA IV
Killzone 2
Resident Evil 5
Eternal Sonata
Valkyrie Chronicles
Rainbow six vegas 2 (for co-op play)
And I’m buying Dragon Age Origins for PC too
I can tell you without a doubt that Fallout 3 and GTA IV are exceptional games and both will offer many hours of great gameplay. Also Killzone 2 and Resident Evil 5 look amazing although they have yet to come out. If they come anywhere close to the hype they are receiving they will be among the top PS3 game for sure. Eternal Sonata and Valkyria Chronicles have received mixed reviews depending and a lot depends on whether the style of game is for you. I have played both and personally would not consider them great games. However that is just me and I know many people who rave about how amazing Valkyria Chronicles is. Having not played Rainbow 6 Vegas I can’t help you there. All these titles are defiantly worth a shot but I would put Fallout 3 and GTA IV at the top of my list if I was you.
I don’t understand it the best game the ps3 has is assasin creed.but know one talks about it.I’v played over 2,000 games on all platform,and that game has the best of everything.It puts GTA IV to shame.not saying it not good just better.how doesn’t like walking up on someone and sliting their throut in first person,let the blood fly!
Assassin’s Creed was one of the least fun games I have ever played. The game is damn beautiful, but the gameplay is incredibly repetitive. Personally, the game didn’t deserve most of the praise it received. The whole game was repeating the same thing over and over again. Yeah, slitting someone’s throat is fun… the first time. After about 100 times, not so much.
You’ll want to keep in mind that DLC expansions for both GTA IV and Fallout 3 are available only for Xbox 360 and PC.
All fallout 3 DLC will be available on the playstation 3 as well.
Not when that comment was posted. lol
Hell at least 360 users get that DLC first.
Honestly I see the GTAIV content going to PS3 eventually as well. It’d be stupid of Rockstar not to do that in terms of revenue generated. Unless of course MS start doing a little more money sharing.
GREAT work!
I’ll read it over and over again throughout the next month, when I’ll buy my first new VG since Super Nintendo! :)
Excellent article. Happy to hear some common sense for once..
Let me tell you that I had firt a Xbox360, with it I played Gears of War 1, but it failed for the “three red lights” problem. Then I decided to get a PS3. Now I’ve bought MGS4, LBP, GTAIV, and these are great games, so I’m glad I have my great and trustful PS3.
I just can’t be more exited for 2009, because this year Sony releases a very impressive catalog of exclusives.
Besides that, the only game I’d like to still be able to play is Gears of War2, but with the critics I’ve read that say it’s almost the same of the first one I think I haven’t lost as much as I thought.
Yeah, I’ve had 4 xbox 360s, 2 of the regular white ones and 2 elites, and every single one has failed on me. So, he should actually change it to siding with the PS3. I don’t even have one and I would rather have gotten one from the very beginning instead of having to deal with the nonsense of sending in my xbox and getting a new one every 6 months or so. I have never heard of a play station failing, so I’m assuming if you want reliability, get a PS3. If you want to deal with Microsoft’s not-so-great-with-english phone operators to send your big loud brick in, Xbox 360 is your best bet.
All Xbox exclusives come out on PC a year or two later. Not so with PS3 exclusives. This is often overlooked, but IMO the best reason to pick up a PS3 over 360.
I choose the XBOX 360, because:
Blu-ray. I don’t need it.
Cost is higher than XBOX 360.
Folding@Home. I do not need it (PC from $1500 more powerful than the PS3).
I think the XBOX 360 has better graphics.
PSP. I do not need to connect it.
Linux. I prefer to use the Linux on PC.
Exclusive GTA IV Episodes, Halo 3, Fable 2, GoW 2, etc.
JUST GREAT! Probs to you for this f$&!ing great article (and for the first & second one as well)
what i love especially in your articles is the fact, that you just list every aspect (pro & con) of the both console and the reader can pick “his” arguments. For example, im gonna pick the xbox 360 because i am a street fighter 2 oldskooler (mmmh….back in the days….1993 :-) ) with the problem to havent any competition among my friends (i won always every fighting game) – but with xbox live the japanese pro gamers will kick the shit out of me ;-)
and my personally con argument against the ps3 is the fact that i’ll NEVER EVER buy / borrow bluray-movies – its 2009 and i still had not any kind of standalone dvd-player and dont own a single DVD-movie. That said, with the ps3 i would have to pay extra cash for a bluray player (i really good one as far as i’ve heard and seen by myself) that wont ever come to use for me.
for everybody who still cant decide which one to pick: try to find THE k.o. argument against the ps3 or xbox360 and take the other one – its that simple :-)
chillcut
Netflix is only for North America, so I think you should not consider it as something global.
Us in other countries don’t have that feature =(
Other than that, I really liked your article =D
Netflix currently is only available in the U.S.
…and, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the article did mention that Netflix was available to U.S. residents only.
Well done, excellent article!
One thing that makes the Xbox nice is the fact that you can purchase a VGA cable and experience HD on basically any PC monitor / LCD screen. You dont need to own a HD Plasma or LCD TV to enjoy HD gaming.
”All Xbox exclusives come out on PC a year or two later. Not so with PS3 exclusives. This is often overlooked, but IMO the best reason to pick up a PS3 over 360.”
Ofcourse, assuming everyone has a PC capable of playing all of those PC games which unfortunately alot of people cannot afford therefore it’d be cheaper/easier/better for such people to get an xbox360 and play such PC games there.
Also, i myself as someone who has a pc that could play those games, know that i won’t want to play most 360 games on pc when they’re released on pc, simply cause there will more than likely be something new out for pc and 360 by then that will be better.
Looking at buying a 360 at the moment.
Will let all know how it all goes down in the end.
Pretty gud article but u forget to mention that the ps3 is a complete media system that u can connect to ur computer and stream videos, music and graphics as well as move files. I did this today and it’s super easy.
i have always had all 3 consoles and i picked the ps3 to play the most i didnt understand y ppl hated it untill i read this great job.
lol ps3 for me it is awesome still i find playing online with ps3 had no problems wheneer i had mates come over with their ps3′s. Not to mention even though these are good istill love playing me oh sega saturn, super nintendo and pcs
Fantastic article!
I agree with the majority of the points & particularly the conclusion. personally I opted for the 360 when a UK supermarket had the 60gb pro for £139, so price was the biggest decider for me. I would say that neither of them are “futureproof” as Sony constantly like to brag, as their graphics chips and memory are already limiting them compared to a current midrange PC. I 2 years from now they will start to look rather archaic. So whatever console you go for, base it on what you can get out of it today not in a few years time.
I had all 3 consoles. XBOX 360, PS3 and Wii. Whilst the Wii was more fo the kids. I enjoyed both the XBOX 360 and PS3.
I was miffed that I had to buy an online adapter for the XBOX 360 (additional $99) and pay for XBOX Live Gold service and buy the play and charge adapters.
Then the inevitable happened, XBOX 360 RROD after 13months – having played GOW, Halo3, Bioshock, I had seen the best Microsoft had to offer. I got it replaced and sold it.
I have been continuing playing PS3 with COD4, MGS4, LBP, GT5P, R2, COD5, Drakes Fortune and am waiting for Killzone 2, Infamous and RE5.
So, In my opinion, your console should stand the test of time and users should not even think will the hardware fail.
PS3 wins for me.
Good article.
The thing you have to read on the comments though is why do some people always critise one console over another. Afraid? Scared that their purchase is a bad choice hence constant slagging of the other one. Usually if you’re happy with something you praise it’s pluses and don’t really care what the other console does. So check out all the sites and see who visits the other most and wonder why? Also go check out the 360/PS3/Wii forums and see who’s happiest just yapping about their favourite console. Then you decide.
I love your theory. It’s totally right on. That is why I’m always looking at these articles that compare the different consoles…. I’m afraid that I made the wrong choice. And your comment just made me figure that out. Why should I care? Why should anyone care? I like my PS3. I have fun with it. That is all that should matter. I’ve been in some heated chat room arguments about what system is better. Now I just feel stupid. I really think that these fanboys deep down inside are arguing for the same reason… they don’t want to be wrong. Thanks for the enlightenment!
I have always been a xbox fanboy ever since it came out. After getting the 360 I was very very very pleased…After 2 years i got the RROD and had to take it back into future shop but luckily with a extended warrranty got one back over the counter. Since then I have purchased a ps3…I am astonished, I play online campaign everything rent all the “big name” titles and play them. One thing I have realized is that with the ps3 if you use light highspeed internet which I happened to come by at one point it still works with virtually unoticable lag, However on the 360 with light highspeed internet it is almost impossible to play wirelessly. My ps3 onli pics up 60% signal due to how far I am from the access point and still offers an amazing gaming experience. Sony didn’t “cheap out” on the accesories on its console while xbox did due to the fact you have to buy a dvd player and a wireless adapter seperate which will cost over 200$ in all to get it equivalent to a simple ps3 console. The game selection is getting very competitive and it is starting to get closer and closer every year between the 2 consoles but yes 360 stil has the better games.TO conclude my reply i must say blu-ray on the ps3 with a bose surround sound system and a LG lcd tv IS AMAZING, I immediately got right into the movie and it was an awesome experience.
A good, and on the whole unbiased, article.
However I must disagree with a few points:
Performance – What you say is true, but it’s worth pointing out that the PS3 was never designed to compete on a GPU level, the concept of the PS3 was to share some of the graphics processing with the Cell (see the E3’05 Cell-only generated graphics demos). I personally don’t think you elaborate enough that Sony and MS took two very different approaches and as such seems a bit misleading. This is also the reason it’s taken so long for multiplatforms to reach parity as it’s easier to develop on the 360′s traditional, PC based, architecture.
Games Selection – as mentioned above the 360′s intrinsic relationship with “Games for Windows” means a 360 exclusive very often means a 360 and PC exclusive, whereas a PS3 exclusive normally means you need a PS3 to play it. This is a very important consideration for PC gamers. In general as you say, 2009 looks far more exciting for PS3 owners, and the development of console MMO’s will be an interesting one.
Online – I can’t speak for the US alone (which at the end of the day is to Microsoft what Japan is to Sony), but globally the sales difference of multiplatform games isn’t all that different and you must remember that if you want to play online on 360 you need a Gold subscription which substantially dents the 360′s online user base (it’s something like 60% of 360 owners online vs 80% of PS3 owners, I think?). One could go as far as to say more people may be playing on the PSN than Live outside the US. A nod to other regions would be nice here.
New Interface – hardly fair to compare NXE to Home (there’s no @ in it’s name last time I checked), NXE is a massive improvement on the hideous GUI of old, though a cynic could call it the love child of the Wii and PS3 interfaces. But there was nothing wrong with the PS3 XMB to start with and Home was never intended to replace your interface (nor was it ever meant to be a “Second Life” game).
To call Home a flop is a little harsh at this point, and by all accounts inaccurate. Home is an open beta and will take years to fully develop (it’s probably a concept that won’t be truly realised until the PS4). But to judge it on it’s Open BETA which has barely any of it’s features activated (game launching being the main gaming element) is a bit unfair. Also 3.4 Million registrations and around $1.5Million of micro-transactions in it’s first few weeks can hardly be called a flop – in fact Sony are probably delighted with those figures given what Home currently is. It’ll be interesting to see how it develops throughout 2009.
Multimedia/Netflix – again this is a US/Global thing, but since your article does not specify that it is only relevant to US residents I will mention it. Netflix is not available outside of US and in Europe Sony have launched a well-received “Freeview+” addon (Digital Terestrial TV PVR device). Again this could be a selling point for some, especially with the Digital Switchover just months away.
“you are an “achievement whore” you will want a 360.” – Not necessarily so anymore, Trophies make this point moot, and although subjective I find Trophies to be a better alternative thanks to the graded level of achievements, platinum game trophy, and from this year Home integration.
As you say though there is no winner, and it is way too early to call one (despite how much MS like to try). It will be 2011 before we will truly be able to crown a victor. Most of the arguments as you say are very subjective, especially when it comes to exclusive content each having their own highlights. It would be easy to spin this article in either direction and write equally compelling pro-360 or pro-PS3 articles.
Not to mention the way that the PS3 games are programmed is all vastly new to software builders. They are having to relearn a whole new and different code. The PS3 is the first of its kind it needs time you shall see that when programers figure this out the graphics the depth of game play will be taken to a whole new level.
Well…i m in a wierd situation. I own a ps3, but i m thinking should i but a 360???is it worth it??? your article helped me alot? but the reason i want to buy a 360 is so that i can but pirated games(or download them), as they are cheap. Half of my pocket money goes in buying a game of ps3 everymonth. so i just wanted to ask. is what i am doing rite???
I would’nt realy call it “Wrong” as such, its sort of bad as its kind of stealing, but if ur going to Mod ur Xbox a MUST is that u own 2 Xbox’s cus is u get caugh with a xbox thats moded they banned the xboxx’s IP address so u cnt use it for xbox live EVER again, that or u can get an Xbox from Japan as the ppl who check ur regions xbox’s for mods wont beable to understand its coding!
Hope i helped =)
nice article. learned some things about the 360. i love my PS3 as a media center .. storing pics and family vids over my home network. friends really like it when i use it as a high def “picture gallery” with music in the background. it plays almost every kinds vid i throw at it. ii is generally used in my house about 50% gaming and 50% as a media center. LOVE the ability to easily upgrade the drive.
but .. yeah .. good article. they are both very nice consoles. i, personally, have zero use for the Wii… just as a side note. it’s just not a robust console.
Great article, I agree that neither is a hands down winner. According to Nielsen PS2 was the most played console of 2008, and Wii though underpowered and lacking HD or many good games, outsold both (even with 360 at the same price). I have a PS3 and Netflix and am kind of jealous of the 360 support – it’s unlikely to come to PS3 since Netflix choose to implement using Microsoft technology (Silverlight). On the Multimedia front PS3 now supports Flash 9, improved fullscreen access now, so you can view content from hulu and other flash based websites.
Hmmm… not so sure about the “unbiased” claim. No mention of buying bateries for your wireless 360 controller or $50 for xbox live or the lack of wifi in the price section? For someone who wants to play games online without an ethernet cable in the living room, that’s $170 of “unbiased” (purely accidental I’m sure) ommissions.
Interesting that your criteria for bolding a high quality game appears to be 89; giving the 360 a 3 to 2 advantage. Not a nice round 90 (2 to 2 tie) or 85 (PS3 a 5 to 3 advantage). Not 88 (3 to 3 tie), but 89.
For the most part, nice article and mostly fair. I think if you were honest, you’d admit that you’re having a hard time hiding your true preference. Fine. Maybe just lighten up on all the unbiased talk.
@Kell:
About buying batteries, I never brought that up because it was never an issue for me. I have several high capacity AA batteries that I use for all my devices, including the 360 and Wii. About XBOX Live, I did mention that “you get what you pay for”. You do have a point about WiFi though. I will amend the article. There was no intention to purposefully ignore that point in order to make the XBOX 360 appear favorable. My intention with this article is to be completely unbiased, and if I missed some facts, it was because of my own errors, not a bias.
Regarding the “bold” games, those have nothing to do with the gamerankings scores, but rather my own research of the year-end GOTY awards given by various sites. I bolded games that were considered GOTY contenders, regardless of their scores. There was no intention to make it look like there were more GOTY contenders on the XBOX 360. It was just a fact that was discovered with my research. There was no bias there.
Again, I just want to make clear that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for me state my preference for one console over the other, or to show a bias towards one. If you just stop and think about it, what do I have to gain from favoring the XBOX 360? That they are my “team” and that I “won”? That is utterly pointless, and defeats my purpose for writing this article.
My whole reason for writing these articles is to stand out from biased crap you see in forums and such. That is the whole point for writing it. My articles stand out from the rest, and my site gets acknowledgement and traffic because of it.
Thanks again for bringing up your thoughts in a civilized manner, you wouldn’t believe the shit people have been writing (no really, you wouldn’t…)
And for the record, I do prefer to play on the PS3, for the exact reasons I mentioned. I have a launch 360, and mostly I am afraid of using it for fear of the seemingly inevitable RROD.
I really like this article series but I’m looking for some advice from others.
Gaming, I much prefer multiplayer on the net, so that would obviously point towards an X360.
However, I watch quite a lot of movies as well and want a Blu-Ray player, so that points towards a nice quiet non-red-lining PS3.
I am generally leaning towards Sony as I still have affection for my old PS1. However, I am concerned that the console is frustrating to play online on. I suppose my real queries are: how bad in your experience is the PS3 online gaming, particularly the ingame chatting with fellow gamers for the PS3, and is there a dearth of players for the bigger PS3 titles?.
Pass on your experiences please.
Thanks in advance.
the ps3 is still the best even for online. how wants to spend more money for something you already have.(paying for online service for 360)playstation it’s free!!plus how wants to chat went play a game. that drives me nuts.just play the game as its intened to be played.no cheating get a PS3!!
I’d go with the 360 pro and a dedicated Bluray player, like the sony bdp 350. That way you’ll be able to use a dedicated remote control & have HD audio bitstream output if you are looking to get a HD audio capable receiver in the future.The latest gen of 360s are no louder than the PS3 & just as reliable.
Now, that’s what Microsoft makes you believe every single time, and they always got you by the balls….
[...]If Killzone 2 is any indication, it looks like PS3’s Cell architecture is finally beginning to flex its muscle.[...]
Unbiased? Pfeh. I can tell you that you favor the PS3 from this line alone.
Killzone 2 is the best-looking game out there because it isn’t out there yet. Killzone 2 has been imaginary since it debuted in 2005. In 2005 it was a CGI mock-up that everyone believed. Even last year, the Killzone devs were still using graphical cheats (adjusting lighting in post-production) to make the game look better than it does (with no limit to the Sony fans scrambling to say “oh it looks even BETTER than the faked screens! really!”).
Even now, there’s massive evidence that Killzone still doesn’t look as good as everyone thinks. Too many of the screenshots released show a washed-out palette of gray that’s really underwhelming, but not to worry! The devs claim the game looks a lot better than this in action- it’s just those silly screenshots not doing it justice. And we’re working on the fourth year in a row of this crap.
You’ve bought into Sony’s completely lacking PR nonsense, and that’s why you own the console you do. 360′s games still look just as good as their PS3 counterparts, if not better, in virtually all cases. They have since launch, they do now, and they will continue to in the future.
And for God’s sake- FOLDING@HOME is a reason to own a console? Running Linux on a console is valuable to who? You’re obviously working very, very hard to make the PS3 come out ahead in this comparison. Please stop with the unbiased thing.
Oh my god dude… what’s with the angry tone? The author said it is all subjective. And it is. You have your opinion the other guy has his. How can you say that this article did not favor the Xbox? Not from opinion, but from the cold hard facts. (And I’m a PS3 guy!) Why are you so worked up about the use of the word “unbiased”? Read the article again. The author took the facts and put them out there for all to see. The whole point of the article was to allow the reader to make up there own mind, not lead them in any particular direction. The author has done a fantastic job doing this. You are the one biased, not the author!
The only true way to really know is to own both. I have owned the 360 since day one. And it has been great. Mind you it has RRoD on me twice. But its not as painful as people make it seem. You send it off and its back in a week. Not a big deal. Some gamers just hate to take a small break I guess. It has all been worth it to play the exclusives online like Gears, CoD and Halo.
I picked up the 80 gig MGS4 PS3 when it came out. And so far I have really only played a few great game like Drake’s and MGS4.I can’t wait to check KillZone2! But I have watched lots of great Blu-Ray movies. I would have to say that whats almost more impressive than Blu-Ray is how good the PS3 upconverts reg. DVD’s. They look AMAZING!! I really like the memory card slots in my PS3 it organizes pictures and videos so nicely very,very cool! As off today if your a gamer get the 360 if your a movie buff and a rec. gamer get the PS3. Good luck!!!!!!!!!!
Great analysis – for the 3rd time!
I got my PS3 on launch day and went from excited to fanboy to unsure. Reading all 3 articles I do get the sense that the XBOX does edge it when you look at things line by line, but like you, I just prefer the way the PS3 works.
Who knows what the future brings for these two consoles but this article should be posted across every gaming site as it is the most well-balanced, objective critique I’ve come across on the web. Well done matey, thanks & keep up the good work!!!
@Eugene
Depends on how you like to play online. Playing games online with PS3 works just fine if what you want to do is play the game and chat with a friend who is in the game.
Party invites, voice chat options are not as robust. On my PS3 I can’t invite a buddy who’s playing littlebigplanet into my unreal tournament deathmatch. Where on live, I can play Halo and actually talk to my friend who’s playing CoD. Doesn’t matter much to me but might to you.
personally eugene
I would go for ps3. I have not come across any of them breaking down compared to a xbox 360 i had 8 mates who had the rrop. I mean dont you just want to enjoy the game without fears of it screwing up. or your disks getting grinded from shitty disk drives
Not to mention online play on ps3 is good i mean when i play im surprised that its not laggy it works fine on standard broadband. plus there is heaps of good games to play like resistance, killzone and soon ff13.
really its your choice but i faver the ps3 because when u buy it everything is included and it has the lowest possible rate of breakdown
“On my PS3 I can’t invite a buddy who’s playing littlebigplanet into my unreal tournament deathmatch” As i have a 360 and a PS3, i would say if im playing LBP and then my mate invites me to another game, it would kind of piss me off, if your playing a game, you playing it for a reason, not to wait for someone to invite you to another game!
“Where on live, I can play Halo and actually talk to my friend who’s playing CoD”
This would annoy me as well. I hate people talking about shit all in-game. Quite annoying, and the fact that your trying to concerntrate on a game not what the other person is talking about.
“Looks like Killzone 2 is using cells arch ect”
That is biased in a sence, but i have to disagree there, in Reviews and comments from Dev’s they said that it was only using around 49-55% of the Cell and the RSX.
People say that the Xenos is more powerful, i would have to disagree strongly with that, Because of the Arch that the Cell and the RSX works with is quite amazing. The Cell has its good at Rendering the Triangles for the 3D images because of it’s speed. But it isn’t so good at rendering the Shaders. So the pipelines were set out different, the RSX tells the dimentions of the Triangles ect and the Cell dedicates 1-2 Synergistic Processing element to it and it computes them, then sends it down the pipeline to the RSX and then the RSX applies the shaders and textures, then sends it back to the cell for a bit more work and then it is sent back again to be put on the screen. When people say The Xenos is more powerful, it is true to a certain extent, because the Xenos can do triangle computing ect, and the RSX can’t, but they NAILED that problem with the Cell, making it faster doing it and, while the cell is processing the Triangles, the RSX is always appling Shaders, lights and textures. So they are always at work, if you have ever seen WARHAWK, and you have seen the Draw Distances, you would be know what i mean, it computes them At load. It CHEWS through it easily. If WarHawk was on the 360, it wouldn’t have such a draw distance constantly.
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Eugine
I owned a 360, but now have a ps3. I haven’t noticed any difference at all as far as online play is concerned. Also, the ps3′s bluray drive is god quality, and from what I have read, the most supported bluray system.
I do have to say that I totally miss the amount of downloadable games for the xbox 360.
hope that helped
Good article. Congratulations.
I prefer the ps3 it has a great amount of games, free online, blu ray and much more its alot more than a gaming machine.
I own all systems so it is not being a ‘fanboy’ or any such thing.
To top all this 360 is more expensive if you add all the add ons, xbox live,wireless connector ect…
360 fanboys just get use to it ps3 will dominate 2009 and you have nothing to show for it.
Don’t even kidd yourself DLC “haha” really are you kidding me i would rather play new games than old ones with new maps.
Also blu ray does make a difference it takes up less discs and it does make things look better people are still getting use to it.
On top of that multiplatform games always pretty much look the same look at past gens they are identical who cares.
It’s the exclusives that people care about and they’re are alot more and alot more better ones on ps3.
I want you 360 fanboys to tell me 3 top frachises on your machine that don’t have halo and gears…… is your brain hurting lol jk
Further more playstation 3 has updates all the time that actually do something to improve the experiance.
That new xbox live experiance doesn’t count because it is a rip off of mii’s and cover flow from your ipod. Did it really add anything new other than netflix which is only in america???
The netflix isnt even as good as it is on your computer you can get more from there.
The funniest thing is you can’t get sony movies on there like dark knight or anything.
Then to top it all off the ps3 exclusives are starting and if they arnt already will be better looking, have better gameplay and there will be more only on ps3.
Further more PS3 wins it doesn’t have a terrible failure rate like the xbox i have already been through 2 xbox 360′s
Also why all the playstation 3 hate if it wasn’t for sony there would be no hardcore market and we would still be playing games like mario and sonic thinking they are hardcore. But no resistance, gears, metal gear, killzone,god of war ect.. games like that are hardcore.
360 is good and all but it is just a cheap pc for people that cannot afford one.
One more thing playstation and even nintendo keep there games exclusive to that platform they don’t ship it off to pc a few months later.
So get over buyers regret and go buy a ps3 and try it before judging it.
Speaking of fanboy… You are the type of biased Carl was talking about.
Correction: “Without Sony”;
We would all be playing the hardcore games on pc and the pc market would be huge! And the online experience would be better! and free in almost every case! and everyone would have good keyboard and mouse skills! and this would make people more productive with computers in their workplace! and the world would be a better place!
This comment was entirely written for fun. So don’t take it to seriously and look for problems with everything i say.
@ the first kyle
shut up please.
This was a great comparison. I like to see a story that doesn’t bash either system. Of course, I am a sony fanboy and belive the ps3 is far superior. There are actual exlusives(OMG!) scheduled for this year unlike the 360. I can also rely on my ps3 to last years after the next system (NO Red Rings of Death!). Lastly, nothing is better than watching my Blu-Ray movies (like The Dark Night) at night on my HDTV. But besides my opinion, this is a great article. It’s very informative and unbised. Great job Carl! :)
I just like my ps3 haha and nice article.
My xbox 360 just RROD’D on me yesterday. I have Gears 2, GTA IV, Halo 3, and a bunch of other great games. But i’ve already really gotten everything out of them i expected, which is a great thing. Now im the kind of person who really like’s playing online with friends and all that, and co-op campaign. I dont favor for either the 360 or the ps3, but i’ve been deciding if i should get a ps3 or not, and i was going to just get my xbox repaired and trade it into GS or something and save the rest for the ps3. i mean dont get me wrong, i love xbox, but got everything out of it i wanted. Do you guys thing it’s a good idea?
I actually love home way more than NXE. For me, NXE is kinda a rip-off of XMB (which, most Xbot/journalists hated before NXE came out), but w/e, it works well and all that. And NXE also ripped off Miis with a small scale Home style of networking (I think everyone knows what i’m talking about). Home is actually really awesome. I’ve made at least 10 friends on it whom I would’ve never talked to otherwise. Home isn’t a place full of zombies. Home is actually quite populated with a lot of people just chatting it up. It really is awesome. However, Home can be improved a lot like I’d love to see some more places and have a lot more events, then it’d be perfect.
great article i just found out about this site but i can already tell that some of my time is going to be spent here. dont judge me but i dont care that much about the details of all the tech (mostly because i dont get what they do or help) but from a 13 yr old stand point i have to go with the ps3. idk why but i just luv sony. i own every ps product .i dont own an xbox so maybe i dont have to much knowledge about its features but for what i do know about its gameplay graphics ps3 is slightly better.
Very nice read on all three counts. Personally I gave up fighting for the “better” system long ago so now I just buy them all.
As you say all have Pros and Cons. Also, I understand your reasons for not including the Wii as a direct “vs” on the PS3 or 360, but even a “hardcore” gamer like myself can see the Pros of the Wii as well.
360 Elite, 60GB PS3 and Wii owner.
@ Eugene
Sony online really isn’t as bad as people make out – it does it’s job and does it well IMO. It may not have a few extra bells and whistles that XBoxLIVE has with it’s “walled garden” approach, but if you play online games on PC you won’t be disappointed with the PS3 online experience.
The 360 version is a bit like having AOL and using AOL’s own internet software, vs the PS3 being like using another provider and Firefox/Outlook.
The AOL experience may seem more unified and you have shortlinks to websites and can seamlessly move from webpages to e-mail etc. But that doesn’t mean using Firefox and Outlook give you a worse experience – you just have to do things a longer way round and it’s not quite as integrated. But like the Firefox addons, the PS3 approach can allow you to have a more flexible experience.
You put in a game disc, you click online, you play that game online, end of story – no logging in, no separate accounts (the only exception being MGS4 for some strange reason). It’s all very simple. Sure you will have to send an instant message to a friend to tell them to join you, and that friend will then have to try and find you online, but that’s no different to PC online gaming. Most games with a strong online element design their own interface anyway, that often includes integration of your friends list. Whereas I assume XboxLIVE is the exact same interface in each game.
All the main things you would want to do online are in the PS3, and it will keep evolving and updating. The 360 version is more polished, but then you would expect that from a subscription service from the World’s largest software company…
Also it is still the best Blu-ray out for that price IMO. The upgradability is great and the Java-games and Online elements are substantially faster/smoother on the PS3 thanks to the Cell – some cheaper standalone players have to wait 5 minutes to even load the menu screens!
@ calderra
That was a bit of a fanboy outburst wasn’t it? I thought they weren’t allowed on these comments?
You clearly have either not read any of the critic previews, seen any of the IN-GAME footage, played the beta/demos, or you are just ignoring them all in your public display of Xbox fanboyism.
As much as you Xbots would like it to be imaginary, KillZone 2 is very real and is graphically stunning. If gameplay matches the graphics then it will be a surefire hit, and possibly already a GOTY contender.
Also I would say it has reached about 99% of the E3 ’05 TARGET RENDER – target render meaning what they will think it will look like when it’s finished – and it does, so the use of it was perfectly justifiable!
It amazes me how some Xbots would miss out on a great game because it’s on PS3 because they would sooner pretend all PS3 games are rubbish and the 360 is brilliant – I bet you’re the type to go to Metacritic and score 360 games 10 and PS3 games 1 even if you have never played/seen them!
Also there has only been one level/area publicly shown of KZ2 so far, and it’s already been confirmed that other areas are less grey. I take it you hated Gears of War II for the same reason then? No? Thought not…
If anyone is buying into media/PR hype it’s you buying into Microsoft’s spin (apropriate they named it the 360 when you think about it!). Sony’s PR is frankly quite crap, look at how many Xbox ads you see compared to PS3 ads. I bet far more 360′s have been sold on the back of PR spin than PS3′s have…
IVE READ ALL 3 ARTICLES!Besides the rrod the 360 would be on top because true gamers wouldn’t mind paying for the extras.I recently played both and am thinking of buying either. I like the graphics and controls on the 360 it feels more comfortable for long term play. I own a PSP and it would be great to have a PS3. Its just too expensive for me.I will keep reading comparisons but Im leaning towards the 360. Great articles very informative it help me ALOT!
Nice update. Consider me a happy camper. I’m going to stick by my original point however. We all have a bias and it’s pretty tough to hide it. Try as I might, if you make me talk about shooters, I’ll inevitably give you the impression that Halo is my favorite.. because it is. I’ll also steer you towards a PS3, because I play mine twice as much as my 360. You’ve got a pretty good collection of facts here though.
Even though the 360′s relatively cheaper than the PS3, I find myself a bit afraid of buying this console because of this 3 Red Rings problem…
Any updates on that?
Once again man GREAT JOB! You touch on every issue that needs to be touched on. Personally I enjoy the 360 because I play online and there our more exclusives (as each of your articles has proven..good ones at that) I also own a PS3 and love LBP and MGS4 KZ2 also looks good…but I am crossing my fingers…remember HAZE? 10/10 5/5 GOTY Korn made a song for it!! ROAR OMG AMAZING!! comes out…gets a 4/10 etc..goes from 59.99 to 29.99 in like a month. Hoping the samething doesn’t happen. It seems that the #er 1 problem PS3 fans have with the XBOX 360 is RROD..I got it over a year ago…I went one week without my xbox and got a 1 month XBL card…+3 years warrenty that covers A LOT of stuff (aka 100 dollar warrent with something of Sony or atleast around that price)Its also funny that PS3 fans say they do it for the Blu ray and because their not gamers but than why would a week without your system bother you? OH NO RROD I cant play for 1 week..dun dun dun Microsoft=Sux? that does not make sense. To be honest I work at a video game store now Play N Trade was also a GameStop manager for a LONG time I have been around the block when it comes to seeing WHAT is brought in..and just because your 2-3 friends don’t have problems with their ps3 doesnt mean it is perfect I do see more xbox 360 repairs (I also do repairs and the RROD is a 25 min fix..MAX!) the PS3 does have faulty disc players we get about 1 ps3 in for fixing to like 4 xboxs so the ration is for every ps3 we get 4 xboxs which is not A HUGE GAP and I hate to bring this up but the ps3 blu ray player and A REAL blu ray player are 2 different things. There is a BIG difference…I have a 42 inch 1080p LCD LG and have a PS3 like i said..The picture is great but one of my friends who has the SAME tv (bought it the same day) has a xbox 360 and just bought a blu ray player..let me tell you…there is a difference..and before you bother me with DIFFERENT CABLES??? we both had HDMI cables…But regardless of all that I 100% agree that the xbox 360 is winning these past few years…and I will also agree that I foresee the ps3 doing amazing 2010+ but that is “coming soon” and this article is as of right now. The last few articles all have said the samething…So who knows xbox 1080 comes out or something KRAZY and who knows…of course a new xbox is on its way the xbox ulimate (I belive the graphics are the same but ADDs a lot of stuff to it kind of like going from arcade to elite). but my point is I have both…I enjoy both…both are good I have people in my store all the time saying I enjoy the ps3 controller better..what AM I going to say NO YOU DO NOT!! and slap them in the face…or a xbox fan say That there are no good games on the PS3! When there is…It comes down to what you enjoy does it matter if the 360 is winning? as long as you enjoy your system does it really matter? his conclusion sumed it up pretty good…Well keep up the good work and look forward to reading more replys from people!
Hey ComadrSheppard, any news on RROD-related problems on the XBox 360 Jasper SKUs yet? I’m still thinking if i’d buy a 360… :-<
I OWN A PS3 80 GIG AND THE 360 20 GIG. I MAINLY PLAY THE 360. HOWEVER I AM LOOKING FORAWD TO KILLZONE 2 GT5 AND UNCHARTED 2. THIS WAS A GREAT UPDATE TO YOUR ARTICLE. IT WAS FAIR, AND ITS GOOD TO SEE SOMEONE IS CAPABLE OF BEING FAIR. IVE HAD THE 360 FIRST AND MY WIFE WANTED A BLU RAY PLAYER FOR CHRISTMAS, SO I GOT HER A PS3. ( THAT USING YOUR HEAD ).
@ REIN
Yes the problem has been fixed with the falcon chip. They also lowered the wats (I believe)from 203 to 175 (Hence why there are two different power cords for the 360) So if you go into a store now and buy one odds of getting a RROD is like 1/1000000 It was from Feb 2008 and on the systems would be “FINE” I am not 100% that there arnt problems but from what I see and read there has not been many, if any, cases of RROD so I would not let that stop you + I do not see why not having your system for about a week would stop you from buying a system sounds Lazy to me or something lol OH great it broke well thats that. Funny thing is…their are people who do that…the system breaks and they do nothing about it till like 2 years later…I really see that all the time..lol But anyway fear of the RROD sound no affect you…just look on the box on the back should say 175w if it is 203 that means 99% chance you will get the RROD I have 2 xboxs and the one that had RROD I have had since lanuch (which is what 3 years almost) I have had 0 problems with it since RROD so hmm 1 week out of 3 years…is that really a long time? like really can you honestly say 1 week without a system is the end of the world? BUY a system for the GAMES really nothing more….it is a VIDEO GAME System if your a hardcore MGS fan buy the ps3 if you loved the books and the games buy HALO…OR best is to buy both…buy a broken ps3 for 100 bucks and fix or buy a broken xbox for 30 bucks and fix it..Youtube it…also look at all the cool things you can do to an XBOX 360 wish i could post pictures to show you what mine looks like….lets just say it lights up the room in amazing colors!
@ComadrSheppard
Learned a lot from that! Thanks for the tip!
Oh BTW, I read this from someone:
“So exactly 3 Years and 9 days later, they came out with, Xbox 360 1.0!
The version it should have f**king been in the first place!”
LOL just wanted to share! hahaa
COMANDR SHEPPERD, THE PS3 IS A GREAT BLU RAY PLAYER. YOUR SETTINGS COULD BE OFF. GO TO YOU TUBE AND SEARCH PS3 BLU RAY SETTINGS. I HAVE A 1080 P 120 HTZ LCD 52″ I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BETTER PICTURE ANYWHERE. YOU HAVE TO TWEEK YOUR SETTINGS. BUT KEEP PLAYING THAT 360 BECAUSE IN MY OPINION ITS THE BETTER CONSOLE FOR GAMES, AND ISNT THAT WHAT A CONSOLE IS FOR. LOL
@Dingle Berry Bandit
Are you really……………………………………………………………………… a bandit? :p
I’m speaking as a consumer, but i really have to share the reality of gaming consoles here in my country…
When the PS2 arrived here, the first question among gamers was “what’s the price?” but unlike gamers from other countries, the next question would automatically be “are there any pirated games yet?” So yes, gaming here is primarily fueled by piracy. A ps2 game for example, would sell for about 2 dollars a piece. And sometimes, it could get even lower. I know, you guys don’t have to conjure up a 300++ word sermon about piracy — i know (and accept) that it really is bad. But then, that’s the reality here — there are no safeguards against piracy. So anyway, the ps3 doesn’t have any pirated games yet, but however, i believe the 360 already has its own share of pirated copies. And like i said before, these copies sell even cheaper than a dirty hooker. So what’s my point? Nothing really. Just wanted to share some thoughts. :p
good job man!!
I read all three of your articles and
it really helped me to decide which console to buy..
thanks again…
I loved the article and loved the not so bias way you put it i still believe xbox owns hard core
I feel that xbox 360 is better as it is more stabe in the market. The PS3 is not adapted to sell well in Asia as most of the gamers dont want a sensitive expensive console. They will play better games with ok-ok graphics rather than good games with high resolution graphics. Also, PS3 does not perform as good as Xbox 360. So why pay for hassle with PS3.
Great articles. I would actually like to put dead space to the test on both systems (I have both). my 360 is 1080P as well as ps3 on a 61 inch hdtv. Every flaw in graphics shows up on my TV and I have a hard time believing that the 360 can do graphics that good. I also have a choppier experience with my 360 games such as GOW2 and mass effect especially. Nothing near as bad with the ps3… That makes me curious. Are the performance quality specs assumed just because hypothetically the hardware should not perform as well. I have had the opposite experience and have had a much better time with the ps3. I also have a couple friends and when we buy online games together (for multiplayer/clan/coop) we get it on ps3 if possible. Either way maybe I can get my hands on a copy of dead space for 360 and do a screenshot/fps comparison (dvr linux box is my best friend) and post results. If 360 can hit the crisp lighting/quality and smoothness in framerate the ps3 does on deadspace then I underestimated that system. I think it’s a good example of the maturing ps3′s capabilities compared to it’s early disasters that clearly the 360 was the victor (need for speed carbon as well as a couple others).
@ chris
I’ve usually tended to notice the 360 delivering better lighting effects, and more often than not better graphics and framerate in general. That said, it seems fairly high to me on both systems, especially when a person bothers to patch their games regularly. Bioshock and The Orange Box on PS3 used to make me wince terribly, now they’re almost up to par with their 360 brethren.
Personally, I tend to prefer my 360 as a games machine due to the online experience and larger library of games, and my PS3 is basically a DVD player (my TV ain’t big enough for bluray to make any real difference over DVDs, if anything bluray subtitles damage my eyes ;)) which I also use to play exclusives such as LittleBigPlanet and hopefully Disgaia 3 if or when it comes out in Australia. I’ll be annoyed if I have to import…
I do enjoy using the PS3 as a Linux test box though. Means I can test out all the features of a distro without actually installing it on a PC I might use it on later, with the advantage of not being a Live CD which isn’t as good an indication of the Distro as I’d like it to be.
And the Wii wins in terms of downloadable games for me. Only due to Virtual Console and all those classics… *drools* Christ I wish I could play games off SD card…
The netflix thing is not quite as great as it sounds.
I subscribe to netflix now at first I was very excited to hear that i could stream movies onto my PC. As it turns out you can only stream “some” movies. usually older ones. definatly not any new releases. I was very disappointed by this. It seems that these are the same movies that you can stream to the 360.
Your article says “users have access to over 100,000 titles”. This is completely untrue. Netflix has that many available on DVD but there are only about 12,000 available for download. Netflix advertising is very misleading and it seems that you have fallen for the same hoax that I did when I subscribed to netflix.
You can store AVI’s on the 360 (kinda), just need to put them on an external usb harddisk plugged into the usb port….
I have a PS3 – one thing I haven’t seen mentioned here is that it’s pretty hard to read some text on the screen if you don’t have a high def TV. I had a standard def 24″ LCD and changed to a 37″ high def – the difference is staggering.
One other thing I wonder is if the mainstream games companies will really optimise games for either console, or just make a middle of the road game that will work ok on both?
I’m thinking as I got the impression Square Enix was gonna optimise Final Fantasy XIII for each console, and I have seen many ports that have likely suffered from being ported, it’ll really depend on the game company in question.
Hopefully as time goes by, enough people will optimise their games for different platforms, that games that don’t will be seen as sub-standard encouraging others to optimise games. We can only hope. :D
To me I definitely think the PS3 has the Xbox 360 beat for upcoming titles this year, what with Killzone 2, and the biggest one to me that was not mentioned which of course is DC Universe Online.
Great articles. And for me as an online gamer, I would choose an Xbox 360. Due to the fact it has much better support, and it’s such good value now. In two more years, I can imagine the PS3 will really see some of its potential. But don’t forget this, in 2 years time Microsoft will most likely be right around the corner with a brand-new console (with full backwards compatibility). On average it’s been a 5-year cycle for new consoles. Which by then I think it may just be a little too late for Sony to catch up. And Microsoft can only improved on what it’s got so far.
I’ve thought the same thing for some time. By the time the PS3 has matured enough to be called, without a doubt, ‘better’ than the 360, M$ will have shown off the next XBox at a future E3 or CES. But recent reading has shown that the economy is not ready for a new console this soon. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/10/no-new-xbox-console-in-microsofts-future/
Damn economy. I for one, can’t wait for the future in gaming, and reading that news makes me feel like I should now be on some anti-depressant meds.
By the time 2010 comes around, 4 gigs system memory and 1 gig video memory will be considered puny in PC specs, and there’s no reason future consoles should not contain at least that. Heck, last month I purchased 8 gigs of DDR2 OCZ 1066MHz for $180, and the price keeps dropping! Lack of texture memory cripples current development. Game developers are constantly tweaking, and optimizing more than they should have to, to get games to play on consoles. 256MB! That’s all they get (you could argue that the 360 can go over that, if the system doesn’t need all of the other 256). There’s less than 50 games total on both the 360 and PS3, that are true 1080p. Halo, for example, is something like 640p, and the 360 upscales it to 1080p. What’s listed on the back of the game is just what it is capable of sending to the TV, not what is being rendered by the GPU. I wish the developers were given more, but 3-5 years ago, memory wasn’t as cheap and neither were GPUs.
I also believe disks will be a thing of the past by the next gen, yes, including Blu-Ray. Solid state storage has come a long way since the first memory sticks. You can currently store 8 gigs on something smaller than your pinkie finger nail. Still spendy compared to a DVD disk, and can’t be quickly stamped like a DVD or Blu-Ray. But in 2-4 years time, solid state could easily trump the storage, speed, and cost of production compared to Blu-Ray. Access times alone would be reason enough for the switch.
I’ve noticed that there has been a lot of people quick to defend the PS3 in this thread and not many Xbox fans defending their console. Do you think that the Xbox fans are too busy playing in their Xbox? I personally think that Xbox actually does quite a good job of selling itself as what its supposed to be – a ‘games console’, so maybe thats it?
Before anyone says, I actually own both. Xbox is a better ‘games console’ – in my opinion.
You prove yourself wrong about xbox fans being too busy playing. You have both consoles and you still managed to defend it.
Everyone knows a true gamer has a few televisions/monitors on either side of their PC screen, possibly networked. Hell, true gamers like myself can barely resist the urge to crawl into a foetal position when not in direct contact with a keyboard/mouse combo or game controller. IT’S UNNATURAL MAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
The only other safe place is your local game store. :)
Also, I know I’ve adapted to being able to use a keyboard for typing with my feet. I recommend a cheap one with large keys. It takes a bit longer to reply but means you don’t need to stop playing your games. But stick to cheap keyboards for feet as they tend to get messed up fairly quickly.
Yeaps…
Why does anybody need to defend any system? This is soooooo ridiculous. They are both good systems. That’s a fact. All this nit-picking is opinion. OPINION!!! Please look this word up in the dictionary.
And just as a side note– keyboards for your feet is the wave of the future!! The internet is 50% porn and 50% useless and absurd fanboy arguments! Rock on!
I have a 360 because of the better online support, however its just got RRoD and so have lots of poeple’s I know. I’m going to buy a PS3 and repair/sell me 360, because 360s are just too unreliable and microsoft products are generally buggy and insecure, hence why I removed Vista from me laptop.
Love the article and agree with the decision. Both are great consoles. I personally like the Xbox 360 more because of the online play and the Xbox live marketplace. As far as games go, both have pretty much the same game catalog. The ps3 has its big 3: Little Big Planet, MGS4 and Killzone 2 and Xbox has: Halo3, Gears of War 2, Fable 2 and Left 4 Dead.
Hi,
Very nice article that you have wrote. It does gives us an idea, which console to buy. I have one question for you. I have nothing against both the company’s but if PS3 is pricey as compared to X box, they why? There has to be something which made PS3 pricey as compared to X box.
Reply me soon.
Regards,
Tony Jacob.
Great article. I’ve enjoyed the reading. I’m gonna throw in my experience with the 2 consoles. Long read, so bare with me.
My XBox 360 experience:
I’ve owned my 360 since launch and had 1 RROD when I decided to locate my 360 on the shelf above my incredibly hot ONKYO 600 watt receiver 8 months ago. Stupid move on my part. But I fixed it myself in 30 minutes, and it hasn’t complained since. It has gone through countless hours of game play, and easily payed for itself. I also prefer the 360 controllers, as I get wrist pain from the PS3 controller. But I have friends where the opposite is true. The D pad on the 360 does blow, big time. I can’t count how many times I’ve selected the wrong weapon in Fallout 3 because of it.
The NetFlix on the 360 was a disappointment at first, but last Saturday I watched Superbad on it, which you couldn’t at NXE launch, and I feel like they’ve redeemed themselves. The NetFlix license rights issues seem to be cleared up for those who are wondering. And yes, this article needs a correction, only 12,000 titles are available for stream (not 100,000), but it was 10,000 at NXE launch, and if it keeps growing at that pace there will be a nice library of flix to watch, many of which look better than DVD, but not quite 720p (close). But it is free since I already have Gold and NetFlix, so I can’t complain. What they are missing is an actual application that will take you to a NetFlix library, to add items to your cue through the XBox, instead of jumping onto a PC to do it.
Downloading updates and game content is also about 25-50% faster on the 360 than the PS3, sometimes more, in my case anyway (and both are hard wired for those about to open their mouths).
I do have a problem, about once a month, where the controller somehow becomes ‘disconnected’, and reconnects itself a few seconds later. It hasn’t happened when playing online yet, but usually during long RPG gameplay (12+ hours). Luckily the game will pause when this happens.
The marketplace in NXE is where the XBox really shines. Everything is easy to read, easy to navigate, and there isn’t the unnecessary navigating like PSN. Nor do you have to open an application to enter the store. Everything is all linked together. People can rip on M$ all they want, but the OS of the XBox is about as efficient as you can get with very little overhead. Something the software engineers at Sony thought little about. The old blade system had lots of lag, and sometimes it would take a minute to refresh my arcade library. Now it’s instant. Navigating in NXE is very fluid, it feels like a completely different console than how the 360 started, and I have to give props to the software engineers responsible. Installing to the hard drive is a very cool addition. Many have known about the DVD drive issues in the 360. When the heat builds up, and after long gameplay, disc errors will occur, telling you that you have a dirty disc. This happened to me a few times in Fallout 3, and at least 6 times in Oblivion. Once I installed it to the HDD, I’ve only froze once, out of the 120+ hours of Fallout play since installing it to the hard drive. The only problem now is that I only have the 20GB model, and it is nearly full now. Time for a new HDD…
My PS3 experience:
I was waiting for the PS3 to mature into a good gaming system before picking one up. The price had dropped, and it had a few exclusives I wanted to play. So I decided the wait was over and purchased my PS3 with LBP(doh, was delayed) and MGS4 mid 2008. I play a Blu-Ray every now and then when NetFlix has a BR option for a movie. I haven’t purchased a movie since Grandma’s Boy, and don’t see myself buying anything in the future (I rent NetFlix, on Marketplace, and PSN, watching a movie more than once just bores the crap out of me), so Blu-Ray was a partial factor for me getting a PS3. So was the ability to upscale the few DVDs I have. BUT, as I have found out, if you have it hooked up component like I do (receiver and TV restrictions), the PS3 WILL NOT UPSCALE YOUR DVDS! I don’t know why no one ever mentions this as it should factor in for those who do not have a HDMI capable TV, or receiver, but are thinking of getting a PS3 because of its upscaling abilities. Just letting the few component users know so you are not disappointed like I was when finding this out.
The PSN store is cool, but still needs to be massaged. And there’s some simply obvious things that are missing. Try browsing new release movie rentals. When going through games and their addons the icons are so small, you have no idea what they all are until you highlight them or are familiar with the box art or intro screens, and I’m on a 57″ tv. If they increased their size by 50%, it’d be a huge improvement. And why PSN decided to completely separate the full games from the demos is beyond me. Probably because they do not have demos for every game they sell on PSN like M$ does on Marketplace. So some games you must buy to try. Not a good business model for a cautious consumer like me. I prefer to select a game, where then I can choose to download the demo, or the full version as Marketplace does it. Not go looking for it somewhere else. Also, if I like an arcade game demo on the 360, I can purchase it from within the demo, and doesn’t even require another download, the demo is just activated as purchased. Not so on the PS3. Quit the game demo, open up store app, wait, browse back to the title, purchase, download again, install, and then you can play. You can have the demo and purchased arcade game in your games library, kinda stupid no? If they work to get rid of the redundancies, it’ll be a much better place, and cleaner and faster to navigate.
Download speeds and online gameplay on the PS3 also vary, ALOT. And mostly depend on your location. Some people are lucky, and have no problems, but not me and anyone that I know with a PS3. I can’t remember the last time I’ve been dropped from Live because of bandwidth issues, but with the PS3, it’s everytime I play. Even worse if there’s a new release (LBP still has issues, but is at least playable now after peak hours). It is true you do get what you pay for, not counting the console price :(. But for those with no job, or a tight budget, the PS3 would be the choice to go since it’s free, if you want online gameplay that is.
In all honesty, I feel ripped off purchasing my 80 gig PS3. The new PS3′s are the red headed stepchild of the 60gig launch model. I have 2 USB ports on the front, and that is it. No camera memory card slots, and not 4 USB ports, just 2. Granted the 360 does not have those either (it does have 3 USB ports), but I didn’t purchase my XBox thinking that it did. I did not find this out until setting it all up and trying to lift the front cover, where the memory card slots should have been. I wish I would have grabbed the refurbed 60 gig at GameStop, but it was $40 more than the new 80 gig model, now I know why. I do use the PS3 to video chat with a friend who has a PS3, but funny thing is, the XBox USB camera hooked up to the PS3 gave better picture quality than the PS3 camera. Though the PS3 camera has built in microphone. Which I prefer over the crappy, and incredibly uncomfortable Logitech PS3 headset which was needed when using the XBox camera (didn’t want to splurge on a bluetooth headset that gives the same horse crap audio quality). The ability to use peripherals that aren’t proprietary are a plus, but I can’t have my camera, mouse, and keyboard plugged in at the same time because they cut 2 USB ports out, but have to swap out what I need when I need it. Which sucks when I also need to recharge the controller with the included short cable that does not reach my couch. Seriously Sony? you couldn’t give us 2 more feet??? How close do you expect us to play to the TV? Another little thing, the PS3 must stay on for the controller to charge. (The 360 will go into a low power mode until the controller is fully charged, then it will fully power down by itself.) Being able to use the mouse and keyboard is still cool when needed, especially when filling out forms and what not, or leaving messages to friends.
I do kinda regret buying it, but it does not mean I hate it, just a little let down from what I thought I was getting, and now think I should have waited a little longer, especially since there’s another price drop coming this spring. I’ll get the PS3 exclusives when they come out, and use it as much as I can to get my moneys worth, hopefully. But the 360 still gets more use from me, as it fits my lifestyle and is more fledged out, and the games that are available on both just play better on the 360.
The PS3 feels more like a mix between a game console and a PC. If you go into the settings, there’s countless things that you can change and modify. Many of them seem unnecessary for an average gamer, and even though I have no problem with them, they are daunting to look at for a mom or dad who just purchased their kid a PS3, and are given the task of setting it up. Sony should really come up with a simplified setup for those situations, and have an advanced tab for those of us who are confident in changing any and all of the settings. The 360, is much more user friendly for someone who is not confident in changing settings that they are not sure of. It’s designed to work one way, with a couple of audio, video and network settings, and that’s it.
Having a year more to develop is not an excuse anymore, as 2 years later, the PS3 is finally getting to where the XBox was when it was 1 year old. I’m glad I did not get the PS3 when it was $600, but I do wish I had the 60 gig model. Just can’t win. But in the end, it doesn’t matter to me which console wins, as I’m a gaming consumer, and I’ll be purchasing both next gens (and any other new comer?) again, and again. But I do hope I get more use out of my PS3 in the next few years, before the next XBox comes out in <5.
Thanks for writing a very good review. I personally own a PS3, and I was considering to switch to 360 because where I lived I can get xbox game for only about $5 or so… and the PS3 games cost 10-12 times more. But I still like the PS3 better because it’s a very good media center. After reading your review I think it would be much better if I keep my PS3. If I have more money I’ll buy the 360 so I can get the best from both PS3 and 360. Thanks..
Think the reason why the ps3 is more is due to the cost of the blueray drive which sony have invested heavily in, and has built in wifi….. xbox all they way.
NO good games for the PSP this year??? I beg to differ. Have you not played God of War: Chains of Olympus? One of the best games I have ever played and the transition from he consoles onto the PSP is seamless. Other that that, very informative article, and i enjoyed the non-biased take on things.
So in defense of your argument, you came up with ONE good game? Nice one ;)
- Crisis Core
- GTA Vice City
- Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
- MGS Portable Ops
They’re out there, just not as many as a PS3 or 360.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned at all was the upcoming stereoscopic 3D gaming announced by Sony for the PS3 at CES 2009. The ability, in my opinion, for my PS3 to play games in 3D (with 3D glasses, mind you), would be an absolutely incredible experience. This would be a major “leg up” for the PS3. Great article though, I did a lot of research and decided on the PS3 because of the elegance & blu-ray support vs. the loudness of the XBOX 360 and the ENORMOUSLY LARGE and un-integrated power brick for the XBOX 360. That said, the XBOX 360 wins in terms of games IMO, Halo is just one game I loved on the original XBOX that I’m missing on the PS3. (And I like the XBOX controller better, but I love the BLUETOOTH PS3 controller integration… just wish Rock Band 2 took advantage of it.)
If you have ever played a stereoscopic 3D game, you would know what a non-issue this is… Just wait and see, it is NOT fun.
Too bloody right.
Let the headaches and faulty depth perception begin!
But I actually heard somewhere Nvidia was involved and apparently they may have gotten it right this time?
Either way, I like my visuals as they are rather than partially red and blue. lol
Thank you for such a fantastic, non-biased review.
I own a 360 and am not sure whether to get to get a PS3 or not. I got my 360 in about march 2007, and it has RROD’d once, and it is still noisier than anyone’s I know. It is inevitable that it will die someday.
I’m a MASSIVE FF fan, so getting a PS3 would mean I’d be able to get versus XIII if I got a PS3, and there’s probably gonna be a lot more PS FF exclusives than 360 ones. I can’t see SE leaving Sony soon.
Any ideas?
Nice, all the good work that into writing an almost brilliant article and the writer didn’t have the balls to pick a clear winner!
When we read an article like this not only do we want to read all the details we want someone to go out on a limb and actually have an opinion on which console is (all round) better then the other.
We already know “each console has its “pros and cons”.” but we wanna know who is the winner, thats what we want from articles like this!!
This article was amazshing!! I want to buy a console – after all i dont have one :/ – and im still struggling on which one to choose. My sis wants a ps3, and i like xboxx 360 games more then ps3 games, but i heard that while ps3 develops its gonna get better. i ALSO heard that xbox360 game makers are in the hands of xbox 360, so they can’t give the games to ps3… also my friends tell me to buy an xbox360 * cept some *… blue rays important but i also heard that there is bad and good blue rays… so…. im not sure… im just getting to a point to think that gaming is stupid and makes ur brain stupd and u become addicted and all that… anyway, my sis wants a ps3 for – not breaking and for rock band ( which is stupid cuz rockbands also for xbox360 ). She didn’t do ANY RESEARCH!!! ~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!~@.@~!…..
I went to about 500 sites about 360 and ps3 and is still struggling which one i should buy… i played on xbox 360 before, and it was awesome, but i didnt – not even my friends who said that 360 is awesome ) played on the ps3.
I like the controllers on 360 too, there smooth while ps3 controllers are like stick figure type controllers. I dont know which type of gamer i am, but not arcade… i like platforms, i think :[ . ]: and strategy, but all strategy games get boring . halo 3 was aweshom !.! i want to buy a 360, but later its gonna suck, so… its kind of crazy… ill just buy ps3, cuz xbox 720 is gonna come, and im NOT waiting till then – cuz i waited about 3 years for a console!!! – but what if 720 beats ps3 in like a month???
I have an xbox manufacture date july 26 2006. The bad boy is still alive and kickin. Had a couple of disk read errors but other than that she still runs great but the fans are a little loud. I’ve got the 60gb ps3 also. Great machine. I really wish I wouldn’t have paid $600 for the thing though. I love MGS4! And Gears and halo! Its all about the games!
I just cant decide between 360 and PS3 I mean i cant wait for killzone 2 and I love how MSG4 looks but alot of other people have xbox 360 and play online but it cost 60$ A MONTH!!! and 360 has so much add ons!AND i have to worry about rrod. but PS3 has crappy online system. In the end I am a gamer who loves great graphics games online(even thought my computers in the living room and i play my systems in my room so idk how ill get it online)blockbuster titles and having vids and music.
So which system do you think i should get?
I have an xbox 360 and ps3. although i love xbox live, you can catch me playing my PS3 since my xbox 360 is yet again messed up. i love video games in general, therefore i love reliability. I’m still confused as to why microsoft can’t add the type of intercooler the ps3 uses.
Vincantdecide, don’t worry, you can play the 360 online now for $39 a year, not a month, if you buy the voucher from amazon. Plus the RROD is no longer a problem with 360s since the end of last year. Unless you buy a second hand one, it will be as reliable as the PS3. If you have a sufficiently large screen and want Bluray, get the PS3. If you are not too bothered about Bluray and want a tighter online gaming experience get a 360. I wouldn’t worry too much about exclusive titles, because there is pretty much always an equivalent title available on the other format.
Get a powerline network kit to connect your console to your PC. It provides you a more reliable 200mbps connection than wireless, and you don’t have to run any cables as it uses your home power grid. Should cost no more than $50.
Thanks Peter! You helped my decision alot. I dont care about Blu-Ray that much since ill just watch movies on my trusty dvd player ;D now im thinking more along the lines of getting an xbox360 but where would i get a powerline network kit
Sorry about the price for the powerline adapter – I got my currency mixed up. For some reason they are a lot more expensive in the US than they are here in the UK. the D-Link DHP-301 200M kit for example is about £60 in the UK, but about $130 in the US. Strange, for once the UK is cheaper! You can get cheaper ones as well, they just have slower speeds. Try retailers like amazon or if you are in the US, try places like frys or one of the closing Circuit City stores.
I’d just like to point out that the xbox 360 only supports up to 100 mbps. So the the powerline network kit will only give you a maximum speed of 100 mbps, not 200 mbps which is supported by the powerline network kit but not the 360 ethernet port.
Most of these comments (other than the ones complimenting the author) are bla bla bla.
This is all opinion. Wasn’t that the point of the article? You’re going to have fun on the Xbox and you’re going to have fun on the PS3. The author made it loud and clear that if X is important to you, then get that system. And if Y is important to you, get the other. Who freaking cares in the end. Whatever system you have… it’s the best one for you. There are all these overly drawn out and far to long comments that are all saying the same thing- that the system they own is better than the other one. Can you not see the absurdity in this? COD5 is just as fun to play on the Xbox as it is on the PS3, (for example). Who gives a flying crap if the graphics are a tad better on one system or the other. Or that you can instantly chat with a friend better on this console than the other. Or that the controller is better on the other system. It’s about playing games and having fun! All you people should be this passionate about the environment, education, or the economy! Your console is the best in all the land! You’re the smartest person in the world. So, can we move the f#%k on already?
I agree with you on points like how gaming is fun regardless of personal preferences, but that bit at the end was kind of bullshit. I mean the environment is screwed beyond repair, education systems in most countries seem to be getting worse and worse in general and the economy is always bouncing around and there’s jack most individuals can do on their own to aid it in any way.
Gaming is an escape from the crapulence that makes up the better part of the modern world. If I wanted to give a damn about the real world I wouldn’t be a true gamer.
As a side note, anyone playing Fallout 3 of late? OPERATION: ANCHORAGE RULES!!!! I’m really looking forwards to the next bit to get thrown to my hungry mouth. The only bad thing is after this content I’m skeptical they can deliver any better expansion content. I shall have to wait and see, biding my time with several other games…
The sad point is that i still cant figure out which one to buy. I mean, i am sorry to say, PS3 vs XBOX is not the appropriate title here. It should’ve simply been reviews of the konsoles or somethin like tat. I hope someone will let me know which has better graphics, cuz even this people are unsure.
Down to what I’ve seen from both, they’re both good but so far the 360 wins in every game that has a version for both consoles and can achieve a faster framerate with better lighting effects. That said, the difference between the two isn’t usually too great so I wouldn’t base your purchase on graphics alone but also on the other points this article covered.
I have to say, this article seems pretty biased, although most like unintentional. You make it clear in which ways the ps3 falters, but when the 360 comes out less favorable in comparison you are quick to point out how this will change in the future, when the whole point of the article is to compare the systems right now. This passage for example:
“Piracy. The PS3 still has yet to be figured out by modders, so pirates are still left with one choice between the two. That said, Microsoft is constantly battling piracy, in the form of completely banning consoles that play online with pirated games. The Playstation 3 will almost inevitably be cracked, but when it happens and how easy it’s going to be are unknown at this point.”
You couldn’t just say the 360 has an issue with piracy and the ps3 doesn’t? It’s like you can’t concede that the ps3 might be better in an area.
PS- I’ve had a 360 for awhile and have no plans to get a ps3 any time soon. But I’m a gamer before I’m a fangirl, and I think it’s unfair to present this article as unbiased.
Well I’v played them all,looked over all the options,checked all settings,and I would rather have a 360 anyday for games.Now lets talk Paddles,the PS3 is still stuck in the caveman days with the paddle that causes wrist and joint pain,and feels like you might break it while playing.PS@HOME is utterly RETARDED,who ever thought of that should be fired,and should never work in the game world again.Being third person makes me sick(shouldn’t games get real,and not even more fake than they allready are?)games should be all first person view.The main reson why the XBOX kicks PS ass in the user friendly setup,the party system is awsome but could be better,finding your HDD settings is impossable on the PS3,downloading and installing DEMOS all at once when the PS3 downloading and installing are two different tasks.The PS3 added trophies latly,Gold,Silver,and bronze.Allright,how would that work?You have 400 Gold Trophies,I have 800 Bronze,and 200 Silver…ummm..whos better?More importantly “Who Cares?”.I’m an achievement whore,and I don’t hate any console(except maybe the Wii),the point system is by far better.The breakdowns on both machines suck,the PS3 is more reliable(Thermo paste dries up and over heats,or blue ray drive fails),the 360 has had more problems than anyone could even have thought(Red Ring of Death,internal or hardware failures caused by over heating and junk parts).For all you Game Pirates,your all losers that make it hard for new games to be made cus your cheap and weren’t hugged as a child or something.COPY DVDS AND MUSIC LEAVE THE GAMING WORLD OUT OF IT! Last Thought::Why does the PS3 look like a upgraded version of the Atari 5200???ANY NEWS ON THAT??
I have two questions. 1) I’ve read where both systems are energy hogs compared to the Wii. With the smaller wattage of the latest release of the 360′s, which one currently will cost less in my electric bill with normal use and if I leave it plugged in but not on always? 2) Which one does a better job with Madden NFL ’09 (both online and offline)?
A second question… Is there any site selling the broken (RRoD) systems? I have access to a solder-rework hot air pencil and also a BGA rework station so I can actually reflow a BGA with a cold solder join in the BGA and inspect under XRAY. Does anyone know of a site that sells the power cords and controllers for cheap? I figure when I do find a broken 360, the users will likely be selling only the box and not the power cord or controlllers.
ok, new to this flame, back to topic, as you know, 360 got double console in the market than ps3, but do you all know, why? 1 reason i believe is that piracy, which is the most important factor in console sales. i have read alot of ps3 and 360 piracy article. especially in asia, alot of ppl (except japan) had been playing 360 for 1 reason, piracy. i can give you a example, would you buy which console where 360 game cause 5 US dollar while ps3 game cost 45+ US dollar. this is the situation we all in, which would you choose. for most ppl, of cause the cheaper game, why? cause console is just a fix price while the game, is you been paying all the while to have new title. and from an unreliable source, 360 sort of like pc base console and their anti piracy was heck care, why? let think, you play piracy, most to most banned from xlive, BUT console will still sold crazily. who would care xlive if you can play 360 game, BUT on the other hand, ps3 have been doing recce on the internet on their console, every time something new formula or coding to break ps3 piracy, ps3 had been keep undating its system to counter them back, but had 360 done this. just like wat sony done to their psp3000. they would rather get less sale than get more piracy. Piracy is a important factor in console sales. IMAGINE if ps3 had been uncoded for piracy, would you think the game industry would be different? i admit i am a ps3 fan, and i do unlike the way ms done their thing, like donate money to game company, buy share etc….. i actually please with wat sony had done cause from the way both of them battling, actually is like a heavyweight (microsoft) and a middleweight (sony) battling, the money, advertisement, those dirty business entic, SONY I SUPPORT YOU !!!! 1 last thing, how did WOW win FF ONLINE in such a short time? imo, i had play both game, MS had the budget to make alot of advertisement will FF11, had you seen any advertisement reagarding about it other than US AND JAPAN? totally NOPE, WOW AD is crazy in asia while FF got none. PLEASE correct me if i wrong about my comment, feel free to comment
Every body needs to really think. One person says ” Buy a freaking Xbox 360! Why? Cuz ( blah blah , saying all the good crap why u should buy it) ” Well guess what, about 75% of the idiots only have an xbox 360, and they probably dont own a ps3. same for the ps3. people say stuff blah blah – wireless fist fight, and all that. And what do graphics matter? if u can see it clearly, good for u. what u really need to know, is the friggin facts!!!!
Which are….
360:
- Up to 4 controllers maxed.
- Best online service to date (Xbox Live), but you have to pay monthly or yearly. It’s like $50 a year, $8 per month, and $20 per 3 months.
- Ton of games. Best known for its shooters like Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bio-shock, Gears of War, Call of Duty 4 (also on PS3), etc. (But some of these shooting games are also on PC like Gears of War, COD4, and Bio-shock)
- You can play HD-DVD if you have the HD-DVD drive otherwise you can’t.
- You need to buy a separate wireless adapter to go online.
- Has HDMI 1.2.
- Better graphics (not sure). It’s debatable.
- Upgradeable hard drive.
- Can store music, pictures, and videos.
- High failure rate.
- Controllers have vibration. Can be wired or wireless.
- Backwards compatible.
PS3:
- Games come in a variety of genres. Not many good games now but they’re coming.
- Supports up to 7 wireless controllers. All wireless.
- Flash card readers.
- Can store music, pictures, and videos.
- Has HDMI 1.3a.
- Built-in Wi-Fi for wireless internet connection.
- Built-in Bluetooth. Therefore you can use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse so you can use it like a computer.
- Free online service/gameplay. Home coming out soon which is like a virtual world sort of like the Sims.
- Upgradeable hard drive.
- Can interact a PSP with it.
- Can play PS2 and PS1 games. (Except for the 40GB model which can’t play PS2 games.)
- Built-in blu-ray player. Games built on blu-ray which has more capacity than Xbox’s DVDs.
- More powerful engine/CPU (Cell Processor), but so far no one has tapped into that power.
- SIXAXIS/Dual shock 3 controller. SIXAXIS allows you to twist and turn the controller and the game will react to it while the Dual shock 3 gives you vibration.
- Can run Linux.
THIS SHEIT IS WAT U REALLY NEED TO FREAKING KNOW!!!!!!!!
thanks!
Wherever you got your information from gave you outdated intel.
You also missed a few things.
1. So far the 360 also has a greater number of RPGs currently released. This could change in future, but there’s still a very noticeable gap.
2. The 360 now has quite a low failure rate with consoles manufactured after November 2007. October 2008′s Jasper models did even more to resolve issues.
3. Wireless controllers now come even in the cheap 360 packages.
4. PS3 while having games of most genres seems to have less games in each genre than the 360 in most if not all cases.
5. Compactflash and SD card support was dropped in newer PS3 consoles.
6. Home is out (and this next bit is subjective as it’s from my point of view only), and it sucks balls. Laggy and almost everything has a price tag. Makes M$ look like saints in comparison.
7. No new models being made support the playing of PS2 games. My 80gb model doesn’t.
8. Blu-ray is higher capacity BUT the read speeds are shit which is a real disadvantage when it comes to loading data.
9. The Cell engine is horrible for gaming, even if it is powerful. Some developers themselves have mentioned this, though I’d think it common enough knowledge.
10. The SIXAXIS’ motion control capabilities are a few dozen screws short of a wiimote’s and many gamers’ opinions are mixed on them. I was personally pissed by the inclusion of motion control in games such as Heavenly Sword.
No offense, but your comment does seem more than a little biased though it might just be that you didn’t do your homework, idk.
Also, there is no best. It’s what suits u most. If u dont like any of these, don’t play f&^*ing games!!!! its bad for u.
I might get a ps3 though- ^U^
Got 360 for about 6 months now, and i am really satisfied, i got like 50 pirate games and live is amazing, but I am a huge MGS fan and i see killzone 2 have some really nice reviews so far, also i think god of war 3 will probably be amazing so I am considering buying ps3 as well, however beside those 3 games and maybe uncharted i cant see any other game worth buying that i cant get for xbox for cost of one DL disk. I don’t know… ps3 is amazing console but having 360 really shrinks it’s value especially for me cause i really don’t care for bluray. The hell with it I’m buying it! BTW nice review. :) Sorry for my english.
I think this was very informational…i personal love my XBOX360 and will never buy a PS3…I know the XBOX 360 has a bad rep because of RROD and running noisy but i have had my XBOX 360 for over 2 years and i have never gotten teh RROD and the new XBOX dashboard allows you to download games on your hardrive which makes them run much more quiet…I am a huge online player and absolutely love the XBOX 360 online…paying $4.00 a month for XBOX Live is definitly worth it…I think the whole blu-ray thing is cool but i can live without it…its all about what u want both systems are great but im gonna roll with my XBOX 360…thx for reading and have a nice day…
Like the conclusion. Totally agree. It’s been my stand from the very beginning of the ‘PS3 vs. Xbox 360 War’ that both consoles are great, but what it comes down to is basically personal preference.
it’s still a problem with Xbox 360 . it’s ROD . I got one and it’s gone. :( . i go and buy a new PS3 with dual shock 3 . wow it’s really kool. i don’t have to worry much about any problems . i’m waiting for God Of War 3 , and FF XIII
Great article(s)I’ve yet to play a PS3 but got a free one on it’s way. Thanks to some phone company really not wanting me to change networks. (Next time your due an upgrade just give it a go I’m sure you’ll get something else from them other than a nice new shiny phone I got a wii last year)
@ MeSi
The reason xbox gamers aren’t defending their console is because they are too busy on the phone to MS to get it repaired. I’m only saying this because mine is off getting fixed and am waiting for it to return (2nd time in 2 years). And I’m really missing CoD4. PS3 coming soon so at least I will be able to shoot someone this week.
I purchased a 360 three years ago, and I finally got the red ring of doom… Microsoft wants to charge me over $90 to fix a machine they knew was defective. I have been a live gold member since day one, and I now refuse to give microsoft any more money!! I have had a playstation for about 9 months now, I am totally happy with this baby of mine… The amount of money I have spent on the XBOX far outweighs what I have spent on the Playatation. Free online, Blue ray, Bluetooth enabled, hard-drive replacement is cheap and easy, and more games to come like Metal Gear 4, which the X couldn’t dream of running. Playstation is the pinnacle, and I’m sure you will see I am right over the next few year. I must also add that I do not believe the playstation to be a console for children.. It is a machine for true gamers…
Maybe try one of the newer model 360s?
They seem to run a good deal quieter AND I’ve known more PS3s to have problems with the blu-ray drive or even just not recognising the hard drive randomly.
I count myself lucky that all of my consoles seem very resilient.
I have a xbox and i really hate sending it all the time to the xbox support. I have send it twice and it’s broken again. I called xbox support and they said i have only send it once!! That really pissed me off! I also dont like that if you only move the xbox a little while playing a game you’re game is screwed! You see scratches in rounds over the whole cd. I have nfs carbon and i dont get a new one because eagames wont give me! I personally think a ps3 is better, i’m thinking of buying one in stead of buying a second xbox. That’s because it’s more expensive (ps3) but i wanna play online and i dont want to pay 60 euro’s a year to play online. If you look at the price of a 360 and a ps3 i think the ps3 is a bit better because you already have to pay 60 earo’s to play online! I also don’t have to pat a bluray anymore
i was looking online for a totally unbiased comparison between the 2 consoles. i like gaming and am PC gamer. But maintaining my rig has cost me a small fortune over the years in upgrading it etc.
so i have finally decided to go with teh 360 simply because where i live there are alot of games for it. please don’t flame me! >_<
i was using a friend’s xbox 360 Pro for about a week and i found that it’s not as loud as people make it to be. mind you, he did get the latest revision of it. i think its either 55nm or 45nm i can’t remember. the RRoD won’t be an issue with me as i have a bunch of leftover watercooling parts… *knocks on wood* i already own a Wii (won it in a raffle) and i found that the games are more for kids.
well i just wanted to thank you for taking the time to write that comparison
Your game selection is off. Xbox 360 has a lot of AAA XBL Arcade Games that are exclusive which you didn’t include. Also an 80% score doesn’t indicate a good game. 5 is considered the average score since most reviews either rate with a 5/5 or 10/10 rating. If 5 is average, 6 is above average, 7 is good, 8 is great, 9 is awesome, 10 is a timeless classic.
The Xbox 360 may be facing RROD (Red Rings of Death) but the PS3 is also facing some problems mainly YLOD (Yellow Light of Death) which has been a major problem which enables us to call in for the “PS3 Koffin.”
Even if the Xbox Pro cost $299, the PS3 is still the better deal at $399. Out of the box wifi, built-in blu-ray, built-in optical, free online, a larger hard-drive, etc.
I’ve had both systems since launch and only my PS3 has failed me. :(
A lot of people like to compare exclusives…the only thing that matters is quality over quantity. If the game is multi-platform it will no doubt be superior in every way on the Xbox 360, DLC, better graphics/framerate, etc.
Hey isn’t all this about playing games?The PS3 reminds me of a computer,but I have a computer,but I don’t have a blu-ray player yet.The 360 DOES have better graphics,most people who say other wise has not seen both,or is in denial.
EXAMPLE GAMES:Fallout 3(looks smoother on PS3,but littered with glitches)Elder Scrolls 4(allways locking up after about 4 hours of play and loading times are quicker on PS3)bushes and everything load quicker also.Now for Ps3 only games,I know this game is like a first release and all but have any of you seen Resistance,the graphics are GARBAGE,I allmost puked when I seen it.XBOX is a game machine.PS3 is the Media machine.I will buy a PS3,I’m in love with GT5.Blu-ray is the stuff though,a must have in any house.The Wii is crap,but I will play Tanks anyday.LOL
Heck naw!!! I made my decision. PS3. Loved the review and other comments on this board, but sorry to many problems with the Xbox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
If the console has 3 or more exclusive games that you want, get it.
hi.
i share the opinion of the author as he sais
“I am more of an offline gamer when it comes to consoles, so the XBOX 360’s huge advantage of being the superior online gaming system doesn’t apply to me. I just want a console that will do what it’s supposed to do, and do so quietly.”
…and i want the blueray player…
but one point that is much more important to me is:
Which console has the better RPGs?
A friend of mine just told me that XboX 360 has much more and better RPGs then PS3. Something like “Lost Odysee” which is xbox exclusive. and that sony selled their exclusive rights of Final Fantasy :(
i will mosty play RPG and Hack&slay(like god of war) mixed with some racing (like GT) and BeatemUp.
so which console would u say has the better offer in this section of games?
So far Xbox has the better selection of RPGs. It has exclusive Japanese titles like Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey and Star Ocean. It has Fable 2 and Mass Effect. Next year Mass Effect 2 will come out for Xbox 360, but not for PS3.
Oblivion is actually supposed to be a bit better on the PS3 compared to the Xbox version, from what I’ve heard, while Fallout 3 is worse. Fallout 3 expansion stuff is coming out for Xbox, but not PS3. For the sake of PS3 owners, I hope that expansion material will come out for the PS3 as well eventually. So far, PS3 owners aren’t missing a lot. I thought Operation: Anchorage was pretty boring, although you get some kick-ass gear, like the Gauss Rifle, from completing it. The next expansion, The Pitt, is supposed to be better. And the expansion after The Pitt will finally raise the lvl 20 cap to lvl 30!!
And yeah FFXIII will be out for both Xbox 360 and the PS3 and at the same time.
As I am living in China, and will be for the next few years or so, I think I have to choose the 360.
PS3 games are really hard to find here, and when you do find them, they are really expensive. Cracked 360 games cost less than a dollar here, and almost all titles are available. So where I can spend 30 dollars and get more than 30 top 360 titles, I would have to spend the same on a single PS3 game which I might not even want (since the selections are so poor), or spend a bit more and import one from abroad.
As a language teacher making about $800 per month here, the choice is all about the economics.
Where in China do you live? PS3 games aren’t much more than they are in Hong Kong, and that means they are still less than USA and Japan. Buying new XBOX 360 games in China is difficult, as you’ll mostly come across books-full of pirated games.
Here is my opinion having owned and played both systems:
It is largely based on personal preference at first, but in the long run reliability should win in my opinion. That being said, I would prefer a PS3 over a 360 because of the 360′s inevitable RRoD problem.
- incapable of being avoided or prevented; “the inevitable result”
- an unavoidable event; “don’t argue with the inevitable”
- invariably occurring or appearing; “the inevitable changes of the seasons”
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Inevitable my ass. There are launch 360s that haven’t died and they’re the ones more prone to it. More recent revisions have seen a dropping in failure rate. Like mine for example. Mine that sits along my PS3, each connected to a nice screen and it’s own 5.1 surround sound system. Mine that I can leave on for a weekend when downloading a few xbox originals.
If buying a console new now, there’s not really many technical problems for either. A few xboxs will RROD but a few PS3s will randomly not detect their hard drive or will stop reading discs. Seen that happen a few times I have.
for any1 considering an xbox 360, be warned, it has a lot of breakdowns. i dont know how the ps3 runs and it may break just as much but i shipped my xbox 360 in a week ago for the third time in a year. Also, the first time i shipped it in, it took 2 MONTHS FOR IT TO GET BACK. The second time i shipped it in it took a little over a month and now i had to ship it in again. I’m getting really tired of doing this over and over. (ps. the first two times i shipped it in where because i got the 3 red lights of death, very anoying to ship it to microsoft for the exact same thing twice!)
See, that’s why it pays to do your research. If you bought a later model you would have been fine.
If it is a later model, I wonder wtf exactly you do with your consoles.
not true, i have a later model and got rrod, my friend did to, both within a year of purchase. This is bloody rediculous, microsoft needs to solve this problem once and for all. This whole new chip solvin rrod thing is a myth.
Bullshit.
I know a ton of new people with the newer machines and none of them have experienced RRoD. And I live in Australia in an area often hot as hell with many bogans who might possibly destroy their own console, yet their consoles are still working and very well I might add. Bar one case where the guy’s house was that dusty all of his consoles ended up dying in a matter of weeks, but that certainly wasn’t the 360′s fault.
I smell a rat…
just because it hasnt happened yet does not mean it won’t happen. And it only takes a quick googles to see that its still going on. Open your eyes and stop humpin ur xbox.
I just took a quick google and it indicated few if any new 360s RRoDing.
You know though, maybe they will RRoD. When PS3s finally meet half of their potential sometime within the next ten years.
Close your arse, the PS3′s not meant to fit.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/news.phtml/19364/20388/NXE-launch-marred-RRoD-reports.phtml
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/11/what-happens-if-the-xbox-360-nxe-causes-rrod/
are just a couple of pages, and that was caused by a forced update for nxe :S. And if rrod was solved microsoft would be shouting it from the heavens, which they are not. I thought people would have learned when the falcon chip was claimed as the answer to rrod, it did not solve this problem. As for the jasper chips, it’s only been out for a couple of months and allready people are claiming rrod. You really need to open your eyes about rrod and stop hiding in the corner with your hands over your ears whispering ‘theres no such thing as rrod’. Obviously everyone complaining about rrod over the internet is lying, obviously there is no such thing as rrod. Go to any 360 forum with a rrod thread and you will get a list of people complaining about this issue, even a few jasper chiped 360s. I am not a ps3 fanboy, just a disgruntled 360 owner who has rrod, and i can assure you i know a couple of other people with the same problem. Anyone wanting proof that i own a 360 well i can give live details. RROD is still happening, do not listen to a 360 fanboy troll who does not do any research and constantly tells people that they are lying when they claim to have rrod.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Jasper+chips+RRoD&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Just a link to a google search for Jasper RRoDs. I was hard pressed to find any credible cases via that search. You have linked two articles on the NXE RRoDs which while one is credible though lacking on details, the other shows obvious bias even going as far as calling the 360 a ‘Frankenstein of a machine’.
Concerning NXE RRoD, most cases that did mention the revision in question mentioned it was an older revision rather than Jasper. When you have 14 million users upgrading to NXE, there’s likely gonna be one or two newer machines failing, just as some newer PS3s fail.
Even in the beginning the highest estimate was that 1 in 4 units would eventually fail. With newer revisions the number is similar to that of any similar device including the PS3.
But then it’s conveniant to leave that bit out, isn’t it?
As for my gaming systems *before* I sold my PS3, take a look:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2en9cmc.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2zio32e.jpg
Pretty nice, eh? See, it’s easy to borrow a camera from some random person and take a snapshot. Anyone can make a LIVE account. ;)
I *KNOW* RRoD exists and will continue to, but at this point in time those with newer 360s have as much chance of RRoD as PS3 owners have their blu ray disc not reading discs or their unit failing to recognise any hard drive they try to use which can really be a pain in the ass.
I did my research and know quite well that I’m correct. If you’re failing to see that a problem has been solved as well as possible, it’s you covering your ears. This is like a generation reversal of last gen’s PS2 via Xbox…
Actually the general statistic for rrod at the beginning was 1 in 3, not 1 in 4, but even thats believed to be higher, compaired to the less than 2 % (highest number i could find next to .02 and 1) failure rate of the ps3. And yes there are far less jasper reports at the moment, but thats because it’s only been out a few months, but the fact there are rrod reports this early is a bad sign, and wasn’t falcon suppose to solve the problem? However if you feel so strongly that the jasper unit has solved this problem why don’t you give credible evidence that it has gone. Yes it is easy to make a live account however sending a message from my live profile seems one of the only ways to show i have a 360. However maybe these pics will help.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2uh0kld&s=5
and whilst im sure you shall return with ‘oh u went round to a friends house and took a pic of his 360′ or some crap like that, if u look to the left of that pic theres this letter
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=r1wmmx&s=5
which is no proof that the 360 is mine granted however it does prove that the 360 has had microsoft repair it.
My point is rrod still exists and there is no conclusive proof its been solved. Jasper is still in it’s early days and there are still reports that it is causing rrod. Yes this might be just an unlucky few, time can only tell, but there is no evidence it has solved the rrod problem and microsoft have introduced chips in the past that were suppose to solve the problem and it hasn’t. Should this put anyone off buying a 360, i think it’s something that people should think about seriously before running out and getting a 360. Yes you get a 3 year warranty for rrod and at least in britian, aside from the phone call the service was pretty decent, but should you really have to put up with being without your console.
In the end its the buyers decision but id seriously do your own research on the problem before dismissing it.
Bullshit it was higher than 1 in 3. There are still way too many people with launch 360s even with a ton of them failing for the percentage to be that high. Though I do grant you that many are believed to be ticking time bombs due to the design of the launch consoles. Perhaps it might get that high one day, possibly in a few years. But by then there could very well be new consoles.
My credible evidence lies in that few credible cases have popped up as I showed with that google search link. There’s no evidence to suggest I’m wrong so either way my information is more credible. Oh I agree, maybe they will all fail in the future. But in the same token, maybe the PS3 will be able to use more of it’s potential in the future to the point where the majority of games play better than the 360. Too bad about some of it’s limitations though. I mean the 2x speed blu ray drive is a kick in the nuts in terms of future potential. All I foresee is PC games eventually coming out on blu ray for blu ray drives and those versions being a higher speed as higher speed PC drives will eventually be available. Awesome for PC gamers, not so awesome for PS3 gamers.
And for some further homework, why don’t you research how the PS3′s cell processor works. You’ll notice something about the true efficiency if you dig deeply enough…
It seems to me that in the past, XBOX had a clear advantage. Look at the first comparison article, and the year later.
Two years later, the units are somewhat more competitive. XBOX still is more popular. However sony is learning from it’s miskakes, and is also making up by starting to deliver juicy exlusive titles.
I think one of two things will happen. XBOX will hit its prime, and start to slack and fall behind. While the PS3 matures and then starts to surprass the XBOX in future years. Or XBOX will keep steady, and PS3 will have trouble keeping pace, and will eventually fall behind. My guess is in another year or two we will see the PS3 start to really shine, if costs continue to fall.
Personally, I’ve still got a Ps2, and I’ve got a Wii. Untill I’ve worn out what those consoles have to offer I reall dont need to upgrade just yet. :D
Thanks mate for your 3 fantastic articles! i own a 360 and my older brother is getting a ps3! i am cool with that because i played ps2 for years! personally though i think 360 is better for a wider variety of games ( especially fps) but the ps3 is bringing out some exclusive games such as killzone 2 and GOD OF WAR 3!!! I would pay so much too be able to play GoW 3 on my 360 because i thing GoW 1 AND 2 were even better than Prince of Persia! MGS4 Graphics are incredible and the only game that can compete with it on the 360 in my opinion is Gears Of War 2!
PS3 for me, because of 2 things:
- Blu-ray support. I want to watch HD movies on my new HD TV, but I don’t want to clutter up my TV rack with a separate Bluray player.
- Built-in WIFI. I’ll be damned if I’m going to pull an ethernet cable all the way to my living room. And if I have to shell out $$$ for WIFI support on the 360, that takes away the one of the big reasons to choose the 360 in the first place… price.
Plus I don’t really dig those 360 exclusives anyway.
good job i just read all 3 of your articles and i think u hit it head on. I have a ps3 and like u said it is a lot quiter. But i have had to send my 80gig in 2 times for service. Once for the blu-ray drive and now for something i dont know so if u can do some follow up work on this the reliabilty of the ps3 it will be greatly appreacitated
how do i download gt4 lost and damned to my ps3? I know its released, i cant find it on psn.
It’s at the same location Operation Anchorage is for Fallout 3. Xbox Live.
@ that Peter fellow below. HELLO THAR SIR. CHANCES ARE I’M TALKING FROM ABOVE YOU IF YOU DIDN’T REPLY DIRECTLY TO DINGLE BERRY’S COMMENT!!!
The PS3 couldn’t emulate the xbox 360. I doubt it could successfully emulate a Nintendo Gamecube without a ton of effort. And even if it did emulate the Gamecube (likely via a GC emulatar runnable on Linux), I bet the frame rate would be abysmal.
Wouldn’t it be funny if it did though? It might have a great library of console exclusives where it only has a few must haves right now. Personally I think the most retarded thing they ever did was removing the PS2 emulation. Thanks to that, a ton of people like myself need to hold onto their PS2 still and change AV cables every time they want to switch consoles out. LAME!
And with the PS2 playback, damn did the PS3 have some good games. Now it Just has Final Fantasy I-IX, Duke Nukem, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, TOmb Raider and some other PSX games you can play on just about everything these days.
Man why did i buy this ps3. I dont know what to do with it. Is there any good games on the way.
Yeah, a few and a few out already which is why I got one. But funnily enough, when pressed for good games most PS3 fans offer the same 3-6 games. And compare them only to the 360′s good shooters like Gears and Halo 3 while they use games of all PS3 genres.
MGS4 was awesome, Killzone 2 is more of the same with amazing graphics. Where’s the innovation? Cos y’know, let’s just make a somewhat generic shooter and spend God knows how long prettying it up. Oh it’s a solid game, don’t get me wrong, but it’s far from worthy of the scores it’s gotten. 10 for graphics, yes. 10 for sound effects? Possibly. 10 for gameplay and originality? Hell no.
Also LittleBigPlanet is horribly addictive if you’re a fan of platformers and possibly making/customising shit. It calls me… again…
Ah, but Silver, the smarter people buy the 60GB from ebay or some other place instead of moaning about having to hold on to the PS2. I bought a 60GB in very good condition with 2 controllers and an HDMI cable for a total cost of $385 (includes shipping). So, although of course it’s a minus looking at the issue from a global perspective, there are ways around it. :)
Either way, the Australian 60gb model only had emulation support and even patched it looks pretty arse I’ve found.
You could argue that I could spend a lot purchasing a US console that still contains the emotion chip and use a power cable from an Australian console as the PS3 is open region, but why should I have to? And there’s a finite number of 60gb models anyway. When they’re gone, they’re gone.
I’m actually very tempted right now to sell or trade-in my PS3 and all games bar exclusives I like towards one of those resi 5 limited edition red 360 elites. That’s of course knowing full well I can just grab a new PS3 when FFXIII VS comes out. My one worry is that they may cut out even more features…
What would really crack me up is if someone developed an 360 emulation package for the PS3 (like you can run windows on a Mac). Then you could have your cake and eat it! (wouldn’t work the other way around because of the whole Bluray nonsense)
As for Dingle Berry Bandit – unless you have been living under a rock (or had a life outside of games consoles) you would know that Microsoft paid handsomely to keep the download content for GTA4 as an exclusive to the 360.
i agree with the review all 3 of them but the fackt is a lepord neva changes its spoots and im a big sony fan and allway will be but im afraid i have to try the xbox360 as all iv read about is how amazing xbox live is so thts why im picking the xbox ( for now) plus all my freinds have xbox but if it wasent for tht i would chose ps3 every time ty for you reviews they were verry helpfullim just wondering about reliability
The Xbox 360 Exclusive`s come only to the pc because it`s Microsoft you knoww :)
I went for the PS3. I have friends who have the 360. All have red ringed on them, one friend twice (not good). It’s a loud console and the controllers are bulky, not a good console in my eyes.
I keep hearing the graphics are better on the 360 than PS3! Isn’t this because you are comparing games that were made for 360 which have been “ported” to PC and then PS3!? Games that are ported from one console to another, I would expect lower performance results and I would also expect the games to be patched for this reason.
I’m a tad wary of these reviews and deep down I think the content admins and authors of this site are really 360 fanboys trying to make it look like the 360 just edges it, when really the PS3 is a superior console.
-You can replace the HDD on PS3 to easily:
-Store music
-Store photos
-Play Blu Ray
-PS Home is improving
-Games with high end graphics are being made for PS3 and not “ported” over (makes a big difference, something this developer should know of).
-Online is free
It looks, performs and sounds better than 360.
PS Home is crap. VEEEERRRYYY crap.
And if you’ve ever played a 360 and used it’s online features, you wouldn’t list it as an advantage.
Online is crap compared to Xbox Live. I’ve only ever had issues on xbox live with Castle Crashers. With the PS3, sometimes it plays nice and sometimes it don’t. And I have several friends on either side of that board. Some it’s perfection, others can’t remain connected for more than a few minutes.
And graphics that are all that excellent are limited to a few games, most of which are arcade games which do not offer the experience a full retail game would and the only retail title with good graphics that don’t have overrated or crappy gameplay. Shame about all that installing you have to though, especially when you want to play from a previous point in the game. Damn read speeds can’t keep up with what the game needs, pardner!
I have reed all 3 articles to help me decide which console to purchase. They have been a great help in finialising my decision and have decided to go for xbox360. Personally i think xbox360 has the upper hand at this point having the xtra time to mature. That doesn’t mean Ps3 comes in at second best (Ever). Ps3 has great potential and once developers manage to tap into it, it could well be thee number 1 console of all time. I guess time will tell.
Great articles:)
Nice article. I will buy one of those 2, but I don´t know which one.
It seems ps3 will have an important improvement, but now xbox is better, I think.
Anyway, nice article :)
Great review. Like the reviewer, I also went with a PS3 as I tend to be more of an offline “bachelor” gamer. I generally play survival horror and RPGs (Final Fantasy fanboy) and while XBOX appears to have more RPGs, the Playstation traditionally has more variety and better quality of (exclusive) RPGs. However, my friends have an XBOX/Wii and that is (much) more fun for parties and drinking and what not, but PS3 does just “feel better” to me solo gaming which of course is a subjective assertion.
This was especially true with PS2, but of course past performance does not guaranteee future results. A purchase of a PS3 is still a hedge bet on the future of the platform games. I also like the controller for PS3 better as I have always found XBOX controllers too “busy”. However, if you like hardcore online FPS I would go with an XBOX for sure. It is generally a matter of what kind of gamer/media person you are.
thank God somebody got on here and made an article that gives people the information they need on when it comes to which console to buy. all i have to say is that i have both.. and the only damn thing i use the ps3 for is watching movies. i should’ve just bought a damn blue ray player from wal mart. i mean, there are NO games on the ps3! the only thing it has to its name is MGS4! and the resistance games were the biggest disappointment of all. most people assume that since playstation was the dominant system for so long that its still the superior name. well guess what… things can change! and they did. i owned a playstation and ps2 and was very happy with both, but the’ ps3, which was supposed to be sooooo amazing and sooooo revolutionary just ended up being an overall disappointment. i guess im just pissed that sony got everyone so hyped up about the ps3 and then gave us this console that you paid so much money for and you dont even get your money’s worth!! but atleast they’re learning from their mistakes. i really hope that the ps3 will start to shine within the next year or so, especially with God of War 3, because i’d really hate to see a good name go to shit.. in the mean time, avoid the risk of disappointment and get a 360.
There are a few things that could be added to your article which were kind of touched upon. By installing Linux on multiple PS3 and connecting them in a cluster you can use the as an extremely cheap super computer! Some colleges and universities are buying PS3s for this reason. It can also be used as a desktop system (for free!!). If used in this way then it is a really cheap computer.
The availability of Linux and an open source API for the cell processor could and probably will allow for massive development to take place at minimal cost.
I would say i have owned both systems and have high def television and i believe the xbox360 blows the ps3 out of the water, yes it may get rrod but buy a cooling system for i think it is 20 dollars and there you go no rrod. But the only games i play are sports games so maybe the other games on ps3 are better i don’t know but i couldn’t imagine that sony could ever compete with microsoft.
I’ll back that statement up. I have a launch Xbox 360 and got one of those 20 dollar fans back when I first heard about the RRoD.
Two and a half years later, I bought a replacement 20 dollar fan, but I still have that Xbox 360 from November 2005 up & running; I have never ever even seen a red light much less a ring of them.
Yeah, I know some may think I’m just “lucky”, and maybe I am, but I just wanted to throw that out there because people shopping for a console need to know that not ALL Xbox 360′s are doomed to failure, and the reliability of the new ones far surpass that of my own older model which has never failed me.
I have just pre-ordered the elite 360 ltd ed Resident Evil 5 package, also have ordered Halo 3, Darkness and Jericho . I came to this site to help reassure me that this was the right thing to do as I have regrew my console cherry as it has been a few years since I’ve played… now I’m not so sure as I am more of a stand alone gamer and am indecisive at the best of times. Can anyone tell me that I am doing the right thing? lol.
Excellent article btw, its my split personalities causing the confusion not the article content.
You are doing the right thing. Most of the PS3′s bragworthy exclusives are multiplayer with the exception of MGS4.
The 360 has more games AND that bundle gets you not only Resi 5 but also a code to download Super Street Fighter 2 HD Remix.
I have a PS3 and i love it. when i got it it was the only console with HDMI, this was one of the bigest selling points( I just got a new 1080 TV and 7.1 suround sound) also Final Fantasy 13 was looking to be a PS3 exclusive. But now the X-box has both of these. I still prefer the PS3 because of the free online service and the reliability. I ve always has playstations and they just feel right.
I have a PS3, and I must say it’s a brilliant console. Here’s why:
– Region free; sure, I have not imported any titles yet, but I will do soon.
– Blu-ray support
– PSN is just as good as XBL, that and it’s free
– Metal Gear Solid 4 (I am an avid fan of the Metal Gear saga; I’ve played all of them, even the 8-bit ones on the MSX).
– I am skeptical about the new XBOX 360 builds. I hear much less reports of those new console breaking down, but I absolutely refuse to spend *any* amount of my hard-earned cash for something that is a risk.
– The PS3 just “feels” better. It just seems to me as though the PS3′s build quality is much higher than that of the xbox360 (this statement is both subjective and objective; objective in the fact that many 360′s break down very quickly).
– (Subjective) – I’ve owned both a PS1 and a PS2. I’ve always enjoyed playing games on Sony consoles. They just “feel” better. I’ll quite happily play on other consoles (aside from a PS1, PS2, and PS3, the other consoles I own are: SNES, Gamecube, Sega Saturn, xbox (the original one, not the 360), Gameboy color, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS)
Things that are irrelevent:
– Ability to use Linux; I use Linux on my x68 Intel-based PC, not my PS3 gaming machine. A gaming machine is a gaming machine, not a work machine.
– (Lack of) PS2 backwards compatibility is irrevelant to me; I have a PS2 (two in fact, a fat one and a slim one. The fat one works perfectly ok, the slim one works like an athlete on steroids). Both my PS2′s are modded.
– PS1 backwards compatibility is included through emulation on all PS3′s, but it still irrelevent, given that I have a perfectly working PS1 (that I still use quite frequently). My PS1 is modded.
– The PS3′s “inferior” collection of games; seriously, people treat it as though you are going to buy hundreds of games. I typically buy maybe one or two games every few months. There are hundreds and hundreds of excellent games on the PS3 (multi-platform or exclusive, regardless). I’m also a college student, with barely any time to play games non-stop on non-weekends, so even if the PS3 currently had only 20 games, that would still be more than enough for me.
– I honestly don’t see much difference between the various multi-platform games available on PS3/360. Some PS3 games don’t look as good as they do available on the 360, but so what? They’re still *very good*, just not *as* good by comparison.
– The PS3 is more powerful; that’s a fact. But, in practise it’s the 360 that wins in this regard (in terms of GPU power). Guess what? This is irrelevent to me! The PS3 is still an extremely powerful gaming console. Relativity means little when you weigh all the other odds aswell.
– The Xbox360′s “superior” netplay capability. It’s only superior in the fact that it’s much more “polished”, and has a larger user-base. Both XBL and PSN basically offer the same thing, except PSN is free, and practically works the same way. The only game I play online right now is GTA4 (and at the time of writing, the games I have are; Metal Gear Solid 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden Sigma; I plan to purchase a copy of Sonic Unleashed, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2 (when it is released), Resident Evil 5 (when it is released) in the near future).
“- PSN is just as good as XBL, that and it’s free”
No. This tells me that either you’re not that big on multiplayer games or you haven’t tried XBL and perhaps possibly an xbox 360 in general.
“- I am skeptical about the new XBOX 360 builds. I hear much less reports of those new console breaking down, but I absolutely refuse to spend *any* amount of my hard-earned cash for something that is a risk.”
That’s your problem. I’m clarifying for those undecided, but newer 360s seem quite resilient and PS3s aren’t flawless. Disc read problems and random cases of the PS3 failing to detect a hard drive can be quite annoying.
“- The PS3 is more powerful; that’s a fact. But, in practise it’s the 360 that wins in this regard (in terms of GPU power). Guess what? This is irrelevent to me! The PS3 is still an extremely powerful gaming console. Relativity means little when you weigh all the other odds aswell.”
lolwut? It has an extremely powerful cell processor no-one can as of yet fully harness (meaning it has potential, but that shouldn’t mean shit to the gamers of hear and now. Unreleased consoles have a lot of potential and they’re real fun to play right now) and inferior graphics, game collection and online service. The PS3 is a blu-ray player x computer that plays games as a secondary function. If I hear that the other FFXIII game loses exclusivity as well I swear I’ll sell my PS3 towards a new SNES and a shitload of SNES games. Now THAT was a game console…
I have hundreds of games and on the 360 alone and it’s such a perfect gaming experience I only ever stop playing it to play the great old games on their respective consoles or via my Wii’s virtual console. Sometimes I watch movies on my PS3 while I’m eating a lovely toasted cheese sandwich. It sure as hell excels there, especially connected to my 5.1 surround sound system. MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA
Well, i’ve had my PS3 for a little over a year, and i must say that when i first had it, i was a little disappointed with everything. I couldn’t talk to my friends playing games, etc . . all that crap before it had those special revisions. But since then, it’s beginning to become increasingly better, and i’m starting to become a lot more satisfied than i was. Of course, the XMB is still a little choppy while playin games, but not that big of a deal. I believe that either system is good for anybody’s preference, and i simply prefer my PS3 over an Xbox 360. I like both systems, but i’m a multimedia kind of guy as well and i like to watch my blu-ray movies on my new HDTV. It’s proving to become better and better. I’m more of a solo-gamer, i like to play single-player games a lot more than multiplayer, but i do still play multiplayer games. PS3 is soon to be adding a new firmware update to match the features of Xbox 360, so i don’t see any reason to see which one is better anymore. I just see it as which system fits your preferences, and the PS3 did just that with me.
Hi there,
Ps3 all the way and this is why:
blu-ray : I want the ‘best’ for my HDTV baby, xbox can forget it. THe public chose blu-ray, get over it HD fans. The PS3 is also the best blu-ray player as well, so ps3 wins there hands down as well.
wifi: say what, I gotta pay $100 more for xbox,- I dont think so.
lesbian XBL issue: Microsoft is homophobic, they dont deserve our money for removing someone just for wanting to ‘group’ with like minded individuals to avoid the XBL abusive environment. I hav e seen and heard some horribly abusive things in there and its disgusting. Microsoft is just wielding its Monopolistic powers to try to squash minorities. Jesus had a name for such people and I will not be part of it. Hate speech is so OLD, only sissies engage in it anymore.
Cell power: You have no clue what your talking about, if you think PS3 is inferior in power , not to mention the MUCH HIGHER capacity of blu-ray medium makes the xbox superiority comments a major reality fauxpas.
I can have one machine for gaming and movies and save rack space too, as another poster noted.
Free online play, and @Home is improving in HUGE ways, just google it if your not aware.
Sixaxis wireless owns; I hate wires.
I do wish the price of PS3 was lower, but if you google that you will see that its very likely to get a nice price drop soon, plus if you are careful there are used options at like gamestop, though savings is minimal and warranty very minimal; decide carefully.
One of the reasons Im going ps3 also is that I love the ratchet and clank series, and futures for PS3 is stunning and I cant wait to play it, so for me its a game availability as much as anything else, that and Killzone2 looks better than any other game console to date, just check the reviews if you doubt that.
I also agree that Xbox dropped the ball in the reliability department, so of course they had to DROP price too; you get what you pay for, and I find it very hard to trust them now.
“blu-ray : I want the ‘best’ for my HDTV baby, xbox can forget it. THe public chose blu-ray, get over it HD fans. The PS3 is also the best blu-ray player as well, so ps3 wins there hands down as well.”
The blu-ray drives on the PS3 are so awesome you’re actually required to install some games or parts of them to your hard drive for some games to work properly. Good for your movies but annoying for a gamer. And standalone blu-ray players are pretty damn slim now. At least for xbox users game installation is optional apart from where additional content is needed. And that’s only one install. Don’t get me started on MGS4′s frequent installation periods…
“wifi: say what, I gotta pay $100 more for xbox,- I dont think so.”
If you’re a dedicated gamer you’d select a wired networking method anyways. Faster, more stable, better. But then some people don’t seem to want their gaming consoles primarily for playing games. What the hell?
“lesbian XBL issue: etc etc etc”
Xbox Live is moderated. From what I see of PSN it’s either unmoderated or really shittily moderated. Kids play xbox live as they do PSN, and a lot of people don’t want their kids exposed to any form of sexuality, religion or whatever else. For the record, I’ve heard of straight couples getting kicked for getting overly specific and I’d imagine that’s what the lesbians in question were doing.
“Cell power: You have no clue what your talking about, if you think PS3 is inferior in power , not to mention the MUCH HIGHER capacity of blu-ray medium makes the xbox superiority comments a major reality fauxpas.”
Trouble is the cell processor isn’t made for gaming. It’s hard to implement it properly to make a game work as well as it could and much of the power goes to waste. Yeah, it has potential, but that don’t mean shit in the here and now. And a higher capacity doesn’t make a medium great. Look at the awesome loading times on older cart based games. Finally, what’s a ‘major reality fauxpas’? Some kind of violation of the accepted social rules of a person’s own subjective reality? Don’t really seem to make sense to me…
“I can have one machine for gaming and movies and save rack space too, as another poster noted.”
I had all three current systems til I traded my PS3 in towards a couple games and a preorder for a DSi. I plan on getting another at some point (when there are more decent games probably), but even when I had all three plus all my older consoles, they didn’t take up that much space. I just prefer the ability to play a large selection of games. The PS3 on it’s own sucks like that. And the Wii’s more suited towards casual gamers who don’t want a large stockpile of games. Despite that, it has a large library.
“Free online play, and @Home is improving in HUGE ways, just google it if your not aware.”
Ahhh crappy server issue land and zombieville. I never have any of the issues I sometimes had on PSN on XBL. You get what you pay for. Also, the interfaces you use when online on the xbox kill those used on the PS3. @Home = Zombieville? Yeah, not too many clothing choices leading to a few clones, every girl I saw on there (half were probably dudes) was stalked by a dozen weirdos and all the free games were taken by people likely as it was the only thing to do in that virtual god forsaken shithole.
“Sixaxis wireless owns; I hate wires.”
That’s hilarious. I haven’t even seen a wired 360 controller in any stores for ages. You really should know they all come with wireless controllers now, at least here. And though the rechargable battery packs cost extra, they give more power for longer than the PS3′s battery. Low charge life + USB cable = wired PS3 controller experience. Also the sixaxis controls suck in almost every game to implement them. Unlike Nintendo who obviously put a good deal of time into making it feel right.
“I do wish the price of PS3 was lower, but if you google that you will see that its very likely to get a nice price drop soon, plus if you are careful there are used options at like gamestop, though savings is minimal and warranty very minimal; decide carefully.”
I’d get a used one. Some of those models have more than two USB ports and have other features left intact. The new ones while a bit cheaper lost so many features they’re essentially a blu-ray player that plays a few games.
“One of the reasons Im going ps3 also is that I love the ratchet and clank series, and futures for PS3 is stunning and I cant wait to play it, so for me its a game availability as much as anything else, that and Killzone2 looks better than any other game console to date, just check the reviews if you doubt that.”
Yeahhh, I like RPGs and the like. Y’know, like Star Ocean 4, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and a ton of other xbox exclusives? And Killzone 2 is now gonna be a game console as well as a generic shooter with stunning graphics? O_O I didn’t know that…
I get the feeling a lot of publications gave it a high rating as anyone who gives it under 8/10 gets mobbed and lynched by rabid PS3 fans.
My point? PS3 isn’t as good for gaming as people make out. Try playing every console for a few months, and I mean seriously playing them and then argue with me. And saying you’ve had every console doesn’t make it so. If anyone wants a couple pictures of my setup from before I traded in my PS3, just ask.
Blu-ray drives and installs…
No one in their right mind cares about installs. A serious gamer would install the game on the xbox 360 to achieve the quicker loading times for in-game… wouldn’t you agree?
Wifi and wired networking…
Seriously a 802.11n will do anything you need.
That lesbian crap…
Should be up to the parents to monitor. Examples?… TV shows like Family Guy on public TV, PC internet usage. I know i wouldn’t let my 10 year old on the internet unsupervised, even if it is on a gaming console… duh.
Cell Power…
You really like the whole “Here and Now” thing huh… Well if it came down to it i would want the console which has the potential to offer more instead of being left with inferior hardware. When the developers do get their heads around it, the PS3 will be everything it promised oh so long ago.
Who gives a flying fig tree about rack space
Online…
To tell you the truth if i had to pay for it I would not even bother. I’d just continue playing PC online.
Sixaxis wireless controller…
lol… My God i don’t thing she knows quite what she talking about there. But i would say for the size, shape and feel I’d go PS3. It just more sleek, comfortable and stylish. I mean come on… the xbox one is pretty big and chunky.
Price is no real issue for someone who can handle money correctly.
And games are games… There’s a reason why there are so many… because people like different things. I’m sure you can find a lot games for any console.
Oh and one more thing: “But then some people don’t seem to want their gaming consoles primarily for playing games. What the hell?” Open your eyes… both XBOX 360 and PS3 have fallen well away from the “gaming console” tree. Everything is about functionality, availability and potential. Sure they are primarily for gaming, but you look at a mobile phone and tell me people spend $1000 just to call or text people… dreaming! If that was the case they would’ve just bought a 3310!
Well I like having the option for playing right away when I want to. Many of the games load very fast anyways.
And a wireless network will always be inferior to a wired network for gaming. Wireless networks are subject to intereference among other problems which could cost you a game against someone who actually does wire their network for superior gaming.
You wouldn’t let your kids play video games? Damn man, that’s pretty harsh.
Have fun with your potential while I have fun playing games. I know I certainly prefer a good experience now rather than when the technology becomes outdated. Yeah, by the time the cell is fully utilised the PS3 will likely have competition that dwarfs it.
Too busy playing your PC online while your PS3 slowly gains potential? Awesome. I love playing PC games. Especially some of those awesome games like Baldur’s Gate II that never made consoles.
The original PS3 controller felt like it was made for little kids. So light it felt cheap and too small for those with bigger hands. The Dualshock 3 added some of that comfortable weight back, but it’s hardly something to brag about. And I know I get more charge from my 360 rechargable batteries than I seemed to from my PS3 rechargable batteries.
Price is no issue when you want superior hardware. The 60gb PS3 model without cut features was the best model and you can easily upgrade the hard drive unless you’re a total dumbass. But then I’ve always bought all the nice peripherals for all my consoles. I like to game in the best way I possibly can.
Oh and for your last thing, I want my 360 solely for games. It basically only plays games with a good online store for buying more games which I can then play. One with a bigger selection than the PS3 store. It also adds features to improve the gaming experience like ways to easily add friends to games or chat channels which is handy for war game strategies. It might play CDs and DVDs which won’t help the gaming experience, but beyond that it’s games all the way. And my phone is only a few hundred dollars. I only use it for texting and calling people but I wanted the large colour screen so I could display a lovely large picture of my girlfriend. It makes me feel better to look at it.
So go play your blu rays and games with forced installs. I’ll have fun playing my games. :D
Michael,
Wireless N is great (I love the range I get with my EEE PC) but meaningless for the PS3 as it only supports wireless G, so you get no benefits, or you will have to buy an adapter, just like the 360.
The preference for controllers is very much a matter of personal choice. I personally prefer the shape of the 360 controller but that doesn’t make it any better or worse than the PS3 one.
I think you will also find that a large proportion of PS3s were sold to movie enthusiasts for use as a Blu-Ray drive as it was (and some argue still is) the best player on the market. Many of these are unlikely to ever be used as games consoles. This would explain why sales figures of PS3 games have been rather lackluster compared to the install base.
Very very nice! Finally a good document about PS3 Vs Xbox 360. Well I have both, PS3 adn Xbox 360. About the graphics, I think PS3 have more sharpness. By the way, 360 have a very good looking too. Xbox 360 is more for crazy gammers that only want to pass a game in less than 30 hours gameplay to get any good achievement. Then PS3 is more for people that want really good graphics and store movies or music or pictures, and it has blu-ray so thats a very good fact that makes it over Xbox.
which system would you guys reccomend to someone who only plays video games on occassion and is only interested in buying a few games.?? just to have a system around the house to play when im bored….
In all honesty, whichever has the most exclusives you’d want to play.
Just take a look at the games at your favourite store and then make up your mind. Unless of course you’d like to use it for other things as well as gaming in which case you’d probably want the PS3 which functions as a blu-ray player as well.
Like party games that are good to play with possibly non gaming mates? The Wii’s pretty nice. Cheaper and has some classics on it’s Virtual Console service.
I’ve owned all 3 of the newer systems.
I had the PS3 for about 4 months.
Didn’t like the games, or the way they played. The controller just didn’t respond well with me. I will admit that some games coming out for the PS3 look awesome though, like God of War III, and Final Fantasy Versus XIII. But if I don’t play them I won’t die.
Traded it because I didn’t even play the thing.
Wii. Had it for two years. Played Zelda and…………..that’s it. Motion technology is a crappy way to play video games. At least seriously. People who own the Wii are like posers of the video game generation. The games on the Wii are not games and if you pay 50 bucks for some of those titles you’re a idiot. Sold it because I’m not 5 years old anymore.
X-box 360. Yeah it crapped out on me. Red rings of death. Two months to get it back with a free game at least, which I sold. But it’s the only system I haven’t sold and I love the X-Box exclusive games like Halo and Gears of War. I also know Final Fantasy XIII is coming, even though it’s a year and a half away.
Anyway it’s the only system I kept, oh I still have the awesome PS2 though. I wouldn’t get rid of that for anything.
Not saying any system is better. I think you should get a system depending on what games you like. I currently believe X-Box 360 has more and better games. Peace.
i want to let everyone here know that the 360′s rrod is fixed u will only get the the rrod if u have one of the first xbox 360′s
i still dont get ho people can compare the two…
its quite sad how even thouigh the 360 was released years agoh ow it still surpasses the ps3
by the time the ps3 overpowers the 360 they would have made new consoles by then i mean it took almost three years after the ps3 was released for it to finally have a real umph in the gaming industry and even now the xbox has sold millions more and still remains the top. The fact is 360 owns this shit and ps3 players can lick my balls….
I think half the problems are centred around how some people are shooting their mouths off without using both consoles enough to evaluate them. It doesn’t help that some fanboys spam you with everything they google including outdated information which has since changed. -_-;;
After seeing the card readers, some USB ports, PS2 emulation and other features go I’m also wondering what’ll go next on the PS3. The ability to play games? lulz.
alot might have gone on the ps3, but it still has alot more and better features than the 360. I think some peoples problems are that they refuse to acknowledge a common and well documented flaw in the 360 and spams the fact that it no longer exists, even when the rest of the world has seen it.
Delusional much?
Better multimedia features, yeah, not so much the gaming features.
But if you prefer a multimedia centre you can install Linux on, then yes, the PS3 does have better features for you.
And your flaw? Let me guess, the RRoD. Almost no real reported cases with newer models. Hell, most of the few I’ve seen are from PS3 trolls.
“oh yeh mi 360 brokezorz agin an M$ dun do sheet.”
And a few 360s still dying is bad? A few PS3s are going too. Now the numbers are just a lot more even. I’ve *never* had a 360 die on me, but I’m guessing a good deal of it is how good I take care of my consoles. That and I didn’t own an older 360.
excuse me but you really need to have all the consoles to know what you are on about for example i have ps3 a wii and a xbox360.
my ps3 is 80 gb who really cares if u cant do backwards compatability thats why most people bought ps3. ps3 has got to be my favourite console of all. i mean at the start xbox games were great but know ps3 is really bouncing back. i say xbox was probabaly the biggest waste of money in the world.
people said xboxs had no more problems heck my xbox is 5 months old and has been repaired 2 times i mean comon 1 month each worth of repairs. although xbox was fun i cant depend on it so i think ps3 is for me most definetly
ROFLMFAO
My 360 has 120gb. And that’s still not enough.
And I care about BC as I don’t like to have more than three or four consoles plugged in at any one time. At the start 360 games were great and right now they still are. :D
None of my consoles this gen have died for me as I’ve taken proper care of them, though I have had a mate who had to send his PS3 in because it would not recognise any hard drive he had in it.
I had all the consoles and traded my PS3 in towards a DSi, Street Fighter IV Collector’s Edition and Halo Wars. Oh I’ll buy another PS3 later on, but for now there’s very little I can’t play better on the xbox.
Have a xbox 360 that is 1yr old and have had the ring of death. either one red light or the third red light. Always an E 74 error. My friend has tapped into the system and fixed it but it still happenes every so ofter. I even bought the cooling fans for the back of it. still have the problem. I am wondering if I should sell it and get a new xbox perhaps the elite or just get another xbox that has the 20gig hard drive. If i do get just a regular xbox, are the hard drives transferable?
ps3 is ok, but for me , the 360 has all i need.
Fantastic article(s), I’ve been looking to buy either a PS3 or a 360 and have not been able to decide which.
I’ve been someone who has got/had a PS1, PS2 and PSP, and not had and rarely played the original Xbox. I feel I want to buy a PS3, because of the stability and “good feeling” about Playstations, but the yet still pricey price tag is just a bit too much for me, and the lack of Online features, compared to the 360, would just simply annoy me, because it seems like there is no “community” feel to it, whereas from what you and others have said, the 360 does; it has easy access to friends, easy invitations, easy talking, and probably most of all, a good, fun, awards and achievements system.
So it seems like my mind is made up for me really. The want for great online play seems something Xbox and Microsoft have always had in their favour, whereas Sony have just never, ever hit it off. And the fact that most good games are on both platforms is a bonus, and all the more reason to go for the cheaper option; the 360. The only reason I would want a PS3 would be for a couple of games; Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 2, and for me to spend at least £300 (including the 40gb console and 3 those games mentioned) for those games…that’s £100 per game (obviously I’m joking, but you see what I mean), and a Blueray player, which is probably one of the most costly things about the console, I’d rather they got rid of that, and use whatever system the 360 uses for the discs, and knock it down another £50.
I just have a few questions which I’d really appreciate you to answer
Do you know if there will be any type of “Netflix” accessible in the UK one day? As that seems like it would be a great feature, and typically not yet something that has reached the UK!
Do you also know when exactly it was when the newest Premium 360′s
In addition to my previous comment, as I accidentally clicked Submit!
Do you also know when exactly it was when the newest Premium 360’s were released and how you can identify which is the most recent and which is the older model, with the tonnes of problems waiting to happen? As I am looking to buy one off eBay for a reasonable price and would want to make sure it has a good remaining warranty and the latest versions to hopefully stop any problems coming my way.
Again, thanks for the fantastic comparison, it has really helped me save a lot of money! I await your (or somebody else’s) response to help me buy my 360 :)
I agree with all, but the part where you say it costs money for the XBox Live subscription, but it also costs money to subscribe to Qore to get demos. That’s not true. If you want Demos a week or two earlier you subscribe to Qore, otherwise (at least from what I’ve seen), you can download all demos (eventually) for free. Makes PSN clearly the winner in that area. Otherwise, I agree with everything else.
I’m pretty sure you get demos free on XBL as well.
I can’t be sure though as I tend to stay an Xbox Gold member as the online experience is easily the best I’ve ever had.
But then I’d know this as I’ve used both XBL and PSN unlike some. :D
same idea, comes out for gold, wait a couple of weeks and get it free
If I Can Say This:
XBox 360: If You Want Hardcore Shooter Games And Spend Hours Playing Halo 3 When You Can Have a GirlFriend
PlayStation 3: If You Want To Have Fun Alot Of Multi-Genre Games Like LittleBigPlanet Its Not A FPS But I Will Play It More Than Alot OF Shooters
In All: XBox=HardCore FPS Gaming PS3:Fun,Variety Wii:Loads Of Fun With Friends,Stupid To Play Alone
No, I’d think it would be…
XBox 360: When you want a wide variety of genres and a much larger library than the PS3′s. Considering of course that genres such as RPGs have plenty more offerings on the 360.
PlayStation 3: When you want to watch blu ray movies with geeks as a girl wouldn’t likely give a damn. Gaming is a secondary function. What other games like LittleBigPlanet does the PS3 have?
In All: Xbox= Best for gaming in terms of a wide variety of games and online experience PS3: Multimedia centre that allows a smaller library of games to be played
Wii: Party and emulation box that makes the perfect side console.
I have a PS3, & am more than happy with it. I keep seeing comments that the hardcore gamer should buy the 360 as if there aren’t any hardcore games out for the PS3. Okay, we don’t have Gears of War 2, or Halo..fair enough, but Resistance 2 (60 players online), Killzone 2, Grand Theft Auto 4 (multiplatform). For driving there’s Motorstorm Pacific Rift, Grid (multiplatform), Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (admittedly, will be better when the full version comes out) Ridge Racer 7. We have the FIFA & PES games, & most sports games are multiplatform. There’s plenty out there. You can no longer say that the PS3 doesn’t have any good games, it has lots. I’ve had almost zero problems with the Playstation network, with no lag, & that’s using the built in wireless. People moan about the forced installs on PS3, but yet installing on the 360 is seen as a good thing (the fact that it’s optional on the 360 is a plus point). Apart from MGS4 which is a bit wierd, it’s usually less than 10 minutes the first time you play the game, & that’s it. If you run out of HDD space, just delete the install data from a game you’re not currently playing, it doesn’t affect your saves as they’re separate.
As for the 360, I couldn’t comment on the user experience or XBOX live as I haven’t used one, but I will say this – I was in Game (UK Store) last week talking to one of the staff & he said that they were still getting faulty 360’s back daily, including the Falcon & Japser units. I don’t know details, it’s just what I was told.
Oh don’t mind me, I’m just trying to irk Odogray.
It was more a retort for my own amusement than based on any facts.
That said, the 360 does have more console exclusives across most if not all genres, and people who say the 360 is for hardcore shooter fans obviously either haven’t owned one or were so poor that Gears and Halo 3 were the only games they bought. Thankfully I don’t have that same problem. And with any console you will get some people who don’t treat their consoles kindly. Plenty of PS3s have been dropping too and I wouldn’t be surprised if improper care was behind some of the newer failures across both consoles (though I have heard there was a fruity batch of PS3s a few months back, 40gb model I think it was…).
What’s ironic is that I notice a lot of PS3 fanboys call the 360 a console for lovers of hardcore shooters yet apart from LittleBigPlanet and MGSIV, most list various shooters as the games to buy for PS3. WTF is up with that?
I’ve owned both the 360 and the PS3 as well as the Wii though I recently traded in my PS3 as it was a newer model devoid of features and I wanted Street Fighter IV Collector’s Edition, Halo Wars Limited Edition and a preorder on a DSi. I do plan on getting another PS3 later on, but I’ll be grabbing one of those old 60gb models that still had all the better features such as more USB ports/card readers, PS2 emulation and whatever else got cut out in newer models.
In the end I’d recommend an end user buy whichever console has the exclusives they’d prefer to own, but there’s a certain variety of PS3 fanboy who pisses me off to put it mildly. =D
rrod is still happening, both me and my friend got it in the newer consoles. We’ve both had them less than a year. All you need to do is google the matter and you will still get plenty of people complaining that it is still happening.
I have a hunch that 99%+ of aforementioned people are merely trying to discredit the 360 or mistreated their console.
Yeah, as with all electronic devices you will get some going fruity (even the PS3′s had some bad units) but, it’s likely bugger all as I don’t see any real hardcore 360 gamers complaining about RRoD on newer consoles. And considering they play theirs more…
Yeah…
i have not mistreated my console, it has plenty of ventaliation and is not near anything emitting heat. RROD happens still and there are plenty of complaints about it still, to deny their existance is either short sightedness or stupidity.
No, it’s just research and personal experience.
I’m doubting you and your totally existent friend have ever owned Xbox 360s. Mostly as you seem to spout a lot of shit. :D
I think there’s fanboys on both sides enough to piss lots of people off. The problem with the fanboys is they only ever really state the Halo, & Gears of War franchises as the main reason to get a 360. I’m sure there’s plenty more out there (I personally haven’t got a clue what except for the multiplatform games), or Microsoft wouldn’t have managed to shift 28 million of them, & considering the reliability reputation that’s not bad going. With the sales between the 2 being pretty close (given the PS3/360 2 year to 3 year thing), I don’t think either of them are going anywhere anytime soon.
As for the multiplatform game argument about which platform they are better on, it’s true that some of the early PS3 ports weren’t exactly up to scratch with the 360 versions, but they were hardly horrid, & most of the times the fanboys were just nitpicking for the sake of it. I keep seeing 360 fans actually say that Fallout 3 looks 100 times better on the 360. I’ve seen the screenshots, & yes the textures do look a little better, but there’s really not that much in it, & I’ve played through the PS3 version, & it’s perfectly fine. The DLC issue is a bit of a sore point. Either do it for all platforms you release the game on, or don’t bother. Personally I’d rather save the money & buy a full new game. I’d had enough of GTA4 by the end, but being able to carry on with Fallout 3 would have been nice.
Like I said, I’m happy with my PS3, & am not bothered for owning another console (my better half has a Wii, which is a laugh now & then). I’ve got a reasonable PC for gaming, & to be fair, a lot of the 360 exclusives do eventually turn up on PC (please hurry up with Fable II, I loved the 1st one).
Right, what to play next, Killzone 2 or Flower? That’s a decision & a half!
Well said.
I think both versions of Fallout 3 had flaws compared to the other. I hadn’t played much of the PS3 version but it did look pretty similar. I think from what I heard the main difference was that the 360 version had more tearing but the PS3 version lacked the anti-aliasing of the 360 version. So either way you’d notice something if you looked hard enough. :D
100 times better is definetely a steaming pile of shit, tis true.
As for your decision, if you like Shooters (I’m not too into them myself) I’d suggest going with Killzone 2, otherwise give Flower a go as I keep hearing it described as an experience and also the prettiest game out on any console. Could just be fanboys bragging, but I do hear it an awful lot so I’d hope it looked great.
Personally I’ll be keeping the exclusives I’m into on PS3 until I grab a 60gb, but so far it’s the usual stated ones and Valkyrie Chronicles (greatly recommended by me if you like tactical RPGs), Disgaia 3 and a couple others.
DLC? They always seem to improve on the original offering so far, GTAIV’s DLC was an interesting new take on things even if it was in the same areas for the better part, Fallout 3′s DLC just makes me impatient for the next bit as I’m way too addicted to the game and each bite makes me want more. You do get a lot of shitty DLC, but often the hyped stuff is of an extremely high quality. I’m just waiting for Rockstar to find a way of releasing the DLC on PS3. I can see it happening if they find a loophole, maybe even something like offering it on a retail disc via stores or something. They’d certainly make enough money on it. :D
from what i’ve heard fallout 3 looks better on the ps3, tho wouldnt kno first hand as i’ve only played thro it on the 360,
As for why people chose 360 for shooter. Sure i like shooters, but certainly won’t buy a console for that. For me i chose the 360 last year for rpgs, tho recently got a ps3 to avoid rrod.
As for DLC, i hate the whole idea behind it, it just seems that your buying a game that seems incomplete.
So buying a game that isn’t complete is worse than buying a console that isn’t complete?
Alright then. ;)
haha, i get ur point, the 360 really is incomplete, rushed out with so many bugs and of coarse rrod ;)
Hah, yeah, As opposed to a console that in some cases fails to detect any hard drive or has it’s blu ray player randomly stop reading discs. That and by the time it realises it’s full potential the next generation of consoles will be out. ;)
Flower does look good, but besides that it’s just such a mellow game to play, just use the sixasis & any button to move you along. There’s absolutely no stress involved whatsoever. Killzone 2 is an awesome game, but every now & then if you just fancy floating along without having to virtually maim, & murder somebody, it’s nice (good to site down to after a long day at work).
hey do any of you guyz kno whats the use of a wireless networking adapter in a xbox 360??
It allows you to connect to the net via a wireless network rather than via an ethernet cable. Personally I’d stick with the wired connection as it’s better for gaming.
Regardless of platform.
(sorry 4 doublepost)
hi.
i share the opinion of the author as he sais
“I am more of an offline gamer when it comes to consoles, so the XBOX 360’s huge advantage of being the superior online gaming system doesn’t apply to me. I just want a console that will do what it’s supposed to do, and do so quietly.”
…and i want the blueray player…
but one point that is much more important to me is:
Which console has the better RPGs?
A friend of mine just told me that XboX 360 has much more and better RPGs then PS3. Something like “Lost Odysee” which is xbox exclusive. and that sony selled their exclusive rights of Final Fantasy :(
i will mosty play RPG and Hack&slay(like god of war) mixed with some racing (like GT) and BeatemUp.
so which console would u say has the better offer in this section of games?
For RPGs? Xbox 360, easily.
For Hack and slash I’d likely say PS3 as Heavenly Sword was quite good albeit short and the next God of War looks pretty good. I don’t think I’ve currently played a hack and slash on the 360 that was overly memorable.
Other RPGs the 360 is the best so far with games like Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon by Mistwalker who have a lot of older Square employees (the guys who made Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger amongst others), It’s also gotten a fair few nice exclusives/console exclusives like Star Ocean 4, The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery and shares a deal of multiplatform RPGs with the PS3 with at least one game (Fallout 3) having some nice exclusive DLC. Whichever console you get, I’d recommend the Genesis/Megadrive collection (depending on your region) as it comes with all four original Phantasy Star games which to me were far superior to any later Phantasy Star games.
I was the kind who preferred the PS2 over the XBOX solely in terms of RPGs on offer, this generation I greatly prefer 360 over PS3.
Just had a look at gamespot, & if you compare RPG’s available for the PS3 & 360, I’d have to agree with Silver at this current moment in time. It isn’t that there aren’t any RPG’s available on the PS3, there’s just more for the 360 at the moment (aaah, Fable II, why aren’t you on PC yet?), & most of the ones available on the PS3 are multiplatform anyway. We’re still waiting for White Knight Chronicles to come to Europe. Just started Eternal Sonata yesterday, & I understand that it has some extras over the 360 version due to a (lot) later release date.
If you do have a gaming PC, a fair few of the 360 RPG’s are available, or coming out on this – The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom, Two Worlds, Phantasy Star Universe, Fallout 3, Mass Effect & Oblivion spring to mind (some of these are also available on PS3).
I’m sure PS3 will get some more RPG’s at some point, if they don’t give away exclusivity for everything to Microsoft.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Phantasy Star Universe is evil.
At least the single player is.
It is a pervasion of what the series once was!
Eternal Sonata extras?
Quite right.
And they add enough to the game to make it feel a good deal more complete than the 360 version. If you have a choice between both versions, go with the PS3 version.
I’m all about the PC right now, I was looking for a console but when I got burnout on PC i said “wow”. I’m not supporting PS3 or 360, because I want the PC to win…
bwaahhahaaha
To be fair, there’s no way the PC can lose. It’s just way too much more powerful so long as you get a system with decent specs.
A good PC can make both the PS3 AND xbox 360 look shit.
Thanks alot for this guide, im still unsure… A couple of my friends have PS3s, a couple have XBOX’s. SO im stuck. Ive never had a xbox or ps, so… what would be other ppl;s recommendations?
I’d recommend you look at which console has the more games you’d want.
Both are fairly expensive so if you buy one and there’s not as many games of your preferred genre…
Ouch.
I’d recommend the PS3, but then I’m biased.
Ask yourself some questions:
1. Do you want Blu-Ray (have you got or planning to get a HD tv). + for PS3
I assume from having friends with these consoles, you want to play online, in which case:
2. Do you mind paying for it. Apart from Cross game chat on Xbox Live, I haven’t heard anything compelling enough for me to want to pay for online, but that’s a personal choice. I’m sure it is better than PSN, that’s what 360 owners say on these forums, but PSN is improving with firmware updates all the time. It’s a perfectly good online service now. + on price for PS3 + on service for 360.
4. Do you want to use wireless, if yes, then you’ll have to pay additional for it on the 360, but then the console is cheaper to start with. + for PS3.
5. Do you want to have to installs forced upon you, or do you want the option, it’s not that big a deal really, but some people make an issue out of it. A lot of people are now installing games onto the 360 anyway, as it’s quicker & quieter than the 360′s DVD drive, which I’ve heard sounds like a ferrell cat chewing a brick, which brings us to
6. Noise level – You can quieten the 360 down a bit by installing games, but the PS3 is quieter, end of.
7. Aesthetics, do you want a console that looks like a shiny George Foreman grill, or one that looks like a wheelie bin, with a breeze block leashed to it (Power Supply).
8. Reliability. The PS3′s reliability isn’t in question. Microsoft says they’ve sorted the 360, but see the end of my post 6th March 12:44am, & remember the 3 year extended only covers the RROD. Any electrical equipment can fail, & you could be unlucky with a PS3, or lucky with a 360, but we all know which ways the odds are stacked.
9. The games, by far the most important bit. Killzone 2/Metal Gear Solid 4, or Halo 3/Gears of War 2. Forza or GT5/Motorstorm PR (sorry, I don’t know any other exclusive driving games for the 360) + you should think of what else is due out for both consoles.
I think that’s everything. Hope this helps.
Or buy a Wii, sorry I lost all common sense for a second then. It’s not that it’s a bad console, but I haven’t seen anything except Mario Kart on it that would hold my attention for more than 5 minutes.
Again, I apologise for my outburst, & I’m now going away to discipline myself with a 20lb lump hammer, & some cheese wire.
I don’t know about everybody else but I went through two 360s before I gave up. When I got my third system back I traded it for a ps3. I have wanted one anyway and was not going to wait and see that red ring of death for a third time. I think the graphics are the same no better or worse but I’m not a graphics expert either. I do however enjoy the blu-ray and free online forum with the ps3 I don’t play much interactive on-line gaming but do like to download games from time to time and it is nice to only have to pay for the game and not the privilege to download it. The original xbox was a great system not one problem and when the 360 came out I traded up immediately but unfortunately suffered from one break down to the next, I don’t expect any system to last forever but a few years would be nice.
What do you mean ‘pay for the privilege to download’? I’m thinking I might be missing something but with either console you just buy it and then download it. Don’t quote me on it but I think the software licenses on each console are what allow you to download any content you’ve already purchased whenever you want it.
If you liked the 360 I’d suggest buying a newer revision as they’re about as sturdy as a PS3 now, but ultimately it’s up to you, especially considering the price and how big a gamer you are. And either way there is a free online forum you can use, the 360′s is at the main xbox site. Easy stuff.
Good discussion; I read all 3 and must say the author did a good job in conducting a thorough and objective research. Like he said – Go for the one that appeals to you best. I personally bought all 3, and each has its own advantages and disadvantages. I got PS3 mainly because I want to take advantage of its Bluray playability, while xBox excels at delivering downloadable contents plus its huge selection of titles. Wii – let’s just say I also enjoy playing games with my retired parents, heheh.
So, the point is – go for whichever that does what you want best, and if you want to afford all 3 (and maybe plus other portables), work and save real hard, buy them all and enjoy taking advantage of each console. After all, competition is good for us and our money, and we should be happy!
Peace, out!
wow silver you have replied to everyone that has said something good about a Ps3 are you working for Microsoft or your just some dumb kid annoying 360 fan boy.
i have both and enjoy both.
i play my ps3 more because i don’t like paying for online play.
and i just generally like it better i don’t know why.
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No but seriously, I need something to do in circumstances where I’m officially working. Pointless stuff like this is fun and a subscription means I get an email telling me when someone else has commented.
I play my 360 more because I’m not a multimedia nut. I just like to play games.
and i just generally like it better and i know why.
Silver,
I bought an XBOX360 this past thanksgiving and I got a RROD last week. Yes, that’s 4 months with a new system – (november 08 to march 09)
Silver, maybe next time you could say that you get the feeling that the RROD is not happening as much anymore because to me it sounds like you have a horse in this race.
I think i’m going to get a PS3, the 360 was fun but i never got used to the controller, it is a loud system and I do wat the blu-ray.
Thanksgiving’s that thing Americans do where they eat turkey, yeah?
I can eat turkey whenever I want. :D
At one stage I had three horses in the race, then I sold the PS3 and went down to two horses in the race. And when another PS3 game comes out and catches my eye (likely Heavy Rain) I’ll be buying an older 60gb PS3 via the web as well as a nice oversized hard drive for it.
Your new 360 was loud? I’ve noticed the newer ones are a good deal quieter than the older ones so maybe your friendly game store employee decided he’d sell you an older revision. In all seriousness the elite I’ve been using for almost a year now purs fairly quietly. I’ve never actually noticed it unless I had my sound right down.
As for the controller, yeah, I’ve noticed some people dislike using one or the other design. In the case of me, my larger hands mean I love controllers like the xbox, gamecube and dreamcast ones, but my mate with smaller hands gets pains from them so he prefers the PSX/2/3 controllers as well as one of the smaller Wingman pads for PC. One bit of advice I can give you is if you have a favoured controller, look for a universal controller in that shape. I’m not sure if there are any for the newer consoles, but there are plenty of PS2/Xbox/PC universal gamepads out there which can be a big help when playing on a mate’s console.
even though the xbox 360 gets the red ring of death atleast microsoft fixes it but when the ps3 gets the yellow light which means it died out sony doesnt fix it plus it also has another red light which means that you cant play it anymore. Plus the 360 actually has memoey slots
Microsoft might fix the RROD within 3 years, but that doesn’t alter the fact that if you’ve now got a launch machine it could well be out of warranty, & it’s tough. Also, what about faulty DVD drives that scratch discs to the point they’re unreadable, & the E74 & other error messages that aren’t that irregular on the 360, & not covered under the extended warranty. No-one knows (& Microsoft won’t tell) how many 360′s sold are to replace dead machines not under the warranty, or because hardcore gamers with a big game collections have 2 consoles so that when one goes up the spout, they can still game when it goes in for repair. I’d love to see those figures. Could be quite enlightening.
Hey, I was just reading through the articles and I must say that it is fairly well written. So congratulations on that.
Im not sure how many of you 360 owners actually know what causes the rrod, but if your warranty has run out I recommend that you open up the case (simple task), remove the x-clamps from underneath the heatsink and just attach it with screws. The overheating problems happens because the heatsink is pressurizing the motherboard and thus not allowing the air to circulate. Of course its not just this take creates the rrod, but still the main reason.
Microsoft should have taken their time when they were constructing their console to make sure that simple flaws like these did not occur. Moreover, if you still have your warranty, I suggest that you send the console to microsoft. However, if your warranty is basically gone, DO NOT pay £90 or $120 to get it repaired. Fix it yourself, Anyone with some knowledge of computing can do it. I have a Ps3 and a 360 and I prefer the 360 however the difference between them is now pretty much non-existent. I suppose its up to individual differences as to whether you decide to buy the Sony or the Microsoft console.
Lastly, gaming still has a long way to go in terms of achieving the true enganging experience. I’m starting to notice that being stuck to the tv for hours playing on the original playstation, doesn’t happen now with the modern consoles. I wonder why?….
I believe some universities buy a shitload of PS3s for playing with.
Apparently the cell processors excite them a good deal more than the games do, but anyhoo…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjVP4KyZhf4
He has ONE HUNDRED PS3s! lulz
I own both systems, and they both do a wonderful great job at both multi-media, games, online game demos and movies, and online play. Here’s the one thing that defines the two consoles apart. 360 has a more powerful, more equipped with more shaders and anti-aliasing graphics GPU than the PS3. This is a fact, it will always be a fact. So if your looking at the systems from there GPU performance alone, the 360 wins, fact. If your looking from CPU performance alone, PS3 wins, fact. Here’s another factor to add. Xbox 360 has a 12x DVD drive which reads at 16 MB (mega bytes) (I’m not using mega-bits here) per second, while the PS3 has a 2X Blu-ray drive which reads at 9 MB per second. Obviously the 360 loads games and movies faster than the PS3, fact. I’ve stated 3 facts, 2 supporting the 360, and 1 supporting the PS3. Wanna tie it? That’s easy, PS3 has blu-ray up to 50GB which beats DVD at only 9GB. There, score is tied, PS3 and 360 are equal on that scale, but the fact remains, anti-aliasing and shader pixels are dominant on the 360 which results in mostly better looking games due to the ATI xenos GPU with 10mb extra daughter die. I’ve studied this since the systems came out, and in terms of graphical power, you can’t beat the 360 unless you made a brand new system to compete against it. Disc speed will always be faster in the 360 as well, resulting in faster load times and no frame rate drops like the PS3 is known for in multi-platform games due to only 9MB per second blu-ray drive versus 16MB per second DVD drive. That’s 7MB difference, and that’s why games load faster and frame rates don’t drop on the 360.
honestly i have had 13 xboxs and i refuse t5o buy another one. the ps3 is hitting its stride and xbox is dying. xbox has no real good plans for 09 and seems to be going backwards. most of my friends are making the switch problem with ps3 is thatyou cant talk to your friend universally while playing game this defeats xbox online advantage. but unlike the xbox the ps3 is still growing and xbox has seemed to have topped out.. in this article you said it we havent seen what ps3 can do and graphics arent all about the card. i still at this point believe that xbox has a huge fan base and it will take sony years to catch up , but ill have to wait till 2010 to see what the year was like for ps3 . many more years like this what will 360 do. I think xbox didnt add enough feature in their system and didnt plan for the future well. microsoft will be killing off the 360 just like the original xbox soon and be looking to a new system that will probably be eqivalent to a ps3 at that time. The ten year plan is working and probably explains why sony is reluctant for a price drop.
I tell you people geta ps3 it5s worth the moeny and you will use it more than your xbox
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Apart from snagging Star Ocean IV as another exclusive RPG of course. And that ain’t all it’s getting. I hear the 360′s getting a slew of console exclusives such as Age of Conan, Velvet Assassin, Age of Pirates: Captain Blood, Alan Wake, Huxley, Shadow Harvest, Theseis, Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Conviction, Two Worlds: The Temptation, Venetica and Voodoo Nights among others. Actual exclusives? Besides Star Ocean: The Last Hope, there’s also RACE Pro, Halo Wars, Ninja Blade (which I’m personally excited about. As a big fan of much of the work of both Capcom and Production I.G., I’m almost certain it’ll be awesome), Demons of Mercy, Forza Motorsport 3, Halo 3: ODST and Formula One 2009. Not only is that a nice list, it’s also quite varied.
PS3 has what announced for 2009? I mean I know Killzone is out and I know it’s getting some baseball game, but…
Nah, yanking your chain. PS3 does get some good titles, notably Heavy Rain: The Origami Killer, inFamous, L.A. Noire, Supercar Challenge, Uncharted 2 and WarDevil: Unleash the Beast Within.
The 360 is far from dead and as NXE showed, it’s still capable of putting new things on the table and unlike the PS3, it isn’t constantly losing more and more features which are likely the main thing behind the price cuts.
I think the real problem for some people is they want their console for more than gaming. Someone like me would buy the best console and a good entertainment unit rather than using the one machine to do everything half-assed. The advantages of being able to do more things simultaneously easier more than makes up for the extra space taken up.
and honestly i have had 15 playstations and they all died of cancer so i refuse to buy another one. the xbox 360 is very lively and the playstation has been feature crippled. ROFL
13!!!! Holy sh*t! That’s hard-core, man.
Honestly, I have owned one so far and if it broke I would throw it out, sell my games and buy a PS3!!!!
I agree that the console winner depends on it’s purchaser. I purchased an Xbox 360 about a year after launch, and it it died about 2 years after. I don’t consider myself a big time gamer since I only owned a some games (Halo 3, GoW 1/2, GTA IV, Lonely Planet, Orange Box, FIFA ’08, FIFA Street) and the system died after 2 RRODs. I did use the HD DVD player now a dead format, but I still use it on my PC to watch some movies. I know have a Playstation 3 because of Blu-ray and I only owned one game for it MGS4. I think when it comes to it it’s that game developers specially in these hard times are looking for the cheaper alternative which is the Xbox 360. It’s easy to code for and you have a wider audience that may like your game. This is the reason lot’s of the the PS3 games are mostly ports and rarely originals. I think Sony has completely over estimated Blu-ray, and took the popularity of DVD they nailed with the PS2 and moved it over with BD on the PS3. Everyone is calling for price cuts, but I don’t see them coming as PS3s are now the cheapest possible at $399. Microsoft to that affect learned a lesson from their first Xbox and that is good doesn’t sell, you need to snag people with a good console and then make some good games but forget the hardware reliability. Most “Jasper” buyers are on their second or third 360, and it’s design is modular on purpose to sell accessories. Sony should’ve stuck with ease of developing that the PS/PS2 had. The only way I see them lowering their consoles is to change the game by making the console like the 360. No HDD but internal memory to run the OS and save a game or two. No BD, DVD only, no WIFI, or BT. They can see dongles and add a slot for an HDD or proprietary BD stand alone.
Two or three Jaspers? I don’t know of a single person who’s honestly gone through more than one of the newest revisions.
And while your post shows some insight into why things are going as they’re going I feel I should point out one thing. If the PS3 loses it’s BD and HDD, all current games would be rendered unplayable as they’re all on BD media. And even if they weren’t enough games actually require the HDD that it’s become completely neccesary. So, they’d have to make some sort of PS3-2 games that will run on the revised system rather than current PS3 titles.
Sony have already stated the Blu-Ray is staying, & they have no plans to remove it from the PS3. It’d be a stupid idea anyway. Webterractive, you stated that they should have stuck with the ease of developing that the PS/PS2 had. The PS2 was not easy to develop for at the time, & there was a learning curve for that as well. Look at the original PS2 games like Midnight Club against the later ones like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, etc – the difference is massive. You say that developers will use the 360 because there is a wider audience, & it’s easier to code for. While true, there are a couple of other options to consider. 1. The Sales figures 28 mil vs 21 mil in favour of the 360, fine, but how many of those 28 mil are 2nd or 3rd 360′s bought by gamers who’s warranty was either out, or didn’t cover them. It’s easier, & quicker (& probably not much more expensive) to go to a shop & buy an new one than wait for Microsoft to replace/repair it. No one knows, & I believe that the 7 million sales lead will include some 360′s that were put in the bin. 2. Piracy, there isn’t any on the PS3, so anyone who has a game on the system has paid for it, the same can’t be said for the 360 – yes, it can mess up your Gold account, but not everybody with a 360 goes online. So again, which is the best platform for developers to work on – I think there’s positives to making games for both sides. Oh, & Silver, I think the PS3 has done losing features like 7 months ago, I don’t think there’s anything else they can take out of it, except maybe the power supply, & the wi-fi, & the Hi-Def movie player, & sell them seperately at a slightly more than reasonable markup, oh no, that’s been done already – just yanking your chain! Personally I’m not bothered about the extra USB slots or the card readers, the PS2 B/C would have been nice, but on the other hand, I tried my PS2 on the HD TV before I got the PS3, & the games looked awful. Don’t know how the PS3 handles improving PS2 games, but I’m happy without.
I’m just throwing ideas out there, I mean it is true that most games right now will be unplayable, but you can always download them if you get an HDD. As for future releases they should be either BD/DVD or download. I mean it wouldn’t be any different then losing backwards compatiablity.
In theory, downloadable games are good, but like downloadable movies, it’s not (I won’t say never) going to replace discs anytime soon. Downloaded movies aren’t as good quality as Blu-Ray even if the resolution matches (bit-rate anyone, gotta keep the size down somehow). As for downloading games – most of them are now filling a dual layer DVD so that’s 9GB. I know some of you are lucky enough to have all singing all dancing broadband, but a lot of homes in the UK are either like us restricted on speed, or lumbered with a monthly download limit. Imagine trying to download 9GB at 450kb/s absolute max. It’d basically mean my internet was unuseable for hours, & my ISP may moan at me if I wanted more than 2 or 3 games a month. If I even looked at a download the size of a Blu-Ray, I wouldn’t be able to play Killzone 2 online until I’m at a pensionable age. Also, We’d all need huge HDD’s, which would then eat into the cost reduction of removing the Blu-Ray. One day in a Star Fleet type future we’ll all have access to unlimited information at the tips of our fingertips, no limits, no costs, & disc media will no longer be needed. Right now discs are a requirement, & Blu-Ray is a good way forward from DVD, & looking at the likes of MGS4 & Killzone 2, it was a good choice + I actually like owning a shiny plastic box with a shiny shiny disc in it for both movies & games. Downloads have their place, as proven by the likes of the PSN & Xbox stores, but it’s going to be a long time until solid media isn’t needed.
As for the price drop for the PS3 that everybody keeps harping on about (probably slowing down PS3 sales while everybody waits for something that Sony keeps refuting), yes, it’d be a good thing – it always is, but I got the impression from something I read today (ooh, the internet – who knows if it’s true!) that the 360 didn’t have it’s price reduction until further into it’s life than the PS3 currently is. Sony is after all, a company trying to make money, & the userbase isn’t that much smaller than the 360′s given the amount of time it’s been out, & the price difference. It seems like both the PS3 & 360 are doing perfectly fine for sales, & we might not actually need to see a one horse race this gen (after all the Wii is wiping the floor with everything, but that for me is not where the good games are). Sorry if this stretched on a bit, got carried away.
Has anyone else heard about another price drop coming soon for the PS3? Just curious if this rumor is founded.
Best article on the subject without obvious “fanboy-isms”. I have both 360 and PS3, I play both, almost daily. My 360 suffered the RRoD however I want to make a point that PS3s are not completely immune to similar “Red blinking light of Death” which my PS3 suffered… I understand this is extremely rare and as it turns out there’s no extended warranty for this… $150 later I got my PS3 exchanged for a new one, which, by the way, will not accept the old hard drive without reformatting it, this was extremely disappointing… 360 allows you to use your hard drive in any 360, PS3 does not.
My comments (mostly technical points) on the conclusion re “pros and cons”
I’m not 100% convinced about the 1st point “If you primarily play online games, you will want to get an Xbox 360” I have both, I play online with both, I have played CoD WAW online with both, from my point of view the only difference is with 360 you pay for online gaming and with PS3 online gaming is included when you buy a PS.
There are “achievement whores” for 360 however there are also “trophy whores” for PS3, I’m both…
Regarding “better graphics”, almost every dual console game does look better on the 360 but I do not believe this has as much to do with hardware… I believe it has more to do with the game developers use of that console’s hardware, I’ve only seen 1 dual console game look better on the PS3, that is Oblivion, which I played about 150 hours on the PS3 before I saw it on the 360 and I almost fell over… it proved (to me at least) that any game can be developed to “look better” on any given console depending on the development of that game.
I do agree on the Blu-Ray movie comment, I almost exclusively watch Blu-Ray… and that is what drove me to PS3 in the 1st place, when people talk about PS3 they almost always talk about gaming and forget about the other “little” war Sony fought and won… the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war… While 360 tried to get me to buy this $150 part so I could watch HD-DVD, Sony included Blu-Ray, (IMO as part of Sony’s Betamax loss revenge…) When I bought my PS3 for $600 a Blu-Ray player was about $1000 so I though the PS3 was a bargain, and I get to play games…
Other little things like Wireless LAN, Bluetooth, usability of off-the-shelf items like hard drives and memory sticks while 360 is completely out of their freaking minds with their pricing… one 512M memory for 360 was about $50… I get 8G of mem for PS3 for that… $150 for a 120G hard drive for 360, for $75 I get 250G for the PS3…
Pricing comparisons always seem skewed, $600 vs $400, $500 vs $400, $400 vs $300 etc. exactly what are they comparing? The price on the box? This means almost nothing… when doing a price comparison we should always compare as like-for-like as possible, ie game console, features, functionality, capabilities etc.. if Sony made a PS3 without BR or wireless I’m fairly sure the price on the box would compare to 360’s, after all, did anyone who only owns a 360 go out and buy a Blu-Ray player? They’re expensive aren’t they? PS3 owners don’t need to buy one of those… and if you buy the wireless devise for the 360 all pricing comps I’ve seen look more like marketing tactics… especially when you get your 360 home and want to play online with your friends… pricing comps always seem to leave these things out…
I (personally) do not agree with comparing 360 vs Wii vs PS3 units sold. I guess it might make some sense at some level but not much, not while PS2 is still available, and PS2 titles are still being released… Xbox did a great thing for the 360 when they discontinued all Xbox (1) consoles and titles… Nintendo did the same by discontinuing the GameCube, PS3 would benefit the same is PS2 were discontinued, which we could then have a like-for-like comp all around…
Like-for-like would also comp Xbox Live vs Playstation Network, and like all 360 vs PS3 comps, start with the price. (I personally hate it I start up a game online and get the message from MS wanting more $ to continue enjoying Xbox Live…)
In the end I believe it’s really all about the games! The reality is gamers are either Halo fans or Killzone fans, Gears of War fans or Metal Gear Solid fans etc. etc. etc. I happen to be a Left 4 Dead fan (at the moment), also since I have both consoles I play games based on available or soon to be available or most likely to be available DLC and/or Expansion Packs… ie, Oblivion might look better on the PS3 but 360 have about 12 expansion packs, Fallout 3 looks about the same on both consoles but 360 has 3 expansion packs for Xbox, also GTA4 etc. etc. which brings me to my next point, when it comes to game developers, it is very clear (at least to me) which console is preferred to develop games for… 360 by a long shot… also might have something to do with $$$…
However, I believe 360 has reached it’s peak, an excellent peak and still an excellent game console but I do not believe there will be any gaming experience enhancements for the 360. The PS3 is late but game developers are “learning” how to utilize the PS3’s Cell potential, which means gaming experience will be enhanced as this continues… if I were buying my 1st gaming console today I would buy the PS3, unless I need to play 360 exclusives…
I would love to see the Xbox roadmap… what is the MS plan re the HD-DVD failure???? I guess Xbox will be OK if they stick to downloadable content… and what of wireless LAN, Bluetooth, 3rd party hard drives and memory??? whatever it is I’m sure it will be good and I look forward to the next Xbox thing…
Final comment, MS is obviously a software giant but not strong in the hardware dept… Sony is obviously a hardware giant but not strong in the software dept… makes me think… what if…
Killzone 2 is broken, mgs4 is a movie, and the ps3 controller is to small. Im tired of diffending the ps3. All the hipe from fanboys about future releases. I will believe it when i play it.Cod 4 was ground breaking, nothing since then has compaired in my opinion. Im sure theres alot of people who would disagree.
I do disagree, & that’s just your opinion. My opinion is:
Killzone 2 is awesome – if you don’t like the controls that’s your problem & your opinion, personally I like the fact that it’s not a twitch shooter. Not every FPS has to be like COD4 to be good.
MGS4 is an interactive experience. It’s different to anything else out there, & you will either love it or hate it. Same with the likes of Final Fantasy games.
PS3 controller – nothing wrong with it (now that rumble is back in it). Again personal preference, & no I don’t have little hands.
Why is COD4 groundbreaking? It’s an awesome game, don’t get me wrong, but it’s just another FPS like Killzone 2, & so many others out there, it just does the basics right, & throws in a good multiplayer mode.
I do disagree, & that’s just your opinion. My opinion is:
Killzone 2 is solid, but somewhat generic and lacks the large hardcore community of CoD4 that really make winning feel like an achievement. Then again, I’m not really a shooter player but this is just my opinion. ;)
MGS4 is an interactive experience with horrible, horrible installs that ruin the interactivity to some extent. Great game, but things like that irk me, it reminded me on some of those old PSX platformers where the level would take longer to load than you’d take to complete it. Sad. Also, it is my opinion that Final Fantasy kicks MGS’s butt horribly. RPGs 4 lyfe!
PS3 Controller – my hands are bigger than yours. lulz
Why is Killzone 2 groundbreaking? It’s a solid game, don’t get me wrong, but it’s just another FPS like CoD4, & so many others out there, it just does the graphics right and has a decent singleplayer campaign.
I think the point about the wireless adapter is a very underrated one,as well as the fact that you have to pay for xbox live gold, because after these add-ons which in this day and age are important in the gaming world, the xbox is actually more expensive than an 80 gb PS3.
not sure your sums work. £160 for the 60gb console (amazon) plus £55 for wireless adaptor (amazon) and £34 for 1 year gold subscription (again amazon). that adds up to £249 by my calcs. still £40 cheaper than £290 for the ps3 bundle. And bear in mind you can reduce that amount by going for a 3rd part wifi access point, or buy it at GAME where they have the wifi adapter for £40. What’s more, none of this is essential. Going by the figures provided online, roughly 1/3 of all 360 owners couldn’t give a monkeys about playing online. so why should they pay for it? Furthermore, how long do you think
Sony will be able to maintain the free online gameplay? they have already started to charge developers to provide content on their servers to pay towards the running costs. If they want too provide a service as good as the subscription based 360, they will have to find the money from somewhere.
And here’s a little thought – the 360 solution allows you to make use of a 300mbps wireless ‘n’ setup buy simply buying a wireless n accesspoint. the ps3 is stuck with a 54mbps wireless g configuration. so much for being the more advanced console, eh?
As I like to say, you get what you pay for.
I had both systems with pretty much every peripheral and I’d be lying if I didn’t say I found the 360 a good deal better for gaming. The PS3′s better for pretty much everything other than gaming, but then my laptop can do all that and more and I’m pretty sure it predates the PS3. I’m waiting until I can get a better laptop with a premium version of Windows 7, even if it takes a few more months.
When you pay as much as they require you to, yeah the 360 may very well be costlier but it has a better online experience, the rechargable batteries don’t seem to die as fast (though I’ve only used two PS3 controllers so this mightn’t be the rule), the messenger kit for the 360 is better integrated with a sturdier design as opposed to the PS3 one that has soft keys that go over the top of the middle buttons and feel odd, the 360 has more (but not neccesarily better depending on your individual tastes) games and despite a few people saying otherwise, newer 360 units are durable enough that they seldomly fail unless you do something stupid like leave them in a dusty place, drop them repeatedly or hit them with a boot or other hard object.
The whole reason I prefer the 360 is the smaller touches and also that I feel it does it’s primary function the best. I couldn’t give two shits for video playing capabilities, the ability to run Linux (though it does open up a ton of ways to play illegal roms for those that way inclined, personally I recommend just buying an old nintendo or sega on ebay as they tend to be cheap as chips and nothing beats the real thing) and I really couldn’t give a damn for a cell processor not optimised for gaming that is actually left largely unused for most games.
Silver… “You get what you pay for” is so convenient… it’s a last resort phrase… when all else fails, well, you get what you pay for…
If we’re weighting price (in other words, the reason why people buy something over something else is mostly based on the price…) then free always beats not free, no? XBL has things PSN does not but I never use those things… when I play online with XBL (L4D, CoD) I kill, I get killed, I talk to my team, they talk to me, no difference then PSN (KZ2 and CoD) these titles are my most resent comparisons….
BTW, since I’ve owned my PS3 it kills me every time my XBL subscription is due… at least MS dropped the price a bit, now $40 per year…
Last resort? Puh-lease
It’s just a simpler way of saying that I like a better implemented system that allows easir adding of friends to games, easier voice chat methods, an almost always consistently stable playing experience which I’m yet to get from anything bar a PC or 360. I also prefer that I can play games right away in all bar few cases while the PS3′s best games have almost always had a larger install time then I would have liked. And not optional neither, I can’t jump in right away and install later if I feel I’ll play the game a lot.
Free is rarely best. I’d rather go a premium jarlsberg cheese and shnitzel burger on a fresh roll with an Austrian beer than whatever’s in the dumpster coupled with a bottle of piss some drunk left lying around. lulz.
I haven’t used the PS3 online service, but yeah it makes sense that you get what
you pay for.
simpler… I wont argue with that… your comment is truly simple… lulz… your opinion is yours but your facts are wrong… unlike most reviewers I actually own and play both systems, so I already know exactly how each work, don’t work etc. some examples: your adding friends comment is ridiculous, I add friends on both systems, while the graphical interface (which I like 360’s GI better then PS3’s GI) is different the process is the same, the capabilities are the same, the outcome is the same… at a high level you end up with a list of friends, you can see trophies, you can compare trophies etc… And the 360 does not have an “easier” chat method, you’re talking about chatting with a friend while playing a game or whatever, the PS3 does not have this feature, so the 360 has the ONLY chat feature, that’s part of the “added value” for paying $40 per month (MS resent price drop, I wonder why…), the 360 chat feature I never use as both consoles work identically when playing online and chatting with your team… another example is your stability comment, I know what “almost” always means because I play on my 360, and I know it has issues, as well as my PC, as well as any technology, now you can talk about little issues all you like however I’m only interested in the big ones, 360s RRoD and laser burning of discs… my 360 suffered RRoD and 3 laser burnt discs.. MS even has a damaged disc replacement policy for $20 but that’s only good for MS games….Sony doesn’t have extended warranties or damaged disc replacement policies ass they don’t have these issues… so I just don’t see your point on consistently stable… I’ll even give you for the RRoD, MS maybe released the hardware a bit early without thoroughly testing it and that is now fixed, but the disc laser burning… how would you put it?… they took a DVD drive from the dumpster…. As for instant game play vs large install, I personally like the large install as opposed to the “loading” while in game, not all games on the 360 do this but I can speak with confidence talk about Oblivion, which I own owned and played on both systems, while the 360 caches the data to the HDD and loads the new data while in game, there is a noticeable interruption I can do without… these loading interruptions never happen when you do the large install since all the game data in already on the HDD, of course that install can be quite long and that is the obvious downside. Lastly, your schnitzel burger is not a comparison (unless you’re talking about the other definition…lulz) like you it’s a simple hater comment… the Xbox fanboys’ default position….
My facts are likely correct as I have an interest in console hardware as well as emulation and check up on new developments fairly soon in general. Not that it should matter. Until recently when I decided I’d grab one of the better older model PS3s at a later date I had the PS3, 360 and Wii. I decided since my newer PS3 was feature stripped I’d use it as a trade-in on a preorder for a DSi and a couple of special editions of games. It was that or give it away or something, but I figured my way was a good way of saving money.
The 360′s GUI is what makes the gaming experience so much better. It’s more conveniant and user intuitive which is what really matters. Yeah, you might be able to do most things on both when it comes down to it, but when one is a chore and the other isn’t, there’s a good argumentative point there.
And no, I literally meant easier. Easier to just guide button and then add someone into the chat while playing whatever game. And yeah, when the PS3 can’t do some things, then isn’t that in favour of the 360? Last I checked that was how things worked. I know chatting is possible as I owned a blu-tooth headset, I just remember it as not working as well as the system on the 360.
Yeah, I did say almost. A couple of down days a year beats what I remembered on the PS3. I also noticed lag on the PS3 where I’d never had it on the 360. There are some exceptions to the rule like Castle Crashers when it came out, but all in all, XBL has well and truly beaten PSN for me.
And the laser burning discs issues still occur on newer models? That I was unaware of and will have to look into. I had heard they were fixing that problem on consoles sent in and newer models as the problem was a really simple one.
As for my installs argument, it’s for the option. I myself prefer to install games I plan on heavily playing. BUT I like it being optional as there’s nothing more sucky then buying a game you’ve been totally excited for and then not being able to play it instantly due to installs. At least with the 360 I can play a good deal before installing the game while I do something else like eating or watching a DVD or something.
And lastly, my schnitzel burger is a good comparison. It shows exactly how you get what you pay for, and I notice that when I buy everything for both consoles, though the 360 does get more expensive, it’s definetely a better experience. And yeah, that is my opinion, just as what you typed up is just your opinion. Reminds me of a song actually…
Excerpt (Nirvana’s Opinion):
Congratulations you have won
It’s a year subscription of bad puns
And a make-shift story of concern
And you set it up, before it burns
Our opinions. Mmm. Mmm.
Your opinions. Mmm. Mmm. (x3)
My opinions. Mmm. Mmm
So we’re soft of in agreement…
The GUI looks better on the 360, no argument, I did say in my comment I liked it better… however the PS3 does has the same functionality…
I’m not arguing the whole guide button ease to chat with friends while in a game, like when playing on the PS3 I only chat with my teammates, the PS3 does not have the ability to chat outside the game you’re in which is in favor of the 360, no argument, but I still don’t use that functionality.
As for the headset, get a better headset, personally I use an Astro A40 for both and I couldn’t be happier… never had an issue on either console.
As for the lag, you have to be more specific, I play online and offline games on both, I believe any lag experienced with either console has more to do with the game then the console… some examples, Oblivion plays better on the PS3, Madden 09 plays better on the 360, CoD play the same on both … at least that’s what I’ve experienced. And that’s another reason I own both, so I get the best of both worlds… pricing aside XBL has more then PSN, again I am saying I don’t use those added features, in fact I would like XBL Silver to allow me to play games online for free without the added features… anyone who wants the additional features can buy XBL Gold…
I can’t say which model the laser disc burning happens, I have the original one with RRoD repaired, it happened to me 3 times, 2 of which I was able take advantage of the MS damaged disc replacement plan…
I cant argue with your install argument, you’re right, when I bought GTAIV I bought it for the PS3 and had to wait about 20 killer minutes to play, then to boot the 360 comes out with GTAIV DLC…
We can agree to disagree on your last point, if XBL is a Schnitzel burger then PSN is a good edible burger and is not “whatever’s in the dumpster…” while one might be better then the other they are both burgers and in the end you’re either paying $40 for a burger… or not… unfortunately I’m forced to pay $40 for a burger where I throw everything away except the meat.
The 360 keypad is freaking awesome! It looks great too.
peter… a fair like-for-like price comparison would include the now obsolete Xbox HDDVD drive… and unless you are only playing online for 1 year a 1 year XBL subscription is not enough… to be fair you need to calculate XBL for the life of the console…
also the NO console is “stuck” with a 54mbps wireless adapter… you don’t really think Xbox has the external wireless adapter market cornered do you??? i can get an external wireless adapter for my fridge…
I wondered how long it would take before the whole “Sony charging developers for bandwidth” came into the forums, not long apparently. As far as that’s concerned a developer can add 16 pence or cents, or whatever it is to the cost of every GB for all I care, how many downloads are much above a GB, not many. Also, the Sony “will” charge for online at some point has been thrown around for quite some time now. It’s the same rumour mill that’s been throwing around such gems as PS3 without Blu-Ray, Halo on PS3, MGS4 on 360, & the ever repeating price drop predicted for next month or next week or yesterday. It’ll happen when it happens, & all the rumours & bad press do is slow current PS3 sales as people wait to see what happens. As for the 300mpbs vs the 54mps argument, I see your logic, but 54mpbs is still way faster than a lot of peoples internet connections, which means the benefit of 300mpbs is generally lost anyway plus I don’t have to have any extra hardware & cables, etc lying around, & if I really did have problems, I an use the ethernet option, same as 360. I do agree with the cost thing though. On a most basic level the 360 is cheaper, & you can fiddle the figures both ways, but I’m sure if you do look around & buy clever when it comes to the extras, you can still get away with a good featured 360 for less than a PS3. My opinion is that the Sony bashing campaign is running out of useful ammunition, & just throwing around bull***t around, grabbing onto any little tidbits they can get, & making stuff up when they can’t. I think the PS3 is worth the extra cash, the 360 looks cheap to me. I went into Tesco yesterday (sorry, dragged by my better half), & had a browse round the console bit, there were 2 displays for the 360, one was empty, & the other had a 360 with 2 flashing red lights on it (left side, overheating I believe) & a no signal message on the screen. Out of all the times I’ve been into a game shop, more times than not the 360′s on display have been broken. Sorry, but as wonderful a console as the 360 may be, I couldn’t bring myself to buy one when I’ve already got what I need at home.
Luckily for me my room looks pretty shit so I don’t need all my appliances to look like works of art. Or George Foreman grills for that matter. :D
No but really, I love the look of my elite and it’s silver faceplate that I can at any time change with one of several different designs. And if I did think a console was all that ugly? I’d just find a place to stick it not in view. Functionality over aesthetics I always say.
Great article! I really liked reading the other 2, and I look forward to the next one. I do think, however, that you could evaluate the consoles based on people’s gaming type, such as Casual, Hardcore, etc. So you could then say “this console is better for Casual gamers,” or “this one is better for hardcore gamers.”
I recently found a list of upcoming PS3 games from IGN:
http://wiiliketopodcast.com/usercontent/video/wii_fit_parody
And a news article about Home on the PS3 being more popular than TV:
http://playstation.joystiq.com/2009/03/19/average-playstation-home-session-55-minutes-long/
Maybe you could look for articles like these for your future article. Great Job!
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I think I will buy the Xbox 360, only when this problem of 3rls finish.
My father doesn´t find his money on ground. Here´s in Brasil we spend almost R$ 2.300 for the content official of Brasil (The Xbox, the wireless controller, the remote controller, project gotham racing, too human, HDMI cable and 60GB). R$ 2300 its today, US$ 1024,042. It´s so expensive. It´s more expensive than the PS3 in the launch version.
It´s so terrible. I think I will buy only in 2011 because in 2007 I bought the PS2.
Silver, I’d hardly say the PS3 looks like a work of art, & I agree that functionality should come first, but because I live with my fiance, & I’ve already got a huge concession having a massive Thermaltake Kandalf cased PC, & a computer desk built into the chimney alcove in the 2nd main room in the house, I have to try & keep things neat when finding a place for my console next to her Wii. The PS3 fits in nicely with that idea of keeping it simple. As for putting a console somewhere out of view, I understand you have to be careful about putting PS3′s & 360′s in cupboards where they can’t get airflow as the heat build up can’t exactly be good for them. I think that’s why the 360 in Tesco I mentioned earlier was complaining, it was in one of those small clear plastic holders that surrounds the console, even with the vents, I don’t think the amount of cool air getting to the console is anywhere near enough. Not sure how you can put a demo console on display if the security measures in place to stop it getting nicked also stop it working. From what I understand the current audience for the 360 tends to be younger than the PS3 anyway, so a lot more of them probably end up in teenage boys bedrooms, so it really doesn’t matter what the 360 looks like.
Firstly, your PC setup sounds badass and I’d almost kill for a chimney alcove so I could do similar.
Onto ventilation, yeah, it’s bad. But there’s always nice spacious entertainment units you can pull the back off and it’ll hold your consoles with plenty of ventilation AND games and peripherals as well. I was doing that for a while but my room got too crowded so now I just have them all in full view. Makes it easier discswapping-wise though it means I have to dust more often. You win some, you lose some. I noticed that the 360 was easier to dust though too. The PS3 I needed a rag to get at dust that decided to hide in the corner bit of the front where it justs out of the rounded surface.
It’s worth pointing out to fanboys of either console that a high-end PC destroys both in terms of capabilities and graphics, etc.
I think that the look of the videogame is not a big poin to be considerated. So, I think that al the consoles are atractive in their look. But I think that the white become dirty so fast than the black one. In my street doesn´t have asphalt. Other point is that in my state, it´s so HOT. One day was 49° C (more less 120,2 F). I think if ?I buy the Xbox 360 the 3rls would apear in one month. ok, the PS3 is other that is a “Gril George Foreman” and may get borken in a short time.
Guys – I am planning to buy a gaming console and need your help in deciding it. To make this simple, let me put forth some questions and their answers will help me decide.
Your help is immensely appreciated.
XBOS 360 vs PS3
* Which has faster loading speed for games?
* Which one offers wireless controllers, such as throttle pad, gamepad, racing wheel controller etc and are relatively cheap? Preferably, PC compatible ALSO.
* I know XBOX hard drive is proprietary, is there a crack through which we can still use any SATA drive? Is it easy enough, without loosing any warrenties of the console/HDD.
* Offers more games and in future also, it seems would have an edge for offering more titles.
* I know XBOX 360 is not backward compatible, are there new versions of the old games to play with 360? What’s the scene with PS3 in this regard?
* (silly question) – can the blu ray PS3 play VCDs, DVDs also? Which all formats? DivX, AVI also?
* Who’s games are more easily available and has more titles to its credit and better prospects for the future?
* 360 loads most games faster, there are pros and cons, faster load = run game off disc = loading area in some games, longer load = run game off HDD = no loading in game
* 360 has more peripherals made by Xbox but not cheap, there are 3rd party peripherals for both a bit cheaper… personally I never go the 3rd party route…
* I heard the Xbox drive can be replaced with a non proprietary drive but i have never see this myself… i would not try it..
* the next one is a bit more difficult, the 360 offers more games today, especially in the DLC space, however future games and edge… we can all speculate… I’m sure you’ll find many opinions in this space…
* I cant speak on backwards compatibility… i own both however I trade in old games as soon as new ones come out…
* I’ve played DVDs, of course BR, but nothing else, the PS3 menu does say DivX but i never tried it
* This one is similar to your 4th question… you will find both games near each other at any retailer that sells games, the 360 has more titles, whether to its credit is an opinion, prospects for the future is pure speculation…
I hope i answered your questions without steering you in either direction, in my opinion none of the questions above are as important as playing the games you want to play, access to exclusive content is why i own both, if you have to choose one then choose based on your game preference/exclusive content, just my opinion, I’m sure you’ll find others, good luck.
Xbox 360 is somewhat backwards compatible. Check Wikipedia for a list of old titles that work.
I couldn’t comment on how the new 360′s cope with living in warm conditions, but as far as I’m aware the newer 80GB & 160GB (not backwards compatible) PS3′s run cooler than the original 60GB full featured ones due to a smaller chip manufacture. Admittedly I live in England, so it’s not actually that warm, but the central heating works, & the console has never suggested for second that temperature is an issue. it’s not even that warm to the touch. If you try & cook sausages in it though I think worrying about overheating is the least of your problems.
I have a relatively new Xbox, but it still seems to get pretty warm.
Varun Ahuja, I’ll answer what I can:
Loading speeds – as far as I’m aware, the 360 as a rule loads games faster off the DVD drive. From what I’ve read DVD can read small bits of data from around the disc quicker than Blu-Ray, whereas Blu-Ray has a faster continuous read which means that they have to be alot more careful how they place the data on the disc, this currently isn’t happening on a lot of games. Almost all games on the PS3 install some data on the hard drive, whereas it’s optional on the 360 to run off the DVD or install the whole disc onto the hard drive. I haven’t really come across any real problems waiting for things to load on the PS3, even Killzone 2 isn’t too bad & that’s all from Blu-Ray, it only puts 16mb on the hard drive.
All PS3 controllers are wireless, the official ones are bluetooth, 3rd party ones are generally infra red. 360 controllers are available in wired or wireless (I think). As far as things like racing wheels, I’m sure they are available for both consoles, check your local computer shops website. As far as the standard controllers, the PS3 one just feels like a wireless PS2 controller. The 360 one is a fair bit different. Try both of them to see which your most comfortable with.
I don’t think there is any way to use a standard hard drive on a 360, but if any 360 owners know better, please let us know. Obviously the PS3 hard drive is a standard 2.5″ laptop hard drive that you can replace under warranty (there’s a how to in the consoles instructions), I think the only proviso is that you use a 5400rpm one as the 7200rpm ones get too hot for the playstation.
The 360 has more games out at the moment. The PS3 has plenty of good games out there with a good list of upcomings this year & next. I don’t know what Microsoft has coming out as they’ve been quite quiet about it. There’s a lot of multiplatform games that are marginally different graphically (most games out at the moment were developed on the 360 & ported to the PS3, & are known to be marginally better on the 360 due to the porting techniques & in some case complete lack of care & attention on the part of some developers – I hear Silent Hill 5 is a doozey). I do believe this situation has balanced out now, but these are games that aren’t out yet. Only time will tell. Exclusives on both machines tend to look better. 360 for Halo, Gears of War, Forza, etc. PS3 for Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm:Pacific rift. Just have a look & see what takes your fancy.
I thought the 360 did offer some backwards compatibility, but don’t know how good it is. Only the original PS3′s (60GB) offered near complete PS3 compatibility, later ones were software based, & not too good, new ones are not backwards compatible with PS2 at all. All PS3′s play PS1 games. If you want to get hold of a 60GB one, you will have to pay a premium as they tend to hold their value.
PS3 can play Blu-ray, DVD’s, DIVX avi’s off disc or USB flash stick. Not sure about VCD or what the 360 can play. I think they’re similar apart from the Blu-Ray bit.
Games are readily available for both. In the UK I haven’t noticed any price difference between the platforms. Obviously the 360 has more out as it’s been out longer. The PS3 looks good for upcoming titles (just type PS3 & 360 exclusives 2009 into Google, you’ll get lots & lots & lots & lots of websites offering a plethora of information), & there’s plenty of exclusives out for both platforms, just depends on what your after.
I’m not going to recommend a platform to you as I’m biased, & you can see my views on my posts above. I don’t think you’ll be dissapointed either way.
Good run-down. The Xbox 360 has pretty good backwards compatibility for Xbox titles, especially the more popular games like Knights of the Old Republic. Personally, I don’t think backwards compatibility should really be a deal-maker or deal-breaker when choosing a console, though…
Thanks a lot for your reply ppl – really appreciate the quickest of responses.
Some follow up questions –
* Can we just copy the entire game on HDD and play it from there – I do this always with my PC games to make it faster – life is too short to keep waiting them load from disks. Which one allows whole game to be copied on HDD and played directly?
(Since i will go for biggest possible HDD – am not worried about space constraints – do we have to keep some free space in HDD???)
* if anyone has experience from India – hws the support in case there is a problem with the machine? For my global friends – hws the experience in non-US countries? (non-US as am looking for emphasis on customer service in secondary mkts)
* are there cracked versions of the games as well – just as we have in PC? (sorry… this one is in case my bank balance goes low) Do they play well or can they brick the console?
* My kinda games – sports related (esp from EA), racing, simcity kinds simulation, flight simulator, CoD, WWE (rarely) games… now, which one of the two can provide better titles, or are both well-stocked in these games?
* Friends in India/China/HK/Singapore – how’s the market for availability for gamepads/racing wheel throttle pads etc for XBOX and PS3? Which one is USB based and hence can be pc compatible also?
Kind regards,
Varun
Hey, I have a ps3 and was thinking about buying a 360. I want to know if there is alot of difernce beetween online play. And is it true that the ps3 has realy long loading screens compared to the 360?
the whole XBL vs. PSN is very uninteresting in my opinion. because its SOFTWAREBASED. both, microsoft and sony, are working on their platforms all the time. and for me its just a matter of time till XBL and PSN are the same. and even not…who cares ~.~
buy a PS3 and get happy :P
I would just like to point out a very interesting fact that many of you have over looked. There’s a reccesion. Companies are not going to bring out new comsoles during a reccesion beacuse they will be far to expensive and no one will buy themm. Therefore, it is apropriate to say that no console is “Dieing” because a console can only die when there is no cash to be made. Since 360s are cheap, they aren’t going to die soon. Neither ps3. You should not worry about how long ur console is going to last in this respect.
“Companies are not going to bring out new comsoles during a reccesion beacuse they will be far to expensive and no one will buy themm.”
This is not so correct, because a company of my contry (TecToy) associated with Qualcomm will realese this year a new console for this generation: The Zeebo. Ok, it´s not a very interesting console for people that can pay more than U$ 1,000 in a console.
You can find more information here:
English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeebo
Português: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeebo
I think it’s also worth pointing out that video games are “recession proof.” Video game sales have been going *up* this year, not down. Video games are a relatively cheap form of entertainment in terms of $/hour spent.
Your article is great. However, I can’t understand why you give so much highlight to the Netflix capability, and COMPLETELY ignore the thousands of titles (movies, tv shows, both hd and sd) that are available for download/rent in the Sony Store accessible from the PS3. All you say is “with some effort” this can also be done on the PS3. I’m sorry, but that’s just not fair.
Wow sorry for the triple post but I keep realizing other things. You say XB is probably better for online play than PS3. If you’re going to say that, then you should be honest and fair and mention that Sony Network is FREE.
How come your price comparison doesn’t include the cost of XB Live?
Varun Ahuja
I can’t answer all of your question as I don’t know what the situation is in India for support etc.
As far as copying the whole disc onto the hard drive. As far as I’m aware, it’s the 360 that can do this (but you still need the disc in the drive to play the game) & it’s optional. The PS3 will install what it needs to install (usually between 1 & 4GB), you don’t get a choice, & again, you have to have the disc in the drive.
As far as cracked (pirated) games, the 360 will allow you to do this, & get games off the internet, but if you try to go online with illegal software your Gold account could get banned from Xbox Live for life. The PS3 has not been cracked yet. If you want a game on the PS3 you have to pay for it (not a bad thing in my opinion).
As far as the game types you mentioned. Racing – multiplatform, all the Need for Speed Franchises, Fuel is expected out in a couple of months. 360 – Forza (sorry, that’s all I know). PS3 – Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (waiting for the full GT5), Motorstorm:Pacific Rift. SimCity – very few of these type games, you might have to use your PC for these. Flight Sims – I only know of Hawx, it’s new & it’s on both consoles. COD games – both platforms. WWE & sports games are generally multiplatform with the odd exeception.
Hope this helps.
Kaden101…
you’re a star. Thanks bud.
OK, in PS3, I cannot copy the entire CD.. but generally, lets take CoD for example, how much time would it take from switching on the machine to the point where you have a gun in your hand? (easy way to answer the speed of loading games question :D)
(i am a little biased towards PS3 coz of Microsoft’s habit of making everything proprietary… whether the HDD, or the backward compatibility for 360 and non 360 consoles etc. Who knows – XBOX 720, or whatever would not support 360 games… I hate their habit of minting money at the cost of old timer MS customers, if not loyals)
I couldn’t comment on COD as I don’t have it. Killzone 2 runs completely off disc, which is slower than hard drive, & you can be up & running & into the game within 3 minutes of hitting the power button. Unless you’re really really really impatient, I don’t think that the loading times on any of the games on either platform are going to bother you. None of them get close to loading a level of Doom 3 on an okay PC (I’m more impatient sat in front of a monitor than I am slouching in my armchair, strange that).
It all depends on what you’re after. If you want Blu-Ray (only worth it if you’ve got, or planning on getting a HD TV) it’s got to be PS3. If you want to be able to put in a replacement hard drive on the cheap – PS3. If, however, you want to save money on your initial purchase, & don’t need wi-fi or a large hard drive (you can get models with 160GB which aint bad), or Blu-Ray, the 360 might suit your needs.
I also feel that Microsoft tries to milk customers with the online fee & the proprietary hard drives, but the rest of it extras like wi-fi, & charge & play pack for controllers is fair game as their console is cheaper in the first place.
If you’re going to want all that extra stuff you’ll probably opt for a PS3 anyway, as you’ll have the stuff without a mess of cables & extras. Just having a unit with just 2 wires coming out of it (when you’re not charging a controller) is tidy, & suits me.
On one last point, you do see fanboys stating various tripe about both systems, & one of the special ones is that there are no games available for the PS3. Yes, there are less than the 360, but just had a look at Gamespot, & on the reviews alone, there are well over 200 games out on the PS3, & somewhere heading up to 400 for the 360 (don’t know the exact figures). I know I’ll be pushed to ever get time to play 200+ games, not including whatever is still to come out. There’s plenty of choice on either machine. You won’t be dissapointed.
I own an Xbox 360 and not a PS3 (yet), but yeah I still get really annoyed with people who say there are “no games” for PS3. What the hell are they talking about??
I think both systems are pretty impressive.
I think I will get a PS3, because here the live isn´t able and I want to play online.
and I looked the reviews from PS3 HOME and I liked (I love games like The Sims).
If I buy the PS3 I will buy with 3 years of support by the site because , differently of microsoft, the PS3 is not distribucted here by sony. But the distribuction of microsoft is a ******. The price is very expensive (R$ 2300 or U$ 1003,49) and like I said I can´t play online games.
im not any kind of know it all on either system but with my experiences ive always liked playstation 1,2 and 3 better then the xbox products just due to having two xbox’s and two 360′s break after a while enough is enough never once has a playstation broke on me hell i still own my ps1 and it works fine… as far as graphics go i like my ps3 better then the previous 360s i broke but that could just all be in my head because who really wants to say the other system is better … also this Blu Ray had me sold the first time i watched a movie on it which was probally the biggest selling point for me…. kudos to 360 though it has by far the best online support but ill just let Microsoft stick to what they do best….. computers ha
Mateus my country is not listed on live either but it works perfectly, you just need to chose any country that’s on the list and enter some random address etc. As for the costs I’m pretty sure you can save LOTS of money if you buy 360 which costs like 3 ps3 games not to mention 360′s piracy option. I’m not saying you should change your decision but your main arguments for choosing ps3 both costs and live are false.
SH2z… you’ve got to be kidding… your adding 360′s piracy option as a decision maker????? unreal!!!
to everyone else… don’t listen to this guy, get caught pirating games and you’ll get banned from XBL… it does happen… and sometimes charges are brought….
also this guy doesn’t know simple math…
He has a point though, some people live for pirated games and couldn’t give two shits about multiplayer. To those people it’s one hell of an advantage.
I just like the online experience and owning all the materials too much personally. =D
Sorry, I just can’t have any respect pirates or the view that pirating is a positive… lucky for us most people pay for games, so game developers can keep doing what they do…
Yeah I don’t respect them much myself.
Buuuut, any way I look at it, for some people it is a definite advantage. Look at the PSX and PS2 for example. While I was proud of my couple hundred strong game collection, some who had pirated games dwarfed my collection. Was I jealous? Fuck no. All my games were in English AND I got printed materials and any bonuses such as posters, collectables and soundtracks.
But I think since consoles like the PSX were introduced there has been a large market of people who play pirated games, just as there are a large number of people who switched to pirated music when it became the easier option. It’s cheaper and more often than not it works.
Game developers though, just like the music industry likely will always make a fortune off those who do things legit. Most 360 games here come out at around $100 (AU) and it would only cost a very small fraction of that to produce the game disc and printed materials. Even with the costs of developing games, that’s quite a markup, even if it’s one I’d gladly pay. =D
Sh2z,
You’re such an upstanding chappy. Your solution is lie about your address/country, & then don’t pay for any games, just pirate them, & they say the 360 is a better choice for developers. I don’t see how with the potential for a good portion of their customers to just download the games at no cost. The PS3 so far has managed to do since release what no other major platform has been able to manage pretty much since games were on cassette (I’m sure there are others, but I don’t know of any recently). Surely that’s good for developers. If you are going to download illegal software, keep it to yourself, & don’t advertise is as a positive.
Mateus,
Get whatever you think is best, but don’t let eejits like Sh2z try to sway you with an argument in favour of piracy, unless that’s your thing.
How’s the postal/courier service where you are? Just wondered – in case you get a 360, you’ll probably need it at some point.
Sorry, sometimes I can’t help but be petty. I try, & I try to be fair & impartial, but then some plum goes & says something stupid, & I can’t help myself.
How do you know my solution about country/address is lie? You got 360 and your country is not listed? Have you actually tried it? Unless he’s on other planet he will be able to use live period. I’m not trying to sway him, i could not care less. I just tried to help the guy who obviously was asking for help. Tell me something did you actually read this review ? The guy how wrote it explicitly mentioned piracy as 360′s advantage, I’m not trying to advertise anything but 360′s scene is a FACT. Pirated console = live ban…sorry I know it happens but it’s not inevitable since i got moded console active on live since may 2007. Why did you found yourself so offended by my post is beyond my understanding…(although i think it hilarious) and I’m sorry if i offended anyone else. Please don’t bother responding back as you are wasting your time. “I don´t like pirate games. ok. all of my games of PS2″ – you just made my day, thank you :)
I don´t like pirate games. ok. all of my games of PS2, but I want o play online and the 360 service of live is not suportted here. If I want to play is necessary registration in other country and a international credict card
Mateus,
Sorry if I sounded like I was having a go at you, I really wasn’t (but I was having a go at Sh2z)
Just as a little experiment, I did a search on a torrent site for Gears of War 2, months after it’s release, on this one webiste alone it has 38 instances of this game, & currently a total of 767 people downloading this game for free. Imagine what it was like when it was first available. There’s well over 200 people downloading Resident Evil 5 for the 360. If those figures are from one website, just think how much money is not being spent on 360 games people are playing.
I’m not suggesting for second that I’m guilt free of this in the past, & I think the problem is that with torrents, & broadband, it’s so easy to get hold of these games that we don’t actually give it a seconds thought as all we’re doing is clicking a few buttons on a computer, surely it can’t be that bad? If Sony can keep on top of the piracy thing, then that’s got to be a good thing for the people making the games.
There’s always the 2nd hand market, & although the developers/publishers have a right to moan about piracy, they don’t have a right to moan about preowned games. As much as they’d like us not to buy or sell not new games (get over it), if every manufacturer of everything & anything wanted this, we’d just have houses full of crap we never use & don’t want.
Anyways, rant over
Too bad the PS3 dropped backwards compatibility. I felt like that was a huge strength for the PS3, and taking it away was the end of a tradition they had been following. Personally I’d rather have the smaller drive (60GB) and still have the PS2 games, because I love them.
On another note, when the Xbox 360 came out, I was appalled at how the graphics had not changed hardly at all since Xbox 1. They were now simply in HD. But I’m glad to see they have come a long way. The games now look amazing and I’d say that the PS3 and 360 are tied.
I’m convinced the vast difference in disc capacity will be a thorn in the 360′s side. The PS3 will therefore likely be living on well past the sales “death” of the 360, which I am predicting to be around next year. Seems the PS3 will be just like the PS2, in the fact that its sales and popularity will still be quite significant long after its release.
& the fact that Sony have just announced the price drop on the PS2, & there’s still more games coming out for it does add credence to Sony saying that they will support the PS3 for 10 years.
i bought my 80gb ps3 when it 1st came out,yes it had problems with the backwards compatibility but with today with the updates i never have any problems playing ps2 or ps1 games…also you cant just download the updates on your computer for the 360 then install them you have to connect it directly to the internet…
i bought my 80gb ps3 when it 1st came out and yes it HAD alot of issues with backwards compatibiltiy but after i got the updates i never had another problem playing ps2 or ps1 games…also its easer to update because you can just download the file from playstation online then install it on the ps3…the hdd is another thing i now have a 250gb hdd in mine and all 250 gbs are recognised…external hdds i think have a 1tb limit thats the next thing on my list of things to try…
Actually (this word seems nowdays in my language “atualmente”), I can´t comprehend why people are so stupid at the point of buy another 360 because the other died. It can´t enter this idea in my head. It´s ridiculous!!!!!!
I never would buy the videogame again and again with this price. ok. using the money that i use for buy one 360 you can buy 2 360. But I think it´s very stupid.
ah. sorry by my poor english. hauhauhauha
There’s one thing you forgot in your article. The controller for the 360 is much better than the Ps3′s. The 360′s is actually different from the Original Xbox’s, while the Ps3 is just the same, really. Also, the trigger buttons feel better on the 360, then on the Ps3 where they feel like rectangles.
Controller preference is exactly that, preference, it’s not about better or worse, but if you’re bringing it up, I hear the d-pad on the 360 controller ain’t great.
Understatement of the year.
While some found you could alter the controller (likely voiding warranty) to increase d-pad accuracy I tend to prefer getting a good arcade stick or pad. When it comes down to it though, the PS3 d-pad isn’t red hot neither, even if it does completely kill the 360′s.
Personal preference can often be what sways an individual this way or that. I tend to prefer a bigger more weighty controller due to my big man hands and the 360′s controller is just so manly. XD (I’m gonna stop now as drinking a beer and laughing at the same time don’t mix well.)
Yah I prefer the Xbox controller (especially with the keypad!!) to the PS3′s ’cause I have big ape hands.
coming from someone who sales both of these consoles daily. i dnt think the average consumer give a u know wat about any of the things u guys are talking about with all due respect… ppl only care about how much they got to spend. personally i sell twice as many ps3′s as i do 360′s. wen i do sell 360′s it is to ppl gettin gifts for little kids or someone who doesn’t wanna wait to get a new one because they got the rrod.
but like i tell all of my guests the biggest choice you need to make is what exclusives u really wanna play. because besides that you will b stuck in limbo til the future gen systems come out… or the ps33 actually get game developers to jump on board
This is probably one of the best articles I’ve read on the topic. I prefer the PS3 but the 360 is still a nice system. Nice job.
1 thing i have a prob with is for the 360 you talk about netflix as a plus, yet you never 1ce talk about the psn’s movie store. iv looked at both and must go with the psn’s store.
PSN movie store, what’s that then? Oh, sorry, I’m English, & Sony is too busy trying to impress the American’s that they forgot about us. I gather Netflix is in the same boat in the UK (not sure if this has changed recently). The rumour is we’ll get PSN movie store this year.
It’s like not being Japanese & waiting for a Final Fantasy game all over again. Or waiting for a film to be released at the cinema, or waiting for certain areas of Playstation@home to come to the European servers, or …..woah, stop me now before I get carried away with the bitterness.
They say it’s a small world, but not when it comes to release dates. If you’ve got a movie download service on your console, class yourself as lucky. Come on Sony, pull your finger out!
I don’t have either system yet, only have a Wii. After reading all the posts, I plan on getting PS3. I just wish they reduce the price. My specific reasons are:
> PS3 runs quieter, has less cables and less overheating issues.
> Not a big fan of online, no benefit of paying $40-$50/yr. Like free PSN.
> Sony has a 10 years plan, I know my investment will last. I don’t want consoles that break within 2 years.
> I don’t care about backwards compatibility, I look forward in future, not stay backwards in past games.
> Like wireless controls that’s included in the price. Not extras I have to get later.
> No particular lusting after exclusive.
> Loading time not a big concern, I am patient. Young people need everything now now now. Waiting 3-5 minutes would kill them.
> Graphic wise, I think both are same or one is just slightly better – not noticeable to naked eye. Unless you freeze the screen and analyze dot per dot.
> I want both aesthetic AND functionality – PS3 looks and design – I prefer.
> I have HDTV so watching Blueray would be awesome.
You won’t be dissapointed. Only watched one Blu-Ray on a 40″ Samsung & that was Cloverfield, awesome. Oh, & the DVD upscaling is top notch as well, nuff said.
I believe that when you’re comparing prices… you should consider the fact that the PS3 has a BluRay player built-in which, if you consider the prices of BluRay players ($2-300), well make up for the $100 difference.
I own a ps3. I will just state that right now.
With my experience with the 360 is that if it’s not broken, loud, ruining disks, and overheating, then it’s looking for more money. I don’t think I’ve used a 360 where it’s functionality exceeds the Playstations. Every wireless 360 controller that I pick up, either has to be paired with that particular 360 – which is an annoying process if you’ve never done it before unlike the ps3 whereas you just need the supplied usb cable (which preferably should be hooked up at all times for ease of use) and press the PS button. Either it needs to be paired (rare but happens), it has low battery or no battery power AT ALL. Purely the owners problem but when it happens to every controller? Next thing you know is that you cannot turn on your tv to play it because you’ve used the batteries from the remote… Please, I charge my ps3 controller maybe a couple times a month, I think it has great battery life. Also, that breakaway cable thing they use on the wired controller is extremely laugh out loud. Ever try to find one with a friend going “Oh man I know it’s around here SOMEWHERE.” Look in your drawer with your HD-DVD player.
The menu is clunky, for the standard user throwing a friends 360 on, it can be quite an intimidating task just to find the XBL store, or switching profiles, etc. Not everyone is genius or automatically knows where to find this hidden shit. In that respect, the XMB is a lot simpler.
I’d love to go on but I’d be late for work. Just like to say that wireless connectivity rocks, no need to buy a lame wireless adapter for extra $$$. Netflix is alright but most people can live without that. PS3′s ability to stream is a lot easier than the 360, and chances are it will play any video you throw at it (most media servers convert if it’s not compatible), so netflix is just one cost you can live without. As a home theater add-on, you cannot beat the playstation 3.
Anyway, I will continue to use the 360 at my friends places who have them but it will be a very stressful gaming sesh.
“Shit, who has a credit card so we can add another 3 months of xbox live???”
Well firstly your analysis of the 360′s ‘clunky menu’ makes me think you’ve either not actually used a 360 in months OR have only played an offline console that didn’t receive NXE. That is if you’ve played a 360 at all. =D
In terms of battery life, I had both consoles and as a rule my 360 needed less charges and hell, that was with me using it more.
And who’s so poor they can’t use their pocket change to buy 12 months of XBL? lulz. Guess the wages wherever you are must be abysmal.
well all i gotta say is no RROD and i can move my ps3 around when its on and not ruin my games.. 4 ppl with young kids u kno this can be annoying always saying no get away dont touch blah blah balh….u can knock it over and it still runs fine..IMO 360 is great but the PS3 is a tweanwer….2 in 1 a small computer inside a gameing consule just look at and keybroad mouse printer and even sd cards i can tell you how much stuff i have printed outta it doing my college essay’s on a computer then saving it to a sd card taking it home and printing. for free. Blu-ray enough said there. Free internet Gaming not to mention built in Wi-Fi just keep stealing for free still. HDMI helps with the graphics if u have it on a LCD or Plasma T.V. in the end i love laughing when someone tells me MAN MY XBOX GOIT RROD……srry ps3 4eva.
Gotta admit, I laugh to when I look up an error every couple months that appears due to my xbox. The new error of the day is E 74. A Video Audio Problem. Funny thing was I was playing Cod5 in HD with those incredible graphics that the Xbox offers (:P) and bam E 74… funny thing was… the warning was in every language but english.
I am pretty happy with my 360. I bought a few years back becuase of the game availability at the time and it was cheaper. I was planning on picking up a PS3 simply because traditionally Final Fantasy has been a Sony exclusive title but recent news that it is going to be released on the 360 has really made my day. They both play FF games and CoD games so I’m happy.
Xbox’s NXE has improved a lot of the things you’re talking about, though. I have no idea what you’re referring to with battery life issues because I’ve never had those–I charge my controller 1-2 times per month and I play a lot. Also, I’ve never had any reliability issues because I bought my Xbox last autumn and they have apparently fixed the horrible problems people had with early Xbox’s. Personally, I don’t need wireless connectivity, but I agree with you 100% on this, that Microsoft really likes to fleece people for Xbox “extras” like wireless.
As far as the Netflix thing goes, I live in Canada so I have no access to it. But then again, I don’t rent movies either so I wouldn’t have any use for a Blu-Ray. I bought the Xbox 360 because it was a bit cheaper and had a better selection of quality RPGs and I didn’t need or want Blu-Ray. However, I personally think the PS3 is significantly better value for money than Xbox for people who don’t yet have a Blu-Ray player and want one. And I think games-wise there are plenty of great games for PS3 now, as well.
I have gone through 1 original launch xbox and just recently purchased a new updated arcade chipset. all i have to say is i was once and xbox fan, i would now like to throw mine at bill gates. The RROD is enough reason for you to stay away already. lets not forget to mention the sheer amount of frustrating errors that occur when you try to view/stream avi files on the console. it will work on monday, and by tuesday it gives you nothing but errors. I stumbled on this web page by accident looking up an error message i just received on my 2 week old new arcade console. was watching an avi file then about 30 mins into it i get an error message saying “unreadable content”. take it from me, spend the extra money and go for a ps3.
I would just like to say that i dont know which system to get now cas
i want a 360 for gaming
but the media side of the ps3 really makes me happy
ill prolly just get both
so i wont have any of these arguing problems.
I’ve always been a fan of Xbox games, especially the halo series, and i’ve more certaintly been a fan of the playstation’s rpg series. However being an xbox 360 owner, i have to say this statistic of yours is… biased.
“XBOX 360 (4.62 million compared to 2.56 million in 2008 alone, and 9.15 million compared to 3.25 million in the lifetime of the consoles).’
It may be a better seller, but is it a better seller simply because more people want it, or because most are on their second if not third console? I think it would be interesting to find a statistic for your next update that talks more about how many consoles have been rebought due to a malfunction not covered in warranty. I believe it was 33% and now somewhere around 20% but that is still ridiculously high, even if there is a three year warranty, which by the way only covers (RROD). I just bought my third Xbox 360 yesturday due to another unseen error, The E 74. Next year I suggest you elaborate more on the statistics between cost when using PS3 And Xbox 360 over a couple years. A Quick comparison between myself and my best friend. I own Xbox 360 and paid $399, he has his Playshit 3 (:P) and paid $500, and let’s say the games are about even in price. I may of saved at the time of purchase, but three years down the road I’ve spent over a grand on a console which is as you described “A ticking Time Bomb”. My loyalty still lies with the xbox 360, however with just the simple fact of M$’s obvious incompitance and making us “The consumer” pay for there mistakes “literaly”, it’s enough for myself to think twice before buying the next generation console.
K so your an x box fan boy, so be it, my names David and i have both consoles i just bought my 360 almost a month ago, let me tell you thats one fucking annoying fan but i get over it. I’ve had my ps3 for a year I love it, though i do wish their were more games. And that has gotten completely better. K so here you are calling someone’s article biased, when the only thing this person did who was bitch about how the 360 was better then the ps3 in every way except multi-media format. This article I’ve read all 3 sounds like someone doesn’t want to admit that their an x box fan boy and 100% of the article based on hardware and graphic talks is completely BACK SMACKING THE SUBJECT. You went on about how the reason while the sales for the 360 are so incredibly high is because of the huge failure rate when the 360′s first released. GASH!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME CHILD YOU WENT ONTO YOUR THIRD 360 OVER ONE SILLY LITTLE ERROR. You’ve given how much money to Microsoft showing them you don’t give a shit how many mistakes they make. Oh by the way 100% 360 fan boy that you our calling your friends ps3 a Playshit 3 if i was your friend i’d say it’s no longer officially a friendship. 500$ or 399$
Dude when you buy 1 ps3 it’s going to last you forever, inevitably longer then the 360 , that is why i waited so damn long to buy a 360, and i swear to god idc bout the streaming movies i hate to say in a fanboy voice tone that the psn streams better movies including blu-ray films. One silly error like that won’t make me go spend another 300$ ON AN XBOX.
I’d love to insult you right now but im not cause you wanna no what, i don’t like it when 360 and ps3 fanboys fight over this crap. Their both good systems, and the 360 is now the ps3 is the future, the ps3 holds the worlds fastest processor found in a entertainment machine on the market. I ain’t no fanboy i love both consoles, i admit the xbox live is better, but psn isnt that bad either, they release updates from time to time to make it better and for free still! it’s like im responding to the article and your comment here CJ Chenier, so nice to meat another 360 fanboy. Hey you didnt mention anything in your comment about the other stuff said in the article just the price and 360 failures of RROD, but mind your trying very not to not make it look like you are a fanboy. If your not a fanboy your going to prove that you love features of a ps3 and features of a 360 if not you our a fanboy by force lol.
You brought this on by calling the ps3 play shit 3, i do not call the 360 the Devils red failed invention ok. Good day to you 360 fanboy and do Enjoy BOTH SYSTEMS, not just one.
Or don’t join the topic of 360 vs ps3.
Oh wow, with an argument as persuasive as yours it must be true!
You truly are an hero, warning us about the evil ‘Devils red failed invention ok’ and the ‘play shit 3′s superior shit playing.
i cant afford any of these games .. i only have a nintendo 64 .. but i get a chubby when i look at some of the screenshots .. ahaha just kidding .. my birthday is coming up .. and i currently have an xbox 360 and a ps2 .. ps2 sucks compared to the xbox obviously .. but what about the ps3 ? so i have been reading these mile long reviews and ive been watching videos on youtube .. and they dont mean shit .. so i went to future shop .. and i asked buddy .. i said ” hey buddy , which is better .. ps3 or xbox 360 ” and then he licked my balls
Cj Chenier – I believe Microsoft are now covering the E74 errors under the extended warranty, it’s very recent, & if you’ve paid for yours fixing you are entitled to put in a claim for your repair money back – see http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10218860-1.html for more information. Well, it’s taken long enough for Microsoft to admit to this one, maybe they’ll take responsibility for the disc scratching farce by 2011 – see youtube.com/?v=UbaJgEjY-s8 (or google – 360 watchdog youtube scratch discs). How many inherent faults can one piece of technology have without the company in question recalling the lot of them, or being sued into liquidation? Apparently they can get away with it because 360 owners just defend Microsoft stating such lines as “yes, but their warranty covers it, & their customer service is good”. If you’d have bought a Sony Bravia TV, & a high percentage of them died due to inherent fault it wouldn’t have mattered how good the warranty was when you had to go without a TV for 2-4 weeks. Likewise if you bought a new car, & it was back in the shop every 3 months due to bad manufacturing, you wouldn’t care how good the warranty was after being without your car for multiple periods of time. Microsoft can get away with it because they have more money than sense, & their customer base is generally the most forgiving, @rse kissing, singing their praises, 360 worshipping bunch of wallies the retail world has ever seen.
Amen lol.
you can use your netflix through the ps3 browser, and the ps store has its own smaller than net flix video store witch give rental options and buying options on movies and tv shows in full 1080 720 and 4..whatever crappy tvs are, xbox has more games thats really the only thing if you want it for games xbox but keep in mind the ps3 has way more inmind for the future, you can video chat with freinds text chat with freind now whilee in game be in a chat room with freinds in other games, chat rooms style, what ever though i dont use this all im looking foward to is movie sharing vie the playstation home, sya i have picture n video content n my homie gets on n want to watch my movies we will be able to watch them together on seprate consoles
also i was smart enought to have bought the 60 gig ps3 back i day day when they went on sale in november so they could sell the 80s in december so i got all the awsomeness full backwords compatible extra fan built in never even gets warm after four or five hours after ten or eleven it is warm but not hot by any means but ive nveer noticed the xbox 360 to be that loud mabey hot butnot to loud i like em both though i thnk im gonna buy the red x box 360 but i would never give up my ps3 not to a whaler with a harpoon to my neck
xbox got red ring of death
ps3 got yellow line of doom
I’m not a fanboy of either consoles but I do lean more towards the PS3 since I own one. My PS3 has never failed on me and is dead silent(which is a good thing). The graphics of the games are great and I don’t really see a difference in terms of graphics when I’m playing a game on the PS3 and the same one on the Xbox 360. I also think that the Xbox 360 has a whole lot more sales because people are buying their second, third, or even fourth Xbox 360 because of the RROD when they can just spend a fraction of what they spent on a reliable PS3.
Hi, all
I’m new :) . I’ve found this article when I was searching to find out wich console will be suitable for me. There is, obviously, a lot of information in the main article, thanks. As well as the comments gave me clear experiences.
I concluded, AFTER READING ALL, that I should go for a PS3. Because I dont belive in customer service and warranties.So, I prefer to buy an expensive one but the reliable one. I have found out that I can find some cracked version fo XBOX 360 and buy some cheaper games and also XBOX has a free HDMI cable. BUT the Blu-Ray player and reliblity and also the potential more powerfull CPU in the PS3 make me buy PS3 with that high price games without crack and …
I’ve never seen the graphic quality of them, so I think, both of them are acceptable at first time for a beginner like me.
Please help me, and advice that is it a reasinable decision(buying PS3) or not?
More power to all of you.
You can buy a HDMI cable for £10 give or take. Graphics wise, multiplatform games are very similar with the 360 being marginally better on some of the previous release due to been developed on that platform & then ported across, but Killzone 2 is then best looking console game out there at the moment, with God of War III, & Heavy Rain on the way, I think the PS3 has the edge on exclusives. The main thing you have to consider is what exlusive games you want to play, if it’s Halo, Gears of War, & Forza, then you need a 360. If it’s Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, Motorstorm:PR, Pacific Rift, Little Big Planet, Infamous (May 26) etc then you need to for the PS3, & as you state above, it is more reliable, but it’s all about the games.
Whilst this article was nuetral almost throughout, I thought it was unfair how you misleadingly portrayed the XBox as the cheaper console. Even though you noted the addition costs of XBox live, Wi-Fi adaptor, etc, you did not compile a price summary of what you would have to pay for an XBox to feature the same hardware that a PS3 has out-of-the-box.
Also, the fact that Sony covers almost any faults within it warranty was not mentioned. For example, I purchased a PS3 in the June of 2007. In December of that year, I was playing Assassin’s Creed when I realised the game must have crashed whilst saving. AGAINST both the warranty and customer advice – and I warn any user not to do this on any console – It wouldn’t turn off, so I pulled the plug. I turned it on again, and it was refusing to start at all (obviously corrupted hte system software), showing me a blank screen. So, again, I did a very stupid thing – I turned the PS3 off and fished into the Blu-Ray drive to pull the disk out- damaging the laser whilst doing so.
My parents called Sony and they asked to speak to me to ask what I did. I told them what I did as I explained above- I had intentionally turned off the console whilst it was recording to the hard-drive, and then forced a disk out of the sensitive reader. Their reaction: a free like-for-like replacement the next day (which was Christmas Eve).
By contrast, my friend shovelled his way through seven- yes, with God as my witness seven- XBox 360s that RRoD’s when playing Frontlines. He blew his fuse with Microsoft when on the seventh console, Microsoft refused to return his game that was inside the said 7th damaged XBox. He is now a proud owner of a Playstation 3.
I am not writing this as a fanboy- because I’m not a fanboy. I only bought a PS3 after long hard deliberation, and I don’t think the Xbox is inferior in any way – both are unique. They both have a large array of amazing games that satisfy the needs of their gamers; Xbox has Halo; PS3, Killzone. Xbox has Forza, We have Motorstorm/GT5. I’m not going to preach about the irrelevent differences between the consoles’ processing powers; whilst the PS3 has slightly more processing power, the Xbox has better individual processors, and the list goes on- PS3′s online is free, Xbox’s is better.
Furthermore, I believe that any concept of a concept war is juvenile and futile; both will continue to exist, and should do so peacefully, without the silly nicknames and fanboys attatched to each side (if you’ve ever said Xbox three-shi**y or Play S**t 3 please stand up).
As long as there is progress, who cares about sales figures and exclusives? I for one just want good games with amazing graphics that veryone can enjoy, and not petty scraps over exclusives that are incomparable anyway. Unless you disagree of course, in which case, please continue to argue over errors and which has the cooler name.
BEST COMMENT EVER! *thumbs up*
Well Dan, the Xbox 360 is the cheaper console as some gamers don’t want all the extra non-gaming features as well as some of the optional gaming features. Why would the average gamer want a device that does things other than gaming straight out of the box when it jacks the price up?
And I do know that when calling Sony’s tech support they seem to not have any idea on what to do half the time. At least with all the problems the xbox has had in the past the customer support seems to know what to do right away. And despite some people freaking over shipping times, I’ve never known it to take that long at all with the locals. Might be a locality issue though I guess. But I do know that MS are also more than happy to fix idiot errors free of charge. It’s how half of them seem to go most often.
Reading on through the remainder of your post makes me think that you are a fanboy albeit possibly one that doesn’t realise they are one. That or you’re just trolling. A friend who’s gone through seven xboxes? Mentioning Halo and Forza as the killer exclusives? I’ve heard those arguments before. But I do admit to liking some of the banter later on.
I only bought an Xbox 360 after long hard deliberation. It was because it met my gaming needs rather than any desire to have a single box with several functions that suffered a little due to the combining. (That said I do feel the original launch PS3s are among the greatest of any console model, mainly due to the features. With less USB ports it fails as a Linux box unless you buy a hub and card reader, with no PS2 emulation the game selection is fairly limited…)
The PS2 has a greater number of awesome games than the PS3 and 360 combined.
Silver, Silver, Silver,
Normally I like your posts as they are well thought out & constructed, but I can see that like me you are becoming jaded with all the rabid fanboys out there, & like me your comments are becoming a bit more snappy. With regards to your comment that the PS3 has a rather limited selection of games if you don’t have backwards compatibility, that was a valid argument in 2007, but it’s leaning in a disturbingly “Smooth Criminal” fashion towards fanboyism in 2009. (For all too young, yes, it was a Michael Jackson reference, hence why it’s disturbing). As for some of your other points.
The reason Sony’s tech support doesn’t know what’s wrong most of the time is because they probably don’t get that much practice, whereas if you phone Microsoft technical support they’ve a good idea what’s wrong, they made it, & it did exactly what it was designed to do..it stopped working. Bitchy I know, but that’s the way I feel about Microsofts’ quality control.
Also, please let me know how you think the PS3 is compromised due to combining several functions, just curious because as a games console it’s every bit as good as the 360, as a piece of techology, it’s far superior as it does much the same as the 360, throw in a Blu-Ray player, an internal power supply & wi-fi, & yet it doesn’t get as hot as the inside of the Sun because the design is more intelligent.
If it wasn’t for the reliability, the noise, & that external power supply (the Wii has an excuse, the console is teeny, even the Atari ST & the PS2 managed avoided that) I’d heartily recommend the 360 & might have even thought about purchasing one, but as it is, it’s not worth it. I don’t care how good the warranty is, it should only break down in exceptional circumstances, not as a habit.
To be fair, the power supply issue isn’t that big a deal, I was just being bitchy, & I am still waiting for Fable II to come out on PC, it’s the only 360 exclusive I’m really bothered about.
Kaden, Kaden, Kaden,
I did always prefer the Alien Ant Farm cover myself.
But as far as I’m concerned, my argument is still rather valid, especially in the genres I play most. The PS3 just doesn’t have the library it’s competition does unless it can play PS2 games. Though if you like playing games illegally I guess the emulators you can run under Linux will have you sold for games. I tend like my gaming legit though. Call it a personal preference. Yeah, it has Killzone 2 which looks pretty and yeah they did finally fix the lag…
Funnily when I bitched about the lag PS3 fanboys were raving about how awesome and realistic the lag was and I noticed to my satisfaction that when it was patched those same fanboys noted the improvement but I’m digressing. And yeah it has Disgaia 3 which I do love a lot more… plus Valkyria Chronicles was a solid play… LittleBigPlanet was addictive albeit in the same way old skool mario is and hell, I love those games more. Not much else speaks to me. The 360 on the other hand feels like it’s buggered off with last generation’s monopoly on kickass RPGs. And that was why I loved the PS2 over it’s competitors. So you see I am biased there, but it’s due to the genres I’m into. Funnily enough the PS3 fanboys say only twtich gamers like 360 gaming and similar when it’s the PS3 that seems to currently be dominating in the FPS genre. Maybe they confused the PS2 and original XBOX with the newer consoles? lulz.
And yeah I agree with your paragraph on tech support completely as it’s basically what I was trying to say. Half the sony peeps haven’t dealt with any one problem before so that when you get problems you really do get problems. With the 360 you might get problems but the tech support have the experience gained from other such problems.
How the PS3 is compromised… Let’s see now…
Well firstly I noticed my PS3 overheated after several hours of movies. My standalone bluray player never seems to get the slightest bit hot. I believe my standalone player also has higher read speeds, but don’t quote me on that as it doesn’t say on the player itself and the box is somewhere in the mountain of boxes for all my products that still have a warranty. As a Linux box the cell processors do not seem to ever be fully utilised meaning I have a few cheap Linux boxes that do Linux a lot better. And add in a few USB ports over the current PS3′s two and we have a remarkedly improved experience. Onto gaming itself which is what really matters, the Xbox has a greater sized library, more games of genres I favour, more DLC including some for big name games that the PS3 misses out on, all other consoles seem to have some way of playing older games expanding their game libraries exponentially. The PS3 can play PSX titles still but most of those games are getting harder and harder to come by and those available for download are of a much smaller range than can be found elsewhere.
I just prefer to have one machine for games that plays them all really well, a good home theatre system with some nice 5.1 surround sound for my movies and music (mine plays both bluray and HD-DVD as well as all previous formats) and a few networked PCs for PC stuff. Granted it takes up more room, but I can do everything at once if I choose and none of my experiences suffer. Also a wireless network sucks turkey for gaming compared to a wired one and my xbox only overheats when I have my window closed and leave it on all day on a warmer day. As did most of my older consoles though.
My 360 elite’s been perfect with no problems since I unboxed it quite some time ago. Apart from the AV cables whose pins snapped off inside the TV when the console itself got bowled over by someone trying to jump out my window. While you’d think landing on the floor from about a metre at high enough speed for it to bounce would kill a gaming console, the 360 itself was fine much to my sigh of relief when I found it still worked. Did I mention it’s damn quiet as have been most newer 360s I have played?
Fable II, eh? I actually found that while a great game it didn’t live up to my expectations. Sort of like the first Fable… It’s worth playing but it’s not one of those uber great games that occasionally comes out.
I thought Fable 2 was pretty cool. Combat was too easy as was earning money, but I still loved it! It’s no Fallout 3, but I found it pretty enjoyable. It didn’t really fix a lot of the problems that plagued the original–main quest is still too short, the SIM stuff is still really superficial and Lionhead still can’t seem to figure out how to do the good/evil thing properly. But I still found it a huge improvement over the original. The original really disappointed me. An RPG that takes only 17 hours??? BAH!
Kso in the next form I think u should talk about the erros between the xbox and the ps3 becuase right now I have an xbox360 and I have had to send it in 4 times to fix erros so I would so like to know if there’s anything like that on the ps3 :)
There’s the Silver I remember.
I agree with you about RPG’s. The PS3 does need some more but they will arrive. I’d say I can’t wait for FFXIII but I don’t really have a choice.
As for the whole argument of the 360 being for twitch shooters I think that’s just an old image that’s stuck as the only games that seem to get mentioned are Gears of War & the Halo series. To my knowledge Killzone 2 & Resistance 2 are the only really good FPS on PS3 (for online anyway) & Killzone 2 is not really twitch. As for the lag on Killzone 2, never noticed it before the patch, or noticed the difference after, maybe I’m just not sensitive enough.
Haven’t tried Linux on the PS3 & probably won’t – Installing a separate OS on a games console to play a limited selection of pirated games available for Linux seems like a lot of effort, & if I was that way inclined the PC is the best platform for being a naughty boy by far. The 360 has a nice little run of illegal software for it as well, but it’s actually 360 games. I know you could potentially lose you Gold Account, but if you’re not into online gaming it’s there. Think I’ll stick to legit thanks.
Never had a problem with the PS3 overheating, mine barely gets warm… ever. It is one of the later 80GB non b/c models. Don’t know if it’s just the older ones that get a tad toasty as I’m sure the chip die has been shrunk on the later revisions.
I understand you’re point of view on having separate equipment for each task, but I’m in a situation where I live with my fiance, & we have one HDTV in the house, & it’s got to share the PS3, DVD/Blu-Ray, the Wii, & obviously TV, so the PS3 fits in nicely. Can’t say read speed ever occurred to me as an issue for films, the PS3 doesn’t take long to load up a Blu-Ray, & it doesn’t stutter when playing it, so don’t see any problem. If space wasn’t an issue I’d have my separates system set up, but it’s currently sat in the loft in boxes which hurts a bit.
As for the wireless for network gaming, I haven’t had any problems. It’s a 54mbps wireless as far as I’m aware, & we only have a 4mb broadband connection (UK speeds aren’t that great unless you’re sat on top of your local exchange) so it isn’t like I’d anything is holding it up. I play online wireless on the PC & PS3, & it’s been hitch/lag free. On PC find I have a ping between 30 & 100 on most servers, & these are old Medal of Honour AA home servers, & that’s a perfectly useable speed.
I know that Fable wasn’t the be all & end all, but I enjoyed it all the same. Makes a change from FPS. I’m going through FarCry 2 at the moment, & am at 92% & I’m quite bored with it to the point Ijust want to finish it so that I have something to trade in against Infamous next month (along with that farce that was named Prince of Persia – okay game, but it never deserved the PoP name).
I appreciate that there are always going to be preferences for this sort of thing, & I hope your 360 carries on working flawlessly.
I have an Xbox 360 and it has got the RROD twice, but after the second time it has not happened again and i’ve had it for a long time after. I think overall the Xbox is better. I use the Xbox online and although you have to pay I find it much much faster than the PS3′s free online. You get what you pay for.
Again, that “you get what you pay for” comment seems to crop up for Xbox Live, & yet they still say the PS3 is too expensive, it’s really not.
Isn’t a console going faulty twice more than enough, I know that every piece of technology can potentially break down, but 360 owners seem to wear the RROD, & E74 errors like a badge of honour in the same way that council estate kids wear an ASBO.
I never said the PS3 was too expensive. Just the base gaming features of the 360 were cheaper. =D
I HAVE said though that I have paid a good deal more for my 360 and it’s peripherals but such a set up gives me an unrivalled gaming experience. I honestly don’t mind paying that much for an experience that for me will be the best. Just like I have no qualms about paying several hundred dollars for some of the better wines available. You really do get what you paid for. =D
ok all i own a 360 pro 20g which is meant to be one of the so called dodgy consoles that causes the infamous readring and e74 errors i have never had any issues with my xbox360 and it has run all multimedia i have ever run through it connected to my pc but im still looking into buying a ps3… number 1 for the blueray feature and that the games are all built on the blueray disc…. now the true arguement about graphics can only be seen i suppose if you have a lcd or plasma that has true full hd 1080p capabibity so u can take full advantage of blueray capabilities but my question is as a potential buyer for ps3 are games built on the ps3 better looking because they are built on blueray disc vs the 360 with the hd-dvd if you have a top of the line lcd or plasma that supports full 1080p and own both consoles let me know if you have noticed any real differences graphics wise i want a blueray player anyways and if there are no differences even with a top end tv gaming wise i will just buy a blueray player and keep my 360 but if there is a noticeble difference with the ps3 gaming wise with the graphics lookin claner because there on bluerays 1080p im gettin one
graphics and resolution-wise on games– very difficult to discern between the 2 systems IMO (just b/c PS3 games on a Blu-Ray disc, doesn’t necessarily mean the games are utilizing all that extra media storage to develop better graphical games– most are not IMO.). My advice: get a PS3 if you’re interested in Blu-Ray AND PLAYING PS3 exclusive games… Otherwise, get a full 1080p stand-alone Blu-Ray, b/c it’ll be cheaper.
Silver,
The dig at people at who say the PS3 is too expensive wasn’t aimed at you personally, it was more of a general dig, sorry if you thought I was having a go, I really wasn’t.
Baha,
The games being put on Blu-Ray doesn’t make them any better looking, it’s purely a storage medium. What it does mean is that potentially you could store higher textures, & uncompressed audio, or bigger levels, or…just more of everything on a Blu-Ray for games than on a normal DVD. Metal Gear Solid 4 for instance is an example of that, but you could just as easily put a 360 game on multiple discs to overcome this. As far as the Movies side of things, from what I understand HD-DVD was a damn good format for quality & you probably wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference between that & Blu-Ray. I know officially the 360 only supports up to 1080i but can upscale to 1080p (please correct me if I’m wrong, it does happen), but the human eye has trouble telling the difference between 720p & 1080p unless you’re using a really really really large screen & sitting quite close to it. We have a 720p 40″ Samsung & when we bought it I couldn’t see the difference in the shop, & so wasn’t paying the extra £200-£300 price premium for the privelege of a larger number.
For gaming purposes you should only really get a PS3 if the exclusives to that platform appeal to you & you want a Blu-Ray player, the movie prices are coming down (in the UK they are only £2-£3 dearer than the DVD), & you won’t get new HD-DVD films being released. If you don’t want any of the existing or upcoming PS3 exclusives then a stand alone player might suit your needs better.
If you do end up with a Blu-Ray Player Warner have just given started a Red2Blu program to trade in Warner HD-DVD’s you no longer want for Blu-Ray discs – see http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10224852-1.html for more information. It’s not free, but it’s better than a smack in the face with a wet haddock.
In short, there is no noticeable difference in graphics between the PS3 & 360 due to Blu-Ray, & if in the future there is a graphical disparity between the 2 it will only be assisted by Blu-Ray extra storage, & not caused by it. Time will tell.
I bought a 360 because all my friends had one and the price was unbeatable ($199 CAN). One year later– after buying the wireless adapter, RB1, RB2, tons of games and about $300 in DLC– I wish I got the PS3 instead. I would’ve had blu-ray, all the same games (I don’t play Halo), easy hard dive upgrade and no pressure to build that gamerscore.
Well, today I bought a PS3. I intend on buying only PS3 games from now on, except for exclusives, and have relegated the 360 to a Rock Band console.
Well lets see, ps3 has no headset, no internet cable, no hdmi cable.
x360 elite has no wifi, has montly fees,
X360 Elite 299,- with RE5, wifi (60), xbox live ( 40 a year)
PS3 399,- with KZ2 + Headset (20) + wireless modem or cable ( 50 or 5 ), good quality hdmi cable (40~50).
Total X360: 299+60+40=399
Total PS3: 399+20+40+5=465
ps3 has blu-ray, but blu-ray players aren’t that expensive anymore ~150
360 has bigger harddrive.
Conclusion:
Ther both solid, but if you wine that 360 is much more expensive then UR WRONG!
wtf ur talking about?
why i should need a headset??? or a WIRELESSMODEM??? lol
alomost ALL devices today have wlan. and wlan works perfectly. so you dont need a headset or a cable or wireless modem. and a “good” hdmi cable costs MAX. 15€.
u just need an expensive HDMI cable i ur way from tv to device is very long. if u just have 1 or 1 1/2m or normal one is just fine.
and maybe a NONAME blu-ray player is 150 bugs. but ps3 is still THE BEST player on the market as far as i know. loading times and quality is awesome. and why buying an external one if u all could have it in one box?
and on ps3 i can switch in an 320GB drive without probs for under 50 bugs.
Conclusion:
bla. both same expensive in the end. -.-#
Alright, this might not be important or may be considered fanboy junk, but the one thing I really did like about the PS3 and the Playstation system in general is: the range of games. I mean you can play your PS2 games on PS3 (unless I’m mistaken If i am i’m dearly sorry). I like haveing some old school games cause (In my personal opionion) no gamer has ever not had a favorite old school game. So, some people will choose PS3 just to play their old games.
Now, on xBox’s side Halo has made it famous cause I mean lets face it 95% of the time if you own a xBox you own a Halo title. Now you were correct about it being better online gameing but if I’m not mistaken PSN is free I might be wrong about this but I mean I’ve always been a F2P gamer cause I seen gameing as a passtime I mean sure it get into sometimes but I’ve never said let me go spend my money to play online. Honestly, I play Aeriagames Online Games on my comp more than anything but I like when my friends come over chilling out and shooting some zombies or some angry soldiers or some assassin targets. As, mentioned earlier this is really a optional thing I mean if you are just a huge fan who loves PS games yeah PS3 is for you , but if you could care less about PS then maybe a xBox is for you. Because the most important thing is that your happy I mean if a system makes you unhappy and another makes you happy. The specs shouldn’t matter “Do what makes you happy”
I have a 360 elite a PS3 and a Wii…the Wii just flat out sucks…the online play on the 360 is far better…but I have to say that the PS3 is just better. And playstation home is far better than it was but it still isn’t the selling point of the PS3.
And the fact that you can run a second OS isn’t bad either! If you do decide to run a second OS then I would recomend getting a bigger hard drive(any laptop hard drive will work).
Dear All,
I tinkt coparison bwee PS3 and XBOX 360 might be in beowfields(based on your experiences(as i said bfore, I’m not a gamer right now, i’m going to be)):
1- Hardware; thery are different but it do make any differnce in picture qualiy at the momet, at least on cros platfom titles
2- Game title diversity; they both have enogh good games.
3- Price; difrence is not a big deal. Specially when we’re going to keep and play them for a long time period, the price difference will fade out
4- Reliabilty; PS3 is better.
5- Extra Featres;
PS3 has Blu-Ray, Free PSN, Capbility of Runing Second OS,…
XBox has headset, HDMI Cable, Better Online gaming, Bigger Hard drive,…
So,because I’m prudent and I dont like any crash and headache of repair and .. with all due respect to XBOX owners(and thank them for sharing their experience honestly) I’m going buy a PS3 based on number 4 and a little number 5.
What about sports games what one would be better for that?
The Wii!!!
In all honesty I think that *most* decent sports games go multiplatform. I’m not sure I know of too many sporty exclusives.
Apart from Go Sports Ski, & Go Sports Skydiving on PSN (which is hear is a bit naff), & MLB The Show, which is only any good if you like Baseball, I don’t know any more exclusives. I think they all go multiplatform. Lets be honest though, most of the 2009 ones are just weak rehashes of the 2008 ones with a roster update. Cheap cash ins for the most part. If people are going to keep buying this stuff, then EA & whoever else is just going to keep churning it out (which is understandable).
Okay, Who cares which one is better? Here is the thing, the PS3 will probably be better in the future now that the new Crytech 3 engine (I don’t think I titled it right) is coming out sometime in this or next year, but by the time the PS3 is finally the popular console. We will be like one or two years away till the new Xbox 720 and the PS4 finally come out. I have both systems plus the wii and I like the 360 just a little bit better than the PS3 because of the online play. Hardware-wise, the PS3 is better in processing power and the 360 has a better GPU chip, if the 360 had the same processing power as the PS3 then the 360 would be better Hardware-wise, but its not. What I love about the PS3 is the Blu-ray. Blu-ray is the best Media Player and it holds a lot of memory than a Dual-layer DVD. Now controller-wise, the 360′s controller feels more better and flexible, but since I have been playing the playstation since 1996. It feels more natural and I get more used to it than the xbox’s controller. With that said, the 360 owned the last three years, but the PS3 will be fighting back later on this year. Till then, 360 is still popular now that the new Xbox Live’s Primetime will be coming this summer. For all you PS3 fanboys, just wait a little bit longer and you will get what you wished for. Oh and for the Xbox fanboys. You are going to have to accept it and let the PS3 take over for now and wait for the new consoles to come out. In the end, We all win….
It really depends on what you like,but i went for the xbox cuz it was cheaper ,pretty much a mistake as ive now brought evrything for it and it got rrod again after working perfect for a year plus it makes more noise than than my pc and laptop,and it just generally feels cheap,on the plus side though the new interface was great and some of the exclusive games were awesome.Another thing is ive played ps3 online alot at friends and familys houses and it is the same give or take as xbl ,so realy what are we paying the extra money each year for ?.Just thought i’d add im now going to throw my xbox at bill gates and get a ps3 with killzone 2 lol.
omg seriously ppl i cant blieve ur all arguing about this, info givn by whoever made this page was definately helpful but this is just senceless bickering about which is better the xbox r the ps3 i mean cmon i hav had an xbox360 since the release date and the so called ”ticking time bomb” had never exploded on me so b4 u start callin me a fanboy of the xbox id like to say that im gettin a ps3 soon, i just waited 4 it to bcum cheaper and hav a variety of games for it. i came to this page looking to see is there really much point in getting the ps3 since i hav the xbox, ive concluded no but im still gona get a ps3 for exclusives and the laggless experience i hav gotten from playing my friends ps3′s so all in all dont reply to this comment i just think ur fightin over nuthin there both great and the consoles dont hav problems YOU ppl do im sorry if u find that offensive but this is just poinless ranting (thanks 4 the comparison)
This is by far the best comparison I have read. I think the conclusion is the best part as if completely takes the point out of fanboy arguments. It really is all based on opinion, and what was said could not have been more correct.
I too personally prefer the PS3, and the future is looking bright.
which currency is used in this argument? AU$? i assumed it was but a ps3 80gb here is AU$650! is this just really expensive or is he using american dollars or sumthing?
Hi Again,
I’ve ordered a PS3 80 GB, at last.
Any knows how much bandwidth do I need to play online?(For exmple for FIFA Soccer 2009 or some thing like that)
Becaus I’m buying an ADSL internet connection for this purpose.
thanks.
You don’t need that much bandwidth for gaming. Any broadband connection should be enough. I run on a 4MB bandwidth at the moment, & haven’t noticed any lag to speak of.
ok heres one for u i have owned meny consoles right back to the commador 64 (and no im not really old im 19) and the best one is the SNES i have a pc, ps3, xbox 360(elite) and a wii and ur all making ur selves look like a bunch of 5yr olds in a playground say how ur Yoyo is better than the other kids is all about UR own views.
I have had 3 PS3′s network adaptor includeing the WiFI died on one, a disc shattered in 1 and 1 is still working i have also had 1 xbox 360 and 1 xbox 360 Elite the first one died because it got knocked down my stairs (it was one of the first made and i had that until the end of last year with no problems until the accident) and the elite is still working now with no problems and i have had it since they came out. but this said the xbox 360 wins for me in this argument just for the online play the wii comes a close 2nd just for the fun of it and looking at how stupid some ppl look playing it.The ps3 has gone to my step dad he likes it more becuse hes a bit of a sony fan boy (he has had 3 sony mp3 players and 2 32″ sony plasma tv’s that died because of lots of ps3 play on them) + im still on my first wii.
RIGHT ON!
I agree that the SNES was the greatest console ever made along with the Sega Megadrive/Genesis. Those games were just way too addictive and continue to be today.
But damn, three PS3s carking it on you? That’s just damn bad luck. =(
And yeah, my favouritism of the 360 often comes down to things others find trivial. I prefer the game library and the smaller features like a superior online experience. But hey, I’m just an RPG fanatic and will flock to whichever console/s have the more RPGs. And I think I’ll be grabbing a PS3 again sooner rather than later as apparently Tales of Vesperia has chucked an Eternal Sonata and will be rereleased with additional content on the PS3.
I really have no excuse not to have bought another already with the wages I”m currently earning. :/
Dears
The sales agent of the sony center told me today that there is two model of PS3, PAL and NTSC. Also she said the PAL model is 35$ more expensive tha the NTSC model. Is it right?
Which shoud I go for?
I always thought PAL and NTSC are obsolete terms of resolution, and todays we’re all speaking of HD and Full HD or 720 i/p , … .And All Models of PS3 are Full HD 1080p Support, then there must not be a PAL or NTSC!!!
Maybe it is only for backward compatiblity to PS2. And if I play only PS3 games, there should not be any difference in quality
Am I Right?
Good writing. You should consider writing social, environmental and political subjects. Just the truth as you see it.
Bob
PAL/NTSC isnt resolution how ur thinking about it its regonal PAL is for europe TV’s and NTSC isnt just NTSC it normaly has a country code involved E.g NTSC/J for japan
Yay, I just spent $90 to put a 360gb HD in my PS3 without voiding it’s warranty. It was super easy to do. Also I hope to be putting windows on my PS3 soon, so I can play PC games on it.
I love my PS3.
I think the PS3 is a better console. That is my opinion, the XBOX does have some respectable features and games, but the more powerful (and yet untapped) CPU, Blu-Ray player and other multimedia features really sold me.
However, I’m currently heavily dissapointed with how Sony is handling the PS3. Cutting on the backwards compatibility, leaving thousands of gamers with PS2 games that can’t no longer be played because they either sold their original PS2 console or got a PS2 game instead of a PS3 game from a clueless grandma, it’s a big let-down.
I just wish they would put up a SKU that had all the niceties, 4 USB ports, card reader (even if it would be only memory sticks) and backwards compatibility. If they want to charge an extra for these features, so be it. I’d gladly pay the extra for the ability to play my old PS2 games. I’m angry to see that Sony neglects a lot of people that have adopted their new console on the premise that it would support their old games along with the new ones. Heck, it doesn’t have to achieve 100% compatibility, it could do just well with emulation.
Alright, a very good few articles about this argument between ps3′s and 360′s. I like the idea of you not putting much of your personal opinons down but i still would like a proffesional view point on this. heres my personal opinon on xbox anyway + the future xboxs to come (btw the way dont call me a fanboy cos it sounds gay)
Argument: If you have a cardboard box wrote in GREEN pen XBOX 360 and inside you put compct crap and closed it, it would be an xbox.
360 fanboy Argument: if you had a bigger box wrote ps3 in BLACK pen filled it with mere compact crap it would be a ps3
Counter Argument: More Crap = more intelligence = Ps3
BTW ITS ALL ABOUT THE SHINYNESS PS3 VERY SHINY XBOX 360 DULL
SHINYNESS MAN SHINYNESS
*ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY PIEZ*
*PIEZ*
TY for reading
Sony is empowering the console and needs to change some firmware instructions. Now is the time to take off and put other competitors on back, So Sony is using more power of the huge hardware that we bought. After these changes we’ll get more diffrent incredible games. In fact, sny is trying to keep backward compatiblity to earlier PS3 games. I think playing PS2 games is very important and also very fun. But keep in mind what are we losing to keep playing old games. We are losing an enormous process capacity and hundreds of complex instruction in the CPU and GPU, that Sony did not deliver them to game programmers, because it must consider the backward compatiblity. Although, this is not the only reson for the Sony. The must also give the game programmer some time to get used to programming on and incredible powered platform.
As I recently got, programmers are making the stroy lines bigger and longer and also they are changing the whole atmospher of the Video Games world. In these new world your not just walking through the story line intill the end. You can walk in width of it. I mean, you can play in many roles in parallel to go the next level. All of these big difference is accessible by the huge storage capacity of Blu-ray Disk(that is invented by Sony).
So, love your PS3 mor than before, and be proud of it and also wait for phenomenal games that are coming gradually.
Just being reading some news about Sony & Microsoft potentially showing off some motion sensing equipment of their own at E3. Personally, I’m not fussed as I prefer lazy gaming sat on my bum with a controller, even sixasis on Rag Doll Kung Fu is a bit too much effort after a hard day at work.
Just a quick thought though – Microsoft are apparently going to be releasing something that offers full body motion support that lets you kick & punch in fighting games, & get properly involved. Now, I’m not saying it’s not a good idea for the type of gamer who likes this sort of thing, after all it works for the Wii, but I mentioned a while ago a thing BBC Watchdog did on 360′s scratching DVD’s when people just walk around their living room or use Rock Band, etc (I assume it’s just the older units that suffer from this) .
Aren’t Microsoft just inviting more complaints about something they don’t currently cover under their warranty scheme. I can see lots of copies of Tekken 6 or Soul Caliber 53 getting wrecked, & if they put a jump mechanic in there, even Tomb Raider or GTA are at risk.
Maybe they could release some sort of shock absorbing base with it.
Before anyone thinks I’m jus 360 bashing ,I’m not (I need to find somebody I can borrow a 360 off just so I can play Fable II). I personally don’t like the idea of anybody bouncing round the room when there’s expensive electrical equipment around, & we’ve all heard about the insurance claim rise due to Wii Injuries. I have seen drunken yobs at my fiances birthday party nearly run into our brand new (at the time) wallmount HDTV whilst doing the jogging on Wii Fit, & it’s damn scary (& sobering). I don’t want to put my PS3 through that,.
Also, a side effect of this is that house insurance costs will go up if all 3 consoles are doing this (100 millon+ people scaring the cat stupid, doesn’t bare thinking about).
I like the whole article, and a large congradualtion to the effort put in this article.
Now to my main point, KAZACKSTAN mentioned previously the in depth details of a Xbox 360. Through some revision I have undertook from reading the comment, I come to beleive there are some minor errors in this statement. From in depth revision, it seems the Xbox 360 is not in particular a cardboard box, but from scientific results from a sample of Xbox 360 exterior, it is actually a Ice Cream box.
KAZACKSTAN also mentioned about the green pen which would be used to label the Xbox 360, as a Xbox 360. This statement is true to some extent, BUT, if the Xbox 360 was attached with a new faceplate… it would be a whole different situtation, a situation where one sad little 360 user would have to purchase a range of different coloured pens, and draw Metal Gear Solid sketches on the front, for instance.
Also in depth revision seems to uncover that the PS3 is not a Ice Cream box at all, but a solid titanium, slim line box, with the contents of Japanese crap, said to be the most intelligent crap, unlike Bill Gates’, due to Japanese’s high fibre diet. Therefore, the PS3 is packed with this largely intelligent Japenese crap, thus making it such a intelligent peice of machinery.
Another distinctive point of the Ice Cream box containing Bill Gates’ crap is that it smells, and the Japenese crap’s smell it some what disinguised by the fibre within it, and the smell of glory and proudness which arises from the PS3 everytime you think about it. This is caused due to being so proud of owning such a peice of machinery.
To conclude this comment on the article, I would like to mention that these corrections were made in a manner of friendship, and not spite on the lack of education KAZACKSTAN displayed on the contents and exteriors of the two consoles.
The pride thing, that’s like with cars, right?
Like…
Men with smaller goods need to compensate for their smaller goods with a more suave machine, yeah?
Or that’s what I got from your comment anyways. =D
dAMn i have 360 but i wana ply disgaea 3 :P
Get a PS3 then. Like the 360, they’ve gotten a good deal cheaper these days (at least in my region).
Though the wii seems to have gained price. I think at the moment a Wii costs $100 more here than a 360 Arcade. ($400ish as opposed to $300ish.) Bear in mind these are Aussie prices, in the US you’d pay less which might be more depending on the value of whoever’s dollar and which countries get fucked over more in terms of console prices.
My third xbox 360 just died, video problems this time. I just sold all 360 games and will buy a PS3 this month. Sorry MS
This is a great review.
Personally, I have a PS3, but yea, been thinking about trading it in and getting an xbox, got alot of xbox mates, and so many games I want on the xbox, but there’ll be a couple of games I want on the ps3, but after reading this I reckon I’ll just save up and buy an xbox and keep the ps3 for the blu-ray and exclusives on it :P.
Thanks for this review
This is a great article, well done. I get sick of the “console wars”, and this story really points out the facts. I have played the 360 a lot over at my friends’ houses, and it’s truly a great system. All of my friends own xbox 360′s, and when I started making noise about buying either a 360 or PS3 they all wanted me to go with the xbox so I could play online with them. But, for me personally, I don’t really play much online. The fact that the PS3 has a blu-ray player, and Metal Gear Solid 4, caused me to buy the PS3 without much thought. Graphics and online capability are not important to me, but exclusive titles and a blu-ray player are. I think that, a lot of times, people buy what they can afford or whatever is easier for them, and want everyone else to conform to their purchase to justify the money they put down for their respective system. And that’s dumb.
I love the xbox 360, but I now own a PS3, simple as that!
I don;t understand why people throw the RROD in the conversation when talking about which is better. I personally have had a Xbox 360 since day 1, yes day 1 and I have only had the RROD once, yes once in 3 years. Yes i play a lot. I play on average 10 hours a day. Yes I have a life and yes I play a lot. So it might just be the piece of shit taking care of the gaming console. I personally think the xbox is better FOR ME cause xbox live, Halo, Gears, and things. If you think PS3 is better, thats your opinion. Neither one is BETTER. And for you people saying xbox sales is more cause of RROD, then divide the sales in half and it STILL sold more, but who really cares. Just PLAY you fucking game and SHUT THE FUCK UP.LoL
I agree with everything you mentioned here. However, I have only had my 360 for a year and 2 months and i got the RROD. A good friend of mine has had a PS3 since launch and has had absolutely no problems. It does speak to the product reliability of Microsoft. One would think that after a year or two of problems they would correct the problem after a generation or two of the console, but then again it is certainly all perspective. if you like online play I still would recommend a 360, and if you get a 360 get a gold membership, like the article said you get what you play for. If you want reliability in your hardware, equal game quality (I’m not saying better), and a Blu-Ray player at a higher price by all means get a PS3. Might I also mention that I have had a Wii since launch and have no problems with it. It is fair to mention I only play one game on it and that is rare when i do, but my wife abuses it like a 3 year old in K-Mart.
This is my second RROD and I’m done with my 360. I do play SF4 a lot online and love having nexflix stream Dora the Explorer for my screaming kids, but I’m done. I need reliability with my system. As soon as my 360 comes back I’m selling it. All my friends are slowly moving towards the ps3 anyway due to the RROD.
RROD, yeah I’m currently waiting for my 4th replaced xbox from Microsoft. (second in just as many months) I’ve had a 360 since the beginning, but I’m giving strong consideration into bailing in favor of ps3 now…
I own all three consoles. I mostly play on the Xbox 360. I had one console RROD on me, it was not a launch console (I am a techno whore and had traded up to get HDMI). It took 8 days including shipping for repairs–all of which was free. I then traded up to a Jasper. My PS3 is the 80 GB version, I tried to find a 20 GB to upgrade the HD and have PS2 compatibilty but none had USB connectors that were not corroded.
Linux installed on a PS3 sucks eggs. So if you want to make this a computer replacement your choice is use the browser to get access to online apps, lots of online productivity apps are available, as well as streaming movie sites (free). Problem is the browser sucks.
Question is how do I improve the browser to Opera or Firefox quality and make My PS3 a PC surrogate?
OK>
Here is my opinion on these consoles.
Xbox = better online, and more people online,
Ps3 = OK online, home, better games (in my opionion–killzone 2, MGS4, socom, and MAG, which no one has mentioned: it has 256 player online rooms…CRAZY and will not lag due to new engine AND is made by zipper interactive who made the SOCOM name great)
ps3 also has bluray, more hard drive space, and wifi capabilities
AND ps3 has PSP compatibility, which means the psp can access your ps3 from across the world
but i am dissappointed that the ps3 took away ps2 BC
dont get me wrong, xbox is great but…
Yes. I admit it. I am a ps3 fanboy (by the was ps3 has a quiet fan compared to xbox irritatingly loud fan) but I am trying to be polite.
Kirk,
People throw the RROD, & E74 etc about, because reliability is a factor when purchasing anything that has the potential to breakdown. As an example, I have been buying Japanese cars for years because they have a reputation for being reliable, & so far that reputation has been proven correct, to me at least, & on the couple of occassions I have bought other makes (Ford, & Fiat) & had to get rid of them as they were going to cost too much to fix, rather than just wanting something newer. It is unusual to have to consider this with a piece of ectronic equipment though, but with the 360 it is an issue.
I’m not suggesting for a second that your decision (or anybody elses for that matter) to buy a 360 is wrong, & I’m glad you’ve had minimum problems with it. You obviously have to pick the console that has the exclusive games you want to play (after all, what’s the point of getting a console for games you don’t want to play?!), & to consider how that piece of equipment will fit into your home & life. The PS3 works for me, obviously the 360 works for you.
Just need to point out a coule of flaws in your argument about xbox sales not being because of the RROD. Firstly, I do believe that some people have bought 2nd, & maybe more 360′s due to faulty units either not under warranty, or because they want a spare unit whilst theirs is being repaired, & I do believe that a fair number of 360′s have been put in the bin, but like most people, I do not know what that percentage is, & I suspect it’s reasonably low (I know I occassionally make sarcastic remarks about xbox selling more due to this, but honestly, I think it happens, but not as much as some PS3 fanboys would like to think).
Secondly, if you split the 360 sales in half, it would have sold just under 15 million, which is less than the 21 million plus units the PS3 has sold.
Oh, & telling people to shut the ***** up isn’t going to work. it’s a forum, it’s here for discussion, & if you’re entitled to say your piece & state your opinion (including the choice language) then I think everybody else is, regardless of their opinion.
Kaden,
are replacement 360s even counted in the number of units each sold? Just wondering if anyone actually knows this as it would really kick that argument in the balls if the number was strictly units sold and not units replaced. Most people tend to use the warrenty if their 360 does die, especially as it’s been extended to three years.
And I support Kirk’s right to tell people to shut up. Just as I also support the right of anybody else to ignore any words to that effect. lol
As for reliability, the PS2 had a lot more units break down than the original Xbox did. Which was the better console? To me and I’m almost sure many others, it was the PS2. Reliability and better hardware mean jack if there’s fewer games you like. Or to most people who like their consoles for playing games anyways.
I know this is a bit late, but do you really go out and buy cars like fucking candy? Cars have nothing to do with the current arguements floating about, (We’re not talking about the reliability of a car, we’re talking about gaming consoles). I think you’re in the wrong blogging space.
I prefer to rent limos.
It actually works out to be cheaper than a taxi if going long distance half the time.
Once again, it’s all about the experience. I love being driven around in a car with ample legroom not having to care how drunk I might be. :D
I think that technically speaking, the PS3 is better but if I was buying a console to play online, which is usually what most people do, I wouldn’t mind the subscription fee and get a Xbox.
Actually, I think it all comes down to the games. The 360 used to have the edge but some amazing PS3 exclusives came out or are going to be released soon. I would probably pick my games first, and then get the console that goes with it.
Technically speaking both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses which those making decent ports will have a load of fun struggling with unless they’ve gained some prior experience there. lol
But you’re totally correct with that last part. Picking a console with the games you want should be your main priority. If you’re buying a console strictly for it’s multimedia capabilities, there are cheaper units that do it all better available these days.
I’ve had a xbox 360 for 3 years and wouldn’t hear a bad word against it. However, alot of my friends brought PS3′s when they came out and I felt that the 360 had the upper hand graphically with the PS3 being young and finding it’s feet. I have recently purchased a PS3 after seeing Killzone 2 and was totally taken back by it’s brilliance. Now, after having a PS3 for over a month I haven’t touched my 360 of which I’m ashamed to say in many ways, (purely because I have defended 360 for so long) that I prefer everything the PS3 offers to the 360 (blu-ray, looks far more pretty as a system etc) . Certain games like the COD’S for instance, there isn’t a great amount of difference between 350 and PS3 graphically. However, I did feel FIFA 09 was better on the ps3.
Now that I own both consoles, I have to concede that I prefer the PS3 (as painful as it is for me to admit that because I’ve defended the 360 for so long) However I really do feel it depends on what you want from your console like this well balanced article has said.
For me, there are just TWO important things you should consider before buying.
1.On which console you can play Metal Gear Solid 4.
2.With which console you don’t have to PAY for games.
on the one hand, it sucks to pay 50$ or whatever for every game you want to play,
while with the xbox I could simply download everything, just like on my good old PS2.
on the other hand, what point is there to buying a next gen console if you can’t play MGS on it?
I’ll get a PS3.
also the Dualshock3 is way better in my opinion, and it’ll suck playing PES with xbox controllers.
Graphically 360 is the best.the only reason mgs4 was so amped up is bcause of its blu-ray storage space.dvd doesnt have nearly as much space but if it did we mighta seen it go multiplaform.but i think re5 looks a lil better than mgs4 anyway and with it being multiplatform it should look better than ps3′s re5.
i think the xbox would be a better choice but you are right Solid Snake the dualshock3 controllers rock. If you buy a ps3 you can’t play online with friends that stinks and the games cost 50$ to 60$ thats a lot of money when you can just download games on the xbox and on the ps3 somtimes on my uncles ps3 it freezes when you try to turn on the system and turn it off. it all so freezes when you try to get online so please get the xbox
Erik,
WHAT? Games are same price on both systems AAA’s are 60 bucks downloadable games are 5 or 10 bucks (some times more) on both systems. What in this article lead you to beleive you couldn’y play online with freinds? Xbox is faster online (I think a little, maybe not) and has some nice features like party chat and auto-invite and some others.
Also why does everyone say no one plays home? when i go on(which i rarely do) there are always lots of people on. Maybe no “gamers” play home but it should still be a consideration for people who like to talk to alot of people and make new psn freinds. Also i think right now it has 12-15 game spaces each having their own interactivity/games some more than one. Plus theres the Xi thing which is kinda cool.
SOOOOO many exclusive AAA’s announced right now for ps3 compared to 360 (prob gonna change at E3. this year (in total): Killzone 2, Infamous, God of war, MAG, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, gran turismo 5, ratchet and clank, fat princess (psn game)
PLUS the fallout DLC is coming to Ps3 and exclusive dlc for batman but i wont go into this because xbox beats ps3 on exclusive dlc by sooooo much.
I have owned my 360 for less than 12 months. I have had to return it for repairs 3 times. Twice it scratched the snot out of my discs. This last time it simply froze up. I was playing Fall Out 3 and it froze. I put in Xmen Origins Wolverine and it would freeze up just after the copyright info. No other game I put in it would work.
I have scoured the net for a comparison of the 360 to the ps3 and here is what I have found: The only reasonably measurable difference is reliability. I went to every major retailer of console games imaginable and I heard this 3 different times, “I’ve never had a ps3 come back for repairs.”
I purchased a 360 for Gears. I will miss playing it but I am done with my 360. I get this one back, the console, my games, everything will hit ebay: ps3 here I come.
PS: MLB 2k9 is awful. Given this day and age of graphics that game would have looked bad on a Sega Genesis.
yeah so dude, microsoft also does disc repair and exchange for a small fee. you might want to look that up online
To be honest I’m pretty sure I’m done with the 360
I have gone thru two systems because they tallied up on me.
One likes to be a Dj Screw-up with my games and scratch them like crazy.
They other infamously RROD on me.
I think the first one took less than a year to do so.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved Halo 3. I was good at it. However, whats the point if the system is going to talley up one day, no if ands or butts, its going to one day.
I finally got a job now and I’m gonna save up (after I pay my ticket) and most likely buy a PS3
I have a bunch of 360 games and gonna sell those to Gamestop for I don’t care how much; gas money and a 99cent hamburger, I’ll take it.
Hi Silver,
Sorry I didn’t reply to your post a week ago, but was on holiday. It was awesome but after a week with no technology it’s nice to be home.
As for your point, I don’t think the repaired/replaced units would class as sales, but there is definitely an element of some serious gamers buying second or replacement units when theirs goes faulty out of warranty or just to have a second unit in case of faults. As I stated before I don’t think it’s as high a number as some PS3 fanboys would like to make out, but it’s definitely there. I’ve read it enough in forums (unless it’s a lot of sad PS3 fanboys trying to make the 360 bad, which could account for some of it).
You can defend Kirks right to tell people to shut up, & I can defend my right to tell him that telling people to shut up isn’t going to work, but that argument could just go round & round forever, but I get your point.
As for the PS2 reliability, the only problem I had was the laser, & I suspect that was because it was chipped (I did hear that chipping a PS2 was a major reasons that a lot of lasers failed. It was just a rumour, but it was a persistent rumour none the less).
Meh, I had several PS2s die, those slim ones tend to die quickest. Bleh.
But even though I haven’t had one 360 die on me thus far, the PS2s I owned tended to go the extra mile which is why they fried/failed. We’re talking 72 hour straight RPG runs and the like, especially as I had the time a couple years back. I bet I could kill a PS3 doing the same sort of thing honestly, and a 360 wouldn’t stand a chance neither.
But yeah, PS2s did get a few problems time to time, just as the 360s did and in a few cases still do. Never mattered to me due to warranties and loving games so much a few hundred bucks every so often didn’t seem like so much. I always went for the machine with the games I liked most, and in this case it was and is still the 360.
That said, I got another PS3 again and am wondering if the winds might be changing soon. Eternal Sonata and Vesperia updated with expanded content and enough exclusives to start making me look more seriously at the PS3 I guess. But until a few more tidbits are sent my way, I’ll be 360in’ it all the way.
Also I underestimated the Wii’s fun factor. Virtual Console and newer titles like House of the Dead and Mad World kick some serious ass, and Mad World actually had me liking the Wii controllers for the experience.
I’ve had a PS3 for one year and 3 months. I enjoyed it, but it never has had any advantages over XBOX and never will. It’s power simply will not be tapped before the next gen systems start coming around. Just the other day, it suddenly decided to stop reading ALL discs (I didn’t play it for hours on end, it was stored in a well ventilated area and I NEVER physically abused it, so you jack holes out there who want to try to accuse me of this can stuff it). It won’t read games, BR, or DVD. Nothing. Period. From what I can tell this is a frequent problem (though Sony claims there is only a 1% fail rate to which I call BS). Of course it is out of warranty now and they want to charge me 150 dollars to fix it, thus making an obsolete machine 600 dollar cost to me. As far as I’m concerned they should be required to extend the warranties on these pieces of shit. I can tell you safely that I will NEVER again do business with Sony. If I want to continue my gaming I will have to go with XBOX. Sony is dead to me.
Yeah Shaun, 1% seems a lot worse than the 43% failure rate on the Xbox 360. I got an Xbox 360 on release and have since had 4 break on me. Enjoy paying 100 bucks for the wireless adapter and your dead format HDDVD peripheral, just to have the system break on you…again… I’m going to go watch a blu ray and maybe surf the internet wirelessly on my working PS3. Hell, maybe i’ll even play 60 person online resistance 2 on severs without paying 60 bucks a year for P2P online ya tool.
Where’d you pull 43% from, eh?
Too bad web surfing and movie watching seems to be what many PS3 owners do. I always tended to play games on my consoles as that seemed most logical to me. No, my kickass entertainment unit tends to play blu-ray’s a lot better than the PS3 and any of my computers can trump the PS3′s computing performance including machines that are several years old. Higher resolutions too, it’s AMAZING!!!
I’m gonna be playing games while I surf and chat to my buddies on MSN and XBL. Hell maybe I’ll go buy some nice Cubans that those struggling to afford XBL can’t afford. The ironic thing is you called Shaun a tool when you’re only too happy to fork out on a console that’s still rather pricey and hasn’t met it’s potential and mightn’t before more consoles are released. Oh I bought it too, but then again I don’t go calling people tools for buying the experience they want unless agitated first. =)
After reading miles of comments, I haven’t reached to conclusion yet.
Basically, I reside in Pakistan, my brother is in London, and he’s coming to Pakistan in a month. He told me to decide b/t Xbox 360 and PS3. Neither of us know which one is better..
I need your people advise
I’m a game player at home not an online player because net speed in our country is not good coz 256kb/s speed package give me constant speed of 40kb/s, so I think online gaming won’t work.
Reliability , we don’t have trust worthy service centre from both Microsoft and Sony…
Heard a lot of RROD issue in Xbox 360.
What is the feature of HDMI?
How much Process speed in both console?
Thankx in advance
@shaun: baka. maybe u are the damn 1%!? i mean look alone at the comments. from around 500peeps talkin about their ps3 ur part of a unbelievable small minority complaining that their PS3 fails. so congrats…ur a 1% guy…
and btw. no hardware is failsafe. the question is just how fast and how many die. get happy with ur xbox…i wonder what ya play when(not if…WHEN) that one brokes…stone, paper, scissors?
@inspire:
take a PS3 if u dont use online play. u also have a nice blurayplayer then :)
to some up:
online: xbox360
offline and bluray: PS3
1%guys: stone, paper, scissors?
My 360′s never broken and neither have most of my mates. :)
Especially not with the newer models.
And don’t diss Rock Paper Scissors damnit.
Beats half the stuff on both consoles.
This guy is a joke, Ive had both 360 and ps3
by far my ps3 is better no dout.
He lies about the online, hard to track mates, hard to talk to them wtf -.- clearly this guy hasnt got a ps3. although the xbox does the same they are at the same level at this point.
he shows the exclusives that xbox have and then ps3! he misses AHELL of alot off the ps3 exclusives from this year, Killzone 2, Resistance 2 << Should be BOLD, burn zombie burn and AHELL of ALOT more jesus -.-.
Im no fan boy although what i said directly says i am, Im just defending the consel and the biased remarks this guy says!
Tbh Constermer support for ps3 is 100times better then i ever got on xbox! My worenty on ps3 lasted 3 years on my ps3, ive had it since it came out. NO FUALTS, NEVER sent it Out to be fixed. With my 360 i sent it out at the least 6 times and it took weeks to be brought back.
on the up side, 360 graphics are better, Gears 2 is amazingly lush. BUT Killzone 2 is the most beautiful game ive ever seen, not in the sence as dark, grim, as the game through most of its campaign and online mode is. But everything is smooth, not clunky, Fps is perfection graphics are amazing.. i must say better then any xbox 360 game i owned.
+ ive noticed xbox 360 are the same graphics just with abit of light and shine in some area’s i agree it makes it look better in most cases but thats really the only diffrence i see.
Conclusion
Ps3 are the better consel to own and play, and have great costomer support and i have had countless fun with mates and random peeps playing various of games!
Xbox360 better graphics in some cases, has Un-believbley shit costomer service, social such as, friend – messaging, talking, playing games with mates, achievments basicly the same as ps3. online is flooded with yankies which make me wanna just leave games.
Wii Buy one if you have a life :)
I personally own a Wii and ps3 got rid of the 360
O_o Right….
Let me start by saying you lost me on that bit about Zombie Jesus or whatever it was.
Now Tom, this article’s exclusives…
Take a look when this article was written. I believe the guy does say he was comparing the two consoles for that year. Yeah, it’s in the graph. Exclusives of 2008. Not 2009, 2008.
You might not be a ‘fan boy’ but you seem quite biased (as most of us are including those who lack knowledge of what the word means) and the funny thing is that the reviewer himself claimed to prefer the PS3.
Customer support I suspect to differ by region as they’re both totally incompetant here with Sony being worse due to not knowing how to solve any serious problems. They’re good at things like telling idiots how to get online and things like that, but useless for the important stuff.
Conclusion:
I agree that the PS3 might be the better consel as I don’t know what a consel is and you seem to be quite an expert, but I don’t see it as the best gaming console. And PS3 trophies still aren’t at the level of 360 achievements. A gamer who owns both consoles would also recognise how much better the 360 handles the social aspects, especially in terms of how they’re integrated into the interface.
I personally own all three as well as a few PSPs and Nintendo DS/is. Doesn’t make my opinion infallible.
I own all 3 consoles and have played countless hours on each one so i believe my opinion is a good one. Let me get the Wii out the way, this one I play the least but was the most addictive at first because of its interactivity but got really old so I gave up on it. Yes my 360 had the RROD and really pissed me off but after sending it back via phone to some Indian guy who I could not understand I have since had no problems with it and graphics wise isn’t much different from my ps3 but i spend the most time on this one because of its far superior online gaming. My ps3 has some major issues when it comes to the bluetooth connectivity with the controllers, they always don’t respond by not connecting the signal and its more annoying the the RROD. This isnt just my problem, Ive read forums and others have this problem. The 360 has the best interface and its my pick but after many hours of COD on ps3 I have grown more attached to the feel of the ps3 control then the 360′s simply because its much lighter and more comfortable, to bad bluetooth sucks bloody balls. If it were not for the online gaming however I’d go with my ps3 simply because Blu-ray discs are WAY better they dont scratch and the console makes less noise plus the ps3 looks way better. ( unless you own an elite which looks pretty cool )
They so totally do scratch, they’re just more scratch resistant. I noticed personally while less likely to scratch even a more minor scratch can make some games totally unplayable.
I’ve heard there is a TDK manufactured blu-ray disc that is almost impervious to scratching, but the average disc seems to scratch just as easily as most dvds have.
Hi kaden… a quickie from me…
I am considering buying XBOX 360 but here in India, its much more expensive than US, UK. One of my friends is in UK and i am thinking to buy a used piece from UK, bundled with many games along with it.
My question is – Do you foresee in my using it in India? Also, I know the DVD region is different in India and UK – would there be a problem running the dvds here?
Do you foresee any other problem that I dont in this?
Hi Varun,
If you’re after a 360 I personally wouldn’t suggest getting one second hand from the UK for a few reasons, but this is just my opinion.
Firstly, & most importantly the 360 is DVD region coded for games (as far as I’m aware), so you’d have to import PAL region discs to be able to play them. If you google -xbox 360 dvd game region – it looks like there may be ways to hack the xbox to play other regions, but I’m not sure what it involves, & you don’t want to destroy a second hand console.
Secondly, new 360′s are apparently a lot more reliable than the old ones, & depending on the age of your UK friends 360, you may end up with problems down the line (you may also get away with a console that works flawlessly for years) & it’s a risk I personally wouldn’t want to take.
Thirdly, power. If it’s a UK unit, it will have a 3 pin plug designed to work on 240v mains. I’m sure you can pick up an adaptor to make it work if it’s not the same power supply there, but it’s going It could be extra expense you could put towards a new 360.
You’ve obviously made your mind up on which console you want & I’m not going to try & persuade you otherwise. I gather cost is an issue, but personally I’d save up for a new 360 locally & try to find the best deal either in shop or online.
I can’t really offer any more advice as I don’t have a 360, so what I have stated is mainly quick research off Google, & what I know of the 360 from forums like this & general internet browing. I suggest asking Silver if you need any more information as he is more knowledgeable in the ways of xbox than I am. (Sorry I’m a PS3 man myself).
Hope this helps somewhat, & if I’m wrong on any of these points, it would be appreciated if somebody could correct me & offer Varun some sound advice.
I live in Australia and have a few friends who prefer importing US consoles for the exclusives and the like.
The only things I can think of are that you’ll need to buy a new 360 power cable (or adapter) and possibly a new set of AV cables which can be fairly cheap if you opt for third party (only applies to PAL cables in an NTSC region and vice versa). Also bear in mind that some games are region locked so you may need to check a game is multiregion before you buy it (most seem to work regardless) and in the cases of games that are locked to a region you’ll just need to import those titles or purchase imports from a local import store.
The best advice I can give is to look for an online seller who includes cables for your country with the 360 you’re after. There are some good sellers out there who do the work for you as buying the cables in bulk can actually mean they make a bit more money while you pay less than you would have for the console and cables seperately.
Varun,
Just had one of my infrequent ideas (it happens occassionally). If you can get the power issue adaptor sorted cheaply, & find out that hacking the 360 to make it run your local region discs without any risk is an option, then you could consider buying a new unit from the UK or US if it works out cheaper.
Just a thought.
Ill admit that for games they are BOTH good, but in terms of a MULTIMEDIA center its HANDS DOWN for an extra 100 bucks. You want a blu-ray player, a browser, potential better graphics YES (uncharted 2 will actually USE the ps3′s hardware unlike 90% of the game developers who SLACK ass. Like come on quit bitching and figure out the hardware, in other words DO YOUR JOB) not to mention free online membership AND a dvd/cd player as well. The ps3 can do EVERYTHING the xbox 360 can + lots more eventually doing it much better. Your thinking of buying a system don’t give me that poor shit, if you can afford a 360 you sure as hell can save an extra hundred bucks that month and get quality.
Quality is why I prefer to xbox game. Even if I went through a couple 360s a week, it’s my preferred experience and I’d be all too happy to pay that amount. I don’t give a toss about how well gaming can be in the future, as far as I’m concerned I’ll play whichever plays best in the here and now and jump ship if there is a swing around.
The PS3 can’t do everything the 360 can just as the 360 can’t do everything the PS3 can. They’re actually quite different beasts under the hood and I don’t think some people understand the degree the hardware differs. Horses for courses.
Haha yes I have a Ps3 and everyone I know who owns a 360 has had to replace it at least once. 360 has great exclusives, but better than PS3 probably not they are about the same. Yes, I agree that for some multiplatform games 360 looks better, but nothing I have seen on the 360 matches MGS4 or killzone 2. The major gripe I have with the PS3 is that none of my close friends have one. Xbox online is definitely better with more people playing it. I just looked at the playstation store and it has a section with movies and tv shows just like Netflix, although not as good. PS3 has blu ray and free online. I dunno if i could afford both I would but I can’t risk a xbox breaking after i throw 300 at it and the blu ray is like a 300 dollar value alone. So ya PS3 is a better bargain and i believe will ultimately be the better system regardless of sales. And plus id like to see microsoft out of the biz and put sega back in there haha. Have a real head to head sony vs. nintendo (who by the way is outselling both 360 and PS3 by far
@kaden and silver,
Many thanks for your suggesstions. I dont think power adaptor should be a concern after all, coz 1. there are a lot of cheap convertors available and 2. UK has 240v output, so does India, so I might not need one at all.
I am more concerned about:-
1. the RROD problem, and would get the product which is under warrenty. Is the problem still existing with the newer pieces now that MS “knows” there is a problem with their machines?
2. The difference of DVD region codes. Not sure how many of the good games are multi-region configured.
3. Someone told me of the “motion sensing feature” of the Wii ! Boohoo!!! I am again confused!
1. I have heard a few people with newer consoles online saying they’ve gotten RROD, but I’ve never known one to locally and most I know tend to use them around here. The worst thing that I’ve known to happen is there’s still a few units that aren’t quiet though most new units seem to be. Just make sure to keep your 360 dust free if you get one.
2. Most of my Australian games seem to work on my mate’s US console so I think it’s a minority. I’ve heard it’s often games that are released at very different dates in different regions or that have differences due to rating systems and the like.
3. I wouldn’t buy the wii for the motion sensing, but if that’s what you’re into it’s a good seller. I personally prefer VC and games like Smash Bros where you can use a wired gamecube or a classic controller rather than the motion sensing controls. But lightgun games are sweet and some games such as Mad World are still wicked fun with the Wiimote/Nunchuck controller.
Hi Varun,
1. I only know what I got told by staff at Game (Uk Store) a month or two back. They told me that they still get 360′s back daily with various problems including the RROD & E74 errors, & this includes the Falcon & Jasper chipsets. Obviously this was a statement from just one shop in the North of England, so feel free to take this with a pinch of salt, but they are a busy shop that always has lots of customers, & I don’t see why they would lie to me as they generally support & advertise the 360 more than the PS3 (seen as Sony won’t pay for advertising). On the other hand, lots of 360 owners & Microsoft advise that the newer 360′s are a lot more reliable, & I think they probably are, just not reliable enough for me. If you’re going to get one, make sure it’s got a warranty with it.
2. The different DVD region codes. As far as I’m aware, the main differences are that if you put a PAL disc in an NTSC machine, it probably won’t work, & vice versa. There are 8 individual DVD regions & if you’ve got a disc from that region, you need a machine that matches it. There are “ALL” region DVD’s that will work on any machine, but you just don’t see thses discs around. Not sure about games, but DVD movies sometimes have different content depending on the region (it’s an old example, but Terminator 2:Ultimate Edition wasn’t quite as ultimate in the UK PAL region as it was in the USA NTSC region – it had extra scenes cut from the movie in the UK). I’m not sure how much of this still goes on, & I don’t think games suffer this, so it’s probably just the language options on games that are different.
3. The Wii is fun, for a while. My better half has a Wii & she thinks it’s great, but it wouldn’t be my first choice. The Wii-motes do make controlling the games interesting, & some work really well (Mario Kart, bowling, boxing, tennis, etc), but the game catalogue is mainly casual games & Wii-Fit. You’re not likely to see Grand Theft Auto 4, or Call of Duty on a Wii. Also the graphics & power of the machine are nowhere near that of a PS3 or 360. Graphically, it’s not hi-def, & the games look very similar to Nintendo Gamecube games, but with a new control scheme. It’s a good laugh with mates for an hour or two now & then, but I couldn’t sit down with it on my own, & play a serious game on it. That’s my personal opinion.
Not a virtual console fan, Kaden?
Seriously, the Wii was made for retro gaming. =D
And good point about the movie DVDs. Movie DVDs are all limited to machine region unless region 0 which’ll work in near anything. Game DVDs however are different and most seem to work on any 360, but I’m only talking 360 games here, I’m not sure on the original xbox games which I suspect will only work on consoles of the right region. The plus side to an import 360 is it’ll play DVDs of a region your main DVD player mightn’t (personally I prefer a decent multi-region player, they really aren’t expensive these days).
Hey Silver,
Just regarding your Blu-Ray scratch comment earlier. I’m not saying that they don’t scratch at all, but my personal experience with the PS3 is that I haven’t so far seen a single scratch on any of my games, or the one Blu-Ray move I’ve got (Cloverfield is awesome in Hi-Def). Most of my old PS1 & PS2 games were scratched to buggery, & I was suprised that they read anything at all.
In fact the only disc problem I have had was that my first copy of Grand Theft Auto IV actually cracked the inside of the disc when I took it out or put it back in the case, & I think they need to rethink the bit in the middle of a DVD case that holds the dics in place. Certainly on GTAIV it was way too tight a fit, & made a horrible cracking noise everytime you put the disc back into the case. The replacement I got (luckily under warranty) has been fine, but then I’m a lot more wary using the DVD case than I was before. The rest of my games & cases don’t seem to have this problem. Maybe it was a one off.
CD”s, DVD’s & Blu-Ray are not as indestructible as the manufacturers would like us to believe, but I’ve not had a single scratch issues on Blu-Ray at all so far, but that’s just me.
Different people have different experiences.
But I’ve seen plenty of hairline scratches in blu-ray discs, including a couple on my copy of Valkyria Chronicles which though it still works, led to me buying another copy just in case. I love that game…
I’ve heard that a shallower scratch will do more damage to a higher capacity disc in general and do know I’ve heard of some PS3 games failing after small scratches. But that’s the reason for the blu ray DVD’s scratch resistant coating which sadly merely makes the disc more resilient to scratching rather than making it impervious. Heard wonderful things about TDK’s take on the scratch resistant coat though.
Personally I always preferred cart based mediums. Yeah, they couldn’t store as much information, but look at the loading times. They were generally near non-existant.
Hi Silver,
I just can’t make my mind up about the Wii. The bowling & Mario Kart is fun now & then, & it’s a smart little machine that due to it’s size & look fits in well in the room. I’m just not inspired to play it as a single player unit.
Even my other half doesn’t play serious games on it. She got No More Heroes & Resi 4 when she 1st purchased the Wii, & probably spent 3 or 4 hours on NMH, & Resi 4 has had about 5 minutes use.
I guess I just like my PS3 too much. What can I say, I’m spoilt.
As for the DVD region code thing. That’s why I aksed Varun to check with you or other 360 owners as I can’t guarantee that anything I say about the 360 isn’t complete bullsh… I’m not intentionally trying to be wrong, it’s just a talent of mine.
The Wii’s one of my favourite things these days.
Not for the two or three physical media games I play on it regularly neither.
No, it’s all in the Virtual Console and to a lesser extent (soon to be higher extent) the Wiiware. All the old classics from both the SNES and Megadrive/Genesis as well as half a dozen other consoles. And Wiiware’s got a few good titles with some really noteworthy games popping up such as the official sequel to Final Fantasy IV.
Buy some Nintendo points and browse around the shopping channel and you might be pleasantly surprised. ;)
Haven’t used a cartridge since Mine Madness on the Commodore Vic 20 (am I showing my age?). Never had a Megadrive, or SNES, or Master System, or Gamecube. Straight from Vic 20, to C64, to ST to Amiga, & then onto the PS1, etc. Anyways discs look shinier, if you look at them right, it’s like looking into a rainbow….mellow sigh, & if you really get peeved with a game you can snap the disc in half dramatically. I imagine trying to snap a cartridge in half would make you look like Dominic Diamond trying to rip up a yellow pages (I’m showing my age again).
Depends on the cartridge.
I’ve seen an original gameboy cart crushed one handed which was pretty cool.
Only thing I’ve disliked about carts is that sometimes (and I hear it’s an eventually it will happen rather than an it might happen) the battery backup goes meaning no ability to save. But then again, disc based media requires memory elsewhere for saves as well so it’s kind of a moot disadvantage.
With higher capacity cartridges available these days I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s only manufacturing costs that prevent them from being used in modern consoles. Disc based media gets marked up ridiculously.
You all xbox 360 fans are all POS cos have i explained on page 5 near bottom plus my friend rudemanz that 360 is and are a huge WOM so 360 owners only cos the ps3 is more expensive than 360 you go and buy it but OFC a better console will be more expensive so just FUCKING put you hand in you pocket and pull out a huge wad of cash and buy a fucking great ps3.
add me PSN – KAZACKSTAN
Hey Kazackstan,
Nice little rant there. Nothing like a well thought out & well constructed argument to put your point across.
I hope you don’t mind, but I think I’ll pass on adding you to my PSN list as you disturb me somewhat!
The best article of the issue i have found!
I am looking for next year. :)
Carl, thanks a lot, that was incredibly informative. Confirmed my suspicions, but made me feel confident with a future PS3 purchase. I really wish Sony would beef up their web content and video streaming, but you’re right, I’d be buying it for the Blu-Ray experience anyways. Keep up the great articles!
I want to thank you for your review. I am actually still not sure which to get, but my opinion goes to the PS3, but I don’t have an HDTV yet so the quality will not affect my choice a lot.
Thank you again for this review!
Well to be frank i feel so sorry for you guys, RROD eh Inevitable you say, well here is something you should know, my beloved 360, bought easter weekend 2007, has only just now finally got the dreaded RROD, this despite many ALL NIGHT race sessions and playing gears and gears 2 till the sun comes up.
To much of anyones belief, there is a lot of truth to both sides. Right now I have a 360 it has its good and bad. I also want to get a PS3 for other reasons. But that’s not to say that the 360 is bad, it has some terrific content, but same as the PS3, it has its flaws.
1) Recently I find myself not playing my Xbox anymore because there aren’t any games that get my fancy. Most I have beat or just do not seem interesting to buy. But what I also find is much of the games on the XBOX market is repetitive to past games. (ex. Gears of War 2 game play to Terminator Salvation game play- – - – Grand Theft Auto game play to Saints Row 2 and The God Father 2 game play) There have been many times where I feel I’m just playing the same game I played last year but with a different storyline and characters. Though I will say if i do sell my 360 and get a PS3, I will be sad that I wont be able to play future games such as Mass Effect 2 and Halo: Recon and older titles like Halo 3, Halo 2, Fallout 3, Fable 1, 2, Gears of War 1,2 and many others.
2) Personally I think my Xbox is slowly failing. The graphics on my console seem to decrease, rendering has become much slower, to the point where it takes about 10-15 seconds for texture to come in. (halo3 and mass effect have been the biggest problem) Loading menus are slow to pop up on the home page and there has been an increase of game freezing with my xbox where I must restart the console to just to get it back moving again. But even then that would mean re-doing everything i had just completed in the game. Thankfully the RROD has not happened, but even now there are times when it acts slow or does something weird and I always look at the power button to see if it will happen. And even if it doesn’t I don’t believe i should worry about things like that with my console. I should never have to fear it shutting down. I remember when stories about the RROD first came out. It became a nation wide epidemic, people feared it and we shouldn’t have to worry about that. But I will disagree with Car Nelsons article, it doesn’t sound like a jet engine taking off, it sounds more like a Rocket going off. ;)
3) One big thing that I always love in gaming is online game play. Its addicting that’s why i got the xbox1 and continued with the 360. But the one thing I don’t like is having to pay $50 every year for Xbox Live, even now when I don’t play online as much because of school or work. Money down the drain. Sure every once in awhile I’ll get the urge to play online, but 30 minuets pass and I’m already bored. Connectivity has been a problem with me, I have fast internet, my computer can prove it. But the 360 has many times disconnected right in the middle of a match and I would have to restart my adapter to be able to connect. And the PS3′s integrated WiFi and free online looks really good.
I am not saying that the 360 has failed for me in anyway I have always been a die hard fan for it. But now I want a change in scenery and game play. Personally I would get the PS3 for such upcoming games like Final Fantasy 13 (the one not coming out for the 360), Metal Gear Solid, MAG, and Killzone 2. But even during the golden years of XBOX I had always wanted to play Japanese imported games but was restricted since I did not have a PS2 or 3. If PS3 fails for me then I will get the 360 again or the next Xbox console after the 360.
(This is my opinion of both the PS3 and 360. You are free to disagree with me. Comment if you want or correct me on any false info. But if profanity or use of strong words are used against me then just know that nothing you say will mean anything to me – its my opinion)
Lolz i don’t know why everyone is flipping about the RROD thing going on because it is completely irrelevant. It’s easy to prevent RROD. Just don’t play for like 7 hours straight. And for those hardcore online gamers out there;
a) Should take regular breaks for the health of you and your xbox
b) Just buy an xbox cooling fan for like 15-40 bucks on like walmart.com or amazon or something.
Oh, and if you follow these directions, you shouldn’t get RROD, but if you do, then hopefully you still have a warranty on it. If you don’t, you can always use the towel trick :P
Seriously tho, xbox whoops ps3 in more ways than one. i mean, fuckin seriously they are game consoles not mutha fuckin dvd/blu ray players so idk why the hell that even comes into consideration when you are buying stuff like this. You should have one of those before you even think about getting a game console. Anyways, i guess if you are just starting college or some shit like that and got some big ass flat screen and give a lot of shit about memory, storage capacity, media functions, and graphics/picture quality on movies, then go for a ps3, but if you want a game console then get a frikin xbox.
Personally, i like the xbox 360 because of online play, and i am sure as hell not a fanboy because i have played both online and offline and ps3 does just as good of a job as the xbox on online play. Although one time i did experience a freeze and had to restart the ps3 because of some similair IP adress shit and entering the plane at the same time on Warhawks. Idk i think it was a one-time thing but i still prefer the xbox. but for the quality of P.S.N. for free of charge, it is an excellent online play quality.
So just take what i said into consideration when buying your new game console. And if you aleready have one idk why you are reading a review…….
I am debating on whether to purchase a 360 or a ps3. I really enjoy playing COD online, it is most likely what I will be doing the most. I have read that the 360 is the best for online, what are people’s experiences with playstation online?
I guess the main thing holding me back from the 360 is the chance of failure.
The PS3 online is fine. It’s a perfectly good service. I play Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, & Killzone 2 online with no problems at all.
I get the impression that xbox live is better if you are more of a social animal. If you just want to play the game online, chat within the game to any friends you know with a microphone then it’s fine. If you want to chat with your friends regardless of what game they are playing, & you want to be more sociable online then the 360 probably is more what you’re after.
I think it depends on your country, but I also notice the available content (arcade games, themes/wallpaper etc) seems to have a wider selection on the 360. There’s also that most countries don’t have a way of buying PSN credit without a credit or direct debit card. Australia for example. In fact I believe Japan and possibly the US are the only countries that do allow codes to be redeemed for credit.
I’ve always preferred to pay in cash, so lack of another option such as Microsoft’s MS points and Nintendo’s Nintendo points irks me somewhat.
im fed up with my 360 had one since day one the it broke it went off to microsoft then it broke again cudnt be arsed with it so sold it on ebay for £59 then bought a elite which was a waste of fucking money now going to buy a ps3 insted of that shitty fckin 360!
Hi there, in my opinion I think that I can find more use to the ps3 than the 360. Well when Im bored and I want to watch my video files from my computer I just need to activate the media server and it is ready for watch videos. Also I think that ps3 games have more quality than the 360 games but well thats my opinion.
Petition to keep Facebook and Twitter off the couch.
“SERIOUS GAMIN GOING ON HERE GUYS!”
“Seriously tho, xbox whoops ps3 in more ways than one. i mean, fuckin seriously they are game consoles not mutha fuckin dvd/blu ray players so idk why the hell that even comes into consideration when you are buying stuff like this.”
I just want to make sure this comment doesn’t go unnoticed. How ridiculous.
the new 60GB XBOX360 has solved a lot of problems, no more overheating, MUCH quieter and no more RROD
it just seems that you get more from the xbox for you money. sure you don’t get blu-ray, and it costs to get XBOX live but it is less expensive and all-in-all better
It’s the same system with more hard drive……….. So idk what ur talking about” its MUCH quieter”. My friend has. 60gb system and it’s the same but larger hard drive.
Rhetorik,
The PS3 is a serious gaming machine, having the Blu-Ray is just a bonus & extra storage for games – it doesn’t detract from the games. Also, what’s wrong with it having a DVD/Blu-Ray Player – it saves me having yet another piece of equipment cluttering up my living room. I’m not saying it came into consideration when buying a games console, but it’s just one of those nice extras that’s there on the odd occassion I might want it.
Jared,
You don’t get more for your money, because you get less. But as you pay less in the first place, this makes perfect sense. I’m not saying you get less of a games console, but the PS3 does have extras built in, which is why the price is higher, & better is subjective. You buy what suits you or your wallet.
Kaden101,
May I direct you to this comment: http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-360-two-years-later/comment-page-6/#comment-6486 This is what is ridiculous.
I know that the ps3 is a serious gaming machine which is why I have one. I am 100% ok with all the crap they are putting on the 360, because I don’t want any of that. I want to watch blu-rays, and play high def, quality games, which is exactly what you get with the ps3.
Also, Sonys press conference at e3 was pretty damn sweet. UNCHARTED 2!!! (the beta multiplayer demo is awesome, I’ve been playing it)
I’m gonna talk about the price of the PS3 and if it’s a really good deal or it’s really do expensive. If you look at the 80gb ps3, and $400. look at what it is capable of doing. Compare this to the 360 pro. The pros about $100 cheaper. But one biggest thing is the Blu-ray player that is built in. If u buy a Blu-ray player by it self, it’ll cost about
$299-399 and more. Unless u buy a piece of shit one, then sure it’ll probably be $99-199. Blu-ray is going to overtake DVD’s in like along time, but it won’t be awhile.
The other thing is that, it’s got a built in Wi-Fi so if u don’t have ur router close u can still connect to ur Wi-Fi.( 360 wi-fi needs to buy separately and costs $100) that is if ur router is not close enough or don’t have a game room( most of u do I’m guessing) for me it’s useful though.
The ps3 does look a bit fat eh? If don’t consider the power supply is built in and creates less mess( of course if u don’t care). Oh another thing is that u can barely even hear the fan in the ps3, the 360……..woo quite loud eh?. LOL, when PC builders built thief PCs they always check it nice a quiet. Some ppl have their 360 right next to their nice quiet computer. Seems to me that they’re quite retarted.
I gotta say the xboxlive is amazing compare to the PSN. So I agree u should pay $50 for it’s awesomeness. One time I heard this 360 fan say” U get what u paid for” and he was applying this to xboxlive. He’s right bout that. But, why can’t u apply that statement for the PS3? Everyone knows it’s a better console but still say it’s WAY expensive.
It’s totaly true the games for 360 is better but ps3 is comming out with many other games as well. At E3, Sony announced….I think it was like 350 games this years? Idk but something like that.
Oh one other thing, I watched. Video from this 360 fan loser saying that the PS3 hard is perminate; that 360′s u can replace with a new 60gb and 120 hard drive. I gotta say this fan loser sure can be retarted. He got one thing right, that the HHD for 360 can be replaced with ONLY a new 60 and 120gb. The PS3 can be placed with any 2.5″, SATA and is 5400 RPM or higher to 7200 if ur funking retarded. Microsoft wants u 360 fans think that the 360 is truly cheaper, but u don’t know that the accessories cost the most of the 360 system. I mean y did they make a special HHD and are only the kind u can replace ur old, they want to rip u off and make u think it’s cheap. here’s a fact: microsoft came out with the 360 elite so that it can still compete with the PS3. Just like this article or the other article said. Why pay an extra $100 for a identicle system with 60gb more?( oh here’s a retarted part: it’s black so it looks different). These ppl are retarded same goes for who ever wrote this article. The PS3 is 80gb more and costs $100. I think that’s a better deal( for the 160gb).
Oh I forgot to mention that the hard drive breaks down after awhile. And even though the 360 is fucking loud…. The cooling still sucks compare to the PS3.
No shit the peripherals make the 360 more expensive. I have pretty much every console available (including the totally awesome GP2X Wiz which unlike the PSP, actually supports open source software as well as emulators for old greats such as the older Sega and Nintendo Consoles), and I still prefer the 360 experience to the PS3 experience even if it does end up costing me more money.
Some of us don’t need to give a damn about price, so buying the best system available isn’t a matter of having to make do with a low or mid range model of any console. Damn I LOVE my job.
As a gaming system, the free anti-aliasing and similar smaller touches make the 360 my console of choice, even for single-player games. I also love the much larger games library. And the better online experience. If you feel Uncharted 2 is a selling point for a console I wonder about you. The first struck me as a tomb raider where you had to stare at a dude’s ass rather than Lara Croft’s and I certainly prefer Ms. Crofts. Granted Tomb Raider is on both newer consoles BUT it was the Uncharted franchise you chose to mention.
Here, I’ll give this to the 360. The controler has a better grip and feels better in the hands, overall a comfortable controler. The ps3 controls are a little small and not so fitting compare it to the 360, but is more advanced and better tech(dualshock3).
xbox 360 is better because of online and choice of games like halo 3, gears and that new game out yesterday ‘prototype’. The home page of ps3 looks cheap compared to the 360s. Theres also achievments on xbox 360 and reputation. Iv had the 360 for about 11 months now and my mate has the Ps3. Any one seen the new fishing pole comin out for the 360, Pc and wii?
You’ll probably say the same thing about Infamous, and express your dislike towards Little Big Planet. Next you’ll say that Forza 3 will be better than Gran Turismo 5. I like how at Microsofts E3, they said that Forza 3 will be the best looking and most advanced racing game. What a laugh. As far as gaming is concerned, PS3s future looks better to me than the 360s.
Lucky for you, your a high up business executive, but just looking back at some of the comments for people wondering which system to buy, price does have a lot to do with it. If you want an inferior made machine, with less built-in features for cheaper money, go for it, buy a 360.
I saw both Microsofts & Sonys press conferences & was impressed with both of them.
When I first saw the trailer for Forza 3 I was extremely impressed, but the cars on GT5P still look better (the scenery on Forza was way better than GT5P though), & I thought that GT5 has some serious competition. I then saw the GT5 trailer, & it blew me away – they’ve got the scenery sorted, & I always love the driving on GT games. I still think Forza 3 is a damn fine looking game and a contender, but I’ve a funny felling I’m not going to be dissapointed with GT5 when in comes out in 2057 (okay, slight exaggeration, but I’m get impatient now, one of the Polyphony bods recently commented that they could release it now, but they just keep tweaking it & making it better, I understand but hurry up will ya).
I think the actual phrase that Microsoft used was the “definitive racing game of this generation” over & over & over – it got tiresome & I just wanted him to shove a sock in it so I could watch the pretty cars & the pretty forests. He doesn’t know it’s going to be the “definitive” racing game until both Forza 3 & GT5 come out any more than I do, & even then something else could turn up.
Silver, do you just play Tomb Raider to look at Lara’s arse? I thought Uncharted 1 was a very good game, but I couldn’t find any replay value in it (I did actually prefer Tomb Raider:Underworld, but that’s not the common view). I am, however, really looking forward to Uncharted 2, & I have no designs on Drakes arse at all, not my type, far too blokey.
It’s wierd to see somebody say that the 360 experience costs more whilst the rest of the internet is moaning at Sony to bring the price down – just an observation.
its true what your saying about the xbox 360 and the ps3 and like u i am just more of a ps3 lover and gamer
My brother owns a 360 and I own a PS3 so i have plenty of experience with both systems and i found that the games that are newer and just coming out looks better on blue ray if you have at least a 720 p LCD rather than the HD xbox. Both systems are chill but Xbox is more reliable online. Every now and then i will lose connection on madden and ive never lost connection on COD world at war on my bro’s xbox. BUT! The newer games that are comming out that look sick look niiiiiiice on PS3. KILL ZONE is gonna dominate on FPS games, so look out for that and of course COD 5 modern warfare
to be huge. My ps3 however has never scratched a game of mine and all my games work fine. I moved my friends 360 for him cuz it was in front of his tv and his game got a freaking CANYON of a scratch in it you cant move those things at all when a game is in it. Also bluerays are the future of movies and HD discs are just obsolete now so 360 i think is at a very good point but reached its potential and PS3 is at the same overall quality give or take but is still on the rise.
I have a xbox 360 and I had to get it repaired 2 time within 5 months, I haven’t had it for a year yet. I have the elite and it stops reading disc eventully. And my cousin has one also and it stopped reading disc. Everyone I know that has a regular xbox, it got the rings of death. So I think you guys should mention this in your little fuckin article. My uncle has a ps3 and he has never had a problem with his. So FUCK XBOX, they fuckin people that work with them wont take my xbox back for repair, AND IM NOT PAYIN $100 JUST TO GET IT FIXED SO IT CAN BREAK AGAIN. I dont care if xbox has more games, all i know is that ps3 has the games i like. It aint like i play every game i see. I could give a shit less about online shit. So me and my family aint ever using xbox again.
FUCK XBOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“So I think you guys should mention this in your little fuckin article.” Shawna
June 7, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Actually, they did comment on the subject of the red ring of death on the xbox….
“RROD. The issue has seemingly been taken care of, as reports of recent XBOX 360 models have been few and far between. However, if you are using a launch unit, the longer you play it, the closer you are to disaster. I am knocking on wood at this point, but it just seems that having your XBOX 360 die on you is not a threat, but an inevitability.”
Try swearing less and make a constructive and articulate argument for you viewpoint. Most people pretty much disregard this type of opinion as obvious bias rather than a true experience for people to learn from.
Rhetorik, while Infamous could go either way for me, LittleBigPlanet is a personal favourite of mine, mostly due to a love of 2-D platformers that it appeals to for me. The same way games like New Super Mario Bros. and Braid appeal to me.
As far as racing games go, I do play them occasionally but actually favour games that allow powerups effecting other races in the same vein as games such as Mario Kart and Twisted Metal. While I’m sure both games you mentioned will be absolutely great, I’m not into them enough to analyse and compare them all that well. I’d likely favour whichever dumbens the process of tuning a vehicle as I much prefer to actually race in something that feels fast.
And I work security in a state of Australia that currently has a severe guard shortage. Negotiatable wages ftw!
Kaden, looking at Lara’s arse is indeed a good incentive to play a game, especially when the graphics are as good as they are now. That said I actually preferred the graphics on Tomb Raider Underworld a good deal more than I did Uncharted. I too preferred Tomb Raider Underworld in general.
As far as the 360′s costs go it can be cheaper to run a 360 than a PS3, but you have to go without a few things to do so and when you have the money… why not get the best? And to me the experience is a big part of my gaming needs. If I wanted the highest resolution, best fillrate and all the other ‘important’ stuff I’d game on a PC exclusively. But that’s just not as good an experience to me so I only play games I can’t get on consoles on the PC.
Silver,
Infamous is worth a look if you like the idea of Grand Theft Auto sandbox meets Assassins Creed & a little bit of Sipdey: Web of Shadows thrown in – I’m finding it very entertaining. I also agree about LBP as it’s a brilliant game, which is strange for me as apart from Mario Kart I generally can’t stand Mario, & I’m not a fan of Sonic or any 2d platformers as a rule.
I understand your take on the racing genre about having to wade through menus of tweaking before you get to race, but I never found GT4 to be that bad compared to some games – you could spend hours tweaking or you could just buy a better turbo & some good tyres, stick them on & go, I kind of hope that GT5 offers a similar experience. The only thing that I do find annoying is the menu reaction/load times. GT4 was always a little sluggish. UFC 2009 is a prime example of good game bad menu system – it’s so tedious it does my chuffing box in. To simply put a new sponsor logo on your shorts which you need to do to increase your cred involves going through about 10 menus/submenus, each one having to wait a second or 2 to load, & getting back out is just as bad.
Lucky you – I work in an office in the UK, not only don’t I get to haggle over my pay (which isn’t bad to be fair – I also get to enjoy the British weather, which is glorious when you’re at work & persisting it down on the weekend).
As for Lara’s arse, I was trying to rise above it but okay. As for Unhcarted, the graphics are better than TR, but I much prefer the look & style of TR, & it has more replay value for me (especially now the slack gits finally put Trophy support in halfway through me replaying it. I’ll start it again when I’ve finished Infamous).
I did really enjoy gaming on the PC until I got the PS3 – I know a console isn’t as powerful but I much prefer spagging in my armchair & it feels more sociable (my better half likes to join in with the like of GTAIV, & enjoys watching games like UFC, & Infamous – she’s not so keen on Final Fantasy to put it mildly, but that’s hardly a spectator sport, & I understand completely). I think the only games I’m interested on PC when they turn up is Fable II & Alan Wake.
ps3 is better there you have it its over :)
LOL this won’t be over till the next gen comes out
I’ve had my PS3 for about,….close to 2 yrs. It’s still working awesomely. I placed my old HDD(20gb) with a HITACHI 160gb from NewEgg and it works just very nicely, everything is the same but much more space to store games and movies.
Sonys press conference at E3′ 09 really impressed me. I mean, all those games coming out(250-350) and some exclusives. Exclusives aren’t very impressive, but at least Sony is bringing some exclusives back for the fight. The PSP Go looked very nice, especially with the new design that I think would be more fitting and easy to use. I sure the features are better on it, but….$249.99 is a bit too much. I know the Tech. Is good, just that they didn’t learn anything from the mistakes on the PS3. The PS3 tech. Is the best of all the consoles, it’s the most powerful and it took a lot of $$$ to make it al well. So they had to sell it for a lot of money to make a profit. Gamers know it’s the most powerful and most advanced console, but the price comparing to the 360 was too much. Everyone heard good reviews of the xbox live/games and went and got a 360. What I’m saying is that Sony is at the edge of tech. And needs to think of ways to make ppl think a console that is shitty is awesome and a good buy.
That’s what nintendo did. They made a cheap console but made a huge profit out of it. They lured ppl in by this ” motion sensor tech.” which sucks.
The new PS3 motion controler looks awesome and much
More accurate then the wii remote. Can’t wait till it comes out. I gotta say that the 360 full body motion sensor looks awesome and I would totally get it, but that looks a bit too amazing
For the 360. I mean Sony is truly the future of tech and they don’t even have that, so I’m kinda dissapointed. Yeah, just have to wait and see. Oh the wii motion plus looks kinda cool and is coming out soon(June 9, tommorrow) since I have a wii, I might just get it
Hey Carl, thank you for this amazing article, it really confirmed many of my theories. I am personally and Xbox 360 fan and to be honest I was happy to read many of the good this about it.
I’d like to start by saying that, since the demise of the Dreamcast, I pretty-much swore off consoles. I stuck to PC gaming. Then, I started down the path to media servers, a networked home, DVRs, Media Center, extenders and all that stuff… It was for this reason alone that I went with the 360. I got it for a birthday present and only wanted 2 games for it… Resident Evil 5 and Fable II. I’m not much of an online console gamer… and for online gaming, I’m a FPS fan, which is more conducive to a kb/mouse control on a PC. So, the online components of the 360 wasn’t a drawing factor. I must say, the extender functionality of the 360 has impressed me. I have linksys extenders, but they aren’t updated to handle a lot of media types. The 360 has the horsepower to deliver a smooth experience. I understand that they’re currently too loud in certain situations to be used as set-top boxes but there are manufacturers making custom enclosures for the 360 internals that address this issue. (A-Tech Fabrication’s “HeatSync Three-sixty” looks like a winner) From a games standpoint, I have been impressed as well. Had it not been for the fact that I already owned 2 blu-ray players and needed extender functionality, I may have gone with the PS3.
I have both systems a ps3 and a xbox 360 Of course it is like my 4th or 5th xbox even went out and got another 1 so i could buy another new warranty. All things aside i would not be without my 360 i would pay for the fix but if my ps3 broke i would not bother replacing it. I think for me that shows what i prefer as i would spend the money again.
My other half would keep the ps3 and throw the xbox so both systems are great just depends on the games you want. singstar and buzz for her and project gotham racing forza etc must have the xbox as generally the ps3;s driving games are not up to much i am sorry to say.
Carl,
I just wanted to say thanks for your ’1-yr later’ and ’2-yr later’ articles. I know very little about game systems and am trying to decide which one to purchase (and with the price involved I don’t want to make a mistake and suffer from buyer’s remorse). I don’t know if your articles solved my quandary, but they certainly gave me a lot of data to make an informed decision. Thank you, Carl, for taking the time to write these–they were very helpful!
Dave,
Whilst I respect that you prefer your 360 as a games console, & it’s an opinion you’re perfectly entitled to, I cannot get my head around anybody who is happy to have a product fail 4 or 5 times, & then go out & spend money on the same defective product. Maybe we just live in an age where the quality of a purchase is no longer relevant, & the customer no longer has any expectations. I guess if I lowered my standards (& IQ) to comply with current consumer acceptance then maybe I’d understand, but I can’t bring myself to do that.
I just hope that Microsoft isn’t setting a precedent for other companies to follow.
Disclaimer: this rant is in no way casting aspersions about the user experience on a fully functioning 360. The malice is purely aimed at the stupidy of customers blindly defending a company who knowingly released a defective product just to beat the competition out of the gates – I know it worked, but that doesn’t make it right.
Meh, basic Design and Technology class here dude.
Pretty much everything is made so it will eventually fail which actually helps the economy. If you buy a product from before the time built-in obsolescence became all the rage, it might last throughout your lifetime whereas many modern day items tend to die within a few years. Electronics in general don’t tend to be built to last these days. But things needing to be replaced means more jobs and more incentive for people to innovate existing items so people may be persuaded to jump onto the next similar yet slightly more futuristic thing.
Only downside is the cost. Believe me that while a lot of 360s are failing prematurely, there will be a time when PS3s start dropping like flies. The insides of a device that advanced just won’t withstand the test of time.
I have had experience with both consols (PS3, 360) and though I’m usually not very picky when it comes to consols (most of my games are on the PC) I can fully agree with the statements of “If you enjoy online gaming, get a 360″ – the functionality and user interface commands are simply more convienient than the PS3 – for right now anyway. HOWEVER, just in my experience, the kinds of people I’ve played with on the 360 (usually Halo 3, Call of Duty and GTA IV) have been total assholes, whiney children/teenage boys (or the unfathomable combo of BOTH) and have more frequent appearances in sessions than my time on the PS3. I’m aware that this is because of more Xbox Live accounts/users than PS3 online users, and that there are (and will be) unpleasant people to play with everywhere. But the rather frequent encounters I’ve had has mildly turned me off of the xbox live online community.
If you’re looking for a performance consol for your kids to play and enjoy, and are worried about their online experiences, as a lot of parents are these days, I’d reccomend the PS3. Little Big Planet is amazing to play online and offline, and from my perspective, it performs pretty much the same as the Xbox when playing online – just the interface is a little different and online service is free.
I have not had many problems with my xbox in terms of defects. There’s the odd freeze or ‘hiccup’ but it doesn’t happen very often and it’s usually minor and fixes itself after a few seconds.
“Little Big Planet is amazing to play online and offline, and from my perspective, it performs pretty much the same as the Xbox”
Sorry, I meant to say “From my perspective, the Playstation performs pretty much the same as Xbox online…etc.” not LBP ^__^;
Silver,
I admire you trying to put a positive spin on it, but there aren’t many products out there that get that amount of publicity about failure rates. I know that pretty much all products fail at some point, & not every 360 owner has this bad experience, but when you hear repeated statements about being on their 4th or 6th console in 3 years, that’s unacceptable to me.
I’m not stating that people shouldn’t keep getting 360′s as they are usually warranty replacements. I’m not even suggesting that they shouldn’t purchase a replacement if it’s out of warranty as it may still work out cheaper than replacing a large game collection on a different console. My problem is people defending Microsoft & their working practices regardless of how many problems they’ve had.Trying to justify their console choice & even using the warranty scheme as an encouragment in choosing the 360.
As for your comment “there will be a time when PS3s start dropping like flies”. That’s complete speculation, & I actually expected better from you. I’m not saying the failure rate won’t increase as units get older, but the point is the units are actually getting a chance to get older, & even older units may not fail to the quantity that the 360 has.
No, all of them will die eventually unless steps are taken to preserve the hardware.
The more tiny electrical components the higher the chance something will fail and all modern consoles have a shitload of complex circuitry.
It might take a decade or so (personally I’m thinking less as consoles are almost like PCs and most PCs used for entertainment purposes tend to fail after a few years), but they will fail. As an electronics enthusiast I’m almost sure of it.
Personally I think the PS3 is better. I have had it for nearly two years, but the disk drive recently stopped working. :( So I have to send it in and get it repaired which sucks because the 1 year warranty is over. It’s an old 80gb to so I hope it can still play PS2 games after I send it in to get repaired; if anyone can comment on that, please do. Anyways, I still will stick with my PS3. I wish I could watch my netflix.com movies on it though. LOL
-Brandon
This is a great article.
I’m from Brazil and I’ve been trying to decide which of the two platforms I should buy. Here the prices for both are very high, specially the PS3.
I always loved online gaming during my PC gamer era (Counter-Strike and Battlefield). But I wouldn’t like to pay monthly for XBOX Live, since I’m not even sure we have it here.
I had the PSX and still own a PS2, which, despite old games and graphics, it’s still a lot of fun to mess around with.
In the end, it’s the game prices that truly breaks my legs, (AGAIN) specially for the PS3.
NEVER THE LESS, I decided to go for the PLAYSTATION 3. I’m used to the control, I can play GTA 4, Metal Gear 4 and Killzone 2 which seems, to say the least, an “orgasmic” experience to play. hehe
Thanks again for this amazing article, it helped me decide.
All the best.
Silver,
3-12 months for 360 vs “decade or so” for PS3. Yep, that’s exactly the same product lifespan. I really don’t know what I was complaining about!
So by your figures, a single PS3 might last up to a decade or so, but it’s okay to have to buy a new 360 just over every 3 years when the warranty runs out & it goes kerplooey.
Maybe my maths are a little rusty, but until very recently I still had my original shape PS2 (gave it away still working) so it isn’t like I’m not interested in keeping my PS3 for the long term.
Turns out it is actually cheaper to own a PS3, who knew?
My guess was actually less than a decade, though some will likely still be around after that mark. I wouldn’t be surprised if some start failing at around the 3-5 year mark from wearing out. And I don’t mean faulty units, no those are dying relatively quickly…
I’m honestly a little skeptical that it would take 3 years for any 360 user to go through so as many faulty units as would take 3 years, even if the rate was as high as some make it out to be.
As far as the PS2 is concerned, whilst there were a few faulty units, the older models were generally hardier than newer consoles and contained less sophisticated circuitry than the PS3 and 360 (and I’m pretty sure the Wii as well considering the gamecube was technologically superior to the PS2 spec-wise). I’d imagine they would in general outlive the PS3 in terms of years working.
And I certainly knew the PS3 was cheaper even without having to replace a 360 console due to other expenses such as peripherals and xbox live. But hell, a 360 unit isn’t much more than a new slimline PS2 pricewise these days and as everything else is that damn well built replacing the unit is no real biggie. Not that I’ve had to, though I do admit to having another unit or two stored away just in case, but then the same can be said for Nintendo DSes, PSPs and some of the older consoles that I’m dreading possibly losing.
Then again peripherals are another part of the experience where PS3 is trailing behind a bit for me. Take the console’s respective controller keyboard things. The 360′s is nice, firm and well integrated while the PS3′s is looser, makes the buttons it covers feel shitty and just generally cheaper. It was worse before the PS3 controllers were dualshock as combined with the lightness of that controller it REALLY felt cheap.
Silver,
I am aware that not all 360 owners will experience the level of failure that I mentioned, but you do hear quite a few stories from different people so it does happen.
As for the PS3 keyboard clip-on thing, I think I would agree with you. I haven’t tried it, but the position above the controller just seems wrong somehow. I personally use the Logitech Mediaboard, it’s only £10 more than the clip on thingy, It’s bluetooth so no farting about with USB plug in’s. it’s a full size slimline keyboard but without the numeric keypad, & It’s got a laptop style mouse/scroll pad on it, oh, & the four playstation face buttons marked on it (no start or select, but then again how far away is your joypad ever going to be). I find this works an absolute treat.
Sounds like something I might be interested in.
Don’t suppose I could trouble you for a link so I know what I’m asking for next time I go shopping?
i bought a ps3 only becouse i heard final fantasy 14 is going to be a ps3 only title. Givin the ps3 is still around. But i also got a xbox 360 a month or so later from my uncle going to iraq. The 360 was a elite and the ps3 was a 80g. i love my ps3 way more than my xbox. I like it for many reasons other than final fantasy. It is way easier to recharge my controllers if it matters to you. There is built in wifi. The wifi mattered to me alot because my modem is really far from my router/modem. The speed is pretty good. I like the psp to ps3 abilty. But that may be beaten when the zune hd comes out. The ps2 still has a reltivly good asorment of games out. The xbox died pretty fast. I want my consele to last a little longer after market. i also like blue tooth it makes communcating to my friends online super easier. The one thing i like on my 360 is xbox live.
Silver,
Try this
http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=28516&tid=gsearch
or this (CCL links are bit iffy sometimes)
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_3/all/devices/3616&cl=gb,en?WT.mc_id=ps_google-adwords_trademarks_emea&strf=Paid_Search&WT.srch=1&gclid=CMS33feFhJsCFaAU4wodp1iJpg
Make sure it’s the Mediaboard Pro, the black one. The first mediaboard that Logitech released was silver & didn’t have the playstation face buttons on it.
Only one negative about it. It’s Piano black so it looks lovely when you open the box, but it loves fingerprints.
So it’s like a small full keyboard? I like the clip on kind as normal keyboards tend to get lost under a sea of electronics as far as my gaming area is concerned. ^^;
Still they do make typing easier as I’ve found on both consoles.
I agree that one should choose their system based on what makes him or her happy. I bought a PS3 for the simple fact that I have loved Sony since my first PS1. I couldn’t wait til it came down in price to a level that was comfortable to me and when it did I bought it right away. If Microsoft and Xbox is what makes you happy, so be it, buy one and be happy. The greatest thing I could wish for is that both systems found a way to play the multiplayer games online against each other. Maybe if that could happen we would all be one big happyy family and not get so carried away with the fanboy crap. I will finish up by saying that I am 100% satisfied with my PS3 and hope that those who bought a 360 are equally satisfied with their systems. Happy gaming to all of us no matter which side of the fence we standf!
I’m going to play FIFA 09 and other soccer games only.
Can you pls advise if PS3 or XBox360 better for FIFA 09 and other soccer games?
I asked my mate as I don’t play soccer games too much and he told me he finds the PS3′s button layout a lot better for soccer games. He’s been playing the FIFA series since it came out, so he’s likely got some decent knowledge of it.
Your RROD comment is spot on, though we’ll have to see if it’s really been addressed – I’m on console #2 (almost, it hasn’t arrived yet). I was really considering a PS3 out of frustration and lack of confidence in the 360, but at the end of the day I have become slightly addicted to online gaming, and after this year’s E3 announcements with facebook, twitter, last.fm, project Natal (big wow) etc, I think I’ll take my chances with whatever they send me to replace my 360. Combine this with programs like TVersity to stream media, and the Xbox does more than I hoped it would do when I bought it… be it somewhat less reliably.
You’re a very good critic. It’s the first time Ive seen a critic who dosen’t side with any of the two consoles. I liked it when you mentioned the 360 has reached it’s full potential and the PS3 is improving which is true. I hope all the fanboys see this. Good job!
for me 360 should have been the best if not for that stupid rrod. that’s the main problem for the 360. up to now i haven’t heard a rational explanation for this liability that has been a big thorn for microsoft. due to this stupidity microsoft has already lost billions that should not had happened in the first place if not for their negligence. i own an xbox. it died after 5 months as soon as i bought it.luckily i know someone who can permanently fix it, he made a fortune out of microsoft’s error, and up to now my xbox is still alive even if i use it 10-12 hours daily.it has been a year already and im still pissed off with microsoft. as a sign of disgust, i modified my console.
If by “modifed”, you mean so it plays copied games, you ain’t going to “get even” with Microsoft by doing that, you’re just going to rip off the game developers/publishers, & sorry to say that getting a friend to fix it is actually letting Microsoft completely off the hook, & by not sending it in for repair, you’ve probably invalidated the warranty. I don’t think MS are going to sweat it.
If by “modified” you mean something different you need to elaborate as that could mean anything (wheels, jet engines, pulley system for delivering sandwiches, hair dryer conversion?!), please tell!
Maybe he got a custom faceplate saying something derogatory about Microsoft.
I have an anti-windows custom boot screen on an XP desktop which I find delightfully ironic… Is ironic the right word?
i can just about put up with the jet engine noise of the 360, and the fact that the online community IMO is so much better makes it the console for me. The only thing i prefer about the ps3 is how it is free to use the online services, £35 for one year seems a bit steep to me, especially if you get RROD and wait half that time to get it back :(
I’ve seen those alternative XP boot screens (the one with the big pirate skull on it is quite good).
If you haven’t got your 360 for 6 out of 12 months I’d demand your money back, & buy something different. I thought they turned them around quite quickly these days – isn’t like they don’t know what’s wrong with them by now.
Maybe that’s why I prefer the PS3, I don’t care about the online community that much. Even when I go online to play KZ2 or Motorstorm:PR I don’t really want to associate with them, I just enjoy the challenge that real people present (my friends list is quite small – on purpose), & I much prefer a solid single player experience – roll on Final Fantasy anything.
I should celebrate, I got my first Platinum trophy this morning for acing Infamous. It could at least give you a little fanfare for getting a platinum instead of the normal “bing”, is a few trumpets too much to ask? To be fair, I think Infamous is a trophy whores dream game as it’s not that difficult to get them all (unlike Mirrors Edge which is a “just one more try, oh bugger I fell of again” nightmare).
After reading all three past articles i’m pretty convinced on both systems being brilliant at what they’re built for. I have wanted a ps3 for a while but I didn’t know if it would be worth it to get the only console in this generation that I didn’t have. I prefer playing alone to let some steam off in some world that will have no affect on me, so ps3 is pretty nice in that respect. plus i’m more multimedia than just gaming so it would do what i want. Don’t get me started on reliability. being able to know that the system will probably live to see the next generation is a beautiful concept. so i think that i might just pick it up.
Well my 360 just died.
Know what it took to kill it?
Not time, nor hardware failure under normal conditions…
No, it took a mate stumbling and dropping a 52″ TV on top of it destroying both the TV and 360. Thankfully the store I went to allowed me to grab a new TV as I’d only just bought it and what was really cool of them was I told them what actually happened and they said it was no biggie. Unfortunately the 360 warranty doesn’t cover act of klutz.
Now I need to decide whether I want the replacement red, black or white…
Decisions… lol
i am about to buy a new game console , i want 2 buy an xbox 360 because of it’s excellent features but i have also heard that of late there are still cases of that red ring of death thing. i mean if any 1 that bought a console in like 3months ago still has that problem please free free to tell me so i don’t make that mistake and so that i can use the money instead to buy a psp 2000 and keep the spare change :)(
Why is everyone still complaining about RROD? Ive had my XBOX for what must be close to a year now, and havent had a single problem with it.
It definitely is a bit noisier than my buddies PS3, but installing games to the 360 HDD fixes that. I havent seen a single game on PS3 where the graphics “beat the tar” out of 360 graphics, they look pretty equal to me from that point of view.
Ive been following the “console war” since it started in 2005, and honestly, the big deal is, if you wanna play 360 exclusives like HALO and Gears Of War, you buy a 360.
If you wanna play PS3 exclusives like Metal Gear Solid and Killzone, you buy a PS3.
Simple as that.
People are still complaining about the RROD because it still happens a lot more than it should (but less than it did).
I do agree with your statement about buying a console for the exclusives though, after all, why on earth would you buy a console that has games you don’t want to play.
hmmmmmm
PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 360 and i would love to say its better, but its not.
I bought an elite 360 and never got the red rings(i have had it for 2 years)
so Mr.Fuckthisfuckthat fuck off.
i love the netflix but i am a hardcore movie lover!
also i have a 64inch moniter in my room and i say past 46inch graphics are worse on a 360,
smaller than 46inchs they are better.
so i say get a 64inch moniter bose speakers and…
Play Station 3
all considered this is the ultimate combo for the ultimate gamer
Yes, it’s true. For movies a PS3 is way better on a decently sized screen.
Gamewise though I honestly feel the 360 is great. Granted my monitor I currently use is only 52 inches as anything beyond that is way too expensive for my tastes even with a decent warranty, but you did use 46 inches as your measure and at 52 inches my 360 still looks nicer than my PS3 in most cases.
Know what looks better for movies when you have the cash to get a 64 inch screen and some sweet audio? A purpose-built entertainment unit. Hell my current one’s got all kinds of shiny things. I can jam near any memory stick with audio/video into it, it plays at full HD, plays all formats including some now more or less dead (HD-DVD, anyone?) and has a ton more jacks for more devices.
Why settle for any console as an all in one when you got the cash? Seriously. And don’t use the space argument if you’re mentioning a screen over 60 inches.
I agree on the feeling that a PS3 gives when I am playing. Although I do play online often, and only own a PS3, and have played online with the Xbox 360, I find little differences between the two consoles. I had the same troubles in finding open game sessions (like in COD) on both consoles.
I have had my PS3 for 2 1/2 years and it has just started to act strange (not saying its completely broken yet, i think the optical lens just needs to be cleaned.) Meanwhile, i have a friend who had 5 360s over a 4 year period. He switched to the PS3, has had it for about a year, and its still working great. Even if the PS3 costs more, it is definately more worth it then 360 in the long run (w/ free online gameplay and less extras to pay for)
Yep, it’s awesome for those on a tight budget. :D
people need to stop saying that after you buy every for the xbox its more expensive then a PS3
thats not true…. HDMI cord bought for the PS3 $25 PS3 headset 50. charge base for contollers because the 4′ cable you get from sony is too short thats another 20.
ive bought 95$ worth of stuff I had to have to play the PS3 on line
the only thing i had to buy for the 360 was a 13month live for 7.9cents a day ($50)everything else is included.
please explain to me where this comes from? the 360 comes out of the box ready to play on line the PS3 does not…you do get a 1month free to live, so out of the box the 360 is ready go.
Okay so this actually helped settle an argument between me and a PS3 lover (I personally am a 360 fanboy but I don’t think either console has a true upper hand on the other) I know PS3 has it’s blu-ray player and its got @Home and can install linux but the whole thing is these are gaming consoles people GAMING CONSOLES! not computers which actually beat both of these consoles into the ground but that is beside the point. Both have good games it just depends on what you prefer, me I like FPS games and RPG’s which the 360 has some of the best out there. But on PS3 you have the same thing gamewise and personally if I had the money I would buy both systems because I want to play Metal Gear Solid 4 and Little Big Planet but if you really think about it that’s all that’s worth buying now people okay so Killzone 2 is coming out but what else really? Oh well okay God of War 3 if you’re into that thing. But really people quit starting wars over a game console alright my opinion is biased but I’ve had these arguments so many times and most of the time the only end the argument comes to is none because one or both sides will not give in or they agree that both systems are decently equal and play their respective hearts out on their respective systems.
Chris,
I can’t argue with you about the HDMI cable, but you can pick them up pretty cheap if you look around, & you’ll get a perfectly decent picture with the supplied cables until you can get one (I do think Sony should’ve thrown one in the box though considering it’s toughted as a hi-def console).
You can pick up a headset cheaper than that, or buy the Playstation Eye which doubles as a microphone.
Charge base – you didn’t “need” one, it was a purchase you could have easily avoided.
1. It’s a wireless controller, how often do you need the cable.
2. The battery lasts for ages.
3. Just turn on the PS3′s power save feature so it turns itself off after an hour or two of inactivity, & plug the PS3′s controller in after you’ve finished using the console, it’ll charge the controller & then turn itself off…or…
4. If you have more than two controllers just swap them around & use one whilst the other is charging, they don’t take long to charge up….or….
5. Charge the controller via a PC if you’ve got one, or a Wii (if you leave the Wii’s 24Connect thing on it’ll charge from the Wii when it’s in standby – yes it was stupid of Sony not to think of that one, but it’s hardly a big deal).
I’ve seen those charge bases, & thought of buying one, but it’d just be spending money for the sake of spending money, or you could just buy an extra long mini USB cable, I’m sure they are a lot cheaper than those charge bases.
A lack of HDMI cable won’t stop you going online, & neither will not having a headset (we’re PS3 owners anyway, we’re an unsociable bunch, we don’t want to speak to other people, we just want to kill or race them, or maybe that’s just me!). The PS3 is ready to play online straight out of the box. If you need wireless then it’s more ready than the 360 (I couldn’t possibly run a cable across 2 rooms, it would have to be really long, & routed really carefully to not look a completely mess).
There’s pro’s & cons to both consoles, & I don’t think you can say that either of them are overpriced. You get a lot of games console for very little money with the 360 (at least the Arcade is very cheap), & you get a lot of games console with the extras built in with the PS3, but you pay a premium for having it all in one nice neat tidy package. If anything I think it’s the Wii that is overpriced at this point considering how little it costs to make against what they charge for it. I think the boardroom at Nintendo is just a group of suits dancing around in a room 2 metres high in large denomination currency laughing their @rses off, & who could blame them.
Silver,
Was that sarcasm I detected? The highest form of wit.
Very possibly. Which part were you referring to?
pesonally i like the ps3 more. aside from the games you can use third party accessories. like controllers, any bluetooth headset (i use the one from my phone) and for me wi fi is a massive bonus becoz i dont have many 30 metre ethernet cables. that being said xbox still is good online but psn is almost as good and dosnt cost anything
Quote “Yep, it’s awesome for those on a tight budget. :D”.
Seemed a touch sarcastic to me, but who can blame ya.
Oh, that bit wasn’t sarcasm. That was an accurate observation about how the best experience with an xbox 360 costs more than the PS3. Also if you’re not a fan of optional hardware the PS3′s probably a bit better right out of the box although I dislike the whole not including cable for a wired connection thing. Because even if there are wires it is better for gaming. It’s things like that which make me feel the big companies don’t care about the hardcore gamers no more. That and how all of them are trying to gain a casual audience. Some casual games are awesome, but a diet of mostly casual games would kill me.
Sorry, came across as sarcastic, I misinterpreted. Damn the internet & it’s inability to translate tone of speech!
I’m actually more suprised that Sony don’t include a HDMI cable – I know they’re not expensive, but seen as they tout it as a hi-def console, it should really come with one, & it only has to be long enough to get from the console to the TV. Every ethernet cable I’ve ever got included with anything (modems & routers) has always been way too short for me, & wireless seems to work fine.
If you ask a 360 owners they’ll moan because the PS3 doesn’t with the a HDMI cable or a headset, or an ethernet cable. If you ask a PS3 owner they’ll moan because the 360 doesn’t come with Wi-Fi or bluetooth or a Blu-Ray drive.
Can’t please half of the people any of the time. My excuse is I’m English, we like a good moan, oh & a cuppa tea.
very nice article.
Im a ps3 owner. my only bitch about the system is the online experience on multi platforms.
I started with a ps3, playing online was becoming work with the lagging and loosing connection! I played cod 4,5, and forza 2 on my friends xbox 360 and well the online worked just fine. I actually sat and played online for hours with no lagging at all. I am a huge online gamer so i also bought a 360. The only game i play on ps3 is gt5 which yes lags alot but i like racing games. In the future i beleive as of now i will be buying games for the 360, forza 3, cod, halo. I still like my ps3 there well built and blu ray player but for me its online gaming, ps3 over hype games, take to long coming out and ive owned my ps3 from the beginning and where are these games that are going to blow the 360 away with amazing graphics. In 2 years or so won’t there be new consoles out??? Im a 360 guy now
ps3 lied to me. Microsoft are doing what ps3 want to do…..
well i have been an xbox fanfor a while, i started out on nintendo and graduated to ps2, then bought an xbox. i can honestly say that i like the 360, but im not with the sending it back and replacing it every so often. i play games to take my mind off this world, even for a little while. i like to pop final fantasy in and just let my mind go while playing in a different world. to me a console has to be there when i need it, at any hour. besides the final fantasy, i also love the metal gear saga. games like that can keep me playing for days on end. its important that when i need to “get lost” and away from this world, that my console is there waiting and not enroute, or on the delivery truck, or in the store waiting to be picked up. and it always happens at the wrong time doesnt it? (RROD) SONY-PS34LIFE
Seems like the lag users are experiencing on the ps3 is on their end. I’ve never had any lag issues with it. I guess ymmv. Good chance it’s either you or the other players your gaming with.
Actually I noticed the same thing.
While xbox live was always reliable for me apart from when the server was down for maintanence, online gaming on the PS3 had it’s ups and downs. Nowadays I stick to the PS3 for exclusives and usually only play it offline whereas my 360 hogs all the multiplayer action. Only problem I have is with the crappy d-pad on street fighter.
The 360 d-pad is indeed quite awful.
ok I don’t see why it matters if the xbox 360 has the red ring of death. Any console will eventually have issues and most sony fanboys’ statements similar to “I’ve had my ps3 for 2 years and it still running great!” is not as great as it sounds because the general complaint by sony fanboys about the RROD is that of “What good is having a console if it breaks after 3 years?” It doesn’t take a genious to figure out that because the 360 has been out longer it has more reports of break downs. The ps3 is really only runnin on its 3rd year and sure the argument arises “But it breaks down less often.” Really because what happens if at the end of this year ps3′s start breaking down faster than 360′s did? well just about same lifespan and considering there WILL be another set of next-gen systems, repairing your 360 could only cost as much as $100 to maybe $200. after the price difference of buying the console the ps3 both cost relatively the same.
the xbox controller actually has trigger the ps3 controller has shitty like square buttons. The xbox controller has the joysticks were they’re most used. The d-pad is hardly used in the ps3 and xbox. The xbox has overall better positioning than the gay ps3 made by some twiggy little japs.
Anonymous,
We don’t know what the failure rate of the PS3 after 3 years will be, most of the consoles could work for a decade or more without problem, or they could start breaking down – it’s speculation either way, which is basically making stuff up.
RROD matter because we actually have evidence of the failure rate of the 360 because it was initially that bad, & still isn’t exacly great.
DIablo666,
Are you sure you’re name isn’t Cleetus or Roscoe or something similar. Do you have a shotgun & a younger brother with sticky out ears who plays the banjo – squeal piggy squeal. Do you still think black people should be your slaves working the fields? You xenophobic, homophobic, IQ deficient hick.
Kaden, I think it’s accurate to speculate the PS3 won’t last as long as some of the older consoles simply due to more moving pieces (and smaller ones too). Unless Sony have worked some kind of magic, I wouldn’t be surprised if most are dead within half a decade. I could be wrong as the oldest consoles seem to die before the next generation (SNESs seem to last a damn long time), but in general that’s how most electronics work.
What is inaccurate is speculating they’ll all come down at a similar time or after two or three years. There’s no way of knowing anything like that just yet, though I’d guess a PS3 would be live around about the same period as the average PC in terms of what’s under the hood. Possibly a bit shorter due to cramming the power supply in there which I’ve heard can get quite hot (not good for electronics), but I’d still expect it to last a few years to half a decade or more if well looked after.
And I agree about Diablo666.
The only thing I’ve ever had that was made well by US manufacturers is my Mag-Lite. Seems they make weapons and things that can be used as weapons better than most places but as far as electronics go they’re so-so. He did raise a good point about the 360′s triggers and analog sticks though. They is tight.
I was wondering if anyone had any experiences with buying a new PS3 and transferring downloaded content? I know no-one who’s had to yet and I’m curious as to the process. 360 was as easy as using an online license transfer tool and if you have the games you downloaded on external memory they work either with the new licenses OR if you access them from your account and are connected to the net.
I’ll find out myself if they release a silver PS3 here somewhere down the track…
I think the earlier PS3 models get hotter than the new ones. I’ve got an 80GB (no backward compatibility), & it doesn’t even get warm most of the time, but I hear the older ones do. If they do bring out the 45nm one that should stay even cooler so reliability should be even less of a worry then.
I haven’t been able to try the 360 joypad as everytime I’ve been to a shop the display 360 has either been RROD (good selling technique by the shop, not) or had a game on like Lips that isn’t worth trying. I’m personally very happy with the Dual Shock, & my fingers haven’t slipped of L2/R2 yet, which seems to be one of the things people complain about, & you can get the clip on triggers if you really want, they’re only about £3.
On the ps3, if this is what your talking about, as long as you bought it, you can download it as many times, and share that content with up to 5 different ps3s at once (friends). You just need all your same login info.
I have a few games that a friend of mine bought installed on my ps3, and I can use it regardless of what profiles I am logged in to.
Great article and it just shows the small difference between each of the consoles.
The thing that swayed it for me towards a PS3 is that the XBOX360 has the “three dots of doom” situation and th PS3 is an overall better multimedia option.
The only problem with the PS3 is as you said XBOX Live is so much more better.
I liked my 360…but then it gor the rrod…I have no warranty. I dont like my 360 anymore. I personally dont really care about online gaming, folding, playing space invaders or watching blu-ray/HD…but I JUST WANT TO PLAY GAMES WITHOUT MY SYSTEM EATING SHIT.
So now I’m buying a ps3. From what Ive read its quiet and reliable, and thats all I want. The 360s notorious lack of reliability murdered any appeal it had for me.
I am saving to buy a 360 soon. I have a PS3, and it has been in the shop for a month for they cant get a lazer replacement for it, they are sold out everywhere. Only other option is sending it to Playstation and waiting for more MONTHS to get it back. SO…I am going to get an xbox to play COD5 live on it until I get my PS3 back someday. Then I’ll use it only for my older games and blueray. I am mad that xbox has to charge for online play when PS3 can make it free?? BUT I am also mad that in some research, the lazers seem to go out frequently in the PS3, but they will not make it easily available to have repaired regular repair shops for blueray etc. I hear so many people say some games are better on some than others. I wish I could find a site that would list that, so I’ll know before I buy.
I have had no problems with Sony returning my PS3, when I(emphasis on I) messed up my console. I had it repaired and returned within a couple of weeks. They are quick and efficient. In that respect my friend also messed his up. (Compressed air turned almost upside down to gett the dust off because he wasn’t thinking it condensed on the electronics and should’ve been considered water damage but i digress.) He got it back in two weeks as well was like brand new again.
First up i would like to say thank you to Carl for a brilliant console omparison. It really helped me to understand thr ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ of both consoles. Secondly, I would like to thank all you guys who have commented you too helped me see and decide which console too buy.
I got and XBOX 360 Elite and recently it has got red lights just after the years warranty ran out :( I was extremely frustrated as this is the second time it has happened and, like a previous comment highlighted I feel it is unacceptable for priducts too keep constantly breaking down.
After reading through the article and comments written I have decided that I am going to fix my XBOX and sell it then buy a PS3. Online gaming is very good but it is not pivotal to me and I just want to have a console that works and i do no need to worry about RROD.
Thanks again
Tom
Don’t void your warrenty just yet buddy.
For RRoD the warrenty is 3 years. Same as any other problems that have popped up a few times.
Unfortunately for me the warrenty didn’t cover having a large TV dropped on top of it. ;!
No biggie though as a pro unit is cheap these days and the 120gb HDD slides right in. Used the license transfer tool and I was good to go.
I bought a PS3 then superbowl weekend. It bit the dust when i was sliding my big screen around and pulled it off the shelf btw they dont handle a 4 foot fall very well. I had thought about buying an xbox 360 but i have over $500 in games and added accesories for my ps3 now. That right there makes up my mind, its ps3 again. Blu Ray Player is sweet
I’ve decided to have both systems just so that i have a wider range of games to pick from. I personally do not have a preference for either system. I think it is important to note that quite a few people who had the earlier generations of xbox or had their console banned ended up buying a replacement. I believe that has artificially inflated the sales figures in terms of new customers.
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great article ! it really helped me ! i am yet to buy 360 or ps3 ! so i want a genuin advice from the writer himself or any other person ! firstly i hope that games would be frequently realeasng on both and will not be stopped ! secondly will and xbox elite from USA work properly in India with the ability to run Indian Games ! thirdly i prefer black colour , so elite or PS3 ? do reply ! thnx !
I was just wondering due to the RROD (Red ring of death) on the Xbox how many Xbox 360 consoles have had to be replaced and how that has increased its sales over the more reliable PS3?
Well Jimmy (I can call you Jimmy, right?),
I believe most units that are destined to fail do fail within the warrenty period meaning they’re replaced at no additional cost therefore no sale.
So I’d say it hasn’t increased the sales of the much more enjoyable console (except in terms of smug/media viewing), the 360, all that much.
Silver,
Quote “much more enjoyable console” – if you like?! – depends on what you find enjoyable! I personally wouldn’t find it enjoyable constantly expecting my console to brick itself at any moment – warranty or not. That one’s down to personal preference though as I’m sure the 360 is awesome whilst it’s working – after all, the PS3 is (awesome, not working, although it is working, still).
I do agree that even MS don’t class warranty replacements as sales (I’d be suprised & disgusted if they did), so I don’t think these will affect the numbers. You do, however, hear a lot of stories about passionate gamers with 360′s buying 2nd units so that they have something to game on when their main units dies & has to go back to MS for repair, or buying a replacement unit when their goes poof outside warranty.
I’d say the sales figures for the 360 are inflated due to 2nd/3rd units sales, but not to the levels that some PS3 fanboys would like to think.
I also think it’s sad & amusing that people have to consider things like this with a 360, & I don’t think I’ve ever come across another product that creates this mentality where a proportion of 360 owners actually consider this okay, & will blindly go through 4 units whilst still slagging off the competition – it’s almost like a badge of honour to some people (like ASBO’s in the UK).
For me, it doesn’t matter – I have my PS3 & a PC & the two complement each other – I get access to a lot of the “360 exclusives” on the PC. I look forward to Alan Wake, but I’ll admit I’m still a bif miffed about Fable II not being on PC yet. Couldn’t give a monkeys uncle about anything Halo or Gears of War.
GT5, God of War III, & The Last Guardian will increase sales of the much more enjoyable console. But it’s not more enjoyable, yes it is, no it’s not, but but but…..what’s the best console – neither… both…. the PC…. but that isn’t a console…. the Wii then…. don’t be silly – in that case there isn’t one….but I want my console to be better because I bought it….tough luck…but I’m a fanboy…..still tough…..the other one can’t be any good because I don’t have it….but it’s too expensive….but yours breaks down a lot….only 3 times so far, but yours doesn’t have any games….oh, how 2007 of you….it looks like a George Foreman grill….but look at that power supply….Blu-Ray is so slow….DVD is so small…Xbox live is much better…no it’s not, & you got to pay for it…it’s only a few $ a month & you get what you pay for….but yet the PS3 is still expensive, you get what you pay for….it doesn’t work like that….oh, now it doesn’t work like that?…. gaystation…. 3fixme… fanboy…. xbot…… blah blah blah blah blah.
I think that’s roughly how a fanboy argument proceeds. I may have missed a step or two in the ever descending spiral of stupidity that we find ourselves occassionally caught up with whilst we try our best to maintain the high ground.
Well the guy did call the PS3 more reliable and so far I’ve only had problems with a PS3 (unless you include the problem of what happens when you drop a TV half the size of your wall on top of a 360). Granted it was a PS3 that was in a known fruity bunch, but either way the blu-ray laser going or my hard drive not being recognised til I fiddle around with it every so often really bugs me.
Enjoyable is honest for me just as reliable might be honest for he (if he even ever owned a 360), like you said, that stuff’s all personal preference. lol
I don’t think the sales are too inflated. Not that many I know have two units apart from those who are wealthy enough and they’re a minority.and as the console has a RRoD warrenty of 3 years, 360s have only been out for a year or so longer than that and most RRoD-prone consoles die well within three years, there’s really not much space to move there.
I don’t consider my 360 failing but I think a good part of that is knowing even if it does fail for a reason not my own fault MS are pretty damn good at sending out a new one. Easy shit. Now if I lost my investment for good I’d likely be annoyed at them somewhat but as it is, I can afford a spare for if my main RRoDs if need be (none have thus far) and the longest MS has taken to send one to a friend in my area is a fortnight.
Oh and I also doubt many have gone through 4 consoles as few strike me as that retarded. I mean seriously, if three of the same consoles die on you, will you really buy another? Unless like me you have the money, you won’t and way too many people claim they have gone through that many units. Particularly before a statement like PS3 RULEZ! or PS3 4 lyfe! or something similar.
I don’t even need to go into off the shelf retail games. The 360′s arcade titles alone kill the PS3′s total offerings for me. Look them up if you haven’t there are some beautiful exclusives there both console and otherwise.
As for that last part, I have a PS3 for the odd title I want that I can’t get elsewhere but screw GT5 and God of War 3. Yeah I loved previous God of War games but not only do they start feeling slightly repetitive, but now there’s a shitload of clones available too. Kind of like how everything Halo bar the Halo 3 multiplayer aspect feels to me. It’s been done and even with a facelift it’s still more or less the same thing. At least the Halo 3 multiplayer gives all kinds of new options to allow one to act retarded in a multiplayer setting and I feel other games would benefit from doing something similar.
I’m a gamer first and foremost and I base my decision on what I’ve experienced. I dislike all this new motion crap every console maker seems to be trying as well as all the casual games choking the shelves and as far as I’m concerned the 360 and the Wii’s Virtual Console are where the fun is right now for me. Maybe for you the PS3 does what the 360 does for me (especially as most of the best games now are multiplatform), but there’s just something the 360 gives me that the PS3 don’t.
I have a ps3 and bought it primarily because for the extra money spent you get a blu-ray player, a blu-ray player alone is £100-£200. the console itself is more reliable. everyone i know with a 360 has had red ring in a year and a half but all the people i know with a ps3 have had no problems, and one of my mates has had one since the release. the 360 may have better online but i dont think it is good enough to warrant the cost of live. The only reason i would consider a 360 is thye console exclusive games which regardless of what the article says i believe are better, gears of war 2 being one of the best games i have played in ages.
You should really meet more people. =D
I had a launch elite and it only died because a television fell on top of it doing noticeable damage to the console. The hilarious part is while I was initially told it wouldn’t be replaceable due to it being my own fault, there was a change of heart, and now I’ll be getting a replacement. I wonder if Sony would be that cool if someone dropped a huge-ass television on top of their PS3?
I got a 360 pro for use in the meantime and it seems just as good, as quiet if not quieter than my PS3 which still makes more noise than my Wii. What’s also funny is I’m not the biggest FPS fan and I still find more games I prefer on my 360 than on my PS3. Yeah the PS3 has a few games I’d hate to lose like LittleBigPlanet, Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea 3, but apart from those I don’t really play the damn thing. It’s pretty much become a media centre I play my DVDs and media files on.
You honestly think the 360 is quieter than the PS3! lmao that is the funniest thing i have ever heard. When i read that i seriously laughed out loud! You obviously have never played a PS3.
My 360s have both been quieter than my PS3s. They make around about the same level of fan/disc noise but the PS3′s got those annoying beeps it does from time to time for whatever stupid reason. I expect that from some PCs, but not a gaming console.
Silver,
I appreciate that some PS3′s will go faulty, & some 360′s will be solid. I was referring to the general concensous that the 360 is quite unreliable in comparison to..well..most electronics.
You’re right, I don’t own a 360, never have. I have a decent gaming PC & most of the good 360 exclusives end up on the PC anyway, not so much with the PS3. The combination of PS3 & PC works for me. I can’t see a compelling reason to get a 360, & the reliability issues do put me off.
Even though you state that MS warranty & customer service is efficient, & I have no reason to doubt you, you yourself have 2 units, & you aren’t the only one. I say the sales figures are inflated, but agree that it’s probably not by massive amounts. I also accept that some people who claim to have gone through 4, 5 or 6 consoles are PS3 fanboys trying to stir things up, but I won’t accept that it’s all of them. Even taking this into account a lot of those will have been warranty repairs & not part of any sales figures anyway.
You’re entitled to your opinion of GT5 & God of War III. I am not bothered for Halo or Gears of War either, but that won’t stop these monster games from selling. These 4 titles alone are among the biggest of the big when it comes to game franchises, & they do sell like hotcakes regardless of yours & my opinion of them. Either way GT5 & GoWIII will be good for the PS3 when they finally release – I think it’s doing a lot better than the American (generally) internet doubt machine likes to make out, but a boost in sales is never a bad thing.
I agree about the motion control situation. It has it’s place, but I don’t want the next 4 years of gaming to be just ported Wii titles & shovelware. The Wii has some really good titles & can be oodles of fun, but it also has the biggest percentage of available crap out of the 3 consoles, & I don’t want quality to suffer because they try to incorporate Natal or Sony’s falic glowing ball of fun at the cost of good games.
I fiind that exclusives on the PS3 are the games I have most fun with, & not the multiplatform games, although there is some good ones out (don’t reckon a lot to Prototype, playing it on the PC at the moment, it’s a bit mediocre, kinda fun now & then but looks awful on a monitor at 1680×1050 – maybe it’d be better on a TV).
Nice of MS to replace a console you bricked, got to give them some Kudos for that.
Trouble is the general concensus isn’t likely a good indicator, especially these days as half the xbox360 players I know don’t even go on the internet through anything other than a 360 nowadays.
Just the IM integration and online experience through the 360 I guess. The ones that do go online tend to do so because they actually bother checking their emails, some love a forum or two and a few just use their PCs at work. :/
And yeah, one 360 (two when I get a new one back or my old one back if they have some sort of a console panel beater), a couple PS3s (a new 80gb and an old 60gb with PS2 emulation still available) and a Wii. Used to have two wiis for Virtual console games but I sold one when they let you play the games off SD cards. Some sweet shit that. But I do need to eventually pick up a decent gaming PC. I’m currently using a smaller laptop that can barely run Fallout 3 at optimal settings with no spares around…
As for the Wii, I’ve found that generally it’s the most fun when you stick to Virtual Console and also grab the odd must have retail game/Wii Ware title. House of the Dead Overkill with the hand cannons is simply amazing as is Super Smash Bros. Brawl with a wireless gamecube controller. To me they’re a good part of the gaming diet and regardless of whether you grab a 360 or a PS3, the Wii makes a great side-console.
Ah Prototype… I could never really get into it that much, though some parts were mildly amusing for a while. Same as that inFamous game everyone was telling me was awesome. I preferred an older game ‘The Bard’s Tale’ in that though the choices weren’t as interactive they certainly were funnier. Also those retarded singing goblin things were hilarious. I think it was on all the older consoles and PC so if you see a copy, give it a go. lol
And yeah, I was using my PS3 with a Flatron W2242T which has 1680×1050 as it’s native resolution and things did look a little screwy. @_@
Maybe it’s that resolution in general? I could hook a few things up to a monitor at that resolution and see…
And yes, it was very nice of them, especially as I didn’t act angrily or anything. Just told them exactly what happened and they said there wasn’t likely anything I could do and then I heard back from them a bit later that they would replace it. I’ve never had that kind of good service from anyone else.
As i write this my xbox is currently arriving at its destination with Microsoft to be repaired for the 2nd time after my second RROD. Its nearly 3 years old and I only have 1 month left on my warranty so it finally kicked the bucket at the right time. I say finally because after about 2 months from its last repair which was when it was about 1 year and half old, it started playing up by taking about 15 mins to read some games and dvds. Some would play no bother strangely enough but others could take 15 to 30 mins for console to recognize them. I didnt wanna go another 2 to 3 weeks without the console so i persisted until now when i finally signed upto xbox live and tada! I installed the new interface started playing fifa online and it crashed! I wasnt very surprised to see the RROD when i loaded it next time.
All in all this has put me off ever buying any microsoft hardware again, let alone just xbox’.
Customer service was mince as-well as they tried to fob me off with how uncommon it is for the same console to RROD again. Funny how out of 6 people, including myself, who have an Xbox 360, 5 of us have had the famous RROD. One bought an elite after his instead of repairing it as he has enough money to do so, another had RROD 3 times before selling up and buying a ps3 and after mine is repaired for 2nd time I’m away to sell it all and buy a PS3. I simply dont trust the console enough to plow more money into a new one. Even if they are designed better than old ones, they’re still not immune to the RROD from what i’ve read.
I just feel sorry for the poor sod whos gonna buy my xbox after its repair coz if its anything to go by the last time I dont hold much hope for it surviving long!
Out of the 17 360 owners I know IRL (some geeky from my LAN party days, some construction workers from my old career, a guy from school and just my mates here in my home town) including myself, only two have had RRoDs. That’s why I don’t buy the rate being as bad as some moan about. Maybe our stores all have good batches, maybe we look for things such as the 12.1A voltage indicating the console is a Jasper, maybe we’re just lucky. Either way half of us have had our 360s for a matter of years and there’s only been two RRoDs. Newer models may not have conquered the RRoD, but I really don’t see many get bricked and I have worked in and around stores that fix consoles. As for the elite being RRoDless, possibly the newer models are more resilient BUT one of those two 360s I mentioned that carked it (the one belonging to my old school friend) was a launch elite so they can still be susceptible.
As for customer service, I’ve called them a few times as some of my friends have… ‘issues’ with customer or tech support and their own rage. Might be different for other countries, but here the tech support seem pretty awesome at what they do. They certainly helped me out once when they didn’t need to.
Everyone I know who has a xbox 360 has at least had one rrod or more so yeah i would say from my perspective it’s worse than microsoft will ever admit. If you have a older model xbox i would say rrod is very likely it just depends on how often you use it and for how long.
Really? For me it’s a minority of people.
Maybe you and your friends got a fruity batch like that one of PS3s ebgames got here a while back. I just had to buy one of those ones too, not one from one of the 99% of good batches… Grrrr.
But yeah, the launch consoles do tend to drop like flies (with a few remaining, just remaining quite loud at the same time), but newer ones don’t seem to die as easily. I’d know as I’ve had two newer 360s, one’s still running great and the other got crushed by a half a wall sized TV…
It still powered on, just wouldn’t do anything. But then, it powering on while half crushed was more than I expected it to do.
Breaking down 2 times in 3 years. Jeez. That seems to be common problem with them, and I don’t know how ANYONE can defend the RROD. Sure they’ve fixed it supposedly… I’m sure they did a dandy job with the new ones, they have all the experience fixing the problems over the four years the 360 has been out…
Some 360 fans say that they prefer the 360 for the pure gaming aspect and blame the ps3 for being a media platform first. That’s why they’re making a move to enforce facebook and twitter (lol) on the 360. Tried to play COD:WAW online at a friends house over xbox live and it honestly took longer than the ps3 does to find a game of nazi zombies (I know this cause I rented COD for the ps3 recently). What a joke.
Did your friend have dialup or a poorly configured network?
As a guy whose friends are more often not mostly huge FPS fans I not only have it on both consoles but I also have the Collector’s Edition with the sweet ass stainless steel flask and tin. I’ve NEVER found it to be a problem on the 360 and it’s usually a lot faster to set up a good game with your mates via the invites system. I haven’t had a problem with the PS3 version either, but the 360′s has always struck me as most conveniant. :/
Silver,
2 bricked 360′s out of 17 is still an 11.76% failure rate which is way above industry standard. It may be a lot better than the initial batch of 30%+ failure rate that the launch 360′s suffered from, but it’s hardly what I’d call a selling point, & if you class you & your friends experience as a good one then it makes you wonder what a bad run is like.
You will always get different levels of customer service at different times. Depends on who you get, what mood they’re in, etc. Also, different people have different expectations, & what I might class as good customer service others may not be happy with even though they’re essentially the same thing. You can’t please everybody all of the time.
Rhetorik,
People will defend the 360′s RROD because they spent money on it, & need to justify their purchase. The same as some PS3 owners defend their console of choice even when somebody else may have a valid criticism (ie, iffy multiplatform ports, & mandatory installs). I wouldn’t put either of those 2 issues as high up the “what were they thinking” scale as the 360′s reliability issues, but you catch my drift.
As far as I’m aware, they haven’t done a dandy job on the news 360′s, just slightly less of a hatchet job than the old ones. I mentioned previously that shop staff at Game (UK) advised me a few months back that they were still getting 360′s back daily for all chipsets & varieties including the elite with various problems so it’s not limited to one particular iteration of the 360.
Silver/Rhetorik,
Even not having used xbox live the feature list does make it sound easier to get online & communicate with your friends than PSN. The PSN is definitely a quite segmented experience being on a game by game basis. I can understand the reason why people of a social disposition would choose xbox live over PSN for convenience alone. For me it doesn’t justify the cost, & I don’t have any problems online, but I get it.
The difference is some 360 owners HAVEN’T experienced a single reliability issue with their 360 (unless you include having it crushed by a giant TV, but I bet any console would have been crushed. Hell, it marked my tiled floor beneath the console) whereas ALL PS3 owners have to deal with mandatory installs and the poorer online service.
I haven’t had an issue so I rave about the 360. Maybe if I did go through a 360 a week like some claim to I’d start to care. Even if I did have one that went two or three times a year though I still wouldn’t give a damn as 360s are stupidly cheap these days and you can just slot in the old hard drive and use your older peripherals. How cheap are they here? Two or three retail games’ price cheap. I could buy three a week on minimal job hours.
Very well done on the article.
I feel picking a system depends on income favorite types of game.
E.G. I used to own a 360 but have traded it in for a ps3, due to being a huge fan of the metal gear series, a big fan of shooters. Also income wise due to I already pay for a high speed net and I can’t afford the extra cost due to the econmy and bills.
The 360 may be “stupidly” cheap, but I didn’t realise they were designed to be disposable. Although I think that anybody who claims to go through one a week might be talking out of their @rse. I may think the 360 is unreliable, but I’m not that delusional.
In prinicipal I agree with Tim’s sentiment that you should pick a console based on the games you want to play, there are other factors, but I believe this to be the main one.
I’ve had disposable mobile phones that cost more. :/
Maybe they weren’t designed to be disposable, but they turned out that way and the core unit’s all you need to rebuy. Everything just works with it which suits me well.
When I came to the decision of buying a new console I was really confused about which one to choose (PS3 or XBOX 360); I finally decided for xbox 360 elite because I previously owned an xbox and I had never had a ps before. I was happy with my console and I signed up for xbox live. Everything was doing OK until I bought a PSP and saw the whole XMB stuff which I found really fancy, afterwards played on a friend’s PS3 and realised it had the same interface, that’s when I started wanting a PS3; later on I learned about the whole blu ray stuff and I went mad for a PS3 so I bought a 40 gb model. At first I thought I would only use it to watch movies in blu ray but I found the sixaxis very comfortable to use and the XMB really easy to understand (I cannot say the same with the menus of the xbox even with the new interface) so I started buying games for it and liked it.
I signed up for PSN and started playing online and I really can’t tell the difference between the gameplay in PSN and XBL; I found myself fond to the organization of the playstation store, finding it very easy to use and very useful to download demos, plus I didn’t have to buy a wi fi adaptor for the console.
My main concern when reading your articles was which console was better because I thought that the fact of PS3 having its games on blu ray discs already gave it an advantage in graphics over the DVDs used by the xbox. Now I learn that the disc is not the principal factor determining th quality of graphics.
To be sincere, the controler for the xbox is more ergonomic than the one of the PS, but the thing I really despise of the xbox is all the noise that it makes, microsoft should really work on that.
Exclusive titles for the PS3 have been great, I have really enjoyed playing Killzone 2, LBP, MGS4 and inFAMOUS; I cannot say the same about Haze (really bad game) or Lair (the only good thing of this title was the use of the sixaxis movement detector to control the dragon). I am waiting for the release of God of War III and Uncharted 2, which are expected to be awesome.
Other thing that has really impressed me of the PS3 is its compatibility with the PSP, I really have no words to describe how cool is that.
Even though I dont play games on my 360 anymore, after reading this article I think I will try again and look for that little differences you recall in the text; I have both consoles, so why not taking the best out of both?
Ah, I see one has already converted. They saw the light. Haha
As a side note to the wonderful XMB (I also found the new and old 360 layout quite confusing and useless) is that Sony also uses the XMB on their new TVs and Blu-ray players. I’d say it’s a decent way to organize things and they see it that way too.
When some people are paying upwards to 100 dollars a bill for high speed internet and tv service I can see how they would hate to spend however much the different xbl services are. If you can do without all the dandy friends service the xbl has, why not just go the free route? Thousands are doing it just fine on the ps3 every day.
I love the XMB, I think it looks very smart, & it’s easy to use. The only thing I am wanting is for the “in-game XMB” to streamlined so that it only shows the items that are available without quitting the game – hopefully if they do this it will speed up the menus somewhat.
Well I had a 360. bought brand new. it broke down not even a week later(and no I am not even close to a hard core gamer) I just bought a 80gb PS3 and there’s no contest. PS3. and 360 defiantly has gone as far as it will go. ps3 hasn’t even started. you really think I want to buy a new system every year? PS3 will last, it still has a future. 360 is gone and done for. no contest, those who need to choose do yourselves a favor, get a PS3, Microsoft is horrible when it comes to customer service, horrible product. PS3 will be around a lot longer
I bought a 360 in the recent week, and I’ve been playing for awhile now, I didn’t get any rings or any other problems. But now that I look back, I really should have gotten a PS3. I know there’s no point being a fanboy. I’ve seen friends with PS3′s and they are having a great time with it. But my friends with 360′s have less fun times. And with all the great games coming out, like inFAMOUS (which I really want to get!) and others. I’m disappointed that I didn’t notice earlier, and now I’m stuck with this 360 that I don’t enjoy :(
Great article. Although I think you should revise the playstation @home part because it has gotten a lot better. All of the people now look completely different, and the different game locations you can travel too can be really cool.
Hey uh good comparison. You did a really good job. Personally I’m an Xbox fan just because of the online features and the party feature. I swear if the PS3 made me pay $8 a month and gave the same online features as Xbox I wouldn’t hesitate to get a PS3. Then again it would just be the same console.
xbox 360 is garbage I went through 3, the first one I got took a shit when I hooked it up, after the third one failed I got it replaced and sold it to my brother he’s went through 2 all in the time span of 2 years
Another kudos for this article. I’ve read the previous 2 articles (launch and 1st year) and found them very
objective. Except for this article, which voted for PS3 by its end. Nevertheless, I liked this article very much.
I have a PS3, and I started looking in the internet for articles concerning it after buying it. I don’t know, maybe
I’m just out to justify my purchase. But prior to buying, I had the chance to play with my friend’s console. We had
guitar hero world tour then, just enjoying the songs we liked and pretending to make music. Then I started browsing
for articles about the PS3. I never knew there is a war going on!
There are several things which sold the PS3 for me.
First, of course, are the games. I won’t know whether its exclusive or not. As long as I like it, I’d buy it. And I
also wait for at least 2 months after its launch before buying so I could buy it used for a lower cost. And if there
is a game I like which is XBox 360 exclusive, I’ll just go to my brother-in-law’s home and play it there.
Second, its multimedia capabilities and connectivity. I can plug a USB drive into it and play music, videos and
pictures of my son and wife (I’m a long way away from home) through the living room TV. And if that’s not enough,
I’ll log on to the internet, go to youtube and watch my brother in law show-off his new helicopter flying moves. I
don’t have to worry about tripping over network cables and such since I can connect it wirelessly to the router
located in the other room. This may be a disadvantage when I try to stream HD videos through the wireless network,
the connection is just too slow for this purpose and the lag is unacceptable. So I guess I’m stuck with connecting a
USB drive. By the way, the drive has to be formatted in FAT32, so very large files (ripped from blu-ray or HD-DVD)
have to be split into 4GB files first. I don’t know if XBox360 have this limitation. And I can also listen to music
when I’m washing dishes in the kitchen by connecting my PSP through ORP.
Third is the lifetime of the console. I can’t deny that this console may be out of date by 2009 or so, but I don’t
really care if it’s that old. Hell, I bought my first PS2 (early 2008) when the XBox 360, Wii and even the PS3 is
already sitting beside it in the store window. But looking forward, for me it has a longer lifespan than XBox 360 or
Wii. I mean, come on, blu-ray, wi-fi, bluetooth, USB connectivity, changeable non-proprietary laptop hard-drive,
updatable firmware?
I’m not going through the online experience part, since I don’t have that many friends playing consoles and going online to play with other people.
As for the XBox 360′s RROD, I don’t even know that the 360 had these problems before I bought my PS3. But now that I knew, it justifies my purchase more hehe.
That’s it for me. If I have the financial capabilities, I’d buy a XBox 360 with all its accessories and games and annual membership fees. But since I don’t have that much money, I’ll stick with my PS3.
I’ve had three xbox 360s (two got rrod) and only one ps3(still going strong) for the past two years or so and to make matters worse now my xbox wireless adapter has now decided to f**k up, at least it outlasted the first two consoles. So now I just can’t be bothered with microsoft anymore. I wished I never invested in a libray of xbox 360 games i’ve gained over the years. From now on i’ll stick to ps3, even if multi-platform games generally favour the xbox. For the online stuff’(most gamers on xbox live are hateful anyway) i don’t often play online and i find psn store a lot less cluttered and proper money is better than the crappy points system. I had great times on the xbox 360(maybe again someday) but i’m tired justifying having one with all the problems so f**k em. By the way nice article.
hey i just bought the limited edtion 360 i will admidt i am a fanboy for the xbox but mostly cause of the online issue you talk about but getting back to what i was saying i bought the limited edtion 360 the red one with resident evil 5 and it is so much quiter than my buddys xbox like silent so i did some research and i guess there is a new chip that makes it quiter and it only runs off of 12 amps wich is alot better than the old one which i think is 24 energy efficient but i wanted to make a argument about that if the xbox was more
sorry im out here in iraq in the army my internet shuts off sometimes but yea if it is as quite as the playstation 3 would you like the xbox better for its better performance and game selection
I think most of the noise of the xbox is actually caused by the dvd drive more than the fans cooling the chips so if you install the games to the hard drive (If you have the space) it’s almost as quite as the ps3(if have a newer model xbox after it rrod again) but definitely not if you play straight from the disc regardless of what model it is, though you are right to say they have gotten quiterer in the later console changes.
My Xboxes have all run fairly silently. :/
Even compared to the PS3.
That said, the Wii’s quieter than both the 360 and the PS3 so if you’re going to judge your pick on the noise they make alone, GET A WII!!!!
But yeah, old 360s can be really, really loud. Take my mate’s launch console for example. He got it for us all to play and I still distinctly remember having to turn the volume way up just to drown out the noise…
Nowadays my 360 sits next to me for easy disc swapping and she barely makes a whisper. Maybe I’m just lucky with which DVD player my 360s got or something though as I’ve heard the second to last DVD drive (Phillips) is seen as one of the better ones…
i dont have a ps3 or a 360, but i have a wii, which is not as gud as those consoles, but is interesting. anyway for those of u who are arguing which console is better, the 360 or the ps3. the anwser is ovbious! its the ps3. lets face it.. ps3 puts more on the table. sure the 360 may have a bit better graphics. but does that qualify it to be better then ps3? no it doesnt. for those of u who didnt know the 360 was made by microsoft one of the most leading innvonations.. but is shit.. beacuse just look at windows! it gets fucked up after like 3 months! and did u know that the 360 got recalled for errors done by microsoft, but look at the ps3. it has a few flaws that cud have been fixed.. but still it has not been recalled! i believe the only reason why people buy the 360 is not for its higher quality graphics.. its just for a game! halo. sure its a gud game.. but its ont gud enough for some1 to buy a console for it. but look at the ps3 it offer way better games then halo. and it also puts more on the table. like it has a higher capacity hdd. bllue ray. free online gaming. thrilling games.. what more can a gamer ask for? see my point?
Thank You!
Dynamicly
You truly are an hero to the PS3 fanboy community in general!
P.S. Halo was on the original Xbox and the later Halo games on 360 won’t sell the console to all FPS fans let alone gamers. Gears of War is better.
And yes, the PS3 has a higher capacity hdd (when you buy and install a third party one, but why would you unless you’re going to use it as a media box [not enough game content to fill the standard hdd] and a proper media box will work better for that purpose), blue ray (yay for a slower drive that allows several DVDs worth of data to be stored on a single disc at the expense of speed making some games have forced installs?), free online gaming (like Xbox Live lite with less arcade games to buy) and thrilling games (just half that of the 360). What more could a gamer ask for?
This gamer thinks a 360.
Dynamicly, Please don’t try to help the PS3 cause – it’s scary.
Silver,
We all the know the graphics of the 2 consoles are very comparable. Multiplatform games tend to favour the 360, & exclusives currently tend to favour the PS3.
You can get a 160GB PS3. Isn’t the largest 360 one 120GB? so you don’t need to install a third party one (before you say it, I know it’s more expensive, & it’s probably cheaper to just buy the 80GB version & upgrade the drive yourself, just pointing out a fact).
Blu-Ray isn’t technically slower than DVD – it’s about the same speed over the whole disc. From what I’ve read the main problem is that the data has to be organised a lot more carefully on a Blu-Ray due to the size, & it’s just easier, & cheaper for the devs to make it install to the hdd. Killzone 2 ran competely off disc & that doesn’t have any isses – devs just need to get their head round Blu-Ray disc management. Saying that, I personally don’t have the slighest issue with mandatory installs anyway, & if I can’t find something to do for 5-10 minutes while a game installs then I need help (have a cuppa tea for crying out loud)..
I suspect that 360 owners have lost more time to reliability problems than PS3 owners have lost to installs.
Graphics very comparable? HA!
Oh to the naked eye most multiplatform games may achieve somewhat similar graphics regardless of platform but the graphics solutions themselves are both quite different and do things in different ways and on different levels. I’d say neither is remarkedly better than the other but each does things the other will suffer with.
And I did hear about US 160gb PS3s. Trouble is the stores over here sell 80gb models as the most expensive. I have heard of one store selling 160gb PS3s, but those were merely 80gb models with switched out drives. Guess Sony loves Australia. lol
And yeah a 2x blu ray disc doesn’t achieve the same results for disc read speeds as a 12x DVD drive. Yeah you can optimise the placement of information on a blu ray disc to achieve comparable speeds, but a 12x DVD will read faster. Oh and the DVD playing capabilities of the PS3? Only 8x I believe. Very few developers will spend as much time optimising their discs as those who created Killzone 2 as it’s just not efficient. And you’re right, mandatory installs aren’t too bad when a game library is smaller. There aren’t as many games to install!
I have firsthand experience that PS3 installs have eaten more of my time than any reliability issues with my 360. And unlike some I don’t drink tea. I’ll grab a beer and I can do that while I game…
To the naked eye is all I’m bothered about. The technicalities behind how they achieve the graphics are really not that important to me. It’s me, & the console, & the TV, oh, & my naked eyes.
I agree that most developers won’t spent time optimizing a blu-ray, & if it costs them time & money & it’s easier to stick an install in, it’s kind of understandable.
It doesn’t matter what DVD read speed is. Games don’t come on DVD’s, just films.
Metacritic currently shows 367 games for the PS3 – I think that’s enough to be going on with, & I don’t think I’d have any problem filling up an 80 or 160GB hard drive if I wanted to.
Hmmmm, beer. Yep, I’d say beer is also an acceptable alternative.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Plenty of games come on DVDs!
If you mean solely for PS3, than maybe there aren’t any. But then there might be. I remember some games on PS2 were on CDs rather than DVDs for example. I’m thinking the PS2 Metal Slug games were like that…
As for the PS3 hdds, only way I could fill one is with forced installs and other media that suits my media centre better. PSN’s downloadable game selection is pitiful compared to XBLA. And woah, 367 games? That’s just in NA, right? Because if that’s every game it’s pitiful…
they have more games a normal working person with a girl/boyfriend can handle. how many games do you need u cant buy?
i for myself have atleast 3 games at home i did not even played ONCE. because i dont have the time :(
there are so many great games out there i can never play cauze of time. maybe the xbox has more games. who cares? i cant even handle the fewer ones for PS3 >.<
and to the topic of installing:
installing is not a reason to buy or not to buy. image u buy an RPG with 100h playtime. the install takes you 10 minutes. who CARES about 10 minutes?! you have 100h fun just after these 10. and as bonus to the waiting, u have fery short loadtimes and a silent console.
also why is the readspeed important? i cant watch my DvD and Blu-Rays without any stuttering whatsoever and loading times for games are also not very long. but even if loading times are longer than on Xbox360…I CAN WATCH BLU-RAY WITH IT. beeing able to watch those nice thingis, i truly can wait 5 seconds longer then others. (if u have a seperate BR player, thats fine for you. but i didnt want the extra cost, storage, remote control and plugin on the electrics. also Blu-Ray is from Sony and also the PS3 is. so its a very good and compatible player i would think. they even make advertisement that blu-ray XYZ plays best on PS3 :D )
mfg, Robert
Oh I just like having a wider sleection with more niche games. I don’t play too many boxed games myself these days (xbla has way too many classics), but when I go shopping for them I like knowing there’ll likeoly be a few games that will appeal to me.
I myself have a shitload of unopened games as a result of having too much money. :/
I’ll probably play half of them before the next consoles come out. Maybe.
Well other people go on about the little annoyances, so why can’t I? If I wanted to install games I’d just play them on the PC. I can get more than twice the res in some PC games than so-called ‘hi-def’ in PS3 games. And that’s including some games a few years old.
Why is readspeed important? Well if your disc isn’t read fast enough, it can’t be streamed as fast which is a technical limitation. More loading time, less fast action though there are many ways a developer can mask it. Those elevator rides in some games are a new loading screen of sorts half the time.
And yeah Sony might have convinced you the PS3 is the world’s greatest media player. But my couple grand media centre farts in your general direction. It does cool stuff like hold and load one of six discs of any format at the press of a remote button, display better visualisations on either a large monitor OR a TV and it looks really awesome with it’s matching 5 speakers and sub woofer. Even plays some dead formats if I get some rarities from somewhere. Will the PS3? HELL NAW. Plus the sound I can get from it…
Kills the PS3′s capabilities any day.
Silver,
Quote “I myself have a shitload of unopened games as a result of having too much money. :/”, & “But my couple grand media centre farts in your general direction”.
You’re just showing off now. You could go off some people ya know!
On serious note, most people don’t want to spend a couple of grand on a media centre (I didn’t quite spend a couple of grand on our last car!), so comparing a £300 or $400 (whatever it costs in dollars now) console to a high end 2K media centre is hardly is a fair comparison (nice if you can afford it though). Also, Sony hasn’t convinced anybody about anything, they’d have to have a marketing department & some advertising to do that, & even PS3 fanboys have to admit that Sony has failed on that front.
367 is the number of games that Metacritic has listed with review scores, it’s the only guideline figure I could come up with without scouring t’internet for hours (got better things to do, like go to work…actually scrub that, better wasn’t really the right word to use when it comes to work, but I still had to go…Mondays).
As for the resolution thing PC vs console. I do agree that a better resolution gives a better picture..in theory. That is, unless the source material is so rubbish in the first place that all a high res monitor does is highlight how bad it looks…yep…that’s right, I’m talking about multiplatform games again..namely that PC abomination that is Prototype which has got to look better on a hi-def TV. On PC it looks four or five years old at least, & framerate issues which I understand the console versions don’t suffer from. On the other hand Bioshock & Crysis look awesome on a monitor, & there is plenty of PC exclusive games that look really good.
I just prefer sitting in a comfy chair in front of a big TV (relatively speaking).
I agree with Roberts’ take on installs & not being able to get through the PS3′s existing game catalogue though – these issues really aren’t that big of a deal if you’ve got hours of gaming to look forward to. Just like the the 360s’s reliability issues don’t appear to be a big deal to millions of 360 owners when they still get to enjoy their gaming experience for the majority of the time they own the console.
As for disc read speeds, it’s hardly a big deal. It can be optimised on the PS3, but if the developers haven’t got the time, inclination, or it’s financially prohibitive then the hard drive is a perfectly good solution & saves wear on the Blu-Ray drive anyway. After all, replacement hard drives on the PS3 aren’t expensive if the worst happens (it’s possible, hard drives do fail).
I have the money because I was smart enough to look into easy ways of making money and if I say something it’s because it’s true.
Your car analogy is flawed for one reason. You’re likely using US currency while I’m talkin’ AU currency. US currency being worth a deal more the vast majority of the time. A decent PS3 is approx $700 or $800 here, so a $2000 media centre isn’t even the same price as three PS3s. Also, you can get a decent centre for around the same as a PS3 possibly missing one or two features. I mainly got the one I did due to high compatibility, an awesome look and the sweet sound system included with it.
Like to game in your lounge chair?
I can game from my bed. Large monitors aren’t too expensive these days and combine them with a wireless keyboard/mouse/game keypad (specially made for shooters and the like) and a wireless controller and you have epic win. BUT it isn’t the same as a console in terms of how you have to boot it up and use the mouse/keyboard to less conveniantly navigate (a minimisable problem), net problems with a few games that you don’t seem to get with the consoles and also the time it takes some PCs to boot up. Higher res is higher res. If you’re worried about shite looking shite, prepare to see shite in some PS3 games if they’re released with shitty textures. Personally 1080 looks low res to me on more recent monitors if they’re big enough…
Disc read speeds are a HUGE deal when gaming, unless the game is streaming from a hdd in which case you’ll have no real problems, hence the PS3′s approach to force you to install things with some games. It’s big as it limits the max capabilities of the PS3. If it can’t be streamed, it won’t happen. Like your loading screens? You’ll have a higher chance of seeing the damn things when games start further evolving to test the hardware if they don’t force you to install content.
I would like to hear more about the building quality between the 2.
Yeah, I knew the exchange rate would take some of that 2K into account. I’m at work so didn’t have the time to look into how that would affect it, but it’s still 2 & a bit times the price of a PS3 so I’d expect a media centre at that price to perform expceptionally well at what it’s designed to do. The PS3′s media functions are good, but it’s no suprise that they don’t match up to a dedicated unit, & I wouldn’t expect it to.
I could game from my bed, but I wouldn’t be able to see the TV – that might be a tad awkward (anyway, the bedroom is for sleeping & shaggin baby…sorry, had an Austin Powers moment there..I do apologise).
Like I said before I agree with you about resolution, & a well programmed PC game will always look better than a console game, but there is a recent trend for multiplatform games to be pretty much ignored on the PC & then just shoved on that platform afterwards just as a cash inflow. Prototype may be an extreme example, but it does look dreadful on a 22″ widescreen monitor at 1680 x 1050 & runs like crap. I’ve seen console reviews complement the graphics, but when I look at Infamous on the PS3 against Prototype on the PC, the PS3 wins handsdown on this particular one (I haven’t seen Prototype on a console so can only surmise that it may look better on a TV, if it doesn’t then maybe it’s just a graphically challenged game). Maybe if I was playing it on a larger screen in a comfy chair I would be more involved in the game, & not take as much notice of how bland the city looks.
Large monitors aren’t that expensive? If you say so, replacing my old 19″ Hyundai CRT with my current Samsung T220 was a big purchase for me, & required some serious thought before I parted with the cash.
How big monitors are you talking?, as there’s been surveys & studies that strongly suggest the human eye has trouble telling 720p from 1080p on anything under a 50″+ TV at standard viewing distance. When we purchased our 40″ 720p Samsung we couldn’t tell the difference in the shop, & the price variance was around £200-300 (it cost around £550) which means it really wasn’t worth the extra cost for us to go 1080p.
The fact that every PS3 has a hard drive removes that limit as a problem. The PC has been using the HDD & installs for years now, & although still one of the slowest components in a modern PC (except DVD/CD drives) it’s still way quicker than any current affordable alternative until sold state comes into it’s own & prices come down. If the PS3 only had Blu-Ray & no HDD then I might agree with you. If an install improves game performance then I’m all for it. If it doesn’t affect game performance then I couldn’t care either way.
Gossepio,
You really want to go there don’t you. If you insist on pursuing this line of questioning then all I’ll say is look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems, & then see if you can find a similar page for the PS3. If you look at any PS3 vs 360 forum you’ll find your answer. In fact, if you’re using Internet Explorer or Firefox just click on edit, then click on Find, & then type the word “reliable” in as a search parameter, & see what you find on this single webpage alone. Nuff said on that subject.
Just set a monitor up in your room. Easy stuff.
I’m yet to play prototype on PC, but usually when a game looks shite on PC it’s either a console port or the original was made for PC and then it was later redesigned for consoles, some developers are into that kind of thing…
I can get a 22″ LG Flatron W2242T for under $200. I have several of them scattered around as they tend to be the best size for playing up close for me. Any bigger and my eyes can’t track all the onscreen action. I’ve noticed anything up to 30″ can be bought fairly cheap if you shop around but for every inch after that the price seems to climb dramatically.
As for monitor size, I’m more talking about the resolution than the physical size of the screen. When you get used to resolutions more than twice that seen on ‘HD’ consoles, you start noticing the difference. TVs just don’t have the ability to show what a kickass monitor can.
And, no it doesn’t. It remains a problem for developers not wanting a forced install and for those that don’t mind… You have a forced install. Waiting ten minutes is a disadvantage over not waiting at all if you do not wish to.
I find it funny when PCs are compared to consoles for a few reason, for one, new pc games tend to need to have the latest hardware to run a game the way its meant to be played, so you’re like a donkey chasing carrots to keep up (expensive) and the fact that console games can often visually like great (KILLZONE 2 / GEARS OF WAR 2) even though they are quite a bit underpowered to top end PCs witch in my opinion proves that you don’t need raw power to make beautiful game its all down to the developers. With consoles when you play games you’re not left feeling sour about your hardware limitations because every game on the xbox 360 or ps3 wil be the same experience for every gamer. PC gaming is hardly user friendly, the only good thing i can think of is that the games are alot cheaper.
SILVER, why the hell would you have games that you’ve never opened and 1080 looks low res……WTF.
Because I have too much money to spend and I’m like a child in a candy store when I go videogame shopping. If you’re Australian I can tell you exactly how I make the money so you can to (though, this method’s only got a few years left) but basically I just looked for an industry needing a ton of workers, picked that industry, negotiated my pay and work nightshifts.
As for 1080 looking low res, ask any PC gamer with way too much money on his hands. I don’t PC game too much these days as I’m lazy and consoles don’t require much to get things going optimally, but half my PCs run resolutions significantly better than a hi def TV.
Why compare a PC to a PS3? To me the PS3 is a shit PC. They both run media, both have games needing installs, both can be used as a personal computer… Hell, PCs can have blu ray drives. The main real differences is a PS3 will get you into the game faster and have compatibility with all games designed for it BUT the PC’s library dwarfs the PS3′s and games that are compatible with the PC tend to work a lot better the vast majority of the time.
For me, the Xbox 360 is a nightmare because I have had 3 different Xbox 360′s in the past 9 months! Two have been the RROD and the last being that it doesn’t read disc’s, then it couldn’t read my hard drive, who knows what’ll happen next! My older brother has a PS3 and he recommends i get it for LittleBigPlanet and Killzone 2 and his new game BlazBlue, which is almost like Tekken! I also like watching movies and watching a movie on Blue-Ray would be really nice!
well…the Xbox IS a little shit pc :P
and ps3 is a good mediacentre for its price. i can stream my music, vids and pics into my living room, can play funny games and watch my blu-rays while relaxing. (lying in bed and not sleeping doesnt relax me :/) and all that for ~300 Euro in a litte compact black box.
i dont want my living room packed up with 30 boxes of whatsoever, when i can have the features i most need and want in one thing :D
The PS3 is a SHITE mediaplayer. Unless you’re viewing media through mplayer or something under Linux. Just way too many formats it just don’t like. My media centre does everything yours does and more and has the added benefit of not looking like a George Foreman grill. One time I almost tried to insert a scotch fillet steak into it while half asleep, thankfully the PS3 ain’t top loading. lol
Compact black box my butt. For a game console there have been bigger… Or have there? 360 is smaller, N64 is smaller, SNES is smaller, PS2 is smaller… I think some pre mid 90s consoles might be bigger. Possibly. My media centre itself is tiny, the speakers and sub are quite nicely sized.
My living room doesn’t have 30 boxes of crap in it. Only has a large TV, a PS3, a 360, a Wii, a gaming AV splitter thing for easy console switching, a controller and remote speakers for my media centre which is housed in my bedroom and a few controllers as well as a universal remote (360 compatible logitech harmony one). My bedroom on the other hand is quickly becoming a wire jungle…
Hey should Xbox 360 get Windows wouldn’t it be smarter insted of getting Linux becuase it both by Microsoft. PS3 i knew it got Linux but the problom is i don’t know how to install it can some please help me with that and by the way GREAT artical it really changed my mind alot after reading this thanks alot for posting this artical
Silver,
You’re media centre may be awesome, but it’s kinda off topic. I haven’t come across any problems playing media files on the PS3. It copes with CD’s, DVD’s, Blu-Rays, AVI’s (divx), MP4′s, & apparently WMV’s, but I can’t confirm the last one as I haven’t tried. It’d be nice if it did MKV’s, but as DIVX is the main format I use it’s not a problem on the odd occassion I might want to use the media side of the PS3 (I use the PC mainly for media, but if I want to watch a film when my better half is playing Sims 3 it’s nice to know that the PS3 is there).
You can’t have a go at the way the PS3 looks when the 360 looks like a squished wheelie bin, it’s not exactly pretty. If I had a 360 I would be putting recycled crap inside it when I was half asleep, but Microsoft already has that covered (joke….or was it?!).
As for the size of the PS3, it’s only a couple of cm bigger than a 360 on each side, but as the PSU, wireless, & hard drive are already inside the unit it will actually take up less space than a 360, with less cable clutter. I agree that the PS3 is a large unit & compact is not a good description, but the 360 is hardly dinky.
It was actually the weight I first noticed when I opened up the box for the PS3, & not the size. It feels solid to put it mildly. Don’t expect the 360 to be as heavy with having some parts being external & separate.
Yeah but you’ll find there are some AVIs, MP4s and similar it won’t read due to not likeing part of the way the file was encoded or whatever. And some older formats like RealVideo Variable Bit Rate Files as well as existing formats such as Quicktime movies really don’t seem to want to play without mplayer through Linux,
Considering the consoles are all in the lower to mid 10s of centimetres tall, a few cm is actually quite a difference. If they were a metre tall or something than a few centimetres would be nothing, but as small as they all are it’s quite noticeable.
Squished Wheelie Bin? Try looking at a 360 with a decent faceplate like the official Hotrod one from MS. It screams made to play RPGs. I’m STILL hanging for a silver PS3 or just one of a unique colour. Do you guys have them in your respect countries yet? Sony has little love for Australia so I can never tell…
And my 360 is plenty dinky. Just stick the powerbrick behind a monitor or speakers or something and it looks like a piece of art.
And yes, the 360 is much lighter than the PS3, but on the same note, neither struck me as particularly heavy unless comparing them to previous consoles which they both seem to be quite heavier than. =D
with t-versity a can stream anything to my ps3 except mkv. but often those mkv are also avaible in divx so…problem solved ;)
and i think the ps3 looks good. u consider it big but a normal barebone is bigger and looks like a simply barebone…i just like the design and color :)
u seem to get a bit angry :/ i for myself thought the whole time, that the xbox can do the same with a wireless adapter oO and unless u have both consoles and dont sell ur shitty PS3 and i dont get it why u care so much :S
LOL. If you only knew all the video formats out there you’d know how stupid that sounds. My media centre is MUCH more compatible than the PS3 and it still has a few formats it just won’t take.
As for that second part, I don’t really care how much a spiderman font and black spray painted george foreman grill appeals to you aesthetically and the last part just leaves me totally confused. Normal barebone is bigger? Bare bone what? Or did you mean Bear Bone? Because then it depends on which of the bear’s bones.
And yes, a 360 can stream multimedia if you want it to, but I’m of the older gamer who just wants his machine to be optimised for gaming and not all this other crap a ton of other devices already have covered. Does my SNES play DVDs? Not that I’m aware. Would I want it to at the cost of it’s higher cartridge read speeds? HELL NO.
Quote “much more enjoyable console” – if you like?! – depends on what you find enjoyable! I personally wouldn’t find it enjoyable constantly expecting my console to brick itself at any moment – warranty or not. That one’s down to personal preference though as I’m sure the 360 is awesome whilst it’s working – after all, the PS3 is (awesome, not working, although it is working, still).
i have an elite and have absoluytely no fear of the red ring of death. i took my xbox to my mates once and plugged it in and switched it on, ARGH! 3 red lights, switched it off, switche dit back on, yay, 2 green lights!!! that is all its done wrong, and i have had it since the elite came out.
my perosnal opiniion is that the 360 is better, much better control configuration. ps3 controls may be six-axis but what the hell use is that? and the analogue sticks next to each other is awful, i had a ps2 and bought a gamecube when it broke cos i hated the ps2 control, gaecube is basically the same as xbox but slightly different buttons.
xbox being too noisy? install the games! a lot quieter.
turn the volume up! much more exciting, sound drowned out, oh problem fixed!!!!
meh, enough said, i personally prefer the xbox to the ps3. but it is a matter of opinnion in most cases, but actual power-wise, they are almost equal. 360 just beats it by having more grpahics to play with, games really do need that these days.
I own both consoles and like them both equally
Graphics:
Xbox 360: Great on most games but i care about gameplay.
PS3: Great on some games and killzone2 looks amazing but i want good fun gameplay.
Movies:
Xbox360: plays dvds i have tons of DVDs and i blast my movies anyway so i dont hear the console.
PS3: I have many BluRay discs aswell so whatever i see no difference in quality.
Controllers
Xbox360: Feels great nice triggers and joypads.
PS3: Feels great nice layout and joypads. Triggers could be better but i love it eitherway.
Music:
Xbox360: Dosent play music from ipod touch…
PS3: Dosent play music from ipod touch either… thank god for its ext. speaker.
Multiplayer:(Ethernet not wireless)
Xbox360:You have lag now and then easy to talk to friends.
PS3:Lag now and then and all my friends have cell phones so I just text them to go on.
I used wireless on both and i personally perfer the stability of wired connections.
Exclusives:
Xbox360: I love halo 3! out of the 60 games I own about 30 each console this one is played nearly once a day.
PS3: I love me some SOCOM: Confrontation! Played about once a day.
(I hear Crysis 2 is planed for both consoles and I personally think it will only be as good as the first two if its on PC)
Doesn’t the ipod patch from XBL (optional media update or whatever it is) add support for the ipod touch? I don’t know as I lack one, but it supports the older ipod varieties.
Silver,
It may not play all of these files perfectly, but I haven’t come across these problems myself so I couldn’t say.
It doesn’t matter what you say about faceplates – I think the 360 is an ugly console, but then again you aren’t a fan of the PS3′s aesthetics. I think you’re nitpicking over the size of the PS3 – you probably think I’m nitpicking about the power supply on the 360 – it’s all down to personal preference anyway.
The 360 isn’t dinky. The Wii is the only dinky console this gen.
As far as weight is concerned, what else are you going to compare them to except previous consoles. Again, I think the Wii is probably the only one that compares to previous gen consoles in that respect.
Devious,
I’m glad you haven’t had any problems with your 360, & I hope it carries on that way. The simple fact is that even now the 360 is not the most reliable console out there, although it is considerably better than it used to be.
Controls are personal preference, I like with the Dual Shock, but I get why people would prefer the 360 controller.
Quote ” xbox being too noisy? install the games! a lot quieter.
turn the volume up! much more exciting, sound drowned out, oh problem fixed!!!!”
Amazing how the 360 fanbase moans about the PS3 mandatory installs, & then uses 360 installs as a positive. If it works then fair enough on the install, but don’t moan about the PS3′s installs. What do you do if you want to watch a DVD on your 360, you can’t install that, or do you have to copy all of the files over to the hard drive (does that even work, & if it does, what a hassle). Or I could do you suggestion & turn the volume up….what if it’s 2 in the morning, & I don’t want to annoy the neighbours – that’s not problem solved, that’s create 1 problem to hide the original problem.
Quote “meh, enough said, i personally prefer the xbox to the ps3. but it is a matter of opinnion in most cases, but actual power-wise, they are almost equal. 360 just beats it by having more grpahics to play with, games really do need that these days.”.
It’s easier to get the good graphics out of the 360, & multiplatform games show this. I also agree that they are comparable in power, but please point me in the direction of a 360 exclusive either out now or coming out that is graphically better or even equal to the best that’s available on the PS3. Alan Wake & Forza 3 do look really really really good, but GT5, & Uncharted 2 look graphically superior, This is purely about graphics, doesn’t mean anything about how they’ll be as games.
I blame my love of homebrew movies and rare media only obtainable via the net I guess…
But yeah if you’re only gonna be playing commercial video, the PS3 should meet your needs as should the 360 for anything bar blu-ray.
The 360 is plenty dinky! It’s smaller than from the base of my hand to my elbow and my arm is thicker where the muscle is (even if my arm is half is half the width at the part joining the hand).
The Wii’s amazing. Unlike the PS3 and 360 it’s actually LIGHTER than most older consoles. I am truly amazed (not really) at the advancements here.
Devious, don’t worry about his remarks concerning reliability. Common knowledge that most 360 gamers are too busy playing their reliable consoles to come to the defence of them against PS trolls pretending to have 999 bricked 360s. I’m special cos I have my 360 next to my laptop, next to a TV and under a portable DVD player.
Oh and Kaden, I haven’t bitched about the noise in my 360s. Mine are near silent just as my PS3s are. My mate’s launch 360 though which I played heavily before getting my own was really, really loud but I’d say they’ve fixed that with different components or something in most newer revisions. I say most as I do have a friend whose word I trust who told me his new red 360 was still making enough noise to be noticable.
I can’t comment on Alan Wake and Uncharted 2 due to not seeing so much footage but Forza 3 actually seemed kind of better visually to me than gt5. I’ve only seen low quality web vids thus far, but I could even see cracks in the road in Forza 3′s actual gameplay footage while the people’s hair that was visible in gt5 looked rather last gen. Yeah they’ll both look great when they come out I reckon, but so far Forza 3′s the one impressing me.
@silver:
at first, i dont need linux oO or do you mean linux on the host-pc? i have just vista with t-versity. it makes my PC a mediaserver (also possible with WMP) which can be used wireless by my PS3. and what t-versity also does, it converts all files ON THE FLY while its streaming. so as long as i have the codecs on my pc, t-versity will convert it and my PS3 will play it. thats all. and also my sound is really good. going with an optical to a 5.1. HDMI would be better but most TrueHD sounds are only in english and not german. so again no problem.
what is a mediacentre to you? normaly it is a barebone (little pc) with windows media version. u mean a normal rig that…what? do you BURN all your files and put it in there? lol
and for your PS3. it seems broken :( it beeps when u turn it on and turn it off. thats all. NO beepin while running. and also it IS quiter. its almost unhearable. maybe somethings wrong with the automatic ventcontroll :(
btw: who cares about the weight of a console?? its no LAN-PC whatever. put it where it belongs and thats it :D furthermore i think the PS3 looks a bit better when you place it on the small side. so the disc entrance is vertical. :)
oh and to the dude saying there no difference between bluray and DvD:
get a better TV or some good movies! oO crank for example looks awesome or transformers.
Silver,
The noise remark was aimed at Devious, as were the comments about the graphics, but on that subject….
I have seen hi-def trailers for GT5, Forza 3, Uncharted 2, & Alan Wake. The thing that struck me about Forza was how good the backgrounds looked. The GT5 trailer I’ve seen was a little short, & it’s the cars that stand out as superior – there hasn’t been enough background shots in trailer to actually make a judgement on that one. Alan Wake also looked very impressive, especially the lighting. It’s a bit silent hill meets resident evil 5 to me.Uncharted 2 looks absolutely amazing from what I’ve seen. None of these games will have anything to be ashamed of when they come out, & there’s really not a great deal in it as far quality is concerned. Everyone can be happy.
I will also state that I agree with Robert, the PS3 should only beep when you turn it off or on, & not all the time. Either you’ve got a setting wrong somewhere or it needs looking at. Trust you to be the one with a dicky PS3 eh!
I also agree that the PS3 looks better stood up, It takes it away from that George Foreman look a bit + it wouldn’t fit on the shelf it’s on if it was flat (I never actually said it was small, a 360 wouldn’t fit without being upright either). The Wii of course fits, with shed loads of space to spare.
Prazon,
I can easily tell the difference between Blu-Ray & upscaled DVD on 40″ Samsung 720p television both running from the PS3. If you were using an SD-TV then I could understand that comment, but on hi-def Blu-Ray is a definitely superior.
It don’t beep all the time. But the fact that I can’t make it not beep (without voiding the warrenty anyways) bugs me. Either way my 360s make around the same amount of background noise as my PS3s, both fairly quiet, both noticeably louder than my Wii.
As for your shelves comment, there are more shelves that would fit a 360 horizontally OR vertically than would fit a PS3. Yours mightn’t, but then some people’s shelves might be so rediculously tiny they don’t even take a Wii. Like a spice rack shelf!
And I support the last paragraph. Unless you have the vision of a half blind mole rat, displaying even full D1 DVDs (720 × 576) on a 720p screen (1280×720) will make things slightly less clear. Upscaling generally minimises this (and I’ve heard on some players it looks near as good as a full res blu ray) but nothing will give a DVD the clarity of a blu ray disc on a screen that far removed from the resolution of the DVD. But then I don’t use my gaming consoles for general media use anyways so moot point for me. :/
On another note, I didn’t notice it here, but I found it funny that a lot of people who cite PS3 over PC for conveniance also conveniantly bitch that console exclusives aren’t exclusive. Makes me chuckle.
Last time I checked, shelves were made in standard sizes. I don’t think there’s any specially designed to hold 360′s or PS3′s. We kinda didn’t pick the floating shelves we’ve got with a games I didn’t have at the time in mind. Guess I just got lucky.
I’d only say the PS3 was more convenient than a PC if you didn’t have a PC. It’s definitely easier if you’re not very tech savvy to game on a console (any console) rather than something running Windows.
The only thing I find funny about the exclusive argument is when people stating a game that’s on a PC & a 1 console is an exclusive. Agent is coming out on PS3 & PC – it’s not a PS3 exclusive. Fable was on xbox & PC – not an xbox exclusive.
Well, that’s my opinion anyway.
also when they said exclusive they ment console exclusive which includes Wii, PS3, and Xbox 360
Did I say The Agent, I think I meant Agency – keep getting those two confused – silly me.
I agree. Although I think PS3 has better exclusives in my opinion.
I really do agree with this article but I Personally LOVE the XBOX 360 interface so much better (note) I have a ps3 not an xbox but everyone I know has an xbox. But the ps3 I FIND has a much stronger solid playable base, but as stated, Blu-Ray is almost pointless but do know this.. there is LOTS of options such as SO many smoothing and quick and easy effects you can do to normal dvds and games, but overall, I WOULD OF GOT AN XBOX 360 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 132 PS2 GAMES IS KINDA HARD TO SWITCH…So im happy im ok just overall get an xbox LOL unless your like me, tons of previous games, no point in switching and trust me you will be some-what satisifed with the ps3
I just have a few things to say, first off the graphics between the two are virtually the same i dont see how you guys can say one is better than the other when they made to be exactly the same! Also as far as PSN vs XBL its obvious XBL has more features but are they really neccesary? I mean I understand critisizing lagging but when you have lag on either of them (PSN or XBL) its obvious somebody you are playing with has bad connection dont blame the server if its you crap connection please. Also XBL seems like too much of an investment i mean if you are worried about the price of the PS3 you dont realize that the PS3 has a built in wireless adapter and to get one for the 360 it will cost you an extra $100 and $50 for a year online. So think about that next time you compare a $399 PS3 to a $299 360 plus $150 for XBL, and you also pay $50 a year for those cards so it adds up in the end penny pinchers. I also would like to say if there was any reason to get a 360 over a PS3 it would probably be the exclusives but that is old news now that the PS3 demonstrated some awesome stuff at E3 as well as 360… but im really only looking forward to Halo: Reach. And what is all the hype behind Natal its just a PSEye copy that is half as accurate. I had to point all of this out because this article is very biased and im not saying mine wasn’t but at least i was fair about it.
“i dont see how you guys can say one is better than the other when they made to be exactly the same!”
LOL! They’re not nearly the same. Unless you mean the graphics in the game ported from one console to another rather than the graphics hardware itself. And even then they’re not the same.
XBL’s extra features…
Hmm… Lesse…. More ways to communicate with people while playing multiplayer, more game DLC, more arcade games….
Yeah, they’re everything a gamer could want. You get the other shit too, but it’s just a bonus. If I want high quality media I’ll buy a hardcopy as streaming don’t do me and I value hdd space.
And no, Natal is just a PSEye copy that’s ten times as accurate and just as useless for any game worth playing. I guess the ability to speak to it could come in handy for shortcuts or something, but if it’s up to par with most voice recognition technology I’ve messed with, chances are I’d want to kick it when it starts playing a movie after I asked it to play a game. Who knows though, I could be surprised.
Actually, this article as about as UNbiased as any I’ve seen on the net. It’s a well thought out, logical assesment of both consoles at the time it was written. Your arguments, on the other hand, are horrible biased or at the very least inaccurate with regards Xbox Live. Why the hell do you think you need a wireless adaptor to use it? I’ve been using both consoles and PC’s for on-line gaming for years and I’d never want to do so over wireless. The 360 has a nice ethernet port built in and it should really be used if you’re planning on going on-line for gaming purposes. Same applies to the PS3 by the way.
As for the cost of the live service, the benefits it brings especially in terms of communication and, most importantly, a unified service across all games and the dashboard is WELL worth it. I personally own both consoles but the 360 is, by far, the dominant one as far as gaming is concerned. The PS3 has actually become my media centre which, with a 1Tb USB drive attached, it’s doing spectacularly well. But the 360 has the better catalogue of games and tends to suffer far less in the multi-platform stakes.
man have u guys seen the ps3 magic wand things i swear they look like sex toy to me.
i can wait for it to come out it seems pretty cool.
while natal i dont know will it really live up to the trailers of it i mean seems a bit far fetched for me. also is some of the things shown really necessary
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I just re-read my last posts, & I think I was having a seizure at the time. Dunno what happened to my grammar, but there seems to be a distinct lack of sentences…whoops.
I don’t care how accurate Natal is, as I’m really not bothered for motion control. I may end up being pleasantly surprised by the odd game using Sony’s strange sex toy looky thing (thank God it’s a prototype, & not the release look)….but I’m not holding my breath.
If you can hit Milo (virtually) using Natal & he has bruise/cut physics built in, & if he heals in real time then that alone could be worth getting a 360. I think Milo looks like an annoying little prick, & I’d want to smack every single day. Maybe I need anger management classes, or a Milo punchbag.
PS3 & 360 owners seem to have real trouble agreeing on the whole being charged for xbox live thing. I suppose if you use the extra features then it’s worth it, if you don’t then you’re wasting your money. People generally seem to find it easier to pay for something in installments rather than pay the extra upfront (like the extra cost of a PS3) even if it ends up costing them more in the long run.
I think it’s more about perceived cost than actual cost. Even though I think the PS3 is worth all of it’s 290 Queens finest English punds (yes, that was intentional), it has a perceived cost above what some people find comfortable. A financial mental barrier if you like.
Is anyone else confused by that last post advising us to check out the latest article that happens to be this article, & a link that belongs to a much older 2007 article?
For me I think it’s an ‘I know I’m paying more but it’s the service I use most and I love the conveniance of playing 90% or more of my games on the one console thing’. One of the 360′s greater strengths is the quality of it’s downloadable games both singleplayer and multiplayer. And if I’m doing the equivalent of grinding in a game then it’s great to just start a random party while in the middle of gameplay with a few people I know who also grind/achievement whore enough to not mind some conversation.
On another note I’ve heard Australia has had a few sporadic bursts of new xbox sales and in some places I’ve noticed it’s driven the 360′s price up to the point where an elite can cost more than an 80gb PS3. Reminds me of the wii actually. Relatively cheap back when no-one was playing them, but when they became popular the price increased to $100 more than a 360 arcade. It’s staying at that price too.
I agree kaden101
After you include all the extras for an Xbox 360 it almost worth as much as a ps3. So therefore i do not a gree with the xbox being cheaper. IN Addition I don’t really see how the online gaming is much better. The only thing i notice from having both consoles is that for some games there are a lot more people playing still. in this instance i play call of duty online on my Ps3 there is quite a few people that play but when i played it on xbox live there is a massive amount of people playing. Other than that i dont see how its thats much better.
Although Xbox has a few Good points there are also many bad points. from personal experience I’ve had my disk drive break and red ring of death.
ps3 has had no problems and no not every game has to be installed on to the hdd I have a few great games that don’t need installs.
Finally you guys are aware that even though a console can handle 1080 p doesn’t mean they actually make the game to 1080 p. I can rarely tell the graphics between Xbox and ps3s the only time i actually see the difference is from an Xbox to ps3 port.
Almost as much? Try a good deal more.
I’d know as I own both and love my peripherals…
And I have a tendancy to buy everything available to me whether or not I’ll use it much. :/
Online experience? I’m not talking the number of people playing (though there always seems to be more on XBL [unfortunately that also includes whiney adolescents who get games rated above their age however they do it]) but rather the other stuff. Both have games you can download and play off the hard drive? Yeah but XBL has a MUCH bigger selection as well as some exclusives I’ve had more fun with than retail titles. Both allow gamers to communicate via headsets? The 360 allows you more options there including the ability to talk to people playing something else from midgame if you desire it. Media? I couldn’t honestly care but I’ve heard by the end of the year XBL will have 1080 streaming videos available (and Australia will finally be able to grab videos if anyone here is actually into that kind of thing).
And don’t get me started on the ease of hosting a game and even inviting more players in while you’re playing. Nothing similar on the PS3.
As for your 360 disc drive problems, apart from the scratch problem a lot of people got a while back the PS3′s blu ray player has failed more often including the better part of some ‘fruity batches’ of which I bought one. Unlucky me, eh? And at least my 360 always recognises my harddrive. Yeah it’s an easy problem to fix, but it’s still a bit annoying nontheless, especially when you have the PS3 in a cabinet with the cables fed through a hole in the back or a similar setup.
Also we all know about the installs. It’s only when something pushes the hardware even a little that it usually needs the mandatory install. A few games like Killzone 2 had their tracks optimised for optimal reads, but what when the bar gets pushed more higher? Either you’re gonna need to send your PS3s in to get a faster disc drive in OR welcome back mandatory installs.
Silver,
The fact that you keep trying to make the xbox 360 hardware in some way seem more reliable than the ps3 is just laughable, for instance i’ve had two xbox 360s fail on me, a wireless adapter thats no longer works and finaly a xbox elite controler that turns itself of when it wants. Do you want to know whats gone wrong on my ps3? i tell you, NOTHING!, nothing at all. The xbox 360 wouldbe a great console if only it was built to last, The ps3 may of had some bad batches but nothing on the scale of xbox 360. I’ve been playing games since the 16bit consoles and i,ve never felt there has been a more badly built console than the 360. The new jasper motherboards in the new xbox 360s may have fxed these problems but only time will tell, in my opinion if microsoft done its research and development properly berfore the console was released this would of never of happened.
Dan,
I have mentioned that my failing PS3 was from a fruity batch. I’d imagine most people would get the message that my PS3 was a minority console. However though more 360s do fail than PS3s which is more or less fact, more disc drives go on PS3s than 360s.
I’m just estatic that myself and most people I know IRL have never had an RRoD. Oh a few have which does suck balls for them, but it’s nowhere near the amount some say. Or maybe MS is using other countries as guinea pigs to make sure Australian 360s are superiorly made? ROFLMFAO (We all know how much the gaming world loves Australia)
And since the 16bit console age? I don’t suppose you remember the original US NES, right? You know, the one with the front-loading zero insertion force (ZIF) cartridge socket? My god those were unreliable until you modified the console (gold pinds ftw!). I’ve enjoyed gaming on consoles BEFORE what is commonly referred to as the 16bit age. Hell few things beat the classics on an Atari 2600 with the stock joystick after a long day of work…
Though like most consoles worth playing, even the Atari had it’s drawbacks.
Silver,
I have done some looking around on bad ps3 drives and yes it seems there have been a few problems, but also looking at bad xbox 360 drives it seems the problems are greater such as disc scratching and drive doors not openiong properly (this happened to friend of mine), just type them both into google and see for yourself.
Yes I do remember the nes but even now, its still possible to find one in good working order. I My first console was a Sega Mega Drive (great days!) but i,ve had most systemsms over the years, even a Sinclair spectrum, remember those, (them bloody tape cassettes) 128k of raw power lol.
Dan,
I did mention disc scratching on older xboxes I believe (even said it occured a lot which I believe to be true as I’ve seen it a few times), but with scratching the drive still worked, it was just you couldn’t move your console while playing, and really who moves their console while playing purposely?
And yes, the 360 does have a higher mention of drive doors failing than the PS3. Curious as to why? Well, look for a drive door on the PS3 and tell me if you find one. :/
How many 360 DVD drives have actually failed to read discs compared to those of the PS3? See that’s the problem with adapting disc technology too early. The PS2 had some issues with it’s DVD player for much the same reasons and I’ve heard the PS3 may even encounter more failures disc drive related. YAY!
It’s still possible to find arcade cabinets more than three decades old in relative condition so I don’t see why there can’t be NES systems in good condition. Personally I keep my original NES for nostalgia but I also have a later top loading model. And if there are consoles from years ago that had known problems, what’s to say the same won’t be said for the 360? I mean really, the NES absolutely thrashed it’s competition at the time regardless of any problems (even though a good deal of that was likely the monopoly they held for a while).
Silver,
Having a original backwards compatable ps3 I’m aware it does not have a disc tray but neither does the wii so why does the xbox 360? Theres probably more moving parts to go wrong in the ps3 disc loading mechanism but it seems reliable. As for the disc scratching drives, it’s such a big problem that microsoft offered disc replacments and here in the uk, it even featured on the bbc tv programe watchdog. Although the drive still works what good is that if the game doesn’t. I myself have only scratched one game for my xbox 360 and i’ll admit i did knock the console but it was only a tap, believe me it don’t take much. Maybe if the games had a hard coat on the disc like blu rays they would’nt scratch so easy.
On a slightly different subject does anyone know if you can get a xbox 360 fixed or replaced if you don’t have a Receipt, ironically my cuz got rrod, feeling guilty as i recommended he get one. It’s only 19 months old so should be covered by the 3 year warranty.
Whilst moving the console while it’s on is a sure fire way of screwing up your discs, I’ve pointed out before that you don’t have to move some 360′s to get scratched discs. Vibrations from people moving around he room has been known to do this, especially games like Rock Band when you’re using your plastic drum kit, or bouncing round the room doing your best plastic air guitar (not my things, but hey everybody to their own). I’m not saying this happens on a lot of 360, probably just a small percentage.
I do agree that you’re always going to find good examples of old tech, & did hear about the old Nintendo cartridge slot problems – that seems like so long ago now. Didn’t affect me as I never had anything until my fiance got the Wii (on that front, I’ll finally be able to call her my wife or the missus,from October 19th).
I got the impression that the main problems with the DVD drive on the PS2 was the same as the CD drive on the PS1. People had them chipped & it caused the drive to run constantly & it wore motors & lasers out. That may have been a rumour, but it was certainly a persistent one.
Dan,
more moving parts does generally mean there’s more chance of something one day dying so your hypothesis is likely correct. I’m not exactly sure how many moving parts a slot loading drive has as opposed to one with a disc tray though so I couldn’t say for sure. Obviously both have some mechanism, the 360′s drive has a slot with gears that open it and the PS3 somehow sucks it out of my fingers like my Wii does. But I haven’t opened one up to see yet… Now I’m curious enough to possibly buy another PS3 and see… =D
On the same note I feel that PS3s might start dying earlier than many previous consoles did. While the construction job does seem superior to the 360, it does have a load of moving parts with very small components from what I’ve heard. But that’ll make a good working PS3 all the more valuable years from now when most have carked it!
Concerning MS customer support, I think it depends on your region but they’re very good over here. One of mine died due to a friend dropping my new half a wall sized TV on top of it and I found out later MS would still replace it. And those few friends whose 360s did RRoD have all been able to get replacements regardless of where they lay in the warrenty scheme of things.
Kaden,
Good point about that. I think most of those problems were for people of certain countries though so it might be some bad batches OR one particular model of disc drive used as there have been 5 or 6 from the best of my knowledge. I think it was the Netherlands or some other European country, but I recall it being widespread somewhere. :/
I heard it was an easy fix too, so it was just sloppy of MS. Saved a couple cents not using some elastic bands or something…
And though the chip may have been a problem in some PS2s, the problems were often associated with older models, those that were produced before a certain point in time that any issues had been resolved. I’m not sure about PSXs though, they’re an entirely different kettle of fish.
Nice article. I bought an arcade 360 just over a year ago. Recently discovered Live! It’s now a whole new console. Normally I am the 1st person to buy a Sony console but for some reason I can’t buy the PS3. My favourite games (Tekken and Metal Gear Solid) no longer exclusive so what’s the point. I thought free online gaming sounded cool but when broken down it doesn’t seem to compare! Still. Blu-ray and games… It’s a hard decision!
I have never played a PS3 so I am kinda biased here. PS2 beat the XBOX hands down. Microsoft learned from that and look at the result!
I guess I’m just waiting for Sony to bring out something (gimicks work for me) that makes the PS3 worthwhile. So far the Killzone 2 bundle is catching my eye but I don’t think it’s enough!
Metal Gear Solid 4 might always be exclusive to PS3.
It’s worth getting a PS3 for the few good games that aren’t on both consoles if you can spare the money.
I’m glad to finally see a decent conclusion to this debate. For sometime now my view is that they are on a par, both with their pro’s and con’s. I agree that initially the XBOX 360 was vastly superior. I’ve played on both of them and there is things i like about both of them. Unfortunatly there are still a lot of XBOX 360 owners who still think the XBOX 360 is vastly superior who need knocking of their high horses. One last thing that i have noticed is that while a lot XBOX 360 owners insist the XBOX 360 is better, a lot of PS3 players see the pro’s and con’s to each console. Although they may think the PS3 is better they tend not to get on such high horses may be only ponies and donkeys their smaller relatives. This is only something i’ve noticed, how universally true it is i don’t rightly know. Their are some equally cocky PS3 owners that fact i’m certain of.
Fatigue,
I find it hard to believe that you actually think that the XBOX360 was initially vastly superior to the PS3, if you are referring to the online or the games I can agree that initially the software was better for the XBOX, having said that it did have a years head start over it’s competitor. However if you are comparing the hardware and/or the consoles then I find your statement unbelievable, how can you possibly make this claim bearing in mind that the failure rate of the Xbox was at a minimum of 33%, some claiming it was as high as 60% or even more.
If your analysis is correct and that both consoles are now on a par with each other, am I to assume that you feel the XBOX has somewhat deteriorated in recent times, because I am not aware of any recent inclusions in the PS3 console’s hardware. I do not wish to split hairs, but feel your post albeit just an opinion is very inaccurate in as much as it seems to imply that the PS3 console was rubbish at the outset whereas to be perfectly honest it was more the other way round, if, as I stated previously you were referring to the software, then you may well have a point,but if that is the case I feel you should make this clear in your post.
I am a PS3 owner I am not on a high horse, neither, am I on a donkey, and yes, I do believe
the PS3 console is, and always has been superior to the Xbox, and if you feel the need to respond to my comments I would be more than happy to tell you why.
I’d think he means the gaming experience rather than the hardware itself. I mean seriously, launch PS3s were awesome. Too bad newer revisions have lost several features…
The PS3 wasn’t rubbish at the outset, it just sucked for gaming. At the outset it played PSX and PS2 games crappier than a PS2 does and for quite some time it had bugger all good games. But hey, at least it could play your blu-rays or be used as an almost decent linux desktop.
I have all newer consoles and enjoy the view from atop my high elephant, and I wonder why you believe the PS3 is superior to the 360, especially if you have experienced both. So I’ll call you on your last line. Why?
So you think he means the gaming experience,.. right,… so thats okay then, you say launch PS3′s WERE awesome does that mean you think otherwise now? Of course I can use it as an ALMOST decent linux desktop or I can watch my blueray discs, something you can’t do on the XBOX, I came across this site whilst using my PS3, something else you can’t do on the 360, so there are 3 of the reasons why I think the PS3 is the superior console.
Now I’ve not come on here to write a book on the differences of the two consoles neither do I want to belittle the 360, I’m just responding to your question. I have limited experience of the 360 mainly through friends machines and observation and information gained from this and other sites around the internet.
First off I think the the PS3 is aesthitcally more pleasing, the piano black mirror finish sits very nicely with my hdtv, it must be popular, as most every modern tv has this finish, do you not agree? Disc scratching is still an issue it’s happened to a friend of mine twice recently, and he wasn’t moving the console around when it happened,also failure rate, even today it seems to be happening too frequently compared to the PS3. Then theres the BRICK,no WIFI, AA batteries for the controller, disk tray loading, noisy fans all seems a bit old hat. As for the innards from most everything i have seen on the internet where I assume you obtain most if not all of your information the PS3 seems to come across as the most powerful of the two consoles you know terraflops blah,blah…,
Just one example of this (is it true you tell me?) is that a dvd disc holds 9 gigs 2 of which are reserved for security, MGS4 used Virtually a full 50gig bluray disc, it was said that if this game were to be ported to the XBOX at least a further 2gigs of each dvd would have to be reserved for what is known as redundant assets, which would leave just 5 gigs on each disc, therefore to put MGS4 on the Xbox you would need at least 10 discs, which would be ridiculous amount of discs to load, and this brings me to my main point, I believe that the Xbox has become a hindrance to multiplatform game developers they are restricted to a disc that holds just 9gigs, which makes the games we play less graphical and/or shorter.
I have played on the 360 and would say the graphics are very good and a few of the games are excellent but I believe the XBOX is the poor relation when compared to the PS3. I have not compared the online or the games thats another issue which I believe is now, at the very least on a par with the XBOX , and with regard to
PS2 games I’m quite happy to play them on my PS2,although I very rarely touch it nowadays. You maybe sat on an elephant, I’m sat on a chair,..bet I’m more comfortable than you are!
I do think otherwise. I *love* the launch PS3 I had to win in an auction as the features are just that much better. With the new PS3s I’m literally forced to use virtual memory cards for older games, am actually forced to hook up my PS2 to play PS2 games (and there are much better games on the PS2 than PS3 gameplaywise) and don’t have the cool memory card reader meaning if I want to get media from such things I need to plug in a USB one. Which is the other thing that sucks. THEY TOOK OUT USB PORTS AFTER REMOVING OTHER FEATURES WHICH MAKE YOU REQUIRE MORE USB PORTS TO GAIN THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY! What kind of genius was behind that one?
My point is this. Can you watch your blu rays, web surf or use your PS3 as a linux box while you’re playing games? It sounds like you’re after a swiss army device and even if the PS3 don’t do it as well as some stand alone devices will, you’re after one unit that does it all moderately well. I’ve always found a 360, media centre that plays blu ray discs and laptop with a few large LCD screens beats the PS3 for me. I can do more things at the same time and aren’t forced to stop my gaming to watch media or surf the web.
Personally I hate my consoles looking like a george foreman grill with Spiderman font. It’s funny how different people find different things aesthetically pleasing. I’ve got a more twisted view and find an artistic faceplate, white 360, black hard drive, red controller and other peripherals in whatever other colours tends to suit me well.
I only know of one mate here to have a disc scratched (and frankly pretty much everyone down here owns a 360, so there’s been a fair few) and he’d had his xbox knocked over by someone which was when it started chewing on discs.
Brick? Yeah. A ton of my electrical devices have them. As long as you can put them behind something like a massive LCD monitor you’re fine and they make the actual console a deal smaller. No WIFI? You can buy an adapter. But why would you? Any real gamer knows a wired connection is more stable for gaming. My 360 came with the required cable, neither PS3 did. AA Batteries? You can buy plug and play kits with a rechargable battery that can charge with the supplied USB cable as you play. No-one I know is stupid enough to just keep buying batteries, same with those who play the Wii. Disc tray loading? At least we can remove discs fairly easily when the console dies. With the PS3 it can be a lot harder, trust me on that. And why is it a real disadvantage anyway? Noisy fans? Yeah a few revisions ago. I mean seriously, my couple years old elite was dead silent and my newer pro is quieter still. My PS3s both make about the same white noise, bugger all.
As for the innards, both have multiple cores that can’t co-operate properly with the 360 being better able (look into how much of the ‘potential’ the PS3 can actually tap with it’s cores the way they are), the PS3 does have a higher capacity media but unfortunately it sacrifices a lot of speed unless the disc is properly optimised which has only occured a small handful of times. This in turn puts a limit on what the machine can get at any one time and imposes a limit on the PS3′s abilities that otherwise would not have been there. Do you want me to go into the GPUs of each console? Because the 360 wins there too. Look it up on a site that goes into the tech specs rather than just saying one has better graphics because they want it to.
And yeah, you’re right, disc space (and read speeds for that matter) can limit a game’s potential. Good thing there are full version games being downloadable via a net service. If things keep going further in that direction, perhaps one day there’ll be online exclusives doing things disc based gmes couldn’t do. Both consoles are capable of it. Hell, I think the PSP Go will be playing only downloaded games and that offers a lot of advantages developers could potentially reap the rewards of.
I own both a PS3 and an Xbox and these days a better Xbox can cost more than a midrange PS3. If you include a ton of peripherals the 360 IS the more expensive one. As I look at it, the 360 is the rich man’s gaming console so long as you’re willing to splash the cash. If you’re so cheap that an all in one solution appeals to you, a PS3 is awesome.
I honestly have a slim PS2 hooked up more often than I do my PS3. Say what you want but the PS3′s library has nothing on the PS2′s especially RPGwise.
And literally speaking I’m sitting in a comfortable executive leather chair with all kinds of bells and whistles. It’s pretty damn comfortable.
I like to keep thing simple,… just get both of them. oops, I just got the rrod AGAIN!
all I’d like to say is thankyou ^^ I already prefer the 360 because I like online gaming, and this will definitely help me find the better console for my friends. Also you should’ve mentioned the 3rd party fans you can replace for the 360 from 11 to 80 bucks that are a lot quieter because if someone already has a 360 and hates the noise I’m sure they’d like to know about the fans (I don’t mind the noise personally, I can block out white noise easily, but I can understand that some people can’t)
i used to be an xbox 360 fan had one the day it came out. a year later it was broke, so i bought an elite 11 months later it broke e74 or something i got it fixed. 3 months later its broke again. i love halo and i was really looking forward to the new one coming out but im not paying money to get a console fixed that i bought in good faith. so i bought a ps3 it cant be as easily broken as the xbox
same thing happened to me kalojak
i personnaly think that they are both the same but the difference is that theres more xbox users and also the online is better im not an xbox fan ive got a ps3 but im getting an xbox for its online but when the next consoles come out i would go for the ps4 because it will have put the game makers to be able to use the power of the cell but for now go for xbox for its online !
So, I’d like to submit my opinion which i think is a common opinion shared by many games. I’m not a hardcore console player (Yes I’m ashamed to say World of Warcraft occupies my gaming time) I still enjoy just sitting down and playing a console whithout any pressures or stress. Since i have recently upgraded to a beutiful new Sony HDTV I am now thinking about which new console to get. I have had many of the old consoles, and I would say PS2 was better then Xbox. As my friends say ” the quality on yout tv looks better then real life) so i’m sure both of them will be fine in terms of graphics. I have played first and to use the cliche argument i do enjoy XBlive more then the online for ps3. Although playing blurays would look awsome on this tv, i am not willing to buy or even rent them as i just dvr movies of HBO and am looking forward to streaming from Netflix. Although the many reports of RROD worry me i dont think it will stop me from getting a 360 which i think will be my final choise. I like the online and most of my friends have 360′s so i will have fun playing with them. There are always warrantied to cover breakage and such and quite honestly i see no advantage to a ps3 other then reliability and RROD fear for 360. I want a game system to play beutiful hd video games other forms of entertainment i will attain in other ways so that aspect of a ps3 is not a selling point for me even though honestly Sony is probably my favorite electronics company. (when shopping for my new tv a month back i didn’t even look at other companies) So to summarize even though it was fun to watch u guys nerdraging the average gamer wants one thing… to play games and to have fun doing it . Both consoles deliver that but XBL and the xbox interface (seriously not that hard to figure out like many people said) are very appealing to me. I still have not fully decided but im leaning 90% towards xbox honestly the only argument ive seen used over and over is scary RROD but that’s what a warranty is for. But i would like some feedback on this
(P.S. try to hold back on the nerd raging)
to Mike
look RROD is likely to come one the old xbox360 model, even if you have one of them you need to do small thing, leave it in open area not in closed shelf, or you can modded like how I done my one plus many people to avoid the risk of getting one, but if you getting the new one, just don’t worry about it!
PS3 have less noise then xbox360, about me noise is not a problem for me!
the new ones have HDMi port in the back! the old one don’t.
You realize Netflix is going on the PS3 very, very soon? Yes this is inside information, but I don’t care.
If you don’t believe me, just wait :)
My firm opinion (Owner of an Xbox 360, waiting for my PS3 in the mail) is that for the time being yes the Xbox is better, but like all of Sony’s attempts they end up on top, but they don’t start on top.
That might be true as i said befora i love Sony, but quite honestly i only liked the ps2 over the xbox because it had a lot more different and interesting games and that’s what the 360 has now and i know i know people will argue that xbox had a headstart but still they just offer a wider spectrum of games at the moment and that’s very attractive to me
This is a very good article. I myself have a ps3 and i love it. I have not encountered any problems with it at all. It works smoothly for the most part even though it does freeze sometimes but VERY RARELY! Its like any other computer and it gets stuck sometimes. My friend has a 360 and I have played on it a couple times and i guess its OKAY…The ps3 (i think personally) has higher quality games. Not in the sense of graphics but the in the amount of work put into it. Im not saying that 360 is all bad games. Ther are very good ones like Halo and Gears of War. Its just that Microsoft pops out games like the Dugger family pops out kids. All in all I think the ps3 has much more potential than the 360. HAVE YOU SEEN THE GRAN TURISMO 5 GRAPHICS!!!! THEY ARE CRAZY GOOD!!!! That is the ps3 really using the goodies it was born with!
the thing is…. I had the PS3 and now I am with the xbox360, since I was 7 years old I owned nothing but a PlayStation they are the best! but this days I am not sure what’s wrong with them, they have the worst online gaming experience ever, LAGY….. and for no reason you get D.C. form PSN:S. the games are way bigger then the 360, even if they are the same titles (GTA IV will prove you I am right) but you cant play the game without installing it in your PS3, not like the 360 (drop and play!)
in the end xbox is gaming system but, PS3? just a multimedia player, and that’s what I DONT need
Have tried to remain faithful to the xbox, but after the 3rd (last month) red rings of death, I’m moving on. PS3 blue ray helps the decision, but the 360 has in my view been much more aggressive with marketing, social networking, game production and pricing.. Oh, and if anyone moves overseas (like me in Europe) from US, netflix and xbox movies won’t work, you have to open a new xbox live account in your region and get specific avail content… and you can’t buy any european games, best to buy one over here.
I like the 360 because of its games (i really like halo), online play, and all my friends have 360′s. another thing to note is that i already have a blue-ray.
i own all the systems so I can get the best of all 3 worlds. That being said, the 360 gets about 85% of my playing time.
I have a PS3 and my brother has an X-box and honestly I prefer my PS3 I think it looks so much better and the smaller controllers are so much more comfortable and come with rechargeable batteries also the PS3 controllers have the six axis which is fun to use on games such as killzone 2 where you hold your controller still to hold your breath when sniping. I would suggest that this report is slightly bias towards the 360 as it is obvious on the report that there are more liked exclusives on PS3 but the report failed to mention it. I’m looking forward to reading you try to make the 360 sound better when the game designers actually take advantage of the PS3′s better processor.
I think you should have included a report on the controllers as well.
hey thanks alot for publishing this article, it helped alot and will influence my decision on buying a console
This is my opinion
GAMES:
Some of the best games i know are LittleBigPlanet (PS3) Gears Of War (360) MGS4 (PS3) Call of Duty 4 & 5 (Both) Halo 3 (360) Resistance (Both) and Fallout 3 (Both). In case you worked it out, they’re even. My pesonal favorites are LittleBigPlanet and Call of Duty 5 which i have for the ps3 but i have played it xbox as well. I prefered PS3, and they all seem btter on ps3.
Winner: Playstation
GRAPHICS:
As long as it’s clear enough to know whats going on, they don’t really matter. A game highly devoted to graphics is a waste of time. No winner.
SELL RATE:
A clear win for the 360. They had a head-start, but even so, sold a great amount in the first month.
Winner: Xbox
RELIABILITY:
Another obvious win. The dreaded RED RINGS cursed peoples 360s (including me) to an early death. Nothing like this for PlayStation. So far.
Winner: Playstation
PRICE:
As far as I know, a standard 360 can be purchased for £129.99. A PS3? Unsure but I think it’s over £300. Mind you, in its first days, so was te 360. Might be a good idea to buy the Playstaion when they drop in price.
Winner: Xbox
OVERALL WINNER: As said above, there is no clear winner.If you just want to spend less, get a 360. If you want your console to last longer, get the PS3 etc. etc. etc.
On a side note, will sell rate make a console better? Not all of the time. If you believe that, you could say that PS3 wins. Personally, I prefer PS3. I will spak honestly though: if the 360 won this, then so be it. If you want family fun don’t pik 360 OR PS3. Pick a Wii. If you don’t want people pstering you saying” oh why you got ps3s they suk” or something like that, get a Wii instead.
Resistance is on both? O_o
I honestly thought it was a PS3 exclusive as that’s the only console I’ve seen it played on!!!!
And Fallout 3 totally plays better on the 360 even without the DLC.
Silver,
You’re right, Resistance is a PS3 exclusive. As for fallout 3, I’ve seen the screenshots, & yeah, they’re a wee little bit better. It’s actually one game I’m looking forward to the DLC arriving on the PS3, but I can’t see how it would “play better”. If it does, I’m curios how?
Elijah,
The PS3 costs less than £300, not much less though. Just because somebody says PS3 sucks doesn’t mean you should run to the shop & buy a Wii. My partner has a Wii, & although it’s a good little console, I’d never swap it for my PS3, no matter what anybody says.
It’s the little things. The PS3 version has seemed a little buggier at times (and I’m a total Falloutphile, Fallout 3 being my most played next gen console game) and the draw distance is also behind that of the 360. Personally I think it plays best on a decent spec PC (as many games do), but it definetely plays a bit better on the 360 than the PS3. And hell, there’s the DLC. Yeah, PS3 will get it. But PS3 gamers will have to wait while everyone else is completing it.
I’ve also heard a few people mention it ‘crashing’ on the PS3, though I’ve been lucky enough to have never experienced it myself. Might just be because I’ve only played 46 hours into my first game on PS3 while on both PC and 360 I have a few 100+ hour games locked in. Meh.
Why do I have three copies of the game? Well I really like it and figure the PC version might remain usable for a decent amount of time into the future and if I have it on both PS3 and 360, the next generation will hopefully have a successor that can run it via BC. lol
Haven’t seen it crash on the PS3 either. There was that GOAT thing, where the game didn’t progress after, but they fixed that rather sharpish with a patch. I didn’t notice any other bugs or draw distance issues, but I haven’t played the 360 version, just seen the screenys.
Curios, is that a word? Try Curious. Just want to know how the 360 version “plays better” than the PS3 version if you’re not talking DLC.
I got my 360 at the end of 2007 and have had nothing wrong with my 360. Sure i may have not had it that long but I dont play it more than three hours at a time. And another note its stationary 24/7 nothing has broken on it. I really do not know how something that sits there can break so easily? I have had the red ring once only because the power surged and the power went out and on real fast but i just shut the console down and it was just normal. For Ps3 i would get it if it had the money and the games were not so expensive. I dont hate on playstion but they really need to kick it into high gear for games. i know the ps3 is ment to last but when the xbox 720 comes out wont it be far superior. The fact is the microsoft has MONEY!!!!!! and they can afford to do everything that they do. So what they are doing is really smart. So the ps3 is ment to last forever that means they have put a limit to how many they can sell. think about this the max ps3 can sell if the ps3 last forever they can only sell six billion. if xbox 360 sold six billion and ps3 sold six billion. if the all those people have to buy another 360 just once thats another six billion units. and the ps3 what can they do nothing. plus the xbox live that is brilliant they are getting so much money so they can afford to make things better. say all half of those six billion has xbox live thats six billions times 50 a year. to the ps3 free online. The 360 just makes more money. if you say who is better it has to be microsoft if they are not genius’s and if we all were not so stupid then they would look like fools. but right now ill put my money on the bigger man. sorry sony you already solved my problem i was afraid of not being to play my beloved finaly fantasy but it seems you have turned a leaf and my hopefully star multi platforming that also. i thank you and congradts to their genius.
Microsoft is a genius for getting a bunch of fools to pay to play online. I have a car, house, and food to pay for, so I never liked the idea to buy a $299 Xbox, spend $100 on a wireless adapter, spend $60 to buy a new game, and then pay $50 a year just to PLAY the game online! In the long term, the PS3 is a better deal.
By the way, whoever says that the PS3 online is laggy and slow and that the PS3 is not for hardcore gamers should watch the gameplay for M.A.G. (a PS3 exclusive shooter game that feature 256 people online play with no lag).
I wonder why I didn’t see this in this article:
SCEA hardware marketing boss John Koller has claimed that upcoming multiplayer shooter MAG can only be built on PS3.
“If you look at that competitively, it’s something that’s only possible on PS3. The processor speed, the ability of PS3 to showcase 256 players at any given time, and their actions.”
and this about Heavy Rain (the upcoming exclusive for PS3):
Heavy Rain Director, David Cage, responds to question if Heavy Rain can be made on the Xbox 360.
“I think this game can only be done on Playstation 3. We used all the SPUs. I think to do the visuals, and all the stuff we’re doing would be too difficult [on the 360]. There are amazing physics there, and stuff with crowds that you just couldn’t really get.”
and this about killzone 2:
On the same issue of developing Killzone 2 on multiple platforms, Killzone 2 Producer Steven Ter Heide made the following comments: “I would say [It's] impossible. We literally can’t do this stuff on any machine other than the PS3.”
FF XIII will be multiplatform.
FF XIII Versus will PS3 exclusive and it will be absolute awesome!
But if they start making multiplatform Final fantasy i dont care. they only thing that would burst my bubble is if they remade any of the old ones for better graphics and made them only for ps3 then i would be upset at their loss of money.
I’d be interested in a remake of FFVIII, I loved that game. It can come out on the 360 if it wants, as long as I can get it on my PS3 I’m happy. I haven’t got a problem with multiplatform games. I do have a problem with multiplatform games that don’t use a system (any system) properly. A Final Fantasy game should be epic, & I don’t want to see one version cut back because of limitations on one of the platforms, or lazy porting techniques. If the 360 version can be better, then it should be, if the PS3 version can be better, then it should be, & the PC version should always be superior (technically). Prototype on the PC should have been so much better, but because it’s some horrible PS3/360 port it’s technically a bit rubbish. My opinion.
My opinion, go 360. More people have it, youre going to be playing with your friends more often. The xbox has games that really suit the system. I can get to anything i want on the xbox just by pressing one button. 50 bucks a year? For what you get out of it, i say it definently pays for itself. I have a PS3 myself. Hasnt done much but collect dust for quiiiite some time. Just buy a blu ray player and a 360 youll have everything you really need. PS3′s arent what GAMERS want.
Parker,
What one button is that then, & how does that one button know what you want access to at that particular time? Surely one button for everything has got to be limiting. Do you remember the old Kempston joysticks you plugged into speccy’s & C64′s when all the fire buttons did the same thing?, you had to have a keyboard to make the thing work.
I may be being pedantic, but I doubt you can just press on button to get everything (unless you have to press it 27 times, in which case give me lots of buttons anyday).
im a gamer and i also like the PS3 oO
a friend of mine had a XBox360. also lot of games and so on. 1 month after warranty ran out it broke. repair would have cost 100€ :/
so he sold the broken one and bought a PS3.
he says Xbox360 is good. but he also likes his PS3 very much. from the things what u can do with it AND the games. the games argument wont survive 2009 where a lot of good games come out for both consoles and for PS3 only :)
I’m totally missing something with the games argument I think.
The 360 has more games. Yeah, the PS3 will get more games in 2009. So will the 360.
Same will probably happen 2010, 2011 and so on until newer consoles arrive.
Either way the 360 has more games.
As long as both platforms have enough games coming out that you always have something good to play it doesn’t matter which one has the most titles. There’s plenty I’m looking forward to, but I’m not short of games to play on the PS3.
i personally would like it if they would combine all the pros or each system into one awesome f@$%ing console. ps3 plus a 360 pro. that way we would all be happy.
JUST TO ADD,YOU FEROGOT TO MENTION THAT ON THE 360 YOU CAN PLAY MUSIC WHILE PLAYING A GAME AND ON THE PS3 YOU CAN’T.IT’S NOT A BIG FEATURE JUST THOUGHT I’D PUT IT OUT THERE HA.
Actually you can; it’s game specific. Try again next time.
While I’ve never had a RRoD problem, I wouldn’t be too miffed if I did.
My friend got one, after a warranty had been up for about a year, he took it down to GameStop, and they took his old one, handed him a new one, and we were gone ina bout 2 minutes. They even gave him his old hard drive back.
I love my 360, and all the exclusive titles, but I also love the PS3′s controllers, and Killzone 2. I believe the online experience is much better on the 360, and more than worth the $50 dollars a year, which is why I chose my 360.
Whatever floats your boat, man.
I wanted to throw in my 2 cents here..
As an owner of both consoles I want to state that each systems has faults. The 360 obviously has the RROD and the ps3 has underpar porting. However graphics on any system does not diminish the amount of fun a game is. I would rather invest hours into a game that held my attention with story and depth, than one that had the best graphics. Graphics are becoming a staple for dev’s these days. It helps sells games and consoles. However I will make this statement that graphics should not drive a systems sales.
I personally enjoy the ps3 more than my 360. It seems every game that gets awesome reviews for 360 is a FPS, with the exception of Fable 2 and a few select titles for 360. The PS3 has a very diverse gaming library.But remember its about quality not quantity. Sure it has FPS as well, but LBP and MGS4 are leaps and bounds ahead in terms of fun factor and story line. Every system has thier “exclusive” titles that completely smash the competition. But Killzone 2 is probably the prettiest game I have ever played. I am 30 years old and have been playing since the days of the Atari. I owned basically every system short of a Turbo Graphics 16. Hell I even bought a 3DO and a jaguar when they came out… both bad investments.
Anybody looking for a console should understand that both systems have games that look great and convey emotions that one can only find after immersing your self into a game. Wether that is beating the Helgast, or killing Locusts in Gears of War.
Dont read these written statements and buy a 360 because everyone says that it is better, same for the ps3. Buy the system that you think is best for your play style.
And remember, not one side is better. The 360 is NOT better than the ps3, and the ps3 is NOT better than the 360.
about retro games and the playstation store… you said sony “occasionally adds the odd PS1 title”. its true that they offer very few retro titles, but there not just any ps1 games, there classics >.<
that being said, the xbox obviously wins when it comes to pretty much anything on-line.
My 360 LITERALLY broke overnight while it just sat there…Was playins sf4, went to bed, woke up and went to play it again, and it couldn’t read disks anymore. WTF? So I just sold it and bought a ps3. Problem solved. Would have cost me $100 to fix it…why would I pay $100 to fix it when it broke while it wasn’t even on?? I put up w/ the 360′s issues for 3 1/2 years…3 RRoD’s and that little disc reading situation…I’d had enough. I did love it while it lasted though.
Xbox just got Metal Gear Solid series.
its game over
all you have left is little big planet
Xbox: Halo, Gears, Fable,
PS3: Little Big Planet
haha its not contest anymore
You do know MGS2 was on the XBOX right?
MGS will be forever Sony. You guys just get a peak at what we’ve been gaming with for the last 10 years.
Killzone 2, Uncharted, LBP
The bar is raised to be honest.
You’re acting like this is the first time a MGS game has been released on an MS console. Though I was pro PS2 last gen, my mate had an original xbox at the time and it did have MGS2: Substance. Not sure if it had any other MG games, but it certainly had the one.
What I feel your argument should be is that MGS4 will remain a PS3 exclusive. That there alone is a good enough reason to grab a PS3. If you have the money and can get a new console fairly casually anyways.
MGS4 is certainly impressive, if a little out there at times. If MGS:Rising is half as good as MGS4 then PS3 & 360 owners are in for a treat.
Do what I did. Get both. Turns out I like Online gaming more than solo though so mostly my PS3 just sits there. Occasionally I bust it out for some resistance or to browse the web.
Not everyone encounters the oppurtunity to get both consoles though. The PS3 is relatively quite, allows Internet browsing, has defineable storage size to an extent and free online gaming. Don’t wanna play SF4 anymore? throw an avi movie on with a few presses of the rechargeable controller, auto shutdown and its a wrap. If the xbox 360 could offer this level of Comfort and convenience it would be the better of the two. Its funny how Microsoft took a page out of sony’s buy the console then the add ons book, and sony did the opposite. Neither console is ‘better’ per se it just depends on which advantages you, the all important consumer, prefers. It is pretty cool to own both though I imagine.
Can’t you do the same with a 360 if using it as a media extender? I can’t be sure as I tend to only use my consoles for gaming which is what I tend to fork out my money for, y’know?
I have noticed that every 360 game I’ve played seems to allow me to change it’s background music for that of my ripped CDs while ingame with a few button presses. I can do that on some PS3 games, but not all of them…
I think the ‘comfort’ and ‘conveniance’ of the 360 all revolve around playing games. It allows better access to options while ingame and adding people into games/plain groups is both easier and allows more options than the PS3.
And as both consoles seem to be dropping in price, soon I’d think most gamers who can afford to be online would be able to grab both. Granted they’ll have a crippled PS3 as each new revision seems to lose features/functionality, but either way later models will still (hopefully) play all PS3 games. Unless they do a PS3 GO of course… lol
I don’t class my current 80GB PS3 as crippled as I don’t think I’d use the PS2 b/c even if I had it (PS2 games look horrible on a 40″ HD-TV. I played FFX2 on my old PS2 before giving it away to relatives, & I’d have been better with our old 28″ w/s crt tv). The only PS1 games I ever remember playing on the PS2 were Hogs of War & FFVIII. Once a console has a good catalogue of it’s own games, b/c is not so much an issue.
To save money on production costs b/c was the obvious thing to go. I don’t think the production costs are an issue any more, & there’s not really anything else they can get rid of. The only thing I see being done to the “Slim” (if it’s even real!) is the PSU maybe going to the outside of the console, but as we have no information about the “Slim”, it’s all speculation anyway.
i think a good speculative question to address concerning both consoles that i have yet to see you do (unless i missed it) is how long each system will be on the market. that is something else consumers should consider before buying. game developers were still producing titles for the ps2 as of last year at least, were they still doing the same for the reg. xbox? as far as i’m aware, no. so those former ps2 owners who were smart like me and bought the 60GB or the first 80GB series with the b/c didn’t lose out on a whole lot of money already spent on a previous generation game console. from what i’ve researched, heard, seen, etc.. microsoft will need to come out with a new system before sony if its true that the ps3 still has not even reached its full potential with games. once that happens, THAT will be the day xbox is going to have serious problems. and if i had to predict the future, microsoft will be in the same boat sony is in now with it’s next console and it will be sony who is already ahead of the curve.
I think there are too many possibilities there to assume a new xbox would have serious problems. For example, one possibility could be that a new xbox is made with higher capabilities but has full compatibility with the 360′s games including XBL content.
that’s why it’s a speculative question. ps3 has tons of room for improvement on every level, but even where it stands right now today it is not all that far behind xbox and there is only so much farther the xbox can go before it tops out. not to mention all the RRODs they get, i see more and more ppl switching to ps3. i know a few dozen ppl personally that it happened to and they switched and weren’t all that disappointed.
but the bottom line is this: as it stands today with what is known and can be assumed, which system is going to get scrapped first? its going to be xbox, and would be highly surprised if it wasn’t. ps3 is nowhere near its potential. and like i said, once it gets there, microsoft is going to have serious problems. if it weren’t for the fact that the 360 looks like a little kids toy and all the RRODs and no built in wifi adapter (really really stupid for a system geared towards online gaming) etc..i would say that it would dominate the ps3 entirely until both come out with new systems. heres how i see it, microsoft won the first half of the war, and sony is going to win the 2nd half. only time will tell, but just wait 3 years and see if this doesn’t become true. just wait.
Ahhhhh, I see. Well you’re quite possibly correct in assuming the PS3 has tons of room for improvement (especially if they start making some higher quality downloadable games that aren’t under the restraints the blu ray drive imposes on games), but I think what you’re failing to see is how much room for the improvement the 360 also has.
I predict a newer xbox somewhere down the track that’s fully compatible with the older stuff (think of the outcry if MS did decide to pull the lifecord from the 360′s XBL service. It’d possibly be suicidal). Just like your theory it’s just a guess, but it would make sense for me.
The rest of your last response doesn’t strike me as being worth any real merit but I’ll respond to it regardless as I tend to do. 360 looks like a toy? Well it damn well is an entertainment device. It knows it isn’t a george foreman grill or faulty supercomputer and I say good for it! All the RRoDs? Yeah, before Jaspers maybe. Jaspers don’t seem to get hot even after being left on all night. Wireless sucks something severe for online gaming, I know it’s a big positive for some PS3 owners but only a casual or recreational gamer (or someone with a decreased mental capacity) would tout it an advantage over a wired connection. And unlike the PS3, the 360 comes with the cables you need for a wired connection. It’s optional on the 360 because the only people that do go wireless tend to be those more worried about cables on their floor rather than connection stabilitiy and overall quality. Oh and if there’s only two halves to the war it looks like MS wins the last round because the first round was the PS2 thrashing the original xbox. And if MS *does* release their next console earlier they might win any future rounds for the same reasons they’re winning this round.
the tons of room for improvement is just simply that it doesn’t fully utilize everything the ps3 is capable of doing.
as far as the wifi is concerned, don’t forget that it has an ethernet jack too. its just a plus to already have a wifi adapter already built in instead of having to go out and buy one if it better suits to go wireless than running ethernet cords all over the house if your router isn’t right next to it. and there is no problems with the wifi playing online. you can have only a 20-25% signal and your game still plays just fine.
yes it does look like a toy. that was my first thought when i saw it when i was in the army and they had one at a USO before the ps3 even came. so my thought on that is actually unbiased because there was no ps3 to compare it to at the time. and if you want to deny that the sony playstation doesn’t have a classy look, well that’s your opinion but plenty of others would disagree with you. i’d rather have that next to my 65″ sony lcd tv than an xbox that just takes away from a nice looking entertainment center. as far as the RRODs, there is really no justifying that. almost a 33% failure rate is unacceptable. 68 out of every 100 xboxs at one point were defective and a major repair company were recieving 2500 units a day for a period of time just in the uk. you don’t hear about anything that large scale of defective units with the ps3.
as far as the battle between the consoles, im talking just these two. i never mentioned the ps2 so i don’t know where you pulled that from-well i got an idea but im not going to say it here. the first half of this war xbox won in only a few categories. the amount of games available, cheaper to purchase (for those less wealthier gamers), and better marketing. sure there are other things, but these are what really boosted sales for xbox. all these things are changing for the ps3. if the ps3 hadn’t come out costing $600 (and by the way it was well worth it- 3years later my system is still going strong. haven’t shut it off once in over two months) sales would have been a lot higher. but you don’t sell a better system for less than the competitors. xbox is like ford in the gaming world. cheap and full of problems. ps3 is the mercedes. better quality, more reliable, classier look. but ps3 has increased its library tremendously and will only continue to do so. xbox didn’t have a problem with this since they are made on poorer quality regular dvds. blu-ray was still really just making its way into the market and was completely new to gamers and more expensive to make. i wonder why nobody seems realize that xbox games are seriously overpriced compared to the cost it takes to make them? cost is obviously going down, and will only continue to do so. that will help level out the playing field which has been offset since the beginning. and as game developers finally get the kahunas to produce games that fully utilize the blu-ray disc and playstation capablities, marketing will be a breeze. all the advantages the xbox has right now are only temporary. i’ve played both systems side by side and i fail to see the glory in the ole xbox. like i said, just wait. there is no need to comment back. just wait. you will see that in the end the ps3 will come out ahead.
No kidding, Einstein. But seriously, both consoles still have some room for improvement, neither have achieved their full potential.
Oh I haven’t forgotten the ethernet jack. I just haven’t forgotten that Sony were too cheap to include an ethernet cable. It’s not really that big an ask I’d like to think. Especially as wired connections are the better for gaming. It’s a plus to have an ethernet cable rather than having to run to the store to buy one. I had no problems playing some games with dialup a few years ago and that doesn’t mean there were better ways of doing it. What if something interferes with your wireless signal?
As far as aesthetics go, what is anyone’s opinion other than biased? You like what you like and others like what they like. Where others would disagree with me, I’m sure others would agree with me. See where I’m going here?
As for RRoDs, get a new argument. After Jaspers were released into the wild that argument means nothing. Yeah, past units weren’t as hardy, but newer units tend to hold up just fine for the better part. Also I’m guessing you got your statistics from a propoganda website, likely pro Sony/PS3. Why? Because 68 out of 100 isn’t a likely percentage. That’s over 2/3 of 360s. I don’t think anyone would defend the 360 if the numbers were that high.
And yes for the record, there have been both fruity PS3s and the occasional batch of fruity PS3s. Though they are less in number than fruity 360s, they do exist and I was unfortunate enough to buy one a while ago.
Well, I’d think it obvious enough to any who’ve been gaming for a decent amount of time, but what we have here is a generational reversal. Last generation the PS2 had inferior hardware compared to it’s competitors the xbox and gamecube but still won the war by having a large install base before the competition arrived and keeping it’s install base with the most games. This generation the 360 came first and developed a loyal userbase and the game selection is still noticeably bigger on the 360.
In what categories did the PS3 win? It has the highest capacity disc media (though limited to 2x speed which makes it mediocre for gaming), better reliability and does a lot of things I don’t care for as when I buy a console I want it for gaming features, but the 360 has better graphics (look up the tech specs), more games, more arcade/downloadable titles, better multiplayer support with more powerful voice chat compatibilities (you can do more in terms of this) and often gets exclusive content OR PS3 owners have to wait a decent amount longer.
Know how they’re getting the cost down? You probably mightn’t since you have a launch PS3 by the sounds of it and don’t strike me as being too capable in terms of looking up tech specs for different revisions of each console, but every time they revise the PS3, more stuff gets cut. They’ve so far removed PS2 BC, USB ports and the card reader. Possibly more, but it’s not coming to me right now.
I’m not gonna see crap if I wait for two natural lifetimes to pass, and I hate how many PS3 fanboy’s arguments all come down to things like ‘just you wait’, ‘the potential isn’t unlocked yet’ etc. I’m living in the here and now. Yeah, I’m a 360 fanboy. But at least I have good reasons for being one.
The only thing that i do not like about my PS3 is the online gaming is terrible compared to the 360. both systems are great in my eyes.
the other thing is i love the PS3′s dashboard compared to the 360′s cluttered mess. other then those 2 little issues i love em both.
I like the cluttered mess as it can be made to look really good with premium themes.
Like ease of use? The guide button menu is even more streamlined than the PS3′s dashboard I’ve found.
Silver,
Quote “but the 360 has better graphics (look up the tech specs)”.
Correction, the 360 has a better graphics chip, not better graphics. There’s a difference. You know that the PS3 can’t be quantified by the GPU, it’s hardly a traditional platform.
I still don’t think there’s a great deal between the 2 consoles graphically, & yes multiplatform games still favour the 360 (by an intsy wintsy tiny little amount), but the PS3 exclusives & the upcoming titles look better than the 360 exclusives.
I know where generalgibson got his 68 out of 100 from. It was a test done in a lab in the really really early days of the 360. It’s noted on Wikipedia somewhere (just google 360 technical problems, a big long long long page comes up). & I’m glad the Jaspers have finally sorted out what was a complete debacle.
I also doubt they’ll strip anything else off any upcoming PS3 revisions. The stuff they did take off previously, whilst painful didn’t stop it functioning as a very good console. Any suggestions they’d remove anything from the rumoured slim (still not convinced it exists) is just speculation anyway.
There’s no arguing that the 360 has more games & a better online service, but extra time & a charged for online service makes this a completely understandable situation.
I do agree with generalgibson that the PS3 looks better, but that’s just personal opinion. Neither look as good as a decent piece of a separates system, but it’s a games console. They’re both an improvement on the Amiga CD32 or SNES or even PS1, etc etc
Kaden,
Better graphics chip = better graphics. The cell engine can help the PS3′s GPU, yes, but either way the 360 has a better graphics chip and that won’t be changing anytime soon. I don’t know about your exclusives argument. Yeah, some of the newer exclusives that have taken years to make have looked stunning on the PS3, but video footage of Forza 3 is a lot better on the eye then the next Gran Tourismo. Some things in the GT trailors looked quite dated, and even if they were just things in the background it was quite noticeable. The PS3 is let down by it’s blu ray disc speeds. Sure they can carry a lot of information, but that’s useless when they can’t stream it all properly.
And I just read where he got his statistic from on wikipedia with your info. It was on a test production run. Not one of the production runs that ended with an end user getting their hands on a console, no, merely a test production run. And the original article screams dodgy too with the occasional ‘according to sources discovered by us’ despite not sharing the aforementioned sources.
If they don’t strip any more features from newer revisions it’ll be a first. And PS2 BC was part of what made it a good console. I love my launch PS3, but the other is a neglected little backup box I may only ever end up using if my launch console has issues. If they reintroduce sotware emulation as I’ve heard rumours they might, then I might start seeing a PS3 as being a contender again.
As for the SNES, it depends. If a NA SNES it’s fairly ugly (though plays more games) while the European (and Australian) SNES looked rather pretty. Colorful buttons and rounded edges ftw! Oh and old skool Ataris are the vision of sophistication. I’m just not into my gaming areas looking like a sterile office (or a kitchen with a george foreman grill).
Silver,
Quote “Better graphics chip = better graphics. The cell engine can help the PS3’s GPU, yes, but either way the 360 has a better graphics chip and that won’t be changing anytime soon.”
Whilst there’s no arguing that the 360 has a better GPU, & it won’t be changing at all until the next gen of consoles, I would still argue that the exclusives on the PS3 graphically outdo the 360. Considering the 360 has been out longer & is easier to develop for surely it should be the other way round. If Microsoft can’t pull any 1st party titles out of their hats that outdo the PS3 in graphical terms then that superior GPU isn’t actually pulling it’s weight. Alan Wake does look very promising, but Halo ODST doesn’t look anything special. When Uncharted 1 & Heavenly Sword look as good as they do for old titles, & the like of KZ2 is already out there. Not to mention all of the upcoming gorgeousness of Uncharted 2, GoWIII, GT5, The Last Guardian, & Heavy Rain, kinda puts a dampener on your 360 has the best graphics argument. I still say there’s not a lot in it, but when are Microsoft going to show us what this superior GPU can do? Are they holding back for a reason?, or is it that the cell does actually more than make up for this?
As for Forza 3 – it looks amazing. The demo they showed at E3 was very impressive, especially the scenery, with all those sweeping mountain roads with all those trees – very pretty. Unfortunately, we’ve seen very little of the scenery side of GT5. The E3 trailer which can be downloaded from the American PSN store shows mainly track racing, & the cars are definitely more polished than Forza, which is saying something considering how good they look on Forza. I’m hoping they show more of GT5 at Gamescon tomorrow. What scenery was showed looked good, but the whole rally & nascar things obviously looked a bit barren.
It’s the same thinking that had 360 owners fairly having a go at the PS3 for all of the “potential” PS3 fanboys kept harping on about for the last couple of years. A console is only as good as it’s games catalogue, which is why the 360 is doing so well. PS3 owners no longer have to harp on about the “potential” of the PS3 as it’s out there now, & only getting better. It’s still got a while to go to catch up the 360′s game catalogue, but there’s plenty of good titles.
I understand you’re reasoning on the PS2 BC but it really doesn’t bother me. The only change I see them possibly making to future revisions of the PS3 is possibly moving the PSU external for the slim if it even exists. There’s nothing else they can get rid of without seriously crippling the consoles usability. I suppose Wi-Fi is the only removable option left, but it’s hardly a crippling cost issue.
Oh, & I would have never called the SNES pretty, but then again I wouldn’t call any console pretty.
I always felt that first party titles on 360 tended to look just as good as those on the PS3. The trouble is most first party titles on the 360 seem to steer away from gritty realism and that’s really what wows people with titles like Uncharted and Resistance 2. 360 also has some goreous launch titles, some predating the PS3′s. I never get sick of seeing the visuals in Kameo for example…
And my graphics argument still stands. I’m yet to play a single game on both consoles that looks better on the PS3. Yeah, first party developers can get things looking up to par with the 360′s best offerings, but what about the third party developers that make the majority of games?
SNESs are an art form! Particularly the European SNES with the coloured buttons and all the curves and shit. Damn that was a cute console. And like I said, if you like a suave machine, few things beat an old Atari. It looks bitchin’. But yeah, if anyone argues that they chose their console for how it looks, I would recommend several past greats over the PS3. Hell, if you have a room themed with square/box designs, get a gamecube.
“The only thing that i do not like about my PS3 is the online gaming is terrible compared to the 360. both systems are great in my eyes.”
the online gaming of PS3 is better, same or worse in comparison of PS2?
if it´s the same or better for me its awesome. I play Midnight club 3 and there are lags, but rhis doesn´t bother me because I play nfs underground II on PC and its terrible.
Well…….after reading quite a bit on the internet and being a PS3 owner (and ps2 and ps1), i am even more certain the PS3 can trump the xbox.
My theory is this….why would Sony release a machine with an inferior graphics card?
The xbox has a better graphics card, we know that ,but it doesn’t mean it has better graphics.
This thought came to me after reading about the recent Atari Ghostbusters game.
It was quoted by the president of Atari saying that the game will utilize the ps3′s power and that the xbox wouldn’t be able to cope.
Well…it seemed the xbox did cope and actually came out better. Why? Because the programmers were too lazy too work the ps3.
Look at Killzone 2….look at the upcoming Uncharted 2….then look at the Ghostbusters game. See the difference!
The makers of Killzone and Uncharted have used the power of the ps3 and I still reckon this isn’t its peak of power, but only the beginning.
Whilst reading this tech problem with PS3 and xbox 360 on the Ghostbusters game someone on the forum mentioned (during the debate about ps3/xbox graphics/processors), that games are hard to produce that run of two processors.
The PS3 has 7 SPEs that when use correctly, could wipe the xbox clean.
The CELL processor can take a load of the graphics chip and use it with blinding results, if programmed right.
The problem…..how many programmers know how to use the PS3′s architecture correctly?
Uncharted 2′s Naughty Dog seem to understand the PS3 after watching the E3 trailer!
I have no doubt that given time to understand how the PS3 works, the results will surpass that of xbox games.
Sony would release a machine with an inferior graphics card because originally they weren’t going to use a traditional GPU at all and then realised to themselves ‘WHAT THE SHIT, WE’RE MAKING A GAME CONSOLE NOT THE SECOND GENERATION HUBBLE TELESCOPE HOUSED IN GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL CASING!’ and inferior graphics cards tend to be cheaper which Sony needed as their parts cost a small fortune and they lose money on every console.
So you’re basing your superior graphics theory on comparing first party titles with third party titles and because a first party title on the PS3 looks better then a third party title on the PS3, you’ve reached the conclusion that graphics look better on the PS3 than they do mon the 360? GENIUS! I wish I was that intelligent and capable of such a great scientific analysis. Seriously.
The PS3 has 7 SPEs, 6 that are usable from what I’ve heard, and no game developer can even use half that power as it’s too hard to get things working efficiently on such hardware. And for the record, SPEs fail for gaming as CPUs and PPEs all have direct memory access to the same set of memory where SPEs do not. Not only are the three cores of the 360 more efficient than the six of the PS3, but the 360 also has a better GPU which further advances it’s immediate potential.
Even Naughty Dog haven’t yet managed to fully harness the Cell processor and as a first party developer, that doesn’t bode well for the majority of third party games to come for the PS3.
I have very little doubt that by the time developers understand how the PS3 works, the next consoles will be out and neither will take the same approach the PS3 did.
this is to all of you who are wrong about the number of SPE’s that the ps3 has. it has 8. not 9, not 7 but 8. 1 isn’t used at all, nobody seems to know why though. the 7th is only used for the operating system itself. and then the other 6 are actually used for game play or things like LifewithPlaystation. and i would love for someone to make an argument about LifewithPlaystation. that right there shows the 360 is an inferior system because it doesn’t support the program nor has the capabilities to produce as much data as the ps3. the playstation 3 has provided more data in the past 3 years than any other computer or supercomputer since the program came out in 2000. and for those of you who don’t know (without getting into all the technical terms because that could on for pages) its a program that helps aid in collecting data in the process of folding proteins that with a better understanding of this process will eventually leads to cures for cancers, alzheimers, parkinsons disease, huntingtons disease and more. while the ps3 individually cannot compete with a supercomputer’s output for this program, but because of the sheer number of units using this program it has surpassed all other computers, super or not, running this program in terms of data provided.
now why does the 360 not support this program? some of you might say this has nothing to do with gaming, but it does say something about the companies. what is the 360 doing to help people in the real world? enlighten me. i know what the ps3 doing, they are leading the way in helping scientists and researchers find cures that may one day save your life. and it’s free of course. no extra ridiculous $50 charge.
if one were to think about which system is doing more for humanity, 360s lose hands down. how come nobody’s made this argument? i want all you 360 owners just to give this a thought, my ps3 is running lifewithplaystation at this very moment that will lead to cures for all sorts of cancers and diseases that one day may save your life. how will you feel if one day you get alzheimers or cancer, and the reason it was cured was because of the help of my playstation and millions of others around the world? only serious thoughts. if you don’t think its important, than just everyone a favor and keep your comment to yourself because all you are going to prove is that you don’t care about yourself, family, friends or the rest of human kind and is only going to hurt your image. so only serious replies back on this one.
Yeah, see I said 8 as the ninth is supposedly just in case one of the other eight decides to eat the dust. It only actually uses 6 for gaming as you’ve said which is exactly what I meant.
ROFLMFAO!!!!! If things like LifeWithPlaystation (*cough*Folding@home*cough*) are among your PS3′s strong points, I really can’t take you seriously at all. PCs have been doing that for how many decades now? Even a shitbox could help that cause, but why would a console want to have that? I mean the 360 could do that if enough people wanted the feature that MS took it seriously, but damn, how many people would give a damn? Know what saves my life buddyboy? My Mag-Lite. Easily the best bit of kit to come from the US. Rugged as hell, great adjustable lighting and when a druggy comes at you *WHAM* you nail the bastard in the face, own life saved. I love being a security guard in a violent area… =D
How many cures has your PlayStation 3 found yet? Or is it one of those things where it might potentially find a cure by 2016 or something? I’m confused by your strong convictions and the lack of any such cure in the mainstream media. And how much bandwidth does the PS3′s extra features like this use? Not every country has as generous internet plans as the US you know. Think about your family and all those poor people not living with cheap high speed broadband who’d go through a ton of money looking for a cure they may never need that may never be found… Poor buggers…
ERRRRGGGHHH
Damn it. You confused me to the number of cores now…
So it is catchable…
Damn Ctrl+Alt+Del cartoon being right…
i’m beginning to think you are mentally retarded and feel sorry for you. either that or you are part of the small percentage of illiterate americans. THERE IS ONLY 8, AGAIN 8, CORES! EIGHT! E-I-G-H-T. if you don’t understand that, you are hopeless. again 8cores, 6 used for gaming, 1 for the OS, and one not used at all. look it up and not on your little fanboy website. and its funny that you would even suggest that they would eat the dust, when xbox had all those RRODs in the past. so don’t even compare failure rates, cause the ps3 is nowhere near the 360s numbers.
cough cough? folding@home? duh. i know what the hell it is. i’ve been running the program on my system for almost 3years. and i said only serious replies back, not your bs. pc’s have been running the program since 2000 along with supercomputers, but in less than 3 years, the ps3 has produced more data than any of them combined in less than half the time. so, how you try to make that an argument that pc’s have been running it for how long, idk. point is they don’t do it well enough and there arent enough supercomputers to produce the amount of data on the same scale the ps3 does.
now you got me laughing, folding@home would come to the 360 if enough people wanted it too? lmfao! it wasn’t a program we wanted. it already came on there. folding@home chose the ps3, not the 360 because it recognized that the 360 either wouldn’t be able to support the program or produce results that were worth putting their time and money into. so suck on that d1ck.
a mag lite? what the hell does that have to do with anything? and you being a security guard? so what? whoop de doo. i served in the u.s. army for 6 years and did 2 tours in iraq. i’ve killed a few men just with my bare hands. so just stick to the topic because you have nothing on me.
cures aren’t found over night, but at least the ps3 is speeding up the process. and you completely missed the point i was making and i’m not going to spell that out for you barney style too.
who cares about the other countries? majority of the ps3s are in the u.s. anyways, and if you must know there are millions of ps3s running the program right now all over the world so you don’t make any valid point there.
well im done talking to an incompetent prick who fails to see the big picture. you have your head stuck too far up your own ass and your xbox’s to understand anything else. you obviously don’t have kids or have done anything meaningful with your life because you think like an ignorant greedy teenager that’s just trying to be cocky. have a nice life. don’t expect me to be replying to anything else you have to say. i only have so much patience for stupidity.
Awww sheet Judy, I did clarify that I caught the stupid temporarily from reading another post. Well not word for word, but if you’re a fan of the Ctrl+Alt+Del cartoon you probably would have gotten it. And I truly hope I didn’t sound so illiterate to be called an American. I mean damn dude, I feel insulted. Well if American tourists are a fair example of the population in general at any rate…
Anyways Einstein, I’m aware that there is only eight cores which is why when reading my post back I kicked myself for getting confused and added that little bit. Pity I couldn’t just edit my comment, eh? Oh well. Anyways yeah, one core is unused and I’ve heard it’s for if another core fails. I’m not saying it will fail, Genius, I’m just repeating that I heard it’s there for if another core does fail. That would actually support PS3 fanboy dribble on how reliability is a prime pro for the PS3. And for the record, I’m not a repeat visitor for any fanboy site. I prefer to read my info from developer blogs and from the publishers myself where possible.
My point about the PS3′s folding@home is it’s yet another thing that won’t help you play a game. I don’t know about all the intelligent people like you, but all the retarded, illiterate people like me prefer to use our game consoles for gaming. Funny, eh?
LOL Well I shall call you Major Einstein from this point on. Personally I was always more fond of putting the beatdown on the troublematic elements of society, rather than the brave (or perhaps foolish) men fighting for their country and way of life. A Mag-Lite is my weapon of choice, 5 D anyways and is great for making people see little stars or cuckoo birds flying around their heads rather than killing them which I’m not too big a fan of. It’s funny you touted folding@home as a great feature as it can save lives yet now talk about killing people with your bare hands… I wish I was that intelligent.
So damn patriotic, just like those American tourists we seem to get a fair bit here. I care because believe it or not, the US is only one country and contrary to the belief of many Americans it isn’t even usually the best country in most cases. Look at lists of countries with the highest quality level of life and the like for example. All I’m saying is some countries like mine don’t have internet plans as good as what your country offers. We value our bandwidth and useless crap that does nothing for us that we can see, isn’t high on our priority lists.
And that’s too bad Major Einstein. I’m finally beginning to warm to your world loving, people killing PS3 fanaticist ways. I’m also amazed at how you can discern that I’m an illiterate, American, ignorant and greedy teenager who’s trying to be cocky. That’s so like the reality!!! You have a nice life too Major Einstein. And I won’t expect a reply then, thank you for preparing me in advance for the disappointment of not being able to read one of your stellar comments which totally make my day more worth living. Patience is a virtue!!!
Nobody is talking about xbox live. Why pay for a game only for single player mode and be done with it in a couple of hours when I can play the same game online for 2 years example cod 4. I’m not saying ps3 doesn’t have online gaming but its light years away from xbox. I played my ps3 online 12pm and I jumped in a uk server that would never happen on xbox not that early.
the ps3 has better graphics its not just about the cords it has but also the bluray you forgot to say that. heres a way to separate the 2 wich game has better graphics killzone 2 or gears of war 2 the 360 will never be able to to do what the ps3 can do graphically
It’s not about the cords or the bluray.
I loled.
If you’re referring to higher disc media being able to hold more higher detailed textures, you’d be correct. Unfortunately that doesn’t mean anything if the read speeds are so low they can’t properly be streamed. You can download part of the game to get across such limitations you might be thinking? Well thereotically the 360 could do the same thing either from multiple discs or directly online. Hell, it’d eliminate disc swapping so there’d be nothing to bitch about there if you’re gonna use blu-ray as an argument.
And the cords? They don’t effect which has better graphics as both can use HDMI and if anything outside of the console will be effecting the graphics it would be the cable used WITH (as in not the cable on it’s own) the display device taking into account both the physical size of the display device and it’s native resolution. Basically the smaller the physical size of the display device and the larger the screen resolution, the more detailed the final image.
Oh and you know why Killzone 2 looks a lot sharper than Gears 2? I was doing some reading and discovered it’s the lack of organic textures in Killzone 2. Notice how there’s no vegetation or anything? There’s your culprit right there. Guerilla Games basically took the easy way out. When you do see the odd bit of organic lines in game, look closely and you’ll notice something.
There’s also they used a lot of shadowing to hide any lower quality textures, but tricks like those are fairly widely used, so it’s nothing too big. Don’t make me go into free antialiasing and all the other cool tricks the 360 has at it’s disposal…
Silver,
If the 360 has a better GPU, & as you would have it a better CPU (& as a lot of other people have stated previously better RAM, I assume that reasoning is because it’s shared 512MB as opposed to 256/256 CELL/GPU), then why is the best looking console game to date out on the PS3. You’ve seen the reviews on KZ2, & nearly every single magazine & website that has reviewed this games state that this is the case.
Like I said before, if the 360 has the better hardware, & it’s easier to develop for, & it’s been out longer, where’s the proof of this superior hardware & “immidiate potential”? I don’t care about development time, or multiplatform comparisons. I’m talking pinnacle of current console graphics, which is 1st party exclusives. Is it that Microsoft’s 1st party developers just can’t be bothered pushing the envelope? After all, it’s been out a year longer than the PS3, speaking of which….
We’re not yet in the 3rd year since the PS3′s release, & if Naughy Dog hasn’t managed to get everything out of the PS3, & yet Uncharted 2 looks as awesome, then surely that’s actually good news for what we can expect graphically out of the PS3 in the future.
I don’t expect 3rd party or multiplatform games to blow me away graphically, I don’t think that’s ever going to happen. I expect parity between the PS3 & 360 versions for multiplatform games, & I expect 1st party games for both consoles to excel technically.
Kaden,
I never said the 360 had a better CPU, just one that’s better able to be more fully utilised. Console game developers haven’t dealt with multi-core processors too much before the 360 and PS3, but while the 360 went with three cores which has a bit of a learning step, the PS3 went with nine and essentially made the stairs a mountaineering experience.
As for the media, I think a big part of that is they do tend to favour games like KZ2, MGS4, H3 and other such big shooters and they often get marked higher than other games even if the graphics are quite comparable. Look at some of the newer RPGs for example, some have eye candy that makes KZ2 look bad.
First party titles not looking all gritty and realistic? Well look at who MS’s first party developers are. You have Turn 10 who are behind Forza and the like and they seem to be doing right. Demos of Forza 3 have looked more realistic to me than KZ2 did. But then look at Lionhead and Rare. Good looking games, but they’re stylised so they won’t achieve the same acclaim for their graphics. Generally I notice a trend in two types of graphics to be highly acclaimed. Very real looking and just plain out of the box. Like Okami type out of the box… So yeah, all good, just not what reviewers want. Then we have Ensemble who make a damn good RTS, but RTSs aren’t ever really all that graphically defined. It can distract the player which is never a good thing. Bungie? They make things look superb, but have one problem with games like Halo 3. The native resolution of the game. Most probably don’t notice, but I imagine if you play it on a big enough screen it’d look awful. I did notice Mistwalker’s RPGs all look simply stunning. And they’re practically a first party developer in the sense that thus far they’ve only released games for the 360 (unless you include portables as they’ve done DS games too).
Killzone 2 was hyped up a lot nearer the release but also had one really long development time for an FPS game. I mean damn, they first tech demoed it back at 2005 E3 if I remember right. I don’t think many first party titles on the 360 have had that long a development cycle despite the console being out for longer.
First party games do excel on both, it’s just sometimes they’re not what a particular audience wants. And I don’t expect parity between console versions will be established any time too soon realistically speaking.
Silver,
I’d hardly say KZ2 being hyped up had anything to do with it’s review scores. Haze & Lair were hyped to hell & back but it didn’t do them any favours, & it isn’t like the media has exactly being friendly towards Sony over the last couple of years.
I’m not sure I agree about games like KZ2, MGS4, & Halo 3 being marked higher because of the gritty realistic thing. When games like GTAIV, Little Big Planet, Street Figher IV, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, Rock Band(s), Braid, Guitar Hero, Bioshock, & Mass Effect also score extremely highly, & none of these are attempting to pull off realistic. I also imagine that Forza 3, & GT5 will be scoring right at the top of the scale when they’re released. As for RPG’s, I’ve never noticed them being scored down on graphics because they’re not gritty or realistic. FFX on the PS2 was gobsmackingly gorgeous when it came out, & the magazines raved about how pretty it was.
Oh, I was wrong & you were right. I didn’t see it coming, caught me completely by suprise. Sony did remove something else from the PS3 slim now that it has finally been confirmed at Gamescom yesterday. The ability to install another OS has gone. No more Linux for new PS3 slim owners. I didn’t even consider the whole Linux side of it, but then again, I’ve had my PS3 over 6 months now, & haven’t even considered it on a PS3 that will run it. I don’t think it’s a big loss in the grand scheme of things, & only a minority of people will miss it. It isn’t like it did anything for games anyway.
Oh, & the price has dropped, so hopefully with this & the slim officially unveiled every other website in the world can stop harping on about it & come up with some new stories (they might have to do some work for a change instead of rehashing the same news over & over again).
We finally get the Video Store in the UK at last, & firmware 3.0 looks good. It’s not as big a change as the NXE was to the 360, but I like the XMB as it is, so streamlining it looks good to me.
Kaden,
I certainly would. Other games too such as GTAIV. I mean GTAIV was a great game, but it didn’t seem like it deserved all the perfect scores it did. Hell it lacked a few things that made San Andreas so fun and replayable.
GTA was the most realistic GTA to date. :/ Oblivion at the time of release was also one of the most realistic games out, I remember seeing screenshots in a PCPowerplay magazine possibly half a decade ago thinking ‘Damn that looks incredible’. Little Big Planet, Braid and Street Fighter IV come under that alternative art design thing I mentioned. If they look interesting and unique, that does things for most reviewers the majority of the time. As for the rest, I don’t recall the GH and RB games getting highly scored for their graphics and I also notice their scores fall a bit when they don’t add in interesting new features due to some reviewers being smart enough to realise some might as well be the exact same game with a different track list. My point with RPGs, is some of the newer ones make games like Killzone 2 look bad, but it’s always games like Killzone 2 where people rave about the graphics. As an RPG gamer, it really doesn’t impress me.
So the slim PS3 will now be a game console that only plays some media as opposed to all the media mplayer on Linux allowed? Damn, looks like another less non-gaming feature a PS3 fanboy can blast me with only for me to toss it back in their face. Tis a sad day indeed. Oh and out of curiousity (as I missed the slim unveiling), does the slim still take any ol’ external harddrive like previous models? I’m just curious there as I figure if they want it that skinny, they might have had to go with embedded flash memory or something. Which isn’t neccesarily a bad thing as though it might mean less storage, flash memory seems a bit more durable than a hard drive and has a few other advantages only balanced out by the tendancy to cost more than hdd memory by the mb. If no-one knows, it’s cool, I’ll probably look it up over the next few days.
Congrats, I hear Australia’s finally getting streaming HD video on xbox live around Decemberish when they update the US’s to higher quality video. I probably won’t even bother using it due to the limited bandwidth most of us get here, but I might take a looksee and see what’s being offered as I noticed the US’s video market place has some cheap episodes of South Park and a couple other shows for download…
Nevermind, I just looked it up and it is still replaceable HDDs.
I got myself all excited over nothing…
It looks like there is no moderation on this blog, as it has turned into “Silver” getting offended, being racist, and rude whenever he is presented with someone’s opinion that opposes his own in a storng way – often it isn’t about the hardware, but how “Silver” can insult someone. I find it sad that someone who claims to love games has such low self-esteem that the only way he can get attention or improve that esteem is to demean others: often through comments/arguments as meaningless and post-derailing as how he “loves being a security guard in a violent area.”
I hope this dosent offend you “Silver” as it is the truth, and I hope this post leads to better moderation on this website as it seems personal offence has led to a distraction from the issue in question.
Also as a side note, if I weren’t an intelligent person I might assume from the posts I’ve been reading since I subscribed (due to a lack of moderation) is that XBOX “fanboys” are insecure and childish people.
But I know better.
I hope this post even makes it on the website, and maybe is taken seriously.
i didnt understand any of what you said. You used alot of specialized vocabs… hahaha i dont have a ps3 nor xbox360. hahaha just dropping by…. maybe your article is good… maybe!!!
Woah, what happened, I leave you guys alone for 5 minutes & it all goes to hell in a hand basket.
Seriously though! You’re now arguing over killing people with your bare hands or just clobbering them with a mag light? If you think smashing someones face in is good fun then you’re a moron, & generalgibson, you’re just encouraging him. Silver, you do like to bring up all your nice shiny shiny stuff in these comments, including you’re fancy home cinema audio system, & you’re fancy security job where you get to boink people on the head – you do like to show off a bit.
As for the folding@home argument. I think it’s a worthwhile venture, but it’ll never sell consoles. People want a games console to play games, mainly. As for the Silvers comments on the bandwidth useage, it really doesn’t use that much. Downloads a small amount of work to the PS3. The PS3 works on it for about 8 hours & then uploads the results back to the central oojamaflip to compile all of the data. Exactly the same as the PC has been doing for ages, it’s just that the PS3 version has been optimised for the cell so it kicks @rse processing wise.
Generalgibsons comments stating “folding@home chose the ps3, not the 360 because it recognized that the 360 either wouldn’t be able to support the program or produce results that were worth putting their time and money into. so suck on that d1ck” are just PS3 fanboy b*ll*cks. It’s probably never going to happen, but there’s no reason why the 360 couldn’t contribute to this or something like SETI (if anything it’d be easier to port the PC versions of these programs due to the 360′s more traditional CPU setup). Any processing power from a low level PC to an Alienware uberbeast is helping, & yes it will takes years to see the results, but at least people are trying to help. It still won’t sell a blooming thing though.
generalgibson, most PS3′s aren’t in the US. There’s over 10 million PS3′s in Europe. Out of nearly 24 million. That leaves 14 million to cover the US, Japan, & the rest of the world. I think Japan has probably sold more PS3′s than in the US. It’s the US media that have been harping on about the PS3 price cut since the beginning of time. I hope they’re happy, & maybe they’ll actually buy the machine now. I doubt it though, they’ll find something else to moan about (there’s already an article out there about “what’s missing from firmware 3.0″. Always so negative, they take gaming so damn seriously, & it’s supposed to be fun.
Oh, & saying that KZ2 only looks better than Gears 2 is because KZ2 doesn’t have trees is a weak argument. I am aware that it takes processing power to put foliage into games, but have you ever thought that maybe Helghast doesn’t have any trees because it’s not supposed to. Guerilla games stated that KZ2 only used about 60% of the PS3′s power. I think another 40% on top could’ve coped with some leaves.
I’m also aware of the free anti-aliasing the 360 has frame rate wise, & the PS3 has some wierd thing called Quidditchaliasing or something equally stupid. I’m also aware that it currently takes more effort to get those KZ2 type results out of the PS3, but development should carry on getting easier & quicker as time goes on. KZ2 was started very early in the life of the PS3, & for every game made on the system something new is learnt, & Sony, Guerilla, & the likes of Naughy Dog do like to share information with other Sony 1st party developers, so it should be a constantly improving situation.
Multiplatform games were painful on the PS3 for the 1st year or 2, now they are generally identical or so damn close any fanboy claims are usually nitpicking (there is the odd exception, Silent Hill & Ghostbusters, & GB still looks okay on the PS3…played the demo, was fine, if not awe inspiring). Like I said before, I don’t expect 3rd party software to be up there technically with the 1st party exclusives.
Silver, I get where you’re coming from about RPG’s, & some of them do look amazing, but that’s mainly down to art style. I should have clarified before, when I said that magazines & websites said that KZ2 was the best looking game out there, I meant “technically”. Something can be technically superior, but that doesn’t mean that everybody will think it’s the best looking game. I think I’ll probably say that FFXIII will look better when it finally arrives in 2137, but that doesn’t mean it’s technically better. KZ2 achieved a lot “technically”. Doesn’t mean everybody is expected to like it.
I still thinkg GTAIV looks quite cartoony. It’s not gritty & realistic like CODMW or KZ2, but I get your point about Oblivion, fair catch on that one.
Anybody who wants to install Linux on a PS3 better go out & buy a fat one before they run out, though why you’d want to I’m not actually sure. It’s a games console after all. It’s got a web browser, which means you can browse & check your hotmail, what else use is Linux for, you can’t really game on it (I’m really going to get the Linux clan on my back for that).
“Anybody who wants to install Linux on a PS3 better go out & buy a fat one before they run out, though why you’d want to I’m not actually sure. It’s a games console after all. It’s got a web browser, which means you can browse & check your hotmail, what else use is Linux for, you can’t really game on it (I’m really going to get the Linux clan on my back for that).”
It’s that type of thing that earns my respect as a gamer. And I did try to type a response to Theos but it didn’t go through so I’m not sure this post or any future post will neither, though it won’t hurt to try. Basically I apologised to Americans in general though not all of them. And I find Theos to be amusing as he seems just as keen as me to take others down, just seems a deal more judgemental, hence my amusement. And is it just me or is Theos as a name, highly egotistical? Makes my arrogance pale in comparison and damn I can be an arrogant bastard, but I digress…
Killzone 2 I don’t see as being a very good ‘pro’ example for what the PS3 can do as it uses a lot of ‘smoke and mirrors’ tactics to look as good as it does. I discovered this by looking at official material from Guerilla games (it’s worth a look from any gamer as you learn all kinds of interesting things from it and it is freely available online). Basically the game looks as good as it does due to the time invested in it rather than any real graphical advances. Lighting and shadows are burnt into textures rather than actually lit up in some areas, shadows are used to hide lower res textures (yes, lower res than Gears 2), organic (or rounded might be a better term) objects are kept to a bare minimum and the frame rate is 30fps which is half that of some other games. And like Halo 3 it doesn’t run natively at full HD resolution. So it looks really good, aye, but it’s not a good example of the PS3′s graphics being superior. I do admire some of the animations I’ve seen in Killzone 2, but they’re hardly graphics intensive. I would probably stick with Uncharted for an example of a game that may be able to do some things the 360 can’t (unfortunately I couldn’t find many materials about the game so I have no idea how they’ve done some things) and I’ve heard Uncharted 2 will look noticeably better, but so far only credible rumours.
From a technical achievement standpoint, Gears 2 was likely a deal ahead of Killzone 2, it just wasn’t as caringly made with as big a budget. Hell, even Halo 3 had lighting effects Killzone 2 could only dream about…
Silver,
We’ll have to agree to disagree on the KZ2 vs Gears 2 argument. It’s me & lots of games magazines & lots & lots of website reviews of KZ2 stating that it’s technically the best looking game currently on any console vs…well, you saying that Gears 2 is technically better. Dunno about the lighting on Halo 3. I just know that screenshots can’t do the game justice as they always look really really out of date. Halo 3 is another one that didn’t go for gritty & realistic (my opinion, especially the character models are quite cartoony), & managed to get damn good reviews almost everywhere.
Uncharted 1 was very pretty & I just realised how stupid of me it was to trade it in when I’d finished it. It costs less than a tenner (that’s proper money, you know…with the Queens head on it) to pick up preowned so I’ll just pick it up agai. Uncharted 2 does look awesome.
It’s been a quiet month or two on the games front. It’s given me chance to catch up on some games I missed (Skate 2 at the moment – ain’t played a skateboard game since Tony Hawks on the PS2, keep getting my controls confused & bailing……a lot), but apart from Ghostbusters which looked okay, the only other “imminent” game I’m interested in is Batman:Arkham Asylum. Played the demo & it was fun. Also looked good which considering it uses the Unreal Engine as is Multipatlform I was pleasantly suprised at. It was completely off my radar until the demo arrived on PSN.
Fair enough, I just meant technically as opposed to cosmetically.
But yeah, I’ve been playing some older next-gen games of late too and some are amazing gameplay-wise. Even some I hadn’t given a proper chance that when I went back to I realised were awesome.
Batman’s also on my to buy list, which is funny for me as I don’t usually like Superhero games all that much normally. You guys getting that collector’s edition with the Batarang? As soon as I saw it on the Aussie ebgames website I realised I wanted it…
Oh it’s just another useless thing that’ll collect dust, but I’m a fan of cool collectable stuff nontheless.
Can’t say I’m fussed for special editions with bits of plastic in them. The playable joker thing on the PS3 version might be good, but it’s just for challenge modes so not that big a deal.
Nice to see that that there’s finally some new trailers out there showing off GT5 damage model & some good scenery to boot. Check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxKiMs0vd6Y
&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viHXSngZQhA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.casttv.com%2Fvideo%2Fmc2nzu1%2Fgran-turismo-5-damage-gameplay-gamescom-09-hq-video&feature=player_embedded#t=19
Just wish they’d give us a sodding release date.
Plastic be damned is right.
But that’s why I’m kind of interested in the collector’s edition batarang. EBGames guy told me it was a real 14″ metal replica. I don’t know if every country is getting that edition but it comes with a few other cool things like a leather covered Asylum Doctor’s journal and if I heard right, a challenge map and an exclusive Crime Alley map.
Judging by how I saw a PC Collector’s edition fake advertising box, I wouldn’t be surprised if the collector’s edition is on 360, PS3 and PC.
And I know what you mean about GT5. I preordered it a while ago and all I’ve been told is Quarter 1 2010. Few things worse than waiting for a game you’re expecting high things from, not knowing the date you’re waiting til is one of them.
Better graphics chip = better graphics???
The 360 is capable of better graphics but it all depends on how the developers optimize the games for the GPU. My 360 is the first model that came out and same with my 60GB PS3 and I really can’t tell the difference on GTA IV.
I don’t give a shit about console graphics anyways. GTA IV can look 10 times better on PCs than consoles – PCs rape consoles in terms of graphics – FACT (but cost over 3 times as much for some games).
Very true.
There was a time when I was almost exclusively a PC gamer (apart from my old skool consoles like my SNES and Genesis).
I’d probably still be there for the better visuals and performance if it wasn’t for the fact I seem to get very little time to do things such as maintain a decent gaming rig these days. The beauty of pretty much any game console is you can expect any game to work on it with minimal effort and don’t have to keep it updated so much.
What’s awesome is I don’t own any new PC games so I can buy a cheap as chips budget PC and it’ll play all my faves at max settings flawlessly.
you guys keep talking about which system got the better graphics, xbox and ps3 beat my dual 9800gtx+1gig muahahahahahaaha. Scratch that thats pc =P ok ok down to the reason im here everyone says online go xbox tell me why? why is online better on xbox and break it down for me =)
Of course PC’s gamesare for the most part going to be better than console games (apart from all of those sh!tty ports out there (cough Prototype cough), but I’d rather sit in a comfy armchair with a controller looking at a decent sized HD tv rather than being stuck in front of my monitor + I can’t get Little Big Planet or Uncharted, etc, etc on a PC. Different strokes for different folks
Name,
I can’t take anyone who says muahahahahahaaha seriously. Go back to your Austin Powers/Ming the Merciless fancy dress party.
hahahaha
I´m lazy about reading theses “articles” that kaden and silver are typing. Long english texts on PC makes me a little tired. I prefer on a paper.
I think I will buy the xbox 360 with pirates games. Microsoft! Where´s the xbox live??? ¬¬
I´m getting tired of awaiting xbox live service and sony arrival.
kkkkkkkkkkk
Now I was looking the prices of the consoles in some sites
look that:
the official edition of Xbox 360 (60 GB, HDMI cable, game Project Gotham Racing 4, game Too Human, remote control and wireless control) is costing R$ 2.199 (US$ 1182,25). it´s a little expensive, I think.
the PS3 80GB is costing less. R$ 1.599 (US$ 859.67). PS3 160GB with uncharted drake´s fortune is costing R$ 2.099 (US$ 1.128,49). PS3 40 GB is costing R$ 1.299 (US$ 698,38)
I think I´m changing of opinion. I want a PS3 80GB due to the cost-benefits. online gameplay, sony arrivals, making the games cheaper and linux benefits to show my parents that the PS3 is more than a PC and because I can use the linux for my benefits in other ways. (I use almost everything that the PS2 offers).
bye
Damn.
At those prices I’d recommend importing regardless of the console you’re wanting.
My mate imported a new PS3 from the US and paid around about AU$360 (he got free shipping). Normally they’re at least AU$600 or so, but I’ve heard we’ll get a price drop down to AU$500 when the PS3 slim is released. Still noticeably more than importing…
What problems has he had? Well he had to buy Australian cables (but third party cables are cheap as anything) and he needs to import games that have downloadable content he wants as the dlc seems region locked. I think a lot of blu ray movies might be open region as he has had no problems thus far playing any local region movies on his PS3 which is pretty good, especially as the only other region locked media is DVDs and most people seem to have several things that function as DVD players.
I’d never recommend paying above US$500 for any console, excepting perhaps launch PS3s.
ps3 are not region locked. i play both ntsc and pal games so i dont see what u are talking about.
He didn’t say that games are region locked. They obviously aren’t.
The DLC seems to be, according to him. I don’t own a PS3, so I wouldn’t know.
This a good article, overall. I’m glad that I can finally get a pro-con comparison without the fanboy bias.
Though I disagree on his comment about the Wii:
“If you want to have something sitting around that your friends and family will play once in a while after a few drinks, get a Wii.”
This may apply to many people, but certainly not to those like me. There are many adults, I’m sure, who have kept up with their favorite first party franchises like Metroid and Zelda, as I have (though I’m not an adult).
I have about 6 or 7 Wii games, even including some third party ones like Okami.
But then again, if you’re reading this article, you might careless about those things. So it depends…
Damn right!
And yeah, with the DLC I’m only going with what I heard as my PS3 is same region due to the conveniance being worth a couple hundred bucks to me. As far as games that are region protected, I think it’s only PSX and PS2 games and have heard that PS3 games can be optionally region protected, but I’ve never heard of anyone I know getting any game that wouldn’t work on an import console.
As for the Wii, Virtual Console alone ensures it has an amazing game library.
hey silver,
i was reading your defense of the 360 and had a few corrections to make.
first: “Killzone 2 I don’t see as being a very good ‘pro’ example for what the PS3 can do as it uses a lot of ’smoke and mirrors’ tactics to look as good as it does.”
-that is a ridiculous statement. i haven’t seen a game look as good as Killzone 2. The fact that they spent time on their game doesn’t take away the greatness of it.
Second: “Oh I haven’t forgotten the ethernet jack. I just haven’t forgotten that Sony were too cheap to include an ethernet cable”
-Mine did come with an ethernet cable… i don’t know why you think they don’t.
Third: “Also I’m guessing you got your statistics from a propaganda website, likely pro Sony/PS3. Why? Because 68 out of 100 isn’t a likely percentage. That’s over 2/3 of 360s. I don’t think anyone would defend the 360 if the numbers were that high.”
-The September issue of Game Informer put out a statistics sheet. Xbox 360′s fail 54.2% of the time. thats not too far off from 68 out of 100. Ps3′s failure rate is 10.6%. Next, 42.2% of 360′s failed AGAIN after the original repair. And last, 69.9% of people with 360′s have had friends with failing systems. PS3′s only had 12.4% of people having friends with their PS3′s failing. Also that 36.4% of 360 fans have bought more than one 360.
Also stated in Game Informer is that “Microsoft repairs drifted upwards toward a month. Nintendo and Sony, meanwhile, trended sooner at one week” And anybody receiving Game Informer knows that they always seem biased and favor the 360.
And a few personal points… First being the online play. You have to pay for the same exact thing that playstation fans get for free. You don’t have better internet. You just have to pay the price of a game to play online for a year. After 4 years of xbox live you could have almost bought another system.
Second, the game prices are absurd. 360 games cost the same as PS3 games, even though PS3 games are on Blu-ray discs.
Im not positive how the360 works with this, but on the PS3 you can share games with friends. If a friend downloads a game from the playstation store, he can then download that game on 5 other PS3′s. This is quite useful and great because then only one generous person pays $14.99 for Fat Princess, 5 friends get to play online with each other, as opposed to all 5 paying 75 together. Its also good for add-ons like map-packs and rockband tracks.
Well let me read your corrections and see what I can offer…
First: Even now I feel justified saying what I said. Yes, Killzone 2 is one of the best looking games available. BUT this was because they spent so much time on it. Looking at how they achieved the look from a technical standpoint, it’s really not as amazing as it seems and a lot of tricks were used to get around the PS3′s constraints. Fact of the matter is it’s at a lower resolution than other games, runs at half the framerate of other games, has lower resolution textures than other games and doesn’t render as many organic shapes as some other games. So yes, it does look rather amazing, but from a technical standpoint I’d use games like Uncharted to show what the PS3 is truly capable of. What I do love about Killzone 2 are the animations used. Not particularly technically taxing on any newer console but there was a lot of time put into them and it shows. Most games seem to not stay in development long enough and lack that spit and polish…
Second: Neither of my PS3s came with an ethnet cable, though my launch model may have as I had to buy it preowned. But some forums have indicated that some users did recieve ethernet cables so I’m guessing it depends on model or region or something similar. I stand partially corrected as some did get cables, others like myself didn’t.
Third: I don’t read any gaming publications like these as it’s been all too frequent back when I did read a lot of gaming magazines that the information was flawed. Though the main thing that bugged me was wrong release dates and CG renders/promotional material shown as gameplay screenshots, there was generally a decent amount of misinformation in any given magazine. Either way I look at it, 55% is a deal lower than 68% (though I don’t know any regions where HALF the people have had a broken 360) and 11% of PS3s also sounds surprisingly high. That’s over 1 in 10 and if a real statistic I think the net outcry would still be fairly high for the PS3 being unreliable. Or are these projected statistics that feel 55% of 360s and 11% of PS3s will eventually die? That might be feasible, but you’d need whatever date the percentages were projected to. And if those statistics are to be believed, 30.1% of 360 owners must be fairly antisocial as pretty much everyone seems to know at least one person with a borked up 360. I’m assuming by the statistics I’m seeing (seemingly high for both consoles) that the compiled information was based on a smaller group of people making the results sketchy at best. Just personal opinion based on observations of course, I could very well be wrong.
Personal points-wise, I very likely have crappier internet then you. Unless you’re rural Australian yourself? Let me explain to you exactly what I pay for in my internet experience and by extension, why I only really use my PS3 for exclusives. I have a much larger available library of downloadable titles available via XBL than I do PSN. As I have a lot of money most of the time, this means I can fairly easily have a hundred and fifty (I personally have 162) games I can play from my hard drive without any game disc inserting and these can be made up of arcade titles, xbox originals and a few older xbox 360 games via Games on Demand. PSN has some full version PS3 games, arcadey titles and PSX games, but a much lower selection than the 360 (especially in Australia). I also like the ability to chat to my friends in a party regardless of what we’re doing. I can create or add myself to a party of people playing the same game, people playing different games or even people on the dashboard or watching videos or whatever. It’s also a lot more conveniant to add people to games from ingame via the guide button. If my friends want my games, that’s cool. I just have to recover my gamertag onto their console and then they can download and play games through my account on their console for as long as they’re connected to XBL. Same applies for DLC. I don’t think either method is legal as I’m pretty sure the 5 machines PSN thing was designed for people with multiple consoles…
Meh.
But you know what might get me a bit more excited about PSN? (Besides the conveniance of XBL if offered). Downloadable PS2 titles and a larger sample of PSX titles. PSX titles I’d prob use more on my PSP, but some PS2 titles were awesome and having them downloadable would beat the previous insert disc/emulate for me as I wouldn’t have to change discs all the time and stuff. I really don’t mind paying more money for a better experience. =D
“I’d never recommend paying above US$500 for any console, excepting perhaps launch PS3s.”
maybe I will ask for my aunt to bring the PS3 from Japão, because I saw the pre realese price of PS3 slim here is R$ 2.400 (US$ 1.290). the stores here want to have a big profit. out the high taxes.
I´d like to have all the consoles of this generation, but, unfortunately, I can´t neither 1, because my father thinks that the price is an absurd and don´want to pay things like that (I´m imagining when he discover that PS3 doesn´t have ability for piracy and have to pay up to US$ 50 in a game that won´t make money for me. :B
ah. I forgot to ask. How much AU$ cost in US$?
According to a currency calculator I googled, it’s currently 1 US dollar = 1.18914 AU dollars. Or for every 100 US dollars you’d have 118.914 AU dollars.
Buuuuuuuut, we get wallet raped with game/console prices most of the time so it doesn’t usually translate well. Still a good deal cheaper than wherever you’re from which is why I recommended importing. Some of us here import as the prices of new consoles seems too steep at $500 or $600 AU dollars. Over $1000 US dollars just seems crazy to me regardless of which console.
Also you might want to bring up the original PS3 if legit games and no money making is a problem. It can be used as a linux PC which can be productive, and it seems most places are dropping it’s price to that of the PS3 slim on arrival. You can also play linux games on it and emulate past systems through emulators for Linux which suits those wanting a pirated games fix. Unfortunately I haven’t found any emulators that work well for consoles of even a couple of generations ago…
PS3 slim loses the ability to run Linux (possibly, other sources just state Sony isn’t supporting an alternate OS) so you’ve got less to argue for there. Good luck.
Silver,
I seriously think that you require a lesson in humility. We all have our opinions and you act as if your opinion is the only one. First of all, better graphics chip does not mean that it results in better graphics due to the fact that hardware also requires software, and better software can result in better graphics. See, I’m a PS3 player but not a fanboy. I concede that all consoles have pros and cons but some of your arguments are just plain ridiculous.
We all know that 360′s fail, a lot, a good friend of mine has one and we play a lot and it is frustrating because it RROD’s a lot. He’s fixed it himself like a trillion times before MS paid for it eventually. PS3′s apparently suck because of multiplatform games but all I’ve heard are they are better on multiplatform, take into consideration the fact that PS3 have the best looking games on the market, to quote, Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4. When you say that KZ2 uses smoke and mirrors, you make me extremely angry. If that is true, doesn’t that mean the GoW2 also used lots of smoke and mirrors? Developers spent years on that game and calling it smoke and mirrors is an absolute insult. You’re calling their blood, sweat and tears are just a result of using tricks?
Nameless, I feel you lack balls to the point where you feel a need to wear a cloak of anonymity and call someone out from the safety of aforementioned anonymity. I really don’t give two shits for internet superheroes, especially those spouting crap about humility when their own pride forces them to remain a no-one in order to preserve it.
My opinion is MY opinion just as yours is your opinion and whoever elses’ is whoever elses’. Or do you want me to magically grab everyone’s opinion, form some kind of communal opinion and force that into my gray mass? I bet you are a PS3 fanboy, but unlike myself you can’t bring yourself to say it. And look at previous replies of mine, I do recommend the PS3 in some cases and admit to some of it’s strengths. If you have a problem with my number of replies, that’s your problem. I get email alerts for this and a few other threads/comment sections elsewhere and it gives me something to do while I’m doing several other things. But hey, I always was a good multi-tasker.
360s DID fail a lot. Fortunately the new Jasper models seem to only get a few units failing compared to previous revisions. I know several people with working launch models too, funny that. So yeah, a fair few did die, but a lot didn’t and newer revisions the number is fewer still. Combine that to the PS3 which is losing functionability with each revision and I have to wonder why there’s that effect. One gets better while the other gets weaker.
PS3 games better at multiplatform? Pffft, most games on it are 360 ports not designed to work with the PS3′s strengths in mind. And those that are completely redesigned from the ground up still seem to play better on the 360 unless the PS3 version has appeared a couple years later down the track, and even then I tend to see more content in the games as opposed to better graphics or gameplay.
Killzone 2 I’ve covered before at least twice using quantifiable examples. It looks great, but on a technical level, it’s nothing special other than a lot of work being put into using smoke and mirrors tactics to get around the PS3′s limitations. Some of the lighting and shadows are merely burnt onto textures and if that doesn’t say something about the game on a technical level to you (remembering even games like Halo 3 rendered proper lighting in real time), I wonder what will. Metal Gear Solid 4 was visually impressive and I can’t say anything for or against it on a technical level as I haven’t read any documents concerning it. But I certainly expect that high a quality from developers with such a close partnership to a console.
You know, I get a deal of amusement from you saying that my words make you angry. Now I know that sounds harsh, but you haven’t exactly been too friendly to start with and I’m not known for giving a damn about maintaining a semblance of maturity (or even morality for that matter). Killzone 2 as far as I know was first announced back in 2005 at E3 and had a tech demo shown. The original Gears of War (not number 2) was released in 2006. Gears of War 2 was released in 2008. I don’t know if that gives you any idea of development time, but it certainly does to me. If Gears of War 2 had been worked on as long as Killzone 2 had been, imagine how much more polished the end result may have been. I mean on a technical level, GeoW2 is a deal more impressive to me than Killzone 2, especially in what could be achieved. The end result isn’t as polished looking as Killzone 2, but that’s because Killzone 2 was in development a lot longer. To a developer, saying they used a lot of smoke and mirrors tactics can be a compliment. It means that they’ve managed to get around the limitations of a device and that itself is an impressive feat. The developer is certainly more skilled when they can do ‘tricks’ to get more out of a platform when other developers don’t have those same limitations imposed on them.
Out of curiousity, are you one or two other posters here? I just got a sense of deja vu and vaguely remembered that other internet superhero’s post. The one calling himself God in some language or something. Calling yourself Nameless would make sense if you were he and the one I called arrogant, if not it looks like you may have found the perfect soulmate. Congrats.
Nameless, Quite amusing personal attack on Silver there, & completely pointless. Yeah, he’s a little bit on the arrogant side, but he’s entitled to his opinion just as much as you are.
Silver, you can’t have a go at somebody for calling themselves “Nameless” because of the anonymity thing. I’m betting “Silver” isn’t you’re real name. You can be pretty sure that thing up there in bold isn’t mine. The internet as a whole is an anonymous place to be. On the other hand, he could have thought of something better than “Nameless”
As for KZ2, I don’t care how long it took, or what tricks take place. It’s what I see in front of my eyes that I’m interested in. If KZ2 is more polished than anything else due to time spent then good for the developers. Do Microsoft just want to throw out games quickly & sod quality & polish? MS can’t claim graphical superiority for their console when they haven’t got anything out there that is better than the best PS3 games. I’ve just got hold of Uncharted again, & I’d forgot how good looking it is (& fun to boot). Looking forward to the next one.
If there wasn’t plenty of games available for the PS3 now, then I might understand Sony wanting to rush games out of the door to enhance the catalogue, but I don’t have a problem waiting for that care & attention to be lavished if the end result is up to KZ2, & Uncharted standards.
The only 360 game I see on the horizon that really impresses me so far (graphically) is Forza 3 when it was shown at E3. The developers were a tad on the arrogant side though repeatedly claiming that it is the “definitive” racing game of this generation over & over & over &…(Silver, you’ll appreciate their opinion) even though it’s not out yet, & neither is Forza’s main competition on the PS3. If they are just using GT5P as a comparison platform then their arrogance might be understood, if a liitle premature. Whatever happens 360 fanboys will support Forza 3, & PS3 fanboys will support GT5 regardless (unless one of them actually sucks, which is unlikely). Alan Wake also looks good, but not Forza good on graphics.
Oh, & I don’t think “Nameless” is your soulmate, you don’t even know their name.
Kaden,
I love responding to those that address me personally for better or worse. It makes things seem more dramatic or whatever. As for Silver, it’s my nickname which I am known as by some and it’s also a name I use in most profiles and the like online including some where the profiles also give the better part of my personal information including my full name and hometown. =D
And I agree with what you’ve said about Killzone 2. I just dislike how people talk about it’s technical achievements as if it’s better on a technical level. In practical terms it does look better and that’s what generally should matter to a gamer. Uncharted was never really my fave game (or even my favourite adventure game) but some of the techniques used do make it look like it’s a technical milestone. Metal Gear Solid IV (mentioned earlier) does also look great, but only as it has a lot of resources forcibly preinstalled. If a 360 game took the same approach, it could very likely achieve similar results, unfortunately most game developers probably wouldn’t want to make a game on that many DVDs. Come the golden age of digital distribution, who knows what’ll happen?
Oh and both the developers of Forza and reviewers have made me laugh my ass off on several occasions either through arrogance, cheesy lines or arrogant cheesy lines.
I think the IGN Hands-On made me laugh the most with this little bit:
‘Though I only had a chance to play Forza 3′s Career Mode for an hour, I can already tell it’s going to be a big hit among racing fans. Gran Turismo developer Polyphony Digital should pay attention. Turn 10 is doing some great things with Forza 3. Like releasing it.’
Oh and I meant Nameless should be whatsisname’s soulmate if he wasn’t that person. That other internet hero who decided to go on an anti-Silver crusade. lol
All i have to say ps3 isnt ready for xbox project natal. Xbox is going to have gaming on lockdown.
I just played killzone 2 and wasn’t impressed at all. I’m still trying to find these amazing graphics everyone talks about. Textures were terrible, backgrounds were blurry, and everything just seemed to filtered.
dimix,
If you think Natal is going to be “the be all & end all” of gaming then you’re sadly delusional.
Neither motion control system is going to be as succesful as the Wiimote unless Sony & Microsoft include their respective new waggly hardware as part of the initial console purchase, & even then they’re playing major catchup.
360 fanboys keep harping on about Natal like it’s the second coming of Christ. There will be people out there who love Natal/Wiimote/Sony glowing sex toy but if you are suggesting that every single 360 owner is going to be converted to dancing around in their living room like an eejit, crashing into their TV’s, & making my house insurance premium go up then you need your head examining with electricity or a drill bit.
Honestly natel may be good, I don’t know whether it will keep up with movements though.
For example fighting games i wonder will it be able to track a double fly kick into the game.
I have a feeling the Frames per second will be pretty bad
On another not consider playing a driving game on natel honestly do you reckon you could do it for 5 to 10 hr or even 2 day games streaks. I reckon my muscle could not handle the amount of strain from playing the natel. I personally rather use a controller. Hopefully both ps3 and Xbox 360 makes some sex games like leisure suit larry games.
Natal and PS3 sex toy = Every casual gamer’s dream come true.
Unfortunately they probably won’t do much for hardcore gamers other than the muscle strain after a few hours that valdious mentioned. lol
I would be a hell of a lot more excited if both console manufacturers decided to make all their new controllers with a decent d-pad and maybe a few more interesting colour choices…
Kaden calm down seriously. Depending on how developers use natal it could be revolutionary or a complete flop. Honestly the next generation is right around the corner and doesn’t leave much time for any real big movement.
Yeh muscle strain is going to be a major issue i remember playign wii boxing. I did 4 hrs straight session than 1 hr rest than a nother 3hr session. Next day i couldn’t move my arms.
Can’t wait for Forza but also I can’t wait for Grand Turismo i have been playing since the first one.
Suzuki Escudo Peaks pikes for the win in gt2
Brian,
Calm down from what exactly? You seem to have me confused with a scared gerbil or something.
I disagree about the next generation being just around corner (unless the corner is a long long way away). The current gen has still got plenty of travel in it yet. The PS3 still hasn’t had it’s hardware tapped to full potential, & I’m sure the developers can find more tricks to get extra oomph out of the 360. Even some recent Wii titles are showing some graphical improvement.
Remember the difference between the first PS2 games & the later ones (compare the original Midnight Club to God of War II, it’s like they were on 2 different consoles), it was night & day.
We’re only 4 years into the 360 & 3 years into the PS3. The costs of making games for these first HD console is prohibitive enough that developers will not want to move onto even more expensive & complicated hardware for a good while yet. They’re already talking about raising prices on games (MW2 anyone?). As long as Microsoft keep their word & support the 360 & not drop it like a bad smell like the original Xbox then there’s no reason why we can’t keep enjoying this gen for a few more years to come. Natal & Sony’s wand thing aren’t the next gen, they’re just peripherals to expand our options.
It’s all good.
Valdious,
I agree. When my better half got her Wii, we both ached from the boxing & tennis.
PS3 & 360 gamers like to sit down to play games, it’s meant to be relaxing. If you want the whole bouncing round the living room thing, you’ve already bought a Wii.
I’m not saying there’s no room for Natal & Sony’s wand, but the standard controls aren’t going to die out anytime soon.
Price break! Any change in your assessment Mr Nelson?
We’ll see when I write the next article in a few months :)
guys i just think im gonna keep my com it can always be upgraded and the games runs smoothly.
“Yeh muscle strain is going to be a major issue i remember playign wii boxing. I did 4 hrs straight session than 1 hr rest than a nother 3hr session. Next day i couldn’t move my arms.”
it´s better, because it will decrease the number of totally couch potatos and will decrease the number of playing hours increasing the hours of studing. rsrsrs. ok I´m kidding, but I think that willl be nice because the traditional controller causes lots of lesions of repetitive movements (in my language is called LER – Lesão por eforço repetitivo, I don´t know in english) like that ridiculous games that you need to press the same button lots of time.
The Xbox original was a good console. Do u know why it went out so quick?
I heard that nvidia was pulling the contract with the xbox the original this was due to nvidia getting a bit greedy with parts of the original xbox used. Due to this it was said that the xbox had to be rushed from the manufacturing lines to the market. This was implemented, because just imagine what would happen if you have a console off the market for a few months without a newer console coming out.Xbox would lose its following and no one would ever buy it again. So what microsoft did, with launching the xbox early was smart.
Yet with all this being known i wish they had more time to properly fix the bugs within it.
they said oh look falcon chips will fix the xbox 360. It Failed abysmally
they said the jasper chip has fixed it. Epiced fail.
I wonder what xbox will try next.
Final fantasy dissidia fot the win
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i am a more online person so i like the 360 better and i have played both consoles and the 360 literally kicks the crap out of the ps3 in that category.
and those of you who say the dashboard of the 360 is a mess…you must have only played it once on xbox live for 5 minutes… i find it very very easy to find anything on the dashboard
and i also like the avatar feature on the 360
Ok I have been a sony fan scene the first playstation came out i follow behind on this stuff alot and it looks like to me that xbox is slowly falling behind in gaming standards you might not notice it now but the whole online play thing is getting out of hand i dont know about u guys but i rather play online games with my friends for FREE there is no point for paying 5 freaking dollars a month along side the internet bill its stupid there both the same quality in game play if your ps3 is lagging or crackling while talking to friends get ur internet conection check i swear…and if your picking the xbox for only for the fact u can play music while playing a game your stupid ok its called an ipod radio computer…and my personaly opion is microsoft should stick to making computer progams and get out of the video game indrustry sure… it just fit right in. but they also BOUGHT alot help but im really getting tired of this fightin stuff because its stupid buying a game system where u sit there playing halo wondering if ur going to get the red ring of death shit and have to send it in to microsoft and pay 100 to 300 dallors to fix the damn thing. That whole HD- DVD thing was funny when that whole fight broke out between HD-DVD and Blue-Ray i think most of the people in the world besides the ones who owned an xbox knew that blue ray would when i mean even sony knew of the bat they would when thats why they built it in the PS3 so all the people that bought that hook up HD DVD player ended up throwing out 150-200 dollars or keep it with the little movies that did end up being made for it. So the buying games online feature that both systems have is cool for both its just the fact of paying 5 dollars a month and buying the game was stupid. people i know base what one they should buy on the contorler and what game system there friends have me sence i did grow up with sony the controller layout is easy to learn and understand xbox, got some getting used to because of the whole fact of the matter is its is alost the same as the P.S. just switch the anolage stick with the directional pad besides the names of the bottons there u go a P.S. contorller and most people i know have xbox’es does that mean that i should get on no neither should it be to anyone else reading this like this article said its deppends on what u think is best but dont go out blow the money and get a game system ur bored with in a week. (your prob. saying to ur self this guy doesnt even know what hes talking about but if u read closely i have some very good points and i have a couple more.) if u been completely hard headed about which system is better of u have questions of what on to buy here is a improtant tip 80% of the people that bought the xbox when the system first came out broke on them within the first month TURE STORY same with the xbox 360 but they did cut down the % it was at a 60% but still that fact is it still broke down the Playstation series on the other hand almost none of them broke down the main isue was the dvd play in the ps2 which they have fix even before the slim came out lol. After reading this and possibly 1000 other commets and ur still leaning towards the xbox thats all u but my main conclusion is why pay more for featers that should be free for instince the internet and a reliable system (PS3) intead of the xbox (red ring of death) so plz take this facts into consideration and still choose the system right for you!
Can’t believe I read most of the fan-boy flame war that followed this article. Looks like the author’s statement that “fanboy crap will not remotely be tolerated” was something of a bluff.
Anyhow, I was looking for both a media extender/hub and a blu-ray player with gaming considered a bonus (I spent too much on a PC last fall and get solid gaming from it already), so for me PS3 was the way to go (the price drop naturally made the decision as to when to buy a little easier). I do like the 360 as well though and might pick one up if I find I have the funds, but on the other hand I don’t like being a mass consumer, as these consoles will all end up in landfills eventually. Maybe a friend will exchange systems for a while or something like that.
I’m not going to comment on much of the content in the article. I own both consoles and each has its own advantages and disadvantages. As far as online play, the 360 wins hands down. Another thing worth noting, and I have superb internet connection, both consoles are wired from the same router so I know it has nothing to do with that, but when downloading any type of content the PS3 is much slower. The load times on a PS3 are also much longer than those on the 360.
I couldn’t comment on the download speed on the 360, but my PS3 downloads at the full speed of my internet connection, & it’s on wireless. I’ve been hearing this PS3 slow download rumour on & off for months now, but I’ve never experienced it.
I can comment here.
I’ve heard it a fair amount from people with both consoles, but try downloading a large file of a similar size through each online service and see which downloads faster. Every time I do that, the 360 is noticeably faster.
Except when I’ve used all my downloads and am getting shaped. Then they’re both unbearably slow and it takes like half a day for a full game download to go up another percentage point.
I have had a PS3 for a year and i loved it, but last weekend I got an Arcade for me in my room so I won’t have to share a gaming system with my brother like I do with my PS3. So, in other words, I don’t have a favorite. They r both good :)
I stick to the PS3, because I grew up with the PS1 and PS2. Don`t have any clue about hardware and stats, and I don`t care. But I agree that XBOXLIVE is way ahead of the Playstation Network
In my oppinion,both consoles have their advantages,and which one is better depends on what you plan to do with it.You want challenge and a good network,then Xbox is for you,you want Single Player and home cinema,you’ll choose the PS3.It’s up to you which one you’ll buy,of course,you can buy both,but,when it comes to reliability and confidence that my console won’t break down after a month,I stick to the PS3,because I just want to enjoy my games and my movies without fearing overheating or RROD,but it’s only my perspective,and each one can choose what they are interested in.
He left out a whole bunch on the ps3… The ps3 does have trophies now basically a copy off the achievments on the 360. And thier is ALOT more game of the years and bestsellers on the ps3 then he listed he just put more on 360 so it looks better… and the ps3 is now 300$ for the 120GB Slim line edition on Gamestop! he is just taking sides and not doing his research.
Hey, uh, I don’t know if you BOTHERED to look at the date he published, but this was put out at the BEGINNING of the year. Stop being a fanboy and do YOUR research before whining that someone’s being unfair.
Look I think the author did fine on the games list with what was present AT THE TIME! The article was written in January!
And the slim came out last month! I’m sure he’ll do a 2010 version looking back at 2009. That seems to be his style.
Just so you know I’m not an xbox fanboy. I actually have a PS3 I love but its not fair to accuse the author of something he didn’t do. I can’t read the future, can you?
As of today, and when this article was written (February-ish?) A lot of things appeared and unexpected. If you put yourself At February, then this is the mind set. It is now September, so 7 months later, of course this article will not have the latest updates.
the article was written January 12, 2009. he wouldn’t have known those things
David, did you read the article? I’ve read all three of the publications from the last 3 years and I thought the author was an XBOX fan until at the end of this publication he admitted that he prefers to play games on the PS3. He’s not an XBOX homer. He’s obviously an analytical personality (who clearly hates white noise, which is usually a sign of an ANALytical which I happen to be also) which is why he gave such a comprehensive report on the two systems and you’re looking at it through a PS3-lover’s glasses.
I am looking into buying a system for the first time right now and have no preferences either way, I just want the best system. There are good arguments for both systems and it comes down to what you’re looking for.
he wrote the article on jan 12, 2009.
elpresador is gay
I whole heartedly agree that elpresador is gay. However, a friend of mine has a sneaking suspicion that he’s just a troll and I must admit, he does seem to be… As for the systems, I can’t pick between the two. I keep agonizing over which one I prefer, and I can never choose one for too long.
Isn’t he that dude not taking console wars seriously on youtube vids?
Unless he’s done something new which I haven’t seen as my net connection’ll be getting shaped for a while, I find the guy hilarious.
Sometimes trolling is stupidly funny.
thanks dude, I was having trouble Picking…. but the problem is that I bought a 360 because my freinds all had one… then the PS3 slim came out for 300$?? its just as much as a 360 but now I dont know if I should sell it or keep it. HELPZ ME!!!
look if your a collage boy and want good gaming,i say that you and your friends all gather money and buy the PS3 slim,if you like the God of war,killzone uncharted………I have a 360 and my friend has a PS3 big,and I love god of war 3,and when i saw a PS3 slim for 300 i though ill buy it with the god of war bundle,so you know my answer,hope it helps,and i think both consoles rule
Victor: Screw your friends with the 360s, they have taken the wrong path. Return it and bring home a real modern day multimedia system.
Pfft, you can’t get a decent PC for that price!
Unless you wanted multimedia without gaming in which case there might be a cheap linux box with mplayer for around about that price.
Victor,
If you don’t mind paying for the Live Gold Account, & you spend a lot of your gaming time online with your friends then a PS3 will just alienate your gaming & you’ll be stuck playing games with strangers or not online at all (suits me fine).
Don’t get me wrong, I like the PS3, don’t have a 360 & don’t want one, but you’ve got to weigh up how you use the console.
If you don’t play online with your mates or begrudge paying the live fee then a PS3 could be for you. Especially with the price cut, GT5, Uncharted 2, & God of War III on the way. There’s already shed loads of good games out for both consoles so think what games you want to play & how you want to interact with other people online before making a decision.
david
Are u aware it was written very long ago. Dont go around saying how inaccurate it is. In addition yes for that time period Xbox360 did have alot more popular games than PS3
I personally prefer the 360. However the ps3 is definitely a good console as well. I haven’t tried Playstation Network, so I don’t know if it’s any good or not. Xbox live is simply fantastic. It’s fun, entertaining and gives a gamer a superb online experience. Anyone with a 360 who has not tried it, I think it’s about time to. The marketplace is also very cool.
Both are great why do you have to choose. although im getting tired of the ps3 wireless connection. it always seems to give me problems. cant wait for gt5 the full game.
My 12 year-old son has a PS2 and plays mostly sports games but also likes Call of Duty and games like that.
We need help in selecting a PS3 or the 360. He doesn’t really have an interest in playing online at this time but I’m sure as he gets older he will. Although we have HD tv’s we don’t have the HD cable so I’m not sure if that makes a difference. Any thoughts are appreciated!
Take him into a store and see which console’s games rack has more titles he wants to play. Also make sure to check news online for any price cuts or bundle deals, and I’d personally greatly recommend getting a HD cable for either console as they can both look pretty bad on many standard definition displays, to the point where you might even get eye strain trying to read smaller text or make out finer detail. Thankfully, third party HD cables tend to be quite cheap these days. =D
The PS3 is mainly for the adults who don’t have too many friends to play with online. The xbox360 is for the younger population, in which they play more “social” games to play with their friends online. Honestly, the absolute largest titles for video games carry a heavy focus on online gaming. That is why halo continues to be the most played game to this day; it’s online play is superb. When you play games like Metal Gear Solid you never want to play again once it’s beaten, although I must admit it was fun while it lasted. To put it simple, the xbox is more popular because of the exclusive games it produces and their massive replay value.
Anthony…
You obviously don’t own a PS3.
Wii is the kiddy system. Xbox and PS are played by adults. I have plenty of friends on PSN. My friends list is full. They range in age of 17 to 65.
Pfft, Wii’s for old farts like me that never got over the superior console gaming of the past. SNES, GENESIS and NEO-GEO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!
It’s also for fans of Various Nintendo franchises. Zelda, Metroid and Smash Bros. aren’t just franchises you can scoff at. Add House of the Dead: Overkill, Mad World and a few other maturer games and you have a nice system.
It’s just not as advanced as it’s competitors…
Out of curiousity, how many friends before a PSN friends list is full?
I remember when I used to play it online it was 50 or 100 or something, but recently I’ve only been using mine for offline exclusives.
I’ve had an xbox360 for 2 years now, and when I bought it, ps3 was both expensive and with a lot fewer games on it. So there was no option back then. But standing today, I think I might’ve gone fr the PS3(though I hate admitting it cause I hav been a staunch supporter fr xbox360 all this while). Its not only cause of the new lower price but also cause of the blue ray disc player. I m not much of an online player and even with the xbox I mostly stuck to the story mode. But having said all tht, the fact remains, tht xbox 360 still has far more titles and has a better library of game titles than the PS3. And I cudn’t do without GOW.
P.S. I didn’t know tht RROD was an inevitability…Holy Crapin Crap…!!!!!!!!
I was a fanboy of the Xbox for a long while. I never truly gave the PS a fair shot nor did I want to. I played it and felt that it was not for me; simple. Then they dropped the 360 and I was HOOKED! Sure, I went through 4 systems since it’s release and I do not regret a single purchase made for it.
My cousin was always a Sony fanboy, the arguments of which system is better STILL go on between us to this very day but we both have each system now and that is the very reality. There does not honestly exist a “better” system, yet preference is all any of us have.
I can continue to press my overall views of why I enjoy the Xbox 360 over my PS3 all day but the reality comes down to the user. Each of us differ in our own unique way, as each of us require different things from the games we play, how we play them and with whom. Do I enjoy a good verbal bout between the two? Yes! Does it change the fact that I won’t continue to purchase games for both systems (based on MY requirements) at the time? No!
Bottomline is simple, they are BOTH systems which come with controllers that ultimately connect all of us. We are GAMERS in this society with no right or wrong answers as to what WE enjoy at the end of the day. It’s not the “graphics, gameplay, network, movies or even the price”; from the time we hold that “X” or “Ps” button to power on until the moment we do the same to shut it down, WE are taken to and through worlds unknown to us in reality on a day to day. We play hard and we play to WIN, if not just for the fun!
So do I love my 360? Yes! Do I love my PS3? Yes! Not because of what was put in each system but what I get out of each system! The Experience!
The ps3is starting to really blossom. The exclusives are incredible like infamous gow 3 gran turismo littlebigplanet resistance 2 MAG and more. I’ve played xbl and psn and couldn’t tell a difference, they are both great online… But the ps3 has room to grow, the xbox 360 is maxed out already. The failure rate on ps3 is 2 percent and on the 360 it’s now at 54, seriously go to wikipedia and look for yourself. In the end the Playstation 3 is the better choice. P.s. Elpresador kicks ass
There’s a HUGE difference in the user experience of XBL and PSN.
Granted, much of it may be cosmetic, but cross game voice chatting and more features better integrated into the user interface is enough for most I know to contrast the two services. Oh and half the PS3 games you mentioned aren’t out yet. I’d know as I’m interested in all three of the ones I’m talking about. GT, MAG and GOW3.
Wikipedia, lulz.
Trouble with wikipedia is any sources (including irreputable ones) can be used and anyone can edit it. I could edit in that the Wii is made of Swiss cheese if I wanted to.
P.S. Evidence that the 360 is maxed out already or assertation is completely ignored.
PS3 failure rates are not that low i think the one you stated must be the Wii. The Ps3 failure rate is between 8 to 14%. yeh Xbox does have good features. OF course it should be better you have to fork out about $100 dollars every year for it so of course it should be better. In additon to this Xbox is a great console but i still prefer PS3 but for RPGsso far xbox all the way.
Valdious, something I find hilarious is that I’m a total RPG fanboy and went from PS2 to 360 because of the RPGs, but my mate is a shooter nut and went from Xbox to PS3 for some of the shooters (also sports games as he HATES playing FIFA and similar with anything other than a PS style gamepad).
Total reversal there.
i personally own all but yeh in general most old sports games is better on the xbox360 this is due to game manufacturers being lazy and porting it from Xbox360. I seem to rather play shooters on my PS3 but xbox is great for flight simulator games i find. In addition Xbox controllers alot more ergonomically designed but i still rather use PS3 controllers. Also Xbox is a great console but i seem to favor my ps3 more. lol my mates ps3 died his blinds blocked the vents both inflow and outflow so the thing overheated and killed itself.
I hate the xbox 360 controllers. While they are a huge improvment over last gen they are still to big and intimidating.
I like the PS3 simply because I bought one and don’t want to shell out any more cash for another system. I have a Wii and honestly that is all I need, but I went crazy one day and I decided I wanted a blu-ray player, so the PS3 was the obvious choice. Now I have been playing Little Big Planet and am awaiting several other games. There are so many games I want to play on the PS3. The only exclusive game on the X360 I would like to play is Fable II. Other than that I’m really more of a PC guy. I am sure that some day I’ll get an X360, but then again I didn’t get an Xbox until the X360 came out.
So personally I like both. I have a PS3 that I love. Killzone 2 still blows me away. Infamous is incredible! The multiplatforom games I’ve played run awesome on the PS3. But most importantly, I have piece of mind of the reliability of my PS3. It has a low failure rate, runs extremely cool, and runs quietly. The 360 in contrast has has many hardware problems including the RROD which I believe was the worst consumer electronics failure rate in history. BUT….I can’t help myself want an xbox to set next to my PS3 for 2 reasons: Halo and 2 player online. I miss Halo and with ODST and the Fall of reach around the corner, an xbox sounds more and more tempting. I love playing my PS3 but honestly why no 2 player online? Why?!?! I get sick of the same old R6V2, Resistance, COD5, etc. If I had an xbox my friend and I could play Halo 2 and 3 online and campaign, and both Gears, etc.
In summary, I’d probably choose the PS3 slightly more because piece of mind is super important to me and dang I love Killzone 2′s online! The way it slows everyone’s movements to equalize the play and add realism and the way Warzone is so effectively done keeps me coming back for more. But I do admit I’d love to have a 360 and it has some incredible features that make it the great console it is. I just think the PS3 slightly takes the cake.
Oh one more thing on the topic of controllers:
I get over and over said to me the xbox controller is just more comfortable. I do agree, BUT there are 2 issues I have with it. 1. The bumpers are a poor design. I have several friends with 360 controllers that have broken bumpers from prolonged use. 2. The trigger has a really long pull! In Halo 3 on my friends find myself accidently ceasing to fire simply because I barely let off the trigger pull. In contrast the PS3′s controller has short top triggers used for shooters and long pull bottom ones for racing etc. and it works very effectively. PLUS the PS3 controllers have a built in battery with an incredibly long life and the console comes with a small non-discrete cord to charge it. Overall I don’t think the comfort of the 360′s controller makes up for its lack of rechargeable batteries (initially), poorly designed bumpers, and long trigger pull. That’s my opinion. Take it or leave it.
I respect your opinion but for me, the Xbox 360 is still the best console out there. The notorious Red Ring of Death isn’t really a problem now because with the new Jasper chip, the chances of getting a Red Ring is below 8% (well if you’re an addicted gamer who plays the 360 20 hours a day it doesn’t matter what chipset your Xbox 360 has because it will really have a high chance of getting the Red Ring of Death). Like you, I’m also more of an offline player because honestly, i feel very awkward whenever i play with people I dont know (please dont take this against me). I prefer playing with my friends and cousins instead of playing online so I dont really care about the Xbox Live vs. Playstation Network thingy that’s going on. Anyway, thanks. Great article.
I just got the RROD last night for my 360. I am still under the warranty, so it will be repaired, but it is making me think about selling the system for dirt cheap. I don’t play it a ton anymore, and I am thinking about a Blu-Ray player. I do like to occasionally play games online, so it would be helpful to know how good the servers are for PSN.
I am really on the fence about sticking with the 360 or moving on to PS3. I mostly play sports games on 360, so I don’t think I would be missing much in terms of game catalog. I like the Wii, but not having a DVD player is a deal breaker.
Any thoughts?
Honestly if you want Blu-ray along with a gaming package, no hassles, and piece of mind I would go with the PS3. I have one and have loved it. I have no problem with PSN. The connections for me have been good and its been fairly straight forward. I’m not super into chatting with friends so the so called “weak” messaging and invite system on PSN doesn’t bother me. Its also free which is nice if your only going to play once in awhile. I do however desire to get a 360. This stems from wanting Halo and more 2 player games. But between the two, the PS3 wins in reliability, features, longevity, etc. My one warning is this: If your looking for a blu-ray player the only complaint about the PS3 as one I’ve heard is that you’ll need a bluetooth remote if you don’t want to use the controller. not a huge deal for one of the best blu-ray players on the market, but something to consider. Overall I think the PS3 will deliver beyond your expectations and although I want both consoles, if I was stuck with one I’d want it to be the PS3. But best wishes with your decision.
Blake,
Thanks for the advice. The remote won’t be a problem since I will get the Harmony Remote Ir Plugin for the remote I already have.
I am pretty much sold on the PS3 since games like LittleBigPlanet and Afrika look so freaking awesome.
Ya no problem! The exclusives really do look awesome. Killzone 2 graphics especially will blow your mind away. And trust me you have to play it to appreciate all the effects. For some reason, screenshots just don’t do remotely do it justice. But I really do think you’ll love yyour PS3! Enjoy! :)
@BullyBrown
Well said buddy. I couldn’t have put it better myself. In the end, the experience of gaming is what matters. The pure joy of going through a game is what makes both consoles awesome. Nothing beats the adrenaline rush and sweaty palms you get just when you are about to get to a check point or a certain destination within the game.
We as Gamers might have our own preferences, but still, its our love for gaming that brings us here.
Oh, but the RROD thing is still freakin me out.
Easy way around all this, is do what i did and get both.
I think that both are good. I think the graphics are basically the same but the PS3 has slightly better on its exclusive games. The LIVE is much better than the PSN but PSN is free. THE PS3 WORKED OUT CHEAPER FOR ME. The PS3 cost £299.99 The xbox cost £199.99 at the time. £40 for xbox live for one year, £0 for PSN for one year. PS3- 299.99 Xbox – 239.99. £60 for wireless adapter for Xbox- £0 PS3 wireless. Xbox- 299.99 PS3- £299.99. Rechargeable battery Packs for Xbox-£? but the PS3 is £0 so PS3 is cheaper. Also i dislike the points system as it makes you buy more then you want for an item whereas the PS3 lets you pay exactly what you want. Also the Xbox controller hurts my hands after a while, red rings got my mate and i have een lovely circular scratches on Xbox Disks. One more pet hate is the way that you sync controllers on the Xbox.
BUT IT IS WHAT EVER YOU LIKE just remeber that the Xbox makes up the money later on.
I just hate how few points I get for my money. I mean sure, I’m getting a ton of awesome stuff fairly cheap, but there’s just way too much stuff.
I’ve filled 120gb hard drives with downloadable games and I still don’t have all the good stuff. Hard drives + point cards have probably set me back a few grand. But then to me, being able to play several great retail titles and a ton of arcade/xbox originals straight off the hard drive with easy switching and the ability to play music as the background music of ANY title with a few button presses rules. Especially after a busy night of work when I just want to kick back and relax…
Still my argument might not be as powerful in some other countries. I’ve heard the PSN of some regions is crawling with downloadable titles almost to the point of the same region’s XBLA, but here in Australia, we get jack on PSN. I could probably make an international account and download titles like that, but I do recall hearing international downloaded PSX games won’t work, DLC from a different region to a game won’t work… urggghh.
I’ve very likely mentioned it before, but if you’re not minding spending grandiose amounts of cash on your consoles, nothing beats a good 360 setup in terms of game library size, conveniant features and peripherals. It’s partially why when people bring up PS3′s price as a disadvantage I’m very inclined to laugh. Unless they’re a budget gamer or something…
But yeah, if you’re strapped for cash, a PS3 is a great all in one multimedia solution. =D
hey i had the 60gb version of the xbox 360 and i kept it for 10 months but by then i was bored…whilst the console cots about £200 the games are muich more expensive and to play online it cost £35 a year over in the 10 onths i had it i spent £1750 on it and that was just 1 console-11 games- and some accesories….also i played for about 10am till past midnight so i realised the xbxo was a bad choice for me because of the problem with overheating……i now have the ps3 slim 120gb and i think its far superior you can get nearly all the same titles for ps3 as u can for 360 and the ps3 exclusives are better than 360 exclusives…..and to dopwnload things u simply pay by credit card whereas with the 360 u had to go to town and buy a card then come home scratch off the card type in the number then w8 for it to be processed…toooo long!
ps3 is a much better choice because no matter what anyone says whilst 360′s online mode is better the ps3′s online is still perfectly fine….
overall xbox360=7.5/10 ps3=9.5/10
lol, you *can* pay for MS points via credit card. You actually get more points for doing so. In the US, they’ve even made it so you can use Paypal if you want.
And I don’t know where you are, but over here a new PS3 game costs the same as a new Xbox 360 game. It might very well differ by region, but as far as I know, pricing seems pretty consistent. PC versions and sometimes Wii versions can sometimes be cheaper on release though. =D
Everyone 1 know has ps3, and this article last year helped me pick the same. I think it should be known that now with a free add-on you play all ps2 games on your ps3 now, I don’t post just to make a correction, iwas wonderimg if someone could explain to me why everyone saya the online for x-box is better. I don’t have a problem finding my friends online & when it comes down to it you log on and play games, what’s the difference besides ps3 being free.
That addon only works for some older consoles, and it might be further limited to certain regions. I cannot find that update browsing on my new PS3 Slim (might just be Australia, but a lot of vids of getting the update have a ton of people crying foul in comments) and according to Sony itself, BC is not supported in newer models, nor do they plan on re-introducing it in the foreseeable future as apparently people are buying PS3s solely for PS3 games and blu-ray playback.
As for differences in online, you really have to play the two for a while. I can’t go back to PS3 online after getting frustrated with some of the omitted features I take for granted on XBL. Still waiting on the cross game chat that some Sony peep said was coming ages ago…
i grew up playing sega and never fancied the nintendo. i owned both the ps and ps2. then i gave up on console games. last year i got a custom gaming pc which cost me about US$2500 and i must admitt it really kicks the consoles butt any day, i upgraded the mother board and got an i7 processor and an nvidia gtx 280 1gb graphics card. i want a console because console games are released more often and there are more titles on console than on pc. the problem am having is choosing which console to go to that will not greatly disappoint me coz i know i cant compare any of the consoles to my pc. please help!
What are you looking for exactly in a console? Give us some game genres and hardware features you’d prefer.
One thing I think you might like whichever console you choose being a Sega fan is the Genesis Collection/Megadrive Collection which has a great number of Sega classics included. Look that one up for sure. =D
I was wondering which console to buy and I stubled into your article (actually articles including the older ones). It was a great help, especially since I know absolutely squat about the technical stuff of video games. I head heard about the problems with earlier xbox models, which was why I was considering the more expensive ps3.
Your article was very clear and objective, differentiating between fact and opinion, and it was a real big help in my decision making. Thanks.
Stop moaning and just play the feckin things.
It seems to me that the whole concept of what the leader in gaming can be conceded by department. Graphically the 360 GPU is the winner. That being said, some of the devs have stated that the Cell can supplement the GPU in ways that conventional processors can’t. So this makes them possibly equal. I understand that the game Infamous utilitzes the cell for a different purpose, !!!! THE ENVIRONMENT !!!! By using the Cell’s capabilities the game allows the environment to be more real in the sense of how it can be used and manipulated. No claim there in graphics. The point I am making is simple, Sony said the PS3 was gonna revolutionize games. Maybe this is what they were talking about. As far as I have seen in the past no game has ever had that much life in it. Sure things could be more real and prettier. That can wait for the next gen console. I am a believer in the cell and what it will do to engulf the gamer in a reactive environment. The XBOX 360 is still an excellent graphics machine with great games. I just preferred the PS 3 mainly due to the fact that I fear what will happen to games if MS takes the whole lot of them. Imagine if there was no competiton on either PC or Consoles. We might not see these great advancements. Also note that MS is know for rushing things to beat a market to death. OS and console releases have been dismal as of late with the DX failing miserably and the RROD. This is due to rushing to production and not being attentive to quality in the engineering stages. Sony started to develop the PS3 before MS was the 360 as noted in several IBM tech interviews, as they used Sony’s cell as a guide to “beat them”. It is poor business on the part of both IBM and MS in that repsect. And then you have Sony making sure that the PS3 is nigh impossible to fully use by devs. Sure it is possible, but why be stingy with that mule. So you be the judge. Will your support MS and their way of business or will you support that stubborn Sony and their way of business. Hopefully they can just kick themselves by looking at the success of the Wii and move in the right direction next time without the wickedness and lets get to the real issue. How do we get butts in the seats and keep them there? They don’t have to be kissing cousins, just remember whom you serve and try and serve them reliable and enjoyable gaming.
@silver
am more interested in racing games and sport games like soccer and basketball and action games. for hardware am just interested in something that will give me a good graphic quality and a fast enough processor….
Both the 360 and PS3 will deliver nice graphics and processing.
As for racing games, I’d probably look at footage for the newest Gran Tourismo on the PS3 and the newest Forza on the 360 to see which looks the most promising to you.
And as for sport games, I don’t play many personally, but my mate’s a big fan of soccer games and swears by the PS3′s controller for them. In his own words the 360 controller is ‘tits for Fifa’.
Hope that’s been some help, but hopefully others that really know their sport games will also chime in.
I had a PS1 then PS2 and was hell bent on getting a PS3 when I heard of it’s release and had absolutely no intention of bothering with the 360. Then I played both consoles and immediately changed my mind! The PS3 interface left me cold whilst the Xbox interface (even the old version) just seemed more intuitive and less dull! I then played assasins creed on both consoles and again the PS3 left me cold whilst the Xbox seemed more vibrant to play. The controller of 360 also felt more like a gamer controller rather than the light fluffy playstation controller! So that left me in a right quandry but felt that the 360 had the edge on the PS3 (which I was initialy gutted at being a playstation fanboy) and bought the 360 Elite which looks less toy like than the premium etc but somehow also seems quiter than the the other 360 versions. I bought this over a year ago and have played the thing into the ground with absolutely no sign of the RROD but then I do keep it clean and in a well ventilated environment ie keep it cool! It’s so easy to play and chat online with friends easy to download games, I loved the 100 – 1 beta game playing a quiz show live in my livingroom loving Halo ODST Fallout 3 was Awesome GTA IV was awesome as is the 360 only addition of lost and damned.Very glad I went for the 360 over PS3. As for the lack of Blue Ray drive for HD films, I think MS have probably got it right with making it easy to stream HD films as I’m fairly certain we’re not far away from making the DVD drive obsolete now that you can download full 360 online etc in no time at all. All this from a PS3 devotee!
Graphically there is very little difference between the two. It is the little things people are picking at that make one “better”. Talking about the interface, I have not used the 360 enough to say anything about its design. The PS3 is based on the XMB that is present in all of their electronics that have access to screens. It makes since to do it that way from the marketing point of view. They are saying’ “Hey! If you can run the tv we’ve made you can run the camera, PSP, PS3, and whatever else you can think of.” Indeed it isn’t silk but when I’m gaming or watching movies it has no effect on the experience. Also this setup has minimal effect on system memory while running in the background. I can’t say what xbox’s interface takes up in system resources.
Another thing that is thrown around is system bandwidth. The 360 PR is that it has 5 times the bandwidth of the PS3. This is not even close to true. I will say there is one target area that has it. The daughter die and the EDRAM are linked at 256 gb/s of bandwidth. This will not help the processor to gpu speed of 10.8 gb/s x2. The point here is why tell the tale. It will not come to fruition on screen and they may become “the hated” among gamers. This information comes from http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1458/The-Power-of-the-Xbox-360-GPU/p2/ This is an XBOX site, so here is admition to a fable of this supposed power. In the end all its speed is not so needed in the PS3 due to the resolution differences. If you want better graphics on the PS3 you just design without upscaling at 1920 x 1080 screens. If you want that on XBOX you have to run no higher than 1280 x 720 with the fixin’s. All of this has been blown overboard by 4 PR staff groups (MS, Sony, ATi, nVidia).
Hope this can open the gate for some realistic arguments and not fanboy sentiment. Either way happy gaming whether it be on any console.
I thought their design choice to directly link the GPU to the CPU’s L2 cache was part of their performance boasts?
And if you want to throw out practical examples, people say Killzone 2 is the most beautiful game on the PS3, correct? What is the native resolution of the game, what is the frame rate, and perhaps most devasting of all, how does the resolution of the textures compare with an outdated 360 game like Halo 3? I’m suggesting you look it up yourself just so you can see my words aren’t bullshit.
And with that, I rest my case.
@ Monkeh
Streaming is a smart idea. It is useless now though with more than 50% of the world’s population living in zone’s with less than adequate ISP speeds. This makes that idea only good in some areas. This subject was actually talked about on the news. In South Africa I believe they sent an e-mail to a location 2 hours away, the same message was sent by a slew of pegions and the pegions were there first. Imagine downloading a movie. Sure that is an extreme but it is true here in the midwest. Most speed around here is luck to reach 5 megabit per second. And better yet, to download here you also have to be lucky to not get timed out. Ohhh yes, they don’t keep up with the times here in either optics and/or the equipment to stream all the data. I play an online pc mmorpg and lag out constantly. Even more so recently. AT&T sucks around here. We get routed all around just to get anywhere. I ran a trace and I sent a packet to Houston from KC to the east coast then to the southeast then to the midwest again then to dallas then finally houston. It was like 68 ms ping with a small packet. Larger data would more than likely slow me down some more. I downloaded a game one time that was ~2 GB and it took around 6 hours. I don’t know about anyone else but that will not suffice this streaming and download generation idea. I am positive in the cities where ISP’s are in competition you can. At least there you can feel like they give a d***. Also note that PS3 can download movies and tv shows as well now. I just can see paying for tv though.
LOL 6 hours and it sounds like you live in the US.
Might want to check your net settings or get a new provider as I live in rural Australa, have crap internet access as better net ain’t available to me and I can still get a 5-7gb xbox 360 game fully downloaded within a couple hours (unless I’ve used my downloads and am being shaped in which case I’ll just wait until the next month before I resume downloading. Usually only happens when I get greedy and go for several large games a month).
Digital distribution IS the future. Look at how the mainstream home consoles allow the downloading of full version commercial titles. Look at the PSPGo. On my xbox 360 alone I’ve downloaded over 150 games including over 10 Xbox Originals and a handful of Xbox 360 games. On a rural Australian connection. Hell, don’t get me started on my Wii Virtual console games collection…
And the net of most countries’ll probably improve with time. Even Australia with it’s at times backwards politicions is getting decent net within the next few years if some politicions weren’t being full of crap.
I originally wanted a PS3 as an upgrade to my PS2, but availability forced me to buy a 360 instead. I have never regretted this decision. Online features and game selection on Xbox are awesome. MS’ proprietary nature really pisses me off on the other hand. They force you to buy only their products – if you want them (HDD, Mem Card, Wireless Adapter). After the price drop I bought a PS3 Slim, and love it too. It is whisper quiet, which is a HUGE difference from the 360. I see no significant difference in video quality between the two. NetFlix streams HD content whenever available, which looks pretty much exactly like Blu Ray. As far as I’m converned Blu Ray is over-rated. HD is HD. Unless you have really sharp eyes, you’re not going to notice. Still waiting on exclusive titles for PS3 like GOW3 and Uncharted 2. They are both great systems, and can only get better.
I never stated killzone 2 in anyway was the greatest. In truth I can say that the Uncharted 2 is far superior in the edge detail and lighting. Look at the sight here. http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1458/The-Power-of-the-Xbox-360-GPU/p2/
If the developer of the technology says this is what is going on then it must be. Given that the GPU must do it all after the processor gives it the money, I would say their is plenty of limitation there. Not that it will matter in the 720p era anyway, it is my opinion that they have overhyped the GPU’s relationship to dominance. The gpu is a great idea and will do some smashing things in PC’s where there will be a plethora of resources that can utilize it. The 360 has the graphics but as you look at what the games are going to, this is not the direction of most desire. We are seeking a realistic interaction with the environment. inFamous is a perfect example. Don’t get me wrong, the story of it is not that great but you can get with it in the mix of all your surroundings. The first game I can remeber with any level of environment existence (other than just seeing it), was Assassin’s Creed. The characters can climb on everything in the future. inFamous allows you to use even the power lines and light poles, etc, etc. This is not new so much, but we will see more of it in all the games hopefully. Action for sure. This is where PS3 supposedly can crush the 360. I can’t prove it so I ain’t gonna try but watch the inFamous dev video, it had their somewhat biased ring about this whole environment interaction bit. BTW I hated Halo a long time b4 the PS3 as it was all my friends wanted to do. I like games that require more than a knowledge of terrain and weapon placement.(talking the online bull hockey) If you like it, great. I have the rpgs to keep me busy trying to make new combos and all that noise. Can’t wait for FFXIII. Also in my post about ISP, its either AT&T or a local cable company, or a plethora of wireless ISP’s whom can’t even figure out the equipment. I actually worked for the local government, and one of the wireless ISP installers couldn’t figure out why his meger 1 watt amp was having trouble putting a signal through a 100 foot tall lime filled steel silo. He had no line of sight and the signal was being sent to a tower only 150 feet tall. Plenty of trees and structures between us and the tower (which was about 2 miles away). I called the dudes boss and told him they had drilled about 3 different cables into the building and that our roof was sure to have leaks. He asked me what I thought they should do. I told him to move the damn antenna on the roof about 50 feet to the west to open a line of sight (that year in Industrial Electric might have paid off). It worked without any problems after that. If that is not the indication of a horrible ISP, I don’t know what is. : )
Final note: if you like it, get it, if you don’t like what you got get the other. If you are still not content visit http://www.tigerdirect.com or http://www.newegg.com and whip out your wallet and build you some kind of nasty pc. And if you are still not happy, attend anyone of your local Computer Science college classes or maybe even a couple of electrical engineering classes and make something to please your picky a**. : )
Finally someone who knows the technical details. =D
And a more powerful GPU is nothing to scoff at, especially when it’s what many people use as their argument for superiority. Both consoles can allow environmental interaction, Assassin’s creed which you mentioned is multiplatform. But I do believe hearing that if you have a lot of smaller things, the cell’s power can be better utilised. Unfortunately I haven’t really seen any mind boogling examples yet…
As for Halo, I’m not really a fan of the singleplayer myself. Tried to play it once, not really my thing. The multiplayer can be fun though if you stick to playing with a group not containing any mouthy kids. FFXIII I’ll probably get on both consoles as it’s another of the games I’ll want to have a working copy of in the future and with stingy BC from most people of late, the more chance I have of playing it on future consoles, the better.
As for PC gaming, I used to be a total PC gamer once upon a time, but now I’m too lazy to have to keep everything up to date and stuff. That and most of my fave games will run on any old budget PC. ;)
I worked for the local government here briefly. Boring job but brilliant superannuation scheme. The trouble with them (possibly yours, I got no clue though) is that they’re forced to use whichever contractors the higher people in government want even if there are cheaper and more qualified people elsewhere. It’s a vicious system. For the home though, you get to pick your provider and people to set up your net access/wireless network for you (I prefer to do as much as I can myself) and if I live in rural Australia which is known for having crap access, I’m sure you could hunt something down that works quite well. I recommend asking your local buddies who they’re with and if they’re good or not. Easy enough to do and it can give you some amazing results. :)
http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digital-foundry-killzone-2-480p-vs-576p-vs-720p-performance-analysis
Is that the vid you might be referring too on this damning information about KZ 2?
What exactly is wrong with it? Looks stable enough and I see the 720 P line is actually higher than the oddball 576p line. Seems like they limited it to 30 frams/per second. I can’t conceive of a need for more speed actually as with movies on the Blu-Ray the systems run at only 24 fps. Thats locked in so if that is bad, I guess we got hosed. Granted the movie isn’t being rendered, but the image is ever changing and at 24 frames it looks good to me and most of the world I presume. Check out this side by analysis. It shows how close they can be in fps and visuals. 1080p http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-sacred-2-1080p-performance-analysis 720p http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-sacred-2-720p-performance-analysis I still think things are more aligned to devs right now and not so much the consoles. What do you think?
No, I was just looking through some developer blogs after reading how awesome Killzone 2 was looking and seeing some flaws I’d seen in last-gen games, even if they’d been masked very well. That led to me finding some of the technical information and then I was laughing at several absurd claims I was seeing.
Considering some of it’s rivals are running at 1080 with 60 fps, it’s really not that mindblowing for me. I love some of the tricks used to get Killzone 2 looking good, don’t get me wrong, but the fact they were needed shows me the PS3 does have it’s very noticeable limitations.
I would agree that things might be more aligned to devs right now in general, but when you have a developer developing exclusively for a console and they dedicate as much time as was dedicated to KIllzone 2, it wouldn’t be a large step to assume the developers were beginning to push the console’s capabilities.
What rivals of Killzone 2 are running at 60 fps? I mean seriously? PC games maybe. I wouldn’t doubt Halo 3 might be able to due to its low screen resolution. But I think anyone that talks Killzone 2′s graphics in numbers are nuts. You need to play the freakin game. It looks so incredible and the lighting beats any console game I’ve seen so far. Killzone 2′s graphics aren’t all about textures, although I’d tend to say the textures are pretty dang good. Screenshots looking terrible, but the motion of playing the game and all the commotion going on in the physics engine blow your mind. And playing it at 30fps doesn’t bother me because they mask it with motion blur etc. In actuality these drain the hardware resources even more so one could argue that its part of the reason it runs at 30fps. The experience at 30fps is good enough you don’t care if its 60fps!
No one is saying that KZ2 isn’t a great looking game. We are more or less talking about the way it is being immortilized by the fanboy mentality. It is certainly good but to really compare it with anything is futile. I could easily say that Uncharted 2 is better but its all opinion there. I have played KZ2′s demo. I will not be buying it. Not due to graphics or anything, I’m just not a shoot ‘em up bang bang kinda guy. As I stated, all Blu-Ray movies (at least in the US) are run at 24 hz which translates to 24 images per second. I have a hard time seeing any problems with that so I feel the whole “it has got to be 60 fps” bit is a bit over played and truly a waste of power. All games should be set up with some kind of limitation on that to allow the poor gpu a rest. On my pc, I actually limit the card through the vertical sync so it isn’t out displaying the monitors refresh rate. I mean why have the card render something I will never see anyway? But anyhow, as I said KZ2 looks amazing, but I wouldn’t say the best.
Well Blake, the fastest similar level competitor I know of is Gears 2 which runs between 30 and 60fps constantly and has more detailed textures. On a technical level that merits superiority, even if the end result mightn’t look quite as polished (my personal theory on that is development time, Killzone 2 took quite a deal longer to develop and with more time comes more smaller perfections that might otherwise be overlooked).
I’ve played the ‘freakin’ game and the lighting is craptastic technically. In some instances it’s burnt on textures rather than rendered real time and real time light rendering isn’t exactly new.
Some of us use our consoles for things other than video. I myself prefer to hook up my consoles to a nice LCD screen where possible, rather than a television. If you want to get practical rather than technical, try playing a 60fps game Like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, and then switch to a sub-30fps game like Killzone 2. The difference is quite noticeable and I don’t just mean input lag-wise. Sub 30fps you might ask? Well yeah, sometimes Killzone 2 drops to the early 20s…
As for currently released games that run at 60fps, most latter CoD games (though World at War drops to mid 40s on both consoles with the 360 version being 10-20% more stable, though to be fair it might just be the way the PS3 game was designed), several arcade games on both machines and a few retail 360 titles. That said, I’ve heard God of War III will be at 60fps as will GT5 [GT5P runs at 60fps], but we’ll see when they’re released.
Check this out. This is one great place to see the frapsish work. http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-uncharted-2-720p-vs-scaled-1080p-performance
Ohh and the ISP here is bad. Me and a friend across town both use AT&T and it is a lag out bitch. I built both of the pc’s. Mine being xp his is vista 64. I have some knowledge about settings and I have tweaked and tweaked, its more or less just beating the dead horse until they pony up some cash and deliver us some real net.
I just got the rrod and I’m pissed. I’ve only had my system 4 mabey 2 months. I kept it in a wide open space so it could breath and still got the rrod. But what ev’s. I’m turning ps3.
Come to the trey. Don’t worry about your piece of crap game scratching, overheating cheap piece of microsoft crap console, get a ps3
LOL
Now flex your titty muscles in a youtube video.
My xbox 360 scratched my halo 3 disc and I wasn’t even moving it.
iv had 3 PS3s die on me and only 1 xbox ps3 has also killed 2 copys of CoD:WaW xbox has killed one copy of chromehounds after playing it for 2 weeks with out turning the console off
sofar xbox is wining for me
Are you playing on the inside of a valcano? : )
Really hard to see PS3 thermally failing without some airway constriction. I would assume you suffered a board failure or bad cell’s. The failure rate of PS3 is actually around 1 %. XBOX is inflated by the old design which was in the 30′s. I think the new one is in the 10% range, which is still not so good but better. I was always amazed by the 360 failure rate being that it has an external power supply. Being power supplies are the root to many electronic deaths by heat. It is a small possibility that the external power supply is using an insufficient design to keep the voltage levels high in the processor/gpu and cause over draw of current (more current at lower voltage means exponential heat typically). Not sure though, no test that I know of has ever been done and I am not gonna waste the money to find out. If all the changes that are advertised are true the slim PS3 ought to be super good on the failure rate. Of course one must live the fact that it is a much stripped version of the original. We shall see.
Good luck with your latest console……May it live long and prosperous!
He probably bought from a bad batch. While bad batches are rarer, there’ve been a few where a good deal of the units were faulty. Fortunately these cases seem rather isolated. Either way more units of both the 360 and PS3 seem to be dying than some previous generations, though even PS2s and original Xbox units had their fair share of faulty units. Nintendo on the other hand seem to make some of the most resilient machines around. =D
Serpantine,
That’s seriously unlucky. My PS3 has been faultless so far. I did lose GTAIV due to a disc crack, but that was the boxes fault (little centre bit you click the dics onto, way too tight a fit!), & the shop was nice enough to replace it.
I would have to admit that when Crysis came out I thought wow what a way to do something so beautiful in such an ugly way. What I mean is it may look good but it is killing the machine painting it.
Now I realize that many of you may have already seen this, but let it be known that Crytek 3 engine optimized for PS3 is wow. Here is a video on this page that just mutilates what we have seen even on most pc games. http://www.breakitdownblog.com/cryengine-3-ps3-tech-demo/
Now the guy wrote in the column that this thing wasn’t using a real player so that must be taken into account but he is wrong. Listen to the video as the guy speaking tells the player to stop and look at the water at 6:56 on the video. Its a real-time gaming event. It is no game per say as you an I cannot get it but still a realistic representation. But in the end we will have to see whom and better yet when we will see this on a game. I am going to be eagerly awaiting this type of game quality.
With this kind of game, we might actually see the final push of consoles against pc in a way that may end the pc reign in this market (pretty wise). Maybe even the end of a need for it all together. Given that when you go to a game section with both console and pc, you may notice the pc is already but dead. Very few titles are sitting on shelves. I have not once been anticipated a pc game (I’m sure some of you have). In the end why bother making the game on a crippling platform. Crippled by cost of building an “up to date” pc all the time.
I’m getting shaped here right now thanks to downloading several 360 games and arcade games so videos will likely take a small eternity for me to load (until around October 10 when I get next months downloads), so let me take your word that the PS3 optimised Crytek 3 is amazing. One thing I will ask though is, how does the PC/360 crytek 3 engine that likely would have been released alongside it look?
As for PC vs Console gaming, there will possibly always be a market for PC games. When a gamer can run games at considerably higher resolutions with better effects on a PC, some of them will forego conveniance for the experience only a PC can hope to provide. It’s just like how there’s always been a market for dead video formats among diehard fans when the dead format has advantages over whichever became mainstream.
I’ve grown lazy to the point where consoles are the only feasible choice for playing new games for me, but I am exceptionally lazy and know a few people that almost seem to live for building and upgrading their rigs constantly.
The whole Cryengine 3 is awsome on all platforms. No real distinguishable differences on consoles. That said, the Cryteam has said that the GPU of 360 will outperform the PS3 and the physics on the PS3 will out shine those of the 360. In otherwords, smoke and fire and splash should be “more real” on the PS3 unless of course the developer opts to not put the time in it. The good news is this should make porting between the 2 a more painless and better experience that will be difficult to discern if they do not try and tap the power of each at their maximum potential. It is safe to say that no multi-plats will as they have issues of time against them. I imagine this will make the fanboy arguments fewer and the ones that do continue to be more ridiculous. I mean how in the hell can you enjoy a game if you are nit-picking every frame? I rest my case on that.
Now as for the other sub posts under mine.
I see you points but they are not a necessary argument. You have to step back and look at what he is saying is that the gpu of the ps3 is knowingly weak compared to the 360′s. He is referring to the fact that they are using some other worldly techniqes to match the 360 looks (maybe even exceed in some eyes). It is not so much a knock on the KZ2 team as much as it is a compliment to their engenuity on surpassing the “limiting factor”. When the 360 designers are working for get-arounds on physics in the future it will be the same rage so I wouldn’t get bent on it. The game is a phenom in its genre. Play and enjoy.
Now the whole cross-plats. I can only say budget and time constraints are to blame. Ignorance is not so much a problem as the code in itself is not unlike the code of the past and present technologies (at least IBM says it’s not). Devs have to sit down at the drawing board and decide to truly utilize a system or just try and get an adequate result. If you look at side by side fraps you will see in most if not all cases that the frame rates are in the same area. If the 360 runs it 60 peak, so does the ps3. To me this is the sign of generic scaling of the game to keep it simple and quicker. Say for instance that the PS3 can generate 30 different npc’s at a given resolution at 30 fps with no real hiccups. Now in the same rez and restrictions on hiccups the 360 can only do 25. The dev will go with the lesser to prevent the codes from crawling on the 360. Now then they get to the whole screen image and shading, etc. They now become constrained by the RSX and have to cut down the image quality overall of the game to make it happen. More times than not though they make it just work on the RSX causing frame rate drops and they use the 360 constraints as the lone map for how this game will look and play. Now why not do both? That is why I am excited about Cry Engine 3. It will make the whole thing more seemless and therefore we should get the same general experience with those little bonuses on each side. The better will only fit you taste. I like lots of smoke and water effects or I like slighty smoother frames. Then you buy accordingly and happier than kids at the candy store you should be. This is of course still in the hands of the devs to make this happen. Here’s to hope! : )
I forgot to mention that I do have a nice pc. I did the rig wars bit one and a half years ago with a friend. He’s now running a Phenom chip with SLi video cards and 8 gb ram (don’t recall the exact specs but his AMD ain’t holding up to my Q6600 and 1 8800 GT vid with only 4 gb of ram.) He is running Vista 64 premium, and I was smart enough to stick with Xp. He has severe artifacing in games due to dx 10 and the whole unsupported driver mumbo jumbo. I tried to talk him out of it but he insisted. Of course I actually built them both so I am surprised he didn’t claim sabotage! : ) Indeed I was right and now Windows 7 is on its way or is already out. I hate MS OS as they are so quick to put ‘em out and so slow to resolve the issues we have to deal with as users. Well I have wasted enough of your time as a reader so I thought I will say good and have a pleasent tomorrow.
Silver,
Whenever Killzone 2 is mentioned, you just bring up “burnt on textures” about the lighting & worse textures than Gears of War 2 to put it down technically saying that the only reason it looks better is the amount of time & attention it’s had spent on it.
I tried to look for these bad lighting & poor textures you refer to & apart from some forum postings on Gamespot with folk arguing the case either way, I’ve seen no evidence to definitively support your theory. If anything the comments I’ve found support the fact that KZ2 has some of the best dynamic lighting found in any console game. You always bring up the burnt textures as a major issue, & from what I’ve read, it’s actually not. Gamer blorge also makes comment about KZ2 using ultra hi-res textures almost everywhere & brings up Gears of War 2 as an example of how KZ2 does it better.
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/game-types/shooter/the-most-light-sources-in-one-killzone-2-scene—$1267347$1264900.htm
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26987799&page=1
http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/02/25/review-killzone-2-the-best-looking-game-this-generation-part-1/
http://www.badassgamerblog.com/2009/01/has-killzone-2-surpassed-e3-2005-cgi.html
I used “Killzone 2 lighting 2009″ as a search in Google (if you don’t put 2009 you just get stuff from 2 years before the game came & it was all speculation & hype then anyway, & no guarantees that the Gamespot link will work as I’ve found them to be iffy before.
I’m not saying that the game doesn’t use any burnt on textures, but I suggest that it’s a lot less of an issue than you make out, & the main time it gets mentioned is on multiplatform websites (like this one) where it’s a lot of speculation & point of view, & very little hard fact.
If I’ve missed something, then please guide me to a site with definitive evidence about the bad textures, & bad lighting so that my error ridden ways can be corrected.
Sorry, I had to address it as you keep bringing it up.
Ok, you’ve acknowledged there might be burnt on textures which is what you seem to be typing about in response to me. What’s the problem if you’re acknowledging there might be some? My argument isn’t that Killzone 2 was an ugly game, merely that on a technical level it doesn’t show any superiority on the part of the PS3, if anything it serves to highlight some limitations of the platform through how alternative strategies had to be used to achieve some looks.
Gamer blorge I’d never heard of before, but that article made me laugh my ass off the same way an article written by a Halo 3 fanboy does. Anyone praising the singleplayer story in a game like Killzone 2 or Halo 3 I automatically find either funny or disturbing, but certainly not credible.
The technical details are all about hard fact. Guerilla games has been kind enough to show all kinds of juicy information including actual figures on both the game’s engine and the game while in play. It doesn’t get more hard factsy than that and anyone has access to that information. All the information serves to show is that the PS3 does have several flaws and the team at Guerilla Games are total legends at what they do. I’m sure I’d have my mind blown if they were given half a decade to make a supurb looking PC game without having to keep hardware limitations in mind so much.
I agree with kaden,
I do not see what some of you people are talking about also gears isnt that good a game. I like the ps3 but yeh Xbox is good but honestly i can’t hardly notice the difference. The only difference i have noticed is the poor Xbox to ps3 ports for Example a few sports games, and some others that were made for Xbox’s were very poorly ported to PS3 and was horribly noticeable. As for gears i dont think the textures and lighting were that great pretty mediocre i reckon. Killzone has great lighting and i don’t notice all the flaws you said it had.
You probably also missed me mentioning that Killzone 2 had a longer development time and is a good deal more touched up. Likely not in those words but I’m sure I’ve mentioned it once or twice earlier.
I’m saving up money for either a xbox 360 or a ps3 and i dont kno which one to get. i hav a ps2 now and i love it, but i keep hearing how the xbox 360 has much better games. ive never played killzone or gears of war, just the basics like halo and call of duty. i dont want my system breaking down on me, but i dont want to only be able to get boring or crappy games. help me out?..
Both systems are great for their own reasons. I have had my PS3 for 9 months now and have loved it. The exclusives are incredible and the cross-platform games I have performed beautifully. I have the following games: Killzone 2, Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Red Faction Guerilla, inFamous, Battlefield Bad Company, Resistance, Orange Box, and Burnout Paradise. As you can see I’m mainly a shooter fan mixed in with the new open world third person action/shooter type games. I bought the PS3 over the 360 because of reliability, longevity, and its “futureproofness”. It also has most of all the games I’m interested in so the whole “the 360 has a larger game library” is useless for me. The PS3 was also in the end cheaper. I got it for a deal for $250 but using todays pricing you can get one for $300. The 360 will taunt you with its $250 (pro) tag BUT it lacks: built in rechargeable batteries in controller, rechargeable cord (both sell together as the play n’ charge kit for $20), it lacks wifi which is my only means of online at my house as ethernet is impossible in my room. Microsoft forces you to buy a $100 adapter for wifi! With all of that the 360 now costs $370! If you don’t need wifi the PS3 and 360 are a $30 difference. Then you add on xbox live for $50 a year and all of the sudden, the 360 starts at the same price as the PS3 and continues to charge you. If your ok with more expensive then this argument is irrelevant, otherwise its something to consider. The blu-ray player should also be noted as it allows PS3 exclusives to be much larger (ex: Gran Turismo 5 coming soon, inFamous, Killzone 2). Now arguments for the 360: It has many many impressive exclusives as well including Halo, Gears, etc. It also allows for up to 4 players online on the same console which might be an important feature to you. I know its one I miss on my PS3. The 360 feels more multiplayer/splitscreen oriented which I really love a lot for times when I want to play with friends. But even after all the improvements to the 360 it none the less has a much higher failure rate than the PS3 and piece of mind was important to me. Having said all this I actually want to buy a 360 because i need more 2 player options and I do miss the Halo franchise. But I still love my PS3 and wholeheartedly believe it gives me the very best single player experience. I have a blast playing it. Its sleek and runs quiet and cool. It just feels dependable too. Even if I get a 360 my PS3 will undoubtably remain my main/favorite console and the 360 will be for friend time. It really depends on what you want. If your an online maniac you’ll probably want a 360. If you love campaigns and don’t mine spending most (not all) of your time playing solo then I’d jump at the PS3 with no thought. If you don’t really have a preference for exclusives, then I’d go with the PS3 as recently a ton of new well done exclusives have been released/will be released whereas the 360 seems to be thinning out. I’d say play both and decide from there. I can say firsthand the PS3 rocks. I’m not just backing up something because I spent money on it. I really do enjoy playing it and love how well things work and how well it performs. But the 360 is an esteemed console as well and due to certain features has won the majority of gamers. The majority should not be your deciding factor though in my opinion but rather what you like playing. At the end of the day, fanboy wars mean nothing when you sit down, kick back, and have a good time playing your next gen console. Best of wishes on your decision. And whatever you get, game on!
I think the main thing is Xbox 360 has more games, though at this point in time better games will depend on your tastes. PS3 has better shooters and a few gems in other categories, Xbox 360 has a wider variety of RPGs and arcade games. As for my game collection on my 360, I have most of the games mentioned on 360, a good pile of physical games, 6 full version 360 games downloadable and playable from my 360, 11 downloaded Xbox originals and once Command and Conquer 3 Arcade finishes downloading I’ll have exactly 160 arcade games (everything from Pac-man to Castlevania to Sam and Max episodal games can be found there as well as quality exclusives such as Shadow Complex).
Wifi is an additional cost for the 360, but the adaptors are going cheap now as a newer adapter is being introduced for Wireless N (PS3 might need to add a device themselves as they can’t upgrade the class of wireless through a software patch, lol). As it stands the older ones can be grabbed in Australia for around $80 if you look around (should be much less in the US, as Australia gets gouged for gaming goods). But how many real gamers would go a wireless connection over a wired one anyways?
Also the Pro was discontinued and the elite cheapened, so Blake’s prices are a bit out of date. I’d recommend looking up the prices of each online. Did I mention that later revisions of the 360 actually seem quite sturdy despite some kiddos worrying about their futureproofness even when they don’t actually own one (or a current one at any rate)?
What I would recommend is looking up the games you want to see which console has more of them and also looking at possible differences between versions for each consoles as some games WILL play better on one console than another. OP, you mentioned knowing Halo and CoD. Xbox 360 can play all Halo games (Halo 3 is an exclusive and the original Halo is a downloadalbe xbox original) and the CoD games, but some of the CoD Games are also out on PS3, possibly even all of those that also appear on PS3. I know I’ve played the last couple of CoD games on both. =D
Silver. I like in Utah which is a state in the UNITED STATES. I know 100% without a single doubt that here RIGHT NOW as we speak all major electronics retailers in the US are selling xbox 360 Pro’s for $250. The elite is $300. The core is $200. These are the prices they were recently priced dropped to. Trust me I’ve been shopping around looking for deals even recently as I’ve considered an xbox for friend usage. And the reliability has increased but NOT as much as the PS3 as I said. The 360 believe is somewhere in the 8%-16% failure rate now and the PS3 is less than 1%.
Your absolutely correct. He needs to decide what games he likes to play. I believe I said that. You didn’t outright slam my comments but you seem to have a problem with them. Let me say my above comment is my OPINION. Its not hard fact. I doubt anyone could reason one console over the other. From my opinion and my experience playing my PS3 and playing several friend’s 360s with them I think the PS3 provides a better platform for the single player games I like and I think the 360 provides a better platform for playing with your friends. I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say xbox live is FAR superior to PSN. Because as long as I can invite to accept invitations from my friends, besides that all I want to do is play the game online smoothly in a competitive environment. So far I’ve had no problem with this. Connections on PSN have been smooth and I’ve been able to communicate with my friend’s enough. While 360 has more features, they don’t justify FOR ME the extra $50. Jake will have to decided if they do for him. Both consoles are AMAZING! And I truly believe he’ll love either one. My opinion sides slightly on the PS3s and Silver your sides for the 360. But Jake needs to play both, compare features and libraries, and decided which would be more FUN for him.
sorry for all the typing errors. I forgot to proofread before pressing submit.
Sorry if I offended you, but I noticed your advice seemed to have a bit of a PS3 lean and some information was outdated, all I did was correct it and inject the 360 fanboy counter. And yes, some stores will have Pro units for a while, but they are discontinued nonetheless. Just like you occasionally see PS3 launch units (some stores here have driven their price up quite a lot, including pre-owned units). And officially, Elites have also had a price drop, which may very well meet your figures, but I have seen MS advertisements from the US advertising a bundle with the elite and two games for $299. Are both games free with the console over there or something? And the futureproofness bit. While as your opinion it might be linked to assumptions on your part, that’s fine, but those of us with new consoles haven’t noticed very many casualties at all. I agree wholeheartedly with the last four sentences of your original message here, but also feel the need to state that just as your opinion is yours, so is mine, mine.
As for your reply to the comment, don’t worry about it. Most of us have probably made a typo here somewhere and there’s no edit function for whatever reason.
No reason for everyone to get all worked up. Play what you love, not what articles say you should (or any other means). It’s gaming, and the battle is only in a competition that should force improvements by both MS and Sony. I have a PS3 and have no problems with the GPU being a little weaker than that of the 360. I also know that the CPU can be utilized to put physics never before seen on a console on your screen. That’s what I wanted and I got it. The differences stream from many aspects. The sled design of the HDD on the 360 is limiting in capacity. You get what MS decides to have made. PS3 is just a sata laptop drive. I swapped mine 80 gb out for a 320 gb. Great space and performance. I also have a 1 tb book drive attached that I have used to supplement space and put my music and even some movies. Works at dvd standard for the movies which is nice. ISO’s must be segmented below a certain file size but if you tell the PS3 to sequence play, they work just fine. Nice indeed.
I picked up Bad Company out of the bargain bin for 19.99. What a great deal. Love the mouthy little spills they go into. Just kick back and play. It’s all good.
+1 for the xbox 360 hard drive being a negative.
It won’t be a problem for me when the 250gb models are released, but right now even 120gb limits the amount of content you can have and if you’re like me and want half the stuff on xbox live, you can’t have it all on your hard drive at once. Advice to those who have the money to buy a ton of games, wait til the 250gb models arrive.
But that said, the modular peripherals can be an advantage for the 360 as well. Higher capacity drives can be created in future (useless for us now which sucks to no end, I hate potential based arguments), and we’re starting to see at least one other advantage. Look at the wireless N router. As all of them are seperate peripherals, it’s very easy to just purchase the best current model your setup supports. The PS3 would have to release an external peripheral which plugs in somewhere and would likely alter the minimalistic look or add one in future models which’d suck for owners of past consoles. THAT SAID, this is no disadvantage for those with PS3s who prefer a wired connection as I tend to myself. They really are better for gaming even if they might make your console’s room look like a wire jungle in some cases.
I looked up the hard drives for the 360 and man you take the shaft on those proprietary parts. 120 gb hard drive for $120 us dollars (ouch). Same drive is only 64.99 us dollars on newegg.com . Hopefully ms will stop hosing you 360 users on these devices. You can get a 500 gb drive for ps3 for 109.99 at newegg. I am curious does the 360 allow external hard drives. I have not heard? Anyways those are some things for them storage hungered folks.
Tell me about it. As for external drives, they’re usable but I’m pretty sure you can’t store everything you can store on the 1st party drives on them. Or you could, but unless your console was modified in some way, the 360 wouldn’t show any of it.
Only way to get around the price is either grab a damaged hard drive cheap or free or buy a 3rd party hard drive housing in the shape of the official ones and then stick a cheaper same capacity drive in the housing. Naturally if you use the housing from a genuine MS drive it voids the warranty and it’s a pain in the ass compared to how easy it is to change a PS3′s hard drive.
Only advantage is that it’s easier to change a 360′s hard drive on the fly if you have different things on different hard drives, but considering you can get a single much higher capacity hard drive in the PS3, it’s likely a moot point, unless you’re really into organising things or something.
You say neither, I say both! I think the overall gaming experience is better on a PS3 as I can actually hear the sound without having a hoover parody going on from the console.
Besides, PS3 is more eco-friendly:
• The 360′s fan usually always run on max
• PS3 controller has rechargeable battery, 360 uses AA’s
• Bluray support eliminates the purpose of having a seperate player standing, saving both money, space (and if you leave your stuff on standby, power)
• I could add getting a new 360 if RRoD occours, but let’s not get into that :P
That said, there are good titles on the 360 that are worth a play. I for instance got an Arcade to play Fable 2
The 360 can get rechargable batteries for it’s controllers. Some, like the red controllers come with the rechargable battery. And to top it off, in my experience the 360′s battery has outlasted the PS3′s AND the recharge cable on the 360′s controller is longer which is great when you position yourself a greater distance from your TV.
The fans in newer 360s I’ve heard haven’t been all that loud. Both of my personal 360s are about as loud as my PS3, none of which I really notice unless I get up close and strain my ear. [insert_george_foreman_grill_reference_here]
That said, there are good titles on the PS3 that are worth a play. I for instance use mine to play Disgaia 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles. (And lol if you think an arcade will give you real appreciation for a 360, they are crippled without a decent sized hard drive).
Well I have saved up and I want to get a next-gen system. However I have trouble choosing which one to buy. I really don’t care for exclusives and the only games I plan on buying are NBA 2K10. Maybe even GTA4 but I am not fond of it. I do plan on playing NBA 2K10 a lot. I am not a big fan of HD movie watching; hence I don’t really give a crap about blue ray. I also am not too amazed about online gaming, maybe in the future though when I get adjusted to the system.
Option 1: PS3 Slim
The cost of everything:
PS3-300
Controller-50
HDMI-10
2 Games (NBA 2K and COD)-120
Everything Together = 480
Option 2: Xbox Elite Bundle (It’s a falcon and comes with an HDMI and a wireless adapter/Wi-Fi & Halo)
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde…gon=&langid=EN
Xbox Bundle-330
Controller-45
Game- 70
Live- 45
Everything= 490
*Note
The Elite has the 3y warranty for RROD but I also hear that the disc tray can break so I am somewhat worried. However the PS3 also gets the YLOD. I don’t want to purchase any warranty plan.
This is all the info. I am seriously confused and I need suggestions. Please make them supportive on what I stated and not some random thing like: get an Xbox for gears of war.
-Previous system: PS2
Dude, buy a ps3 slim. Jeez.
HAVE U PLAYED OR EVEN SEEN UNCHARTED 2 on hdtv? Have u seen chloe !!!!!!! u will go blind for a few minutes like me
I got nothing to add here… I’m in year 2 of owning neither because I am so indecisive and though I want a PS3, all indicators up to this point has been to go with XBOX. Having said that, this update is making me ready to commit to a PS3 (basically, I’m just looking for an excuse – something more than it’s got Blu-Ray). I’ve held out this long so I’ll wait for your november update. Maybe this holiday season, I’ll be playing either PS3 or XBOX. Either way, loved your review.
Remember guys, this article is 2009, and a bunch of this information is already outdated (we all know that in this Information Age, stuff can become obsolete or upgraded in 3 months time), so lets just all wait for his November review.. that’s what i’m eyeing for. I’d like him to write about the PS3 Slim’s price drop and a bunch of the bug fixes on both of the systems
Hmmm! John Doe. If you are really a sports gamer and mostly prefer it, get the 360. RROD will be less likely with the updates and not to mention the sports games do not drive the systems as hard as full on graphical games with loads of shading and so on. Sure it will give it a little work out but nothing like Gears or Killzone. Now you also get the primary console so you don’t have to get them nasty port jobs done on the sports games. PS3 games tend to have some nasty glitches first off. 2K is not a very good publisher as it were and they make the ports even worse. I have had them and they have been as bad as not recognizing the saves they make. Not a corrupt file either. Bad news is if you love baseball, you cannot enjoy the MLB The Show on PS3 which is far better than 2K’s. It has great options and plays with fluidity. As far as the reliability goes, it is luck of the draw. Bad batches are just bad batches. If you buy a system that fails at a chain, I recommend returning it to another site (further the distance the less likely the same batch) for an exchange. It may add hassle but think about how many consoles are sold at one store. Not to many. Chances are they are pulling stock from one batch for awhile.
Alan – what are the indicators that you speak of?
When the last days of each of these machines fall I believe we will see that all these “wars” are just great PR stunts. The new Cry Engine 3 video should show how immaculate games will become and the fact that those whom use it will have far less expense and time in porting between the two. In the end it will be nice to finally have a game show up the pc counter-parts by not being so far behind graphically and winning with the controller’s playability.
The indicators I had in mind were things like the game quality that’s available on both consoles (up to this point, I heard that xbox was better) and the presence of console specific games (like Halo which apparently kicks all sorts of asses). Couple that with the fact that I heard the online play was much better with the xbox, I just couldn’t find anything going for PS3 (except for the fact that I really want PS3 to be the console of choice). I am pretty happy that I’ve waited thus far since a) the price dropped and b) PS3 games are really starting to emerge, it seems.
Bro don’t listen to any xbox 360 or ps3 fanboyism. I now own both consoles and love both. I probably love my ps3 a little better as I’m more into rockin single player games and it has some of the best exclusives nowadays. But I have to hand better online to the 360 and more support for cooperative play which is why I bought it as well (plus I missed halo). They both are incredible consoles and excel at certain things. The ps3 runs quieter and has incredible single player exclusives. The 360 is a better multiplayer console. Both kick trash with graphics. I’m happy to own both. If I had to choose one, I’d choose the ps3 because I don’t mind single player gaming most of the time as I’m more of an introvert. BUT I would say BOTH are equal, just different. Look at what kind of gaming you like and then decide.
Just wanted to remark on your statement that the ps3 doesn’t seam to have anything going for it and tell you that is the media and fanboyism. Both consoles rock!
The 360 has more physical games (unless you include BC as there’s very likely a high total number of PSX games available).
The 360 has more downloadable games.
The 360 has more singleplayer and multiplayer games in most genres, I know as I’m an RPGtard and my 360′s library dwarfs my PS3′s library (though my 360 library is inflated due to buying most multiplatform games on 360, especially the multiplayer titles, even still, more games available on 360).
I’d go the 360 for both single and multiplayer games. If I was more into watching movies and folding@home the PS3 might be my console of choice. A few things to note though:
- Downloadable games and content on both XBL and PSN varies by region (both can get around this by downloading from an international account, both have their limitations). Some countries’ services might have jack compared to elsewhere.
- With a 360 you’d have to buy these seperately if you want them: HDMI cable (newer units), rechargable battery (comes with charger cable) and wireless (might be a future positive due to a wireless N adaptor being released later).
The PS3 strikes me as a great unit if you’re strapped for cash, but if you can put the money in, 360 has more going for it in terms of gaming. I would definetely look at the exclusives you’d prefer though as a major factor with your choice. Because if you prefer those on the PS3 you’d probably kick yourself if you bought a 360.
i was leaning towards the 360 cus that controller is so gooood.
I don’t let the controller have any control of my decisions. Think of it like a different car. You wouldn’t turn down a McClaren just because it didn’t feel like your old Civic (so to speak). Controllers tend to “grow on you”. I remember that change from the NES to the Genisis. Night and day but I got used to it and began to like it more each day. But the 360 does look the part for your preference.
The controller is a large part of comfort. If you’re playing with something your hands don’t feel too good around, gaming ain’t as pleasurable. You can thankfully replace the steering wheels on most cars I’ve gotten behind.
I just wish I could get a gamecube style controller for either the 360 or PS3.
the controller was just one of the aspects. the fact that the xbox bundle comes with the adapter and an hdmi is good. The fact that i only plan on getting COD and nba it seems like the best option. I get motionsickness with gears and halo or uncharted and the list go’s on.
the controller was just one of the aspects. the fact that the xbox bundle comes with the adapter and an hdmi is good. The fact that i only plan on getting COD and nba it seems like the best option. I get motionsickness with gears and halo or uncharted and the list go’s on. The thing is the ps3 controlllers arent as good as the xbox ones. heck the ps2 and 1′s had better. the r2 and l2 buttons are irritating.
sorry bro the xbox doesn’t come with an hdmi cable anymore.
If he’s getting a Falcon like he mentioned, it should. Old stock, just like those launch PS3s and Xbox 360 Pros. ;)
But I’d recommend buying a Jasper and grabbing a seperate HDMI cable elsewhere. Just so you can be more sure it’ll last.
oh sorry I missed his comment about getting a falcon
hi,
about 2 weeks ago i was asking for advise on which console to get and i got some of your views. though the most advise i got was more or less sided to the ps3 but i ignored it and i got one of the new limited editions of the 360. i must admit some of the comments made on this site about the 360 are probably based on the old 360 consoles. to start with my 360 is so silent you can barely hear a thing, so the thing about it being noisy aint true on the new consoles. i got a bunch of sport games and racing games. the game play is so superb and smooth compared to the same games on the ps3. the graphics are ok though i wouldnt compare them to my pc which is far much superior but all in all i purchased the 360 elite limited edition and am very satisfied with it. thanks for all your comments they really helped me in deciding which console to get. the 360 really has a cute pad lol
I kinda feel bad. Play it for a few months or so and see what your opinion is of it. Also, it sucks that GT5 is taking so long to be released. I also feel like you are being deprived of some really good gaming.
Also, the ps3 controllers are far superior. For one, they’re bluetooth. They haven’t changed their controller pattern EVER. As far as the R2/L2 buttons, I used to hate them at first, but I got used to them quickly and think they feel better than the 360 shoulder buttons.
I feel great that she picked the better console for gaming. Way too many people buying the console for the blue-ray, only to find out it has less gaming goodness.
BTW Forza 3 FTW!
PS3 controllers are superior? They’re too small for adult hands, those before rumbleshock have no weight to them and no rumble shock, the rechargable batteries run out faster, the recharge cables are shorter, the very button-like ‘triggers’ fail compared to the 360′s and they’re also just plain less rugged.
I personally own the PS3. It has great all around uses. One thing to remember is that when you are looking at games, do not go on what reveiws tell you. You will find in some cases that a game is really quite good when it gets bad marks. If you rent first and buy later you will save big. I quite the pre-order business due to the disappointment I got from one particular game. If you just rent and “feel” out the games, you will have many more titles that you love and hardly ever buy garbage.
I will stand by the controller thing being moot. You can’t tell me that you have never toughened up and played with a “bad controller” so long that it became second nature (because you liked the game of course). People always find a way to play. I recall being anti-pc because I would have that many more possible keys to remember for different jobs. Now I can’t complain, though I still like the console better (better seating in the living room). So don’t be little whinies and just get to your gaming on whichever you chose and enjoy it.
Rent? I find the best thing to do is go to ebgames (Gamestop in the US) and preorder my games as they have a policy where if I’m not happy with a game for any reason I can get a full refund within seven days. Crappy prices? Use tradebait and their price matching and you can only get a better deal online. =D
So worth it.
Oh and the controller thing? I can very easily say if I didn’t like the feel of a controller I found an alternative. Be it a more comfortable third party controller (dislike being forced to do that though as most third party controllers don’t seem to last as long as the real thing meaning I need to keep a few extras stashed away), a modded controller or a purpose-built controller (like that nice SF4 Genesis style gamepad with the decent dpad I like to use playing arcade games). And I recall being able to find controller alternatives since my NES days, so it’s nothing new (though I quite liked the NES controller at the time and only bought one third party controller for a rapid-fire function).
Just gettin’ my gaming on whichever way I choose and enjoyin’ it.
I own both systems and PS3 is my console of choice hands down….
When Uncharted 2 (which looks amazing and online play is breaking barriers and uses 25GB of a blu ray) God of War, Final Fantasy, and M.A.G. come out, its gonna put PS3 on the Map.
Fact: X-Box announce they won’t release a new gen console but instead try to add more features, like a similar wii controller, fail (talk about being original).
Fact: What new exclusive games xbox will come out with this year? You can’t stretch out halo, gears of war, dead rising and L4D forever?
PS3 you get your moneys worth: blu ray, good internet browser, free online and wifi, bluetooth connection for $300
Xbox360 you have to pay for extra batteries, wifi connection, online subscription, and the death ring.
Once people start to use the full cell processor and blu ray disc (which is being done ie uncharted 2) PS3 will finally blossom.
Sell your xbox and invest in a PS3 cause in the long run its cheaper and you get to witness what a console is suppose to be like.
PS3 ID: LuiMi85
Come see me, I’ll pwn you
Concerning the first fact, it’s a bit hard for X-box to announce anything when it’s just a last gen gaming console. XD
Microsoft however did release a ‘new gen’ console. It’s called the Xbox 360 and can be found at most good game stores!
Concerning the second, why don’t you just look up the 360 games list on wikipedia, click the little link to order them by date and then look for either games in 2009 or 2010, whichever year you’re referring to. And you can do the same for PS3 games!
Awesome, I know.
Hmmm, my money’s worth… Yeah, but then some gamers want to spend their money on a console for GAMING. It’s a bit hard to game when you’re surfing the internet and watching hi-def movies. Also the browser is fairly mediocre. Oh it’s cool they included one, but compare it with the better PC web browsers and it doesn’t strike me as being a ‘good internet browser’. Free wifi? You mean ‘included wifi’, right? I can’t just walk into ebgames and take the wifi for free leaving the PS3 behind. But then again, we’re just seeing the weakness of integrated wifi now. It doesn’t support Wireless N and Microsoft is releasing a Wireless N wifi connector at some point in future. And once again I’ll state that any real gamer would favour a wired connection anyway, for stability reasons if not anything else.
Xbox 360 you buy one relatively cheap rechargable battery for every controller you want to have one. Yeah it costs a bit, but the recharge cable is long enough you don’t have to sit directly in front of your hi-def display at eye harming proximity and the batteries also have a longer charge. An online subscription is worthwhile when you have more content and better support. Oh and the death ring is free, but unfortunately for those like you that list it as a desired feature, it doesn’t seem to be effecting many newer units.
I have both a 360 and a PS3 and that comment confuses me. A console is supposed to be like a multimedia internet box that plays games as a side function? SOUNDS LIKE MY OLD PC!
After reading this great article, the only concern I have is whether or not the ps3′s greater potential will finally start to bear fruit. Without knowing that, I would go with xbox because of online gaming (I’m a big COD fan). However, if the November article indicates that the quality of ps3 games are consistently exceeding that of the xbox, then I would probably go with the Playstation.
Here it is October 10. I’ve waited this long, I can wait until the November article comes out.
Thanks!
i have had 3 360s with in a year all coz of that red ring thing but they are still fun
how ever i am selling it to by a sony 3 because to me it feels better but thats only my oppionon
i know my spelling and grama sucks to bad im from nz
coon out
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I have been told by a manager in Game(uk) that the PS3 is by far the better console to buy my 10 year old son. I have read numerous articles and get swayed either way very quickly. The thought of being able to go online with PS3 and view websites appeals.Games are games for a 10 year old and the new fifa10 is all he wants to start with. The chance to use the internet aswell interests him.What is the Nov article about and who from. Should I wait or follow my instincts for the PS3.Help !!
I’d see which has more games he wants to play.
But I can see how a PS3 would benefit a younger child in one very real way. The 360 even now tends to be a bit more delicate and the PS3 is a little more rugged (though I’d still be very careful with it) which might mean it’d last longer around the littlies. Also the gamepad is smaller which’d be great for smaller hands.
Hardcoreware updates this xbox vs playstation article every November. With November just around the corner, I would wait to hear their analysis.
For a young kid I would get a PS3 just because the controller is smaller and will fit in his hands better. Even for online play I prefer my ps3 over my xbox. The reasons is that i like to play online shooters and while the Xbox shooters are arguably better online, a significantly larger percentage of xBox users use all types of foul language etc when playing. If you buy a PS3 get LittleBigPlanet, a great game for kids. Using the internet on a PS3 if overrated. Its slower and far more cumbersome than browsing on my PC and I dont use it except for watching youtube movies on my TV.
I’m kinda late in all this. I went from loving my PS2 to loving our 360. Proud owner for 4 months now. Something else you should of considered is where are your buddies at? If most are on PS3 go that way and the same for 360. That’s what we did, and the other reason why, was the ridiculous price, and no PS2 compatibility. (Get it right Sony!!) I mean, hey, I’m throwing in my two bits, but I think, its where your buddies are at, cause we are online players. I had a pretty good feel for both systems. PS3 was with one friend and 360 with the other. 360 felt right, and PS3 just didn’t “feel” right becuase the trigger on 360 feels more realistic instead of…tap….tap….tap, where as pull….(sound of machine gun). That’s all I got.
I’ve read this article and it’s predecesors (if that can be said), i think it’s about people and what makes them feel more confortable (as u said in your conclutions). I’m a ps3 owner and i paid the $399 for the 80 Gb console +$180 for some titles (killzone2, sfiv and little big planet been specific) + $54 for the additional dual shok, and that is precisely the point, i feel very confortable with the dual shok 3, it’s like made naturally for playing, it’s so intuitive, it’s perfect. so sorry that it was concidered in the end of the last article as a “pro” for the ps3
Hey guys.. i play alot of xbox online.. the only game i play is cod4.. cod 6 is out in a moutn and my 2 best friends just got the ps3.. ive played cod4 on ps3 and found it so hard to play with with the controller diffrence.. but im sure after time the controller will be fine.. is there going to be a major diffence in online play with cod.. or will it be the same.. do i keep the x box and play cod against randoms or do i swap 4 a ps3 and play with m yfriends..
will it be the same.. need help o nthe cod 6 situation!
thanks!!
I would say that the game should generally feel the same, although it’s only speculation. I say, go the way of your friends, get yourself a nice bluetooth mic (rechargeable through usb), and start gaming with em. The invite and party system on the ps3 is just as easily and works well.
hey.. sorry to keep on going..
but is the game play the same ONLINE for the ps3 and xbox for cod 6 mw2.. will i be able to play online campaign with my friends?
whats the shooting trigger like on the ps3 compared to the xbox..
im so sorry for asking the same questions on and on.. but im stuck in the middle of the cross roads and i dont no what do do.. and with mw2 round the corner its left me in a pickle…
thanks for the advise guys!!
The online will be exactly the same i would have thought. As for the Shooting with the triggers, the 360 has triggers, the PS3 has buttons. I think that if you switch to PS3 you will have fun playing with your freinds but miss XBOX live. Just my opinion. My freinds play PS3 too.
I have both consoles and will say that they both have their pro’s and cons. I play online a lot and yeah, I might aswell admit that i prefer Xbox Live. If there is anyone considering buying a console for online purposes i would recommend XBOX 360. I don’t think that PSN is up to scratch by a long shot.
The PS3 has a more complete setup, no faffing around buying wireless adapters and rechargeble battery packs and so on. Also the PS3 is ready equiped with a blu ray drive; which is a nice little extra. But personally i don’t need it. I have only watched one blu ray movie before and yes it does look slightly better, but of course it’s going to.
… so am i going to have to buy a ps3 anyway.. lol if the onlines the same then why is xbox live better. does ps3 glitch and so on….
so cod 6. buy to play with friends or be alone on xbox lol
Just go for the ps3 man. You’ll love it! I have both a love both for different reasons. I would argue that PSN is as good. I don’t use any of the live exclusive features except for having a friend play with my on the same box. Other than that I don’t feel the features make it better than PSN and I’ve had very little issues with slow connections on PSN. If your friends have PS3s it’ll make it all the more fun. PS3 also has incredible exclusives. Xbox has Halo which was a big incentive for me, but if its just fun and not incredible to you then you won’t miss out on much. If you get a PS3 make sure to take a look at Killzone 2(multiplayer is a freakin blast!), infamous, uncharted 2, etc. They’re incredible! Either choice you make, enjoy! :)
Better support, moderation, more arcade games to download, cross game chat, a more online orientated integrated interface… Feel free to stop me at any time.
The only real complaint about ps3 online server is that it tends to be a bit slow, although you still get your games in. There are PLENTY of players on the PSN, and it’s getting a lot better. But hey, what do you want for free? I am quite happy with it. Uncharted 2 multiplayer is a goddamn blast and I doubt you can’t give me an original 360 title that’s as fun.
I haven’t yet played Uncharted 2′s multiplayer, but does this include Xbox 360 arcade games? Because some are horribly ‘fun’ on mutliplayer even if not nearly as advanced technically.
I guess you could include it’s arcade games, if you can’t name another original 360 title that is up to par with the quality of UC2.
i only play call of duty lol u dont understand thats ythe only game which is rape.. dont get me wrong its eac hto there oewn but i dont have time to play another game because i play that do much
If you’re mainly playing COD then the ps3 should be just as good. I haven’t played cod4 online personally but judging by how good PSN has worked for other games and considering that COD4 is probably the most popular game right now, I’d imagine its online is awesome on PSN
Thanks for the help guys.. i think im going to have to get a ps3.. but the question is do i trade in my xbox.. the only games i play are cod and streetfighter sometimes… but i use my xbox alot for my external harddrives.. i download stuff put it on my harddrive and plug it in via usb..
my friend dows that also but he said some of the framse come out slower on ps3 but work perfect on the xbox…
what are your thoughts on this..
many thanks for the help guys!
It’s true on the frames.
I think I mentioned it earlier but the PS3 versions sometimes get a slight stutter.
On the other hand, all the newer CoD games seem to be somewhat optimised as I’ve noticed things like different textures being higher or lower quality on each version and it’s not something consistent neither. :/
If all you play is CoD and SF, I’ve found the 360 plays both better BUT the dpad on the 360 is useless so for SF you’ll want either a 3rd party pad/arcade stick or a modified controller. The PS3′s isn’t much better for SF though…
If that’s all you’d play you might trade it in. I have both and wouldn’t think of trading the xbox because of halo 3 and its 2-4 player support. But being that Cod is for both platforms I don’t think you’ll miss out. The ps3′s hard drive can store plenty of things. I have videos, photos, and music stored on mine and they work fine. I haven’t put any on my 360 yet so I can’t compare. Sorry. I’d keep both because I love both for different reasons. But in your case you might trade in.
I think that the online on the actual game is the same, just Xbox Live has the spotlight and stuff which tells you info on things. The psn isn’t laggy or anything, and performs as you would want it to, so yeah maybe for me Xbox live is just what i like, also maybe it’s worth me mentioning that demo’s take quicker to download on Ps3, even though that and the Xbox is the same distance away form the router. But obviously you might have a different case……..
I think when i said “The Psn isn’t up to scratch by a long shot” I was too harsh, i just have more fun on Xbox live. I really enjoy both consoles.
I don’t think it was harsh at all.
Hell, I haven’t used any of the online features of the PS3 since I played LittleBigPlanet for a month straight near it’s launch, though I am considering trying out the multiplayer on Uncharted 2 as I’m yet to hear anyone I know well bash it.
Okay…December 2009 is about to come out and I can’t decide what to get; Xbox 360 Elite, Ps3 slim, Modern Warfare Limited Edition Xbox 360 (Go look it up), or Ps3 160 GB, or Ps3 250GB Uncharted 2 Edition but i need your help on what to get since you have all…
I am a BIG gamer and love games that have awesome graphics…right now I am siding with the Xbox 360 but i need your opinion.
What I look for in a game console:
Great graphics
Great exclusives
GOOD online experience (don’t mind paying)
Can play games from the previous generation
Reliable company
Good future
Great for media (a little bit)
and last of all
Good HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE
I really want to buy a good system.
I am worried of the Xbox 360 cause of the lack of hardware, like built in wi-fi and blu ray and that it will cost a lot..also the lack of accessories. SO basically I’m worried that it is not as powerful but I really really really like the fact that it is actually making use of the power of the system unlike the Ps3 and that it has good and the best DLC for games.
I am worried of the Ps3 cause of the controller, the interface, and the lack of good software and DLC for games. But I do like the exclusives for the Ps3 like Metal Gear Solid 4 but not as much as the games on the Xbox 360 I also like the fact that the Ps3 will be supported for life by Sony because it is firm ware upgradable.
Please please please please help me with this and answer back!
*And say why it is important also*
And also say what model of the system you think i should get FOR EXAMPLE: If you say I should buy a 360, say what model i should buy like the Pro, the Elite, or Modern Warfare 2 Edition.
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Firstly, check for the exclusives you’d prefer. I recommend looking up the list of games pages on wikipedia for each as it gives you some idea of which games are on which console.
Know beforehand that though I own both the 360 and the PS3 I’m a real 360 fanboy just as most regular posters here seem to be somewhat fanboyish for their system of choice.
Great graphics? Well the 360 has the most powerful graphics solution, but it’s debatable to some. Most third party games seem to look noticably better on the 360 as often the PS3 versions are 360 ports, and the PS3 can’t render some things like the 360 can.
Great exclusives? It depends on what you like, but if you’re talking console exclusives (meaning games exclusive to one console and also on PC are included as well) the 360 always seems to have more exclusives, though better will depend on your tastes.
Xbox 360 has a better online experience, especially if you don’t mind paying for it. It has more downloadable games, better technical support (which you’d expect as a customer who pays for a service), has more online features better integrated into the user interface and a few bells and whistles PS users still lack such as cross game chat.
Xbox 360 can play a good deal of Xbox games (list on the xbox site), but not all of them. Current PS3s cannot play any PS2 games but do support PSX games.
Reliable company? Well I’d have said Sony last generation, but this generation they seem to be getting sloppier. I wouldn’t really recommend either Sony or Microsoft for reliability though Nintendo seems as high quality as ever.
Both consoles have a while to go before their full potential is harnessed. And I’m guessing by the time the PS3 is fully harnessed the next xbox will have come out and will have better specs. Why? Well it was only near the PS2′s decline that some of the really high end games came out and it’s a whole lot less harder to work with than the PS3.
Media is where the PS3 is king. 360 won’t play bluray movies and can’t playback some formats the PS3 can without using it as a media extender. Both can stream hi-def video (360 being lower def currently, with a change brought by an update within the next two months), both can download video.
The hardware is good on both, though both seem more likely to die than most previous game consoles, if you’re going with the 360 I’d recommend a Jasper as previous revisions had a noticable amount of RRoD units. Software’s also fairly good on both, both being updatable and having a wealth of features. PS3 looks more plain in the interface, but add a decent wallpaper and it looks ace, 360 has premium themes that can give a better look, but most also set you back a bit of money.
In regards to the rest, both the PS3 and the 360′s firmwares are updatable. Blu-ray is crap for gaming due to limited readspeeds. The 2x blu ray drive the PS3 comes with reads a constant 9MB/s which coupled with longer tracks on the discs makes for longer loading times unless a game’s tracks are optimised, but only a few games seem to have done that. It’s great for if you want to start collecting blu-ray movies though. Oh and the wifi included with the PS3 mightn’t be an advantage for long. It isn’t wireless N compatible and Microsoft are releasing a second wifi connector that is wireless N compatible for the 360.
I think you should get an Xbox, the Modern Warfare 2 edition if you plan on installing a lot of games to the hard drive and downloading a fair few games, a cheaper model if you don’t care for that. I’ve noticed my 120gb hard drive is near full after downloading 167 arcade games, 7 xbox 360 games and 11 xbox originals. The upside to that is being able to play 185 games without having to get up to change discs. =D
I’ll be buying either the Modern Warfare 2 edition or the Forza 3 250gb model if it’s released here myself.
ok, you guys have been a major help….
i have another major problem.. i download shit like movies and stick them on my external hard drive.. and plug it in to my xbox and watch them… aparantly on the ps3 video comes out a little slower but on the x box there perfect….
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i think im buying a ps3 lol
Seriously guys before starting to whine about ps3 is better than xbox360 and vice-versa, you should think like this (if you don’t think im correct just whine more =] ) If you want hd gaming and you also like to often watch a movie you should go for the ps3, i got both platforms and let me tell you the ps3 graphics look better than the statistics seriously, but if you want a simple platform to play good games and chill out with your friends than the xbox360 is the deal.
I don’t care about you, but in my oppinion ps3 surpasses the xbox360 not by much but thats egnouh to choose between a ps3 and a xbox360
The graphics are not that much different on these consoles. You are looking at 2 consoles with roughly the same amount of useable memory for the games. The sharing aspect on the 360 is to much overhype considering that takes away from the cpu side. That limits the games pre-render data. Thats the reason the differences are minute. So if you are going for the killer graphics then buy a PC. End of story.
Gameplay is going to always be more prominent on the original console the game is made for. Exceptions to that are games that are truly remade for the other console (ie Oblivion). I have played that on the 360 and the PS3 and the game is just better on PS3. Faster loads and improved image quality. Draw distance was improved and they worked over some graphical details. (They took a whole year doing it too). Set backs are the lack of DLC (MS plays a role in that on lots of games). As devs poop out PS3 originals and port them to 360 we should see more and more DLC for the PS3. I wouldn’t expect that the graphics are gonna be “better”. Its of course all in your head.
Wasn’t the 360 version a PC port and wasn’t the PS3 version released a year or so later after being mostly remade? I’m sure the 360 version would have been better than it was and a good deal less buggy if it had people optimising it for a good deal of time after the PC release.
Look at 360 ports on the PS3 as well, they all tend to play inferior. But graphics mightn’t just be in your head. One thing I found particularly interesting was CoD WaW on the PS3 and 360. You could visibly see that both had low res and high res textures in different areas, some of which didn’t really make sense to me, but then I wasn’t the developer and I haven’t read any juicy developer info on the game.
Fact:
PS3′s next firmware update will include cross game chat…. Enuff said
PS
Uncharted 2 is AMAZING…. Done
Fact: A rumour appeared on several sites like Kotaku sparked by a post from a Naughty Dog developer which got deleted fairly quickly. Official spokepersons haven’t confirmed or denied.
Cross game chat maybe a new feature on PSN in a new update, quite frankly i’m not interested because Xbox live has had it from day 1. I use my xbox to play online and fps games, i use my PS3 to store pics,music blah blah and play a couple of exclusives. I like games for both consoles. One thing i will mention though is that PS3 fanboys on places like youtube argue that Ps3 has “more, better exclusives” even though they mention games like motorstorm 1 & 2, I’ve played them and they suck. I think killzone 2 is a great game, brilliant graphics and that, but it doesn’t support map making and little things like that, that make halo 3.
And i agree with zindikar, the graphics are no better on either console for multiplatform games. Choose what you want. don’t let angry fanboys make a choice for you.
Dennison you have to make a choice:
Xbox 360:
Great online experience( my opinion) worth paying for
pretty good exclusives
multimedia center
backwards compatibility with original xbox
unfortunatley reliability is not brilliant, but I’ve not had red ring of death yet-so don’t let it put you off
PS3
alright online
a great line up of exclusives that are coming out
good reliability
good multimedia center
unfortunaltey PSN isn’t as good as xbox live
Your 1st article was pretty biased towards the 360, I must say. You listed few pros for the PS3 and lots for the 360. But your 2nd article was pretty good, and the last was very nice. However, you forgot a few thing, and some i will simply make comments on.
PS3 Pros
-Rechargeable battery, no battery wasting
-Blu-ray automatically installed
-In recent times, huge number of DLC games, good ones too, like Fat Princess, Killzone 2, MGS4, and Others
-Free online service, no monthly charge, except the Qore thing which isn’t worth more than 1$. Most demos can be attained without it. Ex. MGS4, Uncharted 2, COD5, NBA 10, NHL 09, Madden 10, etc.
-Life with Playstation (formerly folding@home) a great thing and ingenious idea
-Lowish failure rate
-New PS3 slim cheap and 120GB
-Uncharted 2… I mean, DAMN that is a great game
-Warhawk, nuff said
Cons
-Higher price usually
-Fewer people have it for online, 360 has a larger base
-Hehe, Motorstorms suck
-Pretty poor PSN is
-Less hardware (MW2 biased, anyone?) than 360
-Dust shows up easily :D
360 Pros
-Better online service
-Bigger fanbase, more people
-Better communicating
-GoW series
-Cheaper
-Lots of accessories
-etc.
Cons
-Failure rate used to be 7 out of 10, now like 1 out of 3
-RROD
-Pay for online service
-bugs and tech issues
-Louder fan
-controller isn’t so hot
I have a PS3 and Wii, I’d rather have PS3 and 360. I’d buy both, but if you really can only get 1, I’d go for the PS3 slim and MW2.
I’ve come to realize that this “war” will never end for the simple fact that we are “fan boys” of either the X-Box 360 or the PS3. Personally I’m a PS3 Fan Boy I admit it. So the only advise I have for those that are confused about their gender, I mean console of choice, buy the one that you think is a good investment for the next 5 years. On a brighter note go Yankees
PS3 ID: LuiMi85
Come get pwn’d in uncharted 2!!
The cross-plat games between PC and 360 were supposed to be seemless according to the designers of the 360. Thats why it is based on pc type architecture. They have to scale the image quality back due to poor memory pooling (both consoles suffer here). Here we are trying to make a console with about 25% of the memory of a pc do things in resolutions that alot of pc gamers don’t even have the screens for. There are some people out there with higher resolution screens but they are likely to have dual cards with 1 gb fast ram or more in each card plus loads of system memory. The statement about Blu-ray being slower loading is laughable. Fact is that if you are running your drives at max speeds all the time you are not a good developer. Second thing is that all 360 games must be made to play without a HDD by MS own doing. The PS3 had the HDD as a standard allowing devs to use it to prevent load issues. My Oblivion game loads much quicker than my friends 360.
Trust me the differences that are stated on thes sites using fraps have their limits in real world use. You cannot visualize most of the frame rate issues that people are complaining the PS3 had. Very few times in my playing it have I ever experienced such a problem. They both have issues and usually it is not the GPU or CPU but memory constraints that cause them in the first place. But why does it happen more on PS3 you say. Simple. If the dev runs more of a gpu design in his game, he will have the shared memory advantage in the 360. If they go with cpu oriented they again get the advantage of memory on 360. Only when they balance things does it come down to the GPU or CPU. But then the HDD comes into play. It can serve as a memory cache so to speak. I could’nt tell you all the stuff as I have not written anything for them. These are just the obvious things. I still expect the future of the PS3 to pull out in front of the 360 due to the CPU and its abilities beyond that of the 360′s. This will not be a graphic thing as much as a environment thing.
Backwards compatability. It is nice but I think people are asking PS3 to be too much. Yeah the 360 is compatible with the first. So was PS2. This is the 3rd PS not its second. I would venture to say that MS will not make a backwards compatible console for both the XBOX and XBOX 360 on the next machine. Either way all this talk on the download games and now people want it here and there. Get the download version of PS1 games for $5. Never have to handle any case or disc so whats the big deal. If you are playing the old games then why buy the new ones anyway. I haven’t played but one old game in the last year only because it came out at the end of PS2 (mine is backwards compatible), FFXII.
Sony is already developing a PS4. It is likely to have the cell that is in the PS3 with a dual gpu set up. I also expect a larger memory bank and possible an isolated memory pool for the OS. Things they are learning as they go.
Just buy something already and enjoy it.
I think Sony ought to concentrate on improving the PS3 before even bother with PS4. I think that the Ps3 should have backwards compatibility with ps2, even if it costed a bit more. More people would buy it. As for GOOD PS3 exclusives go, I would say Killzone 2, uncharted 2, MGS4 and Infamous. I thought resistance 2 did great advertising there “amazing 60 player online” but in reality it’s fun for 10 minutes then your bored rigid.
I’m not a fanboy, i have no need to be as i own both consoles
at the moment ive got a ps3 but all my mates say xbox is better cuz of online in a way i want to get it but imm worried that if i get it the new xbox “xbox 720″ will come out soon after . do you know how long untill the next oone comes out and should i get one?
Have not heard that they are developing a next XBOX yet. I am sure they are but I would say they won’t cut the 360 short by introducing another too soon. It may be another 2-3 years I would think. That way MS can profit more on the platform. Same for PS3. They are developing another but I would say they will hold back a little while or they will both be eating some serious losses. I am not saying buy an XBOX 360. I am just saying do not allow the next generation consoles be your guide. Too little is known on either side to know. Honestly I am looking for that OnLive idea to become the more desired approach. That is the streaming data online gaming company for those who do not know about them. All you have is a modem looking box and some kind of controller or keyboard setup. No fans, no discs, no big console, just a clean gaming experience. Will require a very good ISP though or you will have nasty looking frame rates. Best of luck on your decision.
Hi all, this is a fascinating article.
To throw my opinion in, I have only ever owned Xbox, starting from when it was first released right up to 360. However, i am really disillusioned with the series now. I have had three Xbox consoles break on me, the most recent was an Arcade version i bought last May, which had both LROD and disc tray problems. As someone who often moves between countries (currently in Turkey which has no Xbox support), this has become a royal pain in the ass and i have had to pay my own money to get it fixed despite still having a valid guarantee. The Xbox support process takes an absolute age and still has no guarantees. The console is also VERY LOUD, with both the fan and disc spin reverberating across the room.
However, the biggest qualm i have is in the price and variety of Xbox accessories. Having made the silly mistake of buying the Arcade version, i then had to purchase an external memory harddrive and an HDMI cable. I also was hoping to play online via wireless connection but the xbox-official router is very expensive, while the asian cheap alternatives are complex to set up.
My final judgement- If you want a peace of mind, with no further expenses or technical problems, buy the PS3. If you want great online gaming at the expense of escalating costs and technical glitches, get the 360.
Reliability of newer 360 models makes the peace of mind thing a moot point, unless you’re talking about paranoia induced by 360 models of the past?
I mean really, only a few newer models seem to die and those that do are usually replaced quite easily.
None of my PS3s have come with a HDMI cable neither. :/
I’m soo gawna buy a ps3.I think for instance the console exclusives are alot better! (I’m not guessing, I’ve tried ‘em) And the Ps3 slim makes like almost no sound at all, I love that when you compare it to the Elite who sounds like an jet engine. One thing I gotta admit though is that Xbox Live market is way easier and better than playstation network, but it’s like okay.
And because of that I’m gunna buy ps3 with Uncharted 2 Drake’s Fortune and inFAMOUS. And 2 non excusives: COD5 WaW and COD Modern Warfare 2. that’s at least the ones I’m sure about. It’s bullcrap that live is 500kr a year!
*I Tried the ones I’m gunna have: inFAMOUS and Uncharted 2
So you know the PS3′s exclusives are better because you’ve only tried the exclusives you’re getting (on PS3)?
Or am I interpreting that wrong?
Live is the only selling point. Sony could easily if not already make this a moot point. Thus leaving the devs to use it. That of course would end the 360, That is why MS is throwing money at it to hold devs to their platform with these worthless exclusive DLC. Go ahead and buy a 360 for live and live with the cheap designs of another MS pile of poo.
LOL. If Sony could topple XBL easily they’d have done it by now. Fact of the matter is that the 360′s ‘cheap designs of another MS pile of poo’ are superior to whatever you want to call the PS3 equivalent. But hey, at least Sony knows their online efforts are so poor they should give it free.
PS3′s selling points all rely on multimedia playback and it’s ability to surf the net. Big whoop, the budget laptop I just bought my computer illiterate mother can do all that AND it has higher specs.
yeah, silver has you there. as for sony being able to make psn better, that is quite laughable. you make live sound insignificant, zindikar whereas many people, (like myself) would prefer live than an offline game. except for forza motorsport 3 though, it uses physics unlike gran turismo.
LOL, GRAN TURISMO = NO DAMAGE ON CARS. that is why they ( Polyphony digital) are taking soo long to bring out GT5 cause they saw what Turn10 did with Forza 3
( demos,E3,etc ) and they realised they actually need to use physics unlike their predecessors. but to what extent…………………………….
btw, no ps3 fanboy trie to tell mem otherwise, as i had ps1 and ps2 day one and owned up to gt4, and i am stil laughing at the front cover, ” the real driving simulator’. it used next to no physics compared to the original forza, which came out shortly after gt4, the reason i quit on GT series is that i was sick of the same race tracks from GT1 all the way up to GT4. They kept using old tracks which seemed so tedious and an absolute borefest.
***Piece**** out………………………cut cut slice chop
Gran Turismo having no physics?
Define physics. I have GT4 and I can build a car to an exacting spec for acceleration and control as well as top speed. The handling of cars is crucial. Mustangs were as horrible in cornering as they are in reality. (Had several) Certainly there could be more but as many people know the old plats couldn’t do it all well. I can’t vouch against or for Forza. Never played it.
Online argument is rediculous. If you think that a company like Sony is not capable of matching this super experience on Live you are a fool. They said that windows couldn’t be beat years ago and we have had multitudes of better OS out by plug style programmers sharing code. It is nothing more than the GUI that needs changed. Live is not as vast as PS network. I played KZ2 and Uncharted2 online demos and they were quick and properly responsive (I was doing it with a wireless connection to my router as well). So what is your point?
I could care less what happens to Sony Online still. It is just a part of the whole. If XBOX is going to live on online, what new idea is there to keep it inventive that will bring people that have more than a one tracked mind interested. Hence not that same FPS run to this spot grab this gun and kill that same dude everyday? Movies? Sony can do it. They even have an inside track. Maybe you have heard of Sony Picture Studios. Games? We have plenty of them for download. How many do you need? I can’t see you playing all the games there before the next ones hit. So where can you go?
Neither are better than the other overall. Each hold little edges except for one. The hardware upgrades. PS3 absolutely owns this. We do not have to wait for MS to give us the option. We have a HDD and screwdriver and we have what ever size HDD is available to Notebooks. Reliabiltiy aside (MS has finally worked that out I believe), the aesthetics of the PS3 are better. No disc tray to break, and quieter operation. Again it is all in what you like.
I still will not buy MS. They have been horrible to their customers in more than one industry and will continue to butter and deceive all of them. You have Live and a broken XBOX, did they reimburse you for the time you were down? Bet not. This is customer service at its worst. MS is just that kind of garbage.
So you are saying that you would buy a cheap pc over an Alienware that comes with special online services for a nominal fee? The XBOX is poorly designed. Its a good gpu slapped with a prebuilt cpu. They didn’t take the time to engineer it to be both good quality and cost effective to build. The only thing MS thinks about is profit. Look at the history of MS Windows. Same poo. How many times have they released a product that was and even remains garbage. Too many to remember. And the competition never wins. Why? Marketing and buy ins. If they don’t throw their money at it from all angles, MS would have lost to all their competitors by now.
Have you tried linux? A much better experience than Windows (and more stable). Also you are blatant in fanboyism in saying that Live is so much better. I have not seen anything that would make the SOE worse. I like the menu setup and everything. I have no trouble finding what I want. You are more comfortable with Live because it is what you knew first and just like your controller, you have a biased based on that. It is stupid to assume you are even going to say a positive about PS3. I give credit to both for what they have and I still say the PS3 is for me. I would not support MS in anyway again. They take all the money they can and still feed us S**t. They keep doing it because fools keep buying it. Make them hurt one year and they would have to change. But nobody will because their is no pride in what we do to earn the money we spend and only pride in what we spent it on.
MS will always be and MS will always produce just good enough to sell garbage. Buy the market as they started out with. The first version of Windows was written by a team from the Xerox company. Gates bought it from them and the rest is history. Sony started out the PS1 with a proprietary idea and the programmers hated it. Today nobody can deny that they are approaching these consoles in a harsh but positive way for the gamers perspective. Certainly they make hard to program for consoles. They also make very capable consoles. The cell if anything can take the game in a whole new direction once again. The life of the PS3 will show just as the others did, they were right and others will follow. I guarantee that MS has not lost a cent with Live. When you look at the supposed console overhead and Live MS makes up so much ground here. Lets say only 5 million people have live gold and thats it. You are talking 250 Million dollars a year. They surely have pocketed a billion on that alone. Now look at the global coverage of both online networks officially. PS3 serves 36 countries while the 360 only 26. So where is that cash going. Right into the greedy pockets of MS. You wanted a slap in the face you are getting it now.
So feed MS if you will. All I have to say is Windows ME, NT, Vista, and RROD. You got what you payed for. Keep feeding them coin and keep getting the quickest, just good enough garbage MS produces. And call Sony’s free stuff useless even. Doesn’t bother me. In fact I look at online gamers and laugh. You are playing the exact same game over and over. You are not experiencing anything new. Lets run around this map for 8 hours and now we know were all the ammo and weapons spawn and shoot at people. Awesome. I hate FPS anyway. And then you get little children whom play it all the time. We kicked your A** they say. Well good for you, I hadn’t the time to even learn anything about the map or locations of weapons, etc, etc. Not that I have done it many times but I have done the Halo online bit. To repetitive and boring for me. I like more strategy and RPG than shoot ‘em up bang bang games anyhow. I do have FPS though. I play the storyline and I am finished. MGS4, Bad Company, Far Cry 2, and the Orange Box. I did like the Map Editor in FC2. It gives another dimension to gaming in FPS.
This is a long post so I will sum it up. I don’t hate 360 owners or even resent them. I hate MS. I have spent loads on the junk they produced, and more time fixxing the things. Vista the most recent and they are dropping that already for 7. Long live the profittering poo MS produces.
Good Luck to all gamers whichever you have or choose.
Alienware PCs are totally overrated. You could build something a couple of times as powerful for half the price and that cheap laptop I bought my computer illiterate mother also came with a year’s technical support at no extra cost.
I’ve been using Linux since the late 90s. The setup I’m using now is a dual install Windows XP/SUSE setup and it proves that together Windows and Linux can do near anything. I do recall using Linux on a phat PS3 and realising it worked really, really shittily (unlike the linux based OS of my GP2X Wiz which is a masterpiece) regardless of how long I spent optimising settings. Seriously, I got more lag than I remember having with a Duron running Linux Mandrake I owned back around ’99 or ’00. As good as Linux is though, even with VMware, Wine and other emulators/compatibility layers, it still lacks the compatibility Window has with a wider range of commercial software, and that does indeed include games. You can use a virtual machine? Well yeah, but it’ll be running that piece of shit windows you hate so much.
The PS3 is poorly designed. Even now, more than a couple of years after release, most developers are still struggling to tap it’s potential. You mentioned that the 360 was a good GPU slapped with a cheap CPU, but then look at the PS3. It uses a CPU not designed with gaming in mind coupled with a GPU they added in at the last minute, and to top it off, one that was inferior to most midrange PC graphics cards at the time of release. Oh and they decided to include a strew of multimedia features including blu-ray which don’t exactly compute well in gaming terms neither. I mean really, why include the ability to process vast streams of information when your method of data input can only stream information at a much slower rate? HELLO FORCED INSTALLS, part of the reason lazier PC gamers wanting instant gratification like myself turned to console gaming in the first place. 360 games I can install at my leisure, but if I want to play them as soon as I get them, I can do that too.
And what’s to say Sony isn’t throwing vast sums of money at their PS3? Last I checked they were still losing money with each PS3 thanks to spending so much on making their machine a multimedia centre and they were totally full of foresight thinking they’d make it back on games when many of their units go as cheap supercomputers to educational/scientific institutions rather than being used for games. Which also has the effect of driving up the sales and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a big part of the decision to remove the ability to install your own OS. Of course, the smaller range of titles on the PS3 might increase sales of games Sony themselves release, but that’s not really an advantage for the end user, is it?
Ah, the majestic PSX. I’m pretty sure it’s history began when Nintendo and Sony started working on a SNES-CD add-on when their partnership fell through due to Nintendo not wanting Sony to have the rights to any games on the SNES-CD format. I don’t know where you got your sources from but most sources I’ve read state that the reason so many developers jumped ship to PSX over the SNES/N64 was that the machine was easier to write for as the CD-ROM format allowed for a much greater deal of available memory meaning less optimising for space requirements was required to release a game. It’s why developers like Square jumped ship around the PSX era. Of course carts still had faster read times and built-in battery backup while CD-rom based units back then required memory cards, but that’s another matter entirely. Games back then still weren’t too graphically intensive so even CDs could stream memory efficiently and didn’t require forced installs.
And if you read back all my posts you would see I HAVE given positives about the PS3 at times and even recommended it to some people based on their stated needs. I’ve never called the PS3 names like ‘a pile of poo’ or similar, so even if I am more than a little biased, what about you? All I go by is my experience with both consoles and I have spent rediculous amounts on both of them.
A slap in the face for paying $50-$100 a year to play all of my games online with decent technical support and very little downtime? A single online PC game often costs more yearly and I’m getting to play on my console which feels awesome. Gamepads and headsets are a winning combination. Oh and can it with your FPS argument. Unlike most genres, PS3 seems to have the better shooters this generation which is a funny reversal of Xbox vs. PS2. No, the closest games to FPS’ I play regularly on my 360 are both multiplatforms (Fallout 3 and Borderlands) and I tend to find most of my online gaming is centred around racing games, RPGs and those of my 169 downloaded arcade games supporting online play. From what you’ve mentioned it sounds like you play FPS games a good deal more than I do, though I too had fun with Far Cry 2 (on xbox 360). I’m paying to have more games available to me via download, more games playable online, more DLC for my games, more online features such as crossgame chat and better technical support.
I just hate that some people attack the people that release the consoles for things they’ve done outside of the console when they can’t think of many decent ways to attack the console itself. It’s pretty sad that the only argument there I can see against the 360 is it’s reliability when with newer revisions the average 360 is actually fairly reliable.
ps3 will have netflix support in usa asof early 2010.. im not a fanboy but personally i think ps3 0wnz
you forgot about the dics both systems use, the 360 uses dvd rom which at most can only hold up to 15 gb of data, while the ps3 uses blu ray discs which hold up to 50 gb of data, but the blu ray dics take more of a hit when scratched because it is packed so densely in one disc, that is why you hear about the coating it has on the disc, because without it, the worlds population wouldnt be able to handle the blu ray. and maybe you notice on some multiplatform games, the ps3 may have more detail or a bigger city or something like that because of the extra storage. im no fanboy but i would reccomend the ps3 if you love media, but often play games, but i would also reccomend a 360 to any of you who are die hard hardcore gamers who play video games all the time, so i guess i would reccommend myself a ps3
So you built your 360?
Whats the Linux argument you made have to do with mine? PS3 being able to run one is not even part of it.
Devs are being lazy. Programming for PS3 requires the devs to make the branch predictions in code and not have a cpu do it. The CPU of the PS3 was specifically designed for gaming as you can look up on IBM’s own website. The argument you make is not even valid. There are countless articles about lazy programmers wanting quick ways to port. They don’t want to make the move to the more capable if they have to put their backs into it. That is why exclusives look phenominal and play phenominal on PS3 and the ports just so-so. Give me a real argument on that with some verifiable data and I will let it go. The gpu difference is minor. Again with bad programming it looks worse than it would be with good programming on the PS3.
MS had thrown money at devs not their console. You even stated that the PS3 has been tossed money at the console itself. You make my point even more obvious. Look at what I am saying instead of what your thinking up. If MS pays devs to shade to them with DLC and games, how can another console compete without support? Sony will not pay to make a game on their console. Never had to before. Again, lazy and greedy devs are doing the pitfalls for PS3. Doesn’t make PS3 worse. First-party games are superior as even the reviews have stated. KZ2 and UC2 alone have been said to have no competition. You try to downplay that but they are many and you are one.
I see nothing in your point about PSX that makes my statement about Sony’s run with consoles any less relevant. They were forward thinking as always.
My statement about MS being pile of Poo is simple. They continue to develop and fix later on all aspects of business. Name one thing they make that they don’t have to do major fixxing. They are the only company that has created products with dismal outcomes and still have large sales. Why? Because they have either bought out competitors or paid to be put in everything out. They pay PC manufacturers (even Sony) to put their junk on their pc’s. By paying, I mean of course the incentive discount on their product if they make things like Internet Explorer, and their Office programs the default of the machine. So they basically are cramming their name down every ally. So what does that hurt you say. Now talking about things you are comfortable with. Like you and your controller or GUI’s, people get familiar with MS. If the switched from Office to Corel, they would be lost and uncomfortable. Corel is just as capable though. But that little edge takes the cake and Corel doesn’t get a chance. See my point with MS. They are up to it again in the Gaming world. Buying the marketshare. You think Live is great due to its enormous selection. You are aiding in paying off the market and you can kiss competition good bye. Then when MS is all alone, you will be crying and no one will listen. They will set the prices and standards. Thats what they have done to PC and they have killed that market some already. DX 10 games are now dead. What do you want next?
Cross game chat probably will not be an option beings that the games are on their own servers as I understand (PS3). Again that to me is good, that means Sony is letting the devs do what they want. So better gameplay or talking to people. The future of the Sony Network continues to be a driving point for most. I don’t care. I like the demo and old and impossible to get games (FFVII for example). But that is not a real point of interest as I bought the PS3 for the future of gaming. When the Cry Engine 3 games start hitting, the visualization of physics will be made more realistic on our tv screens.
Still have to hate MS.
Forgot about the “forced installs”. Most games have installs but I have plenty that do not. Devs love that they can do Installs at their discression when MS says it must play without. Another point for the PS3 that you make. Continue your spills. I will bring back the websites if I must.
http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-uncharted-2-mastering-the-cell
This is a good vid to see what makes PS3 handle that limited GPU.
This is MS paying for market share.
http://ve3tro.com/2442/gta-dlc-exclusivity-a-lost-and-damned-financial-idea/
Cheap design here.
http://news.filefront.com/xbox-360-rrod-fiasco-caused-by-cheap-chip-design/
PS3 hate due to requiring work here.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/10/valves-gabe-newell-sounds-off-about-games-industry.ars
Lazy Devs again. (The Uncharted 2 vid shows the leap can be made and with great returns.)
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/03/ps3_is_hard_to_develop_for_but_it_doesnt_really_matter.html
Really sad to see that the easy way is the way we will play. If the world just took the easy way we would not have electricity, light bulbs, television, etc, etc… My point is MS is using the pc architecture to get devs to sack advancement. Parallel programming for instance. Intel and AMD have generated chips that can utilize this type of software architecture only to find a roadblock from programmers (MS included). This is not a new concept. The rules for the transistors are showing that we are nearing the top speed of a single die cpu. We have to move forward on software mutli-thread to prevent the speed-up we are used to from collapsing.
Before it is stated that the 360 can run just as many threads, I will point out that the Power PC architecture they use can actually allow only 2 threads to be tapped and one can be active at a time. That means 3 in motion and 3 on standby. The cell can actively run 7. The power pc will manage the SPE’s. With the development of true thread programming, the advantage becomes more obvious for PS3 in all incriments of gaming. MS knows this and is bashing and trying to prevent this as they did on pc’s for years. If they have no control they get nervous. Now, will the PS3 trounce the 360 ever. I bet not. Why? Money. MS has it to throw around and devs are not willing to spend it to get the fruit. They are afaid of fails and bankruptcy.
UC2 gives you a look. Cry Engine 3 may bring more to it. One never knows until it is done. For now I still have no regrets with my PS3. I am sure 360 owners can say the same. I know a few whom will be getting the PS3 due to the exclusives. In retrospect, I may get a 360 if the FFXII stuff is there. We shall see.
Game on. Peace out.
Heres a video on the fruits of programmer labor on both consoles.
http://www.youtube.com/v/eTvYPiEi4eU&hl=en&en&autoplay=1&hd=1
lol zindikar. you are an insecure nerd whoi loathes microsoft to the pint of crying. probably your resume’ got rejected or something. oh, and btw, no exclusive on the xbox 360 can compare to Uncharted 2 because they havent made an exclusive ‘ action adventure’ style game at the time uncharted 2 has been released. same goes for killzone; ( at most. Gears of War 2, even though it is a third person tactical shooter made 3 months earlier than KZ2 and didnt take 5 years to make). ‘action FPS’. although, its graphics are pretty damn awesome anyway. also, comparing something like L4D is stupid just because it is a FPS it is also bases around survivalhorror and utilises multiple enemies on the screen so the graphics aree bound to suffer. once again, im not sayind KZ2 and Uncharted 2′s graphics are crap, because i have KZ2 and am looking forward to getting Uncharted 2, and yes, their graphics are awesome, but you cant compare an apple to a dinosaur.
And the funniest thing you have said so far, was the CryEngine thing. Crysis uses CryEngine 2, which had far advanced physics than any platform game, which of course includes the xbox 360 and ps3. And its graphics???? Are you out of your fkng mind??
have you played crysis on a full resolution screen and seen it at full graphics?
what makes you think ps3 can handle a fully beefed up CryEngine 3 engine? Crytek are bringing crysis 2 out on pc,xbox 360 and ps3 but how will they do it? the multiplatform engine will be far more superior on the PC.
BTW, ‘Dunia’ with Havok Physics isnt as great as CryEngine 2. it may be less demanding, but is suffers in the physics department and has no particle effect what so ever.
The only reason why KZ2 has taken five years to make is because the game was built from scratch, with its own game engine, but GOW2 uses the unreal engine, that epic have been perfecting since 1998. Every game that Epic Games makes is built on what’s gone before, whitch alows them to make games alot faster, but Guerrilla Games has only ever made four games to date and only one on the ps3. So its not realy fair to compare the development times, but saying that this should mean the KZ3 will be with us in a much shorter time, thats of course assuming their makinng it.
conanface
Do research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/cryengine-3-demo-gdc-europe-09-xbox-360-ps3-pc/2720154668/?icid=VIDURVENT07
Secondly where is the PC Crysis being brought in here you moron.
What I also find laughable is that you are stating no one will take the time to make a better game on a console that has been around for a year longer as well. Neither KZ2 or UC2 were in development for 5 years. Where is this statement coming from. Simple answer is that noone can program better on the 360 because it is to generalized and cannot be customized at the cpu level to do what is needed for an epic looking revelation on it.
Show me an argument with data not just your fanboy talk.
Wait, the psn cards weren’t out in january?
i got my ps3 in march…
This video has CryTek showing the ability of both consoles being able to do this CryEngine 3. Now I have not or ever will state that any of the consoles can out do a GPU in a pc. That would be stupid.
http://www.breakitdownblog.com/cryengine-3-ps3-tech-demo/
Seems from what the article stated, the PS3 is more of a movie thing while the 360 is more of an online gaming thing. I think the experiences from both consoles are different (I don’t own any, but I’ve played them before). If anything, this article has also hazed up my mind about choosing the console I want… Good one though!
Zindikar, a few brief points as I want to get back to gaming (way too many replies from you spammed up my email inbox).
1. So they pay for market share? Means 360 owners get MORE content. Epic win for the end user who chose a 360.
2. With new revisions come a more reliable 360, Jasper seems fairly durable. And let me also point out that the PS3 also has a higher failure rate than most older consoles as well. There have been a few batches of fruity PS3s, I know as I myself bought one.
3. Having to work more on games means games take longer to be developed and in some cases finances may run out leading to a project being dropped or shelved. It’s not just about developers ‘being lazy’ it’s also about the cost of time and resources, as with developing any commercial application.
4. KIllzone 2 was very likely in development for 5 or more years. It was first shown at e3 2005 (meaning it was very likely being developed for some time before that) and was released in 2009. That’s just an application of very basic research and even more basic maths.
moogle101, it uses the Unreal Engine 3, which is considerably different to the original Unreal Engine. Tried running an unreal engine 3 game on a previous gen console?
Silver,
Point taken, but I was only trying to point out that Epic Games is a very experienced game developer with their own game engine thats used by many other developers to save time, but Guerrilla Games started from scratch and their privious games have been less than great to say the least. So I would say that the five years have been well spent and the company now has both the experience and the game engine to make games in less time.(hopefully). I do love gears of war 1 and 2 but their was very little difference between them and even unreal tournament 3 looks very similar, but thats maybe not a bad thing.
I’d point out that the Unreal Engine was made to be multiplatform so any games made for it won’t show the 360′s potential like a game whose engine was made solely to the strengths of a particular console would. Unfortunately the 360 doesn’t seem to have many bigger first party developers using a specially 360 in mind created game engine, which I feel might be a big reason few of the games stand out too dramatically graphically (not that graphics make a game for me, though stylised imagery is a big plus).
Also, anyone else get one of those tokens to download God of War 3 from Sony? I’m just curious on how ‘exclusive’ the content actually is. Regardless, I can see myself having some fun with that as the only God of War game I wasn’t too fond of was that PSP one.
Zindikar and Silver:
Settle down a bit guys. Regardless of what either of you say Zindikar will still play his ps3 and silver will still play his 360. I have both consoles and think they both are good for different purposes. I happen to side more with the ps3 for a variety of reasons as it suites my gaming style and i don’t feel Live is worth the extra cash. BUT that’s my own opinion! Zindikar is right that Microsoft is a terrible company to buy a product from. But I still made the plunge because Halo kicks trash and the two player support is incredible on a 360. I feel like Zindikar makes the 360 sounds like a pile of trash and Silver makes the ps3 sounds like a pile of trash. But have you seen the cryengine video Zindikar posted? It performs on both consoles and looks the same! They both are incredible. I know the makers of Cryengine 3 said the ps3 has better physics and the 360 has slightly better graphics and what that amounts too is that when we as the consumer are playing we won’t be able to tell the difference. In the end I’m more excited about the ps3 as it still has potential. Uncharted 2 found new ways to tap into the Cell’s power. But regardless of what you think keep in mind guys that both systems are pretty freakin sweet. You make valid arguments but let’s keep the heat down a little ok? :)
I just want the argument to have validity if it is going to be made. I post loads of links and they have not. I post information to inform. It is not a rub in, it is to inform. Anyhow, you are right. I have a PS3 and am eagerly awaiting the next lineup of games. It is not like I haven’t played a 360. I gave them all a good once over before picking the PS3. I will no longer have more than one console. I used to have 4 consoles and I hated the mess they looked no matter how I placed them. I built a new entertainment center around my flat screen and it is perfect now. Besides Silver has been more than civil, the one I did not like the post of was Conanface. He tried to put words into my mouth about Crysis. I never said anything about any console game being better than a pc game like that.
Peace out!!!!!
I cannot find any information that actually shows the KZ2 start date. Sure they released some render video at E3. That was not a game. The engine was displayed in 2007. That leads me to believe that they had art in 2005 (some of which was more than likely pulled from the first KZ). I would say they used 4 years at least. I am not sure how big they are (man power) so I can’t say its the OMG that everyone is making it out to be.
Silver, read up on threading in the pc and console market. That is the wave of the future and PS3 is making it a reality. Now devs can go from the PS3 to pc (or vice versa) with cpu workloads to have a more seamless production of engines. The graphics of course would need to be uped for the pc. So the work becomes worth it. There are devs on other forums buzzing about the truth in the cell lighting a path to the quad core cpu’s in gaming rigs. They only state that they have to work around MS Windows road blocks. That is as it always has been anyhow. DX sets the standard in most games these days on PC. When DX10 was pulled things took a hit. Devs responded quickly though so it was minute.
How many times do I have to say they have improved the 360 reliability. The point was not how it is. The point is that it had to be fixxed in the first place. Thus another quick to the market without QC thing that MS is known for. You cannot argue against this so you bring up that it is good now. How much are you willing to spend on the next MS console knowing full well that they have done this sort of thing in all aspects of their business for over 20 years. Apple is actually running commercials about it here in the states. Rather humerous but people are starting to listen. Supposedly, 7 is not that kind of OS this time. We hope so.
Though I couldn’t be bothered looking it up, I just remember the controversy surrounding the footage shown at E3 2005. The whole Sony Vice President at the time saying it was real gameplay when the media picked out that it was pre-rendered footage as the audio was slightly delayed and there was one other thing which I’ve since forgotten. I also recall hearing the game was playable in some form in 2007, so there would have been a deal of time to further enhance the game after that. Either way, rendering and the like falls under the development cycle, so they were DEFINETELY developing Killzone 2 before E3 2005.
And looking at the Killzone 2 materials the developer released to the public shows that Guerilla games had to use a wide assortment of tricks to get the game looking as it is. As I’ve said here before, the game plays as good as it does thanks to the developer and not so much the gaming platform. Unfortunately for me I’m not too big on most FPS games, so the appeal is lost on me even if I do acknowledge the end result looks damn good.
Most PCs have been multiprocessing for some time now and the 360 itself can handle six threads, two per PPE. The xbox 360 has multiple cores just as the PS3 does even if it does indeed have a lower number than the PS3. I think one thing people don’t often realise is that the three PPEs in the 360′s Xenon are great all rounders while the PS3 has one similar PPE and several SPEs which don’t tend to be individually as good as PPEs as all rounders (I’m trying and probably at the very least partially failing to simplify here). The Cell architecture prioritises bandwidth over latency and favors peak computational throughput over simplicity of program code which can lead to some at times quirky output.
My point is thus: if it is fixed, why is it still a problem? Will you fail to enjoy a good newer PS3 if you had previously purchased one from a bad batch? I know I had a bad one and I can still enjoy exclusives on one of my PS3s. I also know I’ve never had a problem with any Xbox 360 I’ve owned personally (though I started with a Falcon, so I never had a dodgy launch unit). As bad as some MS products are, some are very decent even if introduced a little quickly at times. I’ve found I’ve not had problems myself, but I stay that way by not buying until I’m more or less sure something will work for me. I went straight from Windows 98 to Windows XP and will wait a while before I might decide to try Windows 7.
The great Maddox already tackled Apple’s offering (a page I have bookmarked as I do link it around every so often): http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
And as much as I love Linux and all things open source, I will happily jump right back on Windows if it means I can play games and use applications I just can’t get running in any OS bar Windows. I’ve also found that despite Windows having a lot of problems, it’s competitors often do as well and for basic desktop usage even Windows Vista ain’t so bad (though it is a resource hogging fiend that don’t seem to run hand in hand with most better games and also once again has a REALLY bad default defragmenting application).
Reliability is all good and well, but I buy for functionability. I want my games machine for gaming and the one with the most games, best online experience and specs that seem most well suited for gaming is the obvious choice for me. If I want multimedia I’ll buy a cheap multimedia box with a nice big LCD screen and some surround sound speakers. But as I’ve said before, my way costs money. If you don’t have access to the monetary reserves I do, I can really see why the PS3 might be the best system for you.
http://www.gamingfront.net/news/282/future-xbox-360-exclusives-will-surpass-killzone-2-microsoft
The above link is what is common in this generation of games and their makers/console providers. Loads of BS talk. That statement does 2 things. It says “we have nothing out that is that good” and “we are working to beat it”. You keep referring to these “tricks” as if they are doing something that any other game maker has not done before. Its not a dog, it is programming. They are actually doing a good job with the hardware, not cheating. Can MS compete? Certainly. The difference here as you state is the General Purpose versus the Not so General Purpose cores. Problem is that the SPE can do any calculation that the PPE can. The draw back is that it cannot use two different logics at the same time. Hence the need of a seperat thread on another SPE. If you watched the UnCharted video you can see the cell activity levels. These things are busy. That means games can and do utilize cell design. Why then would cell win. As the developers state, “They are fast and have very fast access to the local memory and each others local memory.” Cache on the XBOX 360 is shared and slower. Lots slower at that. That will take away from both the resource sponsoring (data serving), and total active data. The later is not much of an issue if you are not maxxing out the cpu. The first however can delay threads for more than a few clock cycles. This may not help either. You also have slower access to system memory. Unified Memory draw backs have been known for years, they did that on motherboards for pc for ages and you start to battle the gpu for space. The ps3 gpu can access the main memory as I understand. To what extent this is used or needed I have not heard.
I read more about how the cell can do pre-render and post visual effects far more efficiently than the PPE design in the 360 or the gpu’s of either. If this is all true, I can see where the PS3 has a real world advantage. That is why they keep getting these killer exclusives. Now we have to wait and see this MS based answer to the likes of KZ 2. I am eager to see if they will write a specific engine to run the 360. In my opinion they should actually be able to get more juice from it on the cpu side than a desktop. Of course that can’t make the games better than a pc’s. GPU’s are to slow and have to small of memory space for textures of that magnitude. This is an awsome thing we are all witnessing. A real challenge that will bring games further. This is very good for all of us gamers in the long run.
That video on that site was funny. They should note that MS is doing the same PC family thing so they have a counter against them there as well. They also try to say we are either all dumb or we are all really intelligent by having a really old man and a little girl race to perform on their pc’s. You must be lucky if you suffered no problems. With XP alone I am constantly forced to upgrade a graphics driver or audio driver due to Xp service packs and updates. I built all kinds of pc’s in the last 2 years that were like chess matches with MS. Of course I don’t build cheap ones. I have built an array of raid (and sli also poo : ) ). This latest was a Vista Premium 64-bit for a Crysis Geek. He wanted it to be so fast it would be blurry. I went with an AMD quad (Phenom), 8 GB of 1066 mhz memory in dual channel (4x 2 GB). Used a typically rock solid MB from Asus. It had a Sli setup, at the time it was the best (can’t recall the brand or series). Any rate, I finished installing the 64-bit os and rebooted. All was fine. I thought cool. Now load the drivers. Check. Now start installing the user software. Check. All was good. Ran a few test drives on various apps. Check. Even ran a MEM Test ISO. Check. All good. Hand him the machine and smile. Check. He goes home and I don’t get any bad news for a week. He says he has been running Crysis at 35 fps or something at high settings with AA and filters…. I am pleased. Everyone that comes over is begging me to build one for them too. Then the dreaded Windows update. We have a service that needs to be put in. O.K., he says. Install. That is the day that his games became dull. His frame rate went from good to completely unacceptable. Then the game that he could run at over 200 fps (Guild Wars), went to exceptionally great MMORPG to MM-RPG. That is right he keeps losing his connection to the server. That doesn’t sound like an OS problem, I say. He says but wait, my wife’s pc is hooked to the same router/modem (DSL) and it plays GW just fine. Ouch. Now I am confused. How did a Vista update kill his pc. I contacted MS. They said they did a security patch and DX service update. I tell them my (his) situation. They are confused. Hang up it is over here. I contacted every manufacturer that I used and not one answer. I cleaned out the system and re-installed. Worked. HMMMMM, I said. We know it was Vista update but we know not why. That was just one of the headaches I suffered by MS. Now, I will admit I am no PRO builder. I have a friend who is and he was stumped as well. He actually wrote code in the Marines. He is extremely intelligent at that stuff. I wanted to learn C and C+. He laughs at me. He writes in basic. He says that the real programmer doesn’t need to start with someone else’s constraints. He may be right, IDK. All he has is a black screen and a keyboard and he can make the magic happen. I digressed a bit much. My point is, this is my hatred for MS. Sure the Apple people have problems. I wish that when they decide to release updates that they clued the manufactures in so we could get coresponsive updates for the hardware and not suffer these types of problems. That is where the real problem starts. They treat the market as if they didn’t exsist. They cover their A**e** with them security patches and shutdown lots of working hardware. They should at least tell the end user that they will have worthless hardware (or drastically diminished uses). I know, I know. I am an A**. I just want what I want in the end.
Also, I am not looking you up man. I was just surfing and saw the avatar and thought of good ‘ol Silver. : )
Yeah, I think I’ve stated something similar, if not here then elsewhere. But as I’ve also said before that there aren’t many first party/closely tied third party publishers making a 360 optimised game engine (though I have noticed a few exceptions of late, look at the beauty that is Forza 3 for example). I also get the feeling we’re relatively close to seeing a ton of games that graphically crap all over current offerings such as Heavy Rain on the PS3 and Alan Wake on 360.
I keep referring to these ‘tricks’ as if they’re showing the limitations of a game platform and that’s exactly what they’re doing. Why would you need to use tricks to gain an effect over generating it all realtime? The answer? Because that uses an awful lot of system resources and a platform is limited by the hardware contained therein. A dog that can’t do tricks might just be either lazy or too intelligent to act subserviantly. Getting things to work via ‘tricks’ isn’t cheating neither, nor have I ever said it is. In terms of getting around a system’s limitations, it’s actually a good indicator of a development team’s skill. The better the end result on poorer hardware, the better a development team is. If you ever decide to get involved with homebrew/emulator development on a portable console, you’d see what I mean in an instant.
Your drawback itself shows your initial statement about SPEs and PPEs to be incorrect. An SPE cannot use use two different logics at the same time and surprise, surprise, a PPE can. This can mean applications can use the PPEs more efficently, but on the other hand, more complex applications might run on PS3 that mightn’t on 360. But we’re talking things like games with environmental effects in the background and stuff like that rather than the meat and potatoes of a game.
I’ll watch the UnCharted video sooner or later (getting shaped once again until around the 10th), but am I to believe that none of the SPEs were ever idling the whole way through? I just see that as being unlikely as I’ve heard a lot of people in the know suggest it mightn’t be possible to use the cell that efficiently any time soon. I’ll remain open to the possibility until someone confirms or denies it for me.
And yes, I’m well aware the 360′s architecture also has it’s shortcomings just as the cell does and just as the cell has some strengths, so too does the 360, even if many stem from the Xenos GPU as well as the three PPEs, and that wonderful daughter die the Xenos has giving 4x FSAA, z-buffering, and alpha blending with no performance penalty.
If I remember right, Maddox also isn’t too big on Windows, but I too have noticed more of the Mac posse acting like it makes them special or something. Reminds me of a great demotivator saying ‘Think Different’ or something showing an auditorium full of people with the same identical Mac laptop. I’m personally more a fan of Linux, but I’ve always seemed to have a dual install for all the games I want to play I can’t find a way to run via Linux. Thankfully the number of games is decreasing through compatibility layers and other means, but there’s still a fair few games I can only play through Windows (or a Windows virtual machine, but that’s a good deal slower than a dual install). Though I myself used to build PCs (gaming rigs for a few of the locals who wanted to save cash and have a Beast) and I don’t recall many issues with XP unless you were an early adaptor as the initial compatibility with many peripherals was fairly rubbish. It seems fairly logical to me that problems would arise there though as think of how many hardware configurations there are out there, it’d be near impossible to account for everything.
Your friend could very well be correct about Basic, but I tend to find it’s easier to introduce people to languages like Python which are very easy to get a wrap around. From there if you get into it, you might very well find yourself branching out and trying a few other languages. Granted I’m no expert as the only things I’ve ever created are simple little toys/widgits, but there is something interesting about doing so.
Silver is this you?
http://www.gamespot.com/users/Teufelhuhn/
No, though if you thought that due to the logo, it’s Ghost in the Shell’s Laughing Man logo.
Probably means the guy is a fellow fan of the anime. I’m fairly open about who I am online though, so I’d probably try googling my gamertag SilverAU or my older gamertag Silv3r89 if you want to do a search on me. Note that generally my username is Silver or some variation thereof.
The only reason i purchased a ps3 it’s because of it’s exclusive..Since i have already a blue-ray.Xbox 360 it’s also an older system … So the Ps3 lifespan’s actually longer.
And finally .. God Of War /Final Fantasy… The end.
I hope that Sony manages to put out their next console at relatively the same time as MS does. Regardless of any “advantages” they have now, those advantages will not hold up against the next consoles. Consider PS2 vs XBOX 360. The PS2 actually sold competitively after 360′s release. Reason….Price! After People played it, the 360 became the “better” choice. Sony cannot afford to become conceded and allow yet another 2 year span of dominance to MS. MS did dominate in the grand skeem. Software sales, Live, and console sales all add up. That is why Live is so important to MS. The level of profitability on it is higher than that of any game that they have. So for the gamers in general, Sony better bring it quicker. They said the PS3 is a ten year machine. It doesn’t mean that it is the only machine that they will have in those ten years.
Final Fantasy is what I have been hungry for too. Happy Gaming.
ohnoes, Final Fantasy is also coming to xbox 360!!!
I’ll probably buy it on both as I’m a big fan of the series (though not particularly fond of XII).
And you’re totally correct Zindikar. In the ten years, they also released the wonderful PSPGo, a magical machine that’s little short of a PS3 in price and is basically a crippled PSP (smaller screen, tighter packed controls, no UMD). That actually seems to be their current gameplan. Make everything smaller and cut features!
Actually, they are talking like the PS3 is getting some different Final Fantasy. The PSP Go has the same screen size (the controls just are not on the sides). It lost the UMD, those sucked. I had many of them and some of the protectors dislodged and made them mess up inside the PSP. You could reset them, they were just a bad design as far as being truly good portable media. As far as other features, you may or may not be right. IDK, have no interest, I bought mine for the long stays away from home as I am a Big Iron operator.
As far as SPE usage, I am still digging to see an actual realtime sampling of them. The Killzone 2 making video has them onscreen, but you can’t see the total runtime number. Blasted cameraman. As far as running a cpu full throttle. If you run the cpu full throttle for all of a game you are not a very efficient programmer. You will certainly have choppy gameplay, ie., the first Crysis. The KZ2 video does show the PPE number for a tunnel scene and the PPE is running at only 30-45% of its operations. The dev talking says that only 2 SPU’s are running most of the and I am guessing this is based on total time because the screen behind him shows all 6 are active. They however seem to be on then off so rapidly that they are not really loaded. The GPU and CPU stall numbers show that the GPU never waits on the CPU, but the CPU does wait on the GPU. Conversly, the GPU total run time is around 85%. Of course this is just one scene so gather what you can from just that. The tunnel scene is a train ride with a broken up tunnel wall so you get these light changes and motion blur. It seems to be a fair challenge to the console. I think I have posted it before but this video is better than the Uncharted at actually seeing how the cell is used (at the end of the clip, looking at 8:32 for CPU and after that the rest.).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_POAcHhNCik
It is a pain in the rear to pause it when this camera man isn’t moving to see them clearly but I have some of them so I know anyone else can. Good luck and Enjoy your gaming.
Since when did 4.3 inches (all previous PSP models) equal 3.8 inches (PSPGo)?
Granted it’s only about half an inch different, but when considering that the bigger of the two is under 5 inches, that half an inch is over a tenth difference. They still have the same screen resolution so the Go might look a tad bit sharper, but I think I prefer my screens a bit bigger. Like the DSi’s screen over the DSLite’s.
just to start of i am a xbox 360 owner and to be honest, i prefer it over the ps3.
whoever says microsoft are shabby when it comes to the xbox 360 compared to the ps3, and they dont like microsoft by chance they are a ps3 fanboy,think again.
At least Zindikar has a real reason ( to dislike microsoft), which i agree with mostly. microsoft can be a pain in the ass at some times, but when it comes to the xbox 360 i dont have a poroblem. now, to be honest, ps3 is actually superior in many ways, one that xbox 360 has ovewr the ps3 is its RAM, which is 512MB compared to ps3 256MB of RAM. although, the ps3 has limited RAM due to blu-ray.
just think of it like this, the ps3 came out roughly one year later, imagine if the next xbox console came out at the same time as the ps3, with one Whole year of technological advances, or did what sony did and released it one year after, which could have been a whole 2 years of hard building and new technology put in the xbox 360.
now sony were smart in some extent to leave it back another year, as they were able to build a more advanced and somewhat superior machine, but i really only want a straight out console for gaming. i dont want to have to pay for blu-ray, i dont want it. the movies are so expensive. but this is just my opinion. back when i was rally interested in a ps3, anbd even now i think that they should have had a ps3 without blu-ray so it becomes more affordable and ten a blu-ray one for other people, though, this would probably result in a huge loss of money as you cant expect a company to reprogram the whle inside of the console.
so what i am saying, just dont get to carried away at hopw much ‘better sony’ are when they had an extra year. not saying sony are bad, in fact they are extremely good. with all their TV’s, like LG, Samsung, Panasonic and of course their own sony bravias and such. these are all the best Tv’s in my opinion and sony make all of them.
so in the end sony and microsoft can be compared in other aspects, some relative or not but not really when it comes to the 7th generation of consoles.
and just to let you know, the Xbox 360 Elite isnt a whole new console that is evenly matched to the ps3, it is a newer model so that cannot justify in any way the end result of ps3 vs xbox 360, which you all probably know( the result)
Problems with MS are real as all companies have them. IMO, MS is just far more difficult to get resolutions with. I have seen youtube videos on how people are having to get the run around on the RROD consoles. The way they handled Vista issues with both consumers and peripheral producers should be outlawed. We are talking about people wasting not just a few dollars here. An OS at OEM cost around $88, Video cards around an average of $150 (for the sake of math). Now lets say the failure totals to 5,000 pc’s. That’s $1.19 Million. I can’t say how many suffered from this but I assure you I know 3 myself in a town of 13,000 people no less. They all will have to replace the GPU and OS more than likely to be able to play their games.
Onto the Blu-Ray factor. Games are not getting smaller. The latest PS3 games have effectively filled the first layer of the BD’s. That is 20+ GB of data. It’s not that DVD is bad for data, just the way Sony developed this system they wanted 2 things from that drive. 1) Selling point for the mass media market (movies) 2) The ability to run less complex or no compression algorithms. That may sound like BS. When you think about it, the idea of cell was to manage to unload cpu bound issues. So it makes since to do it in other places. Compression calculations on an SPE can and probably even is done, but why take away from their more aptly designed jobs of physics, pre-render, and post effects. Now you can see all this ideology on HTTP://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0hPGjlLDhY. This video clarifies how things can be manipulated to crush the barriers of the architecture of the PS3.
As far as the year later, they had many issues to contend. They spent a long time working on getting their fabrication yields on the cell to an acceptable level. The later 360′s are what the PS3 did before release. Properly engineered 360′s are now being made and now sold. (Maybe if they had spent another year they would have avoided the RROD, testing can prove lots of theories wrong sometimes.) Certainly that doesn’t change the ability of the 360, just the reliability. I, again, am not saying the concept of the 360 was bad. It was not. In fact the GPU was the most ingenious thing in GPU history. Now the same can be said for the cell in the PS3.
Also the memory numbers you gave are off a bit. The XBox has two pools of memory as does the PS3. 360 is designed with a 512 mb main memory pool shared by the cpu and gpu, then the gpu has an embedded 10mb for the daughter die. This measly 10mb is the part of the reason for the superiority of this gpu. I know its not even right that 10mb could do this much damage. It simply aids this daughter die in making things like Anti-aliasing, and filtering virtually undetectable as far as frame rates dropping are concerned. The PS3 is holding a 256 mb main memory with XDR speeds and the GPU has its own 256 mb as well as a channel to the 256 mb of main memory through the cell. So far, the PS3 has been punished in 3rd party games by the cell due to having to run on a single PPE on both the 360 and PS3. (Note : not all games are this way, just a good majority.) Advantage 360. But wait you say, if it runs on 1 of the 360 how is this an advantage? Through hours of digging, I have found that MS and IBM cleverly made the system use helper threading on the two idle cores. This means loads of data is prefetched and ready for the single thread to use. Less waiting on data means keeping your frame rates higher. That is why all the early games are showing such differences on the FRAPs. It is not the GPU of the PS3. If you think so look at early games like MGS4 and tell me that doesn’t have better visual imagery than those 3rd party games. It makes sense if you look at it and again, speaks volumes on the idea of the helper threads. At any rate, I have rambled on long enough as Silver will probably post next time. : )
PS I stated before that MS had a restriction on devs to not use the hdd for games. It seems due to some complaint by devs, they have let it slide some few times and are maybe going to lift it all together by ridding the market of the arcade sku’s (This is not verifiable as far as I know, but hey, who knows). Proof that they lifted the policy though was in the game Oblivion. My friend told me his game had 2 dvd’s (one had to be installed and the other had to be in for play).
I enjoyed your articles and I found them to be rather un-biased. I enjoy the 360 personally but not for any of your reasons you have mentioned. Solely on the fact that the PS3 controllers are uncomfortable. I would love to get one because I love RPGs and it does have good ones but the controllers just aren’t my cup of tea.
jsut wanna thank you for this very helpful article and encourage the relaese of this november’s article, interested to see how things change. Also just curious if the so called Jasper has made any difference?
yes Zindikar is correct. the xbox 360 and ps3 will both be getting Final Fantasy XIII ( 13 for those roman numeral impaired ). Also, the ps3 will be getting Final Fantay XIV ( 14 ), which is what it has been named so far, which is apparently an MMO. I think this is like to even it up cause the xbox 360 got FFXI ( 11) which was only online . but FFXIV will be better than that……………………………hopefully!
And the PS3 will also be getting FFXIII Vs. as an exclusive it appears at this point. Personally I don’t think I’ll be a fan of FFXIV if it uses a subscription based system like FFXI. I can see myself playing it for a month straight and then never looking at it again once that month expires.
But either way, the 360 will be getting Final Fantasy XIII. Just another Final Fantasy anyways, as like you mentioned, it already has Final Fantasy XI.
hey, zindikar or silver, i know the ps3 uses Blu-ray discs ( 25GB single layer. 50GB dual layer) but im wondering what the xbox 360 uses? i know they can play HD discs in the newer models, like mine but im not sure if the games do. if that is the case, then the xbox 360 is limited to disc sizes of 4.7GB and and 9.4GB instead of 15GB and 30GB. in the end, i think the ps3 was more optimistic with their disc sizes but will we all see the potential of blu-ray during the 7th generation of consoles, for microsofts sake, i hope not.
And about sony saying the ps3 will be a 10 year console, i hope that is true. as microsoft willl probably hold out to 2015 ( 10 years since the release of the xbox 360). Also, the main reason being is because the 2 consoles can be updated constantly and hardly anyone has utilized the capabilities of HD on their TV’s, some not being able to affors them and some not using them for games. as far as i know, the analog broadcast of television is being stopped in 2011, which means everyone will need a digital TV or a settop box in order to watch TV. that will hopefully prompt people into investing into a HD tv rather than wasting money on a set top box for an old crappy T.V which means everyone will have HD T.Vs and then will realise the capabilities of games, thus, microsoft and sony making more money and then they can start thinking of some wicked idea for the ps4 and the xbox ?????, well, whatever it will be called.
BTW, i own an xbox 360 and prefer it(?????) because i like playing gears of war 2 and bridging host so i rape everybody. ( sad, i know, but it is really fun ) my brother has the ps3 because he is like 26 and had the previous playstations on day 1 and didnt want to miss out on the sequals to the games he loved, GT5,Killzone 2, MGS4, and some other good oldies. i really think both consoles are kickass in their own rights, but when are we gonna see some more third party devs making kickass graphics games like gears of war and killzone. not comparing the 2, but killzone does have better graphics ( unfortunately,because now i cant brag to my brother about the graphics of gears 2 )
well, peace out.
P.S i dont only play gears 2.
You are not in the States I see as we knocked analog television reception out earlier this year. As far as I know, or better yet, as far as they are listed on specs for sale – the XBox does not have any HD abilities outside of games and downloaded content. The drive is standard DVD now. HD-DVD may have come in previous SKU’s, I never actually saw this spec’d before though (moot point as HD-DVD is dead). I only knew of them having an external player you could buy. (It is rumored that they are looking to do the same with Blu-Ray.) At any rate, all the games are either single or dual layer DVD. This debate of disc size is easily up to developers. Some have stated that they have cut games back due to space. Now the logical thing would be to just use a second disc. Problem is MS (the greedy ‘lil j-holes they are – pokes at MS fan boys : ), <<>> just giving you a hard time. ) charges for each disc of a game. The real point for devs falls under data usage needs and compression. A good compression algorithm can solve most problems for them. Draw backs to compression of course are they require some resources for decompress work (CPU time, memory space, data stream bandwidth.) Note that all games do this, including the PS3 due to the drive speed limitations. Another option to help negate some of these issues is to HDD install them big and/or frequently accessed files. Oblivion is an example. Bethesda did this on both consoles. (not sure, on the 360, if it was just the expansion game pack or not. All I do know is my friends had 2 discs and one was install only.) Blu-Rays potential, as you know, is loads of space. It won’t make a game. It will allow a developer to put loads of CGI cut scenes on like they did on MGS4. If that makes you smile, then you have just realized its potential. Other than that, we have seen it all other than the size of the game itself. Devs do like space though, Blu-Ray may be more than what they need right now. It is more like a pillow than a requirement.
Now on your wish for 10 years. I expect they will release new consoles withing 2-3 years (2012). When you look at them, the lifespans of each console and its predecessor overlap for around 2-3 years. This way they can impose the shock value without the need for enormous libraries. Sure they want you to have some games to kick it off, they (DEVS) won’t have enough time to kick out a whole slew right away. (these games are getting longer and longer to develop for as we get more and more pretties.) Also, the sticker price will drive others away. So mister cheap may buy the PS3 in 3 years while (hypothetically speaking) mister super gamer will buy the PS 3.2. (I say 3.2 because one thing I do know is that the Japanese do not like the number 4, it is their unlucky number.) So I figure that the release year to be around 2012 for both.
I see the port market being the problem now. The exclusives are locked down good on both sides. Great games are coming more and more as that is concerned. This is why I am excited about Cry Engine 3 and what it can mean for all gamers. It is promised to make games like never before seen. The Cry Tek devs are saying it is the first solid real-time engine. That means what you see is what is being done right now and not something deferred from memory. Sweetness.
Well I hope that helped light up some things. I am sure Silver can fill in some of them blanks or correct some of mine. Later on and Game ON!!!!!
This post has been spell checked by Open Office….a Sun Java program.
It dislikes the words Blu, devs, ‘lil, Xbox, and SKU’s. : )
I’m pretty sure you were correct on most points. The HD-DVD add-on was an external peripheral used to watch HD-DVDs through the 360 but was never part of the core unit itself. But I’m almost sure MS does still have the ‘game must be bootable off disc’ thing going. You were referring to Oblivion Game of the Year Edition and the only thing that got installed to the hard drive were the expansions which were similar to those you could buy and download from Xbox Live seperately.
I’m currently finding all of the newer games I’ve gotten recently or have just preordered are all multiplatform. Borderlands, Dragon Age: Origins…
And though I don’t have any of my three copies of Dragon Age yet (ordered it on all platforms as I’m a huge BG fan and want to make sure I’ll have a version playable in the future), Borderlands seems fairly equal on both PS3 and 360 while the PC version seems to look a bit better (sad if it didn’t) but I’ve encountered more bugs. Great game btw.
Also I too use OpenOffice usually. :D
Ever since I first used it years ago I haven’t been able to bring myself to pay for MS Office, especially with the price that high…
You are right. They sure did make the Go smaller. I thought they had went with the move of controls only. Guess that massive screen was just “too much for the kiddies to hold up”. Doesn’t make a difference to me. I can’t see the real need for them. I can take it with me, sure. The experience whilst going down the road makes me sick focusing on such a small thing while it moves subtly around with the vehicles bounce. So I find the uses personally limited still. I have not fired mine up in nearly 6 months to play a game. Its a great and heavy music player for me.
I understand from some interviews I read with MS guess that the HD availability thing is still up in the air. Mostly due to the Arcade version being around. If they do some price point adjustment they can eliminate that SKU and go on and allow them. That won’t help the people whom have the HDDless ones. Considering the type of games that would really need the HDD, I would venture as to whether or not that would really be a problem anyway. The HDDless users more than likely wouldn’t want them games anyway (probably).
Well I hope that rounds up the open areas for you Platinum. Peace out.
Found a glitch in UC2 shadowing last night. Yep, it was glaring. The lack of Anti aliasing is apparent as well. The image still looks amazingly sharp on my big screen though. It seems they do a good job keeping the jagged look minimalistic. They said it is around 1.2 million polygons for each frame shown. 1280 x 720 = 921600 pixels. That means the ratio for polygons is over the 1:1 mark on average. Might explain its rather sharp image given the lack of AA support. Anyway, great game to get engulfed in.
Later
Ok i think since im a lot of team player like DotA, Halo, BTF, COD i guess you convinced me into Xbox =] Good job this was the review i wanted =]
thanks for the reply. i think that the hd dvd vs blu ray battle ended in early 2007,( could have been 2006) but either way, it was too late for ms to make their game discs hd ( 15GB), which, in some cases, could have been helpful. as zindikar mentioned mgs4 and obviously it takes up lots of space of the disc ( its like a damn movie in a game, which, i like) i thought id mention Uc2. uncharted 2 uses every bit of space on the single layer blu ray disc, which may have helped it look more awesome, i dont know. a game like Uc2 could never be made for the 360, not due to system limitations but due to disc space. naughty dog replied( and i could quote this but then id have to look and im lazy) to a qustion asking if a game like uncharted could run on the xbox 360……..they said never, no. as if the xbox 360 can only run a maximum of 9.4gb per disc, how are they to suppport a game with a massive 25gb, even if they did have hd dvd games they would still be 10gb behind.
i am a 360 owner and i do appluad sony for their optimism, they really grabbed ms by the balls there. and i like my games with massive cinematics, perhaps( almost definately) sony could have done a better job with gears of war( no, not GoW, God of War earnt that acronym years ago) . gears of war is a visually stunning game with some cool cinemtaics parts( like a bare few) and i would have loved if ps3 had gears, as it is one of my favourite games. they could have added in some kickass cinemtaics with thier disc space. suff the gears of warmovie, it could have already been in the game.
Thankyou and goodbye everybody.
P.S i am stil looking forward to the gears of war movie, and prince of persia the sandds of time movie.HELL YEAH!!
I would like to see this interview you speak of. If the only logic to not running it on the 360 was disc space I would say they were just making an advertisement ploy of the PS3. If they related it to the Cell (particularly the SPE’s), I would be more apt to believe it. The KZ2 video makes it a point that the SPE’s do the GFX work fast enough to actually offload that type of work from the GPU. They seem content on the belief that the PPE’s would not hold up to the amount of calculations required to keep the frames coming. I cannot say for sure if this is true, I am no programmer. I am looking to get into it though. : ) The multi-thread era is going to be a rough ride for programmers. The endusers will reap the rewards and in a big way. It will be the first real revelation in programming to finally make up for all the hardware revelations that had to happen to speed things up.
Now we know this world is gonna end when the biggest movies out are based on cartoons and games. : )
Easy way to settle it is buy both…and then you have the best of both worlds. Then you’re just left with the question of which console to buy the multiplatform games…I personally like achievements and play online so I tend to go with Xbox 360, but sometimes I’m persuaded by friends who own the PS3. I say, just go with whatever you like, that’s all that it really comes down to.
That is an option. Only thing is, I built my home entertainment center from scratch and I only made room for my DVD players and one console. I don’t plan on building another until I get a new television. The one I got now is only 2 years old so it will be awhile.
exactly, buy both.
i opted to wait for the ps3 as i believed it would be a far superior machine but after several months ownership i practically abandoned it as the lack of games was frustrating, after several conversations with friends and the employees in my local game shop i traded my ps3 in and got an elite 360 and i was opened up to numerous titles and weeks of enjoyable gaming.
i was dismayed however when i had to pay extra for the privilege of getting online by buying a wireless dongle and then more money for gold membership, (that is where the ps3 comes top -wireless) apart from this abhorrence i was enjoying life with my matt black elite but felt a pang of remorse for trading in the ps3 so inevitably i felt obliged to purchase the new slim ps3, i have 1 game for it – uncharted 2, but i will never again abandon it as i believe the ps3 has oodles of untapped potential waiting to be exploited.
owning both consoles is the only cure for fanboy nonsense but if i could only afford 1 i would opt for the 360, mainly for it’s library.
Honestly, I haven’t bought either one because (even after this article) I’m completely torn…
I don’t want to pay for the xbox LIVE bs, but I love their game selection.
I want ps3′s blue ray player and it’s linux compatiability, but I don’t like it’s lack of games.
I like ps3′s graphics, but they really do look just as well on the xbox 360…
I love xbox’s ability to stream movies, but you can do that with the ps3 as well using TVersity
AHHHHH I have no idea. I have a Wii and the game graphics SUCKS and I wanna play Tiger Woods so bad it’s killing me…. blehhh
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Well I would agree with the PS3 library shortage a year and a half ago. Not really the case now. When you look at genre selection, you will find RPG shortages. That is being changed in the next several months starting yesterday actually. Dragon Age is one that is getting its looks right now. Demon’s Souls was another recent outing (I hear it is the hardest game out.) Either way there is a number of games there and I have not run out of things to do with the few I have. Good Luck with your decisions.
These days you really need to do a search on both.
I notice from my own game collection the PS3 has the best SRPGs while the 360 dominates in other RPG fields. And most better new RPGs or games with RPG elements seem to be arriving on both platforms these days so the gap is narrowing.
Though I think MagnaCarta 2 is a newer exclusive for 360 and it’s probably the best newer jrpg I’ve played in a while. Very traditional in some ways (which automatically kills it’s credibility to reviewers unfortunately), but great cast and a decent story thus far. I say thus far as I’m aware of some very disappointing endings for even some of the better games these days. :(
Dragon Age’s ending on the other hand is epic.
Do you think they kept the consoles game exactly like the storyline of the PC? I know graphics may take a hit but, if they stripped down the game to get it on the consoles – it would be disappointing.
From what I’ve seen the games are basically the same with the PC having better graphic options and a more isometric viewpoint if desired. I’ve been sticking with the 360 version because the 360 and PC versions broke street date here a couple days early, the PS3 version came out a couple days later and my current laptop’s specs are fairly poor meaning it actually looked a bit better on 360.
I guess that’s a very real sign to finally go grab a new laptop…
I did notice it’s shorter and with less content than Baldur’s Gate 2, but I get the feeling that might be more due to how it’s a good deal more advanced graphically.
Have you had a chance to play DA:Origins on PS3? I have noticed that in the CGI clips there are some real nasty frame drops going on. The game play seems fine. Just them clips. Buggy? Anyrate, so far the game seems really well concived. My only problem is that Elder Scrolls IV made me love the real open world and this game is heavy towards the scripted (so far anyway). Everything on the elf beginning was so closed in I thought of older games. I hope this is not the case for the whole of the game. Good game overall.
Not yet, I’ll probably play a few more games of it after I finish MagnaCarta 2, and by then any bugs might be fixed if all goes well. I’m afraid if you don’t like it thus far, you mightn’t like it later neither. The game is closed with several closed branches, but that leads to replayability as you need to play a new game to see all the possibilities and it also makes the story and characters seem stronger which is part of what I enjoy about games like it as well as many older JRPGs.
But yeah, the very beginning is that closed as it’s your character’s history which influences later parts of the game. If you weren’t led around in it some later events mightn’t make as much sense.
PS# SUCKS SONY FANS CAN SUCK IT XBOX IS AWESOME!!!! naw just kidding, i own them both but there tends to be more good games on the 360, i also like XBL better so i usually buy multiplatforms for 360. Yet There is almost nothing out there better than MGS4 and LBP. but the funny thing is psn has such a crappy service, i have to turn on my 360, join a party with my freinds, and switch over to PS3 to talk while playing these godly games. So i guess ps3 has a couple VERY strong points, but it seems xbox has good points but tons of them!
with graphical arguments the PC version will of course trump the consoles as long as you’re system has the same power NASA uses.
i had a pretty beefy PC yet still had issues with crysis where i had to dumb down the options to prevent slowdown, same with company of heroes when it first appeared.
thats the thing about consoles, you buy a game for it and you’re 99% sure it will work fine without the need to buy another nvidia 36900gtx MK III or whatever.
back to 360/ps3 graphics, GTAIV for instance, i read somewhere it had to be scaled down somewhat for the xbox, i played it originally on ps3 and recently tried it on xbox and there does seem to be a certain lacking in the 360 version, minimal difference and nothing to write a report on or justify fanboy arguments.
there is very little between the 2 consoles, i’m not one for all the specs and technological debates, i’m just a gamer who can appreciate what both consoles have to offer
I own a NASA computer! Actually, I have an SGI computer, but I do not game with it. (That is what NASA uses.) The OS on it is IRIX. It will not play MS games : (. The have a completely modular design. No cables for you to mess with, just some sled arms that lock in the components. They are sweet.
Now that’s something I can be jealous of.
Was it from that last batch end 2006/early 2007 or is it an older model?
Also did you have to buy from a special distributor or do shops there actually stock that kind of tech?
Damn Australians get screwed hardware-wise…
It is a fair bit older. Not sure of the original date. I just know that it was capable of realtime render before anyother computer out then could do. They are one great company. They took on a market and owned it like no other. My SGI’s HDD has died some time ago. I have not been able to find another copy of the OS to reload on any new drive so it just collects dust now : (.
Well, I gave it a chance and it paid. I am still hoping for some open areas for leveling. They took a little bit of FFXII using the gambit system (assuming that was the only game ((not referring to FF series only)) that did that, have not played them all). All minor complaints aside, this game rocks!!! Get IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU WANT TOO.
Grab a copy of Baldur’s Gate 2. The scripting there was quite enjoyable also and it predates Final Fantasy XII by a fair bit.
It’s also one of those games with a great userbase making tons of very professional mods.
Great article. I couldn’t decide between the two but it looks like I’m going with Xbox 360 and COD4.
Great article! You really showed the pro’s and cons of both, and you didn’t take sides :D Bezt comparison I’ve seen so far (: Keep up the great work!
Zindikar and Silver has written many good things and have keepd me up to date, i have seen many of the vids that you two posted, now i’m very ancious for go buying a lot of ps3 games, for some reasons i can’t go shopping normaly (i’m out US and games are pretty expensive in my country so i need to go to US and buy my games for the whole year) so, the point is that things have come more interesting this year on both systems with that crytek’s cryengine and both console exclusives, personally i want to get my hands on exclusives like GOW III, GT 5, and MAG, and have that dante’s inferno (not a exclusive) that looks really incredible. In the other hand PSN still sucks, i have to admit (even when i’m a ps3 owner) that online experience sometimes turns frustrating, it’s normal to lose connection in the middle of a SFIV fight and…. arrrrggghhhh it’s so crapy when it happens. The DualShock 3 it’s still superior than the 360′s controller (it’s my very personal opinion) ok… the 360′s trigger it’s better than L2 and R2 buttons but i think that the buttons location it’s what makes it better over the PS3.
as u can read, i’m not a fan boy but i want to see what is going to happen with the PS3 future that it’s getting more and more interesting…
i also have issues with the ps3 controller, it’s just not comfortable to use and was informed that they were made for the asian market who stereotypically have smaller hands????
i’m not so sure about that one but in order for me to play FIFA 10 or madden 10 on the ps3 i have to use the right stick and the D-pad which means i miss out on certain things by not using the left stick, they’re just too close together.
both left an right triggers are too small also.
along with PSN sony needs to address these minor issues to fully compete with xbox fanboyism
I think you review this too early in the year. LOL
so when is the next one coming its already november
I was wondering the same thing. :D
But I’m guessing the man’s spending a lot of time getting things accurate or something.
I mean damn, his articles have definetely been some of the least biased ones I’ve encountered thus far.
Oh my god!! we are so ancious about the next post, when is it going to be?? (could be february before MAG release and give some pros for the ps3 – lol) naahhh just kidding, i really want to read the new post, as i said two weeks ago, things have come more interesting with Halo3 and Forza 3 for the XB360 and in the other hand GOW 3 and UC 2 for the PS3 – hey! that sounds like a year dedicated for the number 3, hhaahahaha -, so, i have my expectations for the PS3.
What I would really like to know is which is better purely for good old gaming?! what I mean by that is apart from the price, or the ability to watch movies or any other feature that is extrinsic to gaming itself, which is better? I have little desire to play on the internet with either of them, I just want a console to play at home either by myself or with my girlfriend on 2-player. Which is better in this case? Are most of the games shared by both? Is one just simply better to play than the other? Does one have nicer controls? etc. I own neither and wish to purchase one of them – any good advice would be much appreciated. I have never played on an Xbox so am curious, but am used to playstations and thus it seems more comfortable for me to just get a playstation – stick to what I know?
And that’s where my arguments have come in.
I prefer my gaming machine to be used more or less strictly for gaming and I’ve always found the 360 to have better gaming features. From having more games available, to using your own music as background music in pretty much every game, to integrated party chat allowing you to talk to people playing other games while ingame it has a lot of useful little things.
For games I’d only ever recommend the PS3 if it has more exclusives you prefer or if you don’t feel comfortable with the 360 controller which I have known some people to have a problem with.
I’ve got a PS3, but I think about getting a 360 more and more. Fallout 3 DLC took so much longer to come out for PS3, and their online support is impressive. Also, my 40gb has broken 3 times, had too much money spent on repairs and has probably finally died now. only 2 and a bit years old, and it’s completely knackered. After 2 minutes of playing, the fan becomes incredibly loud, far louder than the 360′s, and tells me its overheating, even after a day of no playing.
On the games, 360 get Forza and the first DLC is free. NFS? I doubt there will be any. GT5? about 5 years late.
But, I’m tied to the PS3. I don’t prefer it, maybe I’d prefer the 360, but how could I face losing all online data?
I just wanted to remark about the guy’s friend who programs in *Basic* and says real programmers don’t need to use other programmers constraints (whatever that is supposed to mean, C/C++ are certainly not “constraining” in any way). NONE of the games developed for any of these consoles (and I mean ZERO) were developed in Basic. Why? Let’s put it this way; it would be like building a house, without any tools. In short, impossible.
C/C++ (I group them together since C++ is a ‘superset’ of C, and therefore they can be mixed seamlessly) is THE gaming development language. The reasons are numerous, but the obvious ones are: 1) it’s an object-oriented language (well C++ anyway), this allows programmers to create *objects* that represent real things (characters, weapons, worlds, it’ really limitless) to help them organize the overall structure of the program, and how the objects interact with each other. This is absolutely, 100% necessary for designing a piece of software as complex as a modern video game. With Basic, you get a few simplistic commands, and values to give to them. It is completely procedural (very much like assembly language). 2) C/C++ is the champion in memory-management (if you don’t know, other modern langs let you create objects and not worry about them, while C/C++ forces you to “clean up” things you dynamically allocate to the heap, or you end up running out of memory or trying to access things that are no longer there/overwritten). The same efficiency can be achieved wlth assembly, or other old-school langs, but again house/no-tools.
To switch gears a bit, video game programming is one of the hardest programming niches. It touches on almost all aspects of programming (complex logic, intimate knowledge of the platform’s architecture (though modern engines help with this), graphics programming, etc. etc.)
I’ve never seen anything programmed close to today’s video games in Basic. But what do I know, your friend might be the best programmer alive, but if he’s touting Basic above other languages, no one will certainly ever know it!
– All in good fun I hope! :) –
He makes more important things than games. He is a military programmer. Tools are constraints in programming as is the .net that MS has. All presets are constraints that must be worked within. He makes the precise tool that he needs when he needs it. So it all depends on what you are doing.
>>The Cell architecture prioritises bandwidth over latency and favors peak computational throughput over simplicity of program code which can lead to some at times quirky output.
Uh, this is the case in any pipelined architecture. And if there’s “quirky output” caused by throughput (throughput being highly desirable/and easy to achieve in reduced instruction architectures), it sounds more like the compiler designers jobs are far from over. That being said, it points at what I consider to be the biggest problem with cell architecture, *knowledge*. If developers are struggling with low-level optimizations, then the battle to ‘catch-up’ for the PS3 is an uphill one.
Of course, the playing field seems to be leveling with respect to available games, and if developers (and I feel Sony/IBM should lend their hand too) can get a handle on the architecture (better compiler, better compiler, better compiler) than I believe, as does the author, the PS3 will reveal its capabilities leaving the XBOX with it’s jaw on the floor. (That’s my opinion anyway)
Another thing I’d like to say is about “open source” on the PS3. Have you ever tried Linux on a PS3? I have, and I’ll tell you it sucks. I spent about half an hour installing, and then it took about another half hour to realize I just wasted an hour of my time. It’s slow, agonizingly slow compared to how Linux can run on an old PC collecting dust in your garage. And what can you do with it? I guess whatever you can do in Linux, unless it involves a good bit of memory or graphics processing (though ssh-ing into one of my work servers from home on a PS3 was admittedly cool, albeit uber geekish). It’s one of those things, just because you *can* do it, doesn’t mean *should* do it. In comparison, anyone can develop games for the XBOX360 100% free. You can download everything you need from Microsoft for free. Presently, I am unaware of a free SDK for the PS3, though I could be mistaken.
Oh I just meant in terms of comparing the 360 and PS3. There’s a noticable difference when you start looking at some dumps every here and there. As with just about everything that complex, you’d be very strained (or perhaps stupid) to call something as complex as a modern computer game/system ‘perfect’, but one entity will obviously outperform another.
I think you really nailed the biggest concern of mine in the head with the statement: ‘If developers are struggling with low-level optimizations, then the battle to ‘catch-up’ for the PS3 is an uphill one.’ I just can’t see it being too effectively utilised before the next generation of consoles come out, but hell, I could always be surprised I guess.
I have used ‘open source’ on the old phat PS3 before support for an alternate OS was removed in the new slim. I recall it being a more painful experience than an old Duron I had Redhat installed on late 90s/2000ish. BUT I did manage to get some game emulators running and some of the classics sure do play better than many modern games. Actually that’s pretty sad considering I was playing some of my old NES games on it moreso than PS3 games…
>>I just can’t see it being too effectively utilised before the next generation of consoles come out,
Much agreed. I believe history has taught us many things during the console wars. Heck, It wasn’t until after the 32-bit systems hit the market that the SNES really started to flex its muscles. Unfortunately it was too little too late. I believe this fate becomes all consoles. Think about it, PC developers have been dealing with x86 architecture since 1978, in contrast console developers get about 5-8 years on a specific platform before they must shift gears and retool for the next generation.
So Microsoft’s strategy was brilliant; woo the developers, and deliver the games. In that paradigm, everyone wins. Microsoft can use the larger library of games to sell more units, and the game developers can make more games (Regardless of which console is more capable on paper).
As far as Cell architecture is concerned, it sounds like several of you, including the author, have cited an apparent problem with anti-aliasing on the PS3. I’m no graphics expert, but I imagine the hardware instructions for anti-aliasing are significantly different from simple pixel churning instructions. This is probably why the XBOX’s general purpose processors have no problem with it. A compiler for the XBOX is probably very similar to an x86 compiler, which is better equipped to optimize a wider range of instructions. I would bet there is quite a bit of struggle for PS3 developers to prevent pipeline stalls when it encounters odd ball instructions. I’m not sure how this problem is resolved, (since I have almost no knowledge of the PS3′s architecture) but the apparent lack of an apt general purpose processor might prevent the PS3 from ever fully exploiting the Cells’ power.
Now for my two cents: I think NVIDIA should enter the console wars!
I have been told that the PS3 is just simply better for most games. the D-pad has actual up/down/left/right arrows which make it easier to execute moves in say fighter games. also the PS3 analogs are more sensitive (akin to a mouse on a PC) than the Xbox controller. I have never played on an Xbox, but i have a fair amount of experience with playstations (even though i dont own a PS3 yet). Would the fact that I’m used to the PS3 controller and that the Xbox controller just LOOKS difficult/awkward/weird be reason enough to get a PS3 instead, even if it has less games? Is there truth in this? Also, are the majority of the games on the market shared by both consoles? any advice would be much appreciated. (dont care about other features of the consoles – just want one purely for either solo or 2-player gaming).
Dejagermeister,
I too have always been sold on the PlayStation controller. It just feels so natural in the hand. I’ve never played an XBOX or 360 but judging from my friends comments, there’s nothing wrong with the 360 controller. In fact, several of them said they grew to prefer the original XBOX controller over the PS’s.
If you’re a casual gamer, and online gaming doesn’t interest you, coupled with your affinity for the PS3′s controller, I would suggest the PS3. I would say die hard on-line gamers will favor the 360′s titles, but the vast majority of games you’ll probably be looking at are available for both platforms. In addition, it’s a Blu-Ray player.
Going into the future, I predict the status quo with respect to available games not to change much.
>>He makes more important things than games. He is a military programmer. Tools are constraints in programming as is the .net that MS has. All presets are constraints that must be worked within. He makes the precise tool that he needs when he needs it. So it all depends on what you are doing.
I too am a software engineer for the military (Navy). These *tools* you are referring to, are certainly not constraints. There is a reason tools like .Net exist, they are tried and tested, and they provide a standardized way of doing things to promote code-reuse (which fosters rapid development) and improves the overall maintainability of a piece of software. Could you imagine inheriting source code where you had to track down a memory leak because the previous programmer goofed on a linked-list he hand-coded from scratch? (it would be utter madness!)
If you don’t want to use these tools (any of them), i suppose your only option would be assembly, and the 1000 or so page technical manuals for the given architecture.
Given the nature of your friend’s distaste for higher-level languages, I surmise he is a low-level (low-level referring to the level of interaction with the platform) systems programmer where the tools of the trade are C and assembly. If this is the case, then I would agree that the higher-level of abstraction provided by object-oriented languages like C++, Java, C#, Python, etc. is unnecessary.
But the reality today is most things are programmed in higher-level languages, and it doesn’t mean object-oriented programmers are somehow inferior to yesterday’s procedural programmers. The difference is modern languages and tools (I’ll cite the following tools: .Net, the C++ STL, all of Sun’s Java stuff, and countless others) allow today’s programmers to create truly incredible pieces of software in relatively little time. Today’s applications just could not be made using languages like Basic, or written strictly in assembly. I’m sure your friend is a great programmer, but I know he’s not making anything that any of us have installed on our computers from video games to spreadsheet applications.
My point was never to insult your friend, my point was to contest labeling today’s languages and libraries as *constraints*. If anything, these tools in unison have propelled software forward freeing developers to concentrate on making better products, without having to reinvent the wheel every time.
NVIDIA made the 250 MHz Custom-Designed NV2X for the orignal xbox zarus
I suppose that you are more intelligent than me in this field but not the people whom made them. The .net programming guides that MS provide tell you that it is restricted by its own design. It was meant to allow for rapid programming within specified constraints. Go to MS and download the the C++ Express Edition and watch the video that they have. Copy Paste is old, give us some verifiable data. I am tired of the “it’s what I say” posts. Proof is in the links. Or just paste a hate post for others to be humored by.
>>NVIDIA made the 250 MHz Custom-Designed NV2X for the orignal xbox zarus
I meant by cutting Microsoft out.
Now we are talking about programming, i’m a bussines oriented programmer and it really sucks dudes, there’s nothing worst that doing things that u don’t really like like that ABAP4 for SAP programming or using php, xml and javascript for doing dumb financial web applications, or those mySQL / PostgreSQL / SQL server databases for doing enterprise taxes payment storaging and gathering data. What i really know as a programmer (a dumb one) is that u need object-oriented languages for do things like video games and really good animations and so, because u need those objects with properties, events and methods for each. Even u need to do rendering and manipulate the memory (all should be done by the programmer), i don’t know how do things work when u use an engine but what i know for sure is that u need to do objectd-oriented programming for video games and more than manipulate just memory u need to manipulate the whole architecture, that’s why i have a lot of good expectations with that cryengine, because it will surely make things easier for PS3 programming.
I’m not a game developer, but from my understanding a game engine is like an application production interface. It’s a host of pre-built tools that do a lot of the grunt work for you (mainly dealing with mundane aspects of OpenGL/DirectX), and a multi-platform compiler (you click ‘Build’, and you get 2 or 3 outputs of the game, one for each of the platforms. At least that’s the theory, undoubtedly it’s never that simple).
AFAIK, the engines were all (at least the respectable ones) developed using C++. Typically, the games themselves are written in C++, leveraging off the engine’s libraries. Alternatively, some engines offer *scripting*, meaning certain aspects of the game (or the whole thing) can be written 100% in the engine’s scripting language. This is great for things that don’t require a great deal of fin-tuning. I believe the Unreal engine has this capability. I don’t know about any of the other engines.
OK I have always liked the PS3 for many reasons, but so did I like BETAMAX over VHS, now that SKY have gone with Xbox and Batman is better on XBOX, as well as the great deals you can get on Amazon with free games etc, I’m afraid XBOX noisy or not is the choice now for me, as like VHS it will win the race.
you see two years ago and still now xbox 360 users are trying to say that the 360 has better graphics but it simply doesn’t. All of the comparisons of 360 vs ps3 show the xbox with a HDMI and the ps3 with its standard non HD scart cable, but when you plug in a HDMI and change the white balance on the ps3 it gives it brilliant 1080p and 1080i pictures. A good
blu-ray player will cost you about 200. Now you can get a ps3 slim for 250 and it is undoubtedly a very good blu-ray player. It has a built in WiFi and you can change the hard drive up to 3 TB. Someone who has an xbox will never admit that a ps3 is better. My friend spent a year trying to argue that a 360 was better and when he got a ps3 he realized that it was so much better…………………
- Multiplatform games tend to look equal at best and considerably better on the 360 at worst. (And I sold my last non HD TV because I needed the space for another 28″ monitor with a 1920×1200 native resolution).
- The games touted as being the best graphically (Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2) both run natively at 720p.
- The PS3 fails at playing movies compared to some stand alone players. My Oppo BDP-83 for instance craps all over PS3′s capabilities. Only thing it doesn’t play is HD-DVD but as I haven’t seen many new HD-DVDs being released I’m happy to keep my old media box for those.
I’ve got both consoles and apart from playing a few PS3 exclusives, my PS3 lies around collecting dust. The PS2 has better games, unless you’re an FPS loving twitch gamer in which case the PS3 is probably the best console available.
This article and comments show me that it really is all subjective. I have both consoles, I bought my PS3 at launch and over the 2+ years of owning it I have used it nearly every day of my life for one thing or another, whether it’s playing a game, watching a movie, using HOME, or just browsing new downloads at the store. My Xbox 360 however is the dust collector, it will go a month at a time with me not touching it. I haven’t touched it since before Uncharted 2 came out. I also agree with the author of this article that for some reason I just enjoy playing the games more on the PS3…something just feels better about it.
Wrong I own both get a copy of COD World At War plug both in through HDMI on a 50 inch LCD and tell me PS3 looks better. I had 6 dudes at my house when we tried this and it’s no comparison xbox360 is the better picture. PSN & Xbox 360 Tag martin80canada
Silver,
Most multiplatform games are so similar that trying to argue over the differences is nitpicking. There is the odd exception where the PS3 ports suffer graphically. I also find that most website comparisons use the wrong display settings on the PS3 “on purpose” to make them look washed out. It makes for better fanboy arguments & gets the website more hits. Ever since I turned “Full RGB” on about 3 days after I got my PS3 I haven’t seen a screen that resembles anything like the web comparisons I’ve seen. Blacks are blacks, & colours are bold. If anything I think it’s the framerate that suffers most on ports to the PS3 as some can be quite bad, but most new ones are getting better. The Bayonetta screen comparisons I’ve seen look nothing like the review in the Official UK Playstation magazine, but I believe the framerate is an issue. I’m going to download the demo on the Japanese PSN to have a look (when I can find it).
Also, I would hope that the Oppo BDP-831 is a better Blu-Ray player than the PS3. All it does is play Blu-Ray & it’s more expensive than a PS3 (400 for the Oppo in the UK vs 250 for the PS3).
I bought a dedicated separates system for my music because it sounds better than a midi or a micro system. Wasn’t anywhere near as price efficient though.
Odd exception?
I have found it true of the majority of games and would go as far as guessing it was over 90% of multiplatform games released in the PS3′s first year. Granted a good part of it is that a lot of those games were ported from the 360 to the PS3, but either way the end results I stuck in my consoles looked better on 360. I’ve personally noticed much of the time the difference lies not only in frame rate, but also in the smaller things like lighting and particle effects but then aren’t those the types of things the Cell should be annilhilating all competitors in thanks to all the SPEs?
My standalone player doesn’t only play Blu Rays better than the PS3 neither. It does much the same for DVD and audio DVDs too. It wasn’t until I bought the Oppo BDP-83 that I realised just how good blu-ray movies could look and sound.
If price efficiency is a person’s argument for superiority of anything, I can’t take them as seriously as I may have otherwise. Fact of the matter is, if you have the money to purchase any of the choices given, price efficiency means less than the aesthetics of the casing holding the electronics together.
You do realize porting to the PS3 requires coding to get the particles working on the SPE’s. If the compiler is set to just deligate work to the SPE’s, it will not be efficient. (As you are using the first year (shameful : ) ), you do realize neither console used multi-threads on ported games, so the SPE’s were not even working. ) Look at the particle effects in KZ2. Also to say ports look better on the 360 is irrelevant if you are not willing to admit they start on the 360. As you have said both consoles have their bottlenecks. Programming for the 360′s and then cramming it on the PS3 will show easily. I have yet heard of any ported game out that was not started on the 360 first. Also the Dragon Age graphics is using higher textures, as all reviews state that I have read, on the PS3. So a hit in the framerate can’t be used in comparison. Either they can drop the texture level on the PS3 or raise it on the 360 to be a fair comparison. Even still the game played well on the PS3. I am curious to see if we will ever see the porting going the other way. I understand that the FF XIII games will all sport their own engine in each platform. Either way, I see why people lean 360. If the games are going to perform better on them due to the programming, why not go that way. This is why I am still waiting to see the new Cryengine 3.
Blu-ray player issues on your PS3 are strange to me. I have not experienced any lower quality images against any other blu-ray myself. As far as function goes, I do all I need to or even tried to on my PS3. So I suppose that is why it suits me there. I, however, do live in an all digital broadcast area. Not much of a big deal due to most shows still being standard def still. Spend your money how you must, satisfaction is not guaranteed, but you knew you were not satisfied before so then nothing can get worse I suppose.
PS My friends Jasper 360 RROD’ed this last week. MS tech blamed it on the HDD. He bought a new 360 and the old HDD works, so I am guessing they meant that the HDD was blocking that vent on the end causing thermal build up. I cannot understand why they didn’t change the design of this if it can be a problem. Any rate, just goes to show you how some people are really unlucky.
I do realise this. My point is that they didn’t. The PS3 has so much potential. But they do not use it. So these ports the consumer gets and sticks in his beloved machine do not show what the PS3 can do. And there are likely only a handful of games which do properly utilise the SPEs, most being from first party or closely linked third party developers. Maybe the game developers are lazy (I personally think it’s just having to work on the PS3, especially when publishers are riding their backs to get something done in a timely way), whatever the reason is those games do look better on the 360.
Hmmm the particle effects in Killzone 2 which are run at a lower resolution than the native resolution of the game which still isn’t ‘Full HD’ as several will claim. Yes, they did impress me. But I was impressed with the end result Guerilla achieved rather than how it was done. It’s a real pity there aren’t many games to that picture quality on the PS3. I guess that’ll change in the future but Microsoft is also looking like some of it’s developers are starting to step up. I’m VERY curious to see where things will go from here especially as I believe the shortcomings of both consoles may be more readily apparent in games pushing them to their very limits.
Dragon Age, yes you do have a very good point there though I wasn’t too graphically stunned with any version including the PC version which definetely had the PS3 version beat (as I’d have hoped). But then the higher resolution textures didn’t make up for the poorer frame rate which did irk me a little in the same way that Mass Effect on the 360 did originally. The thing about both issues though is I wouldn’t be surprised if both can be fixed through downloadable patches. That is if enough people care, the game was quite playable on every platform and though it wasn’t as nice looking as some other games the gameplay was top notch as I’ve come to expect from bioware.
I must admit to also being very curious for FFXIII. And not just as I’m a fan of FF in general, but also for the very reason you mentioned. I think what I’m most curious about is if either version will offer anything the other doesn’t, even if just minor things.
I have not had any blu ray issues on my PS3, but I’ve always found similarly or higher priced units will perform better. Be it better upscaling (especially for screens with a higher def than 1080), higher quality audio output, more functions easily spread out on the remote control and they’re quieter which isn’t really too important as the PS3 is barely audible the vast majority of the time anyway.
Yeah well PS3s are also dying at a higher rate than most previous consoles seemed to. I’ve come to think if a person has gone through a large number of either console it might not be the console so much as the conditions the console has had to cope with. I find that putting my consoles in a suitable well ventilated area and occasionally getting the dust out with a little compressed air. But the best thing about a 360 if you are prone to lose them is the modular design. An arcade unit can be bought for near nothing and then you just slot everything from your old unit in and away you go. I’ve never had to do that myself, but have known a few people who didn’t even bother with the warranty when they saw the price of an arcade.
No game out runs every single object with 1080 resolution let alone the game. Why must you bring that up. Some objects use lower resolutions on KZ2. So does Gears and Forza and the list goes on and on. Even PC games do this. That doesn’t mean that they are bad in any way. It is a method used for the purpose of memory management. Neither console can run all the objects of a game at 1080 with max resolution objects for this lack of memory. I am sure you can agree that all developers are trying to mask the weak points of both consoles in various ways.
A game that did run at 1080 on PS3 was MGS4. I think the game looked great. I didn’t see any hitches in the gameplay or graphics. Mostly because it played so well and kept me in the story. Was it the greatest thing to ever be made, NO! I was mearly saying this because there are just some things that the developers plan out ,such as some lower resolution textures, in such a way to conserve memory while be less obvious. MGS4 was a great example of that. Was the game actually 1080? The upscalar on my PS3 is disabled and when my TV receives a new signal (game starting) it shows that it is infact displaying 1080. Could it have software upscaling before hand, YES! Still looks great so I am pleased.
Either rate I see your points and receive them with limited reservations. Also the ISP issue is not given immunity in the US. We have bad ISP in non super-urban areas. I can actually say that noone I know has had a PS3 die. I know they do though. 360′s on the other hand, I know way too many that have bought new ones. Certainly can be a pain for anyone to have to replace their gaming hardware, console or not. My old EVGA Sli configuration died in less than a year back in ’07. As much as I paid for it, that should not have been a problem. The reason was they used some cheap cooling fans that actually melted from the heat of the GPU and froze up. This, of course, led to the overheating of the chips. It seems the speed of which companies are trying to put products to market is costing the consumer in the end. Will they take the time to give QC some forethought? I am hoping so.
I brought it up because you mentioned the particles and I recall reading that they were considerably lower res than the native resolution of the game which itself was below 1080p.
Of course it doesn’t mean they’re bad, as I said myself the end result looked good but once again, the underlying technical details show that Guerilla are wizards moreso than they show that the PS3 is a technical powerhouse.
MGS4 was upscaled from 1024×768 I believe but it does look stunning to put it mildly. Pity about what it has to sacrifice to do so though. I have always hated forced installs/loading times and have only ever felt they were worthwhile on the PC for the other advantages over consoles. If a later console goes with either flash memory or higher capacity carts, I’d be a very happy chappy. Why? Well look at SNES ports to PSX and other consoles with disc based formats and note the difference in load times. Or they could just go digital distribution which’d have a similar effect I’d imagine.
China called, they want their wall back
So you’re saying that because somebody doesn’t want to spend 400 on a standalone Blu-Ray player (oh, & DVD & audio DVD’s! like every other Blu-Ray player on the market doesn’t play DVD’s…oh wait) & would rather pay 250 on a perfectly respectable Blu-Ray Player, games console, media centre with hard drive & wi-fi you can’t take them seriously. You my friend are an arrogant pompous eejit who looks down on people with less money than yourself. If the only argument you can see is what is the best & most aesthetically pleasing regardless of price, then I can’t take you as seriously as I may have otherwise. Price efficiency (or just old plain value for money) means a lot more to most people than it obviously means to you, & to suggest it doesn’t matter is shallow & single minded.
Not all of us have the finances (the room, the desire, or permission from the wife) to have a dedicated piece of hardware for every occasion cluttering up our homes.
As for the multplatform argument. In the first 12 months after the PS3′s release, I’d probably agree with you on the 90% figure, but things have improved no end in the last 2 years. Yes, there are still some poor ports, but they are the exception now, not the rule, & I still haven’t seen a comparison website that shows PS3 screenshots that match up with my own experience sat in front of my TV/PS3.
Well I see it like I would anything else. You could have a perfectly respectable 8″ black and white TV that got the same TV shows as a large colour TV (work with me, analog TV is still the rule and digital TV the exception down here). Can the little black and white TV still do what the bigger TV can? Yeah, but it don’t quite give the same experience now, does it? It’s very price efficient though, many $2 shops sell them for next to nothing.
I am someone who gets what I want as anyone else living in a western society can be. If I want something enough I will work my ass off for it and I have several avenues for generating income which near anyone could emulate if they dedicated a similar amount of time to the pursuit of it. I grew up lower middle class and started working as a mid teen. If anyone else wants money at that age it isn’t all that hard to get if you stop whining about high costs and get a job or two instead. Effort much better spent.
Price doesn’t factor into superiority. It can kill a product if too highly priced as not enough consumers will spend on it, but either way the product that functions better for it’s primary purpose is best at that purpose. And when a machine is designed so that some of it’s many functions detract from the performance of other functions it’s already medicore. When functions are constantly being removed you *know* you’re backing a winner.
Oh and don’t you just love using all the functions of the PS3 concurrently? Oh wait you CAN’T and that’s the single biggest advantage of having several pieces of dedicated hardware over a single machine that can’t top any of the single machines at it’s specific purpose.
Sorry but price does factor into superiority, it may not spec wise compared to other Blu-Ray players but the PS3 is in fact much better then most other blu-ray players out there. Having anything that plays a little better is pretty much nil.
Price has in fact proved over time that Price does matter and it dictates how well a console does in the market, and also dictates how well the product is for the price and how even the PS3 has a pretty good Blu-Ray player, and is superior to most even the High Def consoles because of the price.
Not really, the PS3 has in fact proved that if people utilise the capabilities of the PS3 then it shows it’s a much more superior system price, and graphically. The online questionable but still good, and the exclusives are definitely to say the least graphically better(not going to say gameplay wise since that is debatable.
Sony, also did an amazing job promoting Blu-Ray vs Xbox’s HDDVD, also that being said in an earlier post you said your superior Blu-Ray player can play HD-DVD’s… this being said, no one cares about HD-DVD’s they died and liquidates no more HD-DVD’s are ever being made therefore making that function absolutely pointless. The PS3 doesn’t even need that function.
Perhaps you need me to define superior for you?
If the majority of people are making do with an inferior product because of a cheaper price it is not superior. If a person admits to buying a PS3 over a 360 because it can be used as a cheap blu ray player, a crappy linux PC and a couple of other things at a lower price, they’re not buying it because it’s superior at any of those things but merely because it can do them all to some extent.
The PS3 hasn’t been proven to be the better graphically, most comparisons of multiplatform games show quite the opposite. Yes it has three to perhaps five games released by first party/ closely tied third party developers that look to be among the best on consoles, but compare those developers to those on the 360 and it’s not too hard to see why the 360′s a bit behind there. Still, Forza 3 looked amazing and games like Alan Wake might be set to follow. Of course, these future games aren’t out yet making this mere speculation, but I’m keen to wait a few months until both systems are releasing titles that more effectively utilise the hardware.
Oh yeah, blu-ray is dead in a consumer sense. But much like betamax theatre buffs will hold onto their HD DVDs as they are high quality, reaching the same resolution and are all region free unlike blu ray movies meaning some rarer international HD-DVDs still work fine. I believe they’re also still being used in some entertainment industries for whatever reason despite how the readers and media were both discontinued (as far as I know, I could be wrong on that one). Either way, playing more formats is a good thing. Unless you’re supporting something that can’t play those formats. Then it’s probably a negative for you.
Got to agree with you Kaden101, I have both consoles and having played some games on both, the difference is minor. For me the PS3 is my prefered console, even thought of selling my xbox 360 make some room, but wasn’t allways so, as I once used to think the Xbox 360 was the best console, even after i got the dreaded RROD twice. I used to read the game comparison websites as a result used to buy multiplatform games on the Xbox 360 but now I’ve realised its a waste of time, and that it should be all down to what you like and what you can afford, as I remember being quite happy playing on my PS2 even though the original Xbox and GameCube was more powerfull.
Rather than just saying I prefer PS3 over Xbox 360 here are a several personal opinions on why:
1) The biggest reason for me is the exclusives are more apealing, such as Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet, Modnatoin racers, GoW, GT4, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Killzone, and Wipeout.
2)No yearly prescription to play games online.(40 a year for Xbox live is a rip off) I know poeple reckon xbox live is better because of this but I realy don’t see it.
3)Another big reason is Blu ray movies and the fact that Blu rays discs have a hard coating on the surface that make them harder to damage.
4)PSN uses a actual money and not Points for buying content, plus xbox live only accepts mastercard or visa wich I don’t have, so I’m forcred to buy points cards.
5)It looks better, this of course is down to personal taste and realy only applies to the slim version as the older ones are ugly.
6)Its quiet, the fan noise is near silent and a have a newer xbox 360 (jasper) to compare it to.
7)The xmb is far more simple and user friendly than the Xbox 360 dashboard, wich i find is a mess and quite frequently find myself in the wrong menu.
8)Another thing is content brought on PSN in most cases can be used on more than one console (I share games that I have brougt with my brothers console) and you don’t have sign in to use them but the games I have purchased on Xbox live i can’t use unless I’m signed in and online because the original xbox i downloaded it on got RROD through no fault of my own.
9)The Dualshock 3 is better, again this really comes down what you prefer but for me the PS3 pad is more versatile, for instance the d-pad is better for street fighter 4 and for navigating menus. Plus built in battery helps, but I will say that the triggers on the Xbox 360 pad are far better but this could possibly be fixed in the future with a new pad, like the introduction of Dualshcock to the sixaxis pad.
10)The web browser, not brilliant by a long shot but still a plus for me that I can check emails, browse websites and watch videos on the internet, but in no way better than a proper notebook or PC. I hope one day sony might get Mozilla to make a ps3 version Firefox, wishful thinking perhaps.
11)This is again is a small personal point but in my experience there are alot of abnoxious people on Xbox live compared to the psn.
12)The fact that I don’t have to make a childish avatar, wich is a rip off of the Wii Mii character system.
Again I like to point out that this is just my opinion and if you disagree thats fine as there are alot of good reasons for the Xbox 360 but if I can only have one it would be a PS3 every tIme for me. The PS3 seams to be constantly evolving and adding new features such as the possibility of 3D gaming in a future firmware update but if you own Xbox 360 theres still the natal to look forward to. I’m no fanboy as I’ve owned many consoles over the years and have a love for retro gamming, its just that I prefer one over the other. It would be wrong to sugest that one console is the best as i think it comes down personal opinions and preference.
Silver, I’ll like to point out that although you make some valid points and make a good argument, you can sound like a right ass, for instance you make a game related comment then randomly say somthing about some monitor that is completely irrelavent and just sounds like your showing of your wealth. Maybe you should change your name to moneybags instead. Oh and that comment about not being able to use all the functions of the PS3 concurrently, I can’t see how or why you would want play games, watch blu rays, surf the net and listen to music at the same time.
I sound like a right ass for posting the resolution and size of the monitor (but not the model or anything else which would indicate it’s value) when mentioning my personal experiences of multiplatform games? Considering I shop around and usually import my monitors from places like Indonesia where I can get them under half of what I’d pay at a retail store here I’d say it would be more fair to say I was using my brain to benefit myself rather than being a Mr. Moneybags. It doesn’t take anything special other than a few brain cells, a device with an internet connection and a browser and fingers or whatever you use for input to look into importing things cheaply, believe me.
Play games while surfing the net? Well what if you get absolutely stuck in an adventure game and feel the need to look up hints? Watch blu rays while you surf the net? Because not everyone has access to the high quality internet the US seems to offer. I get shaped after downloading 20gb a month myself and at that point I need something to do while I spend half my life waiting for a site with even a couple of small images to load. And I personally find my own music beats most of the background music in games as far as my personal tastes go, I wouldn’t be surprised if some others felt similar. Of course I can play my music as background music in 360 games and some PS3 games, but I can play it better on a seperate surround sound system with decent bass. There are MANY reasons to want to use functions concurrently.
And if you have other devices to do those things seperately as I do, how is the PS3 having those functions which you don’t use an advantage?
I found it funny that no one has mentioned that the XBOX 360 can only have games go on max res 720p while PS3 can have games go up to 1080p.. so can we say PS3 can offer better graphic?
So why are some 360 titles advertised as 1080p?
http://www.makeyougohmm.com/xbox360-1080p-games/
Is just one of several sites a quick google can bring up.
I also believe there are currently more 1080p 360 games than PS3 games at this point in time, though haven’t found any really current lists. If anyone can find some I’d be most grateful but I really cbf trawling for them myself.
One thing I did notice was most 1080p games don’t look as impressive as some lower res games and most aren’t really that good gameplay-wise with possibly a few exceptions.
^i meant better clearer image..
moogle101,
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Why would you want to do that many things at once. There is certain tasks like being able to listen to music whilst browsing the internet would be nice, but most of the things done on these consoles (360 & PS3) tend to take up all your attention.
I kinda disagree with point 5, not that the 360 is better looking than the PS3, god no, but that the PS3 phat is ugly. It is purely subjective, & I get the whole George Foreman comparison, but stood upright, it’s not a bad looking beast.
Note to all PS3 owners. You can listen to music and browse the net. You go and select the music and setup your preferences (repeat or playlist), then press the PS button and go over to the browser. You are doing 2 things at once.
True.
Just you can’t do any of those other two things at once I mentioned above.
And unless a newer firmware update is out to the one I have, I still can’t listen to my own music as I play some games which don’t support that and I still can’t cross game chat.
After reading all of this, it seems like a good comparison. I used to like the Playstation better. That was until I went over to a friend’s house and got a taste of Xbox live. This was back before the 360 or the PS3 had come out. I remember playing Halo 2 for countless hours there. It was so fun I had to have it. When Christmas came around, and the 360 came out, I got it as a gift with Halo 2. I never looked back. Xbox live to me, was like texting. You don’t know what it’s like until you have it; until you USE it yourself.
It also seems like everyone at my school has an Xbox. I can go on Halo, or Call of Duty and jump right into a match with my ENTIRE class at times. I can jump from party to party and talk to this group of people, or that group whenever I want. It’s awesome.
Without Xbox live, I probably would have bought a PS3 just because it is the better console for campaign gaming. But playing a console without Xbox live, is like, like, having a computer and never going on FaceBook or MySpace, or Youtube. Honestly, what’s the point?
@ Silver
Cannot say you are right about the native resolution of MGS4. Might be right but there is no official word, only forum posts by “pixel counters”. To burst the theory of pixel counting all you have to know is if it is upscaled then how do you know which is a real pixel and which is a filled pixel. I do not see this as a science and have read some reviews stating the irrelevance of such methods. I am sure both consoles have their share of upscaled screens.
I’d gladly take the word of several experienced pixel counters over that of an empty vacuum. But if you’d like to link me to someone who’s actually shown that the words of several of these people (some of whom are great PS3 fans) are wrong, feel free to post the info. I just feel that if several unconnected people have reached the same conclusion, there’s very likely some truth to it. I have not seen any conflicting information other than some fanboys fingering their packaging where it promises 1080p.
While I can’t say that it matters what the native resolution is, here is a site that explains some of the in’s and out’s to show that the whole pixel counter idea is moot http://playstationlifestyle.net/2009/06/30/psls-editorial-pixel-counters-must-die/1/ .
Now he tells you what the real differences are and why just the resolution is not all that matters. Effects on screen play a much larger role than the decision to run at a higher resolution. Still the idea of pixel counting makes no sense. If you take a 800×600 image and shrink it to a size that fits the screen, like for instance a tree. You cannot expect to stay at its native resolution due to the fact that you do not want the tree being the only thing on the screen. So each object is going to have lower resolution. Now the overall screen of course is subject to the processing effects. If there is not enough memory or bandwidth, you must make the necessary changes to make it playable. That article shows how lower resolutions with higher effects is far better a choice for developers.
Off you go gaming now you hear.
Isn’t that the whole point I was making before when I said it was a technical limitations causing a lower resolution?
I still haven’t seen anything to show how those pixel counters are wrong btw and that article you linked actually seems to support their results even if criticising them for being so critical of a game on a technical level.
Didn’t imply or say the article said it is impossible to count, just that it is irrelevant. Also, how can they count the pixels of a HDCP signal unless they are counting on the television itself? Not sure how they do it so I do not beleive the numbers. If you blow up a 280 x 158 image to 308 x 174 could you truly count the difference? I do not see how. The pixels are filled differently each time. So what can they really see?
I think it is the same as running a DVD in a HD-upscaled picture. Not sure that you can count the pixels there and thats a 480 to 1080 jump. I visually see very little difference doing the upscaling but they say it’s there. If you counted the image, what would you get? 480 or 1080. My television only lights up all of its pixels. So always 1080 on all images right? Nope, but then how do you count them? You would have to use the signal from the source which is digitally protected against copying systems. That is what makes me curious of these pixel counters. I know that they big media companies have resources that allow them to frap the consoles, just not the mainstream user. At any rate, until I actually see a proof the counters to me are useless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
HDCP signals aren’t all that secure from what I’ve heard. As this article states, flaws were discovered in 2001 which is a considerable amount of time ago. And then we have HDCP strippers…
Those who are technically inclined have gotten around much harder obstacles and those who go like seeing what goes on in the background in a gaming sense have gotten great results with possibly harder things elsewhere.
Even mainstream users can be geeky you know. And it was mainstream users and hobbiests who made some of the more fun toys floating around that commercial entities couldn’t dream of doing for legal reasons.
PS3 Is Better in my opinion.
reason?
As a ps3 gamer and Xbox 360 gamer I have today ps3 is the better console. I lime all the features. Everything is easy to find. And it doesn’t die every month. The online is the same if you ask me other than the party system where you can voice chat with friends on othe games. Other than that I see Bo difference other than ps3 games being faster to invite friends.
piracy play a major role … all people buy xbox360 because it is hacked … and all the dvds have the same price around 3$ or u can download for free from the internet but then u have to wait … which is not in the favor of the xbox 360
btw users of the xbox 360 loose the online gaming feature when it is hacked but who cares the dvd cost 3$ …
in the other side ps3 is almost unhackable … the Blu-Ray burner cost a fortune and the Blu-Ray empty discs are expensive !!!
I choose the ps3 mainly for that … why i have to pay for any new game around 65$ while others get it for free
@LJ. the online on the xbox 360 is better, no matter how bias someone is towards a console, that is fact. and the invite system faster? it all depends on peoples internet and how fast the disc is read ( in a lot of cases) and the xbox 360 has faster loading times for discs, that is also fact, not a subjective matter. unless of course you install the game disc to your ps3 hard drive, which makes it about the same speed as an xbox 360 disc but then you can also install xbox 360 game discs making them even faster again.
+1. Unless a person starts to uncontrollably jack off while fingering the 360 guidebutton and is therefore unable to operate it correctly, inviting friends to games has always been faster through that interface with minimal steps at any point in most games.
hey im just wondering when the next article is coming out. does anyone know? thanks
in the article it says he would have one by november but so far he hasnt finished writting one.
“In November, well look at how each consoles year went ;)” he says that at the end of the “game selection” chapter.
Or he isn’t! : )
haha
I am a PC owner, and is very used to playing games on a gaming beast.
This got me to decide which to buy. I get my first paycheck tomorrow (Aww Yea)
And I want this to be worth it.
I am kinda aiming towards a Xbox….
But the RROD scares me abit….
I have/played a PS2 and PSP…
So paying for Xbox Online is new to me….
It is cheaper….Pay for online…..
Dang, if only my Gaming PC worked…:(
I was so used to getting games for free
(My friend would allow me to borrow the disk and install the game, then I’d use that No-CD cracks to own the game w/o disk)
So this will hurt me financially
But like I said, hope its gonna be a great decision I won’t regret.
(Oh, and all my friends own Xbox 360 and like COD ect… play online ect…, so I can’t wait to join em’ )
Leaning for a Xbox 360 :)
you should also consider actual console, controls, noise, and all that. for controls, the ps3 completely dominates, not only is it so much smaller, its got the internal batt and charges on a normal usb cord, and the bluetooth rules. then theres the noise, i noticed my xbox makes a whole lot of noise. then theres looks, my new 300 buck psx is tiny and looks great by my big black samsund lcd, xboxs ugly brick doesnt really fit anywhere. ive also had 3 different xboxes over time, first had red ring, second had a massive disk read error, and the one i have now wont connect to the net, on that not, i love the ps3 factory wifi, and did i mention the bluetooth, any phone headset works, yes. i have 2 ps3s, one from the start and a new one, both have 000000.00 problems. im a hardcore mw2 player, and i cant stand the xboxs version.
Well the old battle between pc and console. I do find it funny when hardcore pc gamer’s bash the console. Well sure the pc is better. It should be if you look at the costs. The best part is that the greatest pc today is nothing but mediocre in a year or two. I built a new pc 3 years in a row and after the fact, I still never had the most awsome machine. Why? The time it takes to ship the parts is enough for 2 more generations of parts to be released! When you buy console, you get a stable environment to play on for the better part of a decade. For the most part, you will not be spending cash on the console. Instead you will spend it on games. The bad side is that when the next console comes out, your old one becomes paper weight as far as newer games are concerned. Where as on a pc, you get the ability to play most games that come out for some time (albeit on the lower settings as you go). It really comes down to the type of gamer you are. If you are a young gamer that only plays online with friends, chances are in the long run your interest in games will be shorter lived than that of a core gamer who can play offline for days. So the future should not be near the issue in the earlier case (console is for you more often than not).
Again, I generalize here. The idea is that there are so many rhymes or reasons to go one way or another and some go both. If you are strapped for cash, consoles will get you started much cheaper. If you have a thing for pixels and ridiculous frame rates, go pc. All I can say is do not buy on impulse. If you take the time to try out friends setups (pc or not) you will more than likely find the right fit. I spent the better part of 3 months deciding between the 360 and the Ps3 (already had my PC). I picked the PS3 for the all around uses. Online gaming is not that big of a concern (I do that on the PC). To say you cannot do online on the PS3 is just ludicrous. It is different than that of the 360. I played the UC2 online and it was flawless. I didn’t lag and I did not have any trouble teaming up. So just look more at the games you want to play and then look at the online support specifically to that game or games. You may find something surprising. I will mention that the online support for PS3 games has only improved since its inception. Now that they are flexing MAG, I think they are trying hard to show not only that it can be good, but eventually better than LIVE. No one knows until it is done. Certainly, LIVE is in the lead. Shouldn’t it be? You pay for it. At anyrate good luck to all that are deciding.
yeh i agree consoles do last a while. which is why i still play ps1 still same with super nintendo lol those things were built to last. yeh also pcs do out of date quick its like i bought an awesome pc a few years ago now it is considered as mediocre shows how outdated it is lol
I remember when xbox 360 and the ps3 were coming out. Everybody was taking sides about which one they would buy. I posted a long reply to an article.. and the jist of that reply was it didn’t really matter. I would end up buying both.. but I am a hard core gamer. And so I did.
For most things, I prefer my ps3. Why? I know I will get bashed for saying this (look at the last few comments) but.. I run all my consoles and my pc on a 1080p projector pushing a 120 (diag) inch screen. At the enlarged size you can see alot of things you cant see on other screens. MY ps3 is my dvd platform. Between my ps3 and the onkyo receiver sound and picture comes out nice on my projector.. on the 360 not so much. Because we watch A LOT of blueray movies.. I use the ps3 tons. So its easier for me not to have to hunt for the 360 controller lying around lol. (im lazy) So on that note.. yeah ps3 has worked out for ME> For the 360… a 360 exclusive tends to not look so good. Im thinking of putting it through a 1080p upscaling unit to see if that helps. But the ps3 has that problem on non 1080p native so i guess thats a mute point.
What i do look for in my 360 titles are a variety in the bargin bin.. like gamestops 2 get one free. Lets face it. There were alot more games for the xbox b4. So what do i do? I buy them real cheap. THe ps3 games tend to hold thier vale a little longer (the good ones) so i have to wait.
The system interface 360 isn’t so intuitive. My wife (hint guys and gals) can use the ps3 for rentals (from their store) plays games and uses the internet. She hates using the 360 cause she is always getting confused.
I adhore the 360 policy of online use. Why? why the hell do i need to PAY for patches? Let me explain. So some company screws up on a game, puts it out anyways, and I have to PAY to access to fix it? ahem. Becuase I do not belive in paying for online play (even though we know the nextgen consoles will prob make u pay an additonal 10+ dollars a month for all games even purchased disk based games) i tend to lean towards my ps3.
Lets put that into perspective. base cost 299 + 5 years @ 50 a year. Means over a 5 year period it costs 550.. for an xbox 360 for my patches and to play with friends.. on the ps3 its .299… … … for 5 years..
I hate propriety stuff. Its a rip off. RIP OFF. The irritation i feel when i have to buy some new hardware piece for the 360 cause they fail ALL THE TIME>. Their cost is stupid.
MS like thier os and software wants to milk you. but.. if you dont care ignore that point. Ive had 2 rlod btw… pOC
Now for the ps3 bashing. I GOT A YELLOW LIGHT OF DEATH for the no fail argument. but that was after 4 years and a week straight almost of ps3 being left on. But still i got one. and atm I am waitng for sony to send me back a replacment. The ps3 selection is getting better. but wth i bought it because of exclusives.. like final fantasy and gta but .. well they didn’t pay to retain any of them. The controllers fail like no tomorrow. I have just bought sony branded ps3 controllers.. and guess what..when you shake them you hear little pieces rattling around…They still work but.. sheesh. Siaxis was a week jab at wii. You hardly use it. but when you do it irritating as heck.
Well i could go on and on about both pros and cons. The point is.. the ps3 has worked out a little bit better for me.. blueray counts. Reliability counts. NON proprietary counts (the hdd on the 360 made me mad). Making wife happy counts … the most. I could sell her on the ps3. With the xbox.. what was the selling point other than my own birthday sneak buy lol. It wasnt a gift for me for us, but instead it was a gift for me for me. So I ended up getting the ps3 first lol.
Miestroman,
Whilst I’m not going to disagree with the essence of your post there are a few corrections that need to be pointed out.
1. I think you meant that you “abhor” the 360 policy of online use. Apart from the spelling mistake being quite abhorable (see what I did there. Abhor & adore couldn’t be much further from opposites) your point about patches is not valid. I haven’t got a 360, but I did a little googling & from what I can see you can still connect the console to the internet (Xbox Live Store access etc), & still get patches for your games on a Silver Account, you just don’t get to play games online.
2. Your $50 a year cost for the 360 Gold Live Account is valid, but you can pick it up cheaper than that if you look around. It still works out more expensive than the PS3 online (obviously), but there are discounts to be had. I still think you shouldn’t have to pay for online, but it’s a personal choice. Nobody is forcing 360 customers to pay for it, & if they feel like they’re getting value for money, who am I to argue with them. Personal preference I suppose.
3. You say you got YLOD on the PS3 after 4 years. You’ll be lucky as it’s only been out for 3 years. I know they say time flies when you’re having fun, but I think you’ve lost track.
4. Controllers fail like there’s no tomorrow & you hear bits rattling around in them. I’ve had one fail on me in the 14 months I’ve had my PS3, & I think it was the battery, it just went from fully working to fully dead instantly, no power in it at all. Luckily it died on the last day of the 12 months (UK) warranty so the shop exchanged it without hassle. As for the bits rattling, I haven’t come across this at all on the PS3. It used to be a problem with the old PS2 controllers, & I think every single one of them I owned ended up like this (remember taking them apart to remove random bits of plastic when it got really annoying). The analogue sticks also used to lean a little, which was a bitch trying to go straight on GT4 – I was always trying to find the controller with the least messed up analogue sticks. Apart from the one sudden death of my original DS3 I haven’t had any of the faults you mention, & I’ve hammered my PS3 usage wise since the wife bought it for me.
I do agree with you’re general view & especially about the proprietary thing though, & MS do overcharge for things like hard drives, wi-fi adaptors & controller chargers.
@ Miestroman
Out of curiousity, would you say your projector was any good for gaming, and if so might I ask which you have? I was planning on grabbing one, but most I saw on display locally seemed pretty sketchy so I may have to buy online. And we’re talking nasty refresh rates and some of the display models losing the signal and stuff while being used. Horrible stuff.
As far as what you’ve mentioned goes, Kaden covered any inaccuracies I could see (patches are indeed free for all 360 users) and I agree completely about the proprietary hard drives being a disadvantage for the 360. While being proprietary often leads to solid peripherals, the 360 hard drives are damned tiny considering that much of the exclusive content MS seem to push is downloadable. I have also found PS3 controllers to be problematic, though I have noticed the later dualshock model seems to fix most of my problems (earlier model being too lightweight with no force feedback). I have had a controller with loose bits rattling around, but the problem I come up with the most is the rechargable battery crapping out.
The one thing I don’t get though, is how the 360 interface can be seen as not being intuitive after the NXE update. Scroll up and down for a category, left and right for sub categories and most important things like adding friends into a game or chat and changing your music are just a step away with the guide button’s menu. Only thing that isn’t too intuitive are some of the hidden away options, but most of those are pretty useless.
I found this article and the other two previous to it very well informed and unbiased, even when he said that 360 was better (and I love my ps3 hahahaha). I felt he touched a lot of points that were worth while mentioning!! Great article.
I have both the Playstation 3 and XBOX 360 and I simply prefer the XBOX 360. I feel comfortable, and in my ‘safe zone’ when I turn on my 360.
I love knowing that I can invite anyone (Obviously only up to 8 people) to a party but that’s fine! 2 of my best mates chatting about CoD: MW2 is just awesome. (Even if we are playing different games)… (or even if we’re blazing on MW2… or Gears2)
I found this article very interesting, and I was intrigued throughout, however there is way too much hype over PS3, but hey! That’s my opinion. (Only cause I’m a Gears (of) Whore) :’)
Thanks! A great article!
regards online play on PS3 and 360, anyone else notice the distinct lack of arseholes playing MW2 on PSN?
Hey i really like your articles but when i read them they seem to be just written before a big thing has happened (release of big games or important update). Please write another i think both consoles will see their full potential blossom throught 2010 and 2011. Thanks for the interesting article! cookie for you!.
You should wirt another article because everything has changed the past months. PSN almost as good as Live but for free AND with dedicated servers. Why exactly do you pay for Live ? Oh yes Crossgamechat ….. I wonder how long it takes that this will be updated for PSN after this there is simply no reason why Xbox Live would be better.
The Price ? 299 Dollar PS3 299 Dollar Elite (but without Wifi and plus costs for live).
The graphics ? Killzone 2 (still not a game in sigth on Xbox which could beat that. But I have to admit that there is a Chance with Crysis 2)
Uncharted 2 ! Even better looking then Killzone 2 And then there is GT5 ok its a racing game cant be compared to FPS/WRPGS but it will be by far the best looking racing game on this planet. It will be probably the only game this generation which REALLY is Full HD 1080p and 60 FPS. Heavy rain ?? MMORPGS coming I wonder if its really possible to have a game like MAG or FF 14 or the agency on Xbox Live without dedicated server with P2P ?
HD Streaming almost as good as Bluray ? Sorry man but thats almost as bad as saying upscaled DVD and Bluray are the same. 7.1 Souround Sound impossible on DVD ? Ok maybe most of you dont care I do.
Did I mention that there is probably a possibility to have 16x Antialiasing on PS3 in the future ? The SPUs are really some kind of technical wonder. Sabotuer->MLAA
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry
And because of sales. PS3 outsold Xbox360 World wide since Slim Launch by 2 Million Units. And even in America it picked up massiv momentum. It beats there the Xbox only by a small margin (except on BL because there it was about 150K) but still this is a giant achievment.
The man which has written the first article was clearly biased. Even if he is a programmer. he has to admit that the PS3 is (at the moment) the clearly superior hardware. And he probably had just dificultys to handle it. Games like Uncharted 2 destroy EVERY argument he has made.
I am glad I discover this today and not 2 year ago because the PS3 has evolved during the last 3 years and shows its superiority in every way. Price Graphics Sales hardware Games. And PSN is as good as Live I dont care this much about cross game chat. Even though I think we will have that soon on PS3. There is nothing MS can offer with Live which can tbe contered easily by Sony.
As long as Microsoft dont reacts PS3 is the better deal. And even the Americans have seen this recently I dont expect that the PS3 overtakes Xbox360 in US (It overtaked it already everywhere else). But I expect the PS3 to catch up quickly to the Xbox.
Yep, cross game chat. Also a bigger selection of games I can buy and download online. Oh and technical support, since you’re paying for your net they give a damn about getting it working pretty fast. Also the moderation features, nothing better than reporting griefers and eventually having them disappear (so long as the griefing is annoying I mean, often they’re that funny I don’t care). Oh yeah and I’ve also never had a shitty connection to XBL so long as things were cool at my end, my experiences with PSN change noticably as my location/setup does. And the exclusive DLC 360 gamers seem to get fairly often. Time delayed DLC too, I almost would have wanted to injure someone if I owned a PS3 version of Fallout 3 in the beginning and didn’t have it on 360. Oh and The Guild. I know I can watch it free online, but downloading it in a few minutes and watching it in HD is amazing. Hmmm, I think that’s near everything. OH YEAH, also the ease with which I can add people into games and such. While you can do most of the same stuff on a PS3, it’s often less conveniant. I mean damn, if I wanted to inconveniance in exchange for ‘superior’ gaming I would have stuck with PC, as it is I’m lazy and don’t see the PS3 as superior.
Yeah, I do have to pay for Wifi. But if I did want to use Wifi which fails for games compared to a wired connection, I could go and buy a wireless N adaptor for my 360. Can’t do that for the PS3. Hooray for free outdated technology? And I’m more than happy to pay for a superior online service. Just as I’m happy to pay to obtain a premium itunes application over a free feature crippled version.
On a technical level there has been better. Of course this means crap when the end result doesn’t look as polished, but Killzone 2 won’t support PS3 graphical superiority to anyone who’s taken a look at how it was achieved. I’d try sticking with Uncharted 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 for that, but then there’s not enough info given for either to know that conclusively. And let me just pre-empt any ‘but some games are too big for DVD!!!!’ with a ‘yeah, but there’s multi disc games and my personal favourite, downloadable games’. And a downloadable game is even less restricted than a blu-ray disc which on average has poorer read speeds than a DVD anyways meaning whether you go with DVD or Blu-ray each has it’s disadvantages for gaming.
I’d imagine HD streaming would be fine so long as your connection is good enough. I say I’d imagine as I live in rural Australia where internet is shit, so I can’t say so conclusively. I have heard you can stream in 1080 with multichannel sound quite easily with a good connection (not so sure if it’s doable on either console as they’re both limited to what is offered by service providers [and no, I'm not referring to ISPs when I say that, though unmetered downloads are always a plus]). Either way, I buy my game consoles for games. But if you have enough money for a good 7.1 speaker setup, surely you have enough for a better standalone player or both consoles anyways.
GT5 will be great I’m sure, but the 360 already has Forza 3 and may I say it does look rather nice even though I haven’t looked into how it looks so nice yet? Great car racing game, but then it’s what I expected. I have a feeling GT5 will look better on release, but it’s often the case when a big competitor releases their game first by a decent margin. Isn’t it coming out March next year in Japan and possibly later everywhere else?
Going by sales figures, eh? In that case the Nintendo WIi must be the best console. Hasn’t it still sold more than the 360 and PS3 combined?
How is an opinion biased when things were that way at the time of writing? I noticed so many people using ‘bias’, ‘biased’ and whatever other varieties of the word just to try and make an argument not agreeing with their own seem less credible. But your right, his opinion would be biased. Just as yours or mine always would be, but at least at the time of writing, his article was quite informed and showed he had experience in the industry. Only robots or people with some kind of neurological condition that impairs your ability to think emotively could be unbiased I’d think.
Price? You can buy a 360 for less than a Wii if you don’t mind it crippled. Graphics? Still debatable and I’m looking forward to this next year or two of games on both consoles. Preparing to have my mind blown ya know? Sales? Wii is superior! Hardware? You mean for gaming or as an entertainment unit? And then there’s games, my favourite. Firstly this really depends on which has the exclusives you want to play more, BUT the 360 has more retail games, more downloadable games and can play some xbox original games while the PS3 had PS2 BC removed despite a PS2 being lower spec than the original Xbox. PSN isn’t as good as XBL. REALLY. You need to experience them both for a considerable amount of time before you decide to make statements like that. As I have said before to someone who said similar, if Sony can easily make it’s online experience ‘superior’, why haven’t they done so already?
Again with the sales figures. Go buy a Wii, seriously.
(I know I love mine, particularly the VC)
Silver, you naughty dog. Pun intended. You must stop calling KZ2 graphics as some kind of hoax. All games cut somewhere to get something on screen. The difference is KZ2 looks good. Is it impossible for you to admit that? It just seems you have read an article about KZ2 and not Gears or Uncharted 2. They can point out something on all of them. I also run on wireless to my PS3 and can online perfectly fine. The problem is in big downloads. The data stream for games is not all that broad. It is less than 100 kbytes a sec. UC2 ran without a hitch when I played online as did MGS4. If your wireless is not working well you might have some settings to adjust. I found, most commonly, that people tend to just plug and play. My router set itself up to run packets at 1500 MTU and the DSL only goes up to 1492. That sounds minute but if the router doesn’t packet down to the right size for dsl, the router is slowing you and the modem is slowing you. People that make those changes usually find that their internet through wireless works quite zippy. My wireless lag number is less than 1 msec. All good there. All my networking tests show that I can run 54 mbit wireless as far as I know that is faster than any ISP can give.
The anti-ailiasing he mentions though is off. The 16x comparison is not a comparison of numbers. They are saying that even a pc that runs 16x MSAA cannot achieve the results they have with the technique on the SPU or SPU’s. I do not know how much of the resources are used to do this technique, but if it is minimal, it should be able to keep the PS3 on par with the 360 without loading the GPU. They say they have been doing it on some games already. Good stuff. It is all up to the developer on how the final product looks and runs. The sacrifices on the Cryengine 3 are also posted on the Eurogamer. They show what the Cry team has done to make things happen on consoles. Very interesting stuff there.
O_o I HAVE admitted Killzone 2 looks great. Just I’ve pointed out that it wasn’t really a good example of the PS3 being technically superior as it looks good due to the work of Guerilla games and not because the game’s doing anything special with the aid of the PS3. Any claims I have made can be backed up by documentation provided to the denizens of the internet by Guerilla themselves. The reason I suggested using MGS4 or Uncharted 2 as a real benchmark is because though I haven’t seen much official info on them, I have seen bits and pieces that might indicate the PS3 has some form of superiority. If anything I was suggesting which examples he should have been using to support his argument.
I adjusted the same settings for my PS3 as I did for my Xbox and also my PC. And as good as a wireless connection can get (which doesn’t apply to a PS3 as it don’t support wireless N), it’ll still never be as good as a wired connection. Yeah, you might get full speed either way these days, but wireless can still be effected by outside interference.
I didn’t feel like addressing the anti-aliasing claim myself as I felt it beneath me, though that just shows I’m overproud at times and you’re good at getting more shit onto the table for people who wouldn’t know. It’s a good thing.
I am not trying to say you are bashing KZ2 for the hell of it or anything. I would like you to mention that all upper end graphical games out there need a little tweak here and there to come out like they do. I suppose that last line was a compliment. I do like reading the technical stuff. I have read alot on both consoles. They both came with something new.
The 360′s ingenuity is limited in its uses where the PS3 has so many avenues (they are limited as well) we have yet to see (at least it would appear that way) . I am not going to say that the PS3 will just stomp the 360 into the ground. As I have stated before, the differences will be in small incriments.
The AA thing may be a larger difference if this is not a taxing program for more than 1 SPU. Other than that, freeing the AA off the GPU may give the PS3 a slight edge that will be barely if at all noticeable. That all of course comes back to memory management IMO. So far no real conclusive data is available to cipher through to make any post. The whole 16x thing he mentions is just someones guess out how effective it is. This method, as I understand it, is not running 16 times per frame. The fact that they mention it can be done on PC makes me wonder if that also means the 360 can do it. They do relate the ability to how fast an SPU is. The difference between the clock speed and the amount of ops per cycle is the main factor we cannot see here. If it does not require to many ops to perform, we can expect to see this on the 360 as well (even if it is in a limited form). That would bring the consoles right back together. So really nothing conclusive from that article and the others you can Google. I will say that this was more of a must on PS3 as it is freeing the GPU bandwidth to some extent. 360 could use it to pre AA before their standard AA for a very good result I would think. That’s about all I can think of on this subject at this time.
let me just say ps3 wins on graphics (my opinion) but 360 is essentially the same maybe focusing on light in mod2 but still great so im a multiplayer kinda guy so i gravitate to 360 but in my opinion ps3 has better multiplayer games just my opinion. p.s. (i think im gonna get both so im glad!!!)
This post confuses me. You say you would rather play multi-player games, so you play 360 but the PS3 is better at graphics. Then you say that PS3 has better multi-player games. Why are you playing 360 then? Or did you make a mistake in your post. Sorry, couldn’t help myself and had to ask. Please clarify for us.
I could be wrong but I think he meant he feels the online multiplayer service of the 360 is better while he prefers the PS3′s multiplayer games.
That was what struck me when reading it anyways.
When will the three years later come out???
thank you for writing this, it really helped me decied which system to get. ( PS3 : p) i look forward to next years “comparison” to keep me updated on how each are advancing! thanks!
I have both and love both. When the dust settles though, I spend more time on my PS3. Its free online so I haven’t needed to buy xbox live and the 1 month trial that came with it didn’t impress me enough to pay $50 a year. In addition, I’ve played Modern Warfare 2 on the Ps3 and 360 and like it tons better on the Ps3 so I bought it for it and don’t have to pay to play online. My friend who usually likes the 360 controllers better even agreed the ps3 version is better. We can’t put our fingers on it, but it just plays better. I love the 360 for its Halo and other 2 player offerings, but in the end the Ps3 reigns supreme in my book. But to each his own. I’m glad I own both… :)
just couldn,t decide on xbox or ps3 just found this forum absolutely brilliant thanks to everyone ps3 it is cheers
It appears the new consoles from the “Big 3″ of the gaming world are slated for 2012. That is according to this site posted below. How reliable this site is is unknown. The key point I found here was the accusation that Sony was ditching NVidia for Intel on the GPU and maybe even more of the architecture. That would be huge if the new Intel GPU is as good as they claim. I am anxious to hear what the others will be doing with ATI. Also, I am curious if Nintendo is going to step into the “HD” gaming market and if IBM will be the power behind any of the consoles CPU’s. We are indeed in a crush market for the consoles of the next generation as both MS and Sony have lots to prove. This next round will more than likely be the end of one companies endeavor in the gaming console market. I say this due to the increasingly expensive production costs and need for high attach rate as far as games are concerned. It shall be good to see.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/02/05/intel.to.do.ps4.graphics/
I have to agree with some others who have said Silver sounds like an arse.
Now I have that out of the way I’d like to say I have no idea whether to get a PS3 or an XBOX 360.
I like games like Metal Gear Solid and the Final Fantasy series. I am not fond of the fact the XBOX could break down.
I have a PSP and PS2 and a Wii.
Really? Because I always thought an arse would make a noise closer to a SavageHurricane than some Silver. Especially after eating too many gassy foods. :)
If you disagree with something I’ve said, how about refuting it and explaining why rather than resorting to playground insults? Oh but wait, this is the internet. My bad.
I think most of the people on forums are taking things too far and too personal. Others and myself will gladly give you what information you want to know on the consoles to make a better opinion on your next purchase. I have ripped on Silver (and he on me), but never just a name calling episode. There is also a lot of subjective information that people are posting (myself included). You have to align yourself with the type of mentality you yourself possess. It is not as simple as taking Jane’s advice and running. If you like playing online war games and Jane likes playing RPG’s, her input will essentially be worthless. So filter the information well. Also be sure to give us the type of information we need to help. There is plenty of great games on both consoles either as exclusive or ports.
As for the name calling, I am thinking this may very well be why we have not yet received the year 3 article. Maybe they decided that the amount of immaturity is excessive on this forum topic and the energy is better spent elsewhere. This sucks that sucks, your wrong and no concrete information to support our statements is childish at best. Personally, I keep coming back for the little bits of information I can get and to post up information to unveil truths. The console war is nearing its end. We all are seeing what the consoles can do and now there is no excuse for this type of bashing. If anything, bash a developer. It is now in their hands. We now know that both consoles can make impressive graphical games and do them with solid framerates. They can both go online well. They can both do media outside of gaming. They both now make reliable gaming machines. They can both offer more games than any human could possibly play. It is the type of games you want that should drive your choice. Almost everyone on here can state their gripes of a console. My preference for games suggest that I made a bad choice. The RPG’s are scarce on the PS3. Do I regret it? Yes and no. Yes, I missed out on some good ones on the 360. No, I did want a Blu-Ray and I actually liked the sports games and shooters I have played (Oblivion was also great).
Wrapping it up, good luck on your choice and lets keep it mature here please.
Well said Zindikar. It is true that things get too heated and people resort to immature name calling. But most all of us have done it at some point or another. In the end both consoles are great as you say and have proved their worth. It really up to you to choose the one that aligns with your gaming style and preferences. Good Luck to all! Either one you’ll enjoy! :)
Zindikar,
There’s always Dragon Age:Origins & Demon Souls to keep you occupied until FF13 come along.
I’m just starting to get somewhere interesting in Dragon Age & it’s looking like it could be a thoroughly enjoyable RPG. The difficulty level I hear about on Demons Souls puts me off (plus I haven’t imported any games yet, but God of War collection & Demon Souls temps me to do so).
I’d still love to play Fable II, & keep hoping against all hope that they’ll drop it onto PC at some point (wishful thinking, I know). I’d get a 360 but with most games being multiplatform there’s not that many exclusives I’m interested in apart from the above, & the wife wouldn’t like more noise & mess in the living room.
Already whipped Dragon Age. No guide needed in that game. Managed to get all the quests completed. Although it is an RPG, I was disappointed with DA. To me, we are getting hosed on these next gen games. So they have better graphics. And they will just flicker on your screen due to them all being so short. I know they will offer DLC. DLC is more money for them. The price of games is slowly going up as it is. Now if you want to game on, you need to be ready to either own loads of games or loads of DLC. I think the last game I played that was not a horrificly short game was Elder Scrolls IV. Sure they had DLC, but just the main set of quests and storyline all compiled for a rather lengthy game. I have yet to see any other game on the PS3 that would keep me busy with it for more than a month without forcing me to play online garbage. If you have to do online to make a game seem bigger, you’re probably lacking a story. I like a point to the games. The shoot ‘em up games online seem too repetitive and that doesn’t suit me. I hear that Demon Souls is a horrific game in that it will anger most gamers. I can handle the wait with FF VII. If they make a Guild Wars on the PS3, I would buy it. GW over WoW due to no pay to play.
What I have heard about Fable II makes me wonder why you should want it. Most people that I know that do have it say that it is a step back from the original. Not sure myself as I have never played either. I hear the first was a great game.
Demon souls is a very good game. honestly its not that hard. i found it very enjoyable from what ive played so far which is 3/4 through the game. i love the ragdoll bodies after u kill the bad guys. why is everyone saying demon souls is hard its so easy not to mention woot go the spear and shield. i love how u can roll and block and stab at the same time.
i rate it 9.5 out of 10 in awesomeness
I agree. Game’s been in my PS3 for that long now I wouldn’t be surprised if the two have fused together.
I’d go as far as recommending it as one of the best games on PS3.
After reading this I still don’t know which system to buy. I mostly play sports games. On one hand I know the PS2 control pad so going to PS3 makes sense, but another part of me wants to try the XBox 360 even though I’ve only played it once. I’ve never played online, but I do watch movies on my PS2. I live in Costa Rica, so the Blue Ray technology isn’t here. Most of the movies and games here are pirated copies and I did put a chip in my PS2, since electronics are so much more expensive here. Am I to understand that the Xbox 360 can be modified for pirated games but not the PS3? Anybody have any extra advice/experiences that might help my decision on which system and version to buy?
Thanks
I would never recommend piracy as that is one of the reasons we pay so much for games. The PS3 is not uncrackable. The reason you do not hear of anyone cracking it is simply the amount of cost for a Blu-Ray Disc. The ability to use a HDD however may become the option hackers jump on. Sony was smart in this choice of media as it allows for the Developer to know their work was not just another easy steal.
The RROD and YLOD issues are not the same. RROD was a bad chip implementation by MS trying to save around $12 a console. The end result was a failure rate that exceeded 30% on the pre-Jasper era. The YLOD was not actually common. The rate of PS3 failures was reported at less than 1% and remains there. They changed PS3 to minimize costs and it had nothing to do with YLOD. They chucked the backwards compatibility and shrunk the GPU and CPU die size which both lowers heat output as well as power requirements. Win-Win for the PS3 standpoint, not for the compatibility. Sports games are everywhere, even the Wii can give you that. If you prefer not to swing your arms around then the Wii is not for you. If you prefer the baseball games, PS3 has MLB the Show. The Show is the absolute king of Baseball games. You have to deal with 2K sports otherwise and they have horrible sports games that never fail to glitch and often you lose the ability to finish the game. It happened to me one time to many and I traded that garbage off. The rest of the sports games are about even. You will hear people talk about frame issues on the PS3. I have Madden ’08, a game that has been said to be one of the worst, and you actually have to look for it to see it. The game plays great. So really, I would use another Genre to decide your console selection. Hope this helps.
Though I’m not a fan of piracy, I do understand in some places it’s more or less the rule. Xbox 360 is the only one of the two with a bigger pirating scene, but if you connect online with pirated games, there’s a good chance you’ll be banned from xbox live meaning you’ll be saying goodbye to all your online features. My personal recommendation is to get the one with the more games you want and then look into importing games elsewhere which can be fairly cheap. Just do a few net searches to see which games are or aren’t open region (or which countries have the same region protection).
If you go that way, the PS3 might be better suited to you as pretty much every game seems open region, with the only issue I’ve seen being online features/DLC that are region locked though there should be ways around that such as downloading the content via an account from the country of the game or something. I assume that’d work anyway, haven’t tried it myself.
Sounds like a distribution issue is still in exsistence. I cannot speak of this much because I live in the second best place to be for games. Japan is the leader (PS3 and Wii). I can however say that if the games are not there, the consoles were probably scarce as well. This means to me that you have worked to get your equipment, now you have to work to get your game library. That’s to say that is true, online purchasing is a viable option. Just like Silver states, watch the region issues.
Carl Nelson…
PLEASE WRITE THE NEW PLAYSTATION 3 VS XBOX 360 <> YEARS LATER ARTICLE!!!
Carl Nelson…
Please write the NEW Playstation 3 vs. Xbox 360 THREE Years Later Article!!!
don’t bother going down the “modified” xbox route, you’ll only be on the blunt end of microsofts banhammer and ultimately end up having to buy a new system.
as i stated before somewhere on this i have both consoles (and a wii) and do not consider myself a fanboy of either console,
xbox iive is great but does it warrant the subscription costs? – no, you get the same experience on psn for free
then there’s the reliability factor concerning both consoles.
if recent reports are to be believed, the failure rate of the xbox 360 system now stands at 60%.
just think about them figures—-, it means that 3 in every 5 xbox 360 systems has encountered problems which points to an inherent design flaw and although the problems are well known, MS are still pumping out basically the same system, which has apparently lead to a $1 billion cost for a system 4 years old.
sony however experienced problems of their own with the fabled “yellow lights of death”, a problem blown out of all proportion by certain media, (as with RROD), but they managed to catch this early and promptly redesigned the PS3 into a sleak new chassis with the same hardware underneath but uses half the power of the “fatboy” system and is so quiet you might have to check every so often that it is actually running.
i’d recommend the PS3 to anyone interested in buying a new console as the game library is improving, less chance of failure, free (for the time being) online services and basically looks better.
i’ve never experienced problems with my 360 and still love it but the PS3 seems more a stable investment
Xbox live’s costs being warrantable is debatable.
I’ve already mentioned what is has over PSN a few times and they certainly aren’t the same experience.
bknutz .
I’m a latin american user too and piracy is very common in my country, i rather not buying piracy because in my very personal opinion i think that games are art master pieces that should be boght and keeped. I still having Gran Turismo 3 and 4, God of War, MGS, SOCOM and many games for my playstation 2. If you like sport games (personally i don’t like’em) you can buy any console you want (i suggest an xbox 360 because of its better graphics manipulation for that kind of games). The point is that i recommend you to go to US oftenly like twice a year and buy your games for the whole year because it’s cheaper that way, that’s what i do every year, i go to the US and buy my games for the whole year, sad but true, that’s what most people in latin america do because it’s very expensive buying games in latin american countries
I do not play alot of games, i am a little behind my times, Im in the process of buying a game system. I currently own a wii which is great for family fun. But i want something for myself. I dont know if i will get into alot of the games out there for each system. I am into the madden games, and other sport games, and it would be nice to have for movie quality, so which system will be better for me based on my needs?
i bought the wii shortly after launch and it held my attention for a week, after that it was ignored.
it’s not really a gaming console for solo users imo, it’s great for family and the occasional drunken shenanigans but it’s very limited.
madden 08 was ok i thought, it’s successor – 09 was desperate, 10 is sublime.
@jay, for sports games there really isn’t much between consoles but i find the controller of the 360 more comfortable with sports titles, if you like action/adventure games i’d recommend the PS3 for uncharted, drakes fortune and it’s sequel among thieves, PS3 exclusives and were made by God himself, they’re fantastic games which play out like a movie.
if you want a console for movie capabilities the PS3 has blu-ray which looks fantastic or you could shell out more money for a HDDVD player for a 360, in fact buying a 360 will soon get you used to spending money – a wireless dongle for online, a subscription for online, batteries for your controller (s), go for PS3, free online, wireless, and rechargeable controller, it’s energy efficient, (the new slim model anyway – apparently), looks smart and makes no noise, the 360 can sometimes sound like a freight train.
@silver
i think the debates over PSN and xbox live really boil down to personal preference
So some people actually prefer less content and less functions?
The issue isn’t more content alone. It is going to be based on how much for the money. If you don’t find much to download to your preference, Live might not offer you anything more than PSN.
you know thats not what i mean, from a gameplay perspective there is very little between them.
take MW2, i have it on both consoles purely for online and honestly it’s mirrored. live has no extra content, PSN has no less content, same game, maps and horrible little aresholes singing down their mic.
as a package xbox live shades it slightly but i was under the impression, (probably informed wrongly) that my yearly subscription went back into the game development leading to a better online gaming experience.
if i’m wrong i have no problem been corrected but as it stands there is no difference in online gaming between the 2.
this debate over PS3 and xbox will continue for as long as fanboyism exists, i’m just happy to have both but at the risk of repeating myself, i play the xbox more.
Yeah, the online gameplay is more or less the same, even though the 360 gets more DLC, cross game chat and an easier way of adding people via the guide button. I’d get into more things like music, but they’re single player as well.
But the part I originally disagreed with was, and I quote:
‘xbox iive is great but does it warrant the subscription costs? – no, you get the same experience on psn for free’
Xbox Live and PSN aren’t just about playing the game online, they’re also about downloading arcade games, full version games and games from past consoles. XBL has more games and more DLC, some of which is used in online games.
…..and i did’nt read your synopsis of what live has over PSN, my utterings here are purely from a personal viewpoint.
maybe i should have clarified my original sentiments
you know now that i was speaking about in game content regarding multiplayer, as for DLC and arcade stuff then i fully concur that live is light years ahead of PSN.
and the new ps3 has abolished any backward compatibility which is a fail of monumental proportions.
and whats the story with the PSN community and the avatars? i look like a freak :)
I was referring to multiplayer as well as some exclusive DLC can be played online in a multiplayer sense. This is rarer, but I think the most publicised case was the DLC for GTAIV. I still haven’t played The Ballad of Gay Tony, but The Lost and the Damned added quite a bit to the online experience.
Really great unbiased article…Thank You. I also like the comments by almost everyone, but especially the ones from Silver and Zindikar. Lots of great stuff from both of you, and both obviously know your stuff, and done lots of homework on both systems. Now, I am not posting this to start problems, I am by no means a fanboy, and don’t have as much info as most of you here, but I wanted to share my thoughts. I’ll make it as brief as possible. I’m a 52 year old dinosaur that has been gaming since back when Intellivision and Atari came out, and ever since been addicted to video games. Still remember when Nintendo came out, what a huge leap, and then SNES, SEGA, etc…, and all was for the better and improving hardware and software. Needless to say, I was one happy camper :) However, I can’t exactly pinpoint when and what particular system, but I do remember noticing games not being the same, controllers being more complicated, etc…, and I believe it was with the first PlayStation?! Yes, games looked much better, more challenging, etc…, but somethings just didn’t seem to be as much fun, IMHO. The last generation, I had both the XBOX and PS2, and I favored the XBOX slightly, mainly because of the games, the controller because instead of 4 shoulder pads, like the PS and PS2, it only had 2, and most of all because no memory cards were needed. Now, this generation, I have both the 360 and the PS3, and I hate both! In fact, so much that I’m even considering selling both and buying an original XBOX with lots of my favorite games, and waiting until the next generation to see what Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft come out with, as well as I’ve heard rumors of Apple and Sega merging to get into the console wars?! The only reason I might not sell my 360 and/or PS3 is because I hate missing out on newer great games, which IMO, are not very many. Here is briefly why I hate both new systems:
PS3 – Despise the fact that I am forced to download EVERY game before playing it, controller sucks, to keep milking the PS2 to death there is no backward compatibility, and not really a whole lot of great games, although they have improved their library lately, but took way to long on my shelf collecting dust.
XBOX 360 – 4 RRODs ordeals already, nervous when this new one will die, fan is too loud, disc turning is also loud, and really detest the fact that they new before launching the 360 that there were issues yet denied it for about 2 years before issuing exchanges.
Those are my feelings on both systems, and still wonder how there can be fanboyism for either one of these 2 companies! I’m not even going to get into the online play, as I play by myself ALWAYS, so I don’t care about that. I also won’t get into the extra features, such as Blu-Ray Player included, surf the web, etc…, as I have a Blu-Ray player and a PC to surf the internet. So, while it’s nice extras for some, to me it’s no use because I buy these systems to play video games and nothing more. My other complaint about both these systems is that developers have gotten too lazy in making games, because you can later on get the patches for them, which really ticks me off knowing they rushed games, did not fully test them, and in some cases made them shorter so you can then download add-ons/expansions! Finally, I think gaming is steering more and more towards online gaming and multi-player people, which leaves me out since I play alone, and even GameSpot reviewers have mentioned several games’ single campaigns being far too short, making me pass up on games that I thought might be good. It’s just not fair, and while I’ve always adjusted to each next generation’s console(s), this time I have not been able to, and call me an extinct dinosaur if you want, but if these trends continue then it’s the end for me, as a future player, and will just revert back to older systems and enjoy playing the oldie but goodie games, on each system, which can be bought cheap on eBay and Amazon. Thanks again for this great article, as well as to all who have posted some great stuff, and if Silver and Zindikar can enlighten me with their thoughts, feelings, opinions, advice, etc…, I would love to read them.
Peace, I’m Out! Happy Holidays to ALL!!!
I agree more or less completely. My must have games list for this generation is limited to around 5-10 games, most of which can be beaten gameplaywise by greats of the past. That said, I was pro PS2 last gen (mostly for the RPGs), but either way I can relate.
One thing I can suggest is looking into newer systems created for the older games including handhelds such as the GP2X Wiz and the Pandora (still not quite out I think sadly). Some of these can play up to PSX era games and some of them are also noticably cheaper than the consoles of the big three. Oh and if you have an iPhone or iPod Touch, the app store has a few nice retro pieces. And I’m not just talking Sonic the Hedgehog here (it seems to be released on everything), also things like a Commodore 64 emulator.
As far as my 360 fanboyism goes, I think it’s mostly as a result of disillusionment thanks to my experiences with the PS3 and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some PS3 fans equally fanboyish who had negative experiences playing a 360. Of course you get a lot of fans who’ve only played one or another and feel a need to justify their purchase or something, but most of those can be caught out with claims that don’t really make sense to any who’ve played both consoles. lol
fanboyism.
even the term evokes images of spotty teenagers refuting any argument relating to their preferred console regardless of any justifiable comment, i dont think your a “fanboy” silver, you obviously know what your talking about not like one serious 360 devotee who derided my decision in keeping my PS3 after i got the 360,
“why would you keep that crock of shit PS3 when you have the 360 now?”, he asked.
i had to ask where his contempt for the PS3 came from, “it’s just shit”, he replied.
i dug deeper playing the faux psychiatrist role and was expected to hear about his PS3 blowing up and destroying his life, or maybe the (admittedly) crap controller deforming his hands.
“i’ve never played one and never will” was his intellectually challenged reply.
it’s a terrible infliction.
I really like the comments that I’m seeing on this discussion because, most of the comments are fair and accurate judgements of both consoles. I prefer my ps3 anyday of the week over my 360 hell I rarely play my 360!!! I feel the ps3 is a better entertainment system with its blu-ray player, the ability to fast forward songs(you’d be surprised how much you miss it when it isn’t there) the ability to store films on the hdd, upgardeable hdd without voiding the warranty, free online, internet browser, wi fi adapter as standard, you can connect any old €5 keyboard and mouse you buy down at your local discount shop you don’t have to buy sony licensed products. I’m sorry I must seem like a fanboy but these are facts and I find it hard to support Micro$oft when all they’re interested in is whats in your pocket and the next thing they can bring out to strip whatever cash is left in your pocket, to be honest as far as gameplay goes that is very subjectiver, it really depends do you want Metal Gear solid or Gears of War, do you want Halo or Resisitance(Halo is obviously better lol), do you want Little Big Planet or whatever the analagous game is on the 360. But i feel the ps3 wins because of the stuff i mentioned earlier!! but whatever console is your preference is your choice but 360 fanboys have got to lay off the ps3 because you don’t hear me saying the 360 is shit I merely say I think the ps3 is better.
Boy am I glad I found this site. Really great article and perhaps even better info from all that have posted. I found this site because I’m still debating whether to get an Xbox 360 or PS3 for X-Mas. I have a PS2 and Xbox now, with 52 games for my PS2 and 68 games for my Xbox. I like both equally and don’t have a problem going from one console to the other, as well as no problems using either controllers. I am looking for advice from those that have both, but after reading this guy Junior’s post, which by the way, you’re not a Dinosaur, man, I realized that maybe I’m not ready to get either one of the new systems. You see, like Junior, I don’t play online, co-op, multiplayer, etc…! I’m just a single player that enjoys playing by myself. Also, unlike most of you, I can’t afford both new systems, and after this past generation where I got an Xbox first, then a PS2 Slim, even if I could afford it I would only opt for one system. Reason is because it’s hard to keep up with both and expensive, for me. Here’s my predicament now, in order to get one of the new systems I would have to sell my Xbox because they are no longer accepted as trade ins at Game Stop, and the PS2 I could trade in for $20.00 or sell on eBay, to help me afford either the Xbox 360 or PS3 and get a few games to start with. But, after reading Junior’s posting, now I fear I might miss my Xbox and PS2 if I do that. If I was to get an Xbox 360 it wouldn’t be that bad because most of my games for my Xbox could be played on it, but if I get a PS3 then goodbye to my 52 PS2 games :(( Worse part, and main reason I would not get both new systems, aside from affording it, is the fact that there’s only so many hours of game playing, like I learned this past generation. In fact, many games for both the Xbox and PS2 I have yet to complete, and some I haven’t even played or tried, with some still brand new and factory sealed. Aside from not enough time, I also got stuck playing Ninja Gaiden, which to me has been the hardest game ever, and still trying to complete it with the help of the official strategy guide and some walkthroughs from GameFaqs. What a mess! And now, thanks to Junior’s posting, and with Silver agreeing, my head is really spinning…HELP!!! Should I hold off, at least until I finish playing all my Xbox and PS2 games, or am I missing out on a lot on a new system? Also, which new system do you recommend for me? Like Junior, I am interested in just the best gaming console, not extras, and I like all kinds of games, sports, rpgs, action/adventure, fighting, racing…all kinds. My gut tells me that the Xbox 360, mainly because I can still finish most of my Xbox games on it, but I fear the RROD deal, even though I have read and heard that it’s been fixed. But, I also like some of the exclusives for the PS3, or at least they look like I would like them, mainly: MGS4, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, God of War 3, when it comes out, as I love GOW 1 and 2 on my PS2. Really would appreciate you guys help, cause after reading this article and all the posts, I’m literally more confused than ever, and thanks to Junior’s comments with Silver agreeing, I’m wondering if I just hang on to my Xbox and PS2, then wait till further on? Please…HELP!
Hello George what I’d advise that you do is to try and hold on to your original Xbox and ps2 because you’d get nothing for them, maybe €25 each. The 360′s backwards compatibility is awful!! but it has it and some games run smoothly some not. I feel your predicament is a bit of a toss up because both consoles can offer what you want but they both have something that you want. Ultimately whatever console you choose would suit you fine because a lot of the best games are multi-platform but I feel that the ps3 is amassing a very good library plus the ps3 is expected to last a couple of years after the next Xbox comes out so you wouldn’t have to upgrade. I recommend the ps3; fantastic piece of hardware!! I hoped that helped.
Thanks, David. But, my predicament is that I not only need the extra money to get one of the two systems, I also don’t have the room to have three consoles, and I don’t want more than one console this time around. I learned my lesson with my Xbox and PS2. You say I will only get 25 dollars for the systems? I checked on ebay and without any games or extras they are selling for at least 50 dollars, so my Xbox with 68 games, dvd kit, action replay kit, headset w/mic, 3 controllers, and aside from the original cables I also have an hdtv cable, which is how I have it hook-up to my HDTV, and my PS2 with 52 games, 2 memory cards, 2 controllers, and all original cables, I believe I can get more than just 25 dollars for all that, right? Especially since I take care of my things, so everything is in great condition and all games are complete with original case, manuals, and discs, quite a few are still brand new and factory sealed. That’s another thing, lots of games I have yet to complete and some I haven’t even tried out, so it’s hard to part with all of them right now, then read what the man, Junior, wrote where he states that he’s even might get rid of his PS3 and 360 to go back and get an Xbox because he prefers that. If I get rid of both my PS2 and Xbox for a new system then find out I don’t like it I’m screwed, man. Also, you say that the Xbox games don’t play well on the 360, right? How’s that? I seen the website where they have the list of backwards compatibility, and the list of games are pretty big, so what do you mean? You also seem to favor the PS3, like the guy that wrote this article, and while I was leaning more towards it after reading all this, as well as I still kind of fear the RROD thing, according to things I’ve heard about the having to download games for the PS3, I literally don’t know which is worse because I don’t have a whole lot of patience and get frustrated pretty quickly. Maybe I’m just too much of a hurry to get a new system and play these new great games? I mean, perhaps I’m better off finishing all the games I haven’t yet on my PS2 and Xbox before I contemplate getting a new system? But, then again, now as it is I am way behind with these new systems because of all the games available for them, and this is exactly what happened last generation, when I held on to my PS 1 to play all the games I had for it for too long before getting my Xbox and then my PS2. Man, I hate my life right now! What a mess with all these consoles and games! Wish there was only one game console that would last forever! Anyone else have advice as to what I should do???
Don’t get rid of your old systems or games because I’m sure there will be times even with a new console that you want them. Also I don’t think the money you’ll get will justify the enormous collection you’ve created. If you have to, wait to buy one of the new systems if the only way to afford it is selling an old one. As far as space goes, the ps3 slim is even smaller than the 360 now and I’m sure would easily fit anywhere you’ve got room. I have both systems, and coming from the standpoint of someone who wants to play single player games, I feel the ps3 has the best selection of exclusive single player games. It also has tons of cross platform games, so as long as your not addicted to halo, I don’t think you’ll miss out on too much from the 360. I definitely play my ps3 more than my 360 and usually buy cross platformers for it. Judging from the quality of killzone 2, infamous, uncharted, uncharted 2, MGS4, and several others, I think the ps3 gets some amazing single player games! I’m not a ps3 fanboy! I love my 360, but honestly in the end I’d choose the ps3 every time if I had to choose.
Best luck choosing man!
P.S. If you want to watch movies, don’t even try on the 360, you’d be better off on the ps2! Its very loud!
I think it’s funny that you (and a few others) mentioned that their 360 was loud when loading games and DVD’s. I honestly have to disagree with that. My 360 is very quiet when loading games or movies and my brother had a PS2 and it always seemed louder using that than my 360.
Also, to those PS3 fanboys who always use the 360′s RROD as a scapegoat to saying the PS3 is better, the RROD only happen to owners who either 1.)Have one of the first 360 consoles, or 2.)don’t take care of it. But in some case’s that isn’t even enough. At a party I went to about a few months after the 360 released, my friend brought his 360 (he bought his the night it released) to the party and had set it up on shag carpet. We sat there and played Halo 2 and Halo 3 on LAN all night. He still has that same console and has yet to send it in. May be he was just lucky, I don’t know. What I do know is that I’ve only had to send mine in once and that was because I accidentally kicked it off of the stool it was sitting on. Picked it up, kept playing for about three hours before it finally gave me the 3 RROD, which didn’t bother me because I sent it in, had it fixed free of charge, and got it back a week later.
I noticed some complaining about backwards compatibility with the 360. One even complained about his original Halo. I have 3 Halo discs and each work perfect with my 360. Actually all my original Xbox games work perfect. The only con is I can’t use the Xbox guide while using the original games. But that’s minor.
Just some thoughts of mine on this whole matter.
Alright, Sean. Here’s how this works. You’re a fanboy. Now, yes, the PS2 is loud. But
I’m talking about the PS3, which is so quiet, you can only hear it once it has been left on
for about two days (which I’ve done before). My Xbox 360 Elite is so loud it sounds like
a fighter jet has just landed in my living room. The PS3 also has way more processing
power than the Xbox but no one has ever used all of it. The most graphic heavy game
on the PS3 (Uncharted 2) uses approximately 50% of the PS3′s power AT MOST. Now,
my version of the PS3 is the Motorstorm Limited Edition, which is backwards compatible
and can play up to ninety-nine percent of all PlayStation games ever made. That’s around
a thousand games. And, RROD is not a contained issue as you seem to believe. Approximately fifty-three percent of the Xboxes ever made have failed. That’s a pretty
big number. And guess what? Only the first generation of PS3s had failure issues. SONY FIXED IT. Now, I will admit that the 360 does a lot of things well, but you are wrong when you say the PS3 is louder than the 360. Also, I’ve had my PS3 for about two years now, and I have barely had any days where it was off. Maybe your 360 is quiet. If so, you got lucky. Finally, Sony didn’t make Vista.
I believe he was referring to the PS at the end of TimeWaster’s post which is the one he directly replied to rather than one of your specific posts. But I agree, my PS2s make more noise than my 360 and that’s both my chipped PS2 and my stock PS2.
Though I’ve never had an earlier model elite, I thought one of the advantages listed for them was running quieter than a pro unit? I’ve mentioned before that my own makes around the same amount of noise as my PS3. I can hear them both with the sound off, but turn a game or something on and the noise just goes.
I find it highly amusing you call the guy a fanboy when you’re using the outdated typical ‘OMG 360 IS JET FITER ENGENE LOUDZ’ argument that originally applied to launch 360s which were indeed by all accounts, quite loud.
Neither of my PS3s is a special edition (though the original launch model is indeed quite special) and they’ve both been able to play 100% of the PSX games I’ve tried (no real achievement considering I sold most non-rpgs) with minimal problems. But one thing I should note is that I’ve heard that the Motorstorm limited edition only has PS2 emulation meaning it’s PS2 compatibility is fudge and quite far from 99%.
He also made a damn good point about Halo. Just like all the other Xbox originals you can buy on XBL, it seems to play quite well and I’ve had no issues with it. Non XBL-available xbox originals on the other hand can have some annoying problems and it can be a pain to discuss them as I’ve heard some problems are limited to a region’s version of the game. For example, that annoying cinematics bug I get at the beginning of Conker Live and Reloaded doesn’t seem to have effected a buddy of mine from the US.
Don’t rely on the xbox 360 for backwards compatibility as I believe it uses emulation which is never a 100% perfect, for example I have Panzer Dragoon Orta, a original uk pal xbox game and it always crashes on the third stage on the 360, so is uncompletabe. Even the games that play ok still have sound hiccups or graphical errors so my advice is if you like your original xbox games stick to what they were made for.
As for which console to get, I have both consoles but prefer PS3 but I realy can’t see anyone being disappointed with either. The only other thing that could help you decide is what exclusives for each console you prefer, or maybe you could finish the games you have and buy one or both when their cheeper,
Aye, not many games other than the xbox originals that you can download seem to work all that well. There’s a few, but it’s as hit and miss as PS2 emulation support on older PS3s was.
One major negative I have noticed is that some games won’t work with a specific cable/display. You just get an error stating something about cables or screen resolution or something. And then, games that do work on higher res displays can make a beautiful game look like a person’s nightmare like for example, a personal favourite of mine, Dreamfall.
@ George
My advice is to look for the exclusives you wish to play, but if you plan on avoiding online features entirely, also look up any bug complaints some people have with unpatched games. Unfortunately these days many developers rush their games out and there’s often patches your console would automatically download if connected to the internet.
My other advice is if you like your PS2 games enough to look into grabbing an original PS3 with the PS2′s emotion engine as it seems to play the vast majority of PS2 games. You may have to get one second hand, but they have several features cut from later models. If you like any of your original xbox games enough, check if they’re on the 360′s compatibility list found on xbox.com, and if there are any you couldn’t live without, do a seperate search elsewhere to make sure those are completeable.
There’s a good chance that whichever console you end up choosing, you’ll be able to keep and play some of your old favourites, so long as you pick the right model in the PS3′s case.
@ George
Well I thought that you wanted to keep the games only sell the console!! The 360′s backwards compataibility is poor, I have Morrowind, Halo and Half-Life 2 and neither of them run properly all of them glitch like mad or the framerate is awful, Halo works okay on one player but two player is a nightmare. My friend wants me to play Knights of The Old Republic 1 and 2 and neither of them emulate properly. Microsoft say all these games work but thats like saying a car is still a car without wheels it just won’t work!! lol. Yes I do favour the ps3 it will be around for longer and what comes as optional extras on the 360 is standard on the ps3. It is definitely better value for money, plus if you could pick up a used 60GB ps3 off of ebay you’ll have backwards compatibility for your ps2 games, plus its not emulated either it uses the emotion engine like the ps2, I was lucky enough to have got one of these!! and I can tell you 90% of my 35 ps2 games work without a problem!! and every firmware update adds new games!! I own both consoles so I can tell you that the ps3 is better but!! not that much better that you shouldn’t consider the 360, look at the exclusives list for each and see what you prefer!! I’m sorry to say you are missing out on some fantastic games. Fallout 3, Oblivion(hahahaha I like Bethesda) Metal Gear Solid 4(ps3 exclusive), Mass Effect(Xbox exclusive), Little Big Planet(ps3 exclusive), Halo 3(xbox exclusive), and there is more both consoles have some great games!! I hope this helps you make an informed decision.
I agree with everything you said in your articles. I have all three next gen consoles and they all have their pros and cons, but you put them exactly in their place. I play my xbox more for this reason and this reason only. All my friends have one and the online experience is better. If PS3 let you party chat, had games like gears and halo..and my friends had one i would not even own an xbox, actually I would probably burn it. I have Modern 2 for my xbox, however, I have played it on my ps3 and they are very similar, except if I am playing without friends I would rather play on my PS3 and im not a playstation fanboy. I did not own a PS2 I had an XBox. The ps3 in my opinion is just a nicer more rounded system. I have a 7.2 Klipsch surround and a 46 lcd sony bravia and nothing is better than playing a blueray game in 7.2 or watching a Blue ray movie in 7.2 and feeling like your in a movie theatre. In my opinion the xbox just is kind of generic, but the online kicks ass. Again I think you should buy whatever your friends have already bought. THat is when you have the most fun. I love staying up and playing COD on my xbox with 9 friends from college and high school in Ground War
@Silver…., Thanks for your input. I don’t think you’re a fanboy, as you have both systems, and simply prefer 1 over the other. To me fanboyism is when people only have 1 or the other and without even trying the other for some time or at all they bash the 1 they don’t have. I admire your knowledge and you’ve obviously taken the time to do your homework. Thanks for sharing with all of us here.
@George…., Don’t take my previous post to heart, as I seriously doubt that I will get rid of my PS3 and XBOX360. I simply just miss my XBOX and many games for it, so I will probably get another along with those oldie but goodie games. As for advice, you can re-read my previous post where I stated my reasons for hating both new generation consoles, but I will tell you that before you sell 1 or both of your consoles that you try both new ones, first. You must know someone that has 1 or the other or both, and see which one you like most, especially since you only want 1 console. Also check out all the games available for both, as both consoles have some great exclusives. However, since you have games that you haven’t finished and some that you have yet even tried, I would at least play those games before you decide to sell 1 or both your current consoles. Simply put, haste makes waste, so don’t rush to get a new generation console, and finish enjoying the 2 you have now. Good Luck!
Happy Holidays to All.
A lot has changed since you wrote this, you should update it. Prices for the PS3 are better, DLC’s that xbox had exclusively are now on ps3. (fallout 3). And a lot of better games have come out, you should really update it. PS3 has improved a ton. From inviting people to games, XMB design’s. Bundles, and a lot of other things. But other than needing an update, this article is great. You gave both consoles a chance, and considered just about every aspect of them.
Cheers
-Ryan
I am gone 3 days and you all post like mad men!!!! : )
The choice of a console can be simplified when looking at backwards compatability if you know a 360 user. (for all the posts about getting a new console) Take the current original Xbox games you have and test them on someone else’s console (if they don’t mind) and play them enough to be sure they work well enough for you. That will make it easier to toss the old Xbox and keep the PS2. In my experience with the PS3 (I have the MGS4 bundle), my backwards compatibility has never given me a problem. I find it to be strange and think maybe region specific problems may have occured on that particular problem. I have only a few PS2 games as I actually never bought a PS2. I have a variety no less and all is well. If you can get an older version of a compatible (yes the fat one) console, it may be a choice to get rid of the PS2. I cannot see a perfect solution as you cannot play cross platforms PS on XBOX or vice versa.
Thanks for the compliments. It is nice to see someone will get help from all these posts.
I only own the PS3. I have lots of friends with XBOX 360, so I am not going to comment on what is better. I have over 170 PS2 games and 50 PS3 games, and I have to use an old PS2 system for many of my faves, I have the PS3 80GB Software Emulation and generally it is great but 32 of the 170+ games are really not playable including some of my faves like Socom II and Scarface: The World Is Yours and all but one of the Hitman games. My philosophy to cut costs was to pick a single system. I spent all of my money on games and not consoles. I never owned a PS(one) but have maybe 40 PS (one) games and only most (not all, in fact most of the Final Fantasy PS one titles have problems on PS3) play ok on PS3, so, I can tell you, there is NO perfect solution. I do not know how XBOX 360 treats its customers, but I have noticed that Sony is supporting the PS3 adequately, although they seem to have stopped supporting PS3/PS2 backwards compatibility. Gran Turismo 4 plays fantastic on the PS2 using 1080i resolution and looks like crap on the PS3. The PS3 does not support the 1080i res output mode, it looks like, so I have to play GT4 on PS2. No biggie. My point is that you still can’t do without a PS2 if you want to be able to play all of your games error free and in great resolution. The PS2 also has **almost** no problem with PS One games. So if you are a nostalgic player that wants to go all the way back to titles like Dark Forces for PSOne or Rebel Assault II [I know, the PC versions were far superior] on your PS (1,2,3) tree then you must have a PS2. No way around it. Only from what I have read, not personal experience, the text seems to indicate that as of Deceber 2009 PS3 seems to pull off backward compatibility a little better (obviously I am only referring to the 20, 60 and 80 GB systems, not the newer ones or the old 40GB) than the XBOX 360, BUT you had to pay for it. As of now I would keep the PS2 if you ever want to go back, otherwise you might as well sell your PS2 and the games.
I have GT4 and it looks great on my PS3. I am curious if we are using different region code systems. I do not do the upscaling and I do not use the smoothing feature. They both seem to make all things look worse to me. Just wanted to know what the differences were.
I wish to thank everyone for their opinions and advices. I think all of you have made great points and are are very valid, but Junior’s advice seems to be the one that applies most to me. I mean, face it, I have two consoles already and have yet to fully complete many games and quite a lot that I bought and haven’t even tried yet. So getting a new console now would only make matters worse in my ever enjoying those games, and since I would need to sell at least one of my consoles in order to get a new one would be a big waste and loss. Besides, I was leaning more towards keeping my Xbox and getting a PS3, but I went to Game Stop today and found out the PS3 doesn’t have an Action Replay to get game saves from GameFaqs, and from what I was told it is a big pain in the rear to get game saves onto the PS3, is this correct? Another thing this man, Junior, seems to be right about is that you buy some games and then need to go online for patches and so on. I have a cable modem through ComCast, but it’s on the other end of my bedroom, so having to constantly take the PS3 or Xbox 360 to where my pc is to download patches, updates, and so on would become very tedious and frustrating for me. Sounds more like pc gaming to me, than video game console gaming, which I’m not crazy about. If I’m misinformed on any of this I would appreciate any of you telling me it’s false. I’m kind of heart broken because I really wanted a new system for Christmas because of many games I see advertised that make me want to play them and I’m missing out, but I have very little patience and get frustrated easily, so I would hate to have a new system and then kick myself in the butt for having gotten one. The other factor that I looked into was that games I really like, i.e.: for racing games, I’m a fan of the Need for Speed series, mainly the Underground ones, over Forza and Gran Turismo, and from several reviewers they don’t have very good things to say about the newer Need for Speed series games. I also like the Metal Gear Solid series, (love Snake), and the Socom series, but I happen to like the Splinter Cell series and Ghost Recon series more, and even though it’s progressively gone downhill, I’m a Madden fan and according to the boards at GameFaqs Madden 2010, with the exception of graphics, is better on the PS2 than on the PS3 and Xbox 360. Anyone here know if these are facts? I fear like Junior stated and Silver agreed to some degree that I might also not like the direction where gaming has gone and is heading, because of developers slacking and relying on that you can later get patches, updates, expansions, etc…, as once again, this sounds more like pc gaming. Before I make a final decision, do I need to always have one of the new systems connected to the internet? If not, about how often to you need to connect for updates? Please let me know, as only a few days before Christmas, and my folks are giving me 200 dollars, and I was hoping to sell or trade in at least one of my consoles, probably my PS2, to get a new system. Thanks in advance.
First thing that comes to mind is that you can do wireless on both consoles. With the PS3 you have only a need for a wireless router, the 360 will need both a router and a wireless add-on. The routers in the US usually run around $50-80. The wireless throughput is slower than a hard wire connection but thanks to the fact that most companies never serve beyond the limits you don’t usually suffer. Your ISP will play a larger role. If Comcast has it, you may be able to get a wireless capable combo router/modem. You may already have one. If you are not sure give them a buzz.
The game save data from game faqs is something I have done on PS1 and PS2 games. I have never tried PS3. It worked on them so I would guess it will work on the PS3 save files. The updates on the PS3 are frequent but mostly not a necessity. Most games however do seem to update right off the bat. I have had only a few that have not asked to update. Yes the new world of gaming is being more DLC oriented. It is costing far more money to develop and market these games and there for require additional sources of income for publishers and developers to survive. It costs less to create new levels on the original engine than to create a new game from the ground up. Even with a prefab engine to start a new game you must find your limits for the game to set benchmarks as to prevent over populating tasks and resources. DLC will have the advantage of knowing these limits allowing more focus on content. The devs being lazy is more to the point of bad coding in general. This is more often a porting concern. PS3 in the early years has had a poor showing due to the lack of code that actually used the design properly. The developer would have to either come up with a completely new engine or just cheap out the game. Most chose the later and made the PS3 cross plats choke. The concern shouldn’t be so much about this as the newer engines are getting better and games are not suffering as badly. The CryEngine 3 looks to be a great tool (barring the price tag to use it does not scare the community off) and should even the playing field in regards to the visual and input responsiveness is concerned.
Also, online gaming is improving on both consoles as well. I believe the regional coverage for both server systems is shrinking (meaning they are eliminating the amount of people per server) and that will make things improve with time. As I have said in the past, all the plus factors on Live can be duplicated on the PSN if Sony is willing to put the cash into it. It is just software and servers. The console itself has nothing to do with the difference. I just do not think the Live experience would be worth the cost for Sony unless they start charging users. They like the “free” tag and it has had decent success given the competition.
I will note that some updates on the games are rather large. The PS3 updates seem to be about the same size as the update is actually a whole new OS everytime. It is usually around 130-150 MB when I see it. If I were to guess, you could get by with using a USB flash or HDD to do these. Download to your PC and then copy it to the storage media and stick it in and select the System update. It guides you rather easily through the steps. The installs for the most part do not have to be done. They actually post info on the PS3 section of the site that tells what is going on and you can decide if you even need it. Games, however, would be a different story. The size of some of these files are nothing more than 30-50 MB, other times they can be obnoxiously large and with a internet connection going take around 20 minutes to download and install in about the same amount of time. Granted, I have only 1.5 mbps ISP. This translates into 183 kilobytes of data per second for those whom do not know. With a 2GB “this is a rather large example” it would take 11,460 seconds or 191 minutes to download. That is rather long, for most people you get serve limits. You might have a download threshold of 50 mbits/sec, but this does not matter if the server is limited to uploads of a certain (usually lower) amount. A ton of servers actually use the 1.5 mbit threshold.
To clarify the unknown for some readers:
Binary rules ; Binary is called 2^10 (meaning everything is 1 or 0 so 2 options to the 10th power is how you scale the data. If you take 2 times itself 10 times you get 1024.
8 bits = 1 byte, 1024 bytes = 1 megabyte, 1024 megabytes = 1 Gigabyte, 1024 GB = 1 Terabyte.
Metric rules ; Metric is called 10^2 (everything is based on 10 only 8 bits equal 1 byte still)
1000 bytes = 1 Mb, 1000 mb = 1 Gb, 1000 Gb = 1 Tb.
This has been a problem in the past for many people I know as they believe they are getting the shaft from their ISP or that the HDD is not as big as they said it was. Most HDD have the metric measure and the operating system uses binary. So the 320 GB HDD you bought is actually 298 GB to the OS. You did not lose anything, nor did the system not see it. It is just the difference in measure methods. I had seen that on Newegg and thought it may occur so often that I posted on one of the reveiws that people were discrediting good product for not giving what they said. People with no exposure to this stuff will find themselves being misled and it can be rather aggrevating. Now ISP’s do the same. The use the term Mbps as does the data storage industy. The difference is that data storage ratings is Megabytes per second where the ISP is Megabits per second. As the above info shows, this is a major difference. That is why when you download you see these lower speeds on the screen in the low megabyte range or in the kbyte range. Luckly the storage industry uses a capital “B” in the abbreviation to show the difference.
I hope all this helps someone out there get a grasp on something new. Learing this stuff can seem pointless until you are shopping for just this kind of stuff and then you will know what to do to calculate your needs as you shop for the right product. Best of luck to you George and I hope you make the choice to join the HD realm. There are some frustrations and you will get mad at times. Just remember that there are great things in the future and presently. I had some issues with just the selection of games when I purchased the PS3. I looked at the 360 and PS3 and saw too much replication of genre or lack all together. It was a driving factor in me buying the PS3 in some ways. I knew at worst, I had just paid a fortune for a mp3/Blu-Ray player. But as the first moment I played MGS4, I couldn’t beleive my eyes or my hands. This game really did bring me up to the new elements of the games. I really do not like shooter games much and strangely enough I have a few already. They put something in each one that I just love and it made it easier to play. Oblivion at first was a pain in the tail-end, as I was used to the Final Fantasies of the world. Oblivion seemed like hack and slash with ridiculous amounts of button combos to get menu options and switch magics and so on. After I made myself play it, I fell into the motto: “Live another life, in another world”. I played well over 200 hours on my first character without even getting all the quests done and I was just hell bent on creating a new character to do it another way. It really was something to behold. You truly can free-rome this game. I know if you put your nose to the grindstone you can do it all in like 70 hours. I just liked creation and leveling. I also like how the game grows with you in some aspects. The time effect and weather are good as well. If you like RPG, and are willing to tough out a learning curve for controls, this game is a must on either 360 or PS3. The new GOTY edition is loaded down with 2 expansions for free and they are big ones. Bethesda had set the new standard. The next game they made was Fallout 3. I have not played it but have heard wonderous things. It is the most popular RPG this generation by sales figures. It is smaller than Oblivion, but with guns and a more modern theme. It is not you typical shooter, so strap yourself in if you get it, it may be a bit of a bumpy ride learning these games. Once you do, you can really appreciate the efforts of the developers on these games. Neither are the ultimate graphic games, but they are stunning none the less, considering its open world makes it all the more amazing.
Now I am done I swear it. : )
You do not have to have either connected to the internet at all times, but there will possibly be some functionality lost to you while your console is offline, even if only the ability to download patches and play multiplayer. If you can connect via a router, I’d personally recommend that the most even if you do just play singleplayer games. In some cases the lost functionality is as bad as some addons you may have gotten as preorder bonuses not functioning (as I’ve heard happens with Dragon Age when playing offline).
As far as staying offline and connecting occasionally would go, both consoles seem to only get updates after you insert the disc meaning you’d have to know there was an update available for it to work. It’d be a viable option for patches that fix game killing bugs which are at times heavily mentioned online, but you mightn’t hear of the smaller patches which still fix the smaller bugs which can in some cases be near as annoying.
can you do 1 for 3 years later plz
First off, I wanna thank all of you for helping me. After reading all of you guy’s opinions and advice, and doing my own homework I have come to the conclusion that I’m not ready for either one of these two new generation systems, and perhaps never will be. Please correct me if I’m wrong, because here are my biggest reasons: First of all, Comcast will charge me 5 bucks a month for a router, which I find it unfair since I’m a single player, just to get updates, patches, and so forth. There are quite a few new games for both new systems that I think I would love to play, but is it worth selling my Xbox and/or PS2 for dirt cheap just to be able to afford one of these two new systems? Especially since I hung on to my original PS too long before getting my Xbox and then my PS2 slim, and not very wisely went bonkers buying lots of games for both, where I have yet to finish many games and some games have yet to even try out. Just to name a few, I have yet to finish God of War 2, Socom 3, Metal Gear Solid 3, Gran Turismo 4, and ICO. That’s just a few for the PS2. For my Xbox the list os even larger, but I will mention just a few. I have yet to finish Halo 2, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike, Ninja Gaiden Black, which is the one that I have been stuck on for months now, Need for Speed Most Wanted, GTA Vice City, and Fable The Lost Chapters, and here are some I’ve yet to even try: Jade Empire, Morrowind, Dark Alliance, Star Wars Old Republic, Star Wars Republic Commando, Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30, Prince of Persia Warrior Within, Prince of Persia The Two Thrones, Scarface, The Godfather, Far Cry Instincts, Dream Fall, Syberia, and Doom 3. Trust me, there are more but I only mentioned the ones off the top of my head. Now, I don’t know about you guys, but I’m not that great of a gamer, so for me that’s LOTS of game time left, do any of you agree? There are also some games that I would really hate to part with, and since backwards compatibility isn’t very good on the Xbox 360, as someone here stated, and for the PS3 I would need an older unit that is backward compatible with PS2 games, like the PS3 60, and after checking on ebay and Amazon, these systems cost way more than the newer models, which I certainly can’t afford. Do you guys see what I mean? Do you agree or disagree? And, as I stated from the beginning, I really only want one system, as look at the mess I’m in now by having two consoles and having waited too long to get both, then going nuts buying all these games. I also wanna say that I agree with this man, Junior, in his posts, because even though I’m much younger, I think gaming is headed more towards online gaming, with co-op, multiplayer, etc…, and have forgotten that there are still single players out there, which is unfair. It should be an option to go online, not a MUST! I’m very sad because I had such high hopes of getting a new system for Christmas, so I could play games like Dead Space, Assasin’s Creed 1 & 2, Killzone 2, and others :((
This is not a knock on the XBOX nor the 360.
I played Morrowind for the first time on the 360 and I have to say for the time it was made it looks great. Problem for me was that it was not going to wow me after IV at 720p. It is supposed to be really great but I will probably never get to experience it for my already high expectations for Bethesda games. I know this makes me a real pain in the A**! I cannot take the fall back. Oh well, V is on the way and I am so pumped up about it.
@_@ Morrowind works via BC now?
Maybe I should freshen up on the list of BC titles…
What you should be looking at though Zindikar, is the varied scenery and what lies under the hood. A lot of diehard Morrowind fans were disappointed with Oblivion as it doesn’t seem to have as much variation in scenery and such, even if most including myself agreed that Oblivion is a great game, especially graphics-wise.
I’ve been meaning to replay Morrowind on PC as I’ve heard there are some fan made hi res texture packs and the like now available.
Although I’m writing this about a year after the article was posted, so there are a few things i can say some things that the author didn’t know about. As of now, I’m waiting till Chirstmas to get my 360, but i already own a PS3 (and a Wii, but it doesn’t really count, does it?). I have played on my friends’ 360s and so I believe I can safely compare them. I don’t know about this stuff about the PS3′s online service being so bad because I’ve had more lags and glitches on XBL than on PSN. My PS3′s games, controllers, and accessories have never failed on me. Also, I got and tested my 360 elite and it’s so incredibly loud. I turned it on and could hear in another room. If anyone knows about this, please tell me. After I’ve had a few days with my 360, I’ll comment again and make my comparison: a dedicated gamer’s review, not a game developer’s.
“It’s not that I’m dedicated to one system or another, it’s that I’m dedicated to gaming and I will use whicherver console allows me best to experience that.” Andy McNamara, Game Informer. Or… something like that.
I don’t think too many people are saying there is lag on PSN. It seems people just want more stuff on it. The price you pay for XBL is the difference in content more or less. As for the noise level of your 360, you have what I would call an after thought. To appreciably keep the console small, MS had to use fans that could move more air in a smaller size. That means faster spinning speeds to get the boast in flow. That creates some noise as does the optical drive and the HDD. The PS3 is not immune to noise, it does however make less of it. I hear that disc spinning up on mine. It usually is at start-up though. The cooling fan on my PS3 is getting increasingly louder with the newer games as they push the chips harder (they are actually starting to use things they did not before….so more heat). I can not complain though, as this is not as loud as my PC which is quiet compared to most gaming rigs I have seen. I put more thought into the cooling dynamics than many of my friends with home assembled PC’s and I can run with them performance wise without the heat and noise. No liquid cooling needed, you just have to make the fans work together to eliminate wasted energy. This is why the PS3 is so much quieter than the 360. They took the time to think it through and made everything work together for a more efficient and therefor more aesthetically pleasing system. I am sure you can still enjoy gaming by just turning up the volume a little more.
Hey, I was just curious about how you constructed, or configured, your PC system………to avoid the usual heat problems. I am about to start building a new gaming tower………..and, It would be nice to have some knowledgeable input……………so I can avoid purchasing unnecessary cooling gadgets, etc
Thanks
Maybe you could recommend several motherboards and graphics cards………..as long as they are not too outrageously expensive!!! Could you detail what you have built into your system??
It would depend on the amount of money you call expensive and what you are after. When it comes to pc building I have found that you cannot stay bleeding edge at any price point. The good news is most games do not support the bleeding edge anyway. So if you budget small upgrades on a timely basis, you can manage to get excellent performance through the pc lifecycle. Keep in mind that the architecture of motherboards are something of an uncertainty. Today, I would suggest an Intel based system with the Core i7 or i5 processor built around a X-fire GPU setup. ATI gpu’s that support the new DX 11 which is not yet supported but will be shortly. This is just one of the cards I would look at. The HD 5770. I will have to go right now but I will post again with more info. : )
Well, I am trying to keep the cost of both, the MB and the GPU, around $200 max. Which HDD’s do you prefer?? What tower case would you recommend?? Sorry for all the Questions……..it’s nice to chat with someone who knows his sh**.
If you mean $200 total you will be disappointed unless you are looking at running at lower resolutions. I have a rule of thumb on GPU Monitor combinations. If your monitor is a 19″ or smaller 1680 x 1050 is as good as you need. The good news is that this resolution is easily ran by over half of the GPU’s out there and having 512 mb of memory (on the GPU)is not a problem. If you seek larger screens or a 1080P television connection you should look for a higher end gpu. Also, people tend to think that bigger is better. If you have a 70″ TV in a 12′ x 12′ room, the picture will typically look grainy. Think of the pixels and how they have to be sized and spaced to make a television that size. A 40″ 1080p has the same amount of pixels as the 70″ 1080p TV. So it stands to reason that the image up close will loose its fine edge detail and become more coarse. The further away the more bleeding of the pixels so to speak. Same for monitors and you can see that info on the specs under pitch (pixel pitch and dot pitch). The smaller the number the better the density.
HDD’s are really not all that much different. The reliabilty is going to be hit and miss. I have had the same 6 HDD in my PC for 3 years and have had not trouble. I have identical Western Digital 160 GB HDDs. They are relatively cheap and perform well. If you are doing high data streaming then I would say go with Raptor drives. They are not cheap though and provide only small benefits to gamers. Raid setups are the best but off MB cards are the only ones that truly perform well. Thats expensive as well. I recomment WD and Seagate for the general usage and gaming. Size depends solely on you.
I will put some configs together on paper and post them for you to see later.
Well here is 3 configs with all the parts needed less the OS and keyboard, monitor, and speakers.
Intel E6300 CPU, Asus P5Q Pro MB, Crucial 2 x 2GB 1066 RAM, ASUS 5750 1 GB GPU, WD 640 GB HDD, LiteOn DVD burner combo drive, Rosewill Sata II 18″ cables, Antec 650 watt PSU, Cooler Master Mid-Tower case, and 2 x Cooler Master 120mm fans totaling $691.76 on NewEgg.com
All the same except sub MB, and CPU with a DFI DK790FXB-M3H5 motherboard and a AMD Phenom II x3 720 totals $730.76
All the same except sub MB, GPU, and CPU with a MSI P55M-GD45 motherboard, HIS 5770 1GB GPU, and Intel i7 860 totaling $903.76
It is possible to go cheaper but I would recommend saving up and getting something you know will both last and keep you happy. I do warn you if you have no experience building to read all the manuals on installation and be patient when assembling these. Keep static away by grounding yourself and never touch any of the contacts on any part. The CPU can be a real pain for some people to install. Intel setups are so tight that you think you are going to break the MB when installing. I must assure you that the experience is well worth it as it keeps you out of the proprietary market which means maintenance is cheaper. The downside is that you must be willing to put up with nasty tech support or forums to get answers to problems. Note that all the items listed are not always compatible. I suggest that you order the MB first and read up on approved Memory as it is often the biggest headache. I cannot tell you which ones will certainly work as I do not have that information. All these builds assume that newegg has posted correct data. I also would tell you that regardless of my experience with these brands, you could have a bad one. These things happen. Not every part will work when you get them sometimes. RMA and be patient. If the problem persists with a brand, it may not be compatible with something. Ask people with the same equipment (start with the Motherboard) and work your way back. The versions of hardware and operating systems also change things. I was fortunate to have no failures on any of my last build and had a rather seemless assembly and install of Windows.
Good Luck and ask questions if you are unsure. I will gladly advise as best I can. It would help to know what kind of gaming or work you are looking at doing to guide my build ideas better. Gaming machines are never the cheapest. I have shown you relatively powerful and affordable gaming rigs. The reason they are not cheaper is that I assumed that you would want both future proofing (Direct X 11 GPU’s and X-Fire Motherboard) and performance with the 1066 mhz memory speed. These things can be scaled back for more savings. The downside would be the lack of support for future shader modules that will be coming on the next generation of games. If this is not a real concern to you, you should scale it back. X-fire or Sli MB can still be use and you can always add a second card to beef the beast up. Well thats all I can really advise without further input from you. Good Luck and Happy New Year to all of you reading this.
I have a system around the 9800 GT card that comes with an Athlon II x3 and 4 gigs of 1066 memory for a low price of $560. Thats got all the fixings short of keyboard, mouse, speakers, and monitor. The 9800 GT can run Left For Dead at 56 frames with max settings, 4x AA and 8x AF on 1680 x 1050 resolution. Not too shabby on a sub $600 dollar box.
As for the cooling, it is all stock. The case I chose is the Cooler Master Elite 330. If you set it up right you can pull air right over the GPU and out the back and the CPU has its own vent that forces the cooler air right over the stock sink. Great match for he money.
Hey, thanks for all the info……………..it really helps with looking at some of the different options …………….that one could entertain. In my earlier post, I had mentioned trying to keep the cost on the MoBo and the GPU below the $200 mark…………I actually meant $200 for each…..the MoBo, and the GPU…….sorry for the confusion!! The fan configuration ideas, are also helpful……….and they confirm what I had been suspecting for some time………….that all the fancy cooling stuff, may not be necessary……….with the right layout. You assumed correctly, that I want ” both future proofing (Direct X 11 GPU’s and X-Fire Motherboard) and performance with the 1066 mhz memory speed.”
I will definitely keep you posted with how my build progresses………….and let you know what components I settle on. Thanks again for all the helpful input…………and Happy New year to you and yours!!
Not a problem, glad to help. The bad news is that only ATI is supporting DX 11 in their architecture and the price for the cheapest DX 11 GPU is 139.99 USD. So if you target 200 that leaves you with no real motherboard options.
ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard is a 59.99 that a buyer has stated will support 2 ATi cards in Crossfire with a mild hit in performance. With a 5750 you can hit the $205 spot. I have no experience with ASRock so it would be interesting to see what happens with them.
Oh yeah…………….I was going to ask…………….what would be the minimum wattage power supply………..that you would mate with the systems that you recommended ………..I know that you detailed a 650w in the recommended build.
Short of the outrageous, a 650 watt PSU will run 2 graphics cards as long as it has the connections. (If it doesn’t, there are adapters with most cards. I would guess that most PSU’s will have the PCI-E connectors.) I like to base the standard as being 300 watts base and 175 watts for each graphics card. That is not a standard as some cards do not need that much and others need more. I think if you have 4 cards that it is wise to do 1000 watts and 850 watts for 3. It is better to have headroom than it is to max out the rails on the power supply. Also, if you are wanting a cooler and/or less noisy system, watch the efficiency ratings. The more efficient the PSU is, the less heat and (barring poor engineering in the cooling design) a quieter system. I particularly like the bottom mount intake fan over the back mount fan. It not only cools the PSU but it also pulls case heat out all with a larger fan that doesn’t need to spin as fast. With the fan being internal to the case, you get some sound dampening.
Thank you and you are welcome. If I can help just let me know.
Have you tried a custom case Zindikar?
It kills your warrenty but can make both the 360 and PS3 quieter then they already are.
I’ve only been looking into cases recently, but my fave thus far is a refrigerated unit that houses both the internals of my 360 and PS3. Really, really conveniant. Only thing I’d prefer is one designed to hold the two of them plus a wii, but I haven’t found anything decent yet along those lines.
If anyone else has, hit me with the details!
I would be very grateful…
Can’t say that I have. I suppose if I wanted to I could build one. If you have access to a shop that makes industrial duct work, they would have the right tools to fold the steel or aluminum and cut it. I have just that kind of place 20 minutes away. You pay alot for that case?
Admittedly more than I like to spend on a case.
If it is easy to manufacture such a case, perhaps that would be a good way to make some money on the side, as the competition for multi-console cases doesn’t seem too intense right now…
They’re scarily conveniant. I haven’t touched my unattached PS3 since I finished inserting the innards of my ‘PS360′.
I am a major fanboy! What should I do? I just love my Doodle and Sketch. It has 10,800P and 5 GB RAM and a Octo-Core i7 that is clocked at 55 Thz and has a 30 GB video card with 7 million shaders and can mow the yard and cook and do all the other BS chores. It is so much better than the Sketch Me 5000. That thing only runs at 40 Thz and has a 20 GB video card. So what should I do to stop the hatin’ game?
Note to self: Look for amazing Doodle and Sketch device next time shopping.
I suggest the Special Edition, it comes with 14 games and 10 nuclear powered controllers. It costs just $14 million and comes with a 3 year warranty (excludes the controllers). The system does come with radiation protection and nuclear waste disposal. The system runs a new version of Crysis at 240 frames/second at full double HD resolutions. Prepare to be amazed, it is a 300 pound box. Good luck finding one! : )
Do the games include Hello Kitty Island Adventure and the new Battletoads Wii Edition port? If so, it’s a steal at that price!
And is it true you can not only choose the colour of your error screens but also the specific shade, contrast, transparency, font, screen resolution and frame rate of them?
one thing good about the new jasper chipset (12.1A), well, new for the elite, at least is that it is noticeably quieter than other models, but the 120GB hard drive lets you install many xbox 360 games to thye hard drive and it runs even quieter again. ps3 is still quieter, but those fanboy bitches who still use the tedious ‘Jet fan engine’ excuse, (which was brought up just before) probably couldnt tell the difference if they were blind folded and had to compare the two.
off the record, 99% of ps2 games isnt 1000. i dont know how many games or what the percentage of backwards compatibility success is with the ps3 ( success meaning you can play it) but if it is 99% that is very good, as that would be about 3000 games.
well, at least i think there is that many on the ps2. i alone owned over 200 in my time, and still have most of the bunch, but im sure they have reached 3500 by now.
It’s posted so it’s on the record. : )
You said “This was a touchy subject for many Sony fanboys who read last year’s article. They stated that it wasn’t “fair” to compare the game selection of the 360, which had an extra year’s worth of game releases. My answer to them is, it doesn’t matter which console came out first. These articles are about what is out there RIGHT NOW.”. So I ask why you were pointing out bugs that were featured in the games of ps3 when they were released, when they have been fixed as of now. I own both an xbox and a ps3 (im not spoiled, i work for my money) and i was just reading this for fun. im not trying to take sides.
It’s not the GPU that desides the graphics.. If the game is multiplatform it usually uses the same power on both platforms. You have to look with your eyes on the actual picture and gameplay to see which of them has the best graphics. Just look at the CryEngine 3 comparison. You can clearly see that the amount of details are higher on the Ps3, even when the GPU is better on the X360
And here’s little old me thinking the xbox 360 showed more details and more lighting sources per scene while the PS3 seemed to struggle with framerate in a comparison video?
All in all though, from what I’ve seen they look nearly identical so my nitpicking isn’t that big a deal. But I am very happy about what the CryEngine 3 means for future games on all platforms. Looks like I may have been right about those exclusive PS3 games getting outshined in the not to distant future. Of course, they’ll be outshone by future releases on *both* consoles, but as someone who owns both consoles… Hell yeah!
EDIT: Videos I watched were from early 2009 (Pre April).
If anyone knows any links for any CryEngine 3 comparison videos more current, hit me up.
Well you are partially right. The system sets the limitations for what can be rendered. So if you have a game trying to do too much, you will see the game suffer in framerate issues or pop-ups. This is something programmers must contend with, some do it better than others. I have looked at the data and their are some interesting situations that can arise. In some instances, a programmer can get bottlenecked by the architectures of both GPU’s. If you use something close to the 3:1 ratio of pixel shaders to vertex shaders, the PS3 will have the advantage with the extra 40 ops per cycle it would have to process the pixel information. 24 pixel shaders at 5 ops gives you 120 ops per cycle, 48 on the 360 minus the 8 for the vertex shader and you get 40 pixel shaders at 2 ops giving you 80 ops per cycle. Also remeber that the PS3 can run 50 million cycles more in one second (550>500 million). So actually the 360 should run 9 pipes to the vertex giving 39 to the pixel shader. That would be the ideal formula for the PS3 to “win” in the graphics. No programmer is going to sit and think of a game to do that though so it is just a situation that may arise. Consider how the scenes all change and the impact they have on GPU performance. Can you imagine what would happen if an artist was told he could only use a certain amount of a color on his work? That would be ugly. Keep in mind that the latest games are using the SPE’s to setup the GPU. So the whole formula is thrown out the window.
The more I have read on the GPU’s the more I can see some other RSX issues. The vertex shader in the RSX is inflated statistically and cannot run on par to the same pipes of the Xenos. Foreign language information to my brain will prevent any further understanding of this. Apparently this is one of the major limits the RSX was giving to devs. I understand that the proper engines will use a SPU(s) to do vertex setup and alleviate the problem. So on they go with great looking games.
my 360 dose sound like a jet enging but theres a reson for that i kicked it accross my room my bad lol i have a wii a 360 and a ps3 and i play the 360 more because i prefue xbl and the controllers oh btw the who ever said the xbox controlers are rip ofs of ps ones is a dumbass on the 1st xbox u had the big ass ones they came fom a sega design put a megadrive controller naext to one and look at the buttons 6 buttons on the right a y x b white black 2 trigers on the the underside anolog 2 sticks 1 d pad (2 memcard slots probly taken fron the dreamcast controler) on the xbox controller now look at the sega 6 butons on the right 2 on the under side 1 d pad not much diffrens there is there then look at ur 360 controler oh look the moved white and black to bumpers and made it smaller thank you good bye
loads of games look great on PS3, the exclusives mainly, but having said that i recently got forza 3 for 360 and that looks fantastic. My multiplatform games look the same so i suppose it don’t really matter debating what has better graphics because from where i sit there isn’t much difference (if any)
Any exclusive has the ability of looking fantastic on their console (PS3 or 360). What is usually the gripe is the ports. It has diminished as of late in the ability to see any difference but the utilization of the Cell is still left to be realized by ports. I can see that the making of a reasonable port can get time consuming. To me the 3rd party Devs should think about a joint venture in a set of compilers to clean up the mess. That, of course, is not a likely going to come to fruition. I think at one time or another, IBM offered the Octopiler to aid in cell development. This is either not very useful to the devs or not available anymore.
To me the trick is making a portable game is not making it over the abilities of either console. This may seem like a duh statement, but given the results of the previous ports, gamers must see that it is somewhat of a problem. Often the idea is frame rate and textures. I can see that there will be more problems, as we progress the lifespan of these machines, on capacity and data availability and not so much on the visuals. At one point the DVD will become overbound with data and require more space. What will they do to solve it? More discs? Devs have to pay a fee for each disc of the game and will not want to spend that dollar if they can avoid it. Maybe the next thing is heavier compression and forced installs. That will buy some years at the cost of HDD and time.
The PS3 owners already have to deal with this in some instances. It may be odd to note that the “Graphics King”, Uncharted 2 doesn’t use a whole lot of HDD install space. I am guessing this is due to properly structuring an engine for the hardware. For the PS3, the future is not as certain. If the games continue on the growth rate in terms of features and graphics, it can be assumed that more compression will be needed. I know they use some now, to what degree is unkown. Another issue will be the throughput of the Blu-Ray. I am not sure how they manage to make UC2 without some work around on that. To think that they prefetch data may sound reasonable but where would they store it? The game itself has to be using every bit worth of memory to manage the visuals I would think. I am eager to see the next step that is taken on both machines as they will reveal the new problems and many solutions to the older ones.
I admit that I have more of a fondness of the PS3. It has some mysterious force in that Cell that just makes me want to get into the Dev business myself. I have actually enrolled into some CIT courses to learn some C++ and hopefully I will be able to learn Cg and other tools to help me understand this all better. In better hopes for gaming, I find it increasingly easy to be a critic with a purpose if that purpose is to make better games. Maybe that is why the PS3 had the exclusives they had in 2009, logic took precedence in the PS3 Dev community.
The same cannot be said for the 360 as the Unreal Engine 3 was raped by practically every game they had. UE3 was a great engine in its early stages as it was efficient with the single thread design. It no longer, even with multi-thread optimization, is efficient. Without looking, I would say Forza was not an UE3 game. Not that the racing games are pushing a console hard, UE3 is just not for those types of games. Either way, I agree with you on the whole exclusives library. They are the real seller for either and it typically relies more so with online gameplay usage or the lack of or need of online. I do like the fact that most of the blockbusters can be had on PC if I want them. Most of the good 360 exclusives seem to make their way to PC as well. So a PC and PS3 makes plenty of sense for me. The only game that 360 has that I want is Fable 2. I cannot get any decent RPG’s right now. I had tried to get Sacred 2, but it seems to be nothing more than history. : (
What ended the debate for me was the absurd way microsoft makes their money back from the cheaper console with the accessories. Want a headset? have to get one for the controller.. want wifi? you have to spend 100 bucks on their specific adaper. That alone offsets the cost now. Want HDMI? Buy their specific cable… Want a bigger hard drive? Too bad, you’re stuck with what microsoft offers, for an inflated price.
While some of that is true only for the 360, the headset and HDMI cost you on the PS3 as well. If you have a headset for your Bluetooth phone, it may work on the PS3. It has been said that not all do. Also, I recently came across a way to just replace the HDD of the 360 without buying MS sleds. Not sure if they limit the amount useable in the OS, but if they do not, you can go as big as the PS3 can. Someone may have already done this and could post more info on that subject.
It’s correct and I believe the highest you can do is 250gb which matches the highest official size hdd.
So it’s still a disadvantage for the 360, just not as big a one.
Why buy Microsoft’s wireless adapter when you can use a wireless bridge for half the price?
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0317262
I would like to see if that repeater adds any delay. That may start a problem with lag and/or dropping out of the network all-together. Nice spot though, a cheaper way to wireless most anything, if you don’t mind carrying it around and have an outlet handy. This means the RV can have a desktop DAD! WOW on the road with a bada** GPU and a real big screen out at the local McDonald’s hotspot parking lot…….LOL!
to start off, i am more fond of the xbox 360, but i do play ps3 at home, as my older brother owns one. i know xbox 360 is criticised by not having built in wifi, even though the console was built just before the wifi boom, but i would prefer an ethernet than a wireless adaptor anyday. even the new wireless n adapter fopr the xbox 360 which is supposed to be even better than the ps3′s wireless. my brother uses a 10 metre ethernet for his ps3 rather than the wifi, unless im having an xbox LAN and I need an extra ethernet. i just prefer the faster more clean connection through an ethernet, thats all, not taking any sides here.
So, word has it that cross game chat is coming to the PS3.
Just it’ll only be apart of a premium PSN service.
What does this mean?
Well it means I’ll have cross game chat on both systems and those who want their PSN free still aren’t gonna have the full experience.
I totally knew something like this was gonna happen eventually. =D
I am glad to see the MS machine, aka. money bags, will be hitting the PS3. Now if you want to play while talking to someone on another game you can. It has to be great hearing them bitch out someone on another game and having no idea why. : )
In all seriousness, I still think the pay to play mentality is actually going to diminish the games. I would rather not have DLC and the likes. If you give a publisher the option, they will shred games down to a minimum so they can profit on DLC. It will become a game rape world. Instead of a $60 good game, you will have to spend $90 on the game and $5-$10 a month to play it. At this rate the next gen consoles will have games the require mortgages to play them. Really starting to look like a good game with an actually respectable level of content could run over the $100 mark in the future. I don’t know about all the rest of you but this is getting as bad as major sporting events. The “poor man” is getting left in the dust. Sad really.
Bwahahaha money bags?
Considering you yourself bought an expensive console, I don’t see how you can criticise. If you truly wanted to play free, you’d do it all open source like a few people have been doing. The downside? You won’t be able to play any of the big name games.
As an RPG gamer I *love* DLC. It allows me to keep progressing my character with some new scenery, enemies and whatever else without having to buy another game. Look at Dragon Age for example. Awesome game, albeit a little short BUT we’ve been promised DLC support for quite some time to come so there’ll always be another quest on the horizon. And when they do run out, there’ll probably be a backlog of other decent to great RPGs.
The ‘poor man’ has to decide between not working as much and having to choose between things and working heaps to get whatever he wants. I wasn’t born to wealth and work my ass off at times to get what I want, and though I won’t get to celebrate New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day, at least I’ll be playing some great DLC not long after it. People elsewhere tend to get price screwed anyways, even with things like the basic console costing four times what it would in the US. They’re the true victims and anyone else probably has it better than they know.
I am actually glad Sony has made the move. It gives them all the hyped options of Live and could sweep the “360 is the only one for me” mentality out the door. You mention that DA:O is short, that is my point on DLC exactly. It is like we are buying teasers so that they can shuffle around a new mission set here and there. I have not known one person around where I live to have liked that game. They all think the same thing I do. The story is a decent one but the actual game is drab. It has the worst skill system of any RPG I have played and also lacks any real character creation. The Origins are not that well versed either. It takes all of an hour to see the merge point and the little subtle banter the rest of the game hardly gives you a feel for some kind of heritage. To each their own. I suppose not everyone is looking for the type of game I am. I am hoping that Square made a good RPG or I will be stuck playing ES:IV for another year or two. White Knight might be good, time will tell.
As for the DLC pitch, if you think that buying it for short games improves the game then you cannot truly value your money. I see it as a rip off. I played several games and returned them for refunds when I beat them so fast. I do not think it’s bad for the consumer to expect their cash to get them more than a few hours of entertainment. Might as well be renting movies. I returned Force Unleashed and Uncharted 2 withing 5 days of purchase because I had them beat multiple times. They are good looking games but that is only skin deep to me. Next Gen, you will be buying $80 games and expected to pay monthly fees to be able to download the rest of a game that should have already been in the package. If you think I am wrong look at how the games have changed. Dev costs increase, console costs increase, and IP structure costs increase. They are not going to give it away so you must pay. DLC and online opened the door to a mass raping of our pocket books. I guess I will go the way of Nintendo if they stick with their approach and manage to get HD next round. As for now, I have found a few games that can keep me occupied.
Forgot to mention that the PS3 is also my Blu-Ray player so I did not buy the most expensive console. I bought the only console with Blu-Ray to save on the then high Blu-Ray players.
Personally the only reasons I defend the 360 so vehemently are the game selection, online service and a few of the features like easy guide button friend adding at any time.
DA lacks character customisation? Not that many games offer any more character customisation these days. That seems to have gone with the increase in graphics with only the bethseda titles, Sacred 2 and one or two others being the exception to the rule.
And yes, it’s short, short for an RPG. It still gives many more hours than your typical shooter and if I look at how many hours of enjoyment a DVD will give, a game is still great value. None of the people locally here seem to like it neither, but that’s because they’re of the shooter and fighting games crowd. I go online and most communities I’m with have given it GOTY nominations. So it has to be doing something right. And origin/gender choices popped up several times in later dialogue including the odd charcter giving my female fighter attitude just because she was female. What I found REALLY funny was you complaining about a lack of character customisation in DA and then hoping for a great RPG from Square, who don’t really seem to be making all that many games with a wide scale of customisability.
I think 40 or so hours is great value for the money I pay, especially looking at alternative entertainment where I pay so much more for so much less. And then adding another couple hours or so for a few dollars more every so often is even better, especially like I mentioned earlier with an RPG where you want to keep levelling your old character.
Seriously, which mediums give more entertainment for a time vs. dollars spent scale?
True, FF games have no customization and for good reason. The story of their games requires the character to be the character. It would be neat to mix the charcter choices and go from there. The thing is, IMO the FF series has been so much better than the rest of the RPG’s that they do not require character creation. They also give you more bang for your buck if history speaks anything to it. I do not see the DLC as a good deal. Really you pay like 9.99 for a set of quests. If it was just 2.99, I might think differently. GOTY doesn’t mean squat. People’s Choice awards make better barometers than what critics say. Sacred 2 got crapped on by critics but the People seemed to like it. The few whom got to play it. I cannot even find it here. (Must be the Game Nazis! : ) !! ) It took you 40 hours to beat DA:O? I did every quest that I could find and beat it in less than or right at 30 hours. And most of the quests were just busy work with no compelling additions to the story or anything for that matter.
As I said the whole game only hints small bits of your heritage. It was not this revolution in how you can play the game. You get a drop of some difference at the beginning and then smart a** remarks through the rest of the game. That is hardly a story worth the rave. I agree shooters are just quick games and online. It is all the same to me anymore. If it was not for the graphical improvements and the change in weapons and controls, you really have the same game over and over with shooters.
Maybe renting games is the way to go so you don’t spend a fortune on a game that will just sit and collect dust. I get more bang for my buck in movies as I seem more interested in the longer films like LOTR directors cut. I have loads of movie and extras and the movie has great replay appeal for me as do all the films I buy. I do not mind watching any one of them for multiple times. I have over 250 legal copies of films and I watch them with quite a frequency. So I suppose that makes them a more justifiable expense for me. Others may not like to see it again. That is what is surprising about running about these online maps with such repetition. How on earth is that fun to do everytime you play for months. Sure you could play one today and another tomorrow and so on, but they all in the end are doing the same thing. Shoot and run and shoot and run and shoot and run……. MAG is the only one I want to see. Not because it is a shooter, but because it is going to put 256 players on one map at the same time and on a console no less! That is really something I did not expect to see ever. If this goes well then maybe a MMORPG can be done like GuildWars. I like the sound of that. So we are most definetly different but we both like games.
I thought the People’s Choice Awards was only television/film etc?
Not like a show. Some sites let the fans rate the games and you can see the scores. That is the way to check them out.
Yeah like those online communities I mentioned?
The users nominate games and those with the most nominations go into a GOTY poll and a winner is selected from those.
But now that it’s been mentioned, a few industry style GOTY nominations (and awards) have also been sent Dragon Age’s way.
Looks like your right. It was nominated but Demon’s Souls won. I wouldn’t have guessed either beings they don’t sell like the FPS crap. I thought UC2, Forza, and KZ2 would be the front runners due to the following they seemed to have. Nothing less the major hype as well.
I am just about to make a purchase of one of these game consoles and was wondering when the next installment of this yearly comparison will hit the press. Also, is there any chance of some PS3 bundles coming out in the new year?
Now with games like CODMW and CODMW 2 xbox cannot win the better games battle, even with GOW and GOW 2. As for graphics, I think PS3 wins that department to. I was playing Halo ODST and Halo 3 then went to my house and played CODMW 2 and the graphics were substantialy better. i played all three games on a Sony Bravia 1080p tv. I am almost positive that the difference was the HDMI and Blu ray. Xbox is great but PS3 is just a little bit better.
CODMW and CODMW 2 are also on 360?
Xbox 360 also supports HDMI?
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the setup you played the 360 on (non HDMI) was considerably worse than your Bravia setup. Am I wrong?
@ cmen
yeah um halo 3 was made a over two years before CODMW2 and Halo 3 ODST ws just an expansion, so thats why graphics weren’t really any different than Halo 3.
I would also like to go out on a limb and guess that you either have no knowledge of these next gen consoles and their games or that you do not own either of them.
Great articles, really sets up the pros and cons well.
Grats on making this great article, can’t wait for the next :)
M.A.G.
shall this fantastic looking game sway xbox fanboys away from their incessant whining about xbox’s superior online capabilities?
probably not.
I am sure that if the online experience with MAG is as good as they promote, there will be some people giving the PS3 a chance that may not have before. To me it would be ignorant to buy a console for one game. I watched some videos on the game and have to say I saw very little lag. The way they have the servers setup makes it easier to prevent lag but also may make it harder to team up in a game. Time will tell.
What is the truth about the Xbox 360 scratching discs? My son just got an xbox 360 (elite i think!?) for christmas and it has scratched two games already. Both times i was present the console was horizontal not moved or vibrated in any way and wireless controllers were being used.
Is this a design fault or did we just get a dodgy console?
There is a possibility that the console vibrates itself. If the fans are kicking and the disc is spinning up it may have shifted the motor of the tray. Just one of many possiblities. I would return it for another and see what happens. Was the console on a carpet floor or a sturdy shelf? The drive itself is most likely poorly dampened and may be its own worst enemy. The other factor and equally detrimental, is the disc itself. I have encounterd problems on discs where the publisher is not keeping up with QC and the disc is actually not balanced. They may not think much about it but if the drive spins slightly unbalanced media it will shift at the excessive speeds. The drives in these consoles can ramp over 10,000 rpm. Another factor may be a bad burn. If the data is poorly laid, the lens may be focusing out of range and touching the disc. Good luck in your quest for solution.
Thanks for the advice gents I am a novice to this and have a very unhappy 12 yr old son to placate!. Will let you know how i get on could be that the UK console versions still have an issue.
The console was set on a solid surface not directly on the carpet as i had read about the overheating issue (RR0D) and wanted to ensure the console vents were all clear (Health & Safety consultant what can i say i worry!)
This is the best site for unbiased advice i found and non flaming blog by the way!
it was a fault with the first lot of the 360 but was resolved with the introduction of new drives if u phome MS surrport they will get you new copys of the games just make sure you tell them the console was not moved in any wqay wilst in use they may also want the consle to have a look at it
as usual MAG is released 3 days in the USA before it’s released here which gives an unfair advantage to american gamers by this squad stuff where players with a better rating get to control the action and issue orders to others.
they’ll have 3 days more to get used to it and rack up impressive kills/death ratios or whatever.
bit like MW2 where it was a complete nightmare starting off when faced with chaps nearing the prestige level.
anyway, enough of my whinging, i hope MAG does deliver on it’s potential and maybe open the door to multiple player online shooters, COD and MW gets boring after a while chasing after 6 players.
and Zindikar, i bow to your knowledge of all this computer, PC, console type stuff, it’s a pity i had’nt stumbled across this site prior to my investment in a geforce 8600 GT to run crysis. :)
Appreciate the compliment. Have to say I have just dug and dug to learn the little bits I know. I am a trail and error/read learning fool. I have built many pc’s and have failed. The important thing is that when I failed I took the opportunity to learn why and how to avoid it in a most over-the-top focused way. I also took many different peoples advice and theories for a ride. Some good and others not so good. In the end you must wet your feet before swimming in these waters as there is more than shark in them. : ) I remember the first time I flew solo on a build was with the first of the SLi cards and the first dual-core cpu. I have built computers with others since around 1995, just never solo (couldn’t convince my parents to spring for parts or a pc for that matter).
Crysis (the first one) is a memory and bandwidth hog. I have yet to see any configuration to pull of a high framerate with all the fixxings maxxed. They coded that engine rather poorly in a performance perspective. They know that as well and thats why we now see later CryEngines. You could have bought the most killer card or cards and never been fully satisfied. I decided not to buy the game after my friends decked rig stuggled to do medium-high settings. It looks good even on medium but really heats things up for irrelevant gains. Other games give you more efficiency without the graphics suffering. The new engine looks to be quite the opposite. Good luck in you future endeavors.
Hey there,
I am getting ready to order the first components……………………….and I just wondered if you knew of any issues with micro-ATX MoBo’s???? Will the micro ATX boards fit OK in a mid-tower?? Or, should I just stick with full size??
Thanks dude!
I am having trouble posting so I will help when it will let me.
If you look at them, most micro boards lack built-in features you may want. Some do not have sound (the sound on typical MB’s today are worthy unless you want the sound card that does rediculously awesome stuff). Some lack ethernet ports and so forth. Also they lack expansion. If you plan on going bigger in time with graphics, memory, and the likes; you will want a full board in most cases. Most cases on newegg will list the ablilities to house the micro ATX boards. Most do in fact manage to do this. The reason I say it is a bad idea is that most micro boards are less of performance boards and more of space savers. It would only make since, generally speaking, to go micro if you needed the smaller case for space saving. It is possible to build one that runs games adequately but it will be outdated even sooner as you will more than likely not have expansion options.
I would suggest thinking on the lines of what you intend to do as far as staying with the times. If you do not mind falling off the tech map due to building every so often rather than upgrading your machine, go ahead and use micro if it will support all the bells and whistles you want. To me it would be a waste of money as I see the expandable pc as the more cost effective way to stay “current” with the times. If you do not need the space, at least get a dual use case that will hold full atx boards in case you change your mind.
Good Luck!
You might not have noticed this………..or you may have typed in the wrong model no……..but, it just so happens that you actually recommended a micro-ATX board as one of 3 possible system configs…..back on Jan 1……….
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Well here is 3 configs with all the parts needed less the OS and keyboard, monitor, and speakers.
Intel E6300 CPU, Asus P5Q Pro MB, Crucial 2 x 2GB 1066 RAM, ASUS 5750 1 GB GPU, WD 640 GB HDD, LiteOn DVD burner combo drive, Rosewill Sata II 18″ cables, Antec 650 watt PSU, Cooler Master Mid-Tower case, and 2 x Cooler Master 120mm fans totaling $691.76 on NewEgg.com
All the same except sub MB, and CPU with a DFI DK790FXB-M3H5 motherboard and a AMD Phenom II x3 720 totals $730.76
All the same except sub MB, GPU, and CPU with a MSI P55M-GD45 motherboard, HIS 5770 1GB GPU, and Intel i7 860 totaling $903.76″
………..the 3rd config suggests the MSI P55M-GD45 mobo…………which is a micro!!!!
Just wondering whether that was a typo????
Oversight. Get the MSI P55M-GD55 it is $10 more but has the room on board for expansion. Look at the photos by clicking on each of the overheads and you will see what I mean. Any rate, that micro board is pretty impressive giving its size. The dual gpu option is there but with that you are unable to use the standard express slot as it will be covered by the GPU. Something to think about as well is the spacing between the 2 gpu’s if you go that route the full atx board, in this case, has much better breathing room. Good Luck.
I really need to use spell check. : )
it was a mate of mine ,who has himself convinced that he’s some sort of tech deity, who recommended the 8600 for crysis, he himself is a PC gamer fanboy and will never admit the positives that home consoles have over PC’s –
i had a certain pleasure displaying his failed advice when i had to dumb down crysis and then popped killzone 2 into the PS3 showing him that whatever console you choose you can be assured that whatever game you buy will actually work.
I suppose that is true. On the other hand you cannot tune the console to do less for better performance (some games should give you some kind of adjustment considering their wavering performance). It really depends on what you are looking for in your games. If you want to see all the bells and whistles going you need the latest pc hardware. If you like a relatively sound investment with a scale back in performance, the console is for you. Sometimes we get people with both and they have to argue one better than the other. It really is not true. A pc can crush the consoles today. That doesn’t make them better due to you having to pay more for that performance. Something that used to be a selling point for PC’s was the price of games. I noticed that the new Modern Warfare 2 was 59.95 USD on PC and console where in the past it would have been 10-20 USD cheaper. That alone would have meant PC players could buy a larger library for the money on the software alone or use the difference to justify the price of the hardware.
I won’t be selling neither my PS3 nor my PC rig anytime soon. I like both of them for what I have and what I want to have in the future. Indeed I do not have the top of the line pc anymore as it has been in this form for around 2 years. Another argument for pc gamers has been that the console is outdated. The release of both of these consoles actually had them even with the pc’s that were out at that time. The gpu’s anyway, were on par with the pc standards. Of course the pc has evolved and so the console has fallen back. The next console will probably target the mainstream pc of its time just the same. The good news for both pc and console gamers is that the more they produce this technology, the cheaper they can make it with continued improvements to the design. Win-Win for all of us. : )
hopefully.
my PC is hardly a meaty piece of kit either, i got all the relevant hardware to play company of heroes which was another title that demanded an awful lot of substance to run and apart from the graphics card i have since added nothing new.
these days all i seem to play on the PC is B-17 the mighty eighth, my all time favourite game/simulation software which as you know could run on 4 triple A batteries :).
the original COD and it’s subsequent sequels and various other FPS’s, had me practically glued to my keyboard and mouse and i derided the thoughts and ideals of FPS’s on games consoles which i swore would decrease playability, these days i have turned to the darkside and never buy any of them for the PC.
i’ve read where PC gamers actually detest their version of MW2, where certain aspects are removed, stuff like lean and so forth, consoles never had that lean option and it’s something i have got used to.
my mate used the same argument regarding that no matter how powerful they make a home gaming console the PC will always surpass it within weeks, that’s fine if you’re a rockstar or politician.
for the time being i choose to remain a console gamer and am lucky enough to have both PS3 and the 360 and unlucky enough to also have the wii, something i cannot see myself playing again
I liked Company of Heroes. The eye candy was a bit of a chore for the GPU but not like Crysis. It only makes sense for the console to come out high and dwindle in price as the mass production should drive the unit costs down. So to meet the price point they want, they will have to stick with the goods through the whole life cycle. Not really a bad thing as the development for them will be simplified once the devs get a grasp of the architecture and can aid in overall affordibility of game creation. I like the idea of using a pre-made engine over a broad spectrum of games. The devs then have a place to start that can save them on time and money by only tweeking the engine to their needs. UE3 was one engine well worn. It has been a successful engine for more or less all of the 360′s life cycle as well as the PS3. The fact that it isn’t the best is irrelevant. Certainly better will show up. The way it was designed allowed for different games with different visual schemes to still use it effectively. It can be argued that all games would benefit visually from custom engines. We would pay a higher price on games if that was the case. Certainly new engines will be made. UC2 had a proprietary engine that was derived from the first UC. It was not and as far as I know has not yet been used for any other game. The rights may well be sold to help Naughty Dog profit more from there development.
Poor Wii. I do not have one, though I have access to one of my friends and I can say that it has its place in the gaming realm. It seems to me to be the console to use when you want to game with a few friends in one house rather than over the internet. It will not blow many peoples minds, (Conduit is the best looking game on the Wii and is really an impressive feat on it) but it will entertain for a couple of hours. One thing is for sure, all the band games are just as good on it as the others. I have Rock Band on my PS3 and my friend on his Wii and we have played on both and I can say that nothing is really lacking in that game on the Wii.
Happy Gaming!!!!!
What a waste of time! neither?
any way just get a wii
I want a system for playing games online and offline and occasionaly a movie. I would like to say i want a 360 but i still dont know… any suggestions???
Are you wanting to play the shooters? The online experience of the PS3 is often said to be less than that of LIVE. Now there is better support supposedly on the way with PSN Premium. I cannot vouch for the service of either too much as online has not been my thing. The real problem tends to be with your ISP more than the service of either console. I have played Uncharted online and it was quick to party up and no lag. That was achieved on 1.5 Mbps internet speed. If you like the idea of massive team battles, PS3 has MAG enroute for release in the next couple of months. It supports 256 players on a single map. Either way I am sure you can play online on either console with adequate results. The next thing is the movie playing. If you are capable of streaming content then either will do as well. If your internet is in the lower download speed realm, you will get lots of pause for the buffering. In that case you should look to the drives. Do you want HD video? The PS3 has it built in. Thats about all I can suggest with the information you have given the forum.
personally i cannot see any difference between online shooters on the PS3 and the xbox.
certain friends reckon it takes to long to get into a game on PSN and the lag is terrible, thats more to do with their broadband connection than sony as i never experienced them problems.
i tend to duplicate preferred games. with MW2 i am two thirds through the first prestige level, not amazing but on PSN i started online with MW2 recently and the chorus of derision from other gamers for having a “noob” on their team was quickly silenced as i proceeded to slaughter LOL.
to tyler, i’d opt for the PS3, it’s still relatively young and is supposedly future proof (?)whereas the xbox has reached it’s zenith IMO.
regards the wii? great fun for about a day and then the novelty of motion control wore off, the missus uses it now for them dreaded fitness “games”, good luck to her, it’s wired up to a basic analogue TV while my superior machines hog the expensive HD telly, not selfishly, i’m just concerned about the inevitable separation between hand and controller resulting in a splintered screen such is the vigour of her movements while she tries to shift non existent fat :).
Ok, so I’m still on the fence between the 360 and PS3… yes, even after reading all the comments and opinions…
Here’s my thing:
- I like streaming videos from my PC to my TV over wifi. I *think* both can do it, but PS3 may do it better. Is that right?
- I heard the 360 menus are nicer to navigate through. How much i care about this.. I don’t know but as a Software Analyst, it irks me when I see bad design…
- I loved the FF’s for PS2 and still play them, but does that *really* make it worth the extra money? For 1 series of games?
- Like everyone here, I like getting free things. This includes online gaming (hence I play Guild Wars vs. WoW). But if the population isn’t there with me, then I’m basically playing with myself (see what I did there?)
- Ok, yes, the Blu-Ray thing. Is a game played from a Blu-Ray disc *really* that much better? Vectors are vectors and Polygon algorithms are Polygon algorithms… A Blu-Ray player today is like $100 (unless you cheap out and go to Wal-Mart). But again, I like that it’s integrated and don’t need to get yet another device. Does the PS3 come with a remote or will I have to use the controller?
- RROD? Yeah, it’s a possibility, but so was the Blue Screen of Death in Win98. WinXP SP3 and Win7 don’t have that (I have Vista and never saw it). So is it really still around or has it been fixed in newer 360′s?
I played a little on both and really like both. Graphically, they are near identical to me. Which has hit the glass ceiling of *pushing it*; well the people here think 360 has, but I find that a little hard to believe.. sorry. I guess what will eventually push me over the fence will be this: “What new features will they come out with in 2010?” and “When are they releasing the next gen consoles?”.
*inhale*.. so, what do you guys think? Can anyone help me and answer all or most of that?
really appreciate it…
Johnny
I wouldn’t say that the glass ceiling has been hit on either console. As we all know the more efficient the code the better things can get. Sure the CPU on the 360 has been utilized to near 100% ops per cycle but that doesn’t mean that it has been doing it efficient. Since the lack of proprietary engines, it is safe to say we will see better things on the 360. With that in mind I suggest focusing on libraries. I for one have been upset with the lack of RPG’s. Sure there are some on the PS3 but they have been mostly sub-par. Exceptions have been mostly multi-platform anyway. Demon’s Souls has gotten rave reviews and is exclusive to the PS3. The menu system on the PS3 gets ragged on a lot. I find it easy to use and convenient.
You will need to buy a remote to operate the movies. I will tell you that the fact that it is blue tooth makes it eat batteries up even when the PS3 is off. I don’t stream from my PC with my PS3 but I do play movies off of my 1 TB book drive and it is great. I run them in their native file size and type as well. No media format. I like the fact that they keep the image quality and any of the options like subtitle and surround modes. Anyway, this may very well help you decide. I still think you should focus more on libraries as the hardware can do most everything the same. Software can be changed. Sony is playing catchup with features. It is in the pipeline to copy Live in almost every way. I can only imagine what else can be crammed into these machines. Good Luck!!
i think the PS3′s menu system is more user friendly and contains a more varied arrangement of options relating to system performance.
the gamer ID and profile set up is slightly inferior to xbox live but that is offset by the absence of the ridiculous avatars and the colossal prices MS charge for dressing them. it’s all optional of course, MS don’t force it but it’s still unnecessary.
a remote is not necessary for the PS3 either although these days they are relatively cheap,
one of the big selling points of the PS3 is its integrated blu-ray player. microsoft, by contrast, opts to omit an HD disc player from its console, probably to keep the cost of the console as low as possible, but the company does offer an HD disc solution in the form of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player, which are about £30 these days.
reports in various gaming magazines reckon we will not see a new console from either manufacturer until 2013, MS is still reeling from the billion dollar payout from the RROD debacle while sony have yet to make a profit on the PS3 owing to the lacklustre initial sales and the high price of the machine earlier.
MS are betting on project natal to further the lifespan of the 360 while sony maintain their console is a 10 year project.
for online gaming, the PS3 is building up a solid population in recent times and gone are the days when you had to wait 20 minutes to get into a game lobby, i actually use it more for gaming and find it more populated than previous times, the 360 still comes out on top but only slightly.
one irritation i have for online PS3 is the headset, especially bluetooth ones.
the official sony bluetooth headset i have died after a day, ironically the fault shows up as a red ring of lights, other bluetooth headsets require a trip into the inventory before gaming to connect and very often it will not pick up the ear piece….??? .
my advice is to opt for the PS3 if you want free online gaming, in built wireless, (i have both consoles side by side and the PS3 picks up the signal better), battery free controllers, reliability, quiet performance, (especially on the new slimline PS3), blu-ray player and for basic aesthetics.
this might not help your decision, i’m not tuned in to all the technological aspects and stuff like that, i’m only offering advice on what i think is the better long term investment.
Wow, those 2 replies were great! Thanks! Personally I’ve been a Sony guy, but this debate has made me question myself.
Here’s a couple more questions I thought of last night:
- The 360 apparently integrates really well with Media Center over a home network. Can the PS3? I’m worried streaming will be hurt but the (de)compression. Should I be?
- What about plugging in a 1Tb external HD which houses my library instead? Can both natively read from it?
Thanks,
Johnny
the ps3 interface may be user friendly but is much more boring than the xbox’s one. Also i agree that the headsets are annoying, i don’t really know why but i can’t hear my friends well on cod
@ johnny,i’ll leave them two queries you have for Zindikar as i don;t really use either console for that sort of stuff, just games and the occasional blu-ray/dvd watching.
i’m probably missing out on extra stuff by not utilising them options.
@max1mus.
i prefer the sleek interface on the PS3 over the overly colourful, child orientated 360 one and can lead to achievement junkies..
regards the headsets, they are an abomination when your using a bluetooth one, i ended up getting a USB headset with a 6ft lead which can be annoying but they seem to sort out the “i can hear you, can you hear me” nonsense,
also, check your NAT settings, anything above NAT 2 will diminish your ability to talk online.
try get an open NAT or NAT2 at best.
thanks mate i will check those settings you mentioned
This debate is clearly common sense. All Xbox360 fanboys want to do is compare game vs. game because thats the only thing both systems have in common. Yes they will have similar graphics for games that are cross-platform. For system specific games, these games were made specifically for the console. In my experience, the PS3 console specific games are by far the best graphics I have seen on a gaming system because they utilize the 50GB size of Blue Ray media and do not have to compress any audio or video. When you compare the 2 systems these days, its clear the PS3 is now superior due to the increased popularity in HDTV’s in general. If you want a blu-ray player and a game console, the PS3 is a bargain at the current price. You do not need to attach and purchase a wifi connector to a PS3 since it is built in. Online access on the PS3 is 100% free for life. For $299.99 you get all of the aforementioned with a PS3 and can maximize your experience with an HDTV. Yes, if you have an HDTV, the PS3 is the only console that makes sense. If you do not have an HDTV and Hi-Def is not a factor, you can get an Xbox360 for the same $299.99, however, for online access, you must pay 35 – 50 dollars a year for Xbox live (the price of a game or 2 blu-ray movies) plus pay for a wi-fi connector if your system cannot be plugged directly into a network. That puts the initial XBox price for most users at $399.99 which is 100 more than a PS3. If you upgrade your TV to an HDTV and want blu-ray movies, you will spend another $150.00 minimum for the player, plus $30.00 for an HDMI cable. That means to get a game system and blue ray player, you will have to spend $580.00 + an addition 35 – 50 dollars a year for Xbox live to get the same experience you can get from PS3 for $299.99. 2 years ago the PS3 $500.00 price tag was still comparable to the Xbox even though at first glance it looked to be more expensive. When arguing game vs game, they are quite similar, but having free online gaming + a built in blue ray player and not needing to buy an additional external blue ray player for an HDTV makes the PS3 a hands down winner now.
You also need to consider who is buying the console. If you are an adult (which it seems like half of these posters are not) and are purchasing a system for you kid, they probably will end up buying the Xbox360 for their child. The reasoning is because when both consoles came out, the Xbox360 was a lot cheaper than the PS3 in price. Parents could justify buying an Xbox360 for their kids at the lower price so more kids were able to get an Xbox. Spoiled kids got Xbox’s when they came out and their other friends followed suit (because not many parents would have actually spent $600 for a PS3 console for their kids). People (kids and young adults) that don’t support themselves often need to find ways to justify that their purchase is better than everyone else’s (look at teenagers who drive cars and trucks that they think are Ferraris). Since the majority of consoles that flooded the market were Xbox’s (kind of like 16 year olds and Civic’s, S10 Pickups, Cavaliers, Cobolts, Mitsubishi’s etc) , it was only a matter of time they needed to justify their item was better. This same group of adolescents judge each other based on what their wear, what they own, etc. Since most kids parents refused to buy a PS3 at the initial $600 price, the Xbox was deemed cooler than a PS3. Plus, no one knew what HD format would win in the (although it was clear blu-ray would always win or co-exist with HD-DVDs because its not like the PS3 wouldn’t sell) and HDTV’s were a luxury and not a common item so HD wasn’t a big deal to most people. Fast forward to today and you’ll see that most households have 1 HD-TV or more. The kids usually do not have an HD-TV in their bedroom so to the kid, HD is not important. However to an adult making a purchase, HD may be important and the adult would be dumb to not purchase a PS3 so they can get use from Blu-Ray movies and make their kids happy by giving them a console. Sorry Junior, its not justifiable to spend $400 on a system that will allow you to play Halo with your friends when I can use the PS3 and enjoy it also. That is the true comparison these days because HD-TV’s weren’t big and prices have dropped drastically.
I certainly agree that the parents are buying the 360 (and Wii’s) for their kids. I would like to point out right now again that I only own a PS3. In light of that my point can be viewed as typically biased. The truth is I will give the 360 credit, where credit is due. I know many college students and adults that live on there own and have a 360. Lots of them have them to blow each other away on Halo, whichever one is the hot topic. So the argument that it is a bunch of kids making flame arguments is not the whole story.
These systems were hyped up and then cut down by the competition. Problem was not the flaming, it was with the lack of titles that the PS3 launched with that actually performed to the level they hyped. Comparing a Ferrari to a Civic is valid if you pay relatively the same money for them (the Civic must be really decked out to do this but as you know, with all the gadgets, can be done). If you look at the Dupont Registry (http://www.dupontregistry.com/) and the chip and mod magazines you will find there are loads of ways to pack a punch under the hood of basic cars. The Civic will never be an all-around performance car like the Ferrari. That said, you could work to match its 1/4 mile. If it pleases you to do that, then it is justified. If you don’t think so, it is not for you and you hold an opinion opposite of the Civic owner. So your child will not play Halo and Juniors will. It is not the end of the world. I am glad to see the competition as it will lead to more advancement and less inflation.
As posted below, the price would bring some over to PS3 over the 360. Generally speaking, I think most gamers have both by now. The limited abilities of PSN has kept the PS3 out of some gamers homes. The announcement of PSN Premium may change this. We shall see. The cost increase based on add-ons you use suggests that you must have those to game. That is not true and that is why the 360 is also appealing to some. You can get what you want possibly with a lower price tag than the PS3. Again, I do not and will not own a 360. I have no love for MS products and the reliabilities and support they give are shameful. MS stands for Maybe Stable and Might Support to me. This is not just the 360, this is the whole lot of MS offerings. I particularly like the constant errors on web pages (their Web browser not supporting older HTML standars) and the lack of support for older OS based programs. They seem to get better with age, but right when things are smooth you get a new OS or a SP that just demolishes your PC. They stood behind the original XBOX the same way. It is non-exsistent the moment 360 started running off the lines. Sony did support the older unit to maintain the transistion. Some will argue that they did so out of necessity. Either way, Sony has been doing it for a long time and still seem to have the right formula for success time and time again.
Another valid argument is if you flipped the initial price for both systems. If the PS3 was $400 and the Xbox was $600, I bet the Xbox would be less popular among kids because parents wouldn’t have purchased a $600 system, plus $50 wifi connector, + 50 for a controller, + 120 for 2 games, + 50 for Xbox live = $870.00. This is the tortoise vs the hare race and PS3 is slowing catching up and will be the victor at the finish line. Wait for all of the spoiled kids to get HDTV’s in their bedrooms and for them to get the 360′s RROD and want a Blue Ray player and a new console. If you were a parent, I am positive you would get them a PS3. More PS3 sales to kids means the popularity will shift.
Has anyone else had trouble posting?
i agree i would get a PS3 if i was looking for a console, coz i also have a few HDTV’s. Don’t matter i have one anyway. The PS3 graphics will win- your right there. Xbox Live costs money for a reason. Microsoft obviously want to keep it the best online experience for a reason. It’s the 360′s biggest selling point, for me it was. PSN is free and suffers for it. Loads of kids who play xbox with their mates would get another one if it got RROD. This is because they are used to talkin in parties to all their mates despite what game their on and they would miss this with PS3. As for RROD, it rarely happens anyway now, not the bloody 54% faliure they say. I play PS3 more because my friends are on it so im not a fanboy ok
i thinki ul find that xbox would have had hd drive wi-fi and a shit load of other stuff built in the whole reson xbox is cheper is because it didnt have it built in ms made the console for less they sell it for less and make up the money with charging rediculess prics for the extra bits and to be honist im not a spoled litte kid tahts not the reson why i got an xbox wtf would i want a blu ray player when ive got a fucking pc that i can watch anything i want in hd on and another not i buy everything i have with my own money even ask not to have any thing for christmas and bithdays since i was 12 any time i wnated somethng i had to work to get it or sell something else another benifit of xbox btw is i can talk to everyone on hotmail wilst im plaing a game sure it pauses the agem but i can still do it and befor you say im just another xbox fanboy im not i have a wii ps3 2 xbox 360 1 elite which is mine and one core which was mine but i gave it to my bro i dont cair about wi-fi i prefur hardwire because in my experiance it runs better as for ps3 and there battryless controlers i dont like that because they dont exctly last long do they at leat with my xbox if my rechargable battry dies i just plug in an new one and there only £14.99 conpaired to a new ps3 controller £34.99 as for wi-fi at leat if i did go that way i can get a n addaptor for 360 cant yet for ps3 and last time i checked ps3 only comes with an AV cable and i think both might just be the elite comes with an Component HD AV Cable
o forgot to say last time i checked its not exactly easy to get a ps3 runing on a diffrent tv than the first one u put it on i had to reset the settings to get it to work on a diffrent tv
they stopped packaging the HDMI cable with the elite xbox ages ago.
when moving your PS3 from TV to TV it’s basic plug and play, if your moving from a TV with HDMI connection to a scart connection it’s a simple matter of holding the on/off button for 5 seconds, hardly an inconvenience.
actually, yours is a typical xbox fanboy comment, you are attempting to display the positives of an xbox without dwelling on the positives the PS3 has over it in certain aspects,
your argument is one-sided and fails to adhere to the non-biased, open discussion here.
people have explained their preference while still accepting the “other” consoles benefits, with you it’s nothing but an xbox defence, i doubt you even have a PS3.
i dint say hdmi i said conponant hd av and i do have a ps3 which i no longer play if u want proof add jimmyjames2002 or nikacker77 or nikacker one is my bros account the other 2 are my step dads cant remebr which one he uses and heres one add reaver x22 on xbl and ur see how little i even play on it right now my xbox is under a pile of boxesas for dwelling on xbox positives and not ps3 for me there are no positives for the ps3 for me i dont need a blu ray player i stoped playing MSG affter the first one gran torisimo got boing affter the 2nd i dont want to use the internet browser on ps3 i have a pc as for just butiung uit pon another tv from the one in the dinning room to the one in the front room both hdmi all i get is a black screen with no imput signl in a blue box reset the setings on the ps3 on the first tv befor moving it i then get a picture btw its the 3rd ps3 we have had first 2 had the a fault with the temp sensor so it keeps haveing the over heating error as for xbox positives there arnt that meny unless you pay for live the u have the lastfm gold only download content the evry now and then gold discont on some stuff
@ Max1mus.
you are so annoying. are you sure your not a little teenager in disguise?
all you talk about is xbox 360 fanboys when you are clearly one of the biggest ps3 fanboys ive ever heard. your comparisons are, to say the least, weak. you are making a generalisation that xbox 360 people are all kids, which, many of them are, but you are making out as if you are some superior being ( at least over the internet ) because you own a ps3. well guess what, many people who own xbox 360′s also own a ps3 ( like me). and ps3 havnt utilised the whole 50gb of a (dual layer) blu ray disc. i had uncharted 2, which i think used almost the whole 25gb of the disc. and acting as if ps3 is the only console to be able to utilise HD is arrogant. the xbox 360 also can give you full 1080p HD quality. the exception being blu ray movies, which are over priced and arrived to early.
IMO, blu ray is not a hundreth as big as it will be in 5 to 10 years. give it a few years, when everybody has a hd tv, then blu ray will be very big, so will the next gen consoles.
i would prefer 3 normal movies than one blu ray movie at the moment. and i own a 42inch LG LCD, full HD and another 55inch Samsung LED full hd, and i think ill wait for blu ray a bit longer.
@uhhhhh,
i would’nt reckon that max1mus is a ps3 fanboy, he debated with me the positives XBL has over PSN and the user interface which we maintains is better on XBL, any PS3 fanboy i know would defend the PS3 to the death and deride the XBOX completly, the point he was making (i think) is that all games are going to look the same when they are cross platform and PS3 exclusives display the PS3′s potential to a certain level,
this thread, debate, forum, whatever you want to call it is rapidly descending into a bebo-like fanboy group with impartial arguments and acknowledgements of “rival” consoles benefits disintegrating into more “fanboy” diatribes, so what if you don’t like blu-ray movies, deriding the PS3′S blu-ray capabilities by stating you prefer regular DVD’s is missing the point completely,
argument against wireless and the lack of wireless? so what, it’s not that your forced into buying a wireless adaptor for the xbox, it’s another option, as is the HD-DVD player.
subscription charges for online gaming? a sore point for many but you’re charged for more than basic online gaming although sony seems to be catching up slightly and although they like having the “free” tag as a marketing ploy it seems more and more likely they will soon introduce a subscription based membership for additional content.
i’m resorting to past comments made by many here but both consoles have their fails and benefits but to dwell on one consoles failures without realising it’s worth in other aspects is nonsense,
enjoy both for what they bring, recommend to people thinking of investing what you think has the better specs, lifespan, games etc etc, for that i recommend the PS3, not because i’m a fanboy but because i prefer it.
sermon over, go in peace to your chosen console, (as long as it’s not a wii…LOL)
@serpantine.
i retract my overly antagonistic comment referring to you, i was quite possibly drunk, but for the love of god man, don’t ignore your PS3, embrace it, learn to love it and it will love you.
@sav0)))
i would nt get a chance on it any more step dad and bro controll it now i think im gunna stick to my pc i dont rally play consoles that much only go on the xbox now and then for forza or to play a bit of random single player long distance relationship takes up most of my time
It is getting hot in here!!!
Remember when the Genesis and SNES where neck and neck?
I support constructive criticism. It makes for good reads. The PS3 and 360 are nearing the end of their reign in the spot-light and yet there are still so many questions to what will become of the next games coming out. I anticipate both of the makers to go with nearly the same architecture to keep the learning curve down. Then the muscle flex, pretty screens, and hopefully quiet machines will grace the game market with a bang. I do not expect a giant leap in the visuals. The gaming world is running out of places to go where I eyes will see the difference. The only effective thing they can do know is pump juice into physics and AI. Our screen size will have to go up in resolution. They have room to do native resolution jumps so that will be nice. In the end, I more anticipate the next consoles than I do the next games on these lugs.
Both machines can do pretty much what the other can. The differences are minute and really in the hands of the devs. Looking at what is supposed to be the weakness of the PS3, the online experience on MAG is proven, in beta form, to be a real treat. The graphics on both consoles are pretty much a wash with the expception of some well tailored exclusives on the PS3. Give the 360 devs some times and watch them look as good as well. Their really is only one thing that is discerning about the 360 to me. If the devs are going to go multi-disc, are they going to do hdd install as a standard or will they be forced to split the game? Not much of a big deal until you have to go back and forth in a game that requires many disc changes. We will see. As I have said, they are really close in performance and neither is the run away winner. PSN Premium will most likely bring the PS3 owners the experience of LIVE soon. I hope that everyone can then argue more about the devs and not the consoles, as they are the ones who have control of our experiences today. The consoles are made, they have no choice but to make the game or not.
BWAHAHAHA. OMG those were the days.
I think the funniest part was how normal things were given special names and some of the people went along with it blindly. BLAST PROCESSING 4EVA! rofl.
In hindsight though, I wouldn’t have done without either the SNES or the Genesis. Both had great games which at times noticably drew on their respective console’s strength.
And you’re right Zindikar. With the arrival of PSN premium, I don’t think I’ll have many misgivings left at all. It took a while, but I’m finally beginning to really appreciate my PS3. My only real other desire is that they make a new premium model of the PS3 mirroring the features of the first PS3 revision. I mean seriously, when my launch model dies (Guitar Hero God of Rock forbid), I’ll be very disappointed with a replacement if I can’t find another launch model for sale.
We’ll have to see what happens. As for you uhhhh, i have both consoles and i’m not a fanboy.By the way, you have made a fool out of yourself by saying my arguements are weak, when your points are that i’m a fanboy by saying xbox is full of kids (i was talking about my bro’s friends) and that im a superior being…..?? If i was a PS3 fanboy i wouldn’t pay for Live. Wow enough said
*nods in complete agreement.
the possibility exists of games been streamed direct to TV’s which might negate any future console development, apparently this is sony’s next ambition and look set to develop their TV market to facilitate this potential. this will in turn lead to TV fanboyism as forums are filled with “braviaheads” versus microsofts “streamscreen© “, (this is an imaginary TV from MS which to the best of my knowledge does not exist, therefore i shall place a copyright icon next to it and claim royalties and compensation if anyone employed in the development team of MS or other happen to be reading this… :))
maybe they will have full size virtual reality helmets where a user can log into a game and immerse himself totally in a digitised world and………….no wait.
the “nodding in agreement” bot was intended for zindikar.
to max1mus…. i too have been labelled a PS3 fanboy who somehow found a xbox and a yearly subscription. :)
To be honest, though I appreciate your article I’m more undecided than ever. To complicate matters I’m buying for my little sister so….
She likes everything to look pretty (you can’t argue that, we are girls after all!) Mmm..she probably won’t ever use ‘extra features’ unless they relate solidly to gameplay.
She loves games like Fable, Final Fantasy & Assassins Creed.
Bascially we’re looking for something with the best graphics (I know I know, its relative, don’t burn me at the stake!)
Fastest running time (no long loading screens & such, sorry I don’t know much gamer lingo!)
And do both consoles have wireless controllers? That are rechargeable?
I would be really grateful for any help on this because I’m totally confused! =)
And sorry for incurring any biased comments!
- Both consoles look rather nice, both have third party customisation options (eg vinyl skins) and you can buy things like changable faceplates for the 360 and a stand with blue LED lights for the PS3.
- All three games you mentioned will be out on 360, All bar Fable 2 will be out on PS3, PS3 will get an additional Final Fantasy game.
- Both can handle great graphics, both having strengths over the other so it;d likely be better to choose based on the games you desire.
- Fastest load speeds? 360 with games installed to the HDD, but installing games to the PS3 isn’t all that much slower, not enough for it to matter too much most of the time, with my only gripes being with one or two games.
- Both have wireless controllers, PS3 comes with an inbuilt rechargable battery, 360 you have to buy it seperately, but I do notice that where I am, a PS3 controller costs about the same as a 360 controller + a play ‘n’ charge kit.
120gb is a good deal of space, unless you plan on spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on online content like I have personally. On a 120gb hard drive I can generally fit a couple of my most played 360 games along with a handful of xbox originals/360 downloaded games, DLC for all my faves and 150 odd arcade titles.
If she likes playing games get a Xbox 360. If she likes good quality for watching movies and listening to music for free a Ps3 is the way to go. my brothers Xbox cant download movies so I dont know if you can transfer movies from your ipod to your xbox. The PS4 should be coming out anytime now so I dont know if buying a PS3 is a good idea now. The good thing about a Ps3 is it can hold a lot of memery if you buy a 500GB hardrive. but if you go for a Ps3 and plan on buying a bigger hardrive, make sure you look at the size of the hardrives because the bigger the gigs the thicker the hardrive. I have a PS3 and I really only like to watch movies on it. to bad a Ps3 doesnt have games like Gears of War 2. it is an awsome game so if she likes games go for a Xbox. a PS3 has a shiney black color with some silver. An Xbox is has surface that comes in multiple colors. my opinion for looks is the PS3 but dont shop for looks go for its ability to do stuff. If you go for a Ps3 go for the cheepest one and buy a bigger hardrive ;)
Gears of War 2 has plenty of competition coming out on both systems. If it is online you are after, MAG is going to be the biggest up and coming game. It all depends on how well they do with the teaming and lag issues. Lots of people play KZ2 in place of Gears as well. It doesn’t appear to be the target genre for them.
Oh yes, & is 120gb a -lot- of space? With a maximum of 5 games being played intermittently for a couple of months before being replaced will I need to be paying the extra for consoles such as the Elite?
Or can I just save myself precious money & stick to the cheaper more basic models?
Thankyou again! =)
you can save money by just going for the basic arcade model of xbox, you might get a package or deal in whatever shop you buy in for around £150 – £200, various peripherals and subscriptions may add a further £100.
a slimline 250 gb PS3 will cost you about £250 – £300.
to be honest there’s not much difference these days between prices, and there’s minimal difference, (if any) in the graphical department.
the 360 probably has a better library of games for you and your sister but the best game for someone like your sister, (i’m assuming she’s pre or early teen) would be little big planet, it’s a PS3 exclusive though.
as always, i recommend the PS3 slimline for aesthetics, reliability and silent operation.
You could spring for the arcade model but I wouldn’t. They come with 512mb flash memory if I recall correctly (a limited amount at any rate), some of which gets eaten up by the NXE update. Even 20gb harddrives are terrible when it comes to installs as you’re lucky to get 3-4 games installed to the hard drive without DLC, saves or anything else.
If you do wish to buy a cheaper unit, I’d go with a 60gb pro at the very least, and whichever model you pick, I’d ask if it was a Jasper revision as they’re the most hardy.
Agreed. If you are not a media frenzied user, alotting 5 GB a game is probably going to give you all the space you will ever need. I recommend doubling that number so that the system can effectively defrag and possibly cut some of the seek time down for faster game data (if used) transfers while loading.
some help if ur going for xbox to make it easyer in finding a jasper http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Identify-the-New-Xbox-360-Jasper-280-01.html
My gf bought me a PS3 for Christmas and I love it! It just seems like the total package. Sony thought everything out and even though it is more expensive than the XBox 360, it just looks and feels more refined. Note, it is more expensive if you don’t need the accessories such as a wireless internet connection or Blu Ray Player. Plus not everything, if anything on it is proprietary. IF* I ever need to change out to a larger HDD, it’s easy, cheap and seamless.
The PS3 is not just a gaming console anymore. I find it odd that Microsoft didn’t make the 360 more like a media hub, as the author stated.
you said it bro, pepole fail to see that Blu Ray has out classed the HD-DVD, and fail to mention that xbox360 games scratch easily
I’m not a big gamer, my kids love them. We had an XBOX 360 for a couple years, in fact we had gone through about 3 or 4 of them when i finally gave up on the thing. It was miserable as far as reliability goes, and having a $60 disc eaten up on you is heartbreaking. I would never put myself or my kids through that again. The $400 xbox has cost us a fortune and i’m done with it.
We got the PS3 for Christmas this year, along with Modern Warfare 2 and now i am totally hooked. I hear everyone is buying the xbox’s now, but i have no regrets so far. The game is awesome, and the PS3 is beyond simple. As long as it doesnt eat my disc’s or break down entirely i’m going to say the PS3 is the much better option
@JBear
if Microsoft waited another year after the ps3 came out im sure they would have had a more refined console as well.
simple as that, watch and learn and refine.
I have owned a ps3 since launch. If think at launch the ps3 price tag, naturaly made peoples expectations high, and perhaps unrealistic for such an advanced machine. For firmware and games the 360 was clearly a better option. So why did I buy a PS3? I here you ask.
My nephew had an 360. It died in 13 months and every other person I new that had one saw there system die on them. Most not lasting the first year. Also the xbox fan is very noisy. I thought the ps3 on paper was more future proof and these were the factors in my purchase of the ps3.
Although I have to admit at first I was dissapointed by the lack of games compared to the xbox 360 I never lost faith in the ps3. Now at present day multi platform games are (on average) on a par on each system and playstation exclusives out perform the 360 in my opinion. My favourite game is modern warfare 2 (which is excellent on either system) followed by Uncharted 2.
I do like movies and own an ever increasing libary of blu-ray movies. I don’t regret my decision to purchase a ps3. I use it every day to either watch bbc i-player, watch movies, and of course, play games. The firmware improves on every update and the PS network is free. But don’t tag me as a casual gamer I am as hardcore as they come. I played Modern warfare 2 for 2 days without many breaks before!
The xbox still has a bigger catalouge of games but on either system you will find the game for you. The xbox is now said to be more reliable and I have heard that past manifacture faults have been resolved. i will say, I have never owned an xbox although i have played on them. Xbox live is a better service than psn for online gaming but I detest paying for online gaming as I have already bought the game and payed for an internet connection. I am not a big wage earner so having a free psn account helps my bank account and makes up for the difference in cost between the 2 consols. Also although I have said Xbox live is better but I still think PSN is excellent. I never have trouble finding people to play against online and keep intouch with a lot of friends through the network. It does everything I need and its FREE!
To me to 360 has a pc in a box feel to it. You can now creat a facebook account and access it via the 360. This has no imortance for me whats-so-ever as Idon’t like facebook however it may make others prefer the xbox. The PS3 has a more minamalistic, classy and origional firmware of which I prefere hands down. It really has its own identity and shows how much thought has gone into it. The console as a whole feels better quality. I think you pay for what you get here.
General conclusion: You will no dought tag me as a ps3 fanboy but i have simply stated my opinion as a cosumer. Bottom line: am I please with my purchase? did I make the right choice?
Yes of course I did.
anyone who shows preference for a particular console will always be called a fanboy,
i like the ps3 and have 1 but most of the people in my school have an xbox but i didnt know you could import games thats stupid thats like piracy
Piracy = not paying for a game which is essentially stealing, importing a game = buying a legit copy of the game overseas.
For some people it can be a better option due to inflated local prices in some regions, games not being released in some regions, and some games getting butchered in some regions (like Australia).
HACKER!!!!!
Just kidding, Silver : )
Well if you pay to hack you are doing both an injustice to yourself and to the company you are getting the hack from! Seems like a bad idea to me.
To clarify, I was referring to importing. I’m not really a big fan of playing pirated games. You don’t get the cool case art, instruction manual, in some cases you need to use a bootloader of some kind…
Inconvenient is a simple way of putting it.
dammit.
due to my renewed preference for the PS3 and it’s online play bragging rights over rank and experience on MW2 has gone to my friends on XBL.
i enjoyed starting from scratch on PSN and ignored my xbox rank which was a modest prestige+29, i’m level 41 on PSN, my friends have since surpassed me on XBL,
i know it’s a fickle complaint but if i had to just stick to xbox i would now be 2nd prestige looking down with scorn upon my friends.
i’m in a quandary now, should i continue building rank on PSN or throw all my effort into vengeance on XBL?
did i say this was a fickle complaint?
makes a change form the usual graphical/processing/gamepad debates.
If you prefer it on PS3, just make some friends who play it on PS3, even if you have to do so online. One of my mates had to join an Australian CoD community simply because less people here locally seem to have the PS3 than the 360.
My friend’s xbox just got the red ring of death, and lets just say he is not very happy. Apparently this happens a lot, which is a big problem. I found this really cool slideshow on the xbox vs. the ps3. It sums up a lot of this article in a slideshow and pictures which is sometimes a little easier to view. you guys should check it out: http://www.powershow.com/view.php?id=P1258403340IZnWT&t=XBOX+360+Elite+vs.+PS3+Slim
But does the PS3 have….
…BLAST PROCESSING??!!!
Sega Genesis/Megadrive > PS3, I rest my case.
that was a prity shit slideshow one sided + some of the info in it was incorrect
Dose anyone know of any good articles on a comparison of the processers for the ps3 and 360. Every article I’ve read was written after the ps3 launch, I looking for something more recent
There is nothing new to tell. That is why you cannot find them. They have only shrunk the dies, that just means all the parts to them got smaller but retain their layout.
The only thing I’ve found a good supply of are comparisons of different revisions of each console. I’d say the only way to compare them would be to look at the newest revision of each and do a little research on the side, but that can get quite technical.
I’ve found reading all these 360 vs Ps3 articles, comments, discussions etc. very interesting over the past 3 years (or however long ago it was since the ps3 came out.)
I now own a PS3 but I also view my PC as my main gaming platform of choice – I’d just like to share my opinions about both and why I made the choice I did.
Initially, after the launch of the two competing consoles, I put off buying either because I was horrified at the price of the PS3 but following the herd (so-to-speak) like the rest of the people I knew and get the Xbox360 didn’t feel like the right thing to do, I’d never owned a console made my Microsoft – “they do Windows, not games consoles!” I thought. I am primarily a PC gamer, not that I play many games on keyboard and mouse (except a few fps & rpg’s such as Oblivion) its just that I like the graphical superiority of PC’s thanks to the freedom to swap out old components for newer ones (mostly referring to the GPU here.) When Microsoft made GFW & the xbox 360 controller compatible with windows, I did start to consider getting an xbox 360 to pair up with it. However, I’ve been a PlayStation supporter for a while now so I held off and getting the latest console until this war played out a little longer, I’m glad I did.
Aside from the initial reliability issues, I believe Microsoft made a great console in the XBox 360, but non of the exclusive titles for the console appealed to me. The PS3 however, did (Uncharted, heavenly sword…) but at a much higher price, both for the console and the individual games. I read a lot of the technical jargon that accompanied both consoles and leaned towards the PS3 because of it’s use of a Nvidia GPU (yes, my “fanboy”-ism lies in the nvidia vs ATi debate but thats not my point) & the unusual CPU. A friend of mine owns a PS3 and while I was waiting, I watched her and how ps3 titles were evolving. I found it interesting that on the early PS3 titles, my laptop, which had a nvidia geforce go 7950GTX gpu in (very similar to the RSX which was based of Nvidia desktop 7800 GPU) could play games either just as well, or with a slight graphical edge in anti-aliasing, resolution or the texturing. Later titles however, my laptop was rendered unable to smoothly, partically because of the CPU (in my laptop) but also because high settings on that GPU wouldn’t run, I can therefore see where the PS3′s gpu is about hitting its limits and can see where devlopers (such as naughty dog with uncharted 2) have offloaded some of that stress to the PS3′s CPU, the “Cell.” This leads to me to agree that the 360 indeed does have graphical superiority in its GPU, as I have seen that it has more details shadows & lighting effects on many games, however that can be hampered by the limiting capacity of the DVD format it uses, which affects textures. I’ve seen this with a few modern titles, the one I can think of is Dragon Age Origins, where the memory limits of the DVD format show itself in the textures, which look better on PS3 than on 360. It’s a hard argument to make because of this, 360 may have a better chip, but the ps3′s better memory capacity can allow it to store more detailed graphics (textures) in future & possibly longer games (without sacrificing graphics because of space limitations?) Anyway, that’s not my main point so I need to move on, but its an interesting thought which I hope makes sense.
I have accustomed myself with both controllers (360 & Dualshock 3) and I admit that I prefer the Xbox 360′s controller (which I use on my PC) as I think it’s of better build quality to Sony’s standard ps3 controller (I’m not sure about all the fancy 1′s made by logitech – it they’re more robust I suppose that point is rather invalid) and the layout of the 360′s controller reminds me of the good ol’ Dreamcast (triggers & AXYB !!) PC compatibility does not sway my opinion I’d like to state, as the PS3 controller can work with the PC, albeit not wirelessly (to my knowledge.)
I don’t know if it’s the same now or whether it’s changed, but I don’t like the fact that in order to play online games on xbox360 you have to pay for an Xbox Live account, though I know that GFWL accounts can be free and optionally paid for so maybe that’s changed, it would be a bit bizarre to have pc gamers getting a similar service to xbox live account holders, excluding cross-platform playability, and getting it free when its run by the same company? I don’t own an XBox360 so I can’t really say much more on that, but PSN accounts are free and so that pushed me more on the PS3 side.
In terms of games themselves, many xbox 360 titles end up being ported to PC so Microsoft make more money, so I decided to pair my PC with a PS3 because then I would get all the PS3 exclusive titles, without missing out on many games exclusive to the 360 (there are still some 360 titles you can’t get on PC.) Another note on that, I’m in no way rich and £40-£50 per game on PS3 is a bit much, PC games tend not to be as expensive (something to do with licensing I think) so for the multi-platform titles, I opt PC and reserve my ps3 for blu-ray movies, PS3 exclusives and a whole lot of folding(@home.)
I hope all that makes sense and is generally neutral, I’m in no way trying to make a PC vs console debate either, just to note. :-)
They all got to start sometime. Sony was just an audio/video component manufacturer when they leaped into the game world. Success comes from ingenuity and the continuing pursuit of that next best thing. MS has made an effort to be the online champs with a great software approach. Sony went to the tech side of things with a different architecture that may yield advantages to game devs in the future. The good news is that both consoles are loads better than the previous generation of consoles.
As for the gpu’s, I really think that both gpu’s are hampered more by the lack of memory than anything else. They are not the super gpu’s of the century or anything. They just can do more with more memory given to them. They both get penalized by the memory architecture as well. One shares and has moderate bus speed and the other is split and runs half its data over the cpu. Sticky situations come up doing either, just more prevelant in the PS3 as most will not want to direct traffic over a cpu that requires command already just for the SPE’s and the interconnection between all the components. Some that have show up with great visuals and performance that is unmatched on the PS3. Goes to show what hard work can do for you. : ) Just have to remember that them fellows gotta get paid.
I wonder why games cost more on PS3 there? PS3 and 360 games are the same here (new ones anyway).
I’ve always wondered why consoles have less video memory, i kind of understand the reason for less RAM, seeing as information is read more slowly from a DVD/Blu-Ray disc than from the Hard Drive, though I always thought that for HD gaming they should have 512MB of Video Memory rather than 256? Perhaps its manufacturing costs but still, I thought if they were striving for best graphics they would opt for slightly larger chunks of memory.
I think my generalisation was a bit bad with the cost of games actually, but general in the UK I tend to see titles on PS3 to be £5 to £10 higher than on 360, more commonly in stores but sometimes online as well. I always assumed it was because the manufacturing costs of Blu-Ray discs were higher than that of DVD’s. There are some games though, for example the Dragonball Raging Blast game, which is £45 on both consoles (or it was when I last looked)
Jesus! I never thought it would be so complicated! I just want to know if I should get 360 or ps3? Someone give me a proper answer please.
Go to your local store and look at the games for each. Whichever has more you want, get it. Or you could get both as these days you can generally get a good deal on both.
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Jug,
Do you want to play Halo, Forza, Gears of War 1 & 2, Fable II, Mass Effect 2 (soon), Alan Wake (soonish), Splinter Cell Conviction (not sure when), get a 360
Do you want to play God of War(s), GT5 (soon), Infamous, Demon Souls, Little Big Planet, Uncharted 1 & 2, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, The Last Guardian (eventually), then get a PS3.
Obviously, these are only some of the more well know exclusives, but at this point both consoles have a big back catalogue of exclusive & multiplatform content. 360 does have more games, but there’s so many out & coming out for both platforms that you’ll struggle to play them all anyway.
I think your main priority should be which games you want to play.
Also, how important is online to you. Both have it, but the Xbox’s is a little better, but at a price (money type price, obviously)., although to be fair, it’s not that much cash over the space of 12 months.
I think it’s about time the 360 reliability thing was forgotten unless you’re planning to buy 2nd hand, as I haven’t heard many bad things said about the Jasper chipset, & some of the original 60GB PS3′s are now starting to look a little ropey (but you don’t hear anything bad about the later revision phats or the slims).
Either way, you’ll be happy. I would personally go for the PS3 (I did), but then I’m biased. It’s had 15 months of solid use, & even more recently due to Play TV, & it’s been faultless.
Online might become a moot point if PSN premium rears it’s head any time soon. Which brings me to something else I should have mentioned to Jug. Check for things omitted from your region’s online service. Australia’s PSN gets bugger all compared to the US and our XBL still doesn’t allow us access to play indie games which are a big selling point.
Excellent article. Your impartial views make this article very valuable. I would be very interested in reading a new article now that PS3 slim has been released with the 250gb version and the most recent games including Unchartered 2 and MW2. I counted that overall the Xbox 360 wins in most categories but I think you really nailed it on the head when you said the ps3 ‘feels’ better in terms of gaming.
When are you going to write the “Three years Later” Article?
‘Of course our annual XBOX 360 vs. Playstation 3 article is in the works. My 360 bit the dust earlier this year (on my birthday as a matter of fact), which is why it is late. I only recently replaced it.’
http://www.hardcoreware.net/merry-christmas-from-hcw/
My personal guess is he’s just making it so thorough no-one has anything decent to bitch about. :D
I see your best of both worlds reasoning Rease.
You are a true gamer.
a reason as to why ps3 titles may be 5-10 dollars higher is because not as many people bought the game on ps3 as they would have on the xbox 360. this is the case in some circumstances, for insance, EB games does this a lot. about 6 months ago, you could get call of duty 4 ( GOTY) for 50 dollars brand new, but atthe same time, the one on the ps3 was 110 dollars or so, also the GOTY edition. retailers who have excess copies of games willl eventually drop the price down dfepending on how popular a game is. it is the same with cars and market value with EB. depending on what they have in stock.
I can’t say I’ve spent a lot of time comparing the prices between PS3 & 360 games, but whenever I have looked in Game (UK) at prices on both platforms I’ve found them to be identical. If anything it’s always the PC versions that are cheaper. Dragon Age:Origins was £20 on PC when it was selling for £40 on consoles. Unfortunately for my wallet, I just don’t game on my PC anymore as I like my comfy armchair & big…ish tv (or story box as the missus like to call it).
I also wait with baited virtual breath for the new article.
PES 2010 is 24.99 on PS3 and 44.99 for xbox, this is not one shop exclusive as i have seen it priced similar in other game shops….. baffling.
anyone else have problems with the official PS3 bluetooth headset?
when i bought mine it worked for a while until i turned it off, next time i was playing it would’nt power up and all i got was a red light, seeing as i had no receipt for it i discarded it and bought a usb headset, yesterday i picked it up and it powered on, it charged fully in the cradle and now works splendidly, i “googled” this and there does seem to be some inherent fault
If you wanna see the power of the PS3 online go out and try the new game MAG only for PS3. They couldnt make for Xbox360 since they have problems over heating and couldnt keep up with all the 256 real people online at a time. But with the PS3 the game ran smooth as anything with all 256 people online and their wasnt much waiting time at all and that was on the beta.
You had me with the first sentence but lost me right afterwards.
They (Zipper Interactive) couldn’t make it for 360 because Zipper Interactive is a Sony owned development studio. I seriously don’t know where you got the idea the game wouldn’t work due to 360 overheating and for the record there is already a game on 360 that supports more than 256 characters online. Ever hear of Final Fantasy XI (also out on PS2 for that matter). I’m guessing any other MMO game on console would be much the same.
The only thing MAG has achieved thus far that I know of is being the first MMOFPS on a console to support that high a number of players on a single game.
Phantasy Star Universe I think also has alot more people online yeah games on the 360 can and sometimes do support more than 16 players they are not only just 16 player per party Halo games
I agree with you that game might not have the best grapics but for 256 people its pretty damned good when in school all my friends talk about games at least once a week we dont talk about what we did the night before on the game but if there was a wise-ass comment or retarded remark we might just go into school saying it
I never mentioned the graphics, but from the beta footage I saw it actually looked pretty good. I’m not normally too big on shooters, but I get the feeling I’ll be giving MAG a go at some point or another, especially if some people I know also jump on board.
WAH WAH WAH …. Stop all of your crying. I have both PS3 and Xbox 360. Oooooh… Greater power and More Memory. Xbox 360 came out over 2 years (2 years of games and fun) b4 PS3 and its much easier to program for. Gran Tourismo 5 anyone? What’s it going to be 10 years? If you don’t have he games… who gives a crap how powerful a system is. All my friends lists are on Xbox 360 already as well. I guess Blu Ray, GT5 and MLB 08, 09 and 10 oh and Uncharted perhaps are the only reason mine doesn’t just collect dust. (add the Logitech G27 wheel thats compatible with PC and PS3) Well there is the Fanatec wheel for xbox 360 now…. but I digress
Stop quoting the Damn tech specs. Microsoft uses the shittiest/cheapest motherboards but, its set up like to be programmed like a PC… Which is how people learned for the last 50 Years!!! When a game takes 10 years to come out for PS3… it BETTER BE DAMN GOOD!!! (if its not obsolete by then) Just make a game for the PC or Xbox 360 and port it. Should I wait for Xbox 720 or PS4 before a game comes out? Then all you people will talk about is RAMDAC speeds and DDR912 memory. Just give me quick and better games!!!!!! (I don’t care if you crap in my hand and call it a Console! If it has well made and a large quantity of games I dont care if my system is powered by a WOMBAT running on a treadmill!!!!! STOP THE TECH CRAP SPECS AND GIVE ME BETTER GAMES!!!!!!!!!!
-The Captain has Spoken for the last time
the xbox probably could have it to……………. but that i dont know. id love to see how MAG runs out of the states and canada. Australians are pretty much f*&ked, i mean we have the shittest damn internet on the planet. at least my brother will be pissed.
I apologize if these questions have already been asked/answered:
I’m thinking I’m going to buy one or the other for myself, but here’s what I need:
*Fallout 3
*Oblivion
*Prince of Persia
*Katamari
*Beatles Rockband?
*Resident Evil 4
*Less money spent in the long run (I’m in highschool avoiding a job, so I’ll be saving up for the console without a constant income to pay for frequent fees/repairs.)
*Internet ease isn’t crucial; got a racehorse of a computer for that.
*Play MMORPGs; online play ticket is thoroughly punched.
*I’d like to have the ability to watch DVDs from other regions; does this work the same way as games from other regions?
*Don’t call me a noob for this one: what’s all the ruckus about achievements?
*Don’t have a snazzy HD tv yet — dunno how much of a difference will be apparent in graphics quality.
*I’ve got a Genesis. You don’t have to tell me how badly I need a Genesis. It’s all good.
Thanks, folk.
All of those games are on both consoles with the exception of Katamari which has Beautiful Katamari on the 360 and Katamari Forever on the PS3.
Newer revisions of both consoles seem to be coming down in price, and newer revisions of both seem to be quite sturdy though the PS3 still has a lower failure rate than the 360. Make sure to look at additional peripherals you may need for each when looking at the price as they can be hidden costs if unaware of them.
I can’t personally think of many MMORPGs on consoles with the exception of FFXI which I know can be played on a 360. That said, Final Fantasy XIV is also an MMORPG and likely coming out sometime during the next couple of years (a few sources state later this year, but I couldn’t confirm). Oh and there was Phantasy Star Universe, but it almost made me cry after enjoying previous PS games on the Genesis.
I think DVDs are region locked on both consoles, though I could be wrong. It seems to be most games on each console that are region free, but there’s always buying a cheap region free DVD player as they tend to be fairly cheap these days.
Achievements are essentially bragging rights. Many people, myself included, think they’re overrated/annoying, other people seem to live for the next achievement. The basic premise is when you do something noteworthy an achievement (360) or a trophy (PS3) is unlocked, both don’t really add anything to the game other than the aforementioned bragging rights.
Both look absolute rubbish on a standard TV compared to HD, but the games are usually still playable. Just you might find the text a bit blurry and some games even seem to look crappier than an SD console hooked up to a SD display. However, there are cheap workarounds. Your racehorse computer have a good monitor? Buy a seperate monitor cable for either console and you’ll have cheap affordable HD resolution. :D
Have you got a SNES though? Seriously, if the SNES and Genesis had a baby, it would be the ultimate console and perhaps spell the beginning of the apocalypse.
achievements/trophies are pointless, basically you are rewarded for playing the game and is no reflection of your game skill.
you get achievements/trophies for starting the game, you get them in football games for scoring which is the whole premise of the game, you get them for completing chapters, for shooting something, for turning on the console and completing the game……????.
if you received them based on your online capabilities, (for certain games anyway), it may weed out those who have “fixed” their ranking on MW2 and those who have genuinely mastered the game.
(some people obsessed with “10th prestige” rank on MW2 are truly awful at playing the game and have achieved a higher ranking by using the split screen/party option with friends.)
now…..ping.
i’m not up to date with technical aspects of gaming but can anyone explain the high/low ping thing.
when playing online with the 360 i seem to be in the 50ms bracket and 110 -130ms on the PS3, i was informed that lower ping is preferable but i always experience more lag on the 360 than the PS3…
Yes lower ping times is better. I believe the lag you suffer may be due to overwhelm of the Live server in your region. The ping you state for the PS3 is fine. If it was anywhere above 300ms I would be disgusted. I play online pc games and have no trouble until I reach that point. The problem with testing ping is that you need it monitored the whole time you are playing to see if the ping is affected by changing on-screen environments. HDD can affect ping. If you play a pc game and tell anti-virus to scan in the background, the ping will go up. This is because pings test a data packets send and return in the connection. If your pc (in this case console) has too much going on with the HDD, the ping will be inflated. I wouldn’t worry too much until you see the environment freeze up for a second or so. Lag spikes are unavoidable in the scheme of internet. Traffic online is never cut and dry. ISP’s can make the experience more bearable if they wish but it will come with a price.
cheers zindikar, i was expecting you to reply :)
it looks like i’ll have to depend on the PS3 ping levels as the battery block for my 360 has passed away and damned if i’m paying any more money to M$, the actual console is fine but i’m trading it back to the shop, this recent hardware failure was the final straw and i’m about to sacrifice 6 months XBL subscription and whatever downloaded games, avatar clothing and themes for £200 store credit, (this includes games, wireless dongle, second controller and charging kit).
i’m quite content now to revert back to my PS3 fanboyism, (LOL)
I really think that The PS3 is better and i dont even own one I have the XBOX360 because All of my friends had one and i liked SOME of the games that were out for 360 better. The thing is, If you BUY,XBOX LIVE you will have to pay a minimum of 50$ a year which does’nt sound like much, but for as much as my friends have played on LIVE was about three years thats OVER 100$ EXTRA , for PS3 It’s TOTALLY FREE, Ive also Played and its not laggy as much as a game with hackers which you barely see on the PS3. Also, if you want to play with your friend and don’t feel like taking maybe an extra minute to invite them, then obviously you dont want to play with them that much, I really dont know which one is better but you,re not thinking about the future because in some situations and i mean in rare situations those 50$’s you payed that many times could lead to LOSING your xbox its actually happened to 4 of my friends All in All i just thoght i’d be able too help a little bit on the way you judge online based activities,again im NOT chosing sides and i’m glad someone would take the time out of there day to actually analyze and describe the FACTS but you still have to look a little tiny bit Further
I hardly ever encounter hackers on XBL and when I do, you can always report them and get them banned. That’s actually one of the things I love about XBL…
Oh and I’m currently celebrating managing to find $100 (2 x $50 vouchers) in PSN credit in a local store. Since ebgames refused to stock it, it’s been kind of rare to find some locally.
Anyone got any recommendations on either PSP playable games in general or arcadeish games on PS3 for me? I prefer RPGs/old skool titles and mostly want recommendations on gems I may have missed rather than games I’d have thanks to everyone going on about them.
Why isn’t Blu ray mentioned? That’s probably one of the most salient features in owning a PS3, and the only reason I bought it. My cousin who is not even a gamer bought a PS3 because of the Blu ray player.
WHAT?!? This is all untrue PS3 has better graphics and you know it! You actually save money because of the free online with PS3! The PS3 games are better! So what if “more” people have xbox as long as you can join or host a game with no trouble which you can why does it need to be better than perfect? I’m not being a PS3 fanboy i’m just trying to get you to open your eyes and see that PS3 is a clear winner!
LOL. ” Why isnt blu ray mentioned” are you seriuos????
it has been mentioned about 3 million times already. if you havnt anything interesting to add dont say it at all. also, not trying to be a fanboy “guy”, it sounds like you are unsure of your comment as it seems your getting a little worked up over these comparisons. would you think that “ps3 vs nothing because its better than everything else” is a more fitting name for this? you probably do but oh well, its not like you have contributed anything to here anyway…………………………………………..
I just had a thought that maybe neither console should ultimately win over the other. Just imagine if sony pulled out of the console market leaving microsoft to dominate the market, fancy paying whatever charge micorosoft feels fit for their allready overpriced xbox live membership as their would be no alternative. The same could be said if sony had no direct comperition, so my point is this, we need competition between the two company’s, no matter what console you own. The fact of the matter is as consumers we win in the console war and it can only get better as both company’s are forced to come up with inventive ways of relieving us of our hard earned cash, whether it be in new software or hardware.
Are there going to be a Playstation 3 vs. XBOX 360 – Three years later?
Here might not be the place to ask this, based on the discussions going on?
” For Playstation Network, you have to subscribe to their “video magazine” Qore to get monthly exclusive demos, the value of which is questionable.”
i’ve had my ps3 for over 2 years and this has never been the case. If you subscribed to qore you got an automatic beta into mag but you can download all the demos as soon as they come out , no charge. you don’t have to subscribe to anything. this guy is nuts.
So why does googling ‘Qore exclusive demos’ give so many accurate looking search results?
I’ve never been too big a fan of nextgen demos as they tend to use my downloads way too fast and I can usually hunt down most games cheaply if I look around enough but look at when this article was written, Jan 2009, just over a year ago, compare it to the Qore exclusive demos search and voila, several game demos were exclusive both before and a bit after the article was written. I don’t know what the case is now, but back then it was definetely accurate.
That only took me two minutes of very basic research.
RE:
“” For Playstation Network, you have to subscribe to their “video magazine” Qore to get monthly exclusive demos, the value of which is questionable.”
they optimum word here is have
it’s not a necessity, failure to subscribe to this does not reduce your playing options, the term “have” should be used in context, like you “have” to buy a PS3 to play PS3 games, and you “have” to buy a subscription to play online through xbox.
what you omitted was “if you want to get the qore video magazine, you have to subscribe.
What?
You *have* to subscribe to Qore in order to play exclusive demos. It is a *neccesity* to play them and if you don’t subscribe you lack the ‘playing option’.
Or am I missing something?
:)
no, i was just responding to the comment that says you have to subscribe to qore, i don’t even know what qore is
I’ve just finished reading all three articles, and I must say, well done. I really like how you kept the characterizing of each system in a very neutral way with only adding your own experiences and views when relevant. I know am trying to decide between a Wii and a Ps3, my only problem is that I want a PS3 with backwards compatibility since I still have ps2 games, and I want to be able to install yellow dog on it. Do you know if they’re still making the old fat ps3s these days?
Again, good articles.
The PS3 “Fat” is no longer made. You will have to go for a refurbished one. I know people are pushing backwards compatability but I can not see playing less stunning visuals against the outstanding look of the standard games. Even I thought that was a plus and I have it. I probably play a backward game 1% of the time or less. The one I play can be downloaded for less than $10. Good Luck with your search.
yeah the fat ps3′s looked really nice. my brother has the slim 120gb, which looks good, but the material(??)/ casing seems like a scratch(insert something) type thingy. i no its out of the question now, (most likely) but i think it would have been awesome if the slim was just a to scale model of the old “fat” ps3′s. im not saying the slims are crap, just the look on the original ps3 was stunning. with all the reflected light coming off the thing. it was
I have had a 360 since the very first ones came out and i find it amazing. My friend has a PS3 and it looks cool and every thing but its just so un-user friendly its confusing. We have a lot of arguments over which is better and he always goes to the blu-ray. The blu ray like it says in this article is for movies the gaming graphics are basically the same for both consoles. My 360 has had one problem and i sent it back once for free and only took a few weeks. Newer 360′s have no problems failing at all ( with my experience )… He also always goes to free internet. So what its 50 dollars a YEAR most people make that in a few hours and online play is so much easier and smoother with xbox ( in my experience .. Again )… Ps3 is great but i personally love xbox 360 they’re amazing and so much fun. and if you want to chat with people online on xbox its a lot better sounding than ps3 that sounds like every one is sitting 10 feet from their mic yelling in a glass box. But like this article says its completely up to you.. I recommend xbox 360 just because the online capability is so much greater and its so much more user friendly and microsoft is an awesome company. And another thing they say that xbox’s always have tons more problems than ps3′s and that there are way more xbox’s that mess up than there are ps3′s but could it just be because millions more people have xbox’s? and if you buy one game compared to 100 games isn’t it more likely that, the 100 games will have a couple that came with no discs or don’t work. and that one game will work perfectly fine?
tyler,
I understood where you were coming from with the online thing being better on the 360, but your last couple of points were very Microsoft Defence League.
quote “and microsoft is an awesome company”.
I’m glad I wasn’t eating my breakfast or I’d have ended up with cereal on my keyboard. Microsoft is a money grabbing, peripheral overpricing, 3rd party stopping, hardware faliing, dlc buying, banana money charging bunch of thieves. This is a company that wanted to get BBC Iplayer onto the 360, but only for Live Gold account holders, even though it’s a completely free service for UK TV license payers, & when the BBC said only if Silver account holders can get it MS didn’t want to know. Microsoft is the main culprit for releasing broken hardware & software & fixing it later (if someone threatens to sue them). It ended up costing them millions & millions in warranty repairs (don’t think they did it out of the goodness of their hearts, they just didn’t want suing for even more, or being forced into recalling all 360′s). It’s a company, it’s out to make money just like Sony, & it’s had plenty of practice at being a bit of a git to make more.
Quote “And another thing they say that xbox’s always have tons more problems than ps3’s and that there are way more xbox’s that mess up than there are ps3’s but could it just be because millions more people have xbox’s?”
Wordlwide, the PS3 is about 4 million units down (give or take a mil or two, I haven’t seen the most recent sales figures) with the 360 selling somewhere not that short of 40 million units.. There have been various surveys showing failure rates of earlier models from 30% right up to 55% & higher, which is shocking. These figures are subjective though, so just a a rough guide.the 360 even has it’s own wiki page just because of the reliability issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
The difference between sales of the PS3 & 360 is not 55%, or even close to that. However, this shouldn’t affect your decision when buying a “new” console as the Jasper 360 is supposed to be a lot better. Also, some of the old 60GB PS3′s seem to be having a few problems as well. Put simply the failure rate of the 360 “was” shocking, unacceptable, & well out of order. Microsoft knew the 360 was unreliable before they released it, but they wanted to be out there before Sony so they didn’t care (that also goes against MS being an awesome company). Either new console should be (fingers crossed) reliable, & previous history shouldn’t stop you purchasing what you want, but only a blind fool would love Microsoft as a company, & make excuses for them. You can love your console all you want though, just don’t let the wife see you, she wouldn’t understand. ;)
Unfortunately for me I *was* eating (my dinner) when I read that.
As bad as MS can be though, they do seem all to happy to keep repairing defective units and are generally very timely.
I think *most* big name gaming hardware companies can be dirtbags some of the time though. Hell, even Nintendo. I mean their customer service is great and all but they seen to have mostly forsaken the core gamers.
There are some software companies that are worse even then the big 3 hardware giants though. Think the occasional game that won’t work at all out of the box. Even now, years later, that whole Pool of Radiance thing still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even though things did settle fairly well after the whole ‘not working on release, occasionally fucking up the odd PC’ thing.
i prefer xbox 360′s. mine got rrod like 2 weeks from now. i just found out it is under an extended fault warranty. i rang microsoft and they are repairing it for free and the postage is free. but i did just buy a new jasper model elite anyway. but their customer support was very good. they said they would send it back with a 1 month gold card. ( which covers the time it was away, and yes, they are sending it back either repaired or giving me another xbox). but as much as i like the xbox 360, microsoft are merchants(rip-off merchants). although, when you think about it, so are sony and so are nintendo. its their job to make as much money as they can. although microsoft is the biggest offender here.
i actually think microsoft are funny in the way they make their products so that they are only compatible with their own products or their subsidiaries, in most cases.
but in any case, if my xbox 360 breaks i am more than happy to buy a new one over a ps3, reason being, XBOX LIVE. thaqt is their biggest selling point so you could probably bet the Red Ring aint going away forever, although, the jasper models seem fairly nice.
IF you read this Essay, im sorry.
it’s all very well saying M$ will fix your 360 for free and all that jive but i prefer when i don’t have to depend on great after-sale service to fix something expensive which breaks down after 4 month, my elite 360 broke for the 5th and final time last week and although it was a minor fault, (the battery pack), it was just another addition to a catalogue of errors i experienced with it so i decided to get rid of it completely, gone is my yearly subscription- (6 month), the few games i downloaded, the money i wasted on avatar clothing etc etc, but losing that stuff was the cheaper option than paying £50 for a new battery brick and possible further pay outs for subsequent failures.
I would like to point out the main reason of preference anyone has seemed to post is always software based issues. This can be changed. I said before that Live will not hold forever and PSN Premium may just bring that in the coming months. The ways you navigate can be changed. I would not be surprised to see downloads to change the GUI of either of these consoles. It would make since to put true customization in the mix. The comments about MS are typical. You are forced to live with them in many ways so if you hate them you will be upset on some level with them anyway because you are using something they control or made.
Sony can not be compared to MS in the way they have approached this console. Sony took time in making it reliable. They certainly have and should be criticized for not taking the time on the GPU to get a proper match-up to the cell. They have gotten away with it because the cell can take the burden off the gpu in some ways. This keeps them on level with MS and their 360. I notice that the complaints against the 360 are almost always the same. Noise, scratching discs, and RROD (pre-Jasper). That is poor QA and engineering.
MS did not want to fall behind Sony as they learned even with the original XBOX that they could not tame the PS2 fans enough to gain the market share. They wanted to be the first in and more than likely, they will try and do the same with the next console. First one out the gate “wins” theory. It will be as always a majority rules market. The majority will not always target the same thing within their own group. Some will like it for its controls. Some will like it for its library. That is what makes it so important to hammer out the whole system and not focus squarely on one attribute of the system. Market share is easier to hold if you have all the bells and whistles.
Sony made a few bad choices too. While blu ray does have a great storage capacity, to achieve similar read speeds to a DVD, the disc has to be optimized and that seems to have only happened in a handful of games tops. And then there’s the PSP Go… Need I go there?
Nintendo and MS have also tried a few things, some more successful than others, and while we can see drawbacks now, perhaps it only means a stronger next generation of consoles. The thought of a blu ray drive with higher read speeds has me drooling as does the thought of digital distribution (so long as the content is there and there’s multiple paying options).
As far as the present goes I’m expecting psn premium to cause an upset depending on how good it is. Really it’s only the online/interface and games that still have me liking the 360 so much and from what I’m seeing so far it looks like the ps3 may have already won this year gameswise so long as the choice games are released. It will be an interesting year I think…
Silver,
Yours is Pool of Radiance, mine is Gears of War on PC, not because it’s a bad game, but because it’s a good game I could never play. It refused to work on my more than adequate gaming rig (copes with Crysis on good settings) crashing after no more than 5 minutes. Even after being patched it was still unplayable.
I kinda get where you’re going with the Blu-Ray optimisation thing, but I put that down to the developers, & not Sony. I agree wholeheartedly with you about the PSP Go though. What were Sony thinking. Surely the whole benefit of going download only is cheaper games as you pay a lot more for the console. Maybe the PSP go will be brilliant in a couple of years, after all the PS3 didn’t exactly set the world alight when it was released.
LOL Did gears of war attempt to format your harddrive when you attempted to uninstall it?
That was Pool of Radiance in a nutshell.
lol how did your elite die 5 times? im not saying that red ring is your fault (all the time), but i still think maybe around 50 percent of failures ( with the falcon and jasper chipsets) are the owners fault. i had a limited edition halo 3 console, with the old chipset (zephr????), and it lasted 2 years, it only broke because i played it on a 35 degree day ( celcius, not fahrenheit) for about 9 hours just after i gave it a 1 hour break from an all nighter. now im not sure whether a ps3 would have burned out either, but im sure most consoles other than the ps2 slim and the wii would have burned out. in australia, obviously our summers are stinking hot and the hot days are many and consecutive, but i think my xbox 360 burned out due to a lack of respect or care from me. but i was playing non stop and i couldnt give a damn or spare a thought for the possibility of it burning out.
oh well, just my experience.
I’m still amazed that “some” 360 defenders (fanbosy) make out that a fair portion of failures are down to owners not taking care of their consoles. The 360 has been proven to have a stupidly high failure rate in it’s past. It’s also been proven that part of this is due to inadequate heat dissapation, ie dodgy heatsinks, fans, & poor airflow design. If you can buy a 360 & a PS3 in Oz, then you should expect them to work in all weather/temperature conditions. If MS can’t supply a product that works reliably in your country because of the ambient temperature, then they shouldn’t sell it there, end of!
I’ve had my PS3 left on all day with the heating on full blast, & yes the fan ramps up to 360 levels, but at least it’s noisy for a reason – it just keeps on going. Should I have to turn my TV or PC off after a set period. My PC CPU runs at around 25-35 degrees C, & it was built by a 30 something bloke with no I.T. buildy bodgy putty together techno qualifications. Surely a multi billion dollar corporation can design something a little better than me. I know there’s restrictions because of size, but Sony managed it, & put the PSU in there as well.
In theory this should be mostly a thing of the past with the Jaspers, but please 360 fanboys …….. STOP DEFENDING BAD HARDWARE FROM A SHIFTY COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!! Defend the games, defend the controller design, defend Xbox Live, cross game chat & Netflix if you must, but stop arguing the case for the unarguable.
i wasnt simply defending microsoft, and im no fanboy. it is a fact that “some” consoles break due to lack of care. and im just stating that i am not mad at microsoft for my console getting rrod as i had a week of stupidly hot temperatures and the xbox was on for the majority of the time. pretty much all day and night with little breaks in between. when this is going on for like 7 days, then i think you cant blame microsoft. i mean, i have had like many ps2′s, and even in their manuals, it says you should only play in 2 hour intervals with 45 minute breaks inbetween. and the ps2 slims are freaking tiny. so what would you expect from a bigger built console such as the xbox 360? so thankyou for your statement, but i think you took it the wrong way.
A lor of owners DO mistreat their consoles and when a console is prone to overheating and the like, getting your console covered in dust might just put the nail in the coffin.
And though I agree with you that some 360s failing are due to the hardware going, you have to admit, 5 elites dying is a bit of a stretch. Australia and many electronics don’t mix btw. I have a mate who bought a smart phone that would shutdown at extreme temperatures and he could never turn the thing on here in summer. That is rediculous…
The real problem for Australians is we tend to get the dregs from elsewhere and very few people are willing to change the design of a device for us specifically. It’s BS but there isn’t exactly anything Aussies can do about it short of having air-con on 24/7 but that costs a small fortune and an even bigger fortune when the air con decides to die.
let me clarify my comment above and the “5 deaths” my elite experienced,
the first problem was a grating noise when a disc was spinning, this happened after the first week and the problem was the disc tray not aligned properly due to some mishap in handling, it was’nt MS’s fault, my fault or the stores fault, it was the fault of the people trusted with it’s delivery to the store, regardless of whose fault i was sans 360 for a week.
secondly i had a semi RROD, 2 lights, an overheating problem, – the solution was to buy an additional fan which i did, even though my 360 was in the centre of the room unblocked by any wall or other potential air blockage, my PS3 was side by side with it, maybe that was the problem, the PS3 greedily sucking all the air from the surrounding atmosphere to deny the 360 but i doubt it.
thirdly i had problems with the wireless adaptor which dropped in and out of coverage signing me out mid game and having to go back to the dashboard to reconfigure the connection, seeing as line connection was not an option i was compelled to buy one of them twin aerial wireless adaptors which helped. (the PS3 remember, is side by side with the 360 and it’s wireless never suffered).
number four – read failure, certain discs would be read as DVD, this was rectified when i ejected and closed the tray again until the next disc was inserted and had to repeat the “eject/close” process, this problem was unresolved as shortly after this i had problems with the battery brick, (problem n0. 5) which decided not to function which brought me to the brink of dropkicking the 360 around the room, i hesitated and calmly repackaged the 360 and brought it to the shop from whence it came, they agreed i was having a bad time with it so they agreed to relieving me of it.
in between these failures i reacquainted myself with the PS3, I had never used it too much owing to my xbox preference, it dawned on me that i was ignoring a superior machine and was impressed by it’s online play which i never utilized beforehand, it remained problem free during them times my xbox was getting nursed back to health,
as i have said, none of the xbox problems were drastic, no full RROD but my decision was financial, do i continue throwing money at the xbox to prolong it’s life or content myself with a reliable, fun console which as so far (*touches wood,) has not let me down………
xbox 360 are clearly more unreliable. Saying 360 owners mistreat there consols is an insult to all 360 owners. Its like calling all 360 owners dip-sticks, for gods sake.
You have to assume that a minority mistreat there 360, PS3, WII, PC etc. And the reliabilty issues with the 360 must be totally warranted.
I totally agree with kaden101 about designing a model to should work in the country its being sold in.
Well how about you convince electronics manufacturers to make models of their appliances specifically for Australians then?
I’d be behind your efforts, even if I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t do shit.
strangely enough i also have the wii which has given me no problems whatsoever…..
that’s because it hasn’t been switched on since the week i bought it….LOL
Lol savo.
I am sure 360 and ps3 must get tons more punishment than the wii with all the addictive online games. I don’t switch my wii on too much either. The only game I play on the wii is Tiger Woods but I can’t help think that might be more interesting if there was a mini game in it where by you were chased by his wife with a golf club.
To Silver,
Maybe I am being unrealistic to expect electronics like this to work in extreme temperatures. I think electonics designer should give it more attention though. Maybe a seperate fan perefferal (official) for hot climates. I am no expert though. The machines have the same warranty no matter where they are sold so it would be in maufatures interests. I am sure they are probaly doimg the best they can. Trouble is its just not good enough yet.
I got a custom case that houses both the internals of one of my ps3s and one of my 360s. It’s a decent size but everything seems to stay cool and it’s conveniant.
Trouble was I haven’t seen a good one designed to hold them both plus a wii…
Only downside is saying goodbye to my warrenties. Lol
I’ve had my elite now for just over a year, I’ve played with it for 7/8 hours at a go and never had a problem. I always chuck the games I’m playing straight onto the hard drive so there’s not so much noise when playing (lets face it it is very noisy if you play from the disk) and of course less heat generated. As for the Blu-Ray films debate, I watched loads of HD films now on the Zune application and so get to watch some great films in full 1080 complete with surround sound. Ok so I’m limited to what’s on Zune at the time but there’s always a great choice and the streaming words great even at my relatively low 5meg average broadband speed or I’ll just leave a film to download in full overnight. Before I played on the 360 I was going to get the PS3 and nothing else, I was PS3 all the way having had a PS2 but after playing it, I found it felt a bit sterile it didn’t excite me as much as the slightly more raw Xbox. Either way I wouldn’t be without my Xbox now, I just keep it very clean and dust free, and away from any other heat sources and it keeps going and going.
my objective was never to insult all xbox 360 owners as i would have said ” all xbox 360 owners mistreat their console and its not microsofts fault at all”.
i believe i said “some”. which might ( Big might here) differ from your accusation.
aside from this, i thought you meant your xbox 360 elite rrod 5 times. whether it was a jasper or not that is a ridiculous amount of times to get rrod. though through your clarification, im satisfied.
You guys have been busy! : )
I am going to have to point out one fact that kills the finger pointing at the user fault of 360 failures. Certainly it is possible to mistreat a console and get a problem. Looking at what has been said though no one is saying that their PS3 failed because they did any of the same things that they did with the 360.
I personally have had my PS3 on for consecutive days without heat issues. The fan cycles to bring down the temperature when it hits a certain level and then ramps down to move minimal air until that same temperature level is hit. So does that mean that all the PS3 owners are the better, more sensible gamer? Nope, it just means that the design works. Look at how the internals are. The PS3 moves more air with less noise because of the internal mounting position of the fan right on top of the heatsink. The 360 on the other hand is a case mounted fan with a shroud over the entire chip array. It pulls air from all the contained board but not directly off the sink. Look at how computers are designed. Outside of the aftermarket liquid coolers, every system has direct fan placement on the heatsinks of the GPU and CPU. It makes since and is more effecient/effective than a case fan. Case fans are used to further decrease case ambient temperatures.
I noticed Geoff stated he used the HDD to keep it cooler. This is not actually going to work. HDD are the #3 heat producers in a pc. They are the same on your 360. The fact that it is a top or side mount (depends on how you have your case set) will help some but for the most part the fact that you have one on it is blocking a vent in the first place. Horrid design on MS’s part. They should have made the drive offset of the case and made a vent underneath the drive to allow it to breathe. My friends HDD died because of heat from the 360 building up on his drive (he stood his vertical). There are gripes on the PS3 as well but I cannot believe anyone would blame themselves for poor engineering. Sure you can prevent its failure. Just go buy liquid nitrogen and keep it at -200 degrees or build a mod case and make the cooling better. MS just didn’t QA the actually running of the machine. They know people will do all nighters, they just wanted to have Live and marketshare so bad that QA was thrown out for profit. It cost them and they know it, but they got what they wanted…..for now.
Whoops, I started off the reliability sh*tstorm again. Sorry.
No, Silver, Gears of War didn’t try to format my HDD, that’s really bad. On the other hand, you should be able to play a game on Windows using Live for Windows, designed for Windows, but that says something about MS.
Sorry for referring to your as a fanboy dingdong. An interesting point you raised though is that you stated that the 360 is a “bigger built console”, Surely the fact that it’s bigger means there should be more room inside to adequately arrange heat venting. It isn’t like it’s got the heat from a PSU in there either.
Deman, I don’t think you’re expecting too much at all for a product to work in the country that it’s sold in, & Microsoft obviously didn’t try their best. As I pointed out earlier, if I can build a PC that runs cool, then MS should have been able to design a games console that vents heat at a reasonable pace. Apart from that, there’s all the other problems they’ve had in the past, E74, scratchy badly aligned DVD drives, read errors, etc. So it’s not all down to temperature. Fingers crossed that’s all behind 360 owners now (or at least Jasper owners).
I stand by my belief that a company shouldn’t sell a product that can’t be used in the environment it’s sold in. Wherever that is. Maybe I’m just picky.
well knowing the reliability issues wuth the xbox 360′s so far, i should have known better.
one of my older brothers owns a ps3, as he got the original playstation (psx/ps1) and the ps2 the first days they came out, and his favourite game on ps2 was killzone, so he inevitably was going to get a ps3. another one of my older brothers doesnt want to get a ps3, but wants/ doesnt want an xbox 360. what i mean is, he would like to have an xbox that he could play non stop without it overheating. so this is stopping him from getting one, especialyy with the recent rrod of my console. him being a nintendo fan since the very early days, or the earliest for that matter, was dissapointed with his wii. as you all know, nintendo used to have RARE wroking for the N64. he was also dissapointed at microsoft( aka moneybags) for taking RARE. in my opinion, RARE was the best on the N64. ( Goldeneye, banjo kazooie 1 and 2, perfect dark.) he owned all of these games and thought they were the best ( which at the time they were, and still are very enjoyable.). the most favourable game, Conkers bad fur day, which he paid 130 dollars for when it first came out.
in my opinion, microsoft hasnt done well with RARE. the new perfect darks arent as solid, only a mediocre banjo nuts and bolts and where is conker? since live and reloaded, i havnt seen or heard anything of it since.
well, anyway, i rambled on too long and now it doesnt make sense.
Many people may say that when you send your 360 in you receive great customer support and you have it back in a few weeks. However, in my case I just about had the worst customer support ever. My Xbox from late 2008 Rrod and I sent it in. A week later I received my Xbox 360 back and I was so excited to start playing it again. I open the box and I see a letter there and I look at the letter and it says something similar to this: “Sorry, but we were unable to repair you Xbox 360 because it has more than just the Rrod problem.” I scanned my Xbox, and had never touched it before or opened it up so in my mind it should be fine and it is just the Rrod problem. I did some research, however, and found out that the only reason Microsoft did not fix my Xbox is because their was dust on the inside of it. I opened it while trying to fix it my self and there was mountains of dust and this was the only reason they did not fix it. What kind of customer service is that?
So finally I decided to get the new sleak 120gb ps3 Slim which works awesome! And does not have all that noise! :)
If you’re going to be using any PC/PC like console in a dusty environment, compressed air is your best friend. Though preferably you don’t want to be using it in a dusty environment at all.
I did a little research of my own as I’ve rarely heard of problems with MS tech support other than the occasional lengthy wait for repairs. I didn’t find any cases of a console being too dusty to be repaired and in general it seemed like mostly modified or tampered with consoles were the ones they wouldn’t repair. Considering I’ve got mates who’ve had their out of warranty period 360s fixed and even the occasional one showing definete signs of user misuse, MS tech support seem pretty leniant. Perhaps it’s the tech support in your area? Either way I wouldn’t mind seeing your sources on not fixing a dusty unit.
Sony tech support also seem to have their act up here too now with most things, but I’ve noticed they can still be pretty slack with promotions. Like those ‘download a theme and meet conditions and get free PSP Go game/s’ style promotions.
@Brandon.
i recently sent my xbox in for repair, and im pretty sure it specifies somewhere that they dont have to repair mistreated, opened or dusty xbox’s. or something like the insides cant have any dust, or that foam crap thats supposed to cushon packages.
i can recall been regaled with tales of microsofts friendly speedy service by employees in the local gamestop i frequent, this was prior to me buying a xbox.
they told me horror stories of PS3′s breaking down and sony refusing to fix them and MS taking back all broken 360′s and repairing within a week, sony was a nightmare apparently.
(i can remember saying to them with slight sarcasm that microsoft have experience in the field of return and repair. )
unfortunately for me, all these assurances of a speedy resolution by the gamestop crew seemingly did not extend to me, as for some reason as i was waiting weeks when i first encountered problems and then encountered more as the weeks ran on and the failures of the 360 began mounting..maybe it was the recession that hampered my repair??
as of yet i have not had the opportunity to test these diatribes against sony’s aftersales service.
the staff in the gamestop are self confessed 360 fanboys and have been reprimanded when a “mystery shopper” went in one day and was practically forced to ignore the PS3, so with cynicism i can only suggest that the only argument 360 fanboys have to counteract these “RROD, failure rate..etc etc” arguments is to suggest that microsoft have a magic 360 repair wand and if yours breaks……don’t worry, MS will sort it out.
anyone play MAG?
good game, no lag, no long queue for connection but fails monumentally on gameplay, whoever thought that teamwork in a game would take so much effort, everyone i’ve played against so far is more interested in their own kill ratio and stats than actually playing the game as it was intended,
mission 1: defend the base.
some random player, probably called “xX5t34lth a55a551n78Xx” :bollox to that, i’m going to go over here and snipe the opposition as they spawn, maybe camp out in the long grass and shoot unsuspecting players as they run by.
mission 2: attack the base.
xX5t34lth a55a551n78Xx: – “bollox to that, i’m going to go over here and snipe the opposition as they spawn, maybe camp out in the long grass and shoot unsuspecting players as they run by.
mission 2: steal the enemies vehicle.
xX5t34lth a55a551n78Xx: – “bollox to that, i’m going to go over here and snipe the opposition as they spawn, maybe camp out in the long grass and shoot unsuspecting players as they run by.”
repeat to fade………..
annoying.
I had an experience with Sony tech support a while. The people I talked to didn’t seem very well trained compared to the majority of people I’ve spoken to at other companies. That said, the failure rate of the PS3 is that much lower that it very well might be less experience for the tech support people.
MAG I’m still yet to purchase, but I played it at my mate’s place earlier today and it was great. I live fairly rural so the net connections here are usually quite dodgy but MAG didn’t do too badly especially compared with some of the games we normally play down here. I think it was because we don’t really take our shooters too seriously though. If we did I can see how players like your hypothetical one might be quite annoying. lol
And to all PS3 gamers in general,
http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/
can I get a ‘HELL YEAH, HOME BREW!!!’ ?
it’s a bitch of a game :)
i’m playing it since friday and am still level 4, i’m just using the assault rifle but it’s getting increasingly irritating, i have stayed away from the sniper rifle unlike 99% of the other players and just “run and gun”, any stops and it’s the proverbial “BOOM…….HEADSHOT”,
pausing to look down the site ultimately ends with some chap 3 mile away hiding behind some digital trees blowing a ventilation hole in your cerebral cortex which dissolves the game into some nonsensical cagey stealth affair as you crawl across the map from bush to wall to building filled with deep trepidation wondering if some camper has you in his sights, even your supposed team mates emerge from spawning and take up position with their rifles and have their own private battle with the enemy snipers, regardless that the objective is further down the map, somebody make a WW1 shooter for these guys, they can then crouch and take pot shots at each other for 4 years and just wander into no mans land occasionally..
maybe i’m no good at it????……nah, it’s the other picnic warriors. :)
from what I’v seen of MAG so far it doesn’t impress me at all. My opinion. It might get better if i play it more
God this thread is getting stupid, you ALL need to learn a few things:-
1, NEW xbox 360′s rarely if ever fail through heat sink issues,
2, ALL electrical equipment has a recommended operating temperature so all those of you who play your ps3′s for 3 days straight, you are dicing with death,
3, the xbox 360 was the first of its generation, and did suffer problems, but then so do many gadgets that are new (iphone, dvd recorders, et all)
4, BOTH consoles instructions give Important pointers that the console should NOT be left on for too long due to overheating.
5, i have owned both the ps3 and the 360, my 360 was 3 and a half years old before it got rrod, however my ps3 was unreliable, crashing often in the middle of games or web browsing, the internet connection of ps3 for online gaming is at best sketchy, but then you get what you pay for, the end result, i only used my ps3 for blu ray playing, so i sold it, and bought a blu ray player instead, and you know what, i dont miss it one bit.
You clearly know nothing about chips. If you take any cpu and remove the heatsink and fan you will notice that it will turn to smoke in less than 2 seconds of being powered on. All cpus get hot. The temperature in the room would have to be in excess of the internal temperature of the chip itself. Yes you will eventually hit a near zero point dissipation at too high a temperature. That would take record desert temperatures on a properly built cpu with a heatsink and good cooling fan (or other method of cooling).
No one is saying the Jasper edition is as bad as the old chips. It is still not as reliable as the cell. The fact that you had it happen the other way around is mere chance. Nothing is perfect we know, the problem with your argument is that you assume that the experience you had holds true to all. It is beyond belief for you to see that MS had a record failure rate on the 360. That is fact, regardless of your belief. It is relevant to the vs. arguments as quality as a whole is something to think about in this purchase. So who is needing to learn things? You obviously need to learn that people should know where things are coming from before they buy them.
Look at Toyota today. In this worldwide economic downturn they were making headway. The recalls they just had are linked to cheapening the design and manufacturing of their lines. Wouldn’t you give them credit for the years of quality or is the single year of flaws all you see? I know Toyota is a good brand. I would buy one, I just wouldn’t buy one on the list of recalls. Same goes for the non-Jaspers.
As for shutting down due to heat. I ask anyone that has both or one to listen to the fan as it changes speed. Notice the length of time your fan is ramped up versus the amount of time it is “idled”. I use quotes on idle because that is going to change when the cpu is functioning for games. The typical ramp up for any cpu cooling fan will be around 4 times the base “idle”. If you never notice the ramping, you are stressing the cooling system. Shut that system down on occasion. If it is cycling with great frequency then all systems are more than likely good to go. The idle time may be only 1 minute long. You have to see that the fan can actually cool it to a designated point of operation. This temp is different with each cpu type.
lol picnic warriors. they can ruin many games.
well, after my xbox 360 died, i was thinking id get a ps3(also). then i just bought an elite xbox 360 and my other xbox is in repairs. i might get a ps3 soon depending on how well this MAG game is. it looks pretty awesome on youtube, and xbox hasnt brought out a good shooter in a while. plus, my brother will be getting it soon so may as well join the club eh?
btw, my brother wants to know if God Of War 3 also comes with number 1 and 2 also. he already has them, but he figures it’d be more convenient plus maybe enhanced resolution?
looks like blu ray will be at work not only with good of war 3 but possibly with 1 and 2 added on a disc?
seeeya
I don’t think God of War 1 and 2 come with the normal edition of the game, but there’s an edition contained in a chest you could preorder from ebgames that looks mad, has PS3 versions of both games and a wealth of other nice items. Or you could import the God of War collection from NA right away, I’ve seen a few less patient people do that despite the lack of goodies. =D
i got involved with a few games yesterday with people who actually played it properly and used the squad system, squad leaders were issuing commands and patrol leaders directing us, they OIC threatened to kick anybody who was not using their mic from the game.
there was proper communication and direction, heavy machine gunners were asked to lay down suppressing fire, medics were asked to hang back with sniper rifles and then rush forward to heal fallen comrades, there was requests for grenades to be thrown into certain areas……. :)
it was a totally different experience and 100% enjoyable,
the review for MAG in a PS3 magazine stated that the success of the game depended on the people playing it, i was getting annoyed after the first few games but it’s an absolute joy when playing with people who appreciate it.
SONY-HARDWARE COMPANY, VS MICROSOFT-SOFTWARE COMPANY. I WITNESSED ALOT OF CRITICISM OF MICROSOFT BECAUSE OF AN ARCHITECHTUAL HARDWARE DESIGN FLAW. BIG DEAL. MY XBOX PRO SYSTEM BUILT IN 2007 GOT THE RROD 4 WEEKS AGO AFTER OVER 2 YEARS; SENT IT IN 2 WEEKS AGO AND RECEIVED IT BACK TODAY. BY THE WAY ALL SERVICES FOR FREE, NOW THAT’S SERVICE. THESE COMMENTS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT BUSINESS ECONOMICS. IT SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT THE XBOX 360 VS THE PS3. XBOX SOFTWARE COMPANY VS PS3 HARDWARE COMPANY. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION THE XBOX INTERFACE DASHBOARD KNOCKS THE PS3s OUT OF THE BOX LITTERALY. THERE IS REALLY NO COMPARISON UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING BLUERAY HARDWARE OF WHICH BLUERAY PLAYERS BY MANY COMPANIES ARE ALL UNDER $250 DOLLARS EXCEPT FOR SONY OF COURSE ($300). ALL OF WHICH HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE SAME FEATURES AS THE PS3 BLUERAY PLAYER. WHEN I PURCHASE A VIDEO GAMING SYSTEM, I AM DOING SO TO HAVE THE MOST ENTERTAINING EXPERIENCE THAT I COULD IMAGINE HAVING, AND XBOX 360 DOES THAT FOR ME, THANKS. P.S. I OWN BOTH SYSTEMS.
If you hadn’t typed in CAPS no one would have read your post!
My eyes, they burn.
Not going to chip in here as I’m still in the market for one of these two creatures… would love to see a “three years later” article!
I know nothing about PS3 or XBOX. I dont want to play any games. All I need is to be able to stream media (all possible formats) from my external hard drive and the ones from my PCs on the network onto my HDTV. Basically it should allow me to connect my External HDD to it via USB/eSata. It should play files from my PC thats connected to the wireless network. I should be able to access the HDD on my PC without physically connecting it to the PC.. but through the media player. Something like WDTV Live.. but more stable.. for this purpose which is better… PS3 or XBOX 360?
You really don’t want either if gaming isn’t important. There are standalone devices that will greatly outperform both of them, particularly in which formats they can read and input methods. I recommend looking them up on a tech site, reading the reviews and going from there. Depending on how much you’re willing to spend you can have some really great setups these days.
Thanks for the response. I had read a lot of reviews on many such media players such as WDTV live, Aus O!Play, Egreat. Popcorn hour and the list goes on.. however, almost all of them have some problem or other.. Either issues with networking, bad GUIs, or lack of support for certain file types etc. many suggest using XBox or PS3 with XBMC or similar media center GUIs.. Thats how my search came to this….
i love americans. because they sue so much ( stereotype………..or is it) they scared microsoft so that they had to offer excellent service when dealing with an rrod error.( im my opinion and others i know). this is great as you mentioned, FREE repair and reply paid post so you dont have to pay postage either. im glad people stand up to these ‘untouchable” transnational corporations or else id be out 150 bucks for repair:).
anyways, cant wait to see god of war 3. although i do not have one, my brother does and this along with MAG might entice me into buying a ps3 soon. i loved prince of persia ( the trilogy) on ps2, although god of war was somehow better. one of the best games on the ps2. i recently bought prince of persia 1 ( the sands of time) and 2 (warrior within) for xbox so i could play them on my xbox 360. loved sands of time as i used to, bloody brilliant. but, piss on me backwards compatibility i couldnt play the second. thats pretty annoying as i bought it expecting to play it again. i also heard the 3rd( Two thrones) isnt backwards compatible with the xbox 360 either. id love to see them become playable, but i heard the xbox 360 backwards compatibility team is over.
anyone know about this,?
is it true that no more original xbox games are being made backwards compatible with the xbox 360? i hope to god they are, because i really want to play them.
Yes we americans are sue happy. I will be suing you for slander next week!!!! : )
Consumer rights is a big deal in the states. It is noteworthy though that becoming a lawyer, you will meet with satan and arrange a few predetermined victories to justify the 8 or more years of law school. : )
i’d sue for the comment composed in CAPS LOCK, it forced my brain to shout unnecessarily into my synapses when decoding it :)
Hi all i’m a xbox 360, ps3, wii owner and ive had reliability isssues with both :(
xbox- well i think its been mostly covered with mabye the exception of the open tray fault.
my 360 is out of warranty and m$ wants £92 for repair,now i can pick up a pre-owned console for less than that,
however the ps3 isnt without its niggles eithier, first one i bought (brand new 60gb) requierd a update, after the update the console would’nt recognise blu-ray discs, dvd’s fine, music fine, NO blu-ray so i return to the shop got a refund and bought a pre-owned 80gb for £60 less. Network adapter never worked (this could bedown to the previous owner???) so i trudge back to the store rather unhappy and had it replaced by a 160gb free of charge for inconviniance :) so far no probs, but im not looking forward to the next update.
on whole though to be honest i dont think i could do without either of them.
DAMN YOU SONY-SOFT!!
ok guys i have a question. I want a pair of gaming headphones hopefully with surround sound. Can you recommend any good ones? Any experience with them? They must be compatible with PS3. I saw an Earforce HPX and they sounded good but are they compatible with PS3? Sorry i know it’s off topic but thanks in advance if you know anything.
ok guys i have a question. I want a pair of gaming headphones hopefully with surround sound. Do you know any good ones and have you any experience with them? They must be compatible with PS3. I saw a pair called Earforce HPX. Are they good and are they compatible with PS3? Sorry i know this is off topic but any responses would be great thanks in advance
sorry for double post
the “Ear Force P21 Gaming Headset for PlayStation 3″
http://www.hawkee.com/shop/prod/6599201/reviews/
they cost about £60, they’re pretty bulky, they’re wired but they are fantastic.
thanks savo, i need a pair that will let me hear whats going on behind me
I think both have their pros and cons, but if you can afford it, buy both! The two combined make for a perfect team. I’m picking up my ps3 when I get paid next week, and the following week getting the xbox.
Firstly, where is this years article!!
Would be interesting to see if you have preference now or not.
One point which seems to be sorely missed by PS3 marketers is the TCO (Total cost of ownership) of the Xbox 360 is far greater than the PS3. $50.00 a year online, that is $300.00 over an expected 6 year life of the machine. So essentially the 360 is the more expensive unit.
I think the PS3 has made huge strides in 2009 with the live service and multiplayer issues, all that is needed now is a decent driving game to compete with Forza, lets hope GT5 doesn’t get put out until 2011………
My xbox live gold membership just expired this month and I won’t be renewing it, its just not worth it in my opinion. Only going to use my xbox 360 for exclusive titles such as the fantastic Mass effect 2 and all multiformat games i’ll get on the ps3 from now on, mainly because its free to play ps3 online and i can buy dlc from PSN with a Maestro card that xbox live stupidly does not accept.
……….and the rumour that mass effect 1 &2 is coming to PS3.
According to vgchartz.com worldwide sales for last month for ps3 and xbox are:
ps3 203,836
xbox 360 166,948
Total worlwide sale are
ps3 31.76m
xbox 360 37.64m
Now considering the xbox 360 had a head start and if like me when i got rrod in the past i just purchased a new one rather than going without console for a few weeks to get it fixed, is the user base for the xbo 360 really that much bigger than the ps3? Has the bubble finaly burst for microsoft dominance over ps3?
Also worth a mention that total worldwide sales for the wii,ds and psp are:
wii 67.28m
ds 124.81m (bloody hell thats high!)
psp 53.85m
Not sure how acurate these figures are though, so the best console is wii and the best handheld is ds……….wtf………well maybe not, i have i wii and it hasn’t been turned on in months. Sale figures aren’t everything, its all down to the games in the end i suppose.
bloody wii :)
a lot of people waited for the price of the PS3 to drop before getting one and the slim PS3 would have helped sales.
please dont get me started on how much noise those fucking things make too……my ps3 is dead silent. xbox owners are still in denial wow mine, which i bought may of last year broke broke in less then 4 month its still in the closet and right at this second im on my ps3 writing ………..this console is great unfortunately the 4 hundred dollars on games not including the wifi shit, controllers, live cards, add ons, extra headsets, controllers charger and keyboard are in the closet too. and telling me to get it serviced is like telling me to go buy a toyota lol. y keep giving shit a second chance and actually the toyota problem already got fixed n the 360 still sucks
I got an xbox 360, it rrod’ed in 2 weeks flat. Never going back.
ps3 seems better coz i dont have much extra budget to spend on stuff, so the free wi-fi looks good.
Its obvious that M$ are moneybags coz u pay 50 dollars for live and 100 dollars for wi-fi reciver, while u get this free with ps3.
also, if ur xbx rrod’s, then u need to pay 50 or so dollars to gt a reciver to use the cntroller on windows. sony’s bluetooth rules.
Interesting reading. I’ve been gaming since 1982 and have grown up with all of the playstation incarnations and could have been described as a ps fanboy. However I now own both consoles (and a wii) and use the 360 more. 2 reasons
I prefer the 360 selection of exclusive games.
I prefer to test my skills against real players online and find that the sony online exp is a poor comparison to the 360. Yes the 360 costs more but sometimes it is worth spending the extra $$!!!
FYI I have had the rrod once but not for over 3 years. Not great but still not a bad return for the amount of use!
@ ps3/sony fanboys. now i know the rrod sucks and it happens to many people, but how come so many ps3 fanboys use it as an excuse to say the ps3 is better. Now i dont want to accuse people of being fanboys, but there have been a few people, ( which have made it clear they love the ps3) and they make up over the top stories like ” my xbox rrod in two weeks”. now, tyhat might have been preowned? and another ” my xbox **jasper** rrod 5 times in a year. i just think ps3 people ( not all, some) like too make up tall stories about how their xbox 360 transformed into an evil rrod demon terrorising the planet and causing the recession and the massacre of over 6 million jewish people during 1939-1945, which, is impossible. but that is my whole point.
im not trying to take a hit at ps3 owners, im just saying you can make a console and its respective company’s service sound way worse than it actually is quite easily. for instance:
“my ps3 broke down 32 times in the first year, then i rang sony so they could repair it, and they told me to get fu*&ed. then some sony employees came round to my house and raped my mother and broke my back. they then ran off with my car. im never buying a ps3 again. xbox rules. nothing bad ever happens too it and ive had it for 56 years now.”
“my cousin also said sony tried to charge him $50000 for repair on the ps3″. the xbox online is way better, and the games are too, and the graphics are like 300 times better.”
well, see what i meea. my whole point is some people “experiences” are a bit excessive, and i think they know it too. and they know who they are.
I want to know what you think about the comparison between Xbox 360 and the new slim version of the PS3? Is it still the same three years later?
@ 360/Microsoft fanboys. now i know the PS3 online kinda sucks and many people know it, but how come so many 360 fanboys use it as an excuse to say the 360 is better. Now i dont want to accuse people of being fanboys, but there have been a few people, (who have made it clear they love the xbox) and they make up over the top stories like ” my ps3 can only connect to the internet on Wednesdays”. now, that might have been down to your router? and another ” my ps3 **original 60GB** ylod 5 times in a year. i just think 360 people (not all, some) like too make up tall stories about how their PS3 transformed into a useless ylod internet avoiding demon that couldn’t terrorise the planet if it wanted because it couldn’t connect, and wanted to cause the recession and tried to massacre hundreds of thousands of Japanese people in August 1945, which was impossible as it had signed itself out of the PSN Network, & was essentially impotent, but that is my whole point.
I’m not trying to take a hit at 360 owners, im just saying you can make a console and its respective company’s service sound way worse than it actually is quite easily. for instance:
“my 360 rrod 75 gazillion times in the first month, then i rang Microsoft so they could repair it, and they told me to take it up the botty, then some Miscrofot employees came round to my house and tried to give me a cuddle, & smothered me with their pleasure pillows. They then ran off with my children, which I’m sure they are using as slave labour in some sub par assembly line, I’m never buying a 360 again. Books rule. nothing bad ever happens to my books, & I don’t even know where they are right now.”
“my Uncle seven times removed also said that Microsoft tried to charge him nothing to repair his 360 which is obviously a sign of poor quality service & a desire not to be sued if they daren’t even charge for it. PS3 reliability is way better, and the games are too, and the graphics are like a bajillion times better.”
Well, see what i mean. My whole point is some people like to take the piss & make an assumption that everyone who is a PS3 owner is lying about their experience with a 360 to make it sound much worse than it is. I’m sure some people are, but going off on a rant about PS3 owners when 360 owners are just as quilty of this kind of behaviour is a bit out there. You know who you are.
Just thought I’d provide a bit of balance to your argument.
PS3′s online has gotten a lot better. Blu ray is still failing for read times though.
GIVE ME MY DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION GAMES BYPASSING DRIVE LIMITATIONS BITCHES!
There, I said it.
It’s not that much slower over the spectrum of the disc. Properly done, Blu-Ray has the storage capabilities in its faster read areas for seamless gameplay like they did in UC2. As I recall there is not a HDD install for that game and it plays very well. As I am sure I have said before the developers just have to actually attempt to make a good game.
my nintendo wii can transorm in2 optimus prime and eet ps3s and xbox 360s for breakfast it also has bultin sharks with friggin lazerbeams attashed to theer heads as periferals
@kaden.
wow, you really are a loser.
you are a joke. i said some ps3 owners, and i have been reading this thread for longer than you have. over a year, and yes, i actually used semi quotes. not word for word, but a few within the last couple of months. you are sad loser who couldnt accept that, i never said anything bad about the ps3 at all. im im sure some 360 owners are like that. but i dont recall someone here saying their ps3 died 5 times.
you are sad, i pitty you, please leave this planet.
goodbye
oh and by the way, i think i made it perfectly clear the frst time. i said SOME ps3 FANBOYS. not all ps3 owneres are fanboys and then i said SOME of them. i just think kaden you are a girl. soo how long did it take you to copy what i did? that seriously is so pathetic. man, i cant believe someone would go through al of that trouble because they had no real defence. oh well, i just hope i dont ever run into someone as lame as you.
haha Kaden that was awesome!!! Anyways, I think Year 3 of this article needs to come out, because after 18 pages of comments 1 YEAR LATER we need some new ammo to use.
oh btw, my XBox ylod’d on me and now my PS3 has RROD’d on me as well! Yeah you heard me! Wii all the way puppies!!!!
Your Wii had puppies too??!!
OMG PUPPY FRIENDS!
Ok I’m a huge fanboy when it comes to the xbox 360.
The PS3 seems to try too hard to beat the xbox and the amount of power in that huge black colossas known as the PS3 is way too overkill. Not once has my xbox ever required more processing power than it currently has. For me the ps3 reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger back in his muscle man days and it’s just too much.
I would definitely like to see another of these articles because this is the most unbiased one I have read on the net.
@ The Author: I think that if you are going to do a personal response at the end of your article then you need to take time to evaluate both consoles on the online multiplayer and the single player.
being a gamestop employee, i just figured id add my two cents. Here we are in february ’10 and i still have customers come in trying to return their rrod’d xbox they bought brand-new a month earlier. Not sure what the microsoft propaganda machine is pumping out but it really seems like the failure rate is still around 50%. Furthermore, i have never heard anyone bitch about batteries as much as some people do when complaining about their wireless controllers. i would never imagine having to change your batteries would create such anger, but alas, i must hear about it. Thats not to say i dont hear complaints about how the ps3 controller has trouble trying to reacquire the system when it has been used on another, or how psn lags. I bought my xbox a year before i bought my ps3 and i love it dearly, but it feels like the proverbial tortoise and hare. The xbox started with a bang (and what a bang it was) but has plateaued, in terms of sales and exclusive content. The ps3, being the tortoise, was at a serious disadvantage when it was released, but ever so slowly it has pushed the xbox out of the limelight. Ps3 sales are higher than ever and the exclusives are amazing and actually have variety. (gone are the days of a certain flagship fps…. /cry). The real solution to the MS vs. Sony debate is to buy each system…. even if one of them rise to the top and claim the throne, you will reap the rewards.
Fanboy mode kicked in,sorry
but when you said “Ps3 sales are higher than ever” I have to point out that in every year the xbox has outsold the ps3 so to be fair I don’t thinks it’s been pushed out of the limelight at all.
Currently there seems to be a lack in games for the ps3 now and nothing short of brilliance is being released for the xbox.
Plus the coming updates to NXE such as project natal and the already landed 1 vs 100 gameshow with real prizes is absoloutely breathtaking.
But, alas, I am a fanboy so my upinion doesn’t count lol.
‘Nothing short of brilliance’ is quite the over statement good sir. Granted, mass effect 2 is good but did you have any others in mind? probably not. and mass effect isnt really even an exclusive. even if i didnt have an xbox i could play it on a pc. i feel like something may have blinded you to the point of my comment. if both systems are locked in such a heated debate right now, imagine how next year is gonna turn out, or even the year beyond. when the cell processor is finally utilized and xbox is still grasping at the halo and gears of war straws. its used to be that xbox had the better exclusives (as its been said: “if you can even call them that”) now, its quite the opposite. xbox’s fps’ are trumped by ps3′s fps’. just look at halo and gears vs. killzone, resistance, and uncharted. heres a hint, no one gives a shit about halo or gears any more, but all you hear about is how ps3 exclusives are the “gold standard”.and im still not sure what you meant by “lack of games”. have you been in a video game store recently, or checked any sort of new release list? granted some of the new ps3 stuff has been seriously mediocre (mag, wkc) but at least its there. xbox has had nothing (aside from the previously mentioned ME2) in MONTHS. futhermore, god of war 3 has yet to come out and when it does it is expected to be a behemoth in terms of sales. Like i said, i love my xbox, but as a bi-consumer i honestly feel that xbox has passed the proverbial torch. i used to be excited to run out and buy a new xbox game, now its the other way around. and while xbox may be a more beautiful flower currently, keep in mind that ps3 has yet to bloom.
@dingdong,
Geez, have a sense of humour. You take yourself so seriously. “it….was….a…..joke”. I was being sarcastic. You do know what sarcastic is don’t you? You’re post was funny, & I have seen on lots of forums that they make out PS3 fanboys (before you kick off insulting folk again, that’s “fanboys”, not owners or gamers) are much worse than 360 fanboys, & they’re not. They’re exactly as retared & stupid regardless of what console they’ve got their dick stuck in. So I thought I’d parody your post, & reverse it. It’s hardly crime of the century. Overreact much?
Did you actually think I was being literal, & you call me a sad loser for having a sense of humour. You need to get over your own ego & self importance dingdong. I don’t care how long you’ve been reading & contributing to this forum. You’re opinion is no more or less important than anyone elses because of it.
Have a laugh, blow some bubbles out your arse, & take the mick out of somebody in a jovial & good natured way…..or be a prat if you really want, whatever works for you.
I’m sorry I didn’t think that was stupid at all I actually thought that was kinda funny
well you could have said that 2 years ago. but i think the ps3 has some good games out now. in the rating, looks like MAG was a bit of a fail, the reason being im told because the people on it are too self centered and dont do the objective. just a question, did people for ps3 actually start buying headsets? like ive heard that some people arent replying when being spoken too, but i though and ive been told that not many people on the ps3 have headsets, i mean when you compare it to the xbox, pretty much 99% of the people ive seen on there have had headsets.
i honestly think MAG would have been a EPIC success on the xbox because more people have headsets so it would have worked better. also, this is subjective but maybe they mght be better at team work as they are used to having headsets?? i dont know, but i love playing gears of war 1 still with my friend, and i could not imagine playing it without a headset. all of my games im a team player, and chatting and communication is necessary.
anyways, bioshock 2 is gonna be awesome. well not going to be, it is. just havnt tried online yet.
I think the headsets is just the 360 comes with a free one, the PS3 doesn’t.
Though I’ve noticed some games nearly everyone seems to have one, others it’s really quiet. Thankfully MAG seemed to be full of gamers with headsets last time I played so I had no probs.
lol bro when i ” overreacted” which i admit i did, i was pretty fkn wasted and felt on top of the world, like ” no cu*t is gonna fk with me. i mean my car got stolen after 2 damn weeks, no insurance as I just got it and left it in the driveway and some damn ps3 fanboy stole it(LOL). so i figured id get smashed heheh.
Anyway, my xbox runs out of waranty on the 25th of FEB. my xbox was supposed to be sent in 2 weeks ago, but i found out tuesday my damn brother didnt do it, as he said he did. ( Cause the drugs) so i sent it in wednesday, which means microsoft wont recieve it till like the 18 or the 20th. so they might leave it for 5 days and keep it or send it back un repaired. if they do, im going to become the angriest bastard ever.
ill shoot down to the shops so fast and get a ps3. i better get my console repaired, or else no more microsoft products ever again.
@LSKSK
i reckon its the other way round. im pissed off no xbox exclusives are coming out. god damn it. like halo reach then what??
i think the ps3 owners should be happy there getting a handful of games that look to be kickass **cough **cough GOD of War 3. Heavy Rain. MAG
but yeah MAG still looks awesome to play.
Blah Blah Blah what a bore!
You guys really have no arguments in your posts. You are talking preference to games and nothing more. You state this as if the 360 and PS3 makes the games. It is completely a battle of the devs at this point. Everything is becoming a wash for the most part. A few games do stand alone but they are prefered only by a select crowd. What the article should say is PS3 vs. 360: if you are a bitch and like to play “insert game type”, then buy a “insert console name here”!
@Zindidkar
while your last post does make some sense, we are talking about each consoles exclusives, thus weighing up which console is “better” than the other, which is all opinionative, so is everything else on here, as each owner of their respective console so far has defended it, or if they have had “both”, then they side with neither. I dont think the author wanted to get into too much detail of the ‘innards’ of each console, although it is good to here some factual/objective posts.
For instance, i think that if xbox 360 could only play games that you would find on a phone (shit games, in my opinion), from people like Gameloft, then would that make the xbox 360 a shitter console despite its technical capabilities??
I think most consumers would say yes. same if it were the other way round.
Games pretty much make the console.
Or is watching videofiles or listening to your music on your console more important?
videos+music+games>games
Dedicated multimedia device (or even a mediocre PC) > PS3
for videos + music.
sorry, but id rather own something that can do many things flawlessly than own many ings that can do one thing well.
Trouble is the PS3 doesn’t play them all flawlessly. And unless you’re using mplayer through Linux on a ps3 phat, it can’t even handle all the formats a mediocre pc could.
The blu Ray player is pretty damn handy but even there I prefer a top if the line external player.
Hmmm no xbox exclusives?? Ps3 exclusives are better!? No one cares about halo or gears of war anymore????
Part 1
xbox exclusives..
Forza motorsport 3
halo odst
mass effect?? None really??
Ps3 exclusives are also available on pc?
No one cares about halo
so why was halo. 3 the most played game on xbox live for the last 12 months?? Why is gears of war about to gain 2 sequals??
Last comment and having played both I know
the 360 is by far the better online platform, and the ps3 is just a glorified blu ray player
end of.
@blackjello
i think anyone on this site could tell you how wrong you are. First of all, Gears of war is not a first person shooter ( its a 3rd person tactical shooter), and second of all, gears of war had better graphics than resistance, and is also higher rated. look at ‘GameRankings.com’.
Also, gears of war 2, halo 3 and halo 3 odst cannot, i repeat, CANNOT be played on a PC.
also, dont post on here if you have no knowledge at all, you sound like a 10 year old. Also, know one gives a shit about Gears of War or Halo anymore??
you insulted me as Gears of War happens to be my favourite game, and im absolutley positive Halo 3 has sold more copies than killzone 2, resistance or uncharted.
further more, gears of war and gears of war 2 have also outsold all of these games.
Killzone 2 im not sure, but i know gears of war 1 has sold over 6million to this date, id have to find out what site i heard it from, and Halo 3 has sold almost if not over 11 million copies.
im not saying this makes them better than the ps3 games ou have mentioned, as they are all great exclusives and i have played them at one point in time or another, or seen them on my brothers ps3, but saying they are well worse, that is completely arrogant.
you have the least knowledge out of anyone that has posted anything on this so far. im sorry, but its true. also, just in august 7 last year, i logged on to halo 3 to find almost 400,000 people on at the one moment, as it was bungie day.
so please, dont insult great games which will be remembered oin gaming history, especially when they have got some of the highest ranking, all which are above 90%.
im sure if i said the same thing about killzone 2, you would see my point. but i wouldnt do that anyway, as i am not that bias that i cant admit a good game when i see one, even if it is on the ps3.
peace out…………………….or not.
Hello Again. about the halo 3 sales, there are quite a few sites as of recent which have the total sales of halo 3. it can be found on this site here:
http://www.vgarabia.com/2010/01/10/modern-warfare-2-is-approching-halo-3-sales-numbers-on-xbox360/
its says it has sold 10.7million copies.
HERE IS A DIRECT QUOTE:
“There isn’t a single HD game on just one platform that has had managed to sell more copies than Halo 3,”
proof enough, blackjello?
thank you very much, you have made my day.
ok, so its sold a billion copies…… which were promptly returned or traded in. my gamestop in particular has about a million copies that never sell anymore. my point? cult classics die hard.
I agree with the view that the PS3 is a shooter fan’s dream.
It’s to twitch gamers what the original xbox was. ;)
Personally I’m not as big on shooters so there isn’t as much for me right now (which will likely change with Heavy Rain and a few other titles in the near future), but Halo 3 was fun multiplayer in terms of how much scope it gives people to screw around, especially in forge.
in reference to ding dong and his belief that MAG would have worked better on the 360…., i have many 360 fanboys for mates, and i mean fervent, hardcore fanboys who take any negative comment by me towards the xbox as a personal attack on them, they still have this unrelenting assertion that every exclusive PS3 game released is a monumental fail which would have better chances if the 360 had it.
killzone2? -rubbish.
MGS?- rubbish,
MAG? – rubbish, etc etc,
bearing in mind that these “friends” will never entertain the thoughts of playing a PS3 i can only assume that since my 360 broke microsoft have released a new console with a blu-ray drive capable of playing PS3 games, if not then it seems that the die hard fanboys are suffering from what selma from the simpsons called “the green-eyed gazungas” – ie jealousy.
to them and many others MAG would have been better on the 360, quite contrary to this article i presented to them.
“”Speaking to CVG, Zipper Interactive lead programmer Nate Klee has said that MAG would only be possible on PS3 and that there’s “no way” it could work on the XBOX 360.
The PS3 has multiple SPUs, which it can thank for being able to handle a game with such intense online capabilities. Quite obviously, the 360 doesn’t have the same luxury.
“The SPUs on the PS3 allow us to animate and render and do the ray casts, physics processing and all the things that have to happen for all these different players. So we definitely couldn’t have done it without that. It was a big help,” said Klee.”
i’m not suggesting that ding dong is a fanboy of either console and i also agree that playing MAG without a headset is wrong, but 360 gamers will need to grow up and stop deriding games they have never played as rubbish
I do agree with you on the most part, but your choice of reference was horribly biased. I mean really, the same Zipper Interactive who are a first party Sony developer?
Personally I can think of a few games on both consoles that may have done better on the other. Particularly games on the 360 trying to create atmosphere by having a ton of background activity. That seems to be one of the things the PS3 does better.
As far as MAG goes it was developed specifically for the PS3 so it definetely wouldn’t work for the 360. If a game was made for the 360′s strengths it very well mightn’t work for PS3.
edit:
my apologies ding dong, after re-reading it looks like i was picking you out as a fanboy with an all encompassing hatred of the PS3.
that was not my intention, i was just adding to your thoughts that maybe the 360 and it’s gamers who do use the headset may enhance the MAG experience, there is no firm fact that this is such, the game depends on the people playing, anyway i usually back out a game whenever it transpires that i’m the only one using the headset,
i cannot comprehend the animosity towards MAG, when you participate in a game with proper headset using players who play as intended it is a worthwhile experience, the only game on the 360 which can handle such capabilities in 100 to 1, (that was an actual reply i received when i asked a mate to name a 360 game with more than 16 players online.)
anyway, playing FPS’s on the 360 the headset is used to espouse someone’s racism and dodgy singing talents, (the PS3 is not immune to this either)
i suppose your right silver, zipper may be biased in their statement and maybe their intention was to create some fanboy war, but basically i will take the word of a person who actually worked on the game before i accept some feeble argument from a 360 fanboy or indeed some “propaganda” from a PS3 fanboy looking to start some flame war,
actually you can hold a mirror up to my comments and substitute 360 for PS3, (and maybe i should have added this), but i also have PS3 friends who reckon mass effect, halo, gears are terrible games played by idiots.
fanboyism is a disease, possible cure? – if you like the 360 stay away from the PS3 and it’s associate forums, threads and debates, likewise to the PS3 people
I can quote a few developers who’ve said MMOs are easier to develop on the 360 including a third party developer (Turbine, last September, being a more recent example).
As for games supporting more than 16 players on the 360, any MMO? Even the PS2 had a multiplayer game I knew of with more than 16 player support. Final Fantasy XI, also one of the games on xbox 360.
im sorry about being rude, but i think you forgot a very important role in this debate.
1. the controllers. i myself am used to the xbox controllers, but others prefer the ps3 ones. (next year mention the triggers ;-))
2. the addition of Project natal for the xbox will make it like an xbox and a wii combined. im not sure that it will be as great as they rant on about, but still, i think that it should be mentioned.
i only own an xbox 360m but i REALLY like the exclusive games for ps3, such as unxharted, uncharted 2, and metal gear solid. im not trying to be a fanboy of either side, i think that they both have their pros and cons. i just wanted to give you more ideas for your next update ;-)
Sony’s also doing something similar and it’s weird wand thing is closer to a wiimote (and sex toy) than natal. Both have me worried about the possible overflow of crap like I see on wii shelves. I’m talking those filler titles btw as most nintendo first party titles are still among the better games I’ve played.
i’ve read them articles myself silver, quite obviously the 360 is easier to develop for, but easier development rarely translates as better.
is there a 360 exclusive which the PS3 would struggle to run? i don’t think so, the base facts about zippers statement is not exclusivity but hardware potential.
i’m not well informed of MMO’s silver, i was really discussing shooters and the such, the 360 friend i was conferring with over MAG quite obviously was in the same bracket as me as 100-1 was his only reply.
100-1 is a shooter? lol
I don’t think the PS3 could run Gears of War 2 at the full settings the 360 could.
Hardware potential? Both consoles do things the other console wouldn’t as they’re both designed quite differently.
Specifics from Turbine related articles:
- The Blu-ray drive on the PS3 is actually slower in seek and access time than the DVD drive on the Xbox 360. Once the Blu-ray gets up to speed, it can handle large amount of data. Just not in seeking and accessing, which is a pain for streaming when you’re playing something like an MMO.
- The memory architecture is different. When you’re dealing with main memory, you work with “256ish MB” on the PS3 vs “512ish MB” on the 360.
- The tools aren’t as friendly on the PS3. That includes the performance monitor tools, the debugger tools … everything.
- Migrating a project from the Xbox 360 to the PS3 is much harder than moving from the PS3 to the 360.
I’ve said it before, but blu ray fails for gaming. It’s why I hope one day there’ll be digital download exclusives in future that get around that limitation.
yes, i know it couldnt run anyway.
i was sort of trying to imagine the atmosphere of the game, so to speak if it had the same amount of people with headsets as the xbox 360 does. obviously, being blu ray it couldnt work, just as uncharted 2 cant run on an xbox 360 as it took up almost 25gb.
would MAG be able to work with multiple discs, one for multiplayer, etc.
anyways, i know that on either console the games potential would be determined by who is playing it online, and i never said that xbox 360 people were freindlier, just a simple hypothesis, though i couldnt be screwed testing it, as i mostly play with friends and the other team just screams and bad mouths you, but they have mic’s still.
and i didnt say that xbox had more microphones than the ps3 for nothing, well at least nothing out of ‘fanboism’, but i just thought it logiacal that a bigger percentage of xbox 360 owners had a mic compared to the percentage of ps3 people. as they come with mic’s, etc.
also, i dont think gears of war 2 could have 100 players online ever, no matter what console, well maybe if everyone had some kind of optic fibre internet, and the console was, well, maybe 2 generations away. i think its the way that the bodies full on ‘splatter’ when you kill them, how you can actually see some guy you killed before still has a hand over there, a leg over there and his head is over there.
im pretty sure that is where a lot of lag is going, as opposed to COD where you shoot them with ‘invisible’ bullets. well compared to gears of war anyway.
personally i wish they has set MAG in WW2, i know there is an over abundance of WW2 shooters out there but imagine a digital recreation of the normandy landings?
maybe it’s just me.
i enjoyed my online play with friends on the 360 through MW2, on MAG it is mainly strangers i seem to be with and 99% of them are obnoxious kids more concerned with their own personal tally than actual gameplay, i don’t know about you dingdong but i have seen several “medics” step across me in order to shoot a few enemy stragglers, why bother spending XP on the medical kit if kill ratio is more important to them????
zipper tried to influence proper gaming by giving players more points for been close to their squad leader and the objective than just a basic run and gun idea which quite frankly gets stale quite very soon, but it seems the majority treat it like some vast version of MW2, this is where MAG fails and i don’t think a 360 release would rectify this.
where MAG fails no2 – take the sabotage map on MAG, if you lose both bases and have to retreat to base C, 9 times out of ten the opposing team will have a person already camped there since the start of the game, MAG on the xbox will not prevent this, so any assertion that it’s just the lack of gameplay by none using of the headset is erroneous, the failure is the people who play it.
the 360 folks i converse with constantly point these failings out, as if 360 gamers would never do such things LOL
well yeah its a realshame that a game with such potential just doesnt reach expectations due to poor teammates. if people werent so abnoxious, it probably would be the funnest game out. i think they should just completely take out the KD ratio, just have a few trophies to keep people playing, and like achievements like COD. ex. 100 klls with this weapon, 100 kills with that.
if there wee no KD, people would never leave games and play for themselves. i do like the idea of a KD, but it is overrated.
well yeah the only way it would be good on xbox is to have like butt loads of parties with friends, dedicated servers, etc.
but ps3 has that all now, yeah? as far as i can remember ps3 have party stuff anyway, so i guess the only way is to make 256 really good friends and play all at once lol. oh well, God Of War 3 will lift all you dissapointed MAG fans.
P.S IM SO JEALOUSSSSS. and i thought dantes inferno could fill the ‘not God Of War’ void, but its gotten bad ratings. im gonna get it still though, and bayonetta cause there the most similar things to god of war out at the moment.
Dude, just grab a PS3 as well.
Some stores seem to be clearing out 80gb Phats and I’ve seen them cheaper than Wiis at some places.
yeah, well with all of their exclusives n stuff, i will get one soon probably. i only really play my older brothers when he comes round my house, and i enjoy it. i said probably because i think microsoft probably wont repair my console or they will screw me over because my warranty runs out soon. ive been looking around for good deals on ps3, so ill join the dark side soon, darth sidious. lol
dantes inferno is mediocre, graphic wise it’s impressive, the gameplay is ok but the constant button prompts and insidious puzzles leads to frustration, the boss battles are ridiculously hard even on normal level, i hope god of war does’nt suffer the same.
the likes of gamestop have great deals on pre-owned PS3′s with 12 month guarantee with them and 4 – 5 older games which you can re-trade them for 2 decent titles, come to the darkside dingdong and embrace the PS3
does anybody know when the next comparision will be released. I really would like to see how 2009 turned out for both consoles (3 if you add wii). I noticed that the first two didn’t take this long. I’ve owned a ps3 since 2007 (60 gb) and have enjoyed it every step of the way. Graphics keep getting better with each release.
I’ve been looking for a reason to by a 360 for some time now, but i haven’t found any exsclusives that really peek my interrest. I was wondering if any non buyest gamers could tell me about any games that really make the 360 stand out. I tried halo 1, 2, and 3…. not quit what i was looking for. I also got to watch a friend of mine play gw2 for about 2 hours and, on the same note, i had been playing kill zone 2. it really didn’t spark my appeal. Can someone tell me of any game on 360 that would knock my socks off, so to speak? (i like my socks on)
the HALO series, the gears series and mass effect are seemingly the must buy games for a 360,
personally i dislike halo and cannot see the appeal of it, gears of war 1 is a gaming classic, part 2 was ok but very samey and did’nt improve much on the original, good game though but is limited and very restricted.
mass effect is an acquired taste, you either love it or hate it’s boring gameplay and if rumours are true it’s to be released on PS3, (both games)
these are apparently the 3 exclusives that any xbox gamer must have, personally i bought the 360 for older games which never appeared on the playstation, games like call of juarez and other older titles.
i still maintain that the playstation exclusives are better, the likes of MAG, uncharted 1+2, MGS series, heavy rain, god of war, the killzone series. (killzone 2 has the finest graphics you’ll ever see on these generation game consoles owing to it’s PS3 exclusivity)
there’s no actual game that will urge PS3 gamers to swap allegiance, it’s just better to have both consoles, (if you can afford both).
as i stated elsewhere here my 360 broke, a minor fault admittedly, but i cannot see myself rushing out to re-purchase another, the PS3 offers the same these days regarding the library and is fast catching up on the supposedly superior online 360 options
Mass effect appeals to anyone who likes a good story in thier games as opposed to fans of shooters with campaigns that play like b grade action movies.
PS3 has better shooters, yes, but the 360 has a better selection in most genres still including my fave, RPG, apart from strategy RPGs of which the PS3 has two great ones and the 360 doesn’t even have a single mediocre one as far as I know. Saying the 360′s better titles are those only is just as inaccurate as claiming the PS3 still has no games.
I myself feel that it mightn’t be long before the PS3 surpasses the 360 in games, but for now my 360 still has more exclusives.
I want Heavy Rain already…
i was not saying that gears, halo or mass effect were the only reasons for owning a xbox but they were the constant recommendations i got when pondering my 360 purchase, nobody could recommend anything else that was not on the PS3, of course i got the usual ” modern warfare is better on xbox than PS3″ nonsense but basically i wanted to play tenchu, a criminally underrated game which has so far failed to made the leap to the PS3, there were various other games i was eager to play and the xbox catered, these days it fails to hold my affiliation seeing as sony is upping it’s game, i was recently reminded that battlefield bad company 2 will be better on xbox so if i’m thinking of making a re-acquaintance i better do it before it’s released???? why, did M$ bribe the developers to mess up the PS3 version?
and i’m not too enamoured with these proposed “wand” thingies from both camps, when i play games it is to relax not leap about like an idiot, how will sports titles fare with this technology?
anyway i have the Wii which has been utilized for the past year as a dust collector and space inhabitar
You really have to ask why certain games look better on xbox than they do on ps3? Have you even read this article, the xbox has greater graphics processing power, not to mention ps3 and it’s lack of anti aliasing ability, come on people, let’s just get used to it, the xbox works better
i suppose you could say that from a strictly gameplay pov, xbox appears better but come on…. who JUST plays games on their system? its like buying a cell phone that can ONLY call people.
Um you can watch movies listen to music, even connect and stream media from your pc on C box as well, as for blu ray, it’s way cheaper to buy a blu ray player which often handle the blu ray data way better than the ps3 does. So as far as media is concerned the x box is no slouch either,
you must be an xbox fanboy. as you havent mentioned the other peripherals one
gets with a ps3… like standard wireless controllers (elite only is not standard) with free rechargeable batteries, free wireless adapter, free bluetooth connectivity, free psn, it seems your media ‘solution’ is a bit expensive for me. id rather not waste any more money than i have to… my ps3 has my music and my xbox doesnt, simply because it can handle it. whenever i play music on my xbox, i feel like im playing catch with a faberge egg. i bought my ps3 cuz it could do what my xbox couldnt (or barely) do.
An xbox fanboy eh dingdong! Try Reading comments before you post rubbish, I have owned BOTH consoles. But then I guess you don’t realise that actually, not only does the 360 have better graphic capabilities, but without any shadow of a doubt it also has much better sound, furthermore. You may well get so called free wireless controllers with a ps3? They thought that through well since the batteries are built in, when they go it’s £36 for a new controller as aposed to £15 for a nice new rechargeable battery on the xbox, and by the way ALL xbox consoles come with wireless controllers now, so your a little behind the time, do me a favour, come back and reply when you have an intelligent argument.
My mistake not dingdong, I meant blackjello
dude i dont know wtf they sell on that island ur on but all xboxs do NOT come with wireless controllers…. furthermore, it costs about $50 for a ps3 controller or $50(base)+$20(battery pack) for an xbox one. and no, your sound argument is laughable. crystal clear 7.2 surround sounds pretty perfect to me…. or didnt you know that? so where were you going with that? sounds like fanboy trolling to me.
and next time try addressing my other points before you call ME unintelligent…. wanker
Blackjello, your a twat, in case you hadn’t noticed you can now only buy the arcade and elite 360′s and I just checked on xbox.com, they DO both come with wireless controllers now, I run my xbox through an 8.1 surround sound system, and without a doubt the sound is far better than I ever got through the same system with my ps3. So that’s that argument out the way, think you’ve been had though, price as follows
ps3 wireless controller £34.99
when battery refuses to charge time for new controller
xbox 360 wireless controller with battery pack and play and charge kit included £29.99
when battery refuses to charge, new battery £15.00
I sold my ps3 because all I ever used it for was mgs and blu rays, and at £500 that’s one e pensive blu ray player?
Sorry blackjello but each message you post you sound more like a moron, in your own words people who have both consoles favour neither, I owned both, I favour the xbox. Why? Easy, it’s got better graphics, it links with my pc easily, it’s got more games. And it’s cheaper to maintain. Go figure numbnuts
dude, the whole post was blithering nonsense. to buy an xbox controller + battery you will pay MORE than a ps3 controller. like i said $50 vs. $70. and furthermore, ps3 and xbox elite are the same price. so ask yourself, $299 for just a game player, or $299 for a game playing, internet surfing, bluray watching, bluetooth connecting black box. it will cost you easily $500 (+$50 a year) to make an xbox comparable. or if u wanna go one step further how much does it cost to make an xbox have 250gbs? rhetorical, we all know. and how does a ps3 cost more to maintain when xboxs fail more than twice as often? time is money my friend. and that red ring is still a tight noose around m$ neck…. go figure dumbass
i just ran both systems through a few paces of bad company1 (no im not a dumbass, the ps3 disc was a gift lol) and guess what my personal result is. nothing. wifey said the same thing, no difference in sound. and how exactly are you testing your hardware on a no-longer-
existent system? again, sounds like fanboy assumptions to me. i seriously doubt you’ve ever owned a ps3.
My god blackjello, dig yourself out of the stoneage, the prices I quoted are the current Market prices you dumb son of a bitch, my point is that ps3 controllers HAVE to be replaced, as soon as the battery goes, xbox controllers don’t, now I don’t give a flying shit if you believe it or not, the facts still remain oh and by the way, xbox has blue tooth as well. You are a total fruitcake, oh and the ps3 is not the same price as the elite.
Ps3 £299.99
xbox 360 Elite £214.99
seriously dude, your a blithering idiot
Oh and blackjello, check this out xbox only a games machine eh? So what the he’ll is the zune movie marketplace for , not to mention last fm, facebook, Twitter, and sky tv all available on the 360. Dude get a fucking life
Non existant system? Blackjello do you even have a brain? I have an old (but still exceptionally good) audio system and ya know what shithead, you can doubt all you like, try explaining why I still have copies of f1 championship edition and gt5 prologue here, not to mention the ps3 box and all the documents, I believe my account is still live on psn as well since they still email me, teamthunder was my screen name, I was quite fond of pain, mgs, gt5 prologue was shit. Do yourself a favour, go hide back under the rock you crawled out from
@dingdong: admittedly sir, the numbers appear to favor the xbox. But one must remember that microsoft has never been a company to produce faithful sales numbers. Although they have sold more copies, you gotta remember that there a many more xbox’s out there. (54.2% of which had failed.) so just because every kid got an xbox and halo3 for christmas doesnt make it a better game. Your accusations of arrogance were based on MY opinion and YOUR ‘sales’ numbers. play killzone or uncharted then try to play gears…. you’ll see my point.
again @ dingdong: you are speaking to me as if i DONT own an xbox….. i do. and ive owned it for much longer than my ps3. my opinion isnt biased toward the ps3, i just have more fun playing it. never did i say halo or gears were garbage, they just arent as fun (but again its all IMO so stop pissing on my leg) maybe if you played more ps3 games youd see where im coming from, that is if you can convince your brother to let you play his….. lol dude your brothers ps3? seriously? Honestly dude, i have both so im quite qualified to come up with my own conclusion, and my conclusion is that my halo case will continue to germinate my weed seeds as its the case i open the least.
I just got totally email bombed…
The facts:
PS3 CAN DO antialiasing, it’s just that the way the 360 is built it can do AA without performance penalties.
Concerning controllers, both consoles come with wireless controllers standard. With the 360 you’ll need to purchase a rechargable battery, but it has longer life and a longer charge cable. PS3 controllers can benefit from getting a USB extension cable or even more simply, a micro USB/USB cable considerably longer than that which comes with the controllers.
Wireless is free on the PS3, but this has the disadvantage of not being upgradable. Though I personally prefer a wired connection as it will remain the better connection, if I wanted a wireless solution I could buy a wireless N adaptor for my 360 while my PS3 would be stuck using wireless G.
Music on the 360 can always be played in the background of all games, while the PS3 is limited to games that support it (unless another update came during my offline use?)
The 360 MIGHT have better graphic capabilities, but if it does they haven’t yet been realised and PS3 games like Uncharted 2 are quite impressive. I don’t think it wise to argue either way until the next barrage of exclusives though.
The sound is pretty damn sweet on both consoles. I believe theorotically the PS3 can support better audio but listening to both consoles my ears can’t make any real distinction.
RRoD doesn’t occur much at all on newer 360s. It’s why the ebgames stores in my country allow tradeins of later 360 consoles but not earlier ones which they know to be too risky.
Xbox 360 DOESN’T have bluetooth though I have heard you can purchase a bluetooth adaptor which I haven’t seen in any stores locally. The Xbox 360 uses proprietry wireless which I’ve found to be more stable than bluetooth but with the distinct disadvantage where you’re forced to use MS approved accessories.
Neither of you sound like you’ve fully experimented with both consoles, at least dingdong can be somewhat impartial.
Ditto Silver.
Freaks off their leash today!
You guys are getting wrapped up in this tight again. I cannot imagine how anyone is going to say one system is just way better. The fact is the limits are not in the hardware as much as the software. I hear crap like the PS3 cannot do AA and cross-game chat. PS3 has plenty of games out with AA and the PSN Premium will offer new options to rival Live.
For the most part all the reviews I have read have never said that a game has surpassed the graphics of UC2 which is a PS3 game. My point is not that the PS3 is the best but that the games are reliant on great programming and not just the hardware. It takes software to make the hardware sing. It is time to stop looking at these consoles like they are going to morph into something new. It is time to expect the devs to put together better engines that will improve the views that we all have on these consoles.
holy hell. i got not just email bombed aswell silver, partly ( understatement) due to the fact that some bonk head *cough *cough blackjello posted like 50 times to say hi.
Dale, you are hilarious, you saved me the trouble of replying to every one of his moronic posts.
Blackjello, i never said any halo game or any gears of war game was better than the ps3 games you mentioned. i said gears of war 1 is MY all time favourite game. and yes, i have played killzone 2, outright one of the funnest games ive played, but gears 1 still hits the spot for me. and i only brought the sales figures in to show you they are not old and crappy, i never said it made them better. and yes, evry xbox 360 console comes with a wireless controller, so what island are you on??? maybe something like a mud hut in the middle of the sahara desert? lol.
but anyway, Dale, while i do ‘side’ with the xbox 360, i have yet to see a title to match the graphics of killzone 2 or uncharted.
anyway, the sales of halo is not up to microsoft to say, well i dont think so anyway, and do you think that its a lie? get over yourself blackjello, and by the way, the xbox 360 has Only sold like 4 or 5 million consoles more than the ps3, so i think anyone can admit the sales for halo 3 was outstanding, especially since it cam out over 2 years ago when not as many people owned consoles.
and cult games die hard?? what is that supposed to mean. i didnt think they had a gametraders in the sahara desert. and yes, ive seen ps3 games that have been traded in to, does that make them a bad game? no. i think your the one whop needs to familiarise themselves with the xbox games, not me with the ps3 games. the only game mentioned i didnt play was Uncharted 1.
well anyway, halo isnt totally my style, but Halo Reach is starting to sound awesome. i initially wasnt that excited over it, but now it is using improved graphics and everything. looks sweet. now before you break out of your mud hut again blackjello, im sure it wont have beter graphics than uncharted or killzone. and im not saying its better. just i look forward to it.
man i feel like im talking to a 2 year old who is married, and supposedly he is.
sorry for being nasty but ur emails were a nasty suprise to my email inbox. hahah lol.
zindikar, was that a reference to Korn? lol. just wondering cause they have a song called freak on a leash, although im sure that expression has been used elsewhere.
im giggling over the thought of owning my OWN ps3. though i recently lost my job, i have enough to last a few months. i have to admit, although i prefer xbox at this time, the ps3 would make me feel like i own a prized possesion, kind of like how i felt when i First got my xbox. i really want it cause black is my favourite colour, except for blackjello lol.
sorry, i couldnt resist. halo reach is rumored, if not ‘confirmed’ to be the last halo based game Bungie make. though future installments will be made by 343 studios. obviously microsoft own the rights to halo, so bungie can make games for other console, just not Halo ones. i think they got a bit bored of it, probably because microsoft pointed a gun to their heads and forced them to make more, to milk the series for all its got lol. but anyway, the trailer looks good and im excited. hopefully this game will be remembered, and not for the wrong reasons. and btw, elites are back!!! we havnt seen elites ( well, at least ones that werent sided with you) since halo 2, over 5 years ago. im sure many people are sick of Halo now, but i hope they wil give this a shot and enjoy it.
Don’t want to get into the middle of the Dale & Blackjello fight, but just one thing:
Dale, if you’re paying £299 for a PS3 you need to go to better shops. It’s £250 for the 120GB or around £285 for the 250GB.
http://www.game.co.uk/Consoles/PlayStation-3/Sony-PlayStation-3-120GB-Slim-Console/~r343273/
http://www.game.co.uk/Consoles/PlayStation-3/Sony-PlayStation-3-250GB-Slim-Console-/~r343677/
Oh, & you’re also paying too much for your Elite, it’s more like £190 for the 120GB Elite.
http://www.game.co.uk/Consoles/Xbox-360/Xbox-360-Elite-Console/~r343541/
You call someone a dumb son of a bitch for not quoting current market prices, & then don’t quote current market prices. Nnnnn’kay.
To start with I am not in the market for another ps3, the prices I quoted are the current price at Argos and as such are still current Market prices, high street prices differ greately from on line prices as is always the case, and not everyone has the ability to order on line, so until you shop around, don’t post comments about the accuracy of my prices . you did however proove my most important point, the 360 is still lower cost than the ps3,
Dale you are a douche. yes itys cheaper if u buy it but after all add ons it cost more than ps3
not everybody buys all the addons i can only tink of 2 things that most ppl will buy xbl and a hdmi cable xbl 1 year is £34.99 cheap hdmi £14.99 360 elite £189.99 = £239.97 so its still cheaper and befor u say u need a net cable it comes with one yes its quite shout but a 10m one is only going to cost £10 so it brings it to £249.97 so it works out at about the same price you could add a batry back as well that will set you back another £14.99 but im baseingit on what i did and i used my rechargable bats from my cammra for a bit be for i bought the play and charge so even with the play and charge kit its still only £264.96 so when u get ur ps3 for £250 once u add a head set its still round about the same price as each other
You lot are fuckin thick, ALL xbox consoles now Come with hdmi and wireless controllers the only add on you have to buy is xbox live which costs £34.99 a year so regardless of how fuckin stupid you lot are the xbox works out cheaper, I have just about had enough of you lit trying to be clever. Your all morons. Go get yourself a life cause I for one am sick of your pathetic arguments,
actually I think XBox Live is $60.00 a year last time I checked
well not all xbox 360s come with an hdmi, not even all elites. they come with a hdmi port, but only some retailer offer a hdmi cable to. but come to think of it, i dont think my brother got a hdmi cable with his ps3 and my friend got a slim and it didnt come with one either.
oh and by the way, you dont have to buy heaps of add ons for the xbox. you only need to buy xbox live and you dont need a hdmi cable, as i recently bought one off ebay and it isnt to much better than a hd av anyway. but it is still beter, some people cant tell the difference.and around christmas here, the ps3′s were still $500 and at target you could get an xbox 360 with lego batman and pure for $350. that was a once off, but you could still get others for $400 with forza 3 a few weeks before christmas. but they are usually just 450 bucks, with like 4 games. all the prices i mentioned wee for jasper elites, 120 gb.
but yeah. they work out pretty much the same cost unless you get a deaql on either 1. like i think recently you could get a ps3 for like $475. just depends, you kind of have to look around.
Dale,
Argos
120GB PS3 – £249.99
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9239140/c_1/1|category_root|Video+games|14419738/c_2/3|15701470|PS3|14419785/c_3/4|cat_14419785|PS3+consoles|14419796.htm
250GB PS3 – £284.99
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9239700/c_1/1|category_root|Video+games|14419738/c_2/3|15701470|PS3|14419785/c_3/4|cat_14419785|PS3+consoles|14419796.htm
Xbox 360 120GB Elite – £199.99
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5685619/c_1/1|category_root|Video+games|14419738/c_2/3|15701470|Xbox+360|14419847/c_3/4|cat_14419847|Xbox+360+consoles|14419848.htm
Those prices are instore & online, & don’t tell people not to “post comments about the accuracy of your prices” when you can’t even be bothered to be accurate. We’ll post whatever the hell we want. After all, being a numerically challenged imbecile with an Xbox360 shaped stick up your @rse isn’t slowing you down, is it?
You even went on to list the basics you’ll need on each console.
360
Battery Pack £12.99, 12 months Xbox Live £39.99, + HDMI cable (I’ll use the £12.99 bush 1 metre one from Argos to keep things even, & no new 360′s don’t come with HDMI cables as standard as Microsoft don’t supply them in box anymore). Add this to the 360 price gives you.
£265.96
PS3
HDMI cable £12.99 (same one as above)
Adds up to £262.98
Yes, if you want to add a headset say £14.99, takes it to £277.97 which is all of £12.01 more expensive than a 360, but you don’t “NEED” a headset to go online on the 360. You need Xbox Live Gold to go online on the 360, so for the absolue basics, the PS3 comes with more & costs less. Yes, you don’t actually need a charge & play pack on the 360 but if you don’t get one, it’ll cost you more in the long run on batteries. You kinda proved your own point wrong. Thanks for the help.
No-one is saying that you need all of the accessories for the 360. If you don’t need Wi-fi good for you, but even without the wi-fi adaptor the PS3 is in the same ballpark pricewise as a 360, but you just get more console for your money.
Oh, & on February 14, 2010 at 6:52 pm you stated that the 360 comes with bluetooth (it’s one word, not two). It doesn’t come with bluetooth built in. Stop making stuff up.
I’m not even saying the 360 is a bad console, or even poor value for money. I’m just pointing that your arguments, the way you present them are flawed at best, & downright idiotic at worst.
If you’re going to quote specific information, at least do your research before spouting off, & insulting people.
Elitees stopes coming with hdmi awile ago arcade never came with it both come with HD av and yes ps3dont come with one eather unless u get it in with a deal I think ps3 only come with av but I’m not sure I’m only going from when I got the 60gb phat eather way I can get a wii cheaper but would I want to at the end of the day prices arnt every thing I play xbox because I like it more ps3 are good but it’s not really for me most of the exclusives don’t intrest me much I’ve never played and of the gow games I’m not to into mgs any more gt is a good game don’t know what 5 will be like but the ps3 is sheared between me my bro and step dad and given that gt is a long game I’m not going to get to play it much uc2 was good but I’m just not into that type of game I don’t even spend that much time on consoles any more I’m on my pc more but at the time when I did play them alot xbox was the better choice for me at the end of the day both are being held back by developers as far as I know xbox has a lot less 1st party devs and ps has loads so they might end up coming out on top because of that know one really knows
Seriously, I did a total doubletake at GAME (Australia stores) the other day.
80 PS3 phat, new = $329
Nintendo Wii, new = $369
Now the WIi was bundled with the usual Wii sports, but apart from that neither had more than the other did. :/
Don’t buy it?
http://www.game.com.au/search?dpt=11&cat=21
http://www.game.com.au/search?dpt=8&cat=21
O.O wow they really are trying to get rid of the phats quick
RE: dale
“ALL xbox consoles now Come with hdmi and wireless controllers the only add on you have to buy is xbox live which costs £34.99 a year so regardless of how fuckin stupid you lot are the xbox works out cheaper”.
they stopped packaging HDMI cables 6 month ago, and are you forgetting the additional batteries for the controller and/or the wireless charging kit?, you also omitted the wireless adaptor which people with no option of wired connection have to purchase and are double the price of a generic dongle which MS do not support.
to enjoy a PS3 straight from the box for online play the most anyone has to buy is a headset and a HDMI cable, the price of XBL will cover the cost of both peripherals,
you also get the blu-ray, apart form this it is able to run regular DVD’s, the xbox has no such luxury, in fact you have to spend more to get the HD player.
the PS3 may be £30 – £40 dearer but honestly if you believe the xbox works out as the cheaper console i’m afraid your opinions are nothing more than the deluded ramblings of a diseased 360 fanboy, your choice of colourful language reinforces this as your failure to gain the upper hand in this debate has lead to serious anger problems,
Wow, little kids really love to justify their systems. This thread is horrible. Its like all of the kiddies with their riced out Civics and Cobolts justifying their cars are better than all other cars. Young kids that can’t afford to support themselves always need to justify something is better. If you have fun with what you got, it doesn’t make it better, it just means you are satisfied with what you have. 15 years ago, everyone’s first DVD player was probably a PS2. Today everyone’s first Blu-Ray player is probably a PS3. You can’t say the same about the Xbox360. 5 years ago, you would have never said said oh, I would much rather watch VHS over DVD and there is no difference in quality of VHS over DVD. If you are forced to use X amount more of something (such as disks), that is what we call a DOWNSIDE. If you have to buy a WiFi adapter, that is what we call a DOWNSIDE, if you have to pay to play MW2 that is what we call a DOWNSIDE. If your console requires you to buy another external peripheral (Blu-Ray player) to do what another console does that is what we call a Downside. Microsoft will never change these aspects of the 360. Saying PS3 is lacking because of Online Gaming (which is the only thing Xbox really has advantage of PS3 on) is something that is changing and will change. As I stated, only kids feel the need to defend their console is better than the others. I bet if 1/2 of the Xbox360 fanboys were given a free PS3, good 120hz HDTV, and Surround Sound system, they would buy Blue Ray movies and be astonished by the picture quality.
What’s that sonny, ye’ll have to speak up, the bullshit is filtering anything of value there.
Let’s see, crapping on to appear impartial/mature or whatever, yada yada yada…
Ok, 15 years ago the PS2 wasn’t even out. 10 years ago most gamers were still on their PSX, N64 or even in some cases SNES/Genesis as the PS2 had several manufacturing delays (and at the time the average person wasn’t wanting to fork out $1000 for one on ebay). Oh it became one of the best consoles ever made eventually, but I don’t recall that many people adapting it right away on release.
VHS to DVD was a much bigger step than DVD to Blu-ray. Tape to disc over disc to higher capacity disc. And I mean really, if you have a PS3, try sticking a DVD in followed by a blu-ray. Unless you have a nice big TV/monitor, you won’t notice much visual difference at all. Sound you’ll definetely notice unless your sound setup is crap, but the picture isn’t that much better. I still prefer to buy most of my TV/movies on DVD due to the higher availability, bigger selection and the fact that they’ll work on more players than blu-ray will. Also my systems have some damn nice upscaling. ;)
Considering we’re comparing GAME CONSOLES, i’d imagine a good online experience would be much more desirable than the ability to play movies. Now that might be a moot point in future with PSN premium but the fact that you’re going on about multimedia functions and downplaying gaming functions, just wow.
If you’re forced to use WiFi G and others can use WiFi N, that’s a DOWNSIDE, if you can’t be happy with a game console’s gaming functions, that’s a DOWNSIDE, if you don’t have proper triggers on MW2, that’s a DOWNSIDE.
I bet if most gamers were given free gaming equipment/televisions they would be happy. You making that kind of offer sonny?
“if you can’t be happy with a game console’s gaming functions, that’s a DOWNSIDE, if you don’t have proper triggers on MW2, that’s a DOWNSIDE.”
These aren’t really downsides… it’s more just your opinion
No, I can objectively hold both controllers and clearly notice a lack of nice accurate triggers on the PS3 controller. And the other. Example was taken out of context. I was replying to someone who was downplaying gaming functions and praising multimedia functions.
Should I really have to explain things like that though?
hmm…very good article…..but always will be a winner….always is a winner…of course is very hard to decide….but maybe in 2014-2015 when will appear ps4 and xbox720… we will see what console of this 2 is the best…is a very very x 10 HARD to make a comparison …. the person who make it…..must have both consoles…play them …say…from now untill 2014….have a lot of money( to buy all good games and accessories)…
and be a good gamer….and an expert in the consoles…..is very hard to find such a person,,,,but a person like that can make a comparison
how can u not have accsess to a wired conection ?
I don’t tons of people don’t not everyone can just string a 30 foot cable or longer through their house with no issues so the ps3 worked out as cheaper for me without having to buy a 100$ or so adapter and i also don’t have to pay for online. As for controllers its really all about preference i mean if you grew up with the ps1/ps2 you will prefer the ps3 controller but if you had gamecube or x-box original you will most likely like the xbox-360 controller
You could always do what I do and drill a small hole through the wall to pass the ethernet cable through.
BREAKIN’ THE WALL, BREAKIN’ THE WALL. =D
really?? why are so many people saying you need to buy i battery pack and charger for an xbox 360. last i could reember, they did all come with 1. in fact, my cousin got an elite console this christmas and it came with a charger and crap, unless you get an arcade. which may or may not come with 1.
And whoever said HD player, are you serious? microsoft stopped selling them like over 2 years ago, and HD DVD’s arent even available instores. making expenses up for a console can really add price to it. thats like saying to have everything a ps3 has, i need to buy a car as well. my point is that HD players for the xbox 360 are no more, as HD lost the format war to Blu-ray.
im pretty sure everyone has access to direct cable, and dont need wifi.
altough, having wifi in a ps3 would be handy in some cases, as i tend to move my xbox around from tv to tv, and having little kids around can be annoying when your in a game for half hour and they kick it out. but thats just me…….or is it?
i got my elite 6 month ago and never got the charging kit or HDMI cable, your cousin may have got an instore promotion, lots of gameshops add in certain stuff when they are promoting pre-owned or arcade 360′s.
wired connection?
i cannot use wired connection for some reason i never bothered getting checked out, my router is in “the office” connected to the PC, my console is the far end of the house.
i will admit my technological failings here by declaring i have no idea how to set it up for wired connection, vodafone were not entirely helpful in assistance so i just went the wireless route which works fine for me.
actually any advice in setting it up for wired would be appreciated.
i have a bewan router connected to the PC, i’m getting 80% on the connection settings which is fine but………………
Thankfully wireless is very simple. Network cable goes in ass end of console, other side goes into ass end of router. :D
well no it wasnt an isntore promotion. i got one with my xbox 2 years ago, and i was pretty sure most of them did come with it, everyone i knew got one. although, they probably could have sacrificed the charger kit now as they couldnt afford the price drop.
so they might make people have to buy the charger kit. but i dont know anyways, just what i thought.
Re:sav0)) if u live in the uk mate let me know and il help u get wired up
cheers mate, i’m in ireland which has the same settings as the UK i think.
i got a netgear hi-speed router which was advertised as an essential one for gaming last week, vodafone do not support it, i got my connection speed on the PS3 up to 98% with it but had to sacrifice no internet on the PC which was strange to say the least and the womans laptop failed to pick up the signal… i brought it back and had to settle for the vodafone bewan router which is rubbish, if i plug it into the phone jack in the room where the ps3 is i lose the phone…?????, my main phone point is in the attic bizarrely enough. (maybe that’s standard???)
it’s quite an erratic wireless connection too, at the moment when the laptop is on i get around 75% connection, this can hover between the 75% and 85% mark at evening time when the woman has no studies and is watching CSI or grand designs LOL, i had one of them double aerial adaptors for the xbox which failed to achieve more than 60%,……, i must check to see if my walls are made from lead.
also, i have one of them digital set top boxes which goes spastic whenever the PS3 is connected, this is not a problem for me but she’s getting a bit hormonal about it
Ok m8 the wireless signels ur getibg are about right for a netgear I had my ps3 next the the damm thing and only got 84% can’t coment on the xbox don’t have wifi for that but my m8 dose and he said he gets about 72% from his belkin router as for wired it should all just plug straght into the back of the router u may have to go to routerlogin.com and upate the firmware make sure ur dns and ip setings on ur xbox and ps3 are on automatic another think u can do on routerlogin is give devices permanent ip address on the the router that might help if u still can’t get it wired let us know and il give u my mobile number and il walk u through some stuff
Normaly that’s true but from my experiance with netgear it dosnt all ways go that way once ther running and ur all set up there really good but sometimes just sometimes when ur seting it up it says no I will not work I don’t wanna btw I got a free dlink wireless ‘n’ router from virgin media there more of a pain u have to install it with no net to it at first an use a setup cd untill it tells u that u can plug the net in what happerned to plug and play
You do not ever need them retarded cd’s to set up a network. If you look either in the manual or the bottom of your router there will be a router ip listed. Connect the pc to it by LAN ethernet. When you hook up the pc should say something like connected but without internet. When you have that message you can then type the router ip in on a web browser and it will pop up with a login. This is the router login. You can then put in the internet ip data in the DNS fields. Should have DNS1 and DNS2. If you do not know them you can contact your ISP for the details. They will try to convince you to go dynamic because they will not want to explain the whole setup more than likely. Static is the lock-in approach. If you do this and then lock your pc on the same network ip.
Say your router is 192.168.0.1 then you could go to the pc network settings, select the tcp/ip with a right-click and select properties from the list (newer operating systems will list two tcp/ip’s – one is ipv4 and the other is ipv6 – use ipv4) . There will be your ip and subnet data. Use the same DNS info in the bottom fields as the router. Use the subnet mask that it generates when you place the ip in. In this example 192.168.0.2 – 192.168.0.254 would be a good ip for any device on your network. The default subnet in this example will be 255.255.255.0 . The default gateway is your router IP address. You can do this on your PS3 and 360 as well.
No dumb cd’s and no problems connecting to the network. Granted if you have power issues any of these routers we have at home will have data problems that will require a power cycle to clear things up. You should never have to change the settings again. Just unplug the power to the router and modem if you have one, wait a few seconds and plug them in. They should regain connectivity and you should be able to use the net and internet. For all those who need protection on their Wireless, you can use the WEP and WPA key systems for weak security or you can learn some Bolean and Subnetting and lock down that router with limiting the host count. I would gladly help anyone that needs it. I have my router, a NETGEAR, locked down to 6 ip addresses and the router uses one itself so 5. Hacking is still doable but not near as easy. Keep them free-loaders off your net with the subnetting lock and key! : )
cheers serpantine and zindikar, i’ll try them options and will probably be in touch again,
thanks again.:)
I did try with out the cd at first but no matter what I did with it nothing worked for awile the pc wouldn’t even detect a network conection so I gave in and put the cd in the first thing it did was instal drivers to my pc then it detected the router the it was the what interne concton type do u use questions did them instaled the setings onto the router and it starts working but one thing I will say is other than the anoying set up it works really well gives 100% wireless conection to my phone don’t know about the ps3 or xbox haven’t tryed them there on wired ATM only get 90% on my psp though I don’t know why
The bottom line is what does the stock Xbox360 do that the PS3 can’t do? Absolutely nothing. What does the stock PS3 do that the Xbox360 can’t do? The PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies, has built in Wi-Fi, Instant Free online gaming (never have to waste X amount of dollars on an online gaming service which is equivalent to buying a game or movie), has true 1080p graphics because the games don’t have to be compressed to fit on a disk. These are all facts. All other arguments are subjective.
Um personally I would rather pay £35. Per year for on line gaming and play smooth games than get free ps3 on line and see that laggy shit all over again
Well if you’re saying ‘stock’ ie right out of the box, you certainly can’t game or watch blu-rays. Because you know, you buy games and blu ray movies seperately.
What can’t the PS3 do? Hmmm, use Wifi N? Have a first party controller with triggers?
Oh and btw, look up a list, the 360 has more games at native 1080 than the PS3 does.
I’m not saying that the 360 is better btw, just that your argument is terribly biased and in one way, misinformed and so I feel a need to mention the opposition’s strengths. I’m starting to lean towards the PS3 myself these days after previously being a champion of the 360 fanboys and it isin’t because it can play blu rays or be used as a George Foreman grill. ;)
No, it’s because of some good exclusives (can’t wait for Heavy Rain :D), the very real possibility PSN premium might suit me as well as XBL gold (I don’t mind paying for a fully featured experience, I even see it as an investment in entertainmen) and the ability to chuck in my own much higher capacity hard drive.
since when did conprestion affect the res
this lag on the PS3 business is the 360 gamers response to the PS3 gamers inaccurate thoughts on RROD, it’s not half as bad as the opposing camp maintains, MAG was cruelly retitled LAG by the MS aficionados which is entirely inaccurate.
if i want to create a valid argument i’ll state a fact like GTA4 had to be scaled down for the xbox, small details such as lighting, weather and various other graphical enhancements like the rims on the car wheels, minute details but it still stands that the PS3 ran it better.
but i don’t want to create an argument.
anyway, zindikar and serpantine, thanks again for your help, i have a chap calling tomorrow who enjoys all this fiddly connection stuff so i’ll let him take on board your suggestions :)
I think the epic lag differs by region or may have been fixed in an update or be the fault of an individual ISP or something.
When I first got a PS3 ages ago most games weren’t playable online because of lag, but these days it seems to have improved considerably and I’ve noticed MAG, despite it’s large number of players actually seemed just as smooth as most games I’ve played on my 360.
And newer 360 models not only seem to rarely RRoD but some stores will only accept tradeins on newer models for much the same reason. Of course, fanboys will be fanboys and most don’t do their research regularly when they can sling three years worth of crap instead.
About the GPU’s your slightly mistaken both the PS3 and 360 are at amount of (Think its 256) MB however the 360 has 48 free shaders for simple animations and shapes (maybe rigged). While Ps3 has 24 Pixel Shaders and 16 Vertex shaders fo complex animation and scaling(maybe rigged or not, most or series of complexfeatures. LBP is a good example thier maybe many peices but its still considered one.). The ps3 RS can render over 9 billion complex shapes in a 0.6 of a second. While the 360 can render over 900,000 simple fixed shapes in 0.33 of a second. The 360 2 (not 3) cores Fuaghter Dy(I think) and Sister Dy I think both are at 3.2Ghz. The ps3 is 3.2 x 7 is a much bigger number then the 360. Most games are made on 360 and ported down to ps3 which is why the 360 usually has better preformance and graphics on 360 then it does on ps3. FF13 is the one of the few multi plat games made on Ps3 and ported down to 360. Which is the game has a list of complicated things on the 360 such as the 3 or 4 disc set while sony only has just 1.So yes the 360 GPU has more shaders just not as much power. So the Ps3 is a much more powerful system then the 360 is in many ways. I know this because I have developed for the 360 and Ps3.
The cpu of the xbox is in fact a triple core. The system allocates some but not all of the clock time on 2 of the cores for background services. The GPU on the 360 is hands down the better setup. What the architecture does is allows the entire array of stream processors complete both vertex and shader operations as the load needs. The PS3 has many idle situations. The vertex shaders would more than likely stay fairly busy but the pixel shaders would find idle times frequently. The idea behind the Xenos is to hammer on what is in front of it and get more. The RSX is purely brute strength and relies on programmers to write code to better utilize the chip.
Programmers can do this and put better visuals out of the RSX than what can be seen on the Xenos but the Xenos can sustain a higher frame rate throughout the visual sequences. It is a simple as understanding that all the resources of one kind (vertex or pixel shade) are not needed all of the time. So the Xenos says well if the programming needs 30% of the clock to work on pixel shading and 70% on vertex, we will adapt to it. The RSX will just run idle times on the pixel shaders while it waits for work. You cannot make them do anything else. This is why Naughty Dog and Guerrilla both stated the importance of making the cell step up the pre-render so they could push the visual levels to another level. They feed the chip more to crunch on and make for the immaculate details they have.
I recall talking to an avid 360 user whom explained his dislike of the PS3 until he saw the level of detail put into UC2. I was surprised what his selling point was. He was at a friends house and saw the snow and how it reacted to the Drake. He said he had never witnessed the dusting and particle activities that they put into that game. It is part of the idea behind vector processing. It takes serious number crunching to emulate that level of physics. Some people will not have an appreciation for this and it will just look like a fanboy issue. It is just a touch of what is to come in gaming on all platforms in the future. Strap yourselves in for the ride.
Zindikar hit the nail on the head.
But even if people don’t understand the technical details, it was leaked years ago that the RSX was comparable to a midrange card at the time of the PS3′s release and if I recall correctly, originally it was planned the Cell itself would do all the work and the RSX was put in later.
i think that the ‘gta 4 on ps3 is better thingy’ is subjective. as i heard that the xbox 360 version had better shadign, or either 1 had something of this, and the other had something of that. apart from that, i dont think you could tell which 1 is the ps3 one or which 1 is the xbox 1 if you looked at a screen and couldnt see what console was running it.
My heartfelt sorrow to the Netgear router guy ( savo?). its hell, i know.
those routers mostly run on a moderate NAT even if it tries to fool you its on open. whenever i get a visit from my brother, i rarely play the ps3 online. netgear is to much damn trouble. especially since i had to send it back once and get a person to try and repair it.
RE: “I recall talking to an avid 360 user whom explained his dislike of the PS3 until he saw the level of detail put into UC2. ”
i too had the same encounter when i played killzone 2 to a 360 fanboy friend, he was enthralled by the detail on the screen, stuff like shrapnel and the outside level when the nuclear bomb is detonated and the wind is blowing across the sand, it melted his frozen 360 heart to such an extent that he bought a preowned PS3, killzone and uncharted 1 + 2.
it was’nt a total system conversion for him as he abhors the game pad which is pointed out on his PS3 profile – “ps3 pad sucks donkey balls”, apart from this small issue he is content to claim the ps3 as his new best friend, prior to this he was just one of them generic, annoying fanboys who hated all things ps3, now he just hates a few things…:)
as for the NAT and connection issues it seems that the vodafone bewan router i have is not for gaming, the port redirection settings proved as much to the mate i had round last night attempting to get me a wired connection, contrary to vodafone telling me…..
“The Bewan router that we are currently offering to our customers has the ability to customise NAT traversal. Included on the router are predefined settings for PS3, Xbox and others, found under the applications menu.”
i must have got the bewan prototype……
looks like i’m going down the “30ft ethernet cable up to the attic and down into my PS3 route”
For the first week we had the ps3 there was loads of lag then the update came and yay no lag untill I started useing the xbox or pc at the same time so I upgraded my net and vola no lag I don’t think eather of the consoles are better than the other ATM give it time and there be a load of new things on psn the question is what will ms do to stay ahead if the bother at all u never know untill it happerns btw dose anyone know what psn preimium is going to cost I surpose it will be cheaper than xbl won’t it ?
it will be relatively cheap, possibly around the £10 – £20 mark as all this proposed premium package will bring is small additions to the online service, stuff like access to exclusive demos, DLC and cross game chat, more variety to the PSN…
XBL users have been enjoying cross game chat for a while now but they are in essence paying for it.
sony like the advertising tag of “free online play” too much that they it’s inconceivable that they will start charging for the privilege.
Who cares about the price man, FEATURES!
Granted cheaper would be nice but I’d easily pay $50-$100 a year for more functionality.
Plus some of the theorized additional content doesn’t have an equivalent on XBL. I’m just hoping it all gets delivered, and on top of that, that it all gets delivered to Australia. Seriously we get screwed for content…
yeh i use ethernet for my xbox and a few of my old friends from high school a few years ago drilled holes through their houses. i personally wouldnt do nthis as i dont own the house, and i dont like the idea of drilling random holes through walls, but thats just me.
Another thing, i remember many ps3 people detesting microsoft or maybe just the idea of having to pay for online play, but i think we will see many hypocrites soon enough when ps3 has their premium online package or watever it is.
this has nothing to do with me having an xbox, but i honestly think ill see quite a few. depends on how many of the people i know buy the premium and how many admit to buying it to cover the hypocrisy, and so i cant say anything back to that crap. heheheheheh, i am really excited now. oh yes, the moment weve all been waiting for. cmon.
I’m in the market on deciding what system to get.. I’ve played Xbox 360 for year and I’m well aware of what kind of games it produces and what the gaming experience is like. However I’ve recently played MW2 on PS3. I’m not biased toards any system not am I a fan boy.. I don’t have much comparison to the 360 yet.. I’ve only played a few titles on the PS3, pretty good games but I’d be willing to bet that as far as shooters are concerned that Xbox version is probly better. I’m well aware of Halo and Gears of War and such.. so thts my comparison.. Also I don’t really like the gameplay on PS3 because the controller to me it seems that someone who isnt as skilled as you is able to kill you quickly because sometimes you knife at them or shot them but the controller doesn’t move as quick so you get killed.. atleast thats been my experience.. maybe its the control I’m just not used to because I kick ass on 360 games.
I know that someones going to say “BUY THE PS3 HAS A BLU RAY” my reply? so fucking what. If I wanted a DVD Blu Ray player I’d go buy one. I WANT A GAMING CONSOLE.
I WANT THE BEST SYSTEM THAT PROVIDES THE BEST GAME PLAYER, GAME EXPERIENCE, GRAPHICS, AND THATS MORE USER FRIENDLY.. ALSO I WANT THE SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO PRODUCE THE TOP NOTCH GAMES.
WHAT SYSTEM WOULD BE BEST FOR ME?
ALSO I LIVE ALONE AND MOST MY BUDDIES ARE MARRIED SO I THINK XBOX LIVE IS WELL SUITED FOR MY LIKING.
Well, why not have a blu-ray player AND a gaming console. Hence the ps3. Graphics on the newest ps3 exclusives look pretty damn amazing. User Friendly? the XMB menu is one of the simplistic menus I’ve seen, you’ve got Settings, Game, Video, Music, and Pictures, and Friends in their seperate folders. I always felt the 360 menu (before and after they redid it LOL) was clunky, confusing, and all kinds of unnecessary stuff. It’s so unorganized. The XMB is also on Sony’s Bravia and blu-ray players, so it transitions really well. Top Notch games? Uncharted 2 GOTY, Uncharted 1, Infamous, LBP, Killzone 2, MGS4 (going way back but still AMAZING), and soon FF13 and GT5(sometime), and also Heavy Rain, amongst many other great PSN+PS3 exclusive games. Mass Effect might come to the PS3, and I always thought Gears of War and Halo were kinda shitty, they got old FAST.
Oh, and wireless, bluetooth, rechargeable controllers, HDMI, All other peripherals, and hey, you can even run linux on it! PS3 Media Server makes streaming video painless, as it is somewhat confusing on the 360 to do so. Free online (and hey, if they decided to charge… WE’VE BEEN PLAYING FOR FREE SINCE THE PLAYSTATION 2!!!! GARARGH.
Oh, and $299 for a PS3 slim with the 120gb HDD is PRETTY FUCKING AMAZING.
Oh, and you can put whatever size HDD you want in it, unlike the 360 which I believe only goes to 250gb (need correcting on this possibly).
So, do yourself a favor and save the headache and go ps3, they have a much higher success rate.
Yea I guess so I’ve just never played too many games on the ps3 even back in the day I weas more of a N64 fan than playstation I never really got into Final Fantasy and shit.. but as far as Heavy Rain goes it LOOKS amazing.. however I think its lacking in game play to me it looks like more a movie.. like you walk around investigating stuff but all the game play is scene and button sequences.. I wouldn’t consider that “game play’ more toward the movie side I guess, but hey like I said thats what I’ve seen so far from it. Top be honest I don’t watch many movies just online or I grab a flick here and there to chill with a woman but other then that I just catch movies on Direct Tv. Also I’m not big on media I don’t even own an Ipod lmfao.. I know behind in times but I’m 26 single, back at home with my parents because I lost my job and the economy sucks.. all my buddies are married so I have alot of alone time in between classes and I get fairly bored. I go over my brothers house on friday nights sometimes to play with him and his fiances 6 yr old son on their ps3 we have a blast but I’m still questioning the ps3 the game titles they have arent that impressive except Saw is pretty damn cool.. wierd and greusome never seen a game like that. MW2 kicks ass but I think like its a hunch but I think Xbox version could be better possibly.. I guess its all about what kind games you prefer and what titles/makers pertain to your liking. I used to play DreamCast back in the day all the Sports game 2ks kicked ass, Shenmue was one of my favs too..
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Yea I guess so I’ve just never played too many games on the ps3 even back in the day I weas more of a N64 fan than playstation I never really got into Final Fantasy and shit.. but as far as Heavy Rain goes it LOOKS amazing.. however I think its lacking in game play to me it looks like more a movie.. like you walk around investigating stuff but all the game play is scene and button sequences.. I wouldn’t consider that “game play’ more toward the movie side I guess, but hey like I said thats what I’ve seen so far from it. Top be honest I don’t watch many movies just online or I grab a flick here and there to chill with a woman but other then that I just catch movies on Direct Tv. Also I’m not big on media I don’t even own an Ipod lmfao.. I know behind in times but I’m 26 single, back at home with my parents because I lost my job and the economy sucks.. all my buddies are married so I have alot of alone time in between classes and I get fairly bored. I go over my brothers house on friday nights sometimes to play with him and his fiances 6 yr old son on their ps3 we have a blast but I’m still questioning the ps3 the game titles they have arent that impressive except Saw is pretty damn cool.. wierd and greusome never seen a game like that. MW2 kicks ass but I think like its a hunch but I think Xbox version could be better possibly.. I guess its all about what kind games you prefer and what titles/makers pertain to your liking. I used to play DreamCast back in the day all the Sports game 2ks kicked ass, Shenmue was one of my favs too.. I used to play a few Ps games.. My brother also has UFC 2009 on ps3 I think the gameplay on that system though is terrible or just maybe I’m not used to the controller but its too repetitive.
I still have shenmue on my dreamcast and after all this time i’m still pissed they never made a third one to finish the story, my other favourite dreamcast game is jet set radio (jet grind radio in the US), i’m still hoping that it will maybe one day turn up on psn like REZ and soul calibur did on xbox live. Back in my day i actually prefered the ill fated sega saturn over original playstation with quality titles such as shining force and panzer dragoon saga.
MW2 is almost identical on both consoles but in my opinion its overatted and over priced as the single player campaign can be completed in about five hours and i personally thought the multiplayer online was boring.
haha hell yea Shenmue was the shit Jet Set Radio was as well those games were pretty bad ass. I’ve yet to really see another game like Shenmue it kinda reeled you in the stroy line and everything but comparing it to Heavy Rain i see alot of similarties with the action scenes and button sequences lol.. even one scene I saw said “So tell me about the man in that blue car” and on Shenmue he’s like “about that day? about that black car” LOLLL
If you want shooters I’d recommend finding a way to play both Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 before you make up your mind about a purchase as both are good games and both are exclusive to one of the consoles. I’m not too big on shooters myself but have noticed the CoD games do seem a bit different on each console and that the 360 controller’s triggers can’t be beaten for that kind of game.
I’m gonna disagree with Rhetorik on the PS3′s user friendliness based on my own experience. Each of those ‘simple’ menus has a ton of options with a few needing a bit of time to find, the PS3 occasionally won’t give you sound while using a HDMI cable. There was nothing about this in the manual and messing with the sound settings didn’t help. Instead I had to go online and find out I had to turn my TV off and back on for it to work. I like the huge amount of options, don’t get me wrong, but they’re organised better on the 360 with all the most common tasks being connected to a menu brought up by a single button (the guide button) on the 360 controller.
I also don’t feel any desire to buy a Bravia or Sony blu-ray player based solely on my game console when there are much better alternatives around. Quite expensive for a peripheral I might add… :p
When playing online a wired connection is always superior, but say you did feel a need to go wireless, the PS3 is stuck with wireless G as it’s builtin. The 360 needs a peripheral to provide wireless but because it’s external they can release newer dongles (Wireless N) whenever the technology improves.
And are you saying that the PS3 comes with all peripherals out of the box Rhetorik? Because I didn’t get a headset with mine like I did my 360. And I didn’t get any peripherals optional on both consoles like a chatpad or HDMI cable neither. Or an ethernet cable like I got with my 360 now that I think about it…
Also you can’t run Linux on the PS3 slim. They dropped support for alternative consoles. Not that I mind overly much though as Linux ran terribly on the PS3 and the only thing I ever used it for was homebrew games with minimal requirements.
250gb is overkill. I have thousands of dollars of content (and several installed games) on one 250gb hard drive and I still have 90gb free on it. I do love how much cheaper and easier it is to upgrade my PS3′s hard drive, but 250gb is plenty. If you don’t spend as much on gaming (which I’d guess to be the case if you’re sore on the cost of peripherals), you probably wouldn’t easily fill a 120gb hdd.
Eric2010, I would advise waiting until PSN premium comes out and the two premium online services are compared, but my advice on what console to get is to look at which console has games you’d prefer and which has the better controller for games you’d prefer. I’m not into those 2k sport games, but I think they’re on both consoles and you can buy the xbox version of Shenmue 2 and play it on a 360 via the xbox bc. Possibly one of my fave series myself. =D
Silver,
I have had my original ps3 fo a few years and recently got a slim but i have never once had a problem with the sound through the HDMI cable. The XMB is way simpler than the messy xbox 360 dashboard, way to many sub menus and i still find it cumbersome to use. I would bet money that if you got someone who has no experience on either console to try both they would find the XMB the easier setup. The NXE is total fail for me, the only good thing it has is game installs to shut up my noisy xbox 360, but i still prefered it the way it was originally and another thing why is it when you install more than a one disc game like mass effect 2 you still have to swap the bloody discs?
Because it doesn’t effect everyone.
It has effected a lot of people though and when you go through display devices/sound systems like I do it’s almost definete you’ll run into something like that eventually. It wouldn’t kill Sony to mention it in the manual or something rather than users requiring to look up fixes by other users on forums or spend a ton of time figuring out a fix on their own.
I’d take your bet solely on how I’ve actually had to help people here set up their PS3 or get a part of the experience working optimally. Though the majority of users here have 360s, I’ve had fewer who’ve needed me to do anything.
As for disc swapping, it’s to combat piracy. The disc that is being used has to stay in the tray. Yeah it sucks they have to take these measures but it’s because a lot of people would rather get a free ride than pay. Of course you can buy a lot of games digitally as Games on Demand that don’t require a disc, but when you’re finished with it you can’t get any of your money back.
Piracy? exactly how does it stop that? If you have a modded dvd drive to accept pirated games how does swapping disc stop that.
I still disagree with you on the XMB, for general navigating through the menus its much easier and less flashy, and if the xbox 360 dashboard was so user friendly then why does it come with its own tutorial? There are some things good about the xbox but this is not one of them.
As for the sound problem, although i’ve never experienced it on the ps3 after having searched it would seem that some poeple do have problems but its mostly messing around in the automatic sound and HDMI settings seems to be the cause.
Simple. Install a game to hdd, don’t require the disc to be in the drive and hey presto everyone passes around a single copy of the game.
I see NXE like I do a qwerty keyboard. You have to learn the layout but once you do it becomes second nature. And it has one tutorial more than the PS3 has, handy considering the PS3 requires a good deal of experimentation instead.
A lot of people have had problems with the sound. =D
Yea I’m still weighing the pros and cons of each i’ve yet to decide but I like both equally so far.. like I said I’ve played many titles on 360 which I loved playing with friends and such and me and my bro have a good time playing Modern Warfare 2 but it just feels like something missing on that game.. don’t get me wrong its a good game but sometimes its wayyy too easy to kill someone and almost anyone can get a kill also we were playing mulitplayer tonight 3 of us and when we got close to one another the gameplay lagged with explosions and such, still not nothing I care too much about though
trust me unless you download tons of demos or download LOADS of stuff to your console 250gb is quite enough, i get by just fine with 60, but im not a very serious gamer
I fill up my 40 no problem and I’m constantly deleting stuff, but if you have a lot of games and demos, it can fill up rather quickly.
Nah I’d rarely download anything probly just play a few games here and there or with friends
oh I see it just takes a second to refresh sorry for so many posts lol
i think that we should start a post onward that lists the games on both 360 and ps3 that are EXCLUSIVE just to get an idea of what both consoles have to offer. Please do add to this list by means of copy and paste. Also when you add a game to one side try and add another on the opposite side. Only add GOOD games, none of that barbies dream land crap, only QUALITY titles. Lets only add DISC BASED games to start out with please. Well ill start the show.
PS3………………………………………………………………………360
Metal Gear Solid 4………………………………………………….Crackdown
Killzone 2……………………………………………………………….Halo 3
Uncharted 2…………………………………………………………..Gears of War 2
Infamous……………………………………………………………….Mass Effect PC
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction………….Forza Motorsport 2
MAG…………………………………………………………………….Mass Effect 2 PC
Resistance: Fall of Man…………………………………………..Fable 2
Uncharted 1………………………………………………………….Gears of War 1 PC
Motorstorm Pacific Rift……………………………………………Left 4 Dead PC
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue……………………………………….Forza Motorsport 3
LittleBigPlanet……………………………………………………….Left 4 Dead 2 PC
Demon’s Souls……………………………………………………….Dead Rising
Ratchet and Clank Future: Crack in Time………………….Halo Wars
God of War Collection……………………………………………Halo ODST
MLB 09 The Show…………………………………………………
TO BE RELEASED
Heavy Rain (2-28-10)…………………………………………..Metro 2033 PC (3-16-10)
God of War 3 (3-16-10)…………………………………………Alan Wake (4-18-10)
Yakuza 3 (3-9-10)………………………………………………….Crackdown 2(2010)
Gran Turismo 5 (TBA)……………………………………………Halo Reach(2010)
The Last Guardian (TBA)………………………………………Fable 3 (2010)
Mod Nation Racers(2010)………………………………………..Splinter Cell: Conviction (2010)
Final Fantasy 13 versus(TBA)……………………………….Prey 2(2010)
Twisted Metal (TBA)……………………………………………….
Welll here is my list, i am pretty sure i covered most of them. Feel free to add as you wish and correct mistakes i have made, i am only human, or am i? If you do plan on adding a game please make sure the title is of good quality before you add it. Dont add filler games. Remember kids, what good is a super computer if you and only check radiation and science stuff with it. Also just because its got alot of games for it doesnt make it good, im looking at you wii, although there is still some fun games for it. Remember to copy and paste this, just the games though, not all this filler text here and up there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_exclusives_(seventh_generation)
Has the crappy ones as well but it seems to list pretty much everything. ;)
i thought it was established at the end of 2008 that xbox 360 was also getting final fantasy 13.
and also, its easy to dismiss gears of war and halo as bad games when you dont own them and you are one sided.
yes it is but this is final ffantasy 13 VERSUS. its a different version
He was talking to Rhetorik. lol
And if Rhetorik was referring to VERSUS he should have written VERSUS.
Actually I played through Co-op on both games of GoW, still overly impressed. It was fun but not anything spectacular. I’ve played through the campaign for halo 2, and have played several multiplayer matches. Zzzzzz, next please.
i agree with moogle101. MW2 is very overrated. the campaign even on veteran seemed not like a traditional cod game, as it was too easy and the online, weve been playing it for years.
moogle101, you should try jet set radio future on xbox, it was one of the first games out on it, its awesome, the music and all. obviously the original xbox, and on xbox i also had the panza dragoon orta, great game.
one of my all time favourites though was conkers bad fur day on N64, which later got released onto original xbox: Conker Live And Reloaded, which came with the original, except updated.
i also think that gta4 is another of the most overrated games in history, just like MW2. dont get me wrong, they are fantastic games, just overrated. for instance, gta 4 was given like 100% by many reviewers, or there abouts, but ive played games that are way better IMO, and they have recieved less.
The thing is these days, all the pre release hype corrupts reviewers minds and they automatically say it is the best game ever, almost as if they are a fanboy of the developer or the series or something, which i think is pathetic as their job is to be free of bias when rating games. well, at least an ethical way. unless of course some developers pay them for a good review.
like cod mw2 was not going to be banned in aus, simply because it was going to be the biggest game of the year, possibly history up in till now. Yes, australia doesnt have an R rating for games, but this year we get a say in some sort of paper, so everyone old enough to vote can say wether we should have an R18+ rating.
Alien Vs Predator recently ( 2 months ago) avoided total bann in aus, unless a revised edition was made, but well, looks like we are getting it full gore and violence. going to get it next weekend.
OFF TOPIC, i do believe xbox 360 controllers are better for shooters, as the TRIGGERS are made for it. then, on the downside, the ps3 is much better for fighters. the D-PAD on the xbox 360 in my opinion, is terrible. SF4, TEKKEN 6, Blaz Blue, Guilty Gear SC4, all fantastic on the ps3. but on xbox, you might need to buy an arcade stick.
I agree on overrated games, I honestly preferred PS2/xbox era GTAs to IV. Possibly the added realism that killed it for me.
I think it’s fairly safe to objectively say the 360′s d-pad sucks though. I mean did anyone have a positive experience with an unmodified one? To be fair though, even the PS3′s d-pad seems like absolute shite compared to SNES/Genesis d-pads which made me buy third party controllers for both consoles for fighting games.
I have a sega saturn pc usb control pad that actually works on ps3, strangely i can even play games like motorstorm with it, best pad ever for fighting games.
Street fighter IV ones? I have one for both my ps3 and my 360 and they both feel so incredibly good to use. :)
Yeah i have one of those street fighter 4 fight pads(chun li version) for the xbox 360, but the best pad ever for fighting games was the sega saturn model 2 pad and they made a usb PC version, it has a six button layout and the most responsive d-pad. The ps3 is not fussy about control pads as some usb PC pads work fine on it.
Just found out it’s VERY fussy. I honestly didn’t know you could use generic pads before hand and when I read it I excitedly plugged in my wired 360 controller which does work on PC. It didn’t work on 360.
Only one of my USB gamepads did work on the PS3, a logitech one.
Yeah i have jet set radio future and also i have the official soundtrack (awesome) to both games. Although i have panzer dragoon orta sadly it it always freezes on one of levels on the xbox 360, so is incompletable and i don’t have a original xbox to play it on anymore.
Gta 4 is not as much fun as the older ones wich is why i laughed when xbox fan boys use to boast about having exclusive dlc and then sales turned out to be poor for dlc considering how much microsoft payed for it and now its coming to ps3 but does anyone realy care or want it on the ps3?
The funny part was that the DLC was the more entertaining part with better player controlled characters. It wasn’t the only DLC to come out on XBL months before PS3 though. Lol
Actually the funny part is that microsoft are so scared of fair competition that they pay large sums of money for exclusive dlc, hence why ps3 get dlc months later.
Meaning of course that I get my content much faster than someone without a 360. Hilarious.
Seriously considering Sony have some of the better first party developers MS does need something. With both consoles I get it all, and fast. =D
you can buy them trigger things for the ps3 pad these days, i had to get them for my shooters after the 360 was exiled, the 360 pad is better for them alright but as was already pointed out the D-pad is terrible, PES on the ps3 uses the D-pad for certain movements which are unavailable on the 360 pad.
and as to “mehmeh;s” anticipation of the hypocrisy by ps3 gamers relating to the premium subscription, the subscription is not for online play which will remain free, it’s for extended warranties, exclusive DLC, cross game chat and other varied options, non subscription will NOT affect the online gaming.
do new people here bother reading previous posts?
i dont think that is what mehmeh meant, just saying that some ps3 people will pay for it, and still say how crap it is that you have to pay for xbox 360 online. although, yes, online gaming is still free, which is the main thing.
the old gta’s were better, IMO, just some new people jumping onh the bandwagon, which is ok btw, but they will say gta4 is better because they never played the older ones.
i reember a friend, who got COD 5 (WAW) as the first COD game he ever got, and defended it saying it was the best one, although he had never plaed others. so when he finally played 4, he said that was better.
i liked saints row, because i just stuffed around and the aiming and targeting was better, and saints row 2 for similar reasons. i wasnt to big on gta 4, although it was still a great game and all.
i think what ps3 needs is another soul reaver/ legacy of kain(kane??) thingy.
i remember spending countless nights playing soul reaver on the ps1, the gameplay and cinematics were ahead of its time. i think that is why dreamcast didnt really compete with ps1. the games on the ps1 were awesome. lol ape escape, time crisis, point blank(cmon, it was fun, using the gun), spyro,.. the final fantasy games were absolutley huge.
that was back in the day where if you didnt preorder a game, they would run out of stock and youd have to buy it second hand somewhere.
oh well, i could have 50 other games there but thats even if i could remember all of their names. the good old days.
MW2 is actually quite rubbish, the original COD games on the PC were vastly superior to todays pretentious nonsense but seeing as it’s the forerunner in FPS’s it’;s a reflection on how bland that genre has got, bad company 2 is shaping up to be a serious contender and will hopefully refresh the whole shooter experience,
MAG for all it’s failure tried to instil something new but alas all these people who were introduced to online shooting via the COD series and MW2 in particular treat it like just another run and gun exercise.
when you hark back to the psone era games seemed to offer more, syphon filter (1+2) still stand as probably two of the best games i have ever played, thank god for PSN and it’s supply of classics
yea I agree man definately.. and Army of 2.. I played that I can’t even express in terms how much that game completely sucks, the controls are terrible, the game play is hideous, the graphics.. shitty
yeah, and the big deal they made about it was going to shit all over the original
yah know what you mean. i think COD has had its time. im over it, i only got MW(1) before christmas and id say the matchmaking is absolutely terrible. ive heard the pc matchmaking is good, and i dont know about the ps3 one, but the xbox one is terrible. No prioritising connection, and puts all veterans of the game on one team, and all the noobs on the other. plus, despite how talked up it is, it still suffers from lag, just like any other game. but you ask and COD fanboy and theyll disagree completely. I respect MAG for creating something new, that is more than what i could ever say about COD, especialy MW upwards.
oh, i laughed at the LAG thing, though whether the game experiences that or not, it was inevitably going to be called that. Just like peoplesay for this
HALO= GALO ( pronounced GAY – LO)
Gears Of War ( gears of lag, queers of war)
Killzone ( Queerzone)
people will put shit on anything, though people should appreciate MAG as that is the building block for MMOFPS’s of the future.
LOL….. galo…queers of war,
the match making is horrible on both 360 and PS3, the main benefit with MW2 on the PS3 is the ping count, whereas the 360 just puts you into the quickest available game the PS3 pings you and settles on your relevant settings, unless your lucky enough to have a very low ping it can take some time, my ping level is usually 90 – 100, this ping thing has mislead the 360 crew to declare the PS3 online MW2 is crap when actually you suffer from less lag.
MAG is a wonder with no lag whatsoever, the servers are maintained every morning from 10 – 11 am when it’s unavailable but thats a small price to pay for uninterrupted gaming, still it has’nt stopped my local gamestop staff poking fun at it and still call it LAG, funny thing, i thought it would’nt play on a xbox which is all they will play on so their opinions are basically invalid.
ass effect :)
well quite a few things have come out on xbox first, then later come out on ps3. though, i do recall my brother having bragging rights to the batman arkham asylum dlc as the ps3 version got to play as the joker and have other missions and stuff. i dont know whether the xbpx version got the dlc or not, or whether they will, as i have played the game, enjoyed it and am done with it. although, knowing microsoft they’ll try and charge us for it lol.
so Halo Reach is due for release in september this year. i think the 26th. ive just seen a few screenshots from the early stages of development, and ill just say it looks amazing. it is the best graphics a halo game can get without ‘not looking halo’. i mean, if they made it look like COD it might please a few more kids, but then it wouldnt exactly be Halo. Considering these are 7 months prior to release, im very impressed. whether or not they change, im not sure. The more i hear about Halo Reach and the more i see about it the more excited im getting. at this stage, im almost more excited about this as i am God Of War 3 at the moment.
Just a question, i recently got a 55inch Samsung LED tv, and it was very expensive. i was just wondering whether LED’s are ‘built’ for games, like LCD’s. ive already invited my brother to come over with God Of War 3 when it comes out, but i dont want to copromise the TV too much. ill still play on it probably though, i mean they gave me 4 or 5 hdmi ports, and what am i supposed to do with them right?
anyway, i really hope microsoft can make a larger disc format soon because i have a feeling in the long run xbox 360 0wners are going to miss out on some sweet games because the developers couldnt be screwed putting the game on 3 discs. peace.
sorry, i forgot to put the link to the Halo Reach screenshots.
http://www.onpause.org/2010/02/three-new-halo-reach-screens-released.html
cya. hopefully there arent to many Halo haters out there that will deny it beauty. although you have to view the screenshots full screen.
well that is true, i think microsoft paid $50 million for the GTA 4 dlc, but then, its all fair competition. i mean sony have had their fair share of similar things im sure.
i would like to say this is fair, but then, i think all dlc should be released on time on both consoles, not one then the other. i do hope ps3 premium is very good, as hopefully this will keep microsoft on their toes and give the xbox live subscribers more for there money, not more money for more i hope. although, i dont know what else their is to offer for online stuff, i mean cross game chat is one of the biggest. maybe making it easier or faster somehow?
oh yeah this is totally awesome. while i was panning through my sisters room, i found 2 street fighter 2 controllers for ps2. some anniversary edition with cardboard box art and other cool stuff.
http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=street+fighter+controllers+for+ps2&aq=f&oq=&start=0
that is just a google images link of the comtrollers, although they look much cooler when your holding one. the thing in the middle is a hologram, and it has a signature from the guy who made street fighter or something. anyways, just thought id say something differnet
I have two of those myself. Street fighter was always big down here and gamesmen had them on sale a few years back for $20 each as noone wanted to pay full price. Even the boxes were cool with the certificate of authenticity, comic and stickers.
Silver,
You just admitted that NXE takes time to learn therfore not user friendly and the XMB is easy to understand the basics, i fail to see how its complicated. I had a xbox 360 before a ps3 so i should be used to it more but i still find the ps3 easier to use in general. Have you tried linking your xbox to a PC or laptop for media streaming, it simply does not work as well as it should, yet my ps3 has no problems with this. I think we should just have to agree to disagree unless someone else has anything to add on either side.
Yeah, but most can figure out the NXE without any help. It’s just it takes a while before everything becomes completely intuitive. After a day or two you can do anything from the guide button whereas the PS3 still has several options in places that aren’t so intuitive and doesn’t mention other things in the printed materials.
I will concede the media sharing point though. Never something I was interested in but it is a total bitch to setup on the 360.
yeah silver. there the ones, with the certificate and all. LOL my sister said she paid $20 for them at JB HIFI. she got the ken and ryu. still sealed lol, she just uses them as display now.
anyway, at first i thought the ps3′s interface was intimidating, blank and dull with too many things branching off one another. i got used to it, but not as quickly as i got used to the xbox one. even my cousin who is 10 years old can navigate his way through the xbox dashboard and interface easily. just prees the guide button and the most important stuff is there. though i cant say which is more user friendly.
Thank you for your review. out of all the reviews on the internet i found yours to be the most enjoyable to read. I appreciate your unbias opinion and i find the fanboy mud chucking quite entertaining.
Silver, moogle101.
Surely both the NXE & XMB will take some time to learn, so whichever console you’re using you’re still going to have to get accustomed to a new menu system unlike anything on a PC.
I personally find the XMB very intuitive, & had it nailed down on pretty much the first day I owned the console. Don’t know what you mean by PS3 has options in places that aren’t intuitive. Suppose that’s down to personal taste. I find everything is pretty much where I need it, & the more obscure menus at the bottom the settings list are going to be the ones you use the least anyway.
The XMB must have something going for it. It won the “Technology & Engineering Emmy Award for “Outstanding Innovation and Achievement in Advanced Media Technology for the Best Use of Personal Media Display and Presentation Technology” in 2006.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XrossMediaBar
Forgive me if I’m wrong but aren’t the Emmys related to television generally? And I do recall the PS3 came out November 2006 in the earliest territories it was available, and the Emmys were months before November. This to me would indicate the award was either for television based XMB interfaces or for it’s contribution in general in precious devices. Television I can see why the award was given as it has less options and is more simple than the PS3 interface. I just feel I shouldn’t need to have to look up how to set my console for gaming when first party documentation doesn’t covet everything. Dingdong’s not the only one that knows kids who can figure out the XMB well neither.
Of couse that could be a part of why there’s so many more whiney brats on XBL than PSN which could be a blessing in disguise for PSN users. ;)
LOL whiney brats.
well i’ve just completed a very profanity strewn message battle with a whiney brat on MAG, he was one of them idiots who has no understanding off the decorum required for online shooters and was breaking the cardinal rule of “no spawn kills”, he was content to pick up position deep in his own territory and was scoped into our spawn area, any person re-spawning was lucky to get 2 steps back into battle, he had a final tally of 34 kills to 0 deaths, i felt the need to castigate him, which resulted in a deluge of immature name calling and preposterous threats to my existence :)
my point is that regardless of console it is inevitable people will occasionally meet complete and utter arseholes online,
lol, whiney brats. ive had the sort to send me death threats too, well from the lazy kind who want you to fly over the other end of the world so they can kill you, why not?
Ive had people bitch about me after and during a game about being the host in gears of war 2, which i wasnt anyway. the thing i hate about ‘team’ games is that people are so abnoxious and only care about themselves and their scores, thus, making it not a real team game. i also care about my score, but no to the point where i would abandon my team mates so i can say at the end of the game ” well, my team got annihilated, but at least my KD went up”. its terrible, i think if there werent so many selfish people MAG would have destroyed the online in COD, although i myself am not much of a fan of COD anyway, as it didint introduce us to a new genre, mainly style, as rainbow six had pretty much been stripped blind by infinity ward starting with COD 4.
I think spawnkilling is an unwritten rule where if anybody does it, they’re scum who shouldnt be playing the game. but then, if you have seen saving private ryan, spawn killing is taken to a whole new level. maybe spawn killers think they are soldiers during WWII???
i think not, as people back then at least had balls.
the thing i hate the most is that people complain about others laggy host, where they are given the choice to host but choose not to, especially when they are the only ones lagging.
Guys, I have owned the X-Box 360 and I must say it is a sad system, I got rid of mine because I was sick of paying for every little thing. I now own the PS3 slim and I tell you this system ROCKS! WOW! I hooked the system up in minutes, and played a game. What really has me sold is the fact is now you can surf the whole web just like on a computer. Also, the ps3 has outstanding graphics and the Blue Ray is top notch! Nexflix is now able to used you just need a CD that Nextflix will send you to for free. The gaming on the PS3 far outdoes X-Box360 in that the response time is quicker and the controller is easier to handle. Guys, my thought in another two years PS3 will be the gaming system that most people will own. X-Box 360 here soon won’t be able to keep up.. Just my thoughts..
this has gone on long enough! WHERES THE NEXT COMPARISON?!
spawn killers and these online snipers are the cowards of modern gaming, i hate snipers and wish game developers would omit them form future games.
there is nothing more irritating than getting popped from a distance by some unseen retard who ultimately finishes the game with only 5 kills. on MW2 you have a kill cam which at least gives you some idea where he is if you want to exact revenge, on BF 1943 and MAG there is no such luxury and you really have to look out for his tracer trail but when the sniper is camped in his own spawn area there is very little you can do only gripe, question his parents marital status and wish infernal pox upon his genitalia.
never have i played on a COD/MW game where teamwork took centre stage, even these capture the flag maps where it is needed usually descend into team deathmatch battles.
i know my comments usually reflect back on MAG for some reason but i have another rage issue, now i’m very acceptable of worldwide gaming and all it brings but how in the name of divine jesus can MAG’s hope and ideals for online shooters work when i am constantly aligned to a squadron full of italians, french, germans and other non english speaking countries, i’m not been racist here but it is quite difficult to either issue or obey orders when nobody understands,
yeah, it will be interesting to read the next instalment to see if the PS3 has finally reached parity regarding 360 sales and onlineisms.
I have a PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii, never use the Wii and last year both the Xbox 360 and PS3 broke at the same time! The Xbox was just less than 3 years old and got replaced no quibble.
The PS3 was 18 months old and the blue ray failed – that cost me £128 for a reconditioned replacement – Microsoft won that one hands down.
Another problem I have had with PS3 disks is that they crack in the middle when you remove them from their case and they are unplayable – this has happened to me 3 or 4 times now and it does not seem easy to get a replacement and is rubbish or £40 disks.
Anyway my consensus is buy the games which are intended for the platform. Ratchett and clank was great for the PS3 but fallout 3 was annoying due to frequent crashes. I did however prefer GTA IV on the PS3 -I had both formats and it just felt better on the PS3. I bought Bioshock 2 last week for the Xbox and enjoyed it as I decided that this was the developers favoured platform (whether they will admit it..) and didn’t want the PS3 niggles experienced with fallout 3 affecting my enjoyment of the game – that’s how I intend to play it in the future. That seems to make the most sense to me and when I buy fallout Vegas it will be for the XBox.
The PS3 is worth it for the Blue-ray player on its own if you are a movie watching type so remember that!
Both going at the same time? Ouch.
I can give you some advice for the discs though. I’m guessing the packaging differs there as the Aussie ones pop the disc out easy, but I had some TV on DVD sets with cases too tight for the disc. Get a disc case. No risk of breakage after getting them out that first time.
Spring for a scratch resistant one though as some disc cases are terrible.
Its not PS3′s fault that you are too retarded to take a game out of a case. Learn to use your fat greasy fingers better.
you’re supposed to press the centre ring of the case and the disc pops out. if you’re just pulling them out then thats why they crack
I have a PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii, never use the Wii and last year both the Xbox 360 and PS3 broke at the same time! The Xbox was just less than 3 years old and got replaced no quibble.
The PS3 was 18 months old and the blue ray failed – that cost me £128 for a reconditioned replacement – Microsoft won that one hands down.
Another problem I have had with PS3 disks is that they crack in the middle when you remove them from their case and they are unplayable – this has happened to me 3 or 4 times now and it does not seem easy to get a replacement and is rubbish or £40 disks.
Anyway my consensus is buy the games which are intended for the platform. Ratchett and clank was great for the PS3 but fallout 3 was annoying due to frequent crashes. I did however prefer GTA IV on the PS3 -I had both formats and it just felt better on the PS3. I bought Bioshock 2 last week for the Xbox and enjoyed it as I decided that this was the developers favoured platform (whether they will admit it..) and didn’t want the PS3 niggles experienced with fallout 3 affecting my enjoyment of the game – that’s how I intend to play it in the future. That seems to make the most sense to me and when I buy fallout Vegas it will be for the XBox.
The PS3 is worth it for the Blue-ray player on its own if you are a movie watching type so remember that!
WOW, you made sure you’d get your point across LOL.
That was a very interesting and informative article. I am neither a 360 or PS3 owner, (the last games consol i owned was a super niintendo!) however i am about to graduate and come in to the money. I am looking to set up a kind of media center and feel i owe myself a decent games consol. I am swaying towards a PS3 because of the blu ray player and multimedia compatibility. I would certainly be using it to watch movies both blu ray and AVI format. My question kinda relates to this. Are you able to hook up and browse through an external hard drive and play back flies from there? on either or both consols? this feature would be essential for me as a lot of my DVD library is digital. I also tend to play online games from my PC so the online aspect is not as important. If anyone has any advice or reccommendations i’d like to hear them.
Thanks
JJ
If your primary purpose is multimedia playback I would definetely go with the PS3.
I’m not really into using my consoles for multimedia playback but I do know you can stream media from your PC to both consoles, but would make an educated guess the PS3 is more flexible with other forms of playback based on my experiences with the interface.
If games are your primary purpose I’d recommend looking into which games would interest you most. If you have a particular genre you’re into, mention it here and I’m sure a few people will throw some choice titles out there for you to look into.
I have never broken one of my discs ( pat on the back to me ) but i have had very difficult and stressful moments taking a disc out. i tend to find that the limited edition version of games have stupid disc pop out things, for instance, when i got gears of war 2, i was to scared to play it, because to play it i had to pretty much break my finger, or more importantly, bend the disc so far back it would snap. another classic example is halo 3, people had to return it as the limited edition was reasonably hard to remove, ( and the rubber edges of the case scratched it to. i think you could ask the shop owner you bough it from or if you go to your local EB games, or something like that. the employees there should know. they deal with putting discs in and taking them out all day, so if you take your case in and ask them the best way to take out the disc im sure they can help. apparently having the console vertical (standing up ) scratches the discs more than having the console horizontal. i have my console horizontal, that is, when its at home and not under repair. should be back tomorrow though.
I’ve only had one disc break on me, & it was GTAIV which my better half got when she got me the PS3. It cracked right in the centre, but it was a particularly stiff fitting. Argos swapped it straight out. Apart from that haven’t had any problems with cracks or scratches.
I own a PS3 but it has been messed up for over a week. It continues to freeze on me or it will just cut off sometimes. I am considering purchasing an XBOX 360. Is it correct that the XBOX 360 does not come built with Wi-Fi? So does this make it difficult to set up a wireless connection for the 360? I have to admit that I am not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to connecting systems for online gaming. I feel that from reading these articles I have been convinced that I should purchase a 360 because I love playing NCAA Football 10 online. But if setting up a wireless connection is difficult than maybe I shouldn’t go that route. If I buy a 360, how do I set up a wireless connection and what accessories do I need to purchase also? I would really appreciate some feedback, thanks.
Firstly if your PS3 is under warranty, it’d probably be best to claim that. Even if you get a 360, at least you’ll have the working PS3 you’re entitled to.
As for 360 wireless, all you need is an official MS dongle which plugs into one of the 360′s USB ports and is basically plug’n'play. The beauty of this is you can buy one of two models, the older wireless G or the newer wireless N, PS3 can only use wireless G. But regardless of console I’d recommend a wired connection if possible, just a network cable from console to router. Can’t beat that setup. ;)
Rell, settin up wireless for 360 is NOT difficult…if ur completely inept then ask a frnd to handle it…not difficult remotely
it is not difficult to set up a wireless connection on the XBox 360 there is an XBox 360 Wireless network adaptor you can buy for 100 bucks and it plugs into one of your XBox 360 USB Ports then from the XBox Dashboard you can connect your 360′s wireless network adaptor to your router
yeah i’ve noticed that wired connection is better, i use a network adapter that plugs into the wall one by the console and one by the internet thing because an ethernet cable wouldn’t be possible for me. They’re expensive but worth it
Cool thanks Silver…
Anyone had error code 8001050F on ps3 today? Luckily my ps3 slim is unaffected but the two older ps3′s in my house are.
3 PS3′s?
Honestly?
that error is a fault in the internal clock with the old style fatboy PS3′s, it is supposed to be rectified today, i was playing online last night and was talking to people who have the fatboy and were not affected at all.
i’d say the 360 fringe are just creaming themselves about now
I was playing my slim that day thankfully, so no trouble for me at all.
As for 360 fringe remarks, they’re just out for blood over the RRoD ribbing they still get even with newer, more reliable revisions.
My contribution:
IT DOES EVERYTHING. Even Y2K.
I wouldn’t take it too seriously though. I used to myself, but some fanboys will be total retards and it’s really not worth dropping to their level. Make jokes, have fun, play games on all the machines you have.
i also heard it was a reaction to the hacking news that broke earlier, somebody somewhere tampered with something which was impenetrable resulting in this code error, maybe that’s just nonsense, i for one am glad to have the slimline model,
when i first heard about it was at the local astro turf pitch where i play my usual bout of football, a mate of mine started on about it and i was completely unaware of such an event, he is a self confessed 360 fanboy warrior and was delighted that such a thing had happened, seeing as i was completely ignorant of this matter i asked him did it affect his 360, he told me he did’nt know as his is broken since january, needless to say this faux pas of an admission turned the direction of the LOL’s in his direction :)
wow i just read that in the newspaper yesterday, the Herald Sun, that the older ps3′s werent working online, but the slim ones were. news travels fast. though i do remember an old friend having the old model, and i also remember him telling me how crap microsoft are for having a maintanence day……………oh well, couldnt be bothered finding him and teasing him lol.
it happens to microsoft to, so it would be a never ending cycle of people teasing he other.
First of all, I am a 360 fan, second, regarding RRoD, people say that the RRoD is impossible to not get, well I got it and i sent my console to microsoft, they fixed sent it back and I havn’t got the RRoD so far. I got it two years ago.
Jason,
Maybe I’m missing your point, but you say you haven’t got the RROD so far, but yet you say you sent your console to Microsoft because you got it. Contradiction much?
I do agree though that people should stop harping on about RROD now, it’s in the past. Saying that, the majority of posts I see going on about it now are 360 owners trying to defend the xbox when there’s not actually that much ribbing about the the whole red ring thing anymore. Yeah, there’s always some PS3 fanboy who won’t drop the subject, but I think it should just be ignored now.
I still have no plans to get a 360 though.
i own a ps3 but i hardly know anyone else who does. the majority owns xbox 360s
i believe the success of the 360 was because everyone got it, therefore more started to go with the crowd. they picked on the ps3′s price at the start of the ps3′s launch and its lack of games.
but now i think more are turning to ps3, its the same price as a 360, its got blu ray, good titles (uncharted 2, metal gear solid, and gran turismo is coming soon). plus all the ‘good’ titles are available for both now anyways.
so the clear choice is the ps3.
some are just stubborn and believe what xboxers say even though most have never even played a ps3.
we need a game that really fully unlocks the great idea of sixaxis
I think people have to get over the fact that microsoft sold more consoles because it cam out first, and other than that microsoft, or XBOX dont deserve some credit. I think people are forgetting the fact that sony in fact had many years head start, i mean they built their fan base when ps1 came out, and was purely shown during the ps2/ xbox era.
I think that xbox has sold more than the ps3 because it came out first, but i do believe they deserve a lot of credit considering they are competing with something which had a much earlier fan base, and the ps2 was so popular. my family has had like 8, 1 broke because the little kids got to it. other than that, just got them as they were cheap and very reliable and fun.
People have to see both sides.
contradiction much………………
@dingdong,
Hey, that’s my line! Are you having a little dig?
what I meant was after microsoft fixed my 360 I never got the RRoD agian, sorry typo.
Theres no difference. The only possible advantage xbox has is the online is slightly better, thats all. Any other features are cancelled out equally. e.g. Netflix-Awesome playback feature,
Party system-Free PSN. when you think about it, every feature is cancelled down!!!!! (I know i’m repeating myself)
Me personally love the ps3 but the facts r that it is personal choice for the 360 and the ps3. I do want to buy a 360 so i can hav thos extra exlusive games. The ps3 has got god of war 3 coming out soon and i was watching the trailer, and the graphics look way overdone to the point wen it doesnt even look like anything. I dont no much about the 360 but sony just realeses the new play tv which alows u to watch, record and pause tv and i love, plus it is highdefinition. As for the psn and trophies and friends and stuff i love it, me an my mates are always comparing trophies trying to get a higher level than the other, and inviting friends to games and joining urself to one of their games is amazing, it just one clicl and ur in their game. Lets be honest to pay to play onlinr is ridiculous and then to pay again to play on wifi is outrageous, but i did hear that psn might be going the same way. If u r looking for funess in a game then u shouldnt go for ps3 or 360 u hav to go for wii, lets all b honest playing wii sports is the funnest thing u could do on any console out there at the moment, and nintendo has the most experience with gaming. Wii beats both consoles in the funess part full stop. We all love playing games cause their fun and i think this whole idea of graphics and shit is getting in peoples head. Wat happened to tetris and space invaders low graphics and super enjoyable. Im going to stop now i think i made my point.
I don’t think Sony are going to charge to play online. They’ve already stated that they aren’t. It’s just going to be premium extras that are chargeable, things like cross game chat. Don’t know what else they’ll throw out there though.
@kaden
.i know it was your line but i wasnt aiming it at you. just was the perfect line and i just read the post before i posted mine lol.
I have to disagree, i have had the wii since its release and i honestly have almost no fun when playing wii sports. although graphics can be overrated, i just dont like the idea of mixing physical activity and playing video games, and im not fat, im pretty fit to be honest.
although people seem to think graphics makes a game best, ithink that for a great game, they just need to have a great storyline, gameplay, online play and then if you want kickass graphics, thats a bonus which makes it even better. not the other way round. some games can have awesome graphics and still not be the best.
Agreed. It takes a party with a deal of alcohol or getting elderly technophobes involved to make wii sports a fun(ny) experience. Though nothing beats the Nintendo 64 as a party machine as far as I’m concerned. Mario Party before it went crap, Mario Kart 64, Super Smash Bros… :D
Graphics are overrated much of the time but Wii Sports wasn’t exactly the best example to show it.
I have a Blu-Ray player, I got it for Xmas ’09. And this is why I have made the conclusion that I would much rather get an Xbox 360. Yeah, sure, the PS3 is all-in-one, but I’m not the guy who would fork out another $50 just to get a minor convenience. I also think that the Xbox controller is an excellent selling feature. It just slides into your hands, and the DualShock is too bulky and hard. I’m surprised Microsoft hasn’t exploited this yet.
The PSN is free, sure, but $50 a year is actually cheap for the amount of benefits that Xbox live offers. If I had a choice between all the Xbox models, hands-down I’d choose the Xbox Pro, because I couldn’t live with only 600 or so megs, and the Elite is just too expensive for just black paint. All my mates have PS3s, and I’d love to play with them, but I mean, COME ON. I don’t give a crap about my friends, I’m sure there are plenty other players out there that play the same games and whatever. Honestly, Xbox pwns.
yeah i was just thinking that. after thinking of the graphics thing i couldnt stop thinking about ZELDA, Ocarina Of Time. i mean that game is an example of a near perfect game, without the graphics. well, for its time they were good anyway, but that doesnt matter to me, that is just one example of a great game on the N64.
i never bought any ps system at all but my friends have had 1-3 and i played it with them alot always defending x-box from the frist xbox vs ps i always thought xbox ran smoother for my taste BUT 2 red eyes later im really ready to make a change after reading these commit i’d only be missing out on the blueray player (p3) which makes it a hard choice HELP im stuck WHICH ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats extremely immature. If you cant handle snipers in a WAR SIMULATION GAME then dont play. Play Need for speed or something. But sniping does take skill, and you can counter snipe.
It also depends on how the map/game is balanced out. In halo 3, there really is no problems with snipers.
LOL Tell that to my mate. Bastard is like the frickin’ Terminator in most maps with the sniper rifle. Seriously he spoiled all but Forge for me… :(
My other friend is a total bastard with the energy sword. Not fun at all.
Yeah. If you’re bitching about snipers then you need to wake up. It takes skill to snipe effectively and it is essential to gameplay. In Battlefield Bad Company 2 gravity takes in effect for sniping so you have to adjust for that and I can’t tell you how many times I have saved or helped destroy a objective by sniping the guys trying to disarm or arm it. We snipers are the guys/gals who watch your backs and make sure you don’t get killed by other snipers as well as providing vital support to your assaults. So if you’re all anti sniping then you need to open your damn eyes and realize that when we(snipers) do something right it seems like we didn’t do anything at all, but that’s only because you never found out what would happen if we weren’t there.
If your playing swords use the B button instead of the trigger when counter attacking. Your first lunge will block his sword if you trigger pull, but then quickly press B and you will hit faster.
Also yes some people are very good with snipers. But you can adjust the settings to have no snipers. Also I love it when im beasting with the Laser Spartan.
I’m curious if you guys are going to do an update on this article? Playstation3 vs. XBox 3 years later.
in my opinion i think that the 360 is a better choice if you like online play if you care about the graphics for movies then ps3 is the winner but you get more experience with 360
Snipers are easy to counter sometimes. Playing Socom: Confrontation, I have found that smoke works pretty well when you head into a Sniper Alley. Yet, not a lot of people use the smoke. The worst is grenade wars that start at the beginning of each round.
Camping can also be defeated, though I must admit it can be hard if not impossible sometimes.
I guess if you really dont like netflix and want a blue ray. But the graphical quality of games for both systems are pretty much the same. In some cases the ps3 is better and some the 360. But then again, pretty much on par.
i would have to heavily disagree.
SNIPERS in most games, are greedy people playing for themselves who dont help out the team and never know when to put the thing away. im not saying your like this, but in most games, snipers will stay back when you are battling the last person alive on the other team and the sniper keeps missing then you die and the bad guy engages with him with a shot gun and the sniper is zooming in when the othr guy is 2 feet away, as if the sniper wanted to zoom in on his organelles or something.
that was just a scenario which has happened many times, where depending on the game type a sniper can save you by putting it away and using their machine gun or something, or shotgun. and in games where snipers can revive you, or help you they just run away and leave you down, even when its clear to help you.
some snipers are pretty good, and can have many well timed headshots or something, but i think that half the kids who dont know how to use them shouldnt, or at least know when to put it away and help out their TEAM MATES.
i emphasize on the team thing as that is what the game is making you do, work as a team, not work for yourself. its just that people are to bad to use snipers in free for alls, so they are the ones relying on their team mates to keep the enemy busy while they attempt many times to shoot someone.
im not a COD fanboy, ( definitely not a fangirl) but i was using the sniper the other day and it kills the enemy in one shot ( or your team mate if you are playing hardcore ) and proves to be very efficient and helpful, even for in experienced players. im am very far from a COD fanboy, and i think that it is the easiest sniper i have ever used and i think that is pretty fun to use. my 11 year old brother can use it easliy, and i wouldnt exactly call him a pro.
but then again, most people who play COD seem to be 11 year olds who got the game from their mummy. but seriously, my favourite game is ………. (insert game name ) as the majority of the people who still play it are over 25 years old. i have a friend who is 47 and plays xbox live, and his wife is 57. i love playing Gears Of war ( that is the insert game) with him and other randoms as the maturity level is so much higher than COD. i think it is generally the older games which still have the older guys who love to reminisce with the good old days and play for fun. as opposed to a game when you have 12 year olds using words that i didnt know until i was in my senior years of school.
for those of you who actually read all of this………………………….well, sorry:)
“So if you’re all anti sniping then you need to open your damn eyes and realize that when we(snipers) do something right it seems like we didn’t do anything at all, but that’s only because you never found out what would happen if we weren’t there.”
we snipers – LOL
your not really snipers, it’s a lovely day outside, go frolic in the sun
well put sav0)))
Hi ppl,
I am a guy 4m India. I am just making a crucial decision of buying a gr8 gaming console for me. I am 17 yrs old, I am a soccer fanatic, Racing freak, GTA Killer maniac…. but not mistake for me a Halo-sorta guy. I already have PSP. now in this conjecture i need my friends(u guyz) to help me in this regard.. I can buy games onlyy one in three months until a year and after dat mayb one in a month or so….. So please give me the advise that would suffice my Gaming thirst…. (seriously, i don’t wannu have any fanboy-ish reply)
Thanx in advance
GTA IV is on both, 360 has Forza 3 and PS3 is getting the next Gran Tourismo so they’ll both cover you for racing games but if soccer is your thing, there’s a good chance you’ll want the PS3 just for how Fifa and the like control. I don’t really play those games all too often, but my mate’s a huge soccer fan and he won’t go anywhere near a 360 controller when it comes to sports games.
should i get Xbox on the strength of Halo,Halo 2 and 3 alone ? or is Killzone on PS3 the way to go ? what about modern warfare 2 ?
Modern Warfare 2 is on both, for the others you mentioned you’d have to choose whichever console. Might be a good idea to see if any friends have them so you can try before you buy (thankfully all those games are fairly popular so there’s a good chance if you know someone with a nextgen console they’ll have them).
If shooters are your thing though, you shouldn’t be too miffed either way as both seem to have a lot of good titles. As far as hardware being suitable for them goes, the 360 controller has more responsive triggers, but apart from that I can’t think of anything that would effect your gaming experience.
I find this article to be strongly on the x-box 360 side, on the graphics part he never considered that many of the game developers r too stupid to make the graphics properly, but when that day comes PS3 will blow the 360 away in graphics, The ps3 got the cell, and a reality synthesizer and if u add this to the ps3 graphics card, the ps3 graphics r better on paper and in reality. However i agree on the game part, at that time 360 had better games than the 360 but its changing a lot. And then its performance, the ps3 is way better than the 360 on paper and in reality, ther only problem is that ps3 is too smart for game developers, YOU CANT BLAME THIS ON THE PS3!!!!!!! If the game developers are too stupid to develop games for the ps3 why arent you attacking them and not ps3 ?
At least those ‘stupid’ developers know a little about what they’re talking about!
Seriously, your ‘graphics card’ would be the GPU aka the Reality Synthesizer. They’re one and the same.
Do a little research.
o thanks for clearing that up for me
ok your comment actually shows how stupid you are the reason why developers would rather develope for the 360 instead of the PS3 is because of better development tools NOT MORE ADVANCED HARDWARE!!! sony just sucks with software they are a hardware specific company where Microsoft is really good a software XBox 360 developers have access to Microsoft’s Visual Studio.Net and DirectX compared to the PS3′s buggy compiler/debugger and OpenGL in fact the reason why its called the XBox is to show the public its based off of DirectX technology. DirectX is in every way superiour to OpenGL because while OpenGL only does graphics DirectX has Direct3D for Graphics DirectSound for Music and Sound Effects/Voice Overs DirectInput for Keyboard and Mouse Input XInput for XBox 360 Controller Input and the new Cross Platform Audio Creation Tool(XACT) for 3D Sound if the PS3 is capable of producing better graphics than the XBox 360 and that is a big if then it doesn’t even matter because games that are cross platform usually look about the same because developers aren’t going to make the whole game twice you know why because it would take too long instead they are going to make it for the 360 and port it too the PS3 I think Playstation is a Linux based client not entirely sure while I know for a fact the XBox is a windows based client so the C++ Programming language is the C++ Programming language no matter what OS your using there probably will be a few minor code changes but not serious ones anyway long story short developers don’t want to remake the graphics for both consoles instead just re write the code a little bit probably the Game Engine Class to work for the PS3 instead of the 360
Actually Gil, both xbox consoles OS’ were built from scratch though utilize the Windows APIs. Older models of PS3 can have an alternative OS such as Linux installed, but I’ve seen no evidence anywhere that the actual PS3 OS is Linux based. A source would help your comment greatly if it’s not something commonly known.
sorry I guess I kinda used common sense to think Playstation was a Linux based client because of the Playstation 2 linux development kit so ya sorry
o and just so you know what I meant by based on that client was games are made using a a C++ compiler for that OS so I know for a fact that XBox 360 games are made using Visual C++ and DirectX. Visual C++ and DirectX only work on Windows
Actually Gil, Direct X is a series of APIs built for Microsoft platforms. It’s not just used for Windows even if it is generally associated with windows as if I recall correctly, both xbox consoles utilise it and have been stated to have their own OS not based on the Windows 2000 kernal which has been a common misconception.
http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2006/02/17/534421.aspx
so you guys don’t use OpenGL then or do you use it a little bit
Not sure I follow you?
If talking consoles I’d honestly have no idea as I haven’t exactly looked behind the pretty visuals of any console game, but if talking in general, yeah a few apps I like use Open GL. But then thanks to WINE I can play all my favourite Direct X requiring PC games under Linux and am aware there is also a Mac version. I would need either a windows machine or a virtual machine running Windows for some apps/games that don’t run well, but as most of my fave games are a bit older I generally don’t need to worry.
On consoles, so long as the games work well Im not too miffed about how it happens but there have been underperforming multiplatform games on both consoles so it really pays to own them both and do a little research before buying. ;)
so I guess I was a little mis informed earlier but o well thats ok
I found this article very interesting when trying to decide which console I liked better. I have had bother consoles, the later being PS3 and just got the Xbox360. I got the 360 because the blu-ray lens gave out on my PS3, the warranty being at its end a while ago and me not wanting to pay160 just to get it fixed I decided to try something different. I have my pros and cons with both systems, and I’m not partial to any one type of game on either system so it made it a little easy to compare. I want to start off with the online gaming on both. I like the Xbox360 better in this aspect because there is a lot less lagging and a lot more opportunities to play with friends. I was playing MWF on the ps3 and it wouldn’t go 10 minutes with a lag or completely shutting me out from the game. Whereas I havent experienced this with the 360..Hands down winner. Something I was sad about when switching from the ps3 to the 360 was the blu-ray, I like watching movies and I do a lot so losing the blu-ray player to a reg HD player was a little sad. Although the 360 doesnt have horrible video (where movies are concerned) by any means, Ill still take the Ps3 over the 360. And finally I would have to say that the in game graphics are way better on the 360. Playing RE5 on the ps3 and on the 360 showed a good difference on how the 360 is better.(in my eyes at least).
And I just have to say that I have been an Nintendo gamer all my life and I’m disappointed in the Wii, for old school Nintendo gamers it doesnt even come close to the games they have put out before the Wii ( All Zeldas, Super Mario World, MArio Kart and more). Although I might have to break my bias and get it because of the new Zelda game coming out this year..(Just though I would say that because someone brought up the wii)
Lol silver. See you know what you are talking about, Terje… obviously didnt.
If you want a a cheap blue ray player with games, then get Ps3. If you want good games…. get 360. I mean come one. I know cheap Blue-ray players are available. Besides, doesnt Netflix, which is avaliable on the xbox avaliable in 1080P?
Hello Carl Michael here from Australia i’m really not sure what to do here haha I have a HD LCD Tv and an xbox 360 the xbox ran great and was awesome for about 8 months then i had to get the lens reader repaired cos apparently it was hanging down and putting circular disk scratches on the games making them unreadable. It is now out of warranty and there is another problem it just wont read anything anymore i put in any dvd whether it has scratches or whether it doesn’t it might take up to 10 goes to get a movie or game to work. Oh and my cod modern warfare 2 game died due to that disk scratching a day after i bought it… FUCK I dont think microsoft with repair it now its out of warranty.
For that reason i was thinking of keeping the useless xbox for when i wanted to play halo 3, gears of war and so on and buy ps3 for everything else. Is this worth it in your view?
“If you want a a cheap blue ray player with games, then get Ps3. If you want good games…. get 360.”
now pardon me but that has to be one of the most biased, one dimensional,fanboy fuelled comment ever posted here…
Hey Carl,
It’s Michael here from Australia. I have a problem with my xbox 360 it is now out of warranty and it broke down once before when it was about 8 months old and i sent it away to microsoft to get the reading lens fixed i think because i was having problems with something hanging down and putting circular disk scratches on my games thus making them unreadable/unplayable. Since i had it back it was fine until now, suddenly it just about doesn’t read anything…. Dvds or games might take at least 10 or more times to get them started doesn’t matter if the disc is mint condition or scratched. I bought Cod modern warfare 2 and the disk was severly scratched the day after i bought it. Now i dont think xbox will repair my console as it is no longer under warranty FUCK!
For this reason i was considering either finding someone here who could repair the xbox or keep it for xbox only games and buy a playstation 3 for everything else what would you do?
Ideally I’d probably fix the 360 and buy a PS3 if I were you. Thankfully there are some people who can flash and install a replacement drive at a cheaper cost than replacing the xbox entirely, but the downside is no warranty when you’d get a three year warranty if you bought a replacement (a good solution there is to buy the entry level console sans hard drive for a couple hundred and just insert your previous 360′s hard drive). Everything slots in nicely, you have your saves and your content too if you do a gamer tag migration/import licenses.
If you’re getting one or the other I’d look to the games. A year ago I would have automatically suggested a 360 because of the games and online service, but the games seem to have equaled out more and PSN may be getting a premium online solution to rival XBLA soonish. Basically look for the exclusives, if they have about the same, then look to the other strengths of the consoles.
opps i didnt think the first comment worked looks like it did
@michael
this comment is not fanboy bias or watever, but generally ( 99.9% of the time) if your console, whether it be an xbox, ps2, ps3, xbox 360 starts scratching discs that bad after 8 months, it means something bashed the top of the xbox, above the disc drive. this happened with mine in a small amount when my cousin kicked a gym ball on the xbox. the game in there got scratched pretty bad and every game that came out of it since then was a little more scratched then usual. i also experienced this with a couple of ps2′s. the slim ps2′s disc drive has no real protection at all, and having little kids around banging them is annoying.
Too bad i couldnt hit my little cousin for it……………………….what are they good for??????
you know what would really help me out?
A website or article that lists pro’s and con’s in a clear statement next to each other so I can make a checklist of what i want.
Or better yet a website that does a “survey” of my likes and dislikes and scores each section to come up with a composite score that I can use which is based on my personal preferences.
I’m not smart enough to do it myself. Wish someone knew where to find a scoring system I could use in this instance.
Savo lets be honest. Ask people why they got a PS3 and generally they will say Blue-ray.
I have heard that PS3 graphics are better because of Blue-Ray… WTH?
Especially if you have the Xbox Elite you can display 1080p just like the PS3.
Graphics for both systems are generally the same.
But while you have to pay for online for Xbox… the online is better and doesn’t have lagging problems I have heard from many PS3 owners.
Michael. To avoid that scratched disc problem do not stand the xbox upright. That way it will not tip.
Hey matt yer i never had it upright always laying down in a cooled area the machine is pretty rooted going to have to find someone around my area who can repair it. I always was jealous of the fact that ps3 owners get online play for free.
@Mathew,
I don’t know who you’re asking. The PS3 is an awesome games machine. I hardly use it for Blu-Ray at all. Mine is used mainly for games & Play TV, the odd bit off web browsing if the missus is hogging facebook & twitter on the PC, & occaisonally Vidzone & the odd Blu-Ray.
Yeah, I agree with you on the graphics thing. Anyone who says the graphics are better because of Blu-Ray needs to re-think. It’s just storage, nothing more. I suppose in theory you could say that you could store larger textures, & uncompressed audio, but all you need on the 360 is more discs, & problem solved. Compression isn’t the anti-christ of good graphics & sound that some people make it out to be anyway.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that 1080i was the best that the 360 could natively display, but can upscale to 1080p. Not that it matters. The PS3 can natively display 1080p, but really, how many games are actually programmed in 1080. Most PS3 games are 720p, & state this on the back of the box. Most 360 games state 1080p on the box even if they’re less, as the 360 has an internal upscaling chip. Neither are natively 1080p for the most part, it’s just a different way of dealing with it.
I think it’s been stated enough in recent gaming media that the PS3 is showing better graphics than the 360 with recent exlusives like UC2, but the gap isn’t that big that anyone should be dissapointed with either console.
Haven’t experienced any lag on my PS3 when online, & that’s using the wireless. I think the main draw of the online on the 360 is the more community focused facilities, like cross game chat & better invite system. You do pay for it, but if you mainly play online, it’s probably worth it.
As for the scratching discs thing. If the system is supposed to be able to sit upright or flat, then it shouldn’t scratch discs either way. BBC Watchdog did a thing months ago with tests, & the ones they tested were flat & still drew compass lines on discs. Faulty is faulty, but these tend to be older units. I haven’t heard much 360 reliability bitching for newer units at all, so MS must have finally gotten something right.
I think with the 360, it’s that it can upscale any game to 1080p, though some games actually have it as their native resolution. There was a list of games for both consoles linked here a while back that showed the 360 currently had more than the PS3, though pretty much every game on both list was either simplistic, shit or both if I remember right. ;)
It seems neither console can run too smoothly at that kind of resolution if there’s a ton of cool effects going on.
Kaden. If Microsoft got something right there still wouldn’t be loads of xbox owners like me complaining about the piece of shit braking down. I’m only 17 so i’m not loaded with cash i shouldn’t have to keep buying new xbox consoles every year cos the hardware won’t last. I think the company rushed the 360 to get it out on the market as quick as possible to get an upperhand on the ps3 due to that they still haven’t fixed some of the 360′s problems. It really pisses me of to that microsoft would not give me a completely new xbox unit after i had sent to them and i also didn’t receive a longer warranty. The company is just greedy for money just like any other multi-national company.
If they didn’t replace your 360 as the warranty stated they should, I’d start asking for managers. If that doesn’t work, threaten legal action. If they offered a warranty and your failed unit falls under it, they’re obliged to replace it by law and most western countries have laws to protect the consumer accordingly.
i prefer the xbox, hands down even though the rrod is irritating, it only happens if i have too many usb’s plugged in, i left it on for 9 hrs and it didnt break, it happens so rarely. and also, it does have a better graphics card despite it being older than cod 2. it haz a xenon gpu a trust worthy card. it haz a better framerate which i love due to the fact that i love spamming fusion coils in halo 3 and looks forward to doing that in reach. Its my fav console
matthew, buying a PS3 solely for the blu-ray is like buying a snickers bar just to eat the peanuts, maybe it was the main selling point for the people you talk to but for me and millions like me it’s a gaming console with the added bonus of having the ability to play blu-ray, it’s a welcome addition, it’s a feature which may or may not have helped it’s sales, it’s another thing i don;t have to buy..(blu-ray player..) it’s great to have the option of blu-ray compatibility etc etc…..
when the PS2 was in full swing it served as both gaming mechanism and DVD player for me, this time it’s similar.
i’ve never really heard much of this better graphics through blu-ray argument and i think it’s a false statement, saying that – PS3 exclusives tend to have seriously good graphics, a lá killzone 2, uncharted, GOW 3, heavy rain…. games which are cross platform will generally have the same graphical content so i don;t pay much attention to them debates.
the lag on PSN is as false as the PS3 fanboys assertion that every 360 breaks, i experience very little, in fact i experience just as much on XBL especially when playing that broken pile of shite MW2.
i have nothing against the 360, true it has let me down recently but my old “fatboy” PS3 let me down once or twice too, my new slim PS3 just excels in every department and with PSN fast approaching parity with XBL it has become my preferred choice for gaming online.
anybody else here hopelessly addicted to MAG? it’s just keeps on giving and kudos to the developers for listening to complaints and rectifying whatever problems existed, things like rearranging maps to eradicate sniping into spawn areas, reducing the power in certain factions armaments which was a serious bone of contention for a while and removing the lag -pedal possibility cheating ballbags used to exploit….a DLC lineup for the next few months with new weapons and stuff, finally a game where your concerns and opinions are listened to and acted on…..are you listening infinity ward?…your pride and joy is broken :)
actually, blu-ray is the biggest seller for ps3. if ps3 didnt have blu-ray, you wouldnt hear half the rumours about how it makes the graphics better. I think it is mainly teenagers though, who justify their purchase of a ps3 because it has blu-ray. to them, my xbox 360 is inferior, and i am POOR for not buying a ps3, despite the fact i bought my xbox 360 almost 2 years before they bought a ps3 and i paid $200 more for my console then they did at the time they got their ps3. like i said, its mainly teenagers, and they dont know shit. not all of course, but a LOT.
I hate it when people brag that their product ( watever it may be) is better than another one because it is more expensive.
example. ( just made up)
I bought a 45inch LED tv for $5000 2 years ago, and at the same time their was a 55inch for $6500. a lot of people i knew bought the 55 inch LED recently, (which happens to be 2 years after i got my 45 inch) they paid $3500, andf my 45 inch tv is $2500 now. they are calling me poor and think my tv and i am inferior to them and their tv.
WTF??????????
why are people like that??
because they are the people with no clue about technology, like a 45 year old woman (most older women, like my mum who is like 50 something)
who justify their purchase because it costs more at the time. i really hate that shit. they think they are dedicated fans but get the console 10 years after it comes out? this isnt just for ps3 as i have clearly shown. i mean, look at their exclusives, it has shown to have beter graphics than any xbox game.
though, apart from the fact that uncharted 2 cannot run on an xbox ( due to disc limitation), i do believe it could support those graphics, hardware (internal)
wise.
@dingdong,
I disagree about blu-ray being the PS3′s selling point. I think the Playstation brand still has some sway for people considering buying a console, & it has produced 2 previous high quality consoles. It’s not as clear cut as it was when the PS1 & PS2 were out as the 360 is a very good alternative & has proven itself a good competitor.
I do agree about people harping on about things being more expensive being better. It doesn’t always work like that, especially as prices do tend to drop as tech gets older & more common.
As for your last point. I want Microsoft or one of it’s 1st party developers to prove it can match Uncharted 2, KZ2, or GoWIII. I wouldn’t have a problem with that, but considering one of the main plus points of the 360 is it’s ease of development. It’s also being out longer so surely they should be getting more out of it by now. I’m not disputing the fact that the 360 gpu is better, & I’m not talking about multiplatform games as they don’t get the most out of either console. I know it’s been said before, but the cell processor really does kick @rse if programmed for correctly. It’s not so much about the quality of picture, but more that the PS3 seems to be able to have more graphical touches & effects going on at once. At present I can’t decide if UC2 or GOWIII is the best looking (only got GOW yesterday). I’m erring towards UC2. The whole product is so polished I don’t think I’ve seen anything better.
Like I said, I’d love to see MS up the ante. It’ll push other MS & Sony 1st partys to push boundaries, & as much as graphics don’t make a game, they can make you really appreciate how awesome today’s consoles are.
There is something to be said about the advantage of the Xenos over the RSX. If you look at the games that are cross-plats you will see the edge is usually in framerate and nothing more. In some instances the RSX is pushing out higher textures ala Dragon Age. So what gives? Is the frame rate useful at 60 fps? According to multiple studies the average human visual perception will only allow us to see around 30 fps. Meaning anything beyond is not useful to the human eye and brain. So then why not cap the fps on the 360 and hammer on the visual qualities and see what you get. I am still waiting to see the first dev step up and punch one out on that Xenos. It makes no sense that they continue to push numbers instead of product “visual” quality. Until then, the limitations on the RSX are actually the cause for the better first party development on PS3.
As far as people buying PS3 for the Blu-ray, that was true in its first year. Since then the price of a stand-alone player is cheaper and more feasible. Anyone buying the PS3 as a Blu-ray player today have a few screws loose. It is not just a game console nor is the 360. The idea of the two companies was to draw in more gamers with the perks outside of games. I do not think it has had the type of effect they wanted but it had drawn some new gamers in. Mostly casual gamers whom rent more than they buy games. The good news is this will help both devs and the consoles be profitable. With the global economy falling to pieces at the release of these consoles we have seen them bloom rather slow for what they offer. If the economy was in a full boom we would have had much more to enjoy I believe. As far as getting more out of a console than another, the PS3 will have the edge as long as MS doesn’t have a Blu-ray option. Why? All the perks that makes the 360 experience good is nothing more than software. I said this before and I will say it again. Sony is making a pay service that should rival the Live experience. Sony owns a motion picture studio and that means some movies and television shows will be available for download much sooner than Netflix can offer. In the states they already offered huge libraries of Sony and WB movies and shows. Maybe not what you want to see all the time though.
As far as backwards compatibilities are concerned, I believe Sony is not going to support it until they finish off the warehouse stocks of PS2′s. Makes sense to make some money on them then turn around and start the emulate software for PS1 and PS2 on the PS3. I think this is why they chopped it out of the Slims. Anyway, if the console continues in the path it is, it will hold its appeal much longer than the 360. Hence the race by MS to put out a third console. Little be known by most is that Sony is also kicking it in gear on a 4th Playstation.
Happy Gaming!!!
I would agree, though Dragon Age is a terrible example. I bought a standard edition the other day so I could keep my PS3 collector’s edition factory sealed, popped it in and was plagued with bugs and massive drops in frame rate every so often. Oh and the Stone Prisoner DLC code hasn’t been working for a lot of people for some time, myself included and nothing seems to be getting done about it. I think I loved Bioware a lot more before they got eaten by EA…
As far as upping the graphics ante, I’m expecting it with games like Alan Wake which I hear is now a full exclusive as the PC version got canned. Not too sure on the accuracy but I read it in a gaming magazine so I’d hope they checked their facts… lol
I forgot to mention in the defense of Blu-ray. It is a hell of a lot harder to damage the disc. I have several movies and games and not one is scratched or marked. You can only find dust. Blow it off and play. That is a huge deal to me because I like to pick up the used movies and games. Lots of the stuff I like are not general favorites and it makes me happy to know that 99 out of 100 times I will get a brand new looking disc.
You want a solid game that will challenge PS3? Try upcoming Metro 2033 and Halo Reach.
@Mathew,
I’ve had a look at the available hi-def trailers for Metro 2033 & Halo Reach (which isn’t out for months yet), & I’m not that impressed with them graphically. Don’t get me wrong, neither of them look rubbish by a long shot, & Halo Reach multiplayer beta trailer I saw looks like it runs like silk on glass, which has got to be good for gameplay, but I don’t think either of them two have the same wow factor that KZ2, UC2, or GOWIII have (& also the trailers I’ve seen for The Last Guardian). Also Metro 2033 is a PC/360 title, which may not make a difference to everybody, it makes it a not available on PS3 multiplatform game in my eyes as I have a half decent gaming rig.
If there were 3 titles that I’m actually impressed, or expecting to be impressed with on the 360 it’s Mass Effect 2 (again, also on PC & I may get at some point) which looks pretty good, & the trailers for Alan Wake & Splinter Cell:Conviction look pretty sharp.
I also thought that some of the Forza 3 scenery looked amazing when it was released, but if the more recent GT5 trailers are anything to go by, the PS3 may have done it again graphically. Although, to be fair, I am talking about a game that’s being in development since what feels like the bronze age. I wait in aniticipation, but it’s not eager anymore.
Yes I agree Kaden101. Mass Effect is a great game from what I have heard and Conviction looks to be awesome.. But the reason I listed those games such at Halo Reach and Metro 2033 is because they are xbox exclusives. And the Title of this debate is PS3 vs. XBOX 360.
After a person looks at what they share in common, the deciding factor are the differences
Also we will just have to see what Reach and Metro will be like. You said you have a gaming rig I believe. And Metro will support direct x 11 which is what we have been waiting for. Direct x 10 was just a wash and not really an improvement over direct x 9.
As for Reach. Mulitplayer looked like an improvement. They are trying to have perks a la’ MW2. But what I really want is the Campaign.
btw for thoser whoi say its not exculsive because its on pc ur kind of wron it depends on how you look at it put it this way if mgs4 come out on pc (it wont but if it did) it would still be a ps3 exuclsive becuse its not out on any other console as we all know pc isnt a console u may look at it diffrently but thats who i see it if its not out on another console its still exculsive
@serpantine,
If it’s on a console & PC, & you have a PC capable of playing it, then it’s multiplatform. If you don’t have a gaming rig, then yes I agree it’s exclusive to that console. It’s down to your individual opinion, & the hardware you own (or not, as the case may be).
@ serpantine and kaden101. Well I was looking at it from the view that microsoft owns pc and xbox 360. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.
I have to say though, I have very nice gaming system, and I have been disappointing by PC exclusive games (microsoft exclusive games). I hate ports from consoles because they generally turn out to be crappy and don’t take advantage of that pc’s capabilities and are not tailored for a pc, just kinda shoved into production.
I want a solid PC game. I have high hopes for Metro 2033. It better not let me down.
MS does not own PC. Why do you think that. Most of the programmers in this world won’t even touch MS product. I know several and I am going to College in the field. The whole lot of us target a Linux based OS to do our work. Why? It is stable and allows for the operator to manage and manipulate the entire system to their will. MS is for those who lack knowledge of the operations behind the scenes “hence the buggy operation”. MS wants to own the market but they can’t develop a solid platform that is user friendly and secure. Funny thing is they are not user friendly or secure. I use Fedora 12, XP and Windows 7. Linux users tend to be hardcore tweekers and will tell you anything MS is just hyped up trash. Linux is free if you didn’t know. Open source is awsome and you will not find many viruses or bugs in the OS or the open source software.
Another thing to point out is that most internet servers, major business mainframes, and the government (NASA in the states) use Linux based systems. The scalability of Linux allows NASA to link 256 multicore machines to one I/O for a single task. That is not possible on a pc unless you cloud and then you have to work with bandwidth restrictions. NASA’s big machine can compute all the worlds financial transactions (stocks, purchases and the likes) for a day in less than 4 seconds. No MS setup can even think about doing that.
So how does MS own PC?
SO many people loved xp. A lot of people complained about vista, I will agree it was a little slow. But I never head serious problems with it. Also WIndows 7? That operating system is very stable.
The reason there is so many viruses for windows is because a lot of people use it. I mean if you were trying to exploit someone’s computer wouldnt you go after a OS a lot of people go after.
Yes I know about Linux. I considered putting it on my comp and dual booting but its too much of a hastle.
But I like gaming on pc which is superior to console grahpics.. So its a moot point for me.
actually there are probably more Windows developers than Linux ones
Actually… for someone “in the field” you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. The vast majority of programmers target the Windows enviroment. Why? It’s simple. Microsoft has the largest share of the market through its Windows operating systems. To go beyond that, Linux has very limited mainstream gaming support. As far as OS stability, BSD is the most stable OS out there, but it requires more leg work to run than just about any OS I’ve ever messed around with. Until the release of Windows 7, the most stable mainstream OS was Apple’s OSX (which was based off of BSD).. It may be a bitter pill to swallow, but currently the most stable mainstream OS is Windows 7. Will it remain so? Only time will tell. Like it or not, the .net family of programming languages assures that Microsoft will be a major player in the programming industry for years and years to come. As for viruses, Mathew has it, roughly 85-90% of the market runs Windows (this includes big buisnesses and government agencies), why would anyone waste their time writing a virus for any other OS?
As for mainframes and your NASA example? I’m about 99% sure that they are not running Linux, but that they are running a Unix based OS. The major difference here is that pesky graphical operating system. A system like you describe, 256 seperate systems running one task (really, the number of processors in each system doesn’t truely matter) is most likely accessed from another system on the network, and there’s a good possibility that that accessing system is running a Microsoft OS.
Remember, don’t be a fanboy. Every OS out there is out there for a reason. Microsoft and Apple (as well as a few Linux OS producers) are out there to make money. A company that stops providing a quality product stops making money. Learn about the different OSes, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and then choose the right one to fit the job you’re using it for. When you become a fanboy, you fail to recognize what makes other products great, and lose sight of your chosen product’s weak points.
Target it, not use it. Zindikar’s very correct when he suggests most geekier sorts prefer other OSes. Everything I’ve made has been more of a hobby thing so I won’t claim to have proper industry experience, but I do chat with a few programmers and most prefer a unix-like OS, often free like Linux or BSD.
Hell, when I went to the MS building in Sydney back in 2007 I believe (definetely 2006-2008) it was I noticed half of them were running Macs with a windows virtual machine. A good cheap laugh that was…
Oh and what OS do a lot of web servers run? Linux! :D
heyy guys, i’ve been looking forward to buy a console this summer in about two weeks from now. The thing is, i’m very confused as to what should I put my money in. I’m nowhere near rich enough to own both, and buying games for 2500, is no easy thing for me. So a mod would be welcome. Online play is not a deal for me at all. But I have absolutely no need for a bluray player since I have no bluray discs for that matter. I pretty much have all the movies in digital formats in my huge 1tb hdd. But I am seriosly interested in seeing those files from a Xbox or a playstation. There a difference of 3k in the price of xbox against ps3120. Will that be justifies if I buy a ps3.
I really want to know if it is possible to watch videos/movies directly from my Hdd if i connect it to the xbox or through the xbox hdd. Same for ps3.
Please help.
AbiOne,
I’m not sure on this, but I’ve never been able to get the Xbox360 to play files off an external hdd. I have been able to put .avi, .mp4, and .wmv files on a 2 or 16GB thumbdrive and connect that to the system and play them just fine. Also, since I upgraded to Windows 7 on my pc, I’ve been streaming videos to Windows Media Center on the Xbox. I’m still unable to stream .mkv files, though I’ve found a few possible solutions I’m looking at attempting.
I’m unfortunatly unable to answer in regards to the PS3.
The external hdd needs to be formatted in FAT32 for both consoles to recognize it, but irony is that windows won’t format a external driver over 32gb. But there is a programe called Fat32Formatter (google it) that will format large externa hhd and its free to download and use.
I’m a supporter of the whole console exclusives are still exclusives thing. Why? Well the experience of playing most games on PC is quite unlike playing on a console much of the time. I also tend to further split home consoles and portable consoles because even when they have the ‘same game’ it often plays quite differently due to the capabilities of the hardware and different input methods.
Silver u have no fuckin life , no offense but u have commented this thing a good 25-30 times. And thats kinda embarrasing wat girl wants a guy like that unless she dosdnt knoe
Probably upwards of 50 times actually, maybe upwards of 100.
My current girlfriend doesn’t seem to mind. Hell, I hear the majority of gamers are female these days (not the hardcore crowd, but in general) so a guy gamer should have no problem unless he’s a dyslexic no hoper kid. If you fit that image you’re more or less screwed but I guess y’all could go find soma dem retardeds girls now couldn’ yur?
I don’t go to school, I work one or two shifts most days, some of which are so uneventful my phone with net access is a godsend. The beauty of my lifestyle is that it isn’t uncommon for me to make up to a couple grand in a single week which funds a GREAT life. What’s your excuse?
@Zindikar. So The playstation line has been around a lot longer. But Xbox is doing so well.
No the PS name is not the point. Look at how well PS2 sells to this day. The XBOX is not even for sale anymore because people dumped out on them. MS completely cleared the notion of having them for sale while the 360 is out. Sony was selling PS2 and PS3 at the same time and with good numbers. The whole 360 outsales the PS3 bit is hardly true. It is a few million units ahead but the year headstart has to be accounted for. So why then would PS2 sell? Because it has a great library and was a reliable machine overall. MS has made it obvious they intend on cranking out modest quality platforms every 6-8 years with no intent on supporting them when the new ones come out. PS2 games are still being made. So that is why PS3 will be a better console in the long run. It plays on the same level of gaming and has the extras on top where your 360′s will be just a console to play the old games when they come out with a new one. People who are misers with their money are buying with the notion that the purchase will hold up for a long time. I know people still whipping out PS1′s and playing them. MS thought they would wipe Sony’s console market grasp off but I would venture that the margins will play a larger role after the next release of whether or not we see a 4th MS console. MS is a major software company trying the waters of gaming hardware. MS will bail on it if the profits are not there. They are selling alot sure but at what cost. They wouldn’t be screaming about attach rate if they were not in the dumps in the profit areas of their bookkeeping.
but if you think about it people don’t have use for an original XBox anymore because the XBox 360 is backwards compatible with most original XBox games while the PS3 is not backwords compatible with most PS2 games but the PS2 is backwards compatible with PS1 games so people who like Playstation have more of a use for the PS2 than people have for an original XBox who like XBox
Again, this is a reason to take the compatibility off the PS3 (original PS3 – first two years any way) were compatible with both 1 and 2. My PS3 is a MGS4 bundle one that plays every game I had for PS1 and 2 without a problem. If you see it from a business perspective, they had to remove the backwards to clear the warehouses of PS2. Later in its life I would guess the OS will be updated to allow software emulation of the PS1 and 2.
Another thing to note is that the 360 is only going back one generation and the PS3 is expected to go back 2. The differences in the PS consoles is significant whereas the XBOX and the 360 not so much as far as how they process the data to get it on your screen. That means the PS3 has to use more chips to emulate or more code to properly run the games.
see they pulled off backwards compatibility to make money off of old crap and
sqeeze as much money as they can out of an outdated system.
yeah thats true but Microsoft makes up for this with backwards compatibility the XBox 360 is backwards compatible but in order to play an old Playstation game on the PS3 you have to download it off of the Playstation Store
Not true. PSX games are playable on all PS3s, and some can also be bought from PSN. PS2 games can only be played on BC consoles and none are available on PSN.
@ Silver. Agreed. Check out my my comment before yours. I totally agree.
Microsoft is not trying the waters of gaming. What about gaming on pc? Its not like thats recent. Maybe in consoles its new.
Sony just chose to keep supporting the PS2 because it wanted to.
What about the gamecube? Thats not being supported with the wii being in production.
Microsoft is going to be pushing out better looking games, better gameplay, better software tech in games. Try playing GRAW on ps2 and xbox compared to the ps3 and xbox. Its horrible.
The advances in Tessellation, polygon count cant be done on the ps2 and xbox. Microsoft is thinking forward. Its time for the xbox to go. I mean look. If you have a nice big tv and stuff, would you want to play uncharted 2 on the ps2? Now. Because the game would not have all the features it has on the ps3.
Its like when we still have video cassette players. Its an old and fading technology. It does not need to be supported anymore. We need to move forward and technology needs to progress.
Microsoft is not trying the waters of gaming. What about gaming on pc? Its not like thats recent. Maybe in consoles its new.
Sony just chose to keep supporting the PS2 because it wanted to.
What about the gamecube? Thats not being supported with the wii being in production.
Microsoft is going to be pushing out better looking games, better gameplay, better software tech in games. Try playing GRAW on ps2 and xbox compared to the ps3 and xbox. Its horrible.
The advances in Tessellation, polygon count cant be done on the ps2 and xbox. Microsoft is thinking forward. Its time for the xbox to go. I mean look. If you have a nice big tv and stuff, would you want to play uncharted 2 on the ps2? NO. Because the game would not have all the features it has on the ps3.
Its like when we still have video cassette players. Its an old and fading technology. It does not need to be supported anymore. We need to move forward and technology needs to progress.
and i meant to put xbox 360 in place of just xbox in some places.
sorry about the double comment. didnt know it posted the 1st time.
Also people are holding onto their ps2′s because until recently the PS3 is so damned expensive. The 360 on the other hand was a lot cheaper.
I mean we are in a recession for crying out loud.
Why then would people bitch so much about backwards compatibility? Thats because the PS2 was a great gaming plat. Visuals are not the only thing going on in a game after all. MS doesn’t make hardly any games. They just made an OS and they had to support the demand for games. Thats like saying that Ford owns the road because they are on it. Look at it as a salesmen. If you are going to put a product to market, you would want the buyers to have the options they are looking for. So MS has to make DX and support the GPU makers software kits. DX cannot be used soley to make a game. They have to use some ones language (NVidia’s Cg for instance) to actually make the game. All DX does is offer services within the OS environment to accelerate specific functions. Most game companies still make the engines at home and of course they support DX to speed up the process. So if you think that makes you think MS owns gaming PC then you are being narrow. I could do the same in Linux and never touch MS code. Albeit it will take me some time to come up with the compilers and driver support : ). Gaming is not heavily supported on Linux as it is not what we want on our machines.
You say we need to move forward and then you say the PS3 is expensive. It offers technology over your 360 and yet it is only $100 more here in the states. Offers built in wifi and Blu-Ray and you will if they ever get a module for it have to pay a fortune on top of your system price to get it on the 360. The wireless module is a whole 100 by itself. I cannot stand it when people complain about the PS3 being more then they spend 200 getting their 360 to the same options. Wireless rechargeable controller and wireless internet connectivity. It is stupid to even suggest that the 360 is in anyway a more feasible option for that reason. Silver keeps bringing up wireless N modules for his 360. In 99 percent of the homes out there the wireless G bandwidth will exceed their download speed for as long as the PS3 and 360 are around. Also you don’t need to have more speed than the provider of your service is willing to upload. So why spend the extra on N. It makes sense in a situation where you have more than 5 or 6 devices using the same WAP (like in public places) to use N to accomodate the demand.
I bring it up because the PS3 doesn’t have it. :/
Personally I have wired connections for everything and most geeky types (including my fellow Linux geeks) would agree they’re the better choice if you want stability and faster speeds.
But if I did go wireless I’d want the choice to go with Wireless N. There are places with environmental factors that can negatively effect a wireless signal and wireless N has a stronger signal which can be handy for such places. If ever a new wireless technology comes into play, the 360 can just release a new dongle. The PS3 could too I suppose, but then you’re still forced to pay for the builtin Wifi G on top of any external peripheral you buy.
Oh and because the wireless G adaptors for 360 are older now it’s fairly cheap to grab one and a wireless battery for the controller these days anyway. I could easily do it for under $80AU. And it’s also cheaper to buy a 360 controller with a wireless battery than a PS3 controller…
The list of outstanding visuals for PS3 exclusives far outweighs what MS will get in the next year and all the while PS3 is still getting just as many if not more. Someone posted that Sony doesn’t have support for the devs and thats why MS is better. WTF? Are you on the same planet. Yes at launch the dev kits where awful. Now the tides have turned and the shoe is on the other foot. You cannot claim that MS has had one wow game. They sold some names and all I hear are mutters of disappointment about them. Halo with the expansion sold as a game. “It doesn’t look any better that the other one” They simply use the same engine so much because idiots keep praising it. Devs are holding the 360 down just as they did on cross-plats to the PS3. You cannot expect the hardware to fix it. God of War III is looking to be GoTY material as far as visuals. I know that some would say UC2 was better but UC2 is not up for nomination. Will the 360 have any games take on the Heavy Rains or God of Wars? Who knows for sure? Right now I do not see too many games on par with them. UC2 is still going to hold the crown IMO. The particle effects and object effects has yet to be paralleled. The fact that they maintain a solid framerate all the while shoving over 1 million polys to the GPU still astounds me. Not many PC games do that today. Sure there are some that do so don’t get all fired up. Texture levels for the game look beyond the amount of memory they had to play with. All the while no hard drive install.
I’m off to play Final Fantasy 13. Another spectacular achievement we can all take a ride in.
Just a personal preference, I would rather not use wireless, and instead use ethernet. But
“Gaming is not heavily supported on Linux as it is not what we want on our machines.”
Well Gaming is not heavily supported on Linux, and thats what we WANT on our machines.
I mean with xbox 360 you can put 200 down and play. But nonetheless:
It comes down to what kind of games do you like? The graphics for a racing game might be spectacular, but if you dont like those kinds of games, that would not matter would it? Same for fps. If you dont like 3rd person games, then it would not matter even if many people were raving about a particular game.
It comes down to do you want Blue Ray on your console? Do you want zune? Do you want your pc to play popular games? Do you want to set internet servers, major business mainframes? What kind of games Do you want?
IF I could have both consoles I would. Because both have games I am interested in.
Linux on the PC not the console.
i know
Blu ray is not a selling point but you always bring it up alongside wireless internet???
Come on, you cant deny it is a selling point, thats just ridiculous.
Also, people only say that a microsoft game isnt exclusive because they are jealous they dont have it. i.e. Ps3 owners. NOT ALL ps3 owners, but the ones who use that excuse are probably jealous.
Another thing, Zindikar, i think you go a bit overboard when microsoft is mentioned. you must detest all of their products and anything associated with them, even if it is good.
And also, every game that came out on the ps2 after the release of the ps3 was ABSOLUTLEY RUBBISH!!! that is to say the least. Sony should have quit while they wre ahead. Im happy microsoft didnt make anymore games for the xbox because then it would give it another thousand or more games that are absolutely rubbish. I dont care how much of a fanboy anyone is, but 99 per cent of the games released for the ps2 after the release of the ps3 were horrible. they were failed attempts to match nintendo wii’s games.
i.e. HOrsez, Catz etc.
Anyway, zindikar, HALO 3 ODST was mentioned prior to release that it was just an expansion, so it was obviously going to have little to no improvements. stop taking hard hits at games on the xbox when there are some games on the ps3 as well that could be critisied. i think that your last 10 or so posts have been completley ridiculous and one-sided due to some personal hatred for microsoft. you sound like a little kid.
Good day.
Very good point.
While he can seem a bit anti-MS, he usually does bring up solid points.
As a Linux preferrer myself, the only thing I usually use a virtual machine of Windows for is either gaming (mostly older games so it handles quite well) or apps I can’t get running with WINE and it also makes a good platform for web surfing, especially when I can just reset the virtual machine if I get any nasty malware.
Why is Linux so appealing? Well it’s reasonably easy to make it what you want it to be. If you want a non graphical interface that’ll run on just about everything and use minimal resources, Linux has you covered. If you want enough eye candy that’ll justify your non gaming high spec machine’s terribly high price, Linux has you covered. The fact that you can get applications covering most needs free from open source communities is also a good bonus.
The 360 has/had it’s problems, but so has every machine created by Sony. I look at my dead machines and most are Sony made, often earlier revisions. Microsoft and Sony should try and steal Nintendo’s quality control people… =D
Ditto on Nintendo. Problem is the Wii isn’t crunching enought data to get near as warm as the other two. I believe Sony has done much better on the PS3 than any of the other PS renditions. The system I have is played lots and is still quiet and I never have any trouble with it. The last few days its been averaging 13 hours of play. Spring break!!! The rest of these fella’s need to understand I do not just go by one page on the internet but many resources and I listen to many owners of both machines. I don’t just sit here and make this stuff up. And you bet Linux is the poop!
You guys keep talking like the PS3 games are not showing the truth that devs are lazy so you think that me saying there is yet to be a 360 game out to match the plethora of games is rubbish. You need to step back and read all these posts a little closer. Understand that I have said the 360 needs new engines for it. That is on the devs!!! So who are you to bash me when I am stating a fact.
The reason people think I am anti-MS is because they have no idea what they are talking about. They call it childish to want something you pay for to work. That is rubbish! Go and take a few courses in programming or networking and tell me what you hear from the pros. Same thing I am saying. Because MS is all about the dollars and they make no sense. Gobble up the garbage they give you because you have no idea that there is better to be had. It is called ignorance and that is what most people on this planet suffer from.
As far as the graphics, the difference between the 2 gpu’s is not in how pretty but how fast. The Xenos is just more efficient, not more capable of higher resolutions. There is a difference. When it comes down to it the real controlling factor as far as hardware is in the CPU. I believe the evidence is posted in several locations, I have linked some on this forum. Go and see what the cell excels at which the tri-config of the 360 just doesn’t have the guts for.
im in high school and most of my friends have xbox360 and they think that xbox is wayyyyyy better that ps3 well i think that ps3 is much better beceause i played the same game on both and the graphics the style and the colour of its own is better in ps3 but all of my mate say that xbox is better
i think that they say that xbox is better because they had never played on ps3 in their life
my bf came to mine for a bit after school and i turned my ps3 on when i loaded the ps34home-the world wide internet and with that avatar that u make your own she said
“wow i neve knew that ps3 was so cool i showed her the places and she said well i might have been a bit to harsh for ps3″but still i have some on my friends that say that ps3 is wayyyy better that xbox360 andi agree with them ………..
my own opinion PS3 IS WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BETTER THAN XBOX360…………………. :P :P :P :P :P :P
MS has long been making products just to have there name in the market. The Main focus now and for the enxt 20 years is software for your pc. They brought out the Zune, but it doesent even compete with Apple’s Ipod and never will, the same went in the console market. PS2 dominated 2nd gen console sales, XBOX came into the scene just to be a part of it. Then out came the 360 and WII, depending on your region the WII still to this day is winning 3rd gen console sales, but many believe 360 to have rushed into it, whoever is in the market first will pioneer it and overall have better sales, Microsoft knows this is most of there other ventures into diffrent markets failed. By releasing the 360 first it was always going to win in sales but look at everything they skipped, to have it equal with the
ps3 you need to buy multiple external devices such as wireless adapters, making it equally or more expensive then a Playsation3.
As far as Blu-Ray goes, it is not the focal selling point, its the Playstation name, ive had playsation since day 1 and i didnt want to change that, the blu-ray is just a nice extra which unfortunatley Xbox does not and never will have.
of course if thats my personal opinion , what is the main selling point of xbox? the game titles or the console tiself? personaly i believe it there game titles which they ahve because of MS ability to throw money around without that the xbox would be a flop imo.
re: zindikar
“Gobble up the garbage they give you because you have no idea that there is better to be had. It is called ignorance and that is what most people on this planet suffer from.”
i fully agree, MW2 is a glitch ridden, crap storyline, broken mess but it’s one of the best selling games of all time….., couple that with lazy devs who have yet to fix any of these glitches and if the recent stories are to be believed the DLC been released soon is just the original MW maps and are believed to be charging exuberant prices for it.
people bought into the hype, (me included) and began comparing new FPS’s to MW2, many times i have heard people pour scorn on MAG (my new sweetheart, just love it) by using the MW2 comparison tool, – nonsense, ….free DLC at the end of the month…. 2 patches so far to counter whatever glitches were noticed by players…..new maps and new weapons coming within 2 months…, this support is unrivalled in a so called inferior FPS.
it seems that MW2 was the entry point for a lot of people into online gaming so they base all else on it – ignorant of better things.
ps. if you think i’m just eulogising over MAG in my past few comments — true, it’s a gamers dream, i’ve never enjoyed online shooting so much since BF1942, the clan structure is second to none and have developers who listen to the gamers
Couldn’t agree more even if shooters aren’t my usual game.
Online I’ve seen a few naysayers, but offline I’d only had one mate complaining about the performance, though I couldn’t believe how poorly it was playing on his PS3, so I looked at his settings, noticed he had a NAT Type 3, fixed his setup so he got a Type 2 via a router and since then he too raves about it. All of us have rural Australian connections btw which is amazing as they tend to really make us suffer in most multiplayer shooters.
MW2′s multiplayer seems broken on any console setup I’ve tried it on. :/
the server structure is worthy of kudos.
i’ve only 3MB connection which as usual here rarely peaks above 2 and i have yet to suffer any lag even though i’m part of a clan mainly composed of americans,
choosing between a PS3 and an XBOX 360 is like choosing between two books from the harry potter franchise, in the end you are going to get both of them no matter what.
It’s always going to be so. Both are going to be fighting it out for the throne. But, guess what it’s all going to be better for us. Since, competition will give way to better quality games. Gone are the days when PS2 was the only wizard in town…more wand bearers have come.
With games like UC2 and GoW, ps3 has spelled the cruciatus on XBOX. Lets see how they recoil to this.
Not true. A lot of people will only have one because either they have not enough time to reason with owning 2 or they have limited inputs on the t.v. I know many who would say it makes no sense when the majority of games are going to be on both anyway. Just depends on your personal situation and lack of anything else to do as well.
thats actually a very good analogy
Its to bad about the zune. Microsoft messed up with the zune marketplace and it arrived too late into the scene when Apple was already hugely popular. The new Zune HD is excellent and some people like it better than the Itouch.
I personally like the Itouch. But I know microsoft can do so much better in a lot of areas.
People keep slamming on the Xbox 360 for it having the RROD. Seriously. That was a problem at launch. A lot of people had that problem. Many didnt. Some were able to fix it by unplugging it and plugging it back in, or just getting a fan for it.
But RROD isnt really an issue anymore. I have had my 360 elite on many hours a day everyday and I have not run into an issues.
True the RROD is not near the issue. I only mention it when explaining how MS operates. They rushed to beat Sony and that led to the list of problems they had to rectify. Now things are overall the same. Granted they both still have their problems but nothing too serious except for the strange disc issues the some 360 owners are talking about. I personally have not seen one do it but there are lots of complaints that makes me think a batch of the drives were out of spec.
Not to say Sony has not put out some ridiculous stuff. PS2 had a bad start and that should have served a lesson to all the console makers. It seems Sony learned and MS just skipped that part of the history. Now I think they may rethink things before putting the next console into production. We will soon see.
It doesnt matter that Sony learned from it. Yes Microsoft will be able to learn to some extent from the competitions mistakes, but Sony has been in the console game so much longer and has much more time to get things right. Microsoft is new to consoles with just the Xbox and Xbox 360, but it still is competing well against Sony.
I think that Microsoft can’t afford to fail on the next generation of its consoles since the expectations of consumers are becoming higher and higher.
That makes no sense. What are you saying? It is ok for MS to push failing equipment but not Sony? Get real man. They both need to do some QA before release to be sure that the final product produces results with limited failure. The fact that MS didn’t look at historical progress and see how not to fail shows they were over confident in the design and the owners of first gen consoles paid for it. Either yours failed or a little bug in your mind nagged that it might. My friends 360 made it to 3 days past warranty. He just bought an Arcade version and slapped the HDD on it.
Point being, you see automotive industries all the time taking the experiences of competitor companies and profiting from their mistakes and misses. Fuel injection was once a dangerous system due to over torquing a crank. The Buick division of GM found the problem being in timing and others followed suit. Now we all have EFI in all cars. So yes MS should have taken the experience of Sony seriously and looked for the weak points and tested them at levels beyond what a user should ever manage. I am certain that some would still fail as there are PS3′s that do. The newer 360′s do as well.
All I am saying is we consumers are not getting what we pay for in this and many other industries because for too long we have been a “Right Now” society. These companies now believe quick is better than quality and therefore forgo the onslaught of testing required to know if the product is stable.
In the begining RRoD was a problem for tha xbox owners with their money dying a cruel death… But later on, as of now it has become a problem for the PS3 owners, cause now it gives them one reason less to own a PS3 and this brings us to the conjecture,
PS3 guys, deal with it.
your comment is hard to decipher, are you saying that there is now a problem with the PS3?
I believe his comment is simply stating he thinks the 360 is better and RROD cannot be an excuse for everyone to not buy it. Maybe something on that line.
RROD is a stupid reason not to buy a xbox, there are plenty of more valid reasons not to buy one LOL
Well its been about a month and i thought i should update the list of good exclusives again, after all, its the differences that shape us or in this case, consoles.
PS3………………………………………………………………………360
Metal Gear Solid 4………………………………………………….Crackdown
Killzone 2……………………………………………………………….Halo 3
Uncharted 2…………………………………………………………..Gears of War 2
Infamous……………………………………………………………….Mass Effect PC
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction………….Forza Motorsport 2
MAG…………………………………………………………………….Mass Effect 2 PC
Resistance: Fall of Man…………………………………………..Fable 2
Uncharted 1………………………………………………………….Gears of War 1 PC
Motorstorm Pacific Rift……………………………………………Left 4 Dead PC
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue……………………………………….Forza Motorsport 3
LittleBigPlanet……………………………………………………….Left 4 Dead 2 PC
Demon’s Souls……………………………………………………….Dead Rising
Ratchet and Clank Future: Crack in Time……………………………….Halo Wars
God of War Collection……………………………………………Halo ODST
MLB 09 The Show…………………………………………………Metro 2033 PC
Resistance 2………………………………………………………………….
Heavy Rain…………………………………………………………………..
God of War 3…………………………………………………………………
Yakuza 3……………………………………………………………………….
TO BE RELEASED
Gran Turismo 5 (2010)…………………………………..………………Alan Wake (5-18-10)
The Last Guardian (2010)………………………………………………….Crackdown 2(7-6-10)
Final Fantasy 13 versus(TBA)……………………………………………Halo Reach(2010)
Mod Nation Racers(4-25-10)…………………………………………….…Fable 3 (10-31-10) Twisted Metal(TBA) ………………………………………..Splinter Cell: Conviction PC (4-13-10)
Socom 4(2010)……………………………………………………….
Well there is your somewhat updated list. Expect some great announcements at this years E3. While im here ill show you the list as it would look like if the 360 didnt have its pc counterparts. Believe it or not, people do actually have a pc that are capable of playing these games, i myself have one that can actually play them better than the 360.
PS3………………………………………………………………………360
Metal Gear Solid 4………………………………………………….Crackdown
Killzone 2……………………………………………………………….Halo 3
Uncharted 2…………………………………………………………..Gears of War 2
Infamous……………………………………………………………….Forza Motorsport 2
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction………….Fable 2
MAG…………………………………………………………………….Forza Motorsport 3
Resistance: Fall of Man…………………………………………..Dead Rising
Uncharted 1………………………………………………………….Halo Wars
Motorstorm Pacific Rift……………………………………………Halo ODST
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue……………………………………….
LittleBigPlanet……………………………………………………….
Demon’s Souls……………………………………………………….
Ratchet and Clank Future: Crack in Time……………………………….
God of War Collection……………………………………………
MLB 09 The Show…………………………………………………
Resistance 2………………………………………………………………….
Heavy Rain…………………………………………………………………..
God of War 3…………………………………………………………………
Yakuza 3……………………………………………………………………….
TO BE RELEASED
Gran Turismo 5 (2010)…………………………………..………………Alan Wake (5-18-10)
The Last Guardian (2010)………………………………………………….Crackdown 2(7-6-10)
Final Fantasy 13 versus(TBA)……………………………………………Halo Reach(2010)
Mod Nation Racers(4-25-10)…………………………………………….…Fable 3 (10-31-10) Twisted Metal(TBA) ………………………………………..
Socom 4(2010)……………………………………………………….
You list FAILS. Too many good games not mentioned on both consoles.
Maybe this list should be mentioned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_exclusive_to_a_seventh_generation_console
Thank you google and wikipedia contributors?
There are many games on that list on both consoles that are not even full games. GT5 Proluge was BS.
Xbox is good but Ps3 is better. Do anyone remembers xbox ring of death it magically pop up and once u get it off it come up 2 more times. The graphics suck unless u have a hd tv and the controller have a huge keyboard that can come out and a mic that has a cord and is low quality n i know about the cordless on but no one buys it. They wouldnt have even made a 360 if ps3 wasnt thinkin about their system. And 360 is a child system the avatars suck ass and their is no virtual world to hang or no life with playstation. Also when are they goin to make a xbox portable i mean seriously when. And the dude making the blogs arent even a game designer for the 2 systems like he stated. I search his name on everything even called microsoft and asked to speak to an agent.
1. RRoD doesn’t ‘come up three times’. It comes up once and remains that way. I’m assuming you’re talking out of your ass and misunderstood hearing or reading about how the RRoD is three lights red.
2. The graphics suck on both at standard def, but they’re still quite playable for most games.
3. Keyboard you can take out? Optional chat pad? You do realise there’s a similar accesory for PS3 right? And that you can use a proper USB plug n play keyboard on both consoles?
4. I would have agreed about xbox avatars, but then you had to bring up PSN home. A magical place where female avatars get surrounded by lobotomised sounding male avatars, where you can play minigames which suck compared to retail games and most games made after 1985. A magical place you can spend a couple of dollars on a virtual piece of clothing or close to $10 AU on a living space which might be smaller than a walk-in closet or worse on the eyes then PC games from a decade ago (red pirate ship ring a bell?)…
They should rename it ‘No Life with Playstation’. That said, my bastard of a mate showed it’s a great place for trolling. Four hours later and with numerous people reporting him he finally got bored and luckily the moderation is so crap he didn’t get me IP banned. ;)
5. Maybe never? Mighnt be the best move to make, even I can see that. The DS dominates the market and the iPhone stole the next biggest slice of the pie charts over the last year. The PSP is getting further and further behind, and as much as I love my PSP Go for it’s portability, Sony really did shoot itself in the leg releasing it, especially at a price few would want to spend.
6. Carl Nelson never claimed to be a ‘designer’. Where’d you pull that one from?
I hope you like my numbered point approach. I figure you can use it to reply to me more coherently and to the point than you might otherwise do. :)
If u would read all his blogs he has three ps3 vs x box
ps3 vs xbox 1 year later
and ps3 vs xbox 2 years later
n psp’s are old as hell
nobody pays for the clothes really
and ppl dont play the crappy games unless their new
and who wants to pay bill gates 40 billion dollar ass for live
and b4 statin facts that arent true ring of death does go away and n it can or cannot pop up more than 1 2 and 3 times
i hate ppl who get on n dont know nothin
wat do u even do for a livin
and dont lie i got connections ( airgo … Red robin ) lawyers and agents are the best n i only have a ps3 cause my son likes to play online so i play with him in my office on breaks
Yeah, I read all three articles, what’s your point?
Ok, so we’ve established the features of PSN Home were crap. Why is it better than MS’s avatars again?
Yes, the PSP has been around for a while. My point was merely that I doubt we’ll see a portable xbox any time soon because of how the portable market’s currently being dominated by Nintendo and Apple so fiercely right now.
Someone so stupid they don’t realise you can get LIVE gold for under $50 a year and even if you got the record for being the world’s oldest man you’d still only pay a small fraction of ’40 billion dollars’?
It comes once and you’re essentially screwed. You might be lucky to have your 360 go on with the green lights, but it’s the equivalent to having FFXIII’s Doom cast on your console when the console is party leader. (See what I did there?)
airgo? You don’t mean ‘ergo’, do you? I’m by no means a grammar Nazi, but I can’t understand half of what your typing because the formatting is that bad. Is English a second language for you? :/
The trouble with trying to intimidate someone like me with your ‘connections’ and the like is I’ve never backed down from someone talking complete shit and I have some ‘connections’ myself. I’m a contract security guard with an ACG class license (static/mobile guard, crowd control, finance loss prevention) who stands at 6’3″ (close to 2′ shoulder to shoulder) and weighs close to 120kg (that’s around 264 pounds according to a converter I found) and my ‘connections’ include a slew of other security guards, some of whom are bigger than me. What’re your lawyers gonna do, sue me for being awesome? And what are your agents gonna do? Book you to play lame music at some venue I’d be bouncing at? lol
i was just kidding yo. im a 14 yr old that wanted 2 see how serious ppl would get lol n ppl have no life haha yall commented this like 10 times. n i type like i text ps. i like both even n were did the other guy come from
Gives me something to do on those long at times boring nightshifts.
Nightshifts which make money, y’know, to fund having a life.
P.S. Typing like you text makes you look retarded.
True story.
@ Stefanps3
You did ther exact opposite of what silver advised. frankly, i think you dont know shit and that you should leave this to your son………………..if you really do have one.
BTW, i see that list you didnt mention all xbox games, such as Quake 4?? but then you didnt put every ps3 game on there either, but Quake 4 is a 1st person shooter.
Also, i dont think sony stopped the backwards compatibility to clear out their strock of ps2′s, it was interferring with the blu ray ( or so ive heard) to some extent. and Sony did it to make more money.
Microsoft isnt the only company to rip people off, its every companies goal, to earn a profit. and i know it wasnt to “clear” out stock as the ps2 slims now are different models from the original. i can hold my old ps2 slim in one hand and the new one in my other and notice several changes, such as the main power supply, there is no longer a brick. People are to caught up on microsoft ripping people off that they dont realise every company is doing it too.
So Sony and Microsoft have both had their moments, so has nintendo. remember the nintendo universal game link cable? they change it for every game boy ( well, from the old pockets and gameboy colour to the gba ones). also, i have ds’s, ds’i and dsi lites, they have all changed there power adapters(or rechargers?), which i think they could have easily kept them the same.
anyways……………….cant wait till Rage, Halo Reach ( for the campaign, i personally think halo online is overrated), Crackdown 2, Crysis 2 and hopefully some news on Doom 4 at Quakecon.
cya.
Now that is ridiculous! How would one ic interfere with the optical drive and not another more powerful one? It wouldn’t and it didn’t. You have never taken any kind of electrical training or you wouldn’t state this mis-information. Interference is something you would expect from strong magnetic fields when you are talking about a wired or in this case a pcb. In wireless you have many ways to get interference such as microwaves and the likes. No way that the PS2 or PS1 emulation interferes with a optical drive.
It makes sense that Sony stopped the backwards compatibility to sell PS2′s. How many people are going to buy them to play the old games if the new console doesn’t. I know several around here. I know for a fact no one would buy both if they are going to get it all on the PS3. You argument is completely untendered and you say what I say about MS is childish. Make some statements then back them. What I say about MS goes to the experiences of Billions of People on this planet. Don’t deny the Vista sandals, the ME’s, the RROD’s. They are all reality and you can find loads of sites that are for it. Anti-Sony sites are not near as plentiful. So I would suggest that you are the more biased as to not see the loads of people that have had a bad experience with MS over their experience with Sony.
Though I haven’t heard that PS2 emulation was removed due to any problem like that, haven’t previous consoles gotten worn out from using other disc formats? Some PS2s and DVD videos come to mind, though I think I heard that was faulty lasers. Didn’t get one, you had no problems.
You do realise you’re doing that anti-MS thing again, right? I mean fair enough bringing other gaming technology made by the companies into it, but you’re bringing in things like PC Operating Systems and the like. How many OSes HAVEN’T had their fair share of issues and what’s the likelihood other OSes issues would be just as rageworthy if they made up most of the market share?
As far as gaming goes, every console Sony has made before the PS3 has been less durable than it’s competitors and if the 360 hadn’t had as high a failure rate the trend may have continued. Even the PS3 has more units fail than most electronic devices should.
another anti ms post by zindikar. i never said that was true, and that rumour was going around, that they cancelled the ps2 backwards compatibility because of that. i just thought i’d put it up here to get other peoples opinions, not ram it down their throat like you do.
Also, i never said which company was worse out of microsoft and sony, i just stated they both do ” unethical things”, or at the least rip you off.
And billions of people?? there arent even 7 billion people on earth, or close to, so how could billions of people know what you are talking about? there are 1.5 billion people in china and india, which makes about 3 billion, not everyone in those countries has a microsoft product. and not to count elderly people and babies ( like you) and the people too young to own something. and i never denied anything like rrod. so you are making yourself seem like a little child once more.
want to accuse me of anything else?? maybe global warming or the fact that you feel insecure about yourself and cries about microsoft all day? go to bed already, that is unless your mum hasnt already tucked you in nice and tight.
You guys are the anti not me. You state all this bad on Sony but when someone brings up MS short-falls you are on the defense. Look at your posts. You put up false information and then said “I never said that it was true.” When the Nazi’s did it they called that propaganda. So why post it! Because you are anti-Sony. Secondly, last I checked the amount of MS product used on a global spectrum has reached well into the billions of users. That means that over 1 billion people. So I know that there are only roughly 7 billion people. That is why MS has been under scrutiny by the government of the US for the last decade or so. Get the facts make a post and back them. Do I need to reiterate that you make the posts with no validity and then persecute me for making statements backed by loads of sites.
Just do a Google on the two companies for lawsuits. There is a trend. Sony and MS both get sued for ridiculous things like all business. In the lists you will find more issues that have merit in your MS search. Granted the size of Sony is hard to compare to MS. MS is huge in their industry (and why the US govt. is regulating there practices of monopoly), but Sony is also big but not quite the monopoly, there are just too many home electronics companies of comparable size. That very well may be why the two act so different in the business they are in.
And if you continue to post name-calling then that makes you the “child”. So I ram truth because so many like yourself seem to not have eyes. Talk is cheap bring you tail over to the states and talk like that to my face!
http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm
Besides RRoD and those faulty drives which are past issues and Windows being bwwwaaaaaaad (despite how it’s not installed on xbox consoles), what are those shortfalls exactly?
I can’t vouch for the others here, but I personally own both consoles and they both have different things I like or dislike about them. It just really bugs me on some level to see someone going all out against a console, especially if they’ve never owned one. What’s the disadvantages of having both? Neither are all that expensive right now if you shop around and when you own both you get all of the exclusives and can play multiplats on whichever they work better on. WIN! =D
Looked at your link and it seems to be about PCs once again. Zindikar, as wise words go, I AM DISAPOINT. If you’re desperate for a ‘confrontation’, I can pretty much always be found in the Illawarra region of NSW Australia. I’d love to visit you in the US but plane ticket prices are a bitch and I work 5-7 days a week, so if you’re ever down here we can talk loudly, punch on, play some playstation, get totally pissed off our brains at some pub or whatever else you might have in mind. If I ever do go to the US though, I’ll post a temp email address here and I’m sure we could work something out. :)
dude the reason why people are calling you Anti-Microsoft is because you sound Anti Microsoft you can’t say stuff like Microsoft rips everybody off and Linux is better than Windows but then call people stupid when they say your Anti Microsoft
dont diss the ps3 or state any facts about it or stefenps3; AKA internet warrior, will get his connections ( lawyers) to sue you??? get real, and grow up. your son is probably more literate and mature than you.
im not saying its a bad thing they were trying to make money off an outdated system, because they definately were, but every company would if they had the chance, as they want to make maximum profits. i dont know what the reason was for microsoft to pull the plug on the original xbox, but im glad they did, or else it would have another couple thousand useless titles like the ps2 got from 2006 onwards.
The difference from MS and Sony on the console issue was not the games. Sony may have made some the the last few years of games but not all. So bitch at the devs for poor games on the PS2. Then to bring back to point on the backwards compatibilities, why does it not make sense to sell your product to not keep from making losses on them? What Sony did was a logical business decision. What MS did to rush a console out was not a logical business decision it was rash. So the two did profit from the conditions, that doesn’t mean they are scoundrels. If the idea of a PS2 console being sold is bad due to horrible games then why would so many cry over the loss of PS3 compatibility with them? Oh, its that f***ing huge library that most of them already own.
Microsoft just did what Sony did last generation. And if you look at how that worked I’d say rushing a console out to beat the competition by as much as possible Is a VERY logical decision. Yes it led to one of the biggest fuckups of all time, but it made MS a lot of money, established a good sized userbase and attracted many developers who may have stuck with Sony seeing just how much ass it kicked last time around.
The consumer who bought an earlier model of 360 got well and truly screwed but even with lawsuits MS has still likely come out more ahead than it would have if it hadn’t rushed the 360 out.
@Zindikar. We are just saying stuff about the Playstations. Your saying things about Microsoft as a whole. You just hate the company and anything it produces.
I’d just like to say that over the years I have owned most consoles that are worth having, but none and I REPEAT none haves pissed me off more than the xbox 360 RROD. The reason for this is although the original ps1 and ps2 models used to fail, they would usually give you warnings like general disc reading problems. I remember having to stand my original ps1 on its side to get it to read discs and my original ps2 stopped reading certain discs but this was after they had some good usage, but along came the xbox 360 RROD where the console would just stop working instantly at any time in its life with no warning and all it would be good for is relieving stress by throwing it out off the window. I used to love the xbox 360 but after experiencing this twice I realy hate microsoft for that. But truth is if you want all the best games you have to get both consoles even if one is made by microsoft who I have no love for, after giving me the worst experience ever on a console. I know newer xbox 360 models are meant to be more reliable but my confidence in microsoft as a company is well and truly broken. So for me the ps3 is where I do most of my gaming and microsofts hate is well earned.
@ Zindikar.
you said BILLIONS. yes, that does mean more than a billion, but it means at least 2 billion doesnt it?? thus you added the plural? and childish as i may seem, i never challenged someone to a fight over the net. you are ‘Conan The Internet Barbarian’ now.
i never seemed anti sony at all i think, and i never blamed the lack of good games on the ps2 since 2006 on sony, just that maybe they should have quit while they were ahead.
and i never justified microsfts screw ups (rrod and the libray of other things) by wieghing them up on sony’s.
I was the one myself who said that was their goal, thus making the “business decision” logical. that is why im never suprised i get ripped off, that’s just how the world works.
but then if i was the owner ( or CEO) of sony, id want to continue the ps2 ( like they did) to earn maximum profit. its just a shame that 99% of them were rubbish.
and why is it the person who always challenges someone to a fight over the internet, as lame as it is, always expects the challenged to waste their time flying over the other side of the world.
you could be nice about it and pay for their ticket or at least go over to them. geez, your mean. hahahah
ok what makes the console better is what your gonna use it for. For movies buy a PS3, for gaming buy an XBox 360 and for masturbation buy a Nintendo WII lol
@Gilbert
you’re wrong. the wii cant even do that eother lol. hahahaha
yeah don’t take offense I was joking lol
i actually want to buy a ps2, they are dirt cheap and have a TON (not literally) of quality games i would enjoy and the games are cheap too. graphics arent everything and the ps2 and somehow the wii also prove it. the quality of those ps2 games is still top notch in my opinion. i was young then when i had a ps2 and didnt have many games but now i really want to spend 300 and with that ill probobly get 15 games.i had one but broke since i bought it refurbished but yeah. my point being the ps2 still sells because it just pwns all in my opinion.
@ ThePinkPirate: If you’re just doing nothing but sniping in Bad Company 2 I wouldn’t want you in the squad. You’re RECON, not just a sniper :)
Sega Dreamcast is still the best.
Well, when those motion controllers come out for the ps3 this fall we’ll see who’s the best. Ps3 is about to set the standard of for future gaming consoles. 1080 fighting games with motion controllers(like wii system). Xbox360 doesn’t have anything on that. Then you’ll be able to compete against people online.
1080 fighting games like those already out on PSN *AND* XBL?
And the Wii certainly can’t do 1080 regardless of the game. There are external upscalers you can buy but games still don’t look all that HD when using them.
I actually hope Sony and MS’ new little toys don’t get adopted for fighting games as they really do need a gamepad/arcade stick to play properly.
If this shit turns the majority of newer console games into casual games I might just go back to PC gaming. Less conveniant, but at least I don’t have to worry about crap like this ruining the game selection. Don’t know what I’m saying? Look at a shelf of Wii games in a store and look at how many games are available versus how many are actually any good.
Lets see how Project Natal turns out.
I dread release day…. :(
Awesome article, I too prefer playing on the PS3, because it is the most affordable option on Brazil, since 50 bucks on the US to play on Xbox Live would be 150 bucks in brazillian currency.
Dud yall have no life i lied about everything just comes to show. I mean seriois some ppl done commened like 5-10 time (no life)…airgo silver but add my ps3 yaboyjr95 we can mw2 or shit idk. N im actually 16 for the dumbasses who thought i had a real son and worked for red robin ceo,
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So you lied about who you were and think others have no life? Sounds a lot like you have no life kiddo. Probably won’t be able to afford a decent life in the future neither as basic spelling and grammar are now required even in some of the less skilled careers out there.
I’d add you but I prefer to play better games with people who don’t seem to be dyslexic bullshit artist kids. You’re living proof PSN gets them just as XBL does, congratulations.
masterful reply sir :)
Win.
I’m not a programmer or anything, but the ps3′s uncharted 2 impressed me far more than any other 360 game with its graphics in terms of being photo-realistic. HOWEVER. I think the 360 games are far superior. Yes ps3 has some great titles, but 360 still has A LOT more.
AND: Photo-realistic graphics do not make the game by ANY means. I remember playing Bioshock and just dropping my mouth at the atmosphere and the world that they created. Not because of the realistic graphics, but because the aesthetic design and art form was superior to a lot of games (Team Fortress 2 is amazing as well). Sure you can have deep textures, intensely processed physics engines, but when push comes to shove, graphics can not carry a game on their own. (Same with movies….Avatar was stunning yeah, but come on, was it actually a good movie?)
Both consoles have NO effect on a designers imagination for artistic ideas. They also have EQUAL effect on their ability to transfer ideas to screen.
Avatar IS pocahontas, its true. read the story
I thought it was Fern Gully. :/
yeah it was fern gully
i agree thanks
actually Blackjello um pretty much all XBox 360′s come with a wireless controller now in fact I don’t even think you can get a wired XBox 360 controller you would have to buy it used and the only two things a PS3 can really do that a 360 can’t do is play Blue-Ray and browse the web well Blue-Ray I don’t really care about and I can browse the web on my PC as for your Killzone from what I hear Killzone on the PS2 sucked thats just what I hear and Halo 3 ODST outsold Killzone 2 within the first 24 hours of its release
westlife outsold the beatles, does that make westlife better than the beatles?.
sales mean nothing and it’s high time the xbox fraternity accepted that fact and stop using it
“from what you hear”, is not a valid foundation for criticism, it is a childish base for your fanboyism.
you say you don’t care about blu-ray? – big deal, the PS3 happens to have one, the 360 does’nt…., i don’t care about paying £50 quid every year for online gaming, the 360 you have to, PS3 – nothing.
your attempts at debate are churlish and baseless.
‘from what I hear’ could also indicate he’s heard several people with that opinion. Bear in mind he was talking Killzone on PS2 (the original) and there were many people who believed it either sucked or was mediocre.
He mentioned ODST outsold Killzone 2 within 24 hours of release, that was on several sites with gaming news back around when it was released and is likely factual (I’m not saying ODST is better then Killzone 2 here btw, just that his fact checks out).
And 50 quid for a year of XBL? Damn dude, I feel bad paying more than $50AU which is worth like half that. It really pays to shop around for XBL cards…
Blu-ray was his personal opinion, some value it, some don’t, just as some MS folks value the 360′s ability to utilise Wireless N and some don’t. Blu-ray is growing on me as far as my slim (quite portable) goes, but if I don’t mind just using the one room I still prefer a dedicated system.
the original killzone was flawed, i will admit that and have no problem accepting any flaws in any game on any platform, but this tired old argument of sales figures is a non starter when discussing games, personally i found HALO ODST bland and lacking, in fact i found the whole HALO series uninspired but i too rushed out to buy ODST on release day as did many more but the general consensus was that it was a mediocre game and was basically DLC wrapped up in new title clothes.
killzone 2 may have been slow to rise up the charts but it’s vastly superior.
i never throw in the “blu-ray compatibility” rhetoric in any of these debates as it was not a selling point for me, the only ones who mention blu-ray is the 360 chaps who then add “meh, i can buy a blu-ray player for £100″, buy one then, the PS3 just happens to have one which is convenient.
the same can be directed against the wireless option, 360 chaps say, “the 360 is wireless too when you buy an adaptor, anyway, wired is better”, again invalid posturing.
and MAG alone has demonstrated that paying for a supposed superior on-line experience via XBL is a myth.
£50 for XBL – that was the price i paid 8 month ago, maybe it has decreased, i don’t know and i don’t care as my subscription will not be renewed unless xbox get their own dedicated online game capable of having 256 players messing around in tanks without any slowdown.
see – another thing the PS3 can do that the 360 can’t…………..LOL
Well I was mostly looking at your last comment towards Gilbert. He used numbers rather than personal opinion and you replied with ‘your attempts at debate are churlish and baseless’. While he has been incorrect on some points previously (as I pointed out myself), it appears he’s doing his research now. He was correct on all points that are objective rather than subjective.
And a wired connection IS better than a wireless one. Well from a technical standpoint anyways, I can understand how some people dislike having cables snaking around the place…
But my point above was that some care about Wireless N and some don’t. Wireless N being something 360 owners can utilise that PS3 owners can’t, just as PS3 users can watch blu-rays on their console and 360 users can’t.
No, 50 quid is likely the official price, it’s roughly $100AU which is the AU price. THe thing is though, is you can often buy subscriptions for half the price online. If you’re paying full price you’re not doing enough research.
And as much as I do love MAG and think the online is great, it’s one title and certainly not the best game at that even if it is quite good (subjective I know, but do you see it as one of the best games made?). I do not know how things are working behind the scenes in MAG but it’s the only PS3 game I can get running that smoothly online (well apart from LittleBigPlanet most of the time). :/
well, sometimes there is no such thing as a better game when comparing 2. i prefer halo 3 ODST than killzone 2, and honestly, it was one of my favourite games. i also thought that the darkness was underrated, but some people like different things. my brother for example, liked that ‘ average ‘ game Killzone ( 1 ) enough to make him buy a ps3. there are many games considered mediocore and are considered to be peoples favourites. not because they dont know what a good game is, because if everyone liked the same thing we;d be robots.
and yeah, i got my xbox live for $50 ( AU ) and i bought one for my brother for like $45 ( AU ) on ebay. so it is relatively cheap if you look around. im oozing off for a while watching my little brother play pokemon heart gold, while im playing pokemon crystal, the good old one.
I like a gaming system with high quality an high graphics so my choice is the ps3 i mean it do has it pros an cons but in the end the ps3 win
Get a PC. Get a real gaming rig. You will quickly forget all about the ps3 and xbox360… I promise!
Oh and another thing, the countless scores of pc exclusive titles are infinitely superior to any exclusive you will find on a console. And if you want retro gaming you can play them from every console that’s ever been made.
PC doesnt count as a console ( because it is unfair to compare to a ‘ console’ console).
but yeah, PC has always had the best of everything, except there are some games that are exclusive to consoles that i wouldnt miss. It took xbox to bring out Forza in 2005 ( or was it before that ) for the first racing game using decent physics. ie, the cars could get smashed up, unlike bumper cars.
Though nintendo have failed me and millions of older fans, i think if they utilise the use of triggers on a controller, at least if they offer it as an option for their next console, we could be seeing a ground breaking FPS, Known only as METROID. oh yeah, thats what im talking about, baby.
i originally was a PC gamer and it took me a while to get adjusted to the gamepad when i jumped ship to consoles especially on FPS’s.
the original COD series was PC exclusive and i remember my smugness as i explained to my console mates the effects and playability of COD. them times medal of honor was the main, refreshing new shooter on consoles but basically it was 1 man army stuff, COD had you in a squad where you actually felt something for the various bots who fought alongside you which made the game far more interesting.
i jumped to console gaming when i decided that regular updating and maintenance of my system was getting rather expensive, it came to a head when i bought crysis and had to dumb the whole lot down in order to play, at least in a console you can be guaranteed your chosen game will work instead of checking the back of the box, also you cannot trade PC games after you have finished with them, something to do with the EULA i think…?
i still play occasionally on the PC, i bought “red orchestra – ostfront 41 – 45″ recently for £2, it’s hardly groundbreaking stuff but a very enjoyable on-line WW2 FPS in it’s own right
i cant wait till consoles get a taste of Crysis 2. It is going to blow games out of the water.
yes, this includes killzone 2 and uncharted 2. the thing i dont like about killzone 2, gears of war, resistance and the old king of console graphics Doom 3 is the lack of detail.
in all of these games, they covered up crappy detail with shades and shadow effects. and they think the common gamer cant notice? Crysis 2 is going to be amazing simply because they dont have to hide their poor detail, they can add awesome physics, and nice lighting which isnt covered in dark blotches.
i dont want to sound like a fanboy, but i am really just looking forward to a game that can give me what i want. i have played the games i mentioned for countless hours and that is the major letdown in all of them, even the mythical killzone 2.
i also dont intend to compare killzone 2 with crysis 2 directly, but killzone 2 is the most talked about graphical beast on a console. and i mean its not like killzone 2 wasnt compared to an older game, Crysis ( 1 ). even though Crysis is still the best graphics game with the right specs.
i am just sick of PC and want a great game to come to consoles.
cya
ok so yes im a xbl person i love the system and its the only one for me but my friends have ps3 and i gotta admit they are a good system to have for everything except accual gaming they have all the parts in them to be great movie players and the feature to browser the inter is cool but nothing in the ps3 would make me wanna jump up and go spend the 350-400$ to by the system
“i gotta admit they are a good system to have for everything except accual gaming ”
wut?
Yep, wut? was one of my first thoughts as well. Actually it wasn’t that polite, but wut? will do the job nicely.
@LADY GAG-GAG
Really? Your resorting to false racial-stereotypes? Really??
Are you that much of a white mid-west redneck backwater inbred uneducated technologically challenged backward-thinking hick that lives a rundown trailer park ghetto with his mom, dad, aunt (aka: your sister) and in-the-closet boyfriend (aka: pet pig named spot)?
Really???
There is no need for those types of comments here, regardless of your thoughts towards another person postings.
hahahah technologically challenged? where does that fit in? i think u have a small johnny and lick dick. hahahahaha.
by the way, you didn’t have to tell me your life story in that last post. hahahahaha. im off my tits right now in laughter. so what was your pet pigs’ name again?
go play your wii with your mom and her girlfriend while you stare at their wrinkly and saggy tits cause you can’t get a girlfriend. woohoooo…………………………………………………………Pwn3d
@LADY GAG-GAG
Friend, the fact that you used “Pwn3d”, implies alot about you. and the fact that you obviously have no clue says alot too.
You’re not worth my time.
…I’ve fragged plenty of bitches in mmmyyyyy time.
SSSNNNAAAKKKEEE!
Thanks – good work
Nicely laid article Mr.Nelson. I think 2010 calls for a PS3 vs X360 – 3 years later. I know I’d love to see an updated article.
Any chance of another article like this, another ‘one year on’ article? It seems that PS3 and its games have come a long way.
no argument ps3 is more than a gaming system its a reality system, its apart of you. Sure 360 has a slight edge on graphic i cant really tell and they have more games alot of them pointless and stupid but what if you get tired of playing games and theres nothing on tv and you dont have a labtop to look on google or craigslist lol and my brother loves to come over and watch episodes of naruto shippuden on mi ps3 when hes on the internet browser the ps3 has and the great thing about that he gets to watch it on mi 60inch tv wooooow instead of using a labtop can xbox360 do that especially free bah hahaahaha
Streaming video?
Yeah, the 360 has been able to do that for ages now either as a media extender or through netflix. :/
Streaming video on a 60″ TV would look balls though, why not invest in DVD/Blu rays of the show instead if you have enough money to buy a 60″ TV? Just sayin’.
i have owned both of the consoles and i love both. as a halo fanboy i was sad to let my xbox go, but i replaced it with a ps3 to try it out. i havent really noticed a difference in graphics, but as someone said earlier mag runs so smoothly and with 256 players it is unreal. i remember lagging something fierce when playing 4 v 4 halo matches.
i really like the compatibility of the hardware the ps3 has. i charged my controller with my laptop because it was closer to me than the ps3 was. i dont know if thats possible on the 360 or not, i never tried. also i can connect an external hardrive to my ps3 and play music and movies from there.
one big thing for me is that the cables for the ps3 are generic cables that can be purchased for a decent price anywhere, while the xbox’s cables are all exclusive and expensive.
i had my 360 since release and it rrod’d on me tiwce, and the second time m$ sent me a different system. one of my friends has seriously gone through five and another friend is on his fourth. its ridiculous that these systems were released with an imminent fatal error that can be so easily fixed by opening the case and replacing a something with a piece of eraser. (dont ask me why or how i just know a guy)
but when it comes down to it Nelson is right in that its all up to you which one you have been persuaded into believing is the superior one. they are both amazing feats of technology and hopefully things will continue to improve for both systems.
Yeah, I’m not only recharging my 360 controllersvia my laptop right now, I use them as my PC controllers as I’m yet to find another as responsive. Compatibility-wise I like that you can use most USB controllers on the PS3 (my 360 controllers don’t work though :( ), but they can be useless for games requiring motion control.
thats cool, good to know.
like i said 360 is a gaming system and ps3 is a entertainment system yeah it cost more then a 360 but its worth it. i understand everybody has there own opinions and thats why in a way its good for both systems to make its improvements and also good for the gamers but i think ill buy a wii over a 360 if i want to just play games lol
Fantastic review. Making a choice beween the two consoles can be daunting if your easily lead by Fanboys and marketing so it’s great to come across an impartial review for a change. Personally, I went for the 360. Yes, it’s noisey, it has reliability issues (RROD) and you have buy extra kit so it can compete with the PS3 (out of the box). But right now, from a purley gaming aspect, the 360 just edges it. It just has a just that couple of extra ‘Exculsives’ that I couldn’t do without. I’m not a fan of the idea of ‘Exculsives’ because, unless you can afford to have both consoles, it means you miss out on some cracking titles. Graphically, the PS3 will win out, but only against the 360. Knowing Microsofts, the 360 probably only has a couple of years left on it’s cycle. By the time developers start to use the PS3 to it’s full potential, Microsoft will probably have released a new console that will at least match what the PS3 can do.
When is the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 3 years later article?
as asked above some people said wut to my prevous post when i said the ps3 is good for everything but accual gaming by that i mean its good to have unless u want to play accual games because stated above in the articals it says the xbox360 has a lower graphics card but runs faster which makes it a better system for gaming beause there arnt any blocks like on the ps3 and both systems run movies but the ps3 is a better movie player then accual gaming system so i say the xbox360 is better for accual gaming and u know what its just my opinyon so if u think im wrong its ur chice but im just putting my opiyon out i am planing on getting a ps3 for browsing the internet and watching movies but i dout i will do any accual gaming on the system who know mayby a game will come out exclusivly for the ps3 that i will enjoy annd get but as of now i probly wont do any gaming on the thing
wut?
Xbox has a better GPU, PS3 the better processor.
Buy a PS3, try out some of the games and then give your opinion again.
While the 360 DOES have some gaming advantages the PS3 still does a good job of gaming (in most cases).
you should buy a car just to listen to it’s stereo while your at it
@xbl4 life,
You’re entitled to your opinion. Personally I think both machines are probably equal for games. It all depends on what you want. If you’re after the online experience, then yes, the 360 is probably for you. If you’re a graphics whore, & want to get hold of things like GT5 (eventually), Uncharted(s), LBP, Killzone 2, GOWIII, & The Last Guardian (when it’s out), then the PS3 will be your cuppa tea.
I don’t think there’s now any arguing against the PS3 having the power to match the 360 for gaming, just looking at some of the exclusives I listed above, & it’s obvious that the old argument that the PS3 is bottlenecked or has an inferior gpu which makes the 360 better technically are just wishful thinking.
To be fair though, technical prowess doesn’t necessarily make for better popularity or even a better product, look at the PS2 & original Xbox (which technically wiped the floor with the PS2).
As for the multiplatform game argument….old hat…they are usually so simliar that even when one is slightly better it’s more often than not just nitpicking. Yeah, there’s obviously the odd Bayonetta out there, but there’s also the Dragon Age:Origins.
Just like you don’t have a PS3, I don’t have a 360, but it isn’t because I don’t think it’d be good for gaming (that’s what “games” consoles tend to be made for), but because the PS3 is enough for me, & the 360 doesn’t offer enough difference to warrant the extra clutter & expense (& I’m certainly not paying for xbl, it’d be a waste of money….for me).
So, in short, get what you want for the games you want, & everything else in the box (Netflix, Vidzone, Iplayer, etc etc) on either console is a bonus.
Better technically is fact, it’s on paper, it’s just not neccesarily better in practice.
(I do agree on most points, but I figured that should be said).
You need a better example though, both Bayonetta AND Dragon Age Origins play better on 360. Bayonetta most people agree on, but here’s what I noticed on Dragon Age (Huge fan btw, only game besides Fallout 3 I got all achievements AND trophies for, both without trying, just playing for ages). The graphics are better on PS3, but the frame rate even now suffers noticably in parts and it’s buggier. That said I imagine the bugs are developerside as on the Bioware forums the attention usually seems to go to the 360 crowd over the PS3 crowd. Hell, I spent over a week waiting for information on downloading the free DLC (as did a large number of PS3 gamers) before I could even play the game.
Game playing smoothly > Better looking bug ridden game.
@Silver,
Bayonetta indeed does play better on the 360, however, it’s been documented, & reviews state that DA:Origins is actually “slightly” better on the PS3. If there are framerate issues on the PS3 then I haven’t noticed them, but that’s because they’re probably not bad enough to distract you unless you’re a reviewer & looking for them. Same as you probably wouldn’t notice the washed out colours & compressed textures on the 360 version unless you were doing a direct comparison between all 3 versions (PC).
http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/11/03/dragon-age-origins-superior-on-ps3-than-xbox-360-bayonetta-in-reverse/
http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/dragonage/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary%3Bread-review&page=2
http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/dragonage/review.html?page=2
To be fair, if you hadn’t seen the other version of either of these games (now that Bayonetta has been patched on the PS3), then you probably wouldn’t even care, as the differences really aren’t that big a deal.
Also, haven’t noticed any bugs on my playthrough DA:Origins. Framerate hasn’t been an issue, & I’ve not come across anything yet from when I first put the disc in the drive that’s actually stopped me, or even slowed me down, well….patching maybe, but I’m talking in-game.
Back to your first point about PS3 “not neccesarily better in practice.” 15 months ago, I would have agreed with you. There was nothing on the PS3 that even remotely made the PS3 look more “technically” more powerful than the 360. Since then we’ve had KZ2, & Uncharted 2, & Gow Of War III. For the most part now multifplatform games are finally getting parity, & although the 360 is still lead platform on a lot of games, the PS3 is starting to get some of that loving. UFC2010 is getting exclusive content, which is generally MS territory. Recently FFXIII was PS3 lead platform. People are finally (yes, it’s taken a while) understanding the PS3 & able to get some good stuff out of it, & it’s a constantly improving situation.
Worldwide since the price drop, the PS3 has been consistently selling more units than the 360
http://www.vgchartz.com/chartsindex.php
& there’s still no piracy on the platform. Developers have got to find that an attractive prospect.
I certainly noticed playing both versions of Dragon Age. (All three if you include PC. :p)
The latest bug I encountered on DA was nearing the endgame triggered events were taking ages to trigger. It was REALLY annoying in that end part where you’re fightin waves of darkspawn before you get to enter the city itself.
And you misunderstood me with the last point. I meant though the 360′s GPU was better technically, the PS3 showed that some of it’s games were better in practice. I think I was most pleasantly surprised by the Madison Paige shower scene in Heavy Rain. Never seen boobs that realistic in any other game on any other console. lol
If you thought Madison Paige was good then check out GOW 3 Aphrodite’s boobs, a wonder in realistic animation, even the little clothing she has is animated with finesse. It certainly tops Heavy Rain.
You’re right, I did misunderstand you. About the better technically thing, not about Madison Paiges boobs, there was no way on hells earth I could misunderstand that. My brother currently has my Heavy Rain, for the last 2 weeks, & he still hasn’t put it into his PS3. Wierdo.
I look forward to finding all of DA:Origins PS3 bugs once I finish with FFXIII, & Just Cause 2. I got distracted in the middle of DA, by other newer shinier things. It happens.
Not sire if you touched on this, i just skimmed all 3 articles during work. Red Ring of Death! For all that the 360 does, this heavily takes it down A BUNCH of notches in my opinion. Everything you said graphics wise, online games play, etc are true and I agree! They are better than the PS3, but that doesn’t mean the PS3 is bad, just means that the 360 barely edges it out. To myself ( being an owner of both and shipping my 360 to Texas for the first time ) a PS3 is the better system BECAUSE I’ll trade being in 1st to not have the Red Ring of Death issue and to HAVE free online instead of having to pay for it. Every friend of mine that has a 360 doesn’t own their origional one, and one of them is on xbox number 7, no LIE, Microsift eplaced it everytime! Of all my friends that has PS3′s, only 1 had to get sent to SOny, and they sent him a check for a new one. All in All, I am glad I have both and they are both worth having, I play my 360 more and it’s better, but if I had to choose just 1, I’m going with the PS3 cause it’s more durrable. If i didn’t have it, I’d be so misserable cause I have no COD MW2 to play! But since I have the game on both systems ( e2unes – gamer tag/ PSN handle ) I am a happy gamer…. Hope this was helpful.
This article is great, but please update it, now there are games like god of war 3, uncharted 2, bayoneta, so soon alan wake, move, natal, and i thing that will be great to see an actual analisis.
thanks
*Warning, this comment contains opinions. If you are like 95% of internet users and don’t understand the concept of opinions, don’t read any further.
Both systems have their ups and downs but the one thing that sells me on the ps3 mainly are the exclusives which are, in my opinion of course, better. Ive been playing inFAMOUS and LPB (still) lately and those are just a few of games on an exstensive list of impressive and innovative ps3 games. The other thing is the arguably more mature online crowd, some may disagree with this but again, this is an opinion. Im not saying that the 360 doesn’t have great exclusives, gears of war and mass effect come to mind, fortunately, i can play most of them on my pc. There are only a few exceptions to this that will get me to dust off my 360 like the upcoming Alan Wake’ which i know im going to get. Plus, the ps3 is an entertainment system, not just a gaming system. (sorry but i had to take that one into account because i use the blu-ray a lot and i know not everyone utilizes this feature.)
@e2unes
i agree completely, the rrod is huge fault in the xbox 360. If it wasn’t for the red ring of death, i wouldn’t have a ps3 so i guess a good thing came out of it. I know they fixed it with the jasper chip but i dont have the money (actually i do but id rather add to my game collection than buy a system that i bought almost 5 years ago because the extended warranty still doesn’t cover my predicament. I mean seriously, who gets the rrod 4 years after they’ve had the system… fml haha)
-on an added note i also hate the xbox fanboys much more because their arguments aren’t generally well structured and usually have something to do with call of duty, plus there are a lot more of them that i’ve noticed
see ya internet
im realy confused :S i got the xbox 360 year ago and i moded it and im banned from playing online so i got mad and bought a ps3 2 weeks ago and im playing it online and it apears that the 360 is better in network/online things
If you’ve experienced both of them just go with whichever you preferred. When it comes to a gaming console, personal preference is likely the most important thing.
That’s because Microsoft bans modded XBoxs from XBox Live to prevent cheating
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I’d have to go with the xbox 360 the xbox has way better games one of the best games I’ve played for the 360 was Fable 2 that game rocks I can’t wait for Fable 3 Prototype is another really awesome game so is Brutal Legend Assassain’s Creed 2 looks awesome so does Dante’s Inferno and Final Fantasy 13 they are out now but haven’t played them yet I love rpg’s and the xbox has alot of them I’ve had my xbox for 2 years now and I’ve never had any problems with It I am so lucky I haven’t had to send it back. The ps3 is fun to play on but I’ll stick with my 360.
I know RPG’s are awsome I love the Final Fantasy series a game that I really can’t wait to try is Final Fantasy XIV but looks like I’ll have to get a PS3 for that.
well all those games are on the ps3 i think, except for fable 2. apparently there are going to be 5 fable games, ors o ive heard.
DARKSIDERS is a really great game out at the moment, underrated id say. Dantes inferno is a game that most 360 owners should get as it like god of war, except nowhere near as good. but still worth playing id say.
I personally like ps3 better, but I do have to admit, xbox live is pretty darn cool if you can pay for it. Playing blu- ray is awsome on ps3, too.
While I find all of these articles very interesting, there are some key issues for a casual gamer like myself. I own both an Xbox 360 and PS3, but have a few major issues with the 360:
1. It’s very noisy when playing DVDs and can’t play Blu-ray movies, and
2. There’s a massive reliability issue with the whole ‘red ring of death’ thing
3. I don’t want to pay yet more to sign up for online gaming
I use my PS3 as a Blu-ray player and I’ll buy exclusive Xbox titles for the 360. I’m lucky to have the best of both worlds, but people really need to consider if they’re purchasing solely for gaming, or for a lot of movie watching too.
Sure the 360′s way cheaper and is easier to program for to achieve better results… Thing is, as this article points out, the PS3 has the potential for more power when programmed the right way; thinking back the Sega Saturn was an ass to program for compared to the original PlayStation and this led to a lot of awful ports… yet there were some incredible side-scrolling 2D platformers and beat em ups on the Sega that, sadly, pretty much only ever got seen inside of Japan. The PS3/360 battle’s not on the same level of disparity. Without running the games side by side I’d suggest it’s impossible to tell the difference and, in truth, it should be about just enjoying the gameplay experience than geeking out over an AA texture.
Never a person to venture into the world of the console, having been (and still) a diehard PC fan since I was young (which I am surely not now!), I now find that I have pretty much no choice in having to buy my first console. Why? Three words, and we all know them:
RED
DEAD
REDEMPTION
Sure, it may come out for the PC, but that could be months, even a year or more away and I just can’t wait. From what I’ve seen of this game I love it, and I need to play it. I need to play it NOW!
So the question is, which console do I go for, having had zero experience in consoles previous to this? I’m still deciding, but beginning (slightly) to come down on the side of the PS3. Central to this decision is this RROD on the Xbox, of which I know nothing I admit, but if a console can be so flawed as to have this massive bug in it, even if it doesn’t happen now, I think that is a huge selling non-point, if such things exist! Also, online gaming doesn’t really interest me.
So. anyone think I’m making the wrong decision?
the red ring of death is not as prevalent today as it was in earlier xbox 360 consoles but it still exists, another 360 phenomenon is lazer burn, nothing much has been said about as it doesn’t affect the console directly but it will mess up whatever disc you had in the tray, most game shops offer insurance against this happening for as little as £2 but it is still an annoyance, basically the lazer on the 360 gets jolted after minimum movement or if it is placed on an unstable surface like carpet, the result is a perfect circle burned into the disc rendering it useless, this can happen to the PS3 also but not as often as the chassis for the lazer is more durable and flexible, or so i’m told. it has happened to me several times but that was my own carelessness when i have ever inadvertently bumped my machine, if it’s online play through RDR you want the main advice is to go to the 360 and pay for the privilege and a mythical better service, the PS3 has reached parity with it so any of these arguments for superior online play via XBL is null and void but really i would’nt bother, read dead redemption is a shambles online, long queues, respawning miles from any action, auto aim, invisible barriers, invisible horses and already it is rife with lag switch idiots, when looking to see if any of your friends are playing the menu, (which is a laborious task to navigate) fails to tell you if they are online or in singleplay, i have been kicked form several online games because someone else had poor connection, that’s the error message you will see constantly, how someone else’s bad connection will affect mine is bizarre but that’s what happens.
of course single play is fun but the menu system is a chore, the game is not really mapped well and the icons on your map are baffling, a skull represents the sheriffs office, other places of interest are just as misleading so very often you will find yourself riding for ages to get to some objective that really was not worth the time, everyone else’s horse is faster than yours and have better aim, when you’re trying to escape from some bandits after you run out of bullets you cab have a 10 mile headstart but invariably they will catch you and shoot you in the face as you jerk around on a horse that will not go in the direction you want and find yourself aiming at a cactus plant when someone 2 ft behind is blowing holes in your head, the game is a mess
i wouldnt say xbl has “a mythical better service”, i think it just is. so do many millons of people.
overall it is better. there are more users on it and more peoplpe to play with, thus more games to play in Red Dead Redemption online. More choice as well.
the game itself is not defined for one console, it will be here and there on both, so they are on par.
either way, its a great game.
RRoD is overplayed when talking the current models on the market. Previous 360 models were hit considerably harder than the newer ones. Lazer burn I’ve only ever seen happen when some idiot moved his 360 from vertical to horizontal position (it’d prob happen the other way too) while a game was in the tray. I’ve heard of PS3s burning discs two, and haven’t heard of many verifiable cases of either.
XBL did and still does have a better online service which might be threatened soon when Sony rolls out their premium service. For now though it’s simply outmatched.
Red Dead Redemption itself runs better on a 360 and if it’s the sole game you’re after Trollheart I would recommend one so you can appreciate the higher resolution, especially on larger HD displays. If not your sole reason I would look at individual games (FFXIII was the reverse of this with a higher res PS3 version and a lower res 360 version) and see which runs more games you’re interested in and which runs them better. Look at things like framerate as well as graphical effects.
Used my Ps3 to type this. Would also like 2 add that the Metal Gear games are the best games i’ve ever played. Second comes the Splinter Cell ones. there both exclusive,(minus DB) so im sad i cant have both
Well I gotta say, you can safely ignore all 3 articles in my book…none of it matters….as at the end of the day, you pick the console with the games you want to play. If you are coming from a PC background and really like FPS games, sure…get an Xbox 360. If you like console games and the best third person adventures, what with the MGS franchise, the Uncharted games and Heavy Rain (Alan Wake won’t cut the mustard after playing that), as well as the *true* ground-breaking stuff, like the much anticipated The Last Guardian (sequel to Ico and Shadow of the Colossus), then there is only one console on the market for you. The fact you get a Blu-Ray player that is still being used as a reference quality machine by several notable Blu-Ray review websites and magazines is just a nice little bonus. It’s all about the games, baby.
As regards the above price breakdown, when you factor all your proprietary add-ons, your Xbox Live ranso…er, sorry…fees, and all the rest of the little things M$ just love to make you pay through the nose for, then PS3′s price is still pretty much a none-issue. If you ARE big on graphical comparisons and all that other nonsense, then the one bit of worthy wisdom across the whole three articles is the fact that X360 has indeed peaked….while the PS3′s unique architecture, like all Sony consoles, won’t see its very best till near the end (Shadow of the Colossus was released while PS3 was out…it took the PS2 beyond its limit and is considered more art than video-game). Oh, and and you won’t spend your time worrying if your console will pop its clogs….not to mention PS3 runs cooler and quieter, and looks better (slim version).
Sure, the Xbox 360 was a fine platform (I won’t say a fine machine as RRoD was an absolute joke, with a 50% plus failure rate at one point, and Jasper never totally saw the back of it), and it has had a good run….but it is *all* about PS3 now, at least as far as the future is concerned.
I have a ps3, so I will always be partial to it, but I personally think the xbox360 is a better console because of the games that it has.
the main downside to 360 is the RROD and its reliability. the 3 year warranty is simply not enough for anyone. problems IMHO have not been fixed. i think the system is just too “powerful” for its slim design. i’d wish microsoft kept the bulky, boxy design of their old console and worked from there. replacing a console every few years is unacceptable and should not be allowed.
so with that, 360 is better for gaming…and looks more realistic, but ps3 is a far better long term solution.
I truly believe you need to make a new one, In around November I got a PS3 Slim 120GB for $299 And Modern Warfare 2 for $59.99.(Same on 360 and PS3) But When I see people playing online, my friends, people in You tube, everything is almost identical. And in accessory wise the difference in headsets is that X-Box have many more to choose from. The 360 you can get rechargeable battery packs for the 360 now but on PS3 if you have 2 remotes, one can always be charging while using the other and be switched out. I am 14 and only own that one game, I have had a PS2 for 4 years till I got a PS3 and I have ALWAYS found the PlayStation remote easier to use than a 360. I really enjoyed this article and hope you update this one again :)
i have to agree with dingdong. it matters on what type of controller you used growing up. personally i prefer xbox controllers, i kinda like its design. i dont have a ps3 though so im not really the one to take sides
:)
Kid, you can use ANY bluetooth or usb headset out there with the ps3. Not just the ones made by Sony and other parties. ANY of them will synch just fine with the ps3.
Tell that to my foldup headset I used to use for LAN gaming, apparently it didn’t get the memo.
*Most* work, there are a few that won’t.
If you have the money I recommend Turtle Beach headsets as I’ve had nothing even compare when it comes to clarity and sound quality in general. The official ones look cool but they feel so cheap to me actually using one.
yeah that could be because u owned a ps2 for 4 years and being 14, the playstation controller is probably more your size, as it was for me growing up. my older brother, who is 27 admits the playstation controller could be bugger, but that being said, the xbox one is too big.
its all a matter of opinion. those who grew up with xbox would most likely prefer it and those who brought up with playstation prefer that.
i can use both quite easy but i do prefer the xbox one, as it has more weight.
its all opinionative and everyone is entitled to prefer one or the other, there is no right or wrong.
the only thing xbox has better than ps3 is controllers and design.the slim ps3 is better than a stupid xbox
Oh and the quality of the online service, even if not the price.
At least until PSN premium. :D
can you play Halo on the PS3?
thats right, you cant
can you have parties (talk to your friends no matter what game their playing)?
nope
plus the XBOX 360 and PS3 are the same size, the XBOX 360 might be smaller.
so you cannot talk unless you know what youre talking about!
Can you play Killzone 2 on the 360? (Just asking, neither of them are among my favourites).
Parties are a definete no, but I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar is introduced in PSN premium. It’s a feature I’ve missed an unusual amount since playing my PS3 more often.
The 360 *IS* smaller which anyone who owns both can tell you.
I have both so I know exactly what I’m talking about. =D
actually did you know that Halo 3 ODST outsold Killzone 2 within the first
24 hours of its release and Killzone 2 came out almost a year before Halo 3
ODST
a few things…
1: built in wifi
2: blu-Ray
3: FREE online
4:HD support (since it was released)
5:silent fan
6: 10% return vs 360′s 40% return rate
7: divx playability and storage
8: compatible with blue-tooth headsets (it’s great)
9: ps3 controller less bulky… A little more natural.. Not much different though.
10: hardware failures very uncommon on ps3.
6;
well, can you play Uncharted? can you play little big planet? can you play God of war? well… can you? Halo is basically the only one that ps3 ppl cant play, well that sux but we also have many videogame series that xbox doesnt have either! so stop complaining. and actually, we can chat while we play any game, the only downfall though is that we cant play any song we want during some games but thats not something really important that we can say makes a system better than another
if u think xbox360 is better u re rily fucked up
And why is the PS3 better?
Most of the better games are now multiplatform and you said the 360 controller was better yourself.
I’m just asking, for all I know you’re a multimedia junkie.
whatever nigga ps3 has sold more games and console than the xbox
No it hasn’t.
And a good number of the PS3s sold were used as cheap super computers/blu ray players instead of game consoles.
True story brah.
More people have XBOX Live than others have a PS3
youd have to be a pretty dumb person to think one is better because they both have their ups and downs
and the funny thing is that PSN is free and so is the Wii internet connection thing
but XBOX Live still has better connection and has more stuff
Actually I think I remember reading somewhere that there are more PSN ID’s than XBL but this is probably because PSN is free and it costs nothing to make multiple accounts on one PS3. PS3′s are still outselling Xbox 360 in most regions apart from America. The total number Xbox 360 sale’s are still higher than the PS3 to date, but how many of them are still working today? for instance when I got the RROD, I just went out and bought a cheap arcade version rather than waiting for repairs, but it seems that Xbox owners generally buy more games than PS3 owners.
As for xbox having a better internet connection, I think is more likely effected by where you live rather than your console of choice.
do u even have a ps3?
Multiple PS3s. And Multiple 360s.
And Multiple Wiis. Not too many consoles I don’t have a couple of, though I think I have more different Nintendo DSes than any other console. Why?
Woah there Dartruck.
You’re obviously some teenage moron with a PS3
Apart from being wrong about the whole sales thing (the PS3 is catching up in worldwide sale, but it’s not there yet, & the 360 is still selling more of most multiplatform games), & the fact that you used the word “nigga” on a forum, & with “that” spelling as well, just shows your level of education.
I happen to agree with you about the PS3 being better, but agreeing with you is making me feel slightly disturbed, & more than a little bit queesy. At least I can fall back on the fact that it’s just my opinion.
I believe the PS3 to be a “technically” better machine, but technically only gets you so far. I’m sure the Lambo LP640 is “technically” better than an Aston Martin DB9, but I know which I’d rather have.
As stated by the sensible people on here (not me then!), it’s down to opinion, & what you want out of the machine. I can’t be bothered listing the pro’s & con’s any more, it’s all being done to the n’th degree in the posts above.
Oops, I mispelt Darktruck’s name. Oh, well he mispelt “u”, & “nigga”, & “rily”. he really really did, no really.
You asked Silver he if even had a PS3?
Darktruck, do you even have an education?
well yeah xbox 360 has the most games sold to consoles sold ratio i think. well, it was a fact a few years ago, and the fact that most xbox exclusives outsell ps3 exclusives in the first month, not to mention multiplatforms, which i think somewhere around 90% of them sell better on the xbox.
i do agree with Kaden101. while i still do prefer the xbox, and i think it is ‘better’, i think most people ( including 360 owners and possiblyl fanboys)
can agree that the ps3 is better technically. i think that is pretty much fact.
Gears Of War 3, Killzone 3 and Crysis 2. Cant wait.
When is the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 3 years later article? Please answer this time!
After E3
Sweet, I was beginning to think there mightn’t be one. :D
Currently… I’m actually playing the PS3 more at the moment (apart from Red Dead Redemption which seems to play better on 360) because of the blu ray aspect. I’m lazy and have that many things plugged into my TV if it weren’t for the builtin player I’d have to change cables every time I went from video games to newer movies or vice versa. I think that if PSN premium is a noticable improvement in online features I might play the PS3 99% of the time, but I’ll still need my precious 360 for the games either not available on PS3 or inferior on PS3.
I’m not seeing much of a performance difference in gaming but have noticed several multis playing noticably better on one console or the other like FFXIII favouring the PS3, RDR favouring the 360.
And despite everything looking blurry and downright crap on my current smallest (32 inch) TV, I’ve probably been playing the Wii more than anything. Some of those first party Nintendo games are incredible and I’ve been getting ready for Super Mario Galaxy 2′s Australian release with some of the original. :D
you are a f**king dumb a*s
there is no better one it depends on what you like
if you like halo then get an xbox
if you like blu-ray get a ps3
and what you said about the XBOX 360 not being quiet while watching a movie on the one year later article, that is FALSE
i have watched movies on probably 10 and NOT HEARD A PEEP
anyone who reads this article, dont believe this dumb a*s just try out both and then YOU decide which one is the best FOR YOU…this guy doesnt know what he is talking about
If you like games get all three.
Oh and the Xbox 360 is noisy compared to every other device that I have that’s capable of playing DVD’s but not unbearable.
Some are loud, some run fairly quietly.
I’ve always been lucky thus far but my mate’s launch 360 sounds fairly noticable without the volume up a nice amount.
I’m wondering if it might even be as simple as the model of drive in the particular 360 as I’ve heard a few different models have been used. It’d be worth looking into if anyone can get access to a decent sized pool of them.
oh and just to let you know
they are making this new software for the XBOX 360 and it is gong to be interactive…so forget about your problems with your friends!
Are you referring to natal? PS3 has move controller but to be honest I’m personally not that impressed with either.
What moogle101 said.
Just going by experience, when have cameras/motion sensing killed the good ol’ gamepad for hardcore gamers in the past?
Some games would absolutely suck without precise, tight controls and the only alternative I can think of is nerfing the difficulty and do we really want that?
I own both Consoles, had the 360 first (owned 2 already because of stupid E71 errors ) Got the ps3 a while back. still have it with no problems to date. I like both console just as much, but must admit it feels more “classy” using the Ps3 and it feels more “cartoony” using the 360. just not too stoked about the rumors that the ps4 might not even have an optical drive, only a HDD for game downloads only…thats gay!
Thanks Carl.
i was a fan of sony until ps3 popped out; before ps3 sony was still a good company that offered a good enough piece of hardware at an affordable price, if you ask me, but no! they have to be fancy! they have to gain more money (because they don’t have enough already :D), let’s put in a new dvd type with a new dvd drive which no one has so we can brag about it!…FAIL! what really makes me believe that xbox is better now aren’t games or graphics, it’s the quality of the hardware and the price they’re sold off. i mean ok, when the first models came out, they were a bit…outer-space prices (here, 600€ for ps3 and 450€ for 360), and prices began to lower, but ps3 still sells at an abnormal price here…i mean…500€ for the 120GB model without any game worth to pay for in the bundle is SICK, while xbox costs 300€ by now with some of the best games out there (like GoW2) in the bundle, and even less if you bring some games from ps2/xbox 1 (or even the consoles themselves!) that you can change in for a discount, although this is not avaible in all shops.
from what i’ve heard from friends, at that time, whenever there was a bug or an hardware issue, SONY went with the usual “bear with us” policy…almost no refunds if not in special cases, and warranties were kept normal, new models came out and price was lowered just a bit. ok it reads blu-ray disks, so what? i don’t know now if games fill up the whole 25 GB of the blu-ray (if i recall correctly they were 25, correct me if wrong), and i seriously hope they don’t…because it would be an extreme waste of space…if it really is like this, look at the xbox, some of the games have identical graphics, but the xbox uses 3 times less the space of ps3. also as soon as XBOX came to know the overheating issues they extended warranty of the first model from 1 year to 3 years, and they also made new models with better hardware lowering the price A LOT, their console is practically completely mod-able…frontends, covers, internals, heat-sinks, fans, hard disks…everyone with even a minimum knowledge of computer electronics can make his xbox his OWN model, and people with better knowledge can make their console better by installing a water-cooling system for example. i could continue for ages, but i’d probably end up in stirring trouble with some fanboys that would start “F**K XBOX! F**K YOU YOU SONUVA…!”. just look at the facts, think with your head and say what YOU think about this, also make constructive criticism if you like, but don’t answer because the flow of videogame market told you so, don’t answer because you think the ps3 is better only because you’ve always bought sony consoles and never tried microsoft ones, don’t answer because your friends think it’s right like this…
well thats when i “left” sony. ok, i wasnt a hardcore sony fan (or just playstation fan) but i played my ps2′s many many hours. i pretty much spent most my teenage life on that. i hated xbox at the time (for whatever reason)
and couldnt stand friends bickering on about how the graphics were superior.
at the time the xbox 360 came out, i was like ok, now when is the ps3 comng out. i thought that sony had planned to launch their ps3 at around the same time as the xbox 360. so maybe microsoft didnt ‘rush’ their product, just that sony chose to bring theirs out later. that is when i was kind of pissed, i mean if you were a sony fan, you had to hear about people bragging about their next-gen gaming experiences for a year before you could even say someting back, but even then, gears of war had come out and had beaten resistance graphics wise ( and other areas depending on your tastes).
i eventually bought the xbox as it was cheaper and my friends already had it. thats the only reason i play the xbox, because my friends. not just the ones i had before hand, but the ones i have made on xbl.
i just hope the next consoles come out at the same time so i can make a more justified purchase. with gears of war ending next april, and halo finsihing up, i think the next sony console may be the better choice for me, IF it comes out at roughly the same time as the xbox, not 1 year later. but id stilll keep my 360 obviously.
more posts people.
@ – Manuel
“but ps3 still sells at an abnormal price here…i mean…500€ for the 120GB model”
and the 250gb sells for 350€?
don’t be making your own prices, the standard retail price for a PS3 is 350€ for 250gb, the 360 elite is 300€
your diluting your xbox fanaticism in fear of been called a fanboy by lying about the price.
the 360 elite on it’s own is 300€, add in all the additional costs or have you forgot about them?
“from what i’ve heard from friends, at that time, whenever there was a bug or an hardware issue, SONY went with the usual “bear with us” policy…almost no refunds if not in special cases, and warranties were kept normal,”
– hearsay from friends is a fail argument, my friends told me that their 360 came alive one night and ate their dog, see how simple it is to lie.
apart from the obvious scam/additional costs, fragility, noise and been populated by obnoxious kids the xbox cannot run MAG or anything similar which makes it redundant as a gaming console to me and am glad i got rid of it;s decaying carcass.
i was never a fanboy but hell i’m becoming one, PS3 is vastly superior to M$’s rattle box, deal with it.
sorry kaden ass nigga but i was banging yo momma so hard i forgot bout education
some of you americans hate ps3 bcoz its made by japanese and bcoz its the best console and u love xbox bcoz its made by americans.grow up
Not all of us are American you realise?The part I find funny is most of the Americans posting here seem to prefer the PS3. Before you ask, I’m not American even though I love the quality of some American products (especially American security supplies like the good ol’ Mag-lite.
Note that everyone here is laughing at the wanabe-gangster?
Don’t hurt your head figuring out what I just said to you, I’ll simplify it to a way that neolithic cavemen can figure it out. Here goes. You (Points at you). Are (Waves arms). A (Holds up a finger). Inmature (Monkeydance). Little(point at small object). Fag(Points at you). Understand?
ive watched a lot of movies in the Xbox 360, but ive never had distracting sounds from it. do you have your xbox vertically? because i always had it horizontal but when i fliped it vertical one day it made the most terrible SCREEEEEEEEEECH WHIR CRACK CRACK CRACK noises. since then, ive never turned it verticle again. try using it horizontal, that may help with the noise problem :D
@sav0)))
nice flaming mate…
“and the 250gb sells for 350€?
don’t be making your own prices, the standard retail price for a PS3 is 350€ for 250gb, the 360 elite is 300€
your diluting your xbox fanaticism in fear of been called a fanboy by lying about the price.
the 360 elite on it’s own is 300€, add in all the additional costs or have you forgot about them?”
first: it also depends on shops who sell them, i admit i did a pricing error here, basing my comment only on one single shop, but still, i always see ps3 at an higher price than 360 with a game in bundle that’s not worth buying or even renting. i’m not making prices, i’m basing my comment on what i’ve seen around.
second: i’m not a fanboy of MS; actually i’d like to have a ps3 as well, but i think it’s not worth the money when most of the games i want are on 360 and are actually better made and better looking games than ps3, but that is just my gamer’s opinion. sure there are exceptions, sometimes i wish that some ps3 exclusives could be ported on 360, even if they never do, but i don’t really care that much, i’m happy with what i have.
third: 360 has additional costs IF you want to pay for ‘em. you can always play single player, thus your sentence regarding the additional costs has no meaning.
“apart from the obvious scam/additional costs, fragility, noise and been populated by obnoxious kids the xbox cannot run MAG or anything similar which makes it redundant as a gaming console to me and am glad i got rid of its decaying carcass.
i was never a fanboy but hell i’m becoming one, PS3 is vastly superior to M$’s rattle box, deal with it.”
as i said above, additional costs are there IF you want to pay for them, and that’s a big IF. it is fragile? it can be repaired! and fast too, be it by yourself or by sending it to someone else, which doesn’t have to be necessarily microsoft’s customer service. it is noisy? it can be made quiet with the correct tools and the needed knowledge! and again, you can pay someone to do it for you if you don’t have the knowledge and if you trust the guy/girl. it is populated by obnoxious kids? sorry, it’s not my problem if some 12yo ruins your game experience because you frag him too much and he cries on you, or viceversa anyway; games are full of these kids, and not only xbox games, ps3 and pc games as well, deal with it. cannot run MAG? honestly, i don’t even know what that is, but i don’t care anyway; i mean, it’s just a console, play it to have fun, who cares if it runs things or not! last, but not least, don’t call others fanboys if you, yourself, say you’re becoming one, because this means your judging is based on popular demand, not on your own thinking. now please, go flame someone else ok? thanks!
http://gizmodo.com/5555953/fanboyism-and-brand-loyalty
True enough, and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think I was that way to start with. But I think most of the current comment regulars have experience with both consoles or did their research about what was better for them and mention that.
I notice those who aren’t are either getting crushed or ignored by all sides. lol
well, america generally go 50/50 with ps3 to xbox purchases, unlike Japan, where they will outsell xbox 360′s 10 to 1 on a bad day. though, i do respect Japan, as they generally prefer not to adopt foreign………well, anything. Japan is one of my favourite countries, simply because they support Japanese products more ( their own) and are at less risk of letting in bomb terrorists.
Japan are one of the biggest purchases ( for a single country) of ps3′s, if not the biggest. in ratio they would be ( population to purchases).
so saying americans only buy american products is a dumb generalisation, as they are very accepting of many cultures, just take a look at their peoples backgrounds.
oh, by the way, im australian.
Not sure if anyone has posted the demos for the Playstation move or Project Natal, so I decided to post some demos I saw.
Here is the Playstation Move demo link
http://techland.com/2010/06/14/exclusive-sony-playstation-move-tech-demo/
Here is the Project Natal Link
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/New-Real-Time-Project-Natal-Demonstration-Footage/6812
Be sure to read our review of the Microsoft E3 2010 press conference. We’ll be reviewing the others as well. I am watching Miyamoto bomb the Zelda presentation right this moment :(
I think there is one thing both xbox and ps3 lovers can agree upon. They both kick the Wii’s ass! Am i right?
To sum it all up, I’m not saying the Xbox 360 is better than the PS3, for each one has things that the other doesn’t, so they’re pretty much 50/50 to me, but I do personally prefer the Xbox 360. In terms of hardware and multimedia, PS3 pretty much wins. I prefer the 360 though because I LOVE ONLINE GAMING and do it very heavily on my PC, for it is one of the platforms I play the most, and btw, the games on the 360 seem to appeal more to me. Although I grew up with Nintendo 64 and Gamecube as a small child, and later moved on to Wii and occasionally PS2, im sure I could get used to the 360 style controlers. Although PS3 contrllers are much more comfortable to me.
XBOX 360 SLIM
the xbox price just crashed down man. an elite 120gb is $249 in aus now, comes with halo 3 odst and forza 3. the price has dropped at most places whereas the cheapest u can get a ps3 here is like $500. it is usually around $600 with 2 games ( forgot them).
the price has dropped most likely due to the fact that the xbox 360 slim was announced at E3. It looks even sexier than the ps3 now, its awesome. and smaller to. heres the link
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware?uid=94526596&tid=1011
Yeah I saw that.
And a MS rep explained to me it can’t RRoD.
I asked him why and he told me they didn’t include the actual red LED or something.
I lol’d.
man built in wi-fi. now it is competing with the ps3, and it is quiter now to. quieter than the ps3?? anyways, im getting it as it looks awesome. the main reason ill be getting it is for the quiet performance and maybe the energy saving. i’d still use a ethernet cable most the time though, though the wi-fi would be handy for some situations. and kinect looks kool, although ive already seen a couple games that should be on wii. nevertheless, ill try em out.
Our Review of Sony’s E3 2010 Press Conference is up. First we were called Sony Fanboys, then Microsoft Fanboys, then Sony Fanboys. Now we’re Microsoft fanboys again.
The funniest part is, I thought Nintendo had the best E3 of all…
OK guys, the Xbox 360s base price is the same as the PS3′s in America. But if you add the additional costs of buying a wireless adapter and/or and Xbox Live subscription fee, then the total price of The Xbox 360 ends up being a lot more than The PS3. Granted, you get what you pay for and Xbox Live is higher quality service than PSN. But, the PS3 is more capable of running more in depth games than the Xbox 360. That is on paper though, and games such as Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, are just beginning to tap into the potential of the PS3. I personally believe that we have now seen all The Xbox 360 has to offer. Yes, I am American, but no, the assumption that we only buy American products is false. I would much rather buy a PS3 or a Wii, before an Xbox 360 simply for the reason that it is Japanese made. Before I am called a fanboy, I will tell you that I am really a neutral observer. I own a Wii, not and Xbox, and not a PS3. I own a Wii because of Zelda and Mario, solely. So that is what I have to say about this.
Xbox 360 has had full HD surport since it came out 360 comes with a wired head set which dosent run out like bluetooth headsets so no interuptions wired connection out dose wireless unless ur useing wireless “n” which ps3 can’t use 360 can use cross game party chat and game invitations also 360 will soon come with built in wifi running wireless “n” + plus a 250Gb hdd and the ability to use any USB storage and kintic is released in november
Oh + the new 360 will retale for around £199 in the uk
Serpantine,
What?
Something about Bluetooth running out on the PS3? Huh? Never had bluetooth interruptions. The controllers are bluetooth, & they work perfectly.
Something about PS3 not being able to use wireless!? – with a USB dongle, wireless is fine. How you do think 3rd party controllers & the Buzz controllers work…by magic?
Personally, I think it’s a good thing that wireless now comes built into the 360…about time…Still can’t justify the money, & the space to purchase one though. I also think it looks a lot better than the old one.
I think he means battery dying while playing (causing the signal to die with no power to maintain it), the one natural disadvantage of any wireless peripheral when gaming. That said, some bluetooth headsets can be used wired while charging anyways so it isn’t that big an obstacle.
I know mine works well like that anyway.
I use a 3rd party bluetooth headset on ps3 last about 5 hours befor it needs charging again my friend has the Sony one he says he gets around 7 hours with that as for wifi dongles my d-link “n” dongle dosnt work on the ps3 or 360 but we move stuff around and have gon wired on both
yeah well the 360′s are going to drop dramatically in price soon, as the slim is coming out. the wifi is better than the ps3′s, as stated. i think the only thing it doesnt have that is worth mentioning ( hardware wise) is blu-ray. it is supposed to be retailing here cheaper than the ps3 as well. although sony will most likely drop the price of the ps3 a month before the xbox slim comes out.
Sony need to pull there finger out of there arse or there going to be behind free online and blu ray won’t get them far enough on the price range they have
No, SONY dont need to do anything. This is coming from someone who prefers the xbox.
Sony were smart in investing in blu-ray ( damn, i said in-in-in).
blu-ray dvds have dropped dramatically in price, and will continue to do so. in another couple of years, blu-ray will be absolutely everywhere. Sony have also brought out 3D tv’s, which will also be big in another couple of years. ( well, a lot bigger than what they are now).
i think microsoft are the ones who have to pull their fingers out their bung-holes ( i love saying bung-hole………………… bung-hole) as blu-ray is fast approaching everyones home, just how dvds have fully replaced old video tapes in every home. they need to make a new format or something, or at least pay a but load to be able to support blu-ray on their next console.
i think sony are grinning at their predicted sales figures over these next few years and onwards. so no-one worry.
the blue tooth headsets on the ps3 are an absolute joke sound-quility wise. I mean, they look cooler than the xbox ones but they produce so much static and fuzz. I ended up buying a £60 turtle beach which is great.
I don’t like the idea of sitting at home with dumbass glasses on to watch something in 3d which will only give me a headache I think il go with Mitsubishi laser tvs
i heard somewhere ( i think from an unreliable source…………………….like a friend) that companies are working on 3D gaming without the need for glasses. dont know how long that would take.
but yer, all headsets are pretty annoying after a while. unless you buy a top of the range or at least a pretty good one. my xbox one, which i have had for almost 3 years now ( wired), is starting to give me an earache. i think it is dying, and starts buzzing, at a very sharp pitch/frequency that is driving my head insane. i have ditched it though, as i dont want to risk permanent damage.
i could probably haggle microsoft down for one if i complain like a bitch lol.
I agree about the Sony headsets, I got an official one & had so much trouble with the volume on the mic that I ended up returning it & getting they Eye.
I’m impressed that Microsoft have finally built Wi-Fi in, & future proofed it with the “n” spec, but as most people don’t have an internet connection faster than 54mb anyway, it’s not that useful at the moment. I only have a 4mb connection, “n” spec wireless would be a waste of time for me.
I want to know how good the 3D on 3DS is as it doesn’t need glasses. That’s the way 3D should be done, & it isn’t like I’m a Nintendo fan.
OK 2 put it simple, technology is advancing 2 all new stages and now there is 3D television. Oh please, ps3 and xbox 360 are competing for the sake of money. Now there is gonna be all different versions of everything, its really starting 2 kill people. People just want 2 enjoy their lives instead of worrying about the Xenos GPU being stronger or bad blue tooth or online servicing.
And one thing is a fact, xbox vs PlayStation, the war is never gonna end. For me i like the PlayStation 3 for its GAMES. GoW3, Metal gear solid 4, assassins creed 2 and many more.
Note# Its all about games. If games are better on this and that choose this and that. Nothing else 2 it
If the three years article comes out i think ps3 will be superior. Its all about taste and opinions.
And by the way im aussie.
well the thing is 2comp, alot of people play online. If you got a headset that’s hard to hear through it holds back your experience if your playing with friends. Thats annoying. I agree with you about all this different versions of the same thing stuff. I wont be getting the new xbox because it doesn’t offer anything else. I can still play kinect when it comes out and i don’t need 250GB because i have a good 30GB left on my pro. atm im playing ps3 though because im enjoying killzone
apart from a few halo games, the xbox 360 also has left 4 dead 1 and 2. and dont forget gears of war.
Left 4 Dead 2 sucks when your in Australia, but i bought it online from england i think. very violent and wicked gameplay, love it.
oh, and most importantly, xbox is getting a dancing game?????
damn its like those crappy wii titles are taking over the xbox and playstation now.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 for game of the year!!!
O.k so a while ago I left a comment about me owning both ps3 and the 360 and that I thought (by that time,which was probably 3 weeks ago) that both were satisfactory to my gaming needs. Besides the fact that I had my 360 re placed twice already…
with that said fkn TADAAAA!!!
The 360 returns like a bad mannered child waiting for me to give attention to him, so that it could show me how really annoying and bad ass it can and will be, and frankly there is nothing I can do about it…
\m/, YAY ,\m/ !
It’s now starting to go blank during game play for about 3 seconds at the most critical moment in game play, just enough for you to either loose a fight, or crash your Konig into an Lambo or whatever you might be doing at that moment gaming wise,but yet I am so lucky to still hear the sound of engines roar and metal and glass breaking and merging into one another. In fact it makes me so happy that I would gladly merge my fist into the pretty shell of the bad as child like 360 ! That will show e’m …sadly it wont(according to my therapist). It will only show me the gaping wound on my fist but perhaps like in God Of War 3(ps3) where you get your revenge I will be planting my right fist into the depths of its carcass and keep going at it until I’d reach the point of asking myself how can I beat this child 360 what combos am I to do? Well the answer is simple…just stop ! Yes stop with the 360 just fkn stop it ! Grow up, get new quest or just be happy with your ps3…
The problem is that the 360 is also like a bad habit, you know you shouldn’t do it and that it WILL at an unforgiving time drop you in the brownies…but still you go back to it, you love it, you play with it and then BANG it drops you in the brownies…when will the madness stop I ask you ?!?!
Please Sony, Please Microsoft I’m in need of a next gen console NOW !!!
I realize this is an old article and you may not read the comments anymore and while I agree the Xbox 360 is a better choice…’irregardless’ is not a word. In the future, for your articles to have more credibility, have an articulate friend read it first.
Thanks for pointing this typo out, 18 months after it was published.
By the way, you should have an articulate friend help you with your grammar next time you want to play typo police while leaving comments on blogs ;)
Byson, as a slang loving Australian I feel I must virtually slap you for indicating you feel the usage of colloquial is anything bar magnificent.
*virtually slaps*
That is all.
To be fair, it isn’t a word, and I would never use it intentionally. I don’t know why he has to be such a douche about it though. Considering his poor grammar, he shouldn’t be the one casting stones ;)
I read this comment in ammusement, and looked up the word and found that although irregardless is not universally accepted, being a double negative and therefore pointless. Irregardless is a word. Used commonly by every-day people, journalists and authors and has been entered into webster’s third international dictionary.
Besides, do you really enjoy being a nag?
I agree with the text mostly. It is difficult to say witch one is better but i figured out the solution. Buy them both and be happy like i am ;)
Unfortunately, for you, irregardless is a word.
irregardless
an erroneous word that, etymologically, means the exact opposite of what it is used to express, attested in non-standard writing from at least 1870s (e.g. “Portsmouth Times,” Portsmouth, Ohio, U.S.A., April 11, 1874: “We supported the six successful candidates for Council in the face of a strong opposition. We were led to do so because we believed every man of them would do his whole duty, irregardless of party, and the columns of this paper for one year has [sic] told what is needed.”); probably a blend of irrespective and regardless . Perhaps inspired by the double negative used as an emphatic.
Irregardless is a word…. Look it up…..
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
have you never made a mistake. Perhaps you should rethink being so annal.
You do realize he said neither is the better system right?
idk how you got the idea that he said Xbox is better kid
u spellted itt rong. yore sew shtupid.
lol. who cares man, its the internet. no-one is writing an english literature piece, so you know. if you know trhe message he is trying to get across, then don’t bother trying to be a smart assssseerrrr.
though i will correct trash talking people from time to time.
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Waiting to see what you post after this E3. Having read so many different opinion sites, I conclude most people do not compare games but the consoles. The fact that the developers have to take responsibility in making their code work on a console is rarely brought up.
With recent changes towards the PS3 platform, I would think that things will continue to blossom for both consoles. My reason for saying this is the method to program the PS3 requires the coders to put the idea to a channel rather than having a compiler do it. This means certainty in performance rather than hoping and chopping. This benefits the 360 games as well as they will start to dictate better how the cpu cores are really working and memory management should improve for the lot of them.
Great reads! Catch you on the next article.
Is another comparison article on the way? Did any major change happen hardware wise? Looking forward to your reply as I am about to buy one next month. Thanks.
PS: Great article btw. Thank you.
Just bouncing around the net looking for new graphics information today. Didn’t expect to find a site talking about the end of polygons. Has anyone seen this stuff. The company name is Unlimited Detail. This is the site they have. http://unlimiteddetailtechnology.com/videos.html
There are some videos posted on youtube. They are making some hefty claims stating that they can make the most realistic images at the resolution you are using. They state it can all be done on a cpu. They seem to imply that the gpu companies are trying to not let them out of the bag.
The fact that they say it is a complex calculation to decide which point to display makes me curious if this can be done in a realtime, physics laden environment. All the videos shown are just still worlds. Pay no mind to the lack of good art as they say its not done by artists. The idea is to see the relationship of shape in contrast to the traditional poly builds we see today.
In all, I hope it is real. I hope they can do it soon and I hope Sony or MS gets behind them. There are discussions about how this could bring the Wii even up to the “HD” look in games. Sony will have yet another chance to prove “the cell makes it better.” Just seeing an iPhone running graphics that surpass Crysis would be amazing.
What are your thoughts.
“Irregardless” *is* a word. It has officially been recognised as such since the 1920′s, being in common usage as early as 1910.
Most cretin objections stem from the belief that as a double negative it’s misused in English. However it’s a false assumption, and is actually wrong; since double negatives only apply to mathematics not grammar. In written and spoken English they’re just considered colloquial speech. Right-click spell-checkers aren’t infallible after all, that’s why it’s called a spelling “suggestion.”
Xander Byson merely proves that while any old monkey with a keyboard can believe he is intelligent, he himself is plainly not.
How Bout the Ne Xbox 360Slim? Red Rig is obsolete. The integrated WIFI! The Hardrive the new Sleek Look. This Article definably needs to be revised.
Wow, I didn’t think it would be such a big deal. Why do people get so offended when their grammar or spelling is corrected? I never quite understood that. I was just trying to help, I didn’t realize I was being a douche. Anyways, to those who think it is, irregardless is not a word. Want me to go into why?
What was wrong with my grammar in my first post?
I guess I could have started any one of my posts with “I liked your article”, which I did.
I still dont know wat to buy, I want something reliable and will play serieses downloaded from net on to a external hard drive… Please help
heyyszzz
what about the new xbox slim that has an integrated wifi and a very quite performance
also the KINECT project from microsoft
so please make another article that includes these very huge updates
august 2010 at the moment. I read the whole article including the Conclusion.
I think some essential parts weren’t included, the conclusion is just hasty and only looked from 1 side (I would almost say an XBox Fanboy but we ain’t talking about those anymore lol)
The XBox has better online play? I lolled at this IRL because pretty much the only Xbox-only game that is played online atm is Halo 3. You also need to pay membership to play online (lol just like paying for ADSL isn’t enough). Microsoft is only exploiting cash from this.
As for the ‘Achievement Whore’: I agree that the Xbox has nice custom avatars and stuff, (do you pay those avatar clothes with real cash or with achievement points?) but still: there are a lot of trophies for PS3 too. Conclusion: consoles are equal on this subject.
Anyways I owe a PS3 myself (just because I had the cash and I loved the sound of ‘only paying once’ instead of paying XBL membership every month.
Just had to put this off my chest :D
Where’s the next article? E3′s gone, & so has Gamescom.
I too am wondering.
Carl, you’re probably the only guy on the whole Internet capable of writing a professional article on the matter without it being completely full of biased bullshit.
Though honestly I think it might be best to wait til the end of the year as some of the big guns are being pulled in the next few months…
Otherwise you’ll get people harping on about no mention of things like Kinect, Move, GT etc despite them not being around now.
Lmao, how do brag about having cash to afford the PS3 but complain about paying for xbox live? C’mon baller… 360 is good for games lik Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption, etc. PS3 is good for Madden, and other sport games. Case closed.
@e2unes,
Strange that I remember playing & enjoying play Red Dead Redemption on my PS3, & I’m sarcastically sure that Call of Duty is on the PS3 as well. I’m also quite convinced that you can play Madden, & other sports games on the 360. Not quite as case closed as you make out.
@Flamedog
I don’t have a problem with PS3 online gaming, it’s perfectly serviceable, & the fact that it’s free is a bonus in my opinion. The other side of that coin is that Cross Game Chat, & Party Chat aren’t available on the PS3, & this makes the social aspect of gaming on the 360 easier to deal with & more appealing. It’s just a personal opinion if you think that paying for these extras is worth it to you or not.
Hi There,
I have had the PS 3 60gb, since it was available to buy a couple years back, when the ps3 came it out, i thought it was going to blow me away, so far i have been very dissapointed with the amount of games that i enjoy playing actually available for the ps3, i lov e games like call of duty, pro evo, fifa, racing games, to name a few, but once i go out buy your call of duty your pro evo, there is not much else out there, i want to buy and this limits me to maybe 3 or 4 games per year, i saw a clip for the new halo game for x box, and was blown away by it, it looks awesome, and the reason i found this website was looking up the pros and cons for each machine, im also amazed at the games i would love to play readily available for the xbox, however through reading this website i came accross a game called killzone 2 after looking at reviews this also looks amazing and will be going out tomorrow to get it, as you can prob tell im not a big gamer through working and looking after my sick daughter, but when i do get time, it would be nice to have a good collection of games to have in my collection to choose from, i see the store game are doing a pre owned xbox 120gb with red dead redemption for £120 and seriously thinkng of going out and getting it, i would like to thank the author of this article for the very good info on both machines.
yeah you would be right. i was never much of a fan of the halo multiplayer part, only the campaigns. but reach haS blown me away. it is very addictive. it has hundreds of hours on end of commendations to complete, weekly challenges, awesome achievements and not to mention avatar awards ( helmets for your avatar).
i personally think halo reach is the funnest shooter. well, at least shits all over that crappy cod shit anyways. havnt played something nearly as enjoyable since gears of war (1) or killzone 2.
the halo series is average although reach is intensely playable and probably the only new 360 title i consistently play since i got my xbox back a month ago.
however since it;s release i am non stop on MAG, it’s clan system, teamwork necessity and awesome gameplay make it a legend in my gaming world, to hell with COD/MW, if you want an enjoyable absorbing FPS with brains then get MAG, get in a clan and enjoy all it has to offer
What side are you?
The mighty SVER for me. ;)
sorry silver in my delay in responding.
i started with raven and have chosen to stick with them, we had bad times and then we started to dominate but now it’s gone back to the bad ole days LOL
actually the clan i was in (PHI) have all but abandoned the game after the patch 2.0 and all the problems it had, freezing, lag and the introduction of op shotguns and OHK sniper rifles made the game more of a chore than actual fun and the dropping of the proposed clan wars meant 99% of games resulted in us pushing randoms back to the spawn forcing the other team to rage quit.
it had lost all semblance of competition recently, it’s all too easy to play against lower level players and finish games 40-2 or something ridiculous but it’s repetitive, clan wars would have made the game legendary but for some reason they won’t include it.
Have they sorted out the team balancing on MAG yet? I heard that SVER had some sort of advantage & that’s why everybody picked them. I read that it was causing problems getting into a match as SVER always won.
Just curious – it’s one of those game I might try, but probably not. I’m currently getting right into BFBC2 anyway. Loving that game – feels much more better to play than MW2.
Have they sorted out the team balancing on MAG yet? I heard that SVER had some sort of advantage & that’s why everybody picked them. I read that it was causing problems getting into a match as SVER always won.
Just curious – it’s one of those game I might try, but probably not. I’m currently getting right into BFBC2 anyway. Loving that game – feels much more better to play than MW2.
PS, Is this thread still going?
Bloody double posting?
yeah, at the start sver’s weapons were seriously overpowered, basically it was a 2 shot kill with them and they had seriously imbalanced maps but they have done something to rectify it, ravens domination map was very hard to defend as they had no roofs over the respawn area meaning any enemy platoon leader could get countless cheap kills by directing his airstrikes or artillery straight into it, thankfully zipper the creators actually listened to concerns and have tried to improve stuff with numerous patches and kudos to them for having the best game support in existence.
BFBC2 is a good game but MAG has the bigger maps and who can argue against a 246 player battle royale
Wtsup ppl… first of all i want to say PS3 RoCks my world and XBox 360 KiCkS AsS… Both consoles are good in their own way… I own both and a few more, so I can say Xbox 360 has a bit more of the graphical side.. but I still think PS3 has better perfromance wise than the XBox 360. Microsoft is releasing a new Xbox called XBox 720, but google it and you will find out it will release in the year 2015. On the other hand, Sony is releasing the PS4 in 2011, PS5 in 2013 and PS6 in 2015.. Your choice on what you wan’t to buy. Neither of them have GOD like features.. maybe except the PS3 having Bluray (which is actually dominating the movie technology world).. Both consoles have fantastic game like; PS3′s KILLZONE 2, GOD OF WAR 3 (Insane game) and Infamous and Uncharted, Heavy Rain and last but not the least Gran Turismo 5… On the other hand.. Xbox 360 has one of the best game HALO, it has GEARS OF WAR, Forza and MASS EFFECT.. all good games… but for me, it fells more confortable playing a PS3 game, its relaxing, controller is great (Dula Shock 3 Sixaxis).. Either way.. they both are great consoles.. If I had to recommend you a console.. I would definetely said a PS3. Not being bias or anything, I can’t be, beacause I own a PS3, Xbox, PSP, PS2, lol a PS1… (Wii is pretty boring, don’t have but played) and a Nintendo DS…(its good). Quite a few birthday gifts.. :) I play both Xbox and PS3 about the same amount of times… and they both rOcK, but PS3 is ever so slightly better..but that comes down to if you’re a PS fan or Xbox fan.. Anyways, hope this helped..
The wii is fun if you get the right games like any Nintendo game or resident evil 4 are all very great choices Mario Galaxy 2 is god like and for the PS3 Uncharted is one of the best games I’ve ever played and Halo is probably one of the most overrated games ever. Not that its bad it just isn’t a masterpiece like the reviews say. The Move is very good and it is very versatile just like the Wii, however the Kinect cannot be used in many different games. I have to go with the PS3 because it has Blue-Ray, NetFlix which means the statement in the article is no longer valid, it also has less wireless interference thats why at street fighter tourneys they use PS3 instead of X-360. It made me mad when X-box versus PS3 one year after came out it said uncharted got a 88 when it got a 91 on ign.com while that motocross game got a 90 in the article
Sorry about the spelling mistakes and the grammar.. I was in a rush there..lol
Thank you! I will get a 360 for sure!!
yeah xbox is good. but so is ps3. halo reach online is addictive, even if you didnt like other halo gam es multiplayer ( like me). just got ultimate ninja storm to on xbox 360, its on ps3 as well. ( the first was only on ps3). should get to play it tonight.
and borderlands goty edition comes out in a couple of days to, so both consoles are having a good time. sorry for the bad writing, but just so excited.
and the stuff about ps4, ps5, ps6 and xbox 720 crap is false. people just make shit that they think will come out. the only reliable source is sony and microsoft.
First, irregardless is a word. It is not a commonly used word, nor is it generally accepted as proper grammar, but it is technically a word. Second, most people say it’s not a word because it’s uses the prefix ir- and the suffix -less in the same word.
Third, Xander Byson, your first sentence in your first post was a run-on sentence. In other words, you-who-corrects-all-grammar made a grammatical error.
Fourth, this was a very well written article. I must say, however, I enjoyed the first two articles more than this one.
thanks for the article it really helped me make a decision
Can someone give me a bit of advice? We have a wii and DSi, my son wants either an xbox or ps3 for xmas & i’m pretty clueless! Some of his friends have xbox and he likes the idea of being able to play games against them while they are all at their own houses (so do i!) and also talk to them as well (is that right?). However nephew has ps3 & now he thinks he’d prefer that as they are going to set up a football league (apparantly!). My main questions are – xbox seems cheaper than ps3 but I know we have to buy extras so they can talk and play to other ‘machines’ and also you have to pay annual subscription – is that right? If you buy a ps3 is that it, or do you still have to buy extras for that as well if they want to be able to interact with other machines? On ps3 can they actually talk to each other, or how do they communicate? having skimmed some of the comments above it seems that some people think that its easier to play with others on xbox than ps3 – is that right?
Thanks in advance for any help!
With the new XBox 360 slim in my opinion they are both pretty much the same now it really just depends on what games you or your son likes to play. It is true however that the XBox 360 is considered by many including myself to have a better online service the new XBox 360 slim comes with a 250 GB HDD a built in 802.11n wireless network adapter that I believe is backwards compatible with 802.11 g/b. In fact the only thing that the PS3 may have over the XBox 360 now is that the PS3 plays Blu-ray and it may be something you may want to look into if you and your kid are into High Definition Movies. Basically the new XBox 360 slim pretty much comes XBox Live ready right out of the box whether your using Wireless or Ethernet and yes like sav0))) said you do have to pay for XBox Live 8.99 for a month 19.99 for 3 months and 49.99 for a year but that may have changed I’m not sure.
yes you have to pay a yearly subscription for the privilege of playing on xbox but many see it as superior to the ps, why this is so remains a mystery only dedicated xbox fanboys can answer, you can do all on the ps3 that the xbox can apart from cross game chat where people playing different games to each other can party up and still communicate.
the ps3 has a great free online service and is probably more reliable than the xbox but the xbox is more catered towards the younger generation.
you also get a free headset with the 360, the ps3 does not supply one but they are relatively cheap for basic models. the 360 controller also requires batteries which tend to drain after excessive playing, the ps3 one is rechargeable through the system but you can buy an additional charging pack for the 360.
if all his friends have one then he’s probably better getting the 360.
there is not much of a difference in price these days anyway, the ps3 may be slightly more expensive due to the in built blu-ray player and is more aesthetically pleasing to look at LOL
thank you so much for that
considering the only xbox 360 you seem to be able to buy these days is the slim, i would have thought that most people would agree that it looked way more stylish than the ps3. i always said the ps3 looked cooler, even than the elites, but the slim smacks it down hands down in my opinion.
considering your son isnt going to take advantage of the ps3′s exclusives, you may as well get the xbox. it is cheaper, but you do have top pay for live. you can get a 12 month off ebay for AU$50 on ebay.
well one thing both console gamers can share is that we both get reemed from behind when it comes to dlc. all i can say is that ps3 is lucky they didnt get halo wars. halo reach is already bringing out 3 maps at the end of november for 800msp. well, should i say 1000? i mean, m$ do hold on to your money in a sense.
also, i know at least on of the upcoming maps for halo reach was seen in a picture about 2 months prior to halo reach’s release. dlc is getting out of control, especially for shooters and ME2 wasnt that great either. Borderlands had a couple goodies, and at least they have dropped their price.
The best dlc deal i can think of is gears 1 ( both map packs are free, and were about 1 year after the games release or less) and gears 2 ( 400msp for 19 maps and a new campaign plus loads of achievements.)
a lot of dlc you pay for is patch material, and developers know they can milk everytghing for what its worth.
for instance, right now the australian dollar went above parity with the u.s dollar. so while you guys in the U.S pay $60 for a game or so, we in australia still have to pay $100.
for instance, halo reach limited edition was $130 everywhere i looked over here, how much did you guys pay? our dollar was still very good as well. the standard was $120 everywhere until target and the supermarkets got it at the last minute for $80 bucks standard.
Australia sure does get reemed.
im not saying people in the U.S shouldnt get it for the price they are paying, just that countries with a similar dollar should have it at or around the price.
Import, dude.
Show the bastards we’ll buy our games for half price from the UK if they don’t drop their prices.
Sucks that we can’t import DLC without possible problems though.
I’ve been searching the web for comparison articles. I’m subjectively looking for someone to convince me that PSN is good enough and Xbox Live costs too much. Between Live raising their price, Rockband gouging me to update DLC I already have, and so many games coming out half finished or extremely short, I’m feeling wallet raped. I want great online gaming, but I want a fair shake. Doesn’t appear you can get both. I guess I just need a condom.
oh i thought xbox 360 slims had better wireless now ( wireless ‘n’ as apposed to wireless’g').
the reason they would use a ps3 for the tourneys is because the xbox 360 d-pad is almost as bad as the ds lites, possibly worse.
yes halo is overrated, though i didnt like any other halo games online play i thought reach’s to be quite fun. if you want an overrated game try call of duty or gta4 ( both are good games, or great games if you will, but definately overrated. though i wouldnt dare say that about cod in front of their fans { mostly 10 years olds kids} or else id have enough poorly spelt trash mail to last me 10 lifetimes)
seems every game these days is slowly being taken over by those little bastards. just look at halo as well, its just that they took over cod first. next will be gears 3 or killzone 3…………………………………AAARRRGRGGHHHHHHHH
yeh xbox games usually always outsell ps3 games, but that doesnt make em better. look at call of duty for example, it may sell a butload, but i can think of a hundred games better than it in my opinion.
right now, i can get 4 xbox live 12 months for $75 and it comes with 800msp. its on the xbox 360 dashboard and im a member so its cheaper. only thing is it is four 12 months for 4 seperate accounts, so really they are just luring the family in, with kinect just coming out and all.
apparently kinect hasnt failed like many people anticipated, though im still not interested. it may be fun, but for $200 im not that sold. ps3 move seems to be a better fit for me as it is good for fps, and they plan to use it for fps. i just dont see how kinect can work with it.
I’m sorry I would have to disagree with you on that but maybe thats because I love XBox the only game on the XBox 360 that makes me drool is Final Fantasy XIV but thats probably because I love MMORPG’s and I love the Final Fantasy Series but I’m also a Halo fanatic I love Gears of War pretty much most XBox 360 exclusives make me drool
It still feels like the author is stretching to stay objective on some points. Comparing pricing is apples to oranges when only one comes with the only HD format, not to mention the games come in the same format which holds much more data, and has to come in to play for 3D gaming quality. Buy an Xbox and separate Blu Ray player and then you get a better price comparison. Also, maybe it’s because I never cared about achievements, but I never understood the fuss about how much better it was to pay for Live vs free PSN. Lastly, a rechargeable controller vs regular batteries is major to me, and also a factor in comparing pricing. it’s like having to put consumable batteries in your smart phone or tablet computer, what a haste and extra cost. PS3 always was technologically superior on a number of levels. If only, dare I say lazy, developers stopped porting games and made them to take advantage of PS3 massive disc size and core structure instead. Tired of the sloppy seconds from xbox which are limited by default and of course don’t work as good. Like watching standard def on an HD, it doesn’t look as good as standard def on a standard tv.
sorry I meant the only game on the PS3 that makes me drool is Final Fantasy XIV
killzone 2 is a fantastic game but online it is a beast to master, halo is very friendly to the younger population the 360 tends to attract but high sales rarely mean a better game, back on the ps1 the main selling game was metal gear solid but a game which was far superior and a better game all round was syphon filter which failed to sell anyway near as much as MGS
another thing you have to consider though is it’s really up to the user on which game they like better you will probably get hundreds of thousands of people saying they prefer Halo to Killzone on the other hand you will probably get the same amount of people saying they prefer Killzone to Halo by the way I loved Metal Gear Solid and I also I’m not entirely sure on this one but I think Final Fantasy VII sold more copies than Metal Gear Solid
i’m not into the whole RPG thing myself but i can appreciate the beauty of the final fantasy series.
i thought killzone 2 was a masterclass in game design, from the stunning graphics to the brutal multiplayer to the AI in the campaign and the only similar game i enjoy as much is the gears of war series.
unrelated but i recall someone telling me once that killzone was a gears of war rip off which was bizarre seeing as killzone appeared a full year before the xbox was even released LOL.
anyway, i’m not a fan of halo whatsoever, i don’t know what put me off the game originally but i never really “got into it”, i tried halo reach and it’s a great game but it’s not something i’d class as an absolute classic.
people will ultimately decide on their chosen console based on games and the library of games available, it was the main decision of me getting a 360. i wanted to play the older games unavailable on the PS3 and of course play gears of war, i’m lucky enough to have both consoles but sometimes i’m in a dilemma when a new game arrives, take COD black ops, the clan i’m involved in is primarily PS3 owing to our time on MAG and when we decided that MAG had run it’s course and the developers began nerfing it we needed a stop gap before KZ3, nearly all my actual real life friends have the 360 so i bought it for that, then my clan members began playing it so i ended up buying it for the PS3 too which was hard on the old pocket in these times of financial meltdown..LOL
as for the game there is no difference between them, no mythical fanboy assertions that it’s better on the 360 or vice versa but i will say that the 360 has a superior party system but is the yearly subscription worth paying for just that?
yeah whoever told you Killzone was a Gears of War rip off is A: a fan boy to the extreme and B: doesn’t know what they are talking about the original Killzone came out on the PS2 back when the three consoles of choice were the XBox, the Playstation 2, and the Nintendo Gamecube. Gears of War came out on the XBox 360 and until Gears of War came out Halo 2 was the most played game on XBox Live then Gears of War took that spot.
For me Xbox Live is better due to how deeply it’s integrated into the GUI and how it works uniformly with all games.
PSN will do the job most of the time, but anyone who’s used both and can remain subjective will note XBL is a higher quality service. And this coming from a guy whose Gold expired and whose 360 is currently packed away. But that’s as I’ve gotten a little sick of most multiplayer only really playing MAG online every so often and Castle Crashers, Scott Pilgrim and Shank co-op with mates. I couldn’t justify paying XBL prices when I’m lucky to be playing online once or twice a week…
The way I see it, if you have to choose you should get whichever one has the games you’d rather play – though both have most better titles they each have exclusives which are great and if there’s an equal amount, look at your online gaming habits. If you never really play online, what good is XBL Gold going to do you? If you play heavily, aren’t the better integration of XBL Gold and the couple extra features gonna be worth paying a premium?
Though for a couple years the 360 had the PS3 beat for games, both now have very respectable libraries (the amount on the PS3 in the last year or so was staggering) and you as a gamer can’t really lose no matter which you choose.
i only use the xbox for online hence my low achievement score, it’s 3000 i think LOL
eh thats ok its what you prefer I just never got into the PS3 library of games and I’m not really a person to care alot about gamerscore I just care about getting achievements sometimes and playing the game
yeh probs just angry killzone 2 had better graphics. that being said, none of them copied one another. ones a 3rd person, ones a 1st.
though i do prefer gears 1 over anything, not that its the only game i play, just that it has that effect on some people, no matter how new a game an old one can be better. multiplayer is addictive.
gears 2 wasnt anything special online, though i did do good at it.
hows about gt5? cant wait to see the gt5 to forza 3 comparisons. forza 3 should look like need for speed compared to it.
it was funny how people laughed at the ps3′s game library 2 years back ( myself included), now look at it. in late 2008 onwards it soared and now it is at least equal to the 360′s if not better. i prefer fable over final fantasy, but then halo 3 online was bland so i thought killzone and resistance pwned it.
now its whatever games you like to decide on consoles if you dont get both………
xbox games can be played in hd, all of them, plus whether you like it all not, most multi-platform games in the past were better on the xbox. even today they are either at parity or xbox is better in some cases, except for final fantasy 13.
this whole article is almost 2 years old, so 3D wasnt relevant to this article.
considering the fact that both play games the same, the ps3 isnt technoligically as superior as it used to be. the slim xbox has wireless ‘n’ instead of ‘g’. the only thing i can think of hardware wise is that sony has blu-ray. they are pretty much the same to most people.
if you judge a console on its hardware that is a big mistake. they arent computers so you should really judge on the games.
Xbox games come on DVD though, so if games were developed advanced enough on a Blu-ray disc, it would not port over or support full HD with xbox.
I agree on your multi platform point, obviously a game developed for xbox will perform better on xbox. i.e. Standard def format performs better on standard def tv than standard def on hd tv. I long for more developers taking advantage of PS3′s superior potential.
Blu-ray has always been a major hardware factor and advantage, especially when discussing price. They are run by the same components as computers essentially, just configured specifically for video gaming, but PS3 has pushed the all around entertainment console concept.
You do realise the only advantage a blu ray disc has is higher capacity, right? To port games over they just need several DVDs supposing the game even uses more memory than a blu ray disc. Kinda like CD to DVD in PC games – there was a period where some games had a CD or a DVD version back when DVD was still newer. Same game, just different number of discs.
And then we see the huge disadvantage of the blu ray player on the PS3. The read speeds. Unless a disc is ‘optimised’ you will quite often be forced to install data. Which is easy enough, but my point is the PS3′s blu ray player isn’t really as important as you make it sound.
To port games over they just need several DVDs supposing the game even uses more memory than a single DVD disc.*
I blame all the booze I had last night. :D
Sorry but I would have to agree with Silver on this one. The only real advantage of Blu-ray over DVD is the fact that Blu-ray can hold more information and as for porting a game over to the PS3 you would need more than just extra DVDs. You would most likely need to alter your source good a fair amount in order to get it to work on the new platform
U don’t need blu ray for 3d both are still able to use it black opps can be played in 3d on both consoles also if disk space is a problem devs can just use more discs on the xbox and utilise the hdd a bit more
So, I’m a little pissed!
I have owned 2 xbox consoles… ring of death on both… and now I have nothing. Yes I can get them repaired but it’s not worth it! I pay R800 for the fix and R2500 for the console. (Sorry I’m from South Africa and we work in rand)
Yes I can get the PS3 and enjoy the blue-ray dvd’s… but what do I do then with my blue-ray dvd player? Yes the xbox is unreliable, very, but is the new console the same… and if I buy a PS3, what am I going to do with all my games and hard drive.
PS3 is cool… but what can you really do on a PS3 that you can’t do on a xbox…
Both consoles do online, play movies, games, store music, and piss your dad off!
PS. My spelling and grammar sucks… don’t judge me!
LOL we’ll not judge you on lack of grammar.
if you find the xbox has continuousness unreliability then why not jump to the ps3, they play the same games, (exclusives aside) and do the same things.
some people are unlucky with their xbox, some people are unlucky with PS3′s but overall the ps3 is regarded as the more reliable console
you could either buy a slim 360 or ps3. my brother refuses to buy an xbox because he thinks he’ll play it too much and it’ll burn out.
also, if microsofts customer service and all is crap over in south africa, then dont give them your money. if you feel you’ve been ripped off by them ( by any means i think you have ) then dont give them the business they so vigorously feed on.
are the services on the ps3 and 360 equal over there?ex. if your in japan you would get a ps3 because the service is absolute and you get everything.
in Australia unfortunately we are the scrotom of the gaming world. we just get scratced now and again but never get much attention.
Cool, so PS3 is! thx
“To the batmobile!”
im wrighting a paper on which is better for my college speech class and wow thanks this article and all really helped. lol i love how the posts helped almost more than the article.
Thanks for this information this is going to help me with my debate!!
are in xbox live more players than in playstation network??
No.There are like 3,000 more PSN users.Just google it.
there are more people on xbox live than ps3 besides, microsoft and sony made a psn/xbox live connector which allows you to play on both networks from one system ^.^ the only problem is that it cost $3000 but shit its better than playing on just one network
this is a really old artical playstation has uped its game in many many ways now they have a ton of “retro” games and the psn has be totaly redefined you should right a new artical
not very much, only like 10 really :/
Hello!You should really make a new articel now when move and kinect is out !
yeh this is old. WRITE a new one. btw, the xbox has gotten new games to.
So looks like 360 is more powerful? Ive been searching everwhere for articles comparing.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
http://www.pvcmuseum.com/games/vs/ps3-vs-xbox-360-gpu-specs.htm
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-call-of-duty-black-ops-faceoff
http://www.examiner.com/las-cruces-xbox-live-in-albuquerque/xbox-360-better-than-ps3-part-one-hardware
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even if that were true, the 2 best looking games on the consoles are both ps3 exclusives-( uncharted 2 and killzone 2).
crysis 2 will be out soon, which looks a lot better than killzone 2, though killzone 3 is just around the corner, so comparisons should be between those 2.
also uncharted 3 comes out this year………………………………
so hard to decide whether i should buy bulletstorm for the xbox 360 or the ps3.
every site is biased. i saw one where the ps3 pics looked like next gen compared to the 360 ones. i know it is definately biased, as it was the biggest difference i have ever seen. i got the demo for my 360 and on my brothers ps3 and there was no real difference at all, other than the loud droning noise of my 360. the demo itself is not enough to compare the two. i want the smoother one though.
but what really annoys me is the sites that claim screenshots were shot at the same definition with the same everything, but one always looks like its 2 years ahead in graphics. dumbasses who think they are helping people decide are just trying to push their views……………
I played the demos of both versions and they seem to be pretty much on par. If I was being really picky, it seems like the 360 version looks a bit smoother (AA maybe?) but the PS3 version looks… crispier? Not sure how to describe it…
I’m completely unsure which version I’ll get at this point.
hmmm. i know. i’ll show you the comparisons i saw that are on every damn site i go to. whoever did the comparisons put it on every site i can think of. here are the pictures i saw:
here is the link with 12 pics comparing the two consoles:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=655079
as you will notice the ps3 version looks ten times better. everything is much more detailed. doesnt have the blur the xbox 360 version seems to have ( i didnt get a blur when i played it on 360 ).
the lighting effects are very crisp on the ps3 as well. sharp as hell.
Haha nice way to reverse things.. In actual gameplay the ps3 has the lagg and blur, 360 has smooth, crisp HD graphics and no lagg or blur when moving at high speed.. The PS3 being supposely so “powerful” seems to not be able to keep up with the frames.. I suggest you buy a sludge hammer and tagg it “XBOX 360″ and crush the PS3.. That shows 360 dominates
sigh, i had thought that the M$ fanboys had matured and resisted posting such drivel here, i’m sure bill gates appreciates your defence of his console lorenzo
well look here all those arrogant fucks who said the xbox 360 couldnt take killzone 2′s graphics. this includes one of the most arrogant fag companies guerrilla games. i enjoyed the first killzone, and the second, but the arrogance of guerrilla games really pissed me off. i own an xbox, ( barely use only for gears ) a ps3 and a pc.
guerrilla games claimed killzone 2 would be bigger than crysis. ummm, no im sorry. how about a bit more merit as a company before you make these claims. of course they have merit now since killzone 2 and upcoming killzone 2.
the author for crysis is also very fucking arrogant, but at least crytek has shit loads of merit as graphic kings.
well, crysis 2 looks better than killzone 2 on a grphical level, which is also on the xbox 360, so what does that say about them arrogant fags??
it means they havnt played games long enough. probably little fag teenagers who never played the old nintendo consoles.
i still will purchase killzone 3, just because i hate the developer doesnt mean i wont play their games. afterall, i hate microsoft but i still have their console…………………
well now apparently the pictures were phony. now people are saying, and i quote from one particular person:
“Frame rate is worse. (on the ps3)
There’s more tearing. (on the ps3)
PS3′s missing volumetric lighting.
…and the shadow resolution is lower on PS3″
well, i am now officially getting both verions. i doubt all of that could be true, just as the early images werent. i will compare the two.
this is looking like another flip flop red dead redemption comparison. i know that a lot of people said the 360 version was better, but i actually thought the ps3 version felt smoother and just better.
@dingdong
I wouldn’t be suprised in the slightest if the PS3 version of Crysis 2 ends up being worse in almost every way (by just a tiny amount). They usually are, but it won’t be any less playable for it.
Crytek have actually stated that the two versions will be identical & you won’t be able to tell the difference. I find this hard to believe as they will be the first 3rd party developer to manage it, if they can actually pull it off. There’s always differences, even if they aren’t better or worse than the other one.
@kaden.
yeh i heard the ps3 version was supposed to be better. either way one or the other will be a bit better whereas the pc version will be the benchmark for graphics, i still think the original holds that at the moment.
pictures on the net dont mean much. for instance there was a particular comparison between gears of war 3 and kjillzone 3′s graphics ( i know one is a 3rd and ones a 1st ) and i was suprised how good gears 3 actually looks. the gears 3 pics looked even better than the kilzone 3 pics, BUT, i think everyone knows killzone 3 will set the benchmark for console graphics. both look stunning. so does resistance 3, massive improvement.
games im most looking forward to this year:
1.Gears of war 3 ( gears has been my favourite franchise this generation)
2. The darkness 2 ( i just love the 1st ones EPIC story and brutal executions)
3.Killzone 3. ( gears and killzone go together like waffles and syrup )
4. Bulletstorm ( 1st person gears on steroids )
5. Resistance 3 ( MASSIVE improvement from the second plus co-op is back)
6. Uncharted 3 ( what can i say……. maybe this will be benchmark )
7. Prey 2 ( like the darkness, had an epic story )
8. inFAMOUS 2 ( crazy must have ps3 game )
im sorry ill stop it there. some of them up there are in equal positions, so not all are in order. im also looking forward to Crysis 2, Brink, Rage and, well there are many more but some are for pc. forza 4??
this year is the biggest, especially for the ps3 imo. id recommend anyone with just an xbox to get one.
why are there so many graphics comparisons these days? i love the idead of them, but sometimes 2 completely different games shouldnt be compared.
another rule, dont compare console games to crysis.
comparing console games to crysis is an insult to pc gamers, which i can kinda understand, but it also makes console gamers look like complete idiots. games like uncharted 3, killzone 3, gears of war 3 and resistance 3 are being compared to crysis 2!!! the funniest one ive sen is halo reach compared to crysis.
i dont think there is a game on the consoles that looks better or even on par with the original crysis. let alone the second. crysis 2 on console will not look as good as killzone 3 or uncharted 3, though the pc version will beat them, no doubt. crysis 1 on pc looks better than crysis 2 on consoles.
on top of that, i know im getting crysis 2 on pc, and on one of the consolees as well, but other thasn graphics, i dont think it would be better than games like bulletstorm, gears 3, killzone 3 or resistance 3. the console exclusives this year are epic, both in numbers and quality. well, the 360 has far less exclusives, and only one major one i think. prey 2 is an exclusive but isnt exactly that bi. although im getting that. this year will be the biggest spending on games for me on record, the same as many people.
oh and SKYRIM!!
The problem is that people want to justify what they paid good money for by wanting it to be better than the alternatives. They also don’t like it when a multiplatform game is better on the other console.
As a PS3 owner, I kind of get it – 3rd party developers still aren’t programming for the PS3 properly, & a straight 360 port will never be as good because if your going to ignore the SPU’s & go for straight CPU & GPU horsepower the 360 is going to have a better framerate, & higher textures every time. If you’re paying the same money for a game & it’s inferior you might be a little bit ticked off……but
….., the vast majority of games are so close that it’s hardly worth bitching about anyway, & you should just enjoy what you’ve got. Things like Black Ops I can understand more, not so much because of graphical differences, but iffy framerates (on a twitch shooter!?!), & dodgy online component do not make a happy crowd.
I agree with you that technically, you won’t beat a PC for graphics. All that extra RAM, & the graphics cards that are out now make my old HD3870 seem like an antique, but there’s something satisfying about slouching in my armchair in front of a 40″ TV with a dualshock. Also, KZ2 & Uncharted 2 do look the nuts. When I’m that into a game I don’t care that it doesn’t “technically” look as good as Crysis on the PC. Especially when I thought Crysis was a bit meh to play. Far Cry was a much better game.
Also, there’s been a lot of shitty console>PC ports in the last few years that really don’t make any use out of that extra power. Prototype on the PC was an absolute travesty. Ugly as sin, & not much of a framerate considering.
There are always going to be good & bad examples, & exclusives on all platforms are going to be where the technology shines.
Apart from Gears of War 3 (don’t have a 360), Prey 2, & the darkness 2, I’m with you on the rest of that list. Kind of enjoyed the Darkness, but not enough to ever play more than once, & I may pick the 2nd one up once it’s gone cheap. Played the first Prey on PC, & I could take it or leave it.
First I’ve got to finish with Castlevania:LOS, Fallout:NV, Sim 3, & buy LBP2, & Dead Space 2. Maybe then can I look forward to the others. Although KZ3 may get a priority place.
It’s a good time to be a gamer.
yeh i agree with everything u said.
once a game looks as good as kz2 or uc2, it doesnt matter if it looks as good as crysis.
also, playing a console in front of a hdtv thats like 40inch, relaxing in a chair is much better than the bad posture ppl normally have when playing pc.
and when i said prey 2 and the darkness 2, it wasnt meant as those epic games everyone wants. prey and the darkness were pretty small , not many people followed them. sort of like the 1st killzone. i was just happy i was one of few that like those 3 games.
i think gears of war fans, ( the loyal ones who played the 1st ones online to bits ) have a genuine respect for killzone 2. they both require skill. COD is a game you can pick up and play, no matter what age. it is really easy to adjust to. gears of war took quite a while to get the hang of, thats why not many people played it compared to halo or cod. just like killzone.
they are both heavy games. the movement of both of them is so solid. especially in killzone 2, the weapons made you feel like you were unstoppable. they were so heavy, it was like you knew no-one wanted too screw with you, and if they did, they would be torn up. hahah
So am I the only one who favors a 32″ full HD display over a 40″+? I just find same resolution, a bit smaller (still nice and big though) gives me amazing picture quality.
Mr. Carl, are you ever going to write a 3 Years Later article?
well at my house i have a 55inch samsung LED, which cannot be touched. a 42inch LG LCD which i usually use first when i buy a new game, or splitscreen with my brother/s.
the tv i most use is in my room, a 32inch Samsung LCD, which has better picture quality and resolution than the 42inch LCD. as i dont have any couches in my room, just barely cushioned chairs, i like lounging about in my family room at midnight on a very comfortable couch.
other than that, yeh the smaller LCD’s, if it’s a good brand have better picture quality and response time than the mkid range, unless you spend 4 grands on a rolls royce………………..
my brother is picking up killzone 3 today after work.
meh so i was utterly dissapointed. my birthday is on the 22nd ( yesterday ) and the U.S release of killzone 3 is coincidently on the 22nd. my brother was supposed to get it from an anonymous friend who works at **somewhere**.
the idea was to get the promotional copy of it off his friend, who is a manager and then give it back to him on the 24th, when we get it for real.
well, conveniently he wasnt at work for some reason ( probably glued to his tv playing it ).
i know i shouldnt complain, because the rest of you have to wait to. i was just very excited.
i got to play darksiders 2 weeks before it came out to. oh well, i got $250 from my parents, so bulletstorm is easily covered. so is my half of killzone 3.
i think the rest is for my half of uc 3 and resistance 3. untill i borrow more money for other games, or withdraw from my bank.
we have to wait until the 25th for release which is strange for a game made in europe :(
the clan i’m in will all have it today and will be well levelled up by the time i get it
Having played the demo of KZ3, I’m really glad they just tightened up the controls & didn’t completely remove the weighty feel. I know a lot of people bitched about it, but we’ve got plenty of twitch shooters out there. It’s nice to have something that feels a bit more grounded. Still thinking about getting Dead Space 2. Was waiting for it to come down in price, but see you can now pick it up the under £25. Definitely worth the money. The first one was awesome.
Unfortunately, I had to strip my PS3 right down to the bare bones last Friday. Couldn’t put up with the noise any longer. Couldn’t watch anything, or play any game without the fan screaming at you. Especially Castlevania. When did consoles get so noisy? After nearly 2 & a half years of abuse, it had finally succumbed to dust. A proper spring clean, some new thermal compound, & it’s as quiet as the day I took it out of the box. At least I’ll be able to enjoy all those glorious death sounds that KZ3 is going to throw at me now. Fingers crossed it lasts another 2 years before I have to do that again. It’s not a 60GB, there’s always hope.
yeh just like bulletstorm. i dont care if people bitch about a game, as long as it is due. when a game tries to do something other than copy CoD ( which copied rainbow six, at least the more futuristic part but they didnt copy the part that required skill, the cover system) they get slammed for it.
for instance, ” OMG Killzone 3 is exactly the same as da secEND”. though those same people probably play call of duty which hasnt changed a bit in a decade. not that it isnt fun, just pisses me off when CoD is given so much credit, mainly due to its large fanbase, when games like killzone 2 are ONLY praised for their excellent graphics. i thought absolutely everything about killzone was better than CoD.
again, halo may not have changed much, but dont bitch about that if your gonna start “PWNING” 12 year old foul mouthed derelict kids in CoD.
oh and please, if any 12 year olds find their way to this site, i have played call of duty, just havnt been brainwashed into its reptitive bullcrap. i dont buy games because OTHER people like them.
tonight i will be playing Tactics Ogre- The Knight Of Lodis on my gba emulator.
killzone 3 and bulletstorm first thing in the morning. i havnt been this excited since gears of war 2 ( though i have no doubt killzone 3 will be better).
suprisingly, killzone didnt get a score in the 90′s, though i dont read into that crap anyways.
**my only complaint about killzone 3 is its graphics……………… they are too freaking good. i strongly suggest getting the playstation move sharp shooter.
it looks epic. killzone 3 with the sharphooter will probably be my most enjoyable moment in a game so far.
I’ve got Move, but I haven’t got a navigation controller (it’s a PS nunchuk, let’s be fair). Tempted to get one so that I can try out KZ3 properly with Move.
I played the single player MW, & MW2 on the PC. MW was an awesome single player, MW2 was a real let down. I have never bought any COD MW game for console, & never plan to.
When there’s delights like KZ2, KZ3, & BFBC2 out (with the 3rd on the way) why would I even want to go near such an iffy framerate (on PS3), dodgy connection, hacked to hell, kill streak camping waste of space as Call of Mediocrity – Modern Borefare 53.
I’ll stick to good games thanks. There’s plenty more options on both HD consoles for some good FPS action.
I believe that PS3 is better!!!! Frankly, i dont like the Halo games. Well, Halo 3. It seemed very boring to me. But you said Fallout 3 was worst on PS3. YOUR DEAD WRONG!!!!!! I have a ps3, and my friend had an Xbox. When we checked, my game was much better quality (and im much further than him, but that doesnt matter). And we both had the same game, Fallout 3, Game of the Year edition. And mine was better.
Plz, get a Ps3. and fallout isnt the only game that is better on the Ps3, so think it over.
PS3 RULES
@ Cipher actually in my opinion both systems are about the same they both have their strengths and weaknesses and both systems have games with die hard fans saying their game is better than your game
@lorenzo
try Unreal Tournament 3. the PC and PS3 version were considerably faster than the xbox 360 one, as it was slowed down. though i did notice more problems on the 360 one. not much, just few laggy bits.
cant wait for prey 2.
im going to go back to 2006 and play the original. some of the weapons in that game were just so cool. like an alien acid shotgun.
a few of the guns in that game remind me of something only Insomniac can do so well.
xbox > PS3
why? because this just popped up on MSNBC:
http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/26/6539290-why-the-playstation-network-breach-is-scary?gt1=43001
PS3 owners just got data raped!
Why is it I can find nothing concerning the long-term costs of owning either system? I am a loyal Playstation fan, but I was entertaining the idea of buying an Xbox (initial costs being the biggest factor at the time) because most of my family, and friends use that platform. I decided not to buy one simply because all of them had been through multiple systems. My best friend alone has been through 5 360′s in four years. He’s actually had to pay for 3 of them. And he still insists that the Xbox 360 is better. This has been going on since the first Xbox. I think the number of system replacements is around 12. And he’s just one example. My brothers, cousins, uncles, and even my classmates have all had to pay for at least one replacement system, though in most cases that number is actually 2 replacement systems. Apparently if you get the “Red Ring of Death” after the warranty expires, Microsoft says “Tough $%#^, buy a new one”. That’s a load of BS. I’m old-school. If I buy something it better be made well enough that it doesn’t expire the day after my warranty expires. That’s why I like Playstation. I still have my PS1 and my PS2 as well as all of the game I bought for each, and THEY BOTH WORK FINE. Enough ranting.
In terms of longevity Playstation wins hands down. I’ve bought one of each system. Sure I paid more for them, but if you’ve had to buy even one replacement Xbox 360 then you’ve paid more than I did for mine.
while i do agrre on some things you said, i think you way over exagerated it. and at the start you said you bought the ps3, then at the end you said you had one of each console. w did you mean one of each playstation system?
another reason to go xbox is for xbox live. sure, you have to pay for it, but at least it doesnt get hacked and go down for weeks….. suppose you do get what you pay for with live……… the ability to play online:)
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What’re you all on right now? Despite me not being all that big on Killzone 2, I caved and grabbed Killzone 3 Helghast Edition for under $100. Damn glad I did, just wish the campaign was longer. XD
Speaking of the short campaign, need something else for either 360 or PS3 to tide me over til the next bumper crop. Any ideas?
Very well written article I must say. I have both systems but I must stress that the option to be able to install games on the hard drive is a HUGE advantage the Xbox 360 has over the PS3. This will improve loading times /performance drastically and also eliminate the loud dvd drive noise while playing.