Update 2009: I have just published our PS3 vs. XBOX 360 Two Years Later article. Once you are finished reading this, you should definitely move on to read that one! CLICK HERE
It has been exactly 1 year to the day since we published our PS3 vs. XBOX 360 article, written for us by a friend of mine who is a lead programmer for a game company working on all three consoles (and PC).
His conclusion was a controversial one at the time. That the XBOX 360 pretty much owned in every category; price, performance, graphics, and game selection.
However, a lot can change in a year. Both consoles saw price drops, and firmware updates have the potential to improve both gaming and non-gaming features. Developers have had time to ‘learn’ the intricacies of the PS3, and several new exclusive titles have been released for both.
One year later, I am going to don my flamesuit, and take a look at each console. Let’s see if the PS3 has made strides! It’s certainly selling better lately.
Price
When our original article was published, it was just after the PS3 had launched. If you recall, they had two versions of the console at that time; a 20GB version for $499 and a 60GB for $599. To contrast, the XBOX 360 was available for $299 and $399 at the time.
However, things have changed since then, and both consoles received price drops. The XBOX 360 Premium received a simple $50 price drop, and is now $349.99. The Core version was replaced by the Arcade version, which is the same as before but includes a 256MB memory card, a wireless controller, and some XBLA games on a disc. That version is $279.99. Finally, there is the Elite Edition (or as we call it, the New Retard Edition) which is exactly like the Premium, but is black and has a 100GB more hard drive space for an extra $100. The Playstation 3′s price situation is a bit murkier, as models have been dropped, new ones introduced, prices were dropped to clear out old models, features were left out on some new models, and so on. We started with the 60GB and 20GB versions, and both of those have since been dropped completely. I won’t talk about all that has happened with the PS3′s SKU situation since then, as that would just confuse things. Instead, just consider that we now have a 40GB model for $399 and an 80 GB model for $499. Besides the hard drive size, the 40GB model lacks flash card readers, 2 USB ports, SACD playback, and Playstation 2 compatibility (the 80GB will play PS2 games, but its software emulation is not even close to 100%).
So now you can get a PS3′s ‘lower’ model for just $50 more than the XBOX 360′s ‘middle’ model. You can’t really look at it that way though, since what sets the Premium XBOX 360 apart from the Arcade is mainly the 20GB hard drive. And the ‘low end’ PS3 still doubles that (and aside from that, it is VERY easy to upgrade the hard drive on a PS3, but that’s best left for another day). Comparing the 80GB to the Elite, the PS3 is again $50 more, but this time the XBOX 360 has the bigger hard drive. I have always said that hard drive space on the XBOX 360 is pretty much irrelevant, but future firmware updates are changing that. With the ability to download XBOX 1 games, you are probably only going to be able to fit 2 or 3 of them on your Premium, depending on how many demos you have installed. Plus, if the rumors are true about the XBOX 360 also getting DivX playback, it is instantly going to turn into a great media player solution (it fails miserably as a ‘media extender’ right now), and thus will require a larger hard drive. Update: The rumors were true! The XBOX 360 now fully supports MPEG-4 Layer 2 video, which includes the DivX codec as well as XviD. However, it can only stream this type of video, from a network or external storage; as of this time there is no way to store these files on the 360 itself.
So after all that, who wins the price war? It’s still the XBOX 360, not just because the respective models are $50 cheaper, but all versions of the XBOX 360 come bundled with some games now. The Elite and Premium versions come with Marvel Ultimate Alliance (yawn), Hexic HD (meh), and Forza Motorsport 2 (yey!). While the 80GB PS3 comes with MotorStorm, the 40GB only includes a copy of Spiderman 3 The Movie on Blu-Ray.
It should be noted though, that the Playstation 3 should no longer be considered stupidly expensive.
Performance
Here’s a tough one. On paper, the Playstation 3′s Cell engine is more capable than XBOX 360′s triple-core Xenon CPU. However, as our developer alluded to last year, the XBOX 360 is much easier to develop for. In other words, a lot of the Cell’s power is going to waste. Although that is expected to change eventually, as always seems to happen with Sony’s consoles (compare early PS2 games to current games, and the same goes for PS1), one year later we’re still waiting for someone to fully exploit the system. Another indication that the PS3 is harder to develop for is the fact that almost all multiplatform games arrive weeks – if not months – after their 360 versions.
As we said last year, we fully expect the PS3 to win this category – eventually. To what extent, we’re not sure (very likely it’s only going to be the blockbuster first-party titles that take full advantage of Cell), and when this will occur, we’re not sure either. Obviously, one full year wasn’t enough.
Graphics
This is a sticky subject for a lot of fanboys. A very common argument in most flame wars is that the Playstation 3 simply “has better graphics”. I’m not sure where that argument came from; Sony obviously did a good job of marketing the system. However, the argument is entirely false. The Xenos GPU on the XBOX 360 is superior the RSX on the PS3. This is one thing that didn’t change in the past year.
Xenos simply has more power – higher fillrate, higher pixel processing power, higher vertex processing power, and better memory architecture. If you look at multiplatform games and contrast the graphics on the two consoles, XBOX 360 almost always leads. Whether they use a higher resolution or higher quality antialiasing, games often look better and/or play smoother on the 360. We looked at a handful of multiplatform games a while back, and this was always the case.
Again, we have to consider that Cell has the potential to help with graphics on the Playstation 3. As developers become more familiar with the platform, they are going to come up with new tricks to help games run smoother, and allow them to look better. However, one year after its introduction we aren’t seeing huge leaps (or even baby steps) towards this, except on a couple exclusive titles.
Game Selection
This category has two things to consider; exclusive titles for each console, and which console is better to play multiplatform games on. I think we covered the latter issue with the graphics category; given the choice between playing a multiplatform game on either console, the XBOX 360 is almost always better. At the very least, games will look the same on both consoles. At the worst, games on the PS3 will run at half the framerate of the 360, and at lower resolutions with less filtering and antialiasing. Also, multiplatform games are often delayed by weeks or even months on the PS3 (a testament to the difficulty of working with the system). Case in point, The Orange Box. The 2nd best selling XBOX 360 game after Halo 3 in October, and it is nowhere to be seen on the Playstation 3. And by early accounts, it is quite choppy on the Playstation 3.
So what about exclusive titles? After all, graphics and performance notwithstanding, this has to be the most important decision to make for most gamers choosing between the two consoles. It has been a full year, and.. well… things aren’t looking too good for the Playstation 3. As ScrewAttack noted in their Top 10 Exclusives for PS3, there aren’t even enough decent games to make a Top 10 list with!
Let’s take a quick look at the exclusive games that have come out for each system since we published our first article 1 year ago:
XBOX 360
| Title | Developer |
GameRankings Score |
| Ace Combat 6 | Namco | 82 |
| Beautiful Katamari | Namco | 74 |
| BioShock | Irrational Games | 95 |
| Blue Dragon | Mistwalker | 78 |
| Call of Juarez | TechLand | 72 |
| Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars | EA Los Angeles | 81 |
| Crackdown | Real Time Worlds | 83 |
| Dance Dance Revolution Universe | Konami | 75 |
| Earth Defense Force 2017 | Sandlot | 71 |
| Eternal Sonata | Tri-Crescendo | 80 |
| F.E.A.R. Files | Timegate Studios | 72 |
| Forza Motorsport 2 | Microsoft | 90 |
| Fuzion Frenzy 2 | Hudson Soft | 52 |
| Halo 3 | Bungie Studios | 93 |
| Kengo: Legend of the 9 | Genki | 46 |
| Mass Effect | BioWare | 93 |
| Naruto: Rise of a Ninja | Ubisoft | 80 |
| Overlord | Triumph Studios | 76 |
| Project Gotham Racing 4 | Bizarre Creations | 87 |
| Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action | Screenlife/WXP | 75 |
| Shadowrun | FASA Interactive | 69 |
| Tetris Evolution | Mass Media | 57 |
| Vampire Rain | Artoon | 40 |
| Viva Piñata: Party Animals | Krome Studios | 62 |
List of console titles exclusive to the XBOX 360 released since November 20, 2006. Score in green = at least 80% on GameRankings. Score in bold = at least 90% on GameRankings. Title in bold = Overall Game of the Year contender for 2007
Playstation 3
| Title | Developer |
GameRankings Score |
| Eye of Judgment | SCE Japan | 75 |
| Folklore | Game Republic | 76 |
| Formula One Championship Edition | SCE Liverpool | 77 |
| Heavenly Sword | Ninja Theory | 81 |
| Lair | Factor 5 | 56 |
| MLB 07: The Show | SCE San Diego | 78 |
| MotorStorm | Evolution Studios | 83 |
| NBA 08 | SCE San Diego | 66 |
| Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction | Insomniac Games | 89 |
| SingStar | SCE London | 83 |
| Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune | Naughty Dog | 88 |
| Warhawk | Incognito | 84 |
List of titles exclusive to the Playstation 3 released since November 20, 2006. Score in green = at least 80% on GameRankings. Score in bold = at least 90% on GameRankings. Title in bold = Overall Game of the Year contender for 2007
At the Playstation 3′s launch, the XBOX 360 had a 1 year head-start, and had such titles as Gears of War, PGR3, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, F.E.A.R., Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Dead Rising, Burnout Revenge, Fight Night 3, and Rainbow Six: Vegas, all of which which were either titles exclusive to the 360, or weren’t made available on the PS3 until some time in 2007.
Now we can look at nearly an entire year of exclusive releases for each console, and compare them on an even playing field. I took all the games that were released after November 20, 2006, and found their overall scores on GameRankings. Scores over 80% were highlighted in green, as ‘very good games’ (contrary to some, I think a score of 80% is pretty good). Also, contenders for Overall Game of the Year were highlighted as some of the BEST games for ANY console. In other words, people will want to buy the console just to play these games.
As you can see, there were a lot more GOOD games for the 360 in the past year. While the PS3 had some games that squeaked into the 80% bracket, and one or two really good games like Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank, overall it has been a mediocre year for Playstation 3. Many were looking forward to titles like Heavenly Sword and Lair to make a statement, but those games pretty much fell flat on their faces (especially Lair, a total failure).
XBOX 360 on the other hand saw some excellent titles, including some that may be considered among the best games for any console, such as Halo 3, BioShock, and Mass Effect (of course, we all know that none of these are likely going to topple Mario Galaxy for this award, but oh well).
So for game selection, XBOX 360 not only offers a better experience with multiplatform games, but their exclusive titles are more often better than those on PS3, and in some cases extremely good.
Online Support
Let’s face it, it’s going to be tough for anyone to beat XBOX Live. The interface is excellent, the interaction between players is superb, and extra features like achievements add the small touches that make playing games on the XBOX 360 just a little bit better for certain people.
Playstation Network has the sole advantage of being free for the most part (game makers are still allowed to charge for online play if they want, such as MMO games, etc). However, to play any game at all on XBOX Live, you must subscribe at $50 per year at its cheapest.
One drastic disadvantage of the Playstation 3 is the fact that you cannot send messages to your friend from within a game; in order to reach the XMB or ‘main menu’ of the PS3, you need to quit out of the game you are playing, and go to your friends list that way. There is nothing in the way of voice chat (with the exception of Warhawk), and no cross-game invite system. With XBOX Live, hit one button and you can reach your friends right away. Send them a voice message, or text message, or invite them to the server you’re playing on. You can even add your MSN/Live Messenger list to the 360, and talk to your non-gaming friends any time you want.
Profiles are also more robust on XBOX Live – each gamer has their own tag, their own custom avatar, a list of games they recently played, some achievements they have accomplished, and an overall score to give an idea of how experienced you are. All of this can be viewed in-game. Also, XBOX Live extends to XBOX.com, where you can view and edit profiles from your PC if you prefer.
On PSN, you get an icon, and a small about-me section. None of this can be viewed in-game, and there is no way to tell anything else about the gamer. PSN does not extend to an online version that can be viewed from the PC, either.
With PSN Home coming (the beta is rumored to be starting in December), this section may drastically change. Sony is banking on Home being a huge reason to play games on the Playstation 3 as opposed to the XBOX 360. Public details on Home have been sketchy at best though, so we shall see how things pan out.
XBOX Live Arcade vs. Playstation Store
Another thing to consider is buying games online. Both Sony and Microsoft offer various types of games to download online, and add several each week. Selections range from old-school games from previous systems to refreshed versions of classics, to brand new titles from small publishers and individual designers.
XBLA wins in pretty much every category though; many of PSN’s games are decent, but nearly exclusively from Sony themselves; it seems like it’s much easier for an indie publisher to get their game onto XBLA than PSN. XBLA offers a wide selection of retro arcade games, adding features like online play and leaderboards to many of them. Some of these games have become sleeper hits, like Pac-Man Championship Edition.
One area where the PSN excels (or at least has the ability to) is that Playstation 1 games can be ported directly to a PSP, along with game save files. Best of all, save files can go back and forth. If you are playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and want to take it on the road, simply connect your PSP, transfer the save file, and play it from there. Then when you come home, transfer the save file back to the PS3, and you are set. Unfortunately, there are very few Playstation 1 games available in the US.
Multimedia
Here’s one area that my friend didn’t really consider last year, as he is mostly concerned with making games for the systems, and not watching movies on them. I bought my XBOX 360 around the middle of 2006, and my PS3 at launch, so I am talking about my personal experience here.
For movies, the PS3 wins hands down. Not only does it have integrated Blu-Ray capability, it is a far superior movie player to begin with. We also must consider that the PS3 can be had for as little as $399, while an XBOX 360 with HD-DVD player will cost at least $530 (Arcade Edition notwithstanding, since nobody in their right mind is going to buy an XBOX 360 without a hard drive).
Regardless of comparing playback image quality, sound quality, and interface, there is one thing that gives the XBOX 360 an automatic “zero” in every category – it is excruciatingly LOUD. There is ONE thing that I HATE when I try to watch a movie, and that’s background noise. I alway go out of the way to make sure my living room is utterly quiet when I sit down to watch a movie, and the sickening screech of the 360′s DVD drive and fans makes this completely impossible.
PS3, on the other hand, is completely quiet during movie playback. Whether you are watching a Blu-Ray, DVD, or other video format, the PS3 isn’t going to make a peep.
I also much prefer the PS3′s interface to the bright, flashy, sluggish interface of the XBOX 360. Turning on the PS3 to watch a high-definition movie feels like a classy, almost ‘high end’ experience. In contrast, fire up the XBOX 360 and you are treated to a whining fan, screeching DVD drive, and bright flashy colours on your screen. The console itself looks more like a ‘toy’ and the external USB drive required for HD-DVD only extends the ‘low end’ feel.
Then you have the other media formats. XBOX 360 was only ever meant to be an ‘Multimedia Extender’. In other words, it was expected that by this time, most people would have a PC dedicated to hosting multimedia using either Windows Media Center or Vista Home. The 360 would pull the files off this dedicated media PC over the network. Therefore, the 360′s multimedia capabilities are actually quite poor. It supports MPEG-2, MPEG-4, and MPEG-4 AVC (h.264), but only in the WMV, MOV, and TS container formats. It supports DLNA, so is able to discover files on DLNA software like Windows Vista.
Playstation 3 was intended to be an all-in-one media center, and the design shows. At first, it did not support DLNA, but we broke the story when DLNA-supporting firmware was released, allowing multimedia to be streamed from Vista to the Playstation 3. All the major codecs are supported by Playstation 3; MPEG-1, MPEG-2, Motion JPEG (commonly found with digital cameras) through AVI, MOV, MP4, and TS container formats. It will even play AVCHD files directly (M2TS files – the same format Blu-Ray uses).
MP4 support is seen as the future of video, and the PS3 has very good support of this. It supports MPEG-4 AAC audio, MPEG-4 Simple Profile video, as well as Main and High profile (also known as h.264). In a big story last week, it was announced that the PS3 would soon be supporting the DivX codec, through the AVI file container. This will be the first time a non-modified console supports this highly popular format. Here’s hoping for MKV h.264 support! ;)
Audio playback is close, with the PS3 having the minor advantage of supporting SACD, although this is no longer supported with the 40GB version. It’s been sad to see Sony drop many of the advantages they held over the 360 in the past year. Playstation 3 will always be better as a standalone music player since it doesn’t sound like a jet engine, but the 360 has the great advantage of being able to access music from within any game.
I have viewed photos on both consoles, and find the PS3 to be a more pleasant experience. Again, the XMB is so much better than XBOX 360′s tabbed Dashboard, and it’s nice to view pictures without noisy fans blasting away in the background. The PS3 supports some printers directly, which may or may not be useful (I can’t imagine using it as a photo printer, but someone might. probably someone in Japan).
Other Considerations
There are some other subjective topics to discuss that don’ t necessarily fit into our other categories.
- Import Gaming – The PS3 excels in this, as all games are currently unlocked and can be played on systems from any region. This makes importing games from other countries a breeze. Furthermore, you are free to create PSN accounts for any country, allowing you to download demos from other regions. You won’t be able to make purchases without a credit card from those countries however.
XBOX 360 has many games that are exclusive to Japan and Europe, but with region encoding, they are only playable on consoles from their respective regions. Going the other way, many titles that get a worldwide release don’t have region encoding at all, so owning a 360 outside of the US isn’t so bad if you still want to play US games. Take it from me: import gaming goes both ways! - Piracy - A touchy subject, but one that must be considered. Although PS3 ISO’s are being released, I’m pretty sure that its game copy protection has yet to be cracked. XBOX 360 on the other hand, has a large scene going for it, and that has to be a consideration for many people deciding on which console to buy. Be warned though; Microsoft actively fights piracy, and has been known to ban consoles from connecting to XBOX Live if a mod is detected!
- Folding@Home – This may not be a big deal to you, but perhaps it should be mentioned. If you are interested in joining a worldwide supercomputer cluster capable of 700 teraflops, and want to help find the cure for diseases like cancer, the PS3 may be worthy of consideration. For most though, this function doesn’t make a difference at all.
- PSP Connectivity – With the 1.8 firmware release, the Playstation 3 received some excellent features, not the least of which is the ability to stream media to the PSP – anywhere in the world. Once two devices are partnered, you can turn on the PS3 from your PSP (as of firmware 2.0) and access all the files on it with the PSP – including HD video. This is where Microsoft got things wrong by trying to turn the 360 into a media extender. Sony decided to make the Playstation 3 a media hub, extending to portable devices like the PSP. A very wise decision, and the features get even better with time.
- Reliability - Here’s a huge one that must be considered – XBOX 360′s made prior to October 2007 are pretty much considered time bombs. It’s not a matter of whether your console will stop working, it’s a matter of when. The 360 has such a high failure rate that Microsoft spent over $1 billion to extend everyone’s warranty by 3 years. While having a long warranty is nice, knowing that it’s only a matter of time before the console dies, nobody wants to have a dead console in the first place. Newer units seem to be okay, so far (knock on wood).
- Backwards Compatibility – This was one of the major advantages of the Playstation 3 when it first launched last year. Since it had all the necessary hardware from the Playstation 2, it would be fully compatible with all PS2 games. Additionally, PS2 games would eventually be upsampled, improving their image quality for newer HD displays. PS2 owners could safely pass along their old console, knowing that their game library would still be accessible, and look better than ever. However, as Sony started revising hardware to cut costs, backwards compatibility suffered. First to go was the “Emotion Engine” CPU in the 80GB version. Some games were still supported through software emulation, since the “Graphics Synthesizer” GPU remained intact; reports show 80GB backwards compatibility to be around 50%. With the latest version of the PS3 (40 GB), the GPU was also removed, and as of now there is no way to emulate PS2 games on these systems. Although it’s probably not impossible to emulate the GPU with the PS3′s hardware, nothing has been announced and I wouldn’t get my hopes up of this ever happening.XBOX 360′s backwards compatibility is nothing to brag about either; consider it at about the level of the 80GB PS3. Many XBOX 1 games will work, but often have problems.
- Display Connectivity – The Playstation 3 wasn’t the only one to get some hardware revisions in the past year. One of the largest criticisms of the XBOX 360 was the fact that it had no digital video output. However, all consoles released after September 2007 (including the low-end Arcade version) include an HDMI 1.2 digital port. Only the Elite comes with a cable in-box.
- Open Source Operating Systems - Again, this may not be something that will sway your buying decision. While both consoles have some form of Linux support, only the Playstation 3 officially supports it out of the box. XBOX 360 has a project titled Free60 that requires you to hack your system and use vulnerable kernels. If your system has later firmware updates, it may be entirely impossible to do this. On the Playstation 3, you simply select an option in the console, and from there you can install one of several distributions that support it, including Yellow Dog (the distro officially supported by Sony), Ubuntu, Fedora Core 7, Gentoo, and Debian.
Conclusion
Recently I received an email from someone, asking if I still “stand by” our PS3 vs. XBOX 360 review. He asked if the PS3 became better in the past year.
I think after looking back a year, more than anything the statements we made were justified. The Playstation 3 didn’t get much better in a year, and in fact the hardware got worse with each revision. It started out with full PS2 backwards compatibility, and now it has none at all. It started out with SACD support, and now it doesn’t support it at all.
However, it also got better in many ways; more than anything, it’s an excellent multimedia hub. With multiple video format support (and DivX AVI support coming), and the ability to stream to the PSP, it’s clearly superior in that regard. Furthermore, it’s a better home video player, since it not only has a better interface for such things, but it doesn’t sound like a jet engine taking off.
But in the past year, we haven’t seen a single HUGE title drop for the PS3. The closest thing is a very good platformer/shooter with excellent graphics. Instead, exclusive games get delayed (MGS4), or end up failing miserably (Lair), or do not live up to expectations (Heavenly Sword).
Multiplatform games continued to be developed on the XBOX 360, then ported to the PS3. I’m sure that developers aim for simultaneous releases in most cases, but this rarely happens. When the PS3 versions of the games do come out, they often suffer from low framerates and poor image quality.
As of now, there is only one multiplatform game being developed on the PS3 later to be ported to 360, and that’s Haze. Update: Haze is now going to be PS3-exclusive. We’ll see how things go with that in a few weeks. I have heard that Unreal Tournament 3 is looking real good on PS3 too, although I’m sure that’s more of a case of Epic’s confidence that they can knock out an XBOX 360 version in a short period of time. The only major issue they are likely to come across is mod compatibility on the 360.
There will always be the speculation that the Playstation 3′s performance will increase; that it is only a matter of time. After all, we saw that happen with both the PS1 and PS2. Since Sony’s systems are powerful yet inherently difficult to work with, this always seems to happen. However, in the year since its release, the only titles to really WOW us graphics-wise are two Sony-published games, Heavenly Sword and Ratchet & Clank.
Sony has yet to catch up with XBOX 360 in terms of online features, although Home has interesting potential. We’ll have to wait and see if it is feasible as an online interface, or just a silly gimmick. This is one area where we should at least see the PS3 get some vast improvements in the years to come.
So do I stand by our statements we made last year? Absolutely. I’m happy that we were ‘proven right’ in the events of the past year. Do I think XBOX 360 is clearly the better console to buy? Not by a long shot. Each console has their own advantages and disadvantages. Read through this article, and you should be aware of most of them. From there, you can decide which one is right for you.
Thank you for what I’d consider to be one of the most even handed comparisons I’ve ever read. Kudo’s!
Nice article. I found one fault though. Late September is when the Premium Xbox systems are supposed to be manufactured with the new Falcon chipset –> more stable. I have a system dated 9/26 and it is indeed a Falcon. Runs much cooler, a little quieter; I expect it will not RROD.
Virtua Fighter 5 was made on PS3 and ported to 360. Though some people claim it looks better on 360, I couldn’t really see a difference
Man..thanks..alot..i had my mind set on a ps3 for xmas…now you have confused me even more..meaning…which one do i get now…dammit…i love them both…ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i had ps1+2 and xbox 1…now i need a new system..but which one….f%^$# it…ill buy an old street fighter 2 arcade..with jamma…..hahahahah
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The most well written article on this topic if ever seen. Well done!
Articles like this are the reason that HardCoreWare is my first stop for gaming and hardware news!
I like unbiased console compares. THank you very much.
Awesome article and a well-rounded comparison. One thing you left off was the ability for hobbyist game development on the Xbox 360 platform using XNA.
Best article I’ve read on this subject. Great stats and wonderful research.
what he didnt mention is that the xbox360 only has 256 gpu and system ram so they share an example is when you play bioshock the lag you get is because of this while the ps3 has 256 gpu and system ram. I would highly suggest the ps3 cuz blueray will be needed to play future games while xbox is still in the dvd format which is having troubles with the new GTA 4 because of this. In the long run i suggest the PS3. I like 360 too but i love my PS3 more. You need to take a look in the long run cuz 360 if it stays the same will not go anywhere and will be a 4 cd GTA4
Nice article, i am about to by a new console and was a bit confused about what to buy. Now though i know, its xbox 360 for me. Man i think the PS3 is cool and all, but why buy a system for multimedia purposes. Buy a console to game and 360 wins in that category.
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haha i read this article 2 figure out what 2 buy!!! im still confused, but i guess if ps3 hasnt mastered the full potential i guess in the long run it will be a far superior machine (80% sure i will get a ps3)
I believe this is one of the best comparison articles I’ve ever read, considering all subjects.
Great job, I think you’ve helped a lot of people here.
I think this was a very well written article, and to me this article says that xbox360 is the better gaming system as of now. Their online, most likely, will never be bested. But in the long run, sony is going to have the all around better system. It seems they will surpass the 360 in all categories except online, price, and maybe exclusives, but I think they will eventually win the latter. But no matter what I will have both!!!!
Can anyone expand on the reliability problems of xbox 360? after reading this article, i was set on buying the xbox but will it really have reliability problems? if so, isn’t that reason enough to buy the ps 3?
Honestly, this is by far the most unbiased and resourceful article I had read. BRAVO!
One thing I wish you had addressed to your developer friend:
With the price cut Sony has implemented for developers, what is his take on it? Still too expensive, smart move on Sony’s behalf, or desperation?
I am a PS3 Fanboy (declaring a bias on Microsoft as a whole). Sure I’ll play PC games built by Microsoft. But probably will never buy an Xbox. For me it’s a morality issue, because of how MS brib… ‘charitably’ donates money to ascertain contracts (GTA4 episodic content) and companies.
PS3 I find is over-hyped. However, I am not certain why people are finding it a total let down.
Comparing 360 and PS3′s debut year they are almost in parity.
However, certain factors are not revealed.
A) The Economy was better when the 360 came out, more money in retail was spent, less housing problems and risks of a recession in the US.
B) There was no competition in the cutting edge next gen graphics field except in PC gaming which was far more expensive and requires skill to craft a proper gaming PC (now i find it’s easier to find a PC that is designed for gaming and more affordable)
When PS3 and Wii came out 360 had already dominated this market which very effective advertising (something PS3 only is spending good money on now)
The Wii, which I love obviously was the shocker and of course impeded on the PS3′s entry into gaming.
Seeing the Ps3 as a multimedia center is fine by me, I bought the HDTV 1080p and want to watch HD movies and play games. I didn’t want to buy HD-DVD because at least if i bought PS3 and bluray DVDs They would always work and I wouldn’t mind if HD-DVD won. (imagine if HD-DVD fails and what the landfills are going to look like)
PS3 is looking out for its main interest which is interdisciplinary action with all of its manufacturers. From TV’s, Bluray, Movie companies, music, portable gaming, and soon cell phones with sony Ericson and gaming.
I’m not writing this to bash the 360, it is a very good system. I feel robbed if i bought into it and as well a bit dirty knowing I’m supporting a company that A) thinks they can dominate not only the game industry but the ‘.DOC’ file format war (which they failed to achieve) And I don’t even want to start with what happened in Europe and their most recent settlement.
Playstation has it’s problems, but I will believe they do things the right way. OR at least in a way that is subversive enough not to be noticed.
In these past weeks you keep hearing 3rd party developers saying developing for the ps3 is becoming easier since they broke the seal. I hope this ball keeps rolling without having to ‘buy out exclusives from MS’
I totally welcome any comments, and would love to learn more about the gaming industry and how it is not only effecting our social lives but the economy.
Here’s to healthy debating.
Peace out
b4 reading this i was confused over what i should buy,,now i am even more confused.WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY
It looks like what you are saying is to buy a xbox 360 pro today and wait a year or more for the ps3. There are more games that I like for the x360 and I can only afford one system this year. I have to say that the x360 has a better and lower priced game selection. I will look at the ps3 next year or the year after.
Get the ps3, blueray, wifi, bluetooth, sixaxis, better functionality and potential for much better games. It will be interesting and more fair to see how xbox 360 exclusive games released between november 2006 – november 2007 compare with ps3 exclusive games released between november 2007 – november 2008, as the xbox 360 was released a year before the ps3.
Two reasons for buying PS3…
MGS4
GTA5
halo 3
gears of war
and mass effect
+ BIOSHOCK
SHITS ON PS3 GAMES
BUT IS PES 08 BETTER THAN FIFA 08 ?
I PLAYED PES 08 AND LOVED IT BUT NOT FIFA
great article …
if the ps3 has so much “potential” potential, why would anyone buy one NOW? why wouldn’t you wait until the “potential” was realized? that’ll probably be after a couple more price-drops, too … of course, if they keep cutting features and ripping out hardware, they may downsize all that “potential” away in the next year or two … if you want a media-hub … why not buy a $250 laptop with XP media center edition?
That is a great review ell done
I think the cost comparison was completely wrong. With the PS3 you get a built in HD player, And wireless internet. To buy those seperately (because you have to) for the 360, its an additional $350 bucks.
PS3 is already starting to realize it’s potential people keep talking about. Take a look at the games coming out for it.
To the guy who posted the games comment, only 2 of those are 360 exclusives, and its retarded to tray and win an argument based on multi platform games. Halo 3 was indeed awesome but it was done in a day. Mass Effect should be better tho the load times sound unacceptable to me in a next gen console (which you can thank developing for the lowest common denominator, since the original 360′s that were sold didnt have a hard drive, and now ms is dropping support).
I bought a 360 for the 3 games i want for it, and i got a PS3 for the 8 games i know of.
im from brazil and decide on buying a ps3, the games there are really expensive like 100 dollars or more.
what is the DivX code?
and will the ps3 have the next pes and fifa?
cuz i understood that they will be only for xbox now
Very well done article, you have made some points on both consoles, good and bad.
I think in the end, its all about the experience you want to have, online and hard core gaming to a full multimedia experience.
in my opinion(which you probably dont care for anyway)the 360 is the console for me ;)
ive always wondered what was better but now im for sure gettin a ps3. Even tho the 360 has great games out now, im willing to wait for the amazing games to come out later for the ps3 like mgs4,gow3,final fantasy 13,killzone2,gran turismo HD, silent hill 5, devil may cry 4, gta4, rainbow six vegas 2,playstation home,resident evil 5…..and those are just off the top of my head. In any case those games i mentioned above will take awhile before they are released and some i think are multi platformed but basically all i’ll need for this long wait is assassins creed and the elder scrolls. Just those 2 games will keep me busy enough for the others to come out. Personally i think that the ps3 in the long run will be better than the 360 and this is a completely unbiased comment. I have respect for all 3 next gen systems (360, ps3, wii) and i think they are all great but i think the ps3 in the future is gonna be huge especially when mgs4 comes out (xbox 360 owners heads will explode when they see that game). Anywayz great article and i cant wait to get a ps3 this holiday.
Resp to dama
Posted on November 24th, 2007
great article …
if the ps3 has so much “potential” potential, why would anyone buy one NOW? why wouldn’t you wait until the “potential” was realized? that’ll probably be after a couple more price-drops, too … of course, if they keep cutting features and ripping out hardware, they may downsize all that “potential” away in the next year or two … if you want a media-hub … why not buy a $250 laptop with XP media center edition?
Show me a $250 laptop that can do what the ps3 can do and I’ll buy one. Please do not speak unless you know what you are talking about.
I just bought a PS3 80 for Christmas for my 16 yr. old son and I am soooooooo very confussed. I never play these games and there appears to be so many different opinions. I made the decision for ps3, because of the blue-ray, the fact that the controlers do not need batteries and I keep hearing that once you buy the xbox 360 you have to buy so much in order to get it to do what you want it to do.
I FEEL LIKE SCREAMING!!!! UGH!!!!
Thank you so much. Your article made my decision much easier considering the fact that both consoles are magnificent. I hope I will see another brilliant article of yours.
Care, if there is one thing for certain in this ‘war’ between the two, it is that any 16 year old is going to be extremely happy, no matter which console he gets. Don’t worry!
Thanks for the great update of the great comparison. I don’t think you know what the work ‘consensus’ means, though.
Mr. Nelson…I am sure you are right! I just wanted to make a smart choice! He tells my daughter that he likes the xbox 360, but I don’t believe he has really looked into the ps3. He loves ps2 and he has an xbox and loves his friends xbox 360. I thought if I brought back the ps3, then there would be more money left to buy him other things for Christmas…but, everyone says that there is so much to buy for the 360 that it isn’t worth it. He has no idea I bought the ps3, so I could exchange it…just not sure I want too or that I should!!!!
This has been a very informative article, it just contains so much info that I do not understand. It is frustrating!!
Thank you for you encouragement!
Great article,
… and making a reference to a great Portuguese poet “Bocage” …
I think I’ll wait for the last model!
None of the brands is doing fair-play, they both have great hardware but none of them is leaving it really exploitable, talking about:
a) HD of 20 Gb, 40 Gb, bla bla bla, everybody knows Hard-Drives are cheap, why make us buy hardware that is clearly insufficient?
b) Blue-Ray or HD-DVD, I really don’t care, those technologies must prove itself on the market, Mini-Disc was great, Polaroid was great, they are dead, cheaper technologies won the battle.
I want to buy an upgradable experience… none of them deserve my true respect, they booth try to defend their one technologies and don’t have a true concern with the needs of the general public. My choice will be for the easiest to crack (when I finish my investigation I’ll come back and leave it here)
Best regards
PS: Mr. Care, if he likes 360, and his mates already have one, at least they could trade games.
they seem to bolth suck…
i’d rather have free online play than a bunch of feachers i don’t want for $50 a year.
I also wish that they had back compatability.
there wasn’t this many down point with the xbox and ps2. I don’t get it, the companies seem to have gotten cocky and thouigh they’ll just be able to creatate wonderfull creations.
great article
but now very confused …WHAT DO I BUY!!!
HELP!!!
Care, if your son doesnt want the playstation 3 i would happily take it from him. To me it sounds disrespectful that you buy him a great system and he goes on tellin his sister that he would rather have the 360. I’d be happy with any system because my family is a little on the broke side so they cant get me one so i cope with what i have. Anywayz you made a good decision.
To me it sounds like if you want to go with your gut, you’ll end up with and X-box. Myself reading this article, I slided to the x-box at first. Then I though about the games that will be coming out for Ps3. I’m a hardcore gamer. I play Socom about 7 hours a day. Maybe more. My experience with games for ps2 has told me that you can’t judge by first impression’s. This meaning when Ps2 came out games were amazing (compared to Ps1), then they got much better to where we see them now over a seven year period(I think about 7). I look at xbox and see no improvement at all. Unless you count minor graphic improvements. If Xbox 360 games don’t improve,(I don’t think they will) and Ps3 is already at about the same level as Xbox 360. I’m most certain that history will repeat with the games from both systems. You can’t modify whats in your Game system,(Most of the time)As in better graphics or processors. Games get better and better. At good representation of this is to look at the jump from GTA 1 and 2, to GTA 3. Immense improvement. I have never seen anything accomplished like that on any xbox game. If your going to invest on a gaming system, You better get the best or you’ll end up buying either a Ps3 after the games for xbox are long and played out, or you’ll be stupid and get an xbox 540. I can’t imagine. This isn’tll one sided either. Sony has developed qaulity products for I don’t even know how long. Microsoft has to but NOT HARDWARE only software. It really dosn’t matter what I think, it matters what you think is better. The only thing I like about xbox is more RPG’s and 4 controller ports. Also if you were to look at an xbox 360 and a ps3side by side theres no doubt in my mind that you would pick up a ps3 before an xbox 360. Only trying to help you people and gamers out. And I don’t think one of the best developers, (Zipper Interactive) would side with a mediocre company. Thanks for this article also. It made my mind set.
Poop De Pants,
My son has NO idea that I am even thinking about buying him either. My daughter was just asking him which one he like better. He is a great kid and will love whatever I get him, as he always has. I just wanted to make the best choice!
Bottom line is:
1) want to play great games in a great way (with your friends easily and slickly)? Get a 360.
2) want an overpriced media hub with failed exclusives & failing game ports? Get a ps3.
Also: “PS3 vs 360
Posted on November 21st, 2007″ you’re completely wrong on the memory front. both consoles have 512mb RAM (360′s live interface has reserved memory) but the ps3′s is split between the GPU and the system.
Best unbiased comparison I have seen on two rivaling electronics ever!
Quote PS3 vs 360
Posted on November 21st, 2007
what he didnt mention is that the xbox360 only has 256 gpu and system ram so they share an example is when you play bioshock the lag you get is because of this while the ps3 has 256 gpu and system ram. I would highly suggest the ps3 cuz blueray will be needed to play future games while xbox is still in the dvd format which is having troubles with the new GTA 4 because of this. In the long run i suggest the PS3. I like 360 too but i love my PS3 more. You need to take a look in the long run cuz 360 if it stays the same will not go anywhere and will be a 4 cd GTA4 Quote
this is infact wrong the reason that gta 4 has been delayed is the RAGE engine (rockstar’s new gaming engine) is having trouble on the ps3 and is causing multiple bugs, but because of rockstar’s loyalty to sony it is not releasing the xbox 360 version first
I was extremely impressed with how much information was in this comparison! Some other points that should be concidered though are:
YOUR TV: Both systems are amazing graphically, but it doesn’t do you any good if you have a lower end TV. That being said, if you do NOT have an HDTV, and you are still planning on buying a new system, don’t look at it so much as what has better graphics, or plays higher quality movies, but what system is better for YOU (IE: Games that your interested in, online play, etc). And keep in mind that you will probably want to buy a new HDTV once you start playing on your new system ;).
MULTIPLAYER: Though I personally feel the XBox 360 Multiplayer is better than PS3, you must remember that you have to pay for subscription for the XBox while the PS3 multiplayer is free.
MOVIE PLAYBACK: This is where things get interesting. If you do in fact have a top-of-the-line HDTV, and you are mostly concerned with movie playback, then the PS3 may be a better choice. As metioned earlier, the PS3 is quieter, and has Blue-ray built in while you have to pay extra money for the HD-DVD player for the Xbox 360. Low-end 360 ($249.99) + HD DVD player ($179.99) + HDMI Cable ($99.99) = $530.00 plus tax. Low-end PS3 ($399.99) + HDMI Cable ($99.99) = $500.00 plus tax. Keep in mind that the low-end 360 doesnt include a hard drive. The PS3 is has better qualities in this aspect and is cheaper. Both setups upconvert regular DVD’s and both need the HDMI cable if your going to use the full capabilities of your movie playback.
It bugs me that the Xbox 360′s HD-DVD player is separate, but I’m personally going to be buying one soon either way. I prefer more games on the Xbox platform than the Playstation platform.
If your going for the whole shabang, and you already have the top-of-the-line HDTV and your looking for high quality gaming and movie playback, you probably have the money to buy both systems. Like the comparison stated though, it’s really up to you which system is better. Hopefully this additional info will help you in choosing, but if not, you may be better off flipping a coin ;).
to Matt R.:
Where are buying a $99.00 HDMI CABLE thats PREPOSTEROUS!
Go do your local nerdy computer center and pick one up there for a fraction. Avoid buying an HDMI from Best buy / Futureshop /circut city. Honestly you would never tell the difference.
And to further saving costs buy your Cat-5 cables there too. I was able to score a 50 footer for only 12 bucks. And the connection is lightening fast 100Mbs
SO just to clarify if you do your homework
PS3 is cheaper if you want a Blu-ray player, media hub and Gaming console.
to Peter:
You have an extremely good point there. Thanks for the info!
to Matt R.
btw, i wasn’t ripping on you. I just had a moment of anger of how companies can rip ppl off on the same products. (being that some of the best buy cables are thicker and less likely to bend or break.)
Always been a fan of the palystations! I have the first playstation, the ps1, and the ps2 and now, for this christmas I want either an X-Box 360 or a PS3.
After reading this article and the one previous to it I have decided on the X-Box 360 (As much as it hurts to say that)
Why? It seems to me that if the 360 is already established as an excellent gaming system with flawless online play and interaction (which I live for) I may as well buy it and, if in 2-3 years the PS3 surpases the X-Box 360 (after some price drops and many improvements) then I will buy it, and be happy to be back to the Playstations and not have spent the past 2 years waiting for the PS3 to reach its pinacle.
i must admit that the combination of the article and comments on this site has truly been informative.
thank you to each of you for your input, suggestions, comments and advice.
blessings,
s.
i personaly like the 360 but i do occasionaly take the long trek to my friends house (a whole block! he should move….) to play the ps3 with him. i have to say i personaly wasn’t impressed and kind of potatoed on the coach and the next day we played bioshock and halo 3 all day (my gamertag is Ananoke please send me a friend request i only gots 1 friend). to me ps3 games are pretty boring. except for a few greats like resistance: fall of man and………… MGS4?(Metal gear solid is a great franchise but i never really get into it….sept for sons of liberty on the ps2 which pwned)i particularly like consoles for games not for the media but i know some people like those things and i am unimpressed with the ps3′s upcoming lineup (and impacient)while i am looking forward to alot of games for the 360 includng games listed above as though they were ps3 exclusives. sorry for the long post but i am type happy cause i am sick and have a new laptop (toshiba satallite P205-S7402 on sale at best buy for black friday, you know they had a crappy e-machine with a proccesor, monitor, and printer for 200$ lol.
This is a really great article that has tons of good research and you can tell its well done. In my personal experience i love gaming whether its on sony, nintendo, xbox, pc, whatever i play them all but when it comes to my xbox 360 and my ps3 my ps3 only really gets any action when i get a blu-ray movie i want to watch, other then that it just collects dust.
The xbox 360 is a great machine but i am not a fan of it. When the ps3 was not on the market i would have bought a 360 right away but now its “outdated”. The ps3 has so much more potential and Sony waited and released a machine that will have a much longer life span just like the ps2.
Microsoft will have to come out with a new console just cause its missing a hd player. Why hd player? Example: Unreal tournament 3 is coming out on both platforms but the xbox 360 version will have less features than the ps3 version because they do not have enough space on the dvd’s while on blu ray instead they have “unlimited” storage capacity (and blu ray is still only dual layer, they are talking about quad layers also now..)
I love my xbox and was already to get an xbox360. However, I keep reading about this “Red Light of Death” that frankly scares me enough to not buy it. One article I read stated that 1 out of 3 x360 games gets this and needs to be returned. I’ve also read a lot of artcles about reviving it with a towel but that just seems ridiculous. Has this issue been resolved one year later?
Care,
I went thru the same dillema as you. Though my bias was initially for the PS3. After much research I settled on the Xbox for the following reasons…
1. It’s aout gaming, way more games out there for the Xbox
2. More good games for the Xbox
3. Development costs for new games are mor for the PS3
4. The next year still shows more/better games coming out for the Xbox
If you know your son wants Xbox get him that, he can play online with his friends. It will be no fun for him playing a few good titles on PS3 by himself.
@Buser
No, it’s not outdated – in fact the GPU is a nice complete generation ahead of the ‘RSX’. The 10-year plan for the ps3 is hilarious to say the least. Maybe by then you might see some of this ‘potential’ that everyone’s trying to sell. Would you buy something else that costs hundreds of pounds just for it’s ‘potential’? Does an apple seed cost hundreds of pounds for it’s future potential? No.
All this ‘potential of blurry and the cell’ didn’t come up trumps with Lair – still a bad game. Heavenly Sword, still short. Orange Box, poor port. PES, poor port.
For a gaming machine that gives the best experience it’s not going to be the ps3. And i urge everyone i meet to understand that the ps3 is not the same deal as the ps1 and ps2, it’s a different beast altogether and they’re better off with a wii or 360, depending on their game preferences.
Things to Consider when buying a console.
1. Longevity
2. Games
3. Media Friendly
4. Graphics
The point is, looking at these 4 things AS OF RIGHT NOW, the Xbox 360 may have a strong hold. But as many have seen in the past year of game releases for the Xbox 360, it has basically plateaued, the graphics have not improved much, looking to the future, the Ps3 is only slightly behind the Xbox 360 as far as graphical interface goes, and its been established that the PS3′s capabilities have not even been nearly unlocked. With all that said and done, you dont buy a console for the right now, if you do thats stupid, just like with anything else, you look at it for your moneys worth. Will it continually improve, and get better and better, using and pushing technology to its limits, until its time for the next generation of gaming to break through. When A system pretty much looks the same close to 2 yrs after its release, its a good indication what the next 5-6 years is going to look like.
The PS3 is a system that will evolve with technology, and will continually get better. As stated countless times the PS1 and PS2 have both demonstrated this..
So it comes to this.
1. If you are looking for a system, that is basically playing to its full potential now, whose future in gaming is looking bleak, because of using DVD format, where games with bigger graphical interfaces, need more space on a Disk, so you’ll end up in the future buying games that come in 4 part disks. The xbox 360 is a great system for now. But mark my words in 3-4 years, Microsoft will need to come out with an upgraded Xbox to be able to keep pace with the PS3. The PS3 alone now is keeping pace with Xbox, soon it will blow it out the water.
I came into this article trying to figure out what was the best system to buy now. I honestly had a bit of an anti microsoft bias coming in, but after reading the article the 360 is the way to go now.
I think that in 18 months the ps3 will be cheaper, BlueRay drive technology will be faster than it is now, and developers will be better able to maximize the ps3′s potential, and the online capability of the ps3 will be much improved.
I’m not buying the HD dvd drive… still waiting for the dust to settle on the HD vs BD battle, but I do think it is wiser to have a sep High Def dvd player so you don’t put as many miles on your gaming machine… My new plan is to get a 360 now, and 18 months or so from now get a new and improved ps3…
Plus, right now there are 4 or 5 GREAT games on 360, ps3 is still lagging there but won’t be 2 years from now
great article. well done and alot of research, although still conviced microsoft will have more to add to the 360
A few important points regarding media support:
To my understanding, you can’t stream media to the PS3 making it pretty much worthless to many.
You can’t watch live TV or upcoming IPtv with the PS3 making it pretty much worthless.
While the interface under the console for 360 is bad, the MCX interface is quite nice, and most would say better than ps3′s so i dont see how he considers ps3 a better interface.
it’s a hard call. if you want the best games today then xbox has you by the balls. but sony has a long track recorded of the best quality on the market that no one has a good argument for. it will keep up with the gammers damans for a longer periord of time. I still want booth.
Another thing that I wished someone would bring up would be the massive consumption and improper disposal of ‘AA’ batteries both 360 and Wii are contributing.
I just had a mental thought on the mega millions of wii motes and wireless controllers for 360.
Think about this (i know there are ppl who use rechargeable batteries nimh ect. but i guarantee MOST ppl don’t use them)
SO here are the world wide sales of the consoles alone i’d say the average console has 2 controllers (i’ve heard more than 2 for wii console)
Wii: 14.91M – 30M wiimotes = 60 Million ‘AA’ Batt’s
360: 13.67M – 27M controllers = 56M ‘AA’ batt’s
PS3: 6.36M – 12.72M controllers = 0 ‘AA’ batts, 12.72M controllers when they die.
Nintendo DS and PSP both come rechargeable which is awesome.
PSP – 26.91M sold
DS – 56.94M sold
From a green standpoint. PS3 = the right choice. The battery/controller will die at one point (hopefully PS makes a program to recycle controllers, like a trade system), but it’s rechargeable and considerably shaves off that number of waster.
Has anyone else thought of this b4?
Who thinks the battery biz is doing just fine?
And who thinks something should be legally be implemented here. For instance a proper battery disposal system?
http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/en/myenvironment/home/batteries.php
I thought this info would be useful as well.
I’ve been debating for months which to buy, PS3 or 360, and although your article does not catagorically tell me which, it does point me in the right direction. In my opinion, a very unbiased script, Thank You.
Mike,
Thank you so much for your advice. I have been following everyone’s comments everyday and honestly, I am still confused. As you stated, he expressed that he would like the xbox 360 and perhaps I should just go with what he wants!!! I bought the ps3 on other people’s advice that it would be better in the long run and not cost for all the different extras that you need to get for the xbox 360. I have time before Christmas to continue to read what everyone keeps writing and exchange the ps3 if I decide for sure. I know one thing for sure….I don’t want to spend hundreds of dollars AGAIN in a couple of years! I truly do feel like screaming!! Thank you everyone for your knowledge and opinions, keep them coming! I will decide before Christmas morning!!!
@ Ben
“To my understanding, you can’t stream media to the PS3 making it pretty much worthless to many.
You can’t watch live TV or upcoming IPtv with the PS3 making it pretty much worthless.”
Where the hell do you get this rubbish?
1. You can stream media to the ps3 with either a mac or a pc.
2. You can watch tv on the ps3, it’s called playTV, and even stream it to your psp. Its a feature not available in the us yet because TV signals are still not digital.
As a matter of fact here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJQSAxqGCTU
This article is good but it’s just hampered by time. You can’t really compare the two consoles while the Xbox 360 has been out for 2 years and the PS3 has been out for 1, it’s just not fair if you’re comparing the range of selection of games. You should of compared what games and scores came out 1 year after the Xbox 360 came out and then compare them to what games have come out for the PS3. Oh by the way, you missed out Skate and NHL 08, both scoring 8s to 9s for each console
Care: If he specifically asked for a 360, that’s what he should get, IMHO.
When I got my SNES for Christmas one year, I can’t imagine how upset I would have been had my parents got me a Genesis instead… I would have been devastated! I loved the SNES and hated the Genesis…
Not saying that he will necessarily HATE the PS3, but if he really wants a 360, there are probably games that he WANTS to play that can only be played on that system. And perhaps his friends all have 360′s and he wants to play with them.
If someone strictly says that the PS3 is better than the XBOX 360, I don’t think they are giving very good advice.
I am trying to decide which console to buy for my boyfriend…I wanted to buy the PS3 because I (still stuck in the Super NES gaming world) am oblivious to all of this new technology and love the Rachet and Clank games only offered by Playstation…however my boyfriend is torn and is leaning more towards the Xbox 360 Elite Edition. He says that there is probably a better online experience with this console due to the fact that it comes with the silver membership and more people can and could afford it when the system was released so there wll be more people online to play with. I wanted the Blu-Ray though…Judging by this article I feel that the Xbox is currently a better purchase for your money but the PS3 will be a better investment…damn maybe I should buy him an Xbox and me a PS3…
If blu-ray is the reason you want a ps3 because you might have two or 3 dvds for your 360 vs one blu-ray disc. if you are too lazy to switch discs for a better quality game on the 360 then buy your crappy inferior graphiced ps3. the ps3 preforms at lower frame rates and with noticeable vertical tearing. so if thats your argument your just lazy.
Im a 360 fan to the fullest. Always have been always will. But if you know what blue ray is and how it can work in games then you have to be stupid not to know that this time next year ps3 will blow xbox360 out of the fuckin water PERIOD!!!!!!
Dark River: of COURSE you can compare a 1 year old console to a 2 year old console. To do anything else would be completely useless! After all, to someone buying a PS3 or an XBOX 360, it doesn’t matter when they came out. What matters is how they compare NOW. They aren’t going back in time and buying a console when it was 1 year old.
And why would I include Skate and NHL 08, when I am discussing exclusive titles, not multiplatform games?
I think you should re-read the article, I don’t think you really caught grasp of it.
I know at least for me I bought the XBox360 1st and it started off well but then I began having problems with it. I started watching movies on it on a regular basis and leaving it on sometimes all night, I began having problems trying to play my games, they wouldn’t load sometimes. So I traded my Xbox360 in and found out from the sales rep, that alot of people were having similar problems with the Xbox360. I bought a Playstation 3 because i think the quality of the machine is better and I never had a problem like this with my PS2.
So I have always been a die hard Playstation fan but with the introduction of the 360 I seriously thought about changing my mine. But I have to give credit to where it is due.
XBOX360:
The 360 has awsome online game play and is a great system. It has alot of exclusive tittles that I really want to play (ie. Bioshock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Dead Rising) But good thing fr me im still in college and my roomates have a 360. Also the graphics on the 360 are a little crisper on the 360 then the PS3. The textures are a little smoother and the contast is a little darker. But this is no reason for people to say that it is far supierior then the PS3. The reason why games look so shitty on the PS3 is that most of them have been ported. The exclusive games that did come out look really good. Now as far as content thats another story in itself. If you look at the 360 when it first came out it was having all the same problems PS3 is as far as framerates and content of games, but everyone some how managed to forget about that.
Also I personally believe that if i am going to invest hundreds unpon thousands (I buy alot of video games) of dollars on a gameing console I personally dont want something that is going to burn out and i have to have it shipped to get fixed. I have 4 friends that this is happened to and some of them it has happened multiple times.
Last point being that XBOX LIVE cost 50 bucks. If it isn’t bad enough that Microsoft selles everything seperatly (i.e. HD-DVD, WiFi adapter, etc) They are in it to make as much profit as possible which is a good business plan.
But all in all the 360 is a great console.
PS3:
Now I have alot of high hopes for this system as I have held out to buy it. I finally purchased one the other day and I am happy with my purchase. I really dont care if the characters aren’t as dark on my PS3 then on the 360 those little differences don’t bother me. The whole framerate issue most of the games are ported. Wait till PS3 games get ported, I’m sure we will be hearing the same problems on the 360.
The main reason why I bought the PS3 was that it is all new technology.
Blu-Ray is far superior or HD-DVD I have seen movies on both consoles and HD doesn’t even compair. Also all PS3 games are not on Blu-Ray which allows the games to be 1080p compatible even though most developers havent done this. Also the discs hold more information on the disc rather then 360 disc. Recently I have heard (*Rumor) that the levels on Killzone 2 (a PS3 exclusive) are about 2 GB of information. Thats not including anything else. So even if you have 6 or 7 levels thats 14 GB and theres no way the 360 can handle that.
Another reason is SIX-AXIS. If you haven’t played a game that allows you to play around with the six axis feature you have to try it. (Heavenly Sword was my first) It is a small little feature in the controles that allow for some extra fun during game play. If fully developed it has the potential to change gameplay.
Also a great feature to the PS3 is the ability to upgrade your hardrive. Who knows if you will ever need to but you always have the option to upgrade it to any size hardrive.
Finally, 2008 is going to be awsome for the PS3. You have Haze, MGS4, Unreal tourn.3 for now, KillZone 2, GOW 3 and a few other tittles coming out that are goign to blow us away. Just wait for the games that are designed just for the PS3 and it is goign to have 360 owners crying that thier systems can’t preform like this.
Sorry for the long blog but I am tired of hearing people whine over stupied stuff.
As for Care,
My parents were in the same situation you are in when the Xbox first came out. They bought be an Xbox for X-mas but my heart was dead set on PS2. They told me after the fact that they bought me the xbox system first but returned it after they saw i really wanted a PS2. In the end if I was to open up a xbox instead of a PS2 I would still be happy because it came from the heart and I know how much they sacraficed to by me something that expensive so that I may have a great X-mas. Its really up to you on what you want to do. Look at the facts and decide from there good luck.
I have both and I like them both but I spend more time gaming on the 360. I think the PS3 is coming around and I like some of their new games but for me that 2 or 3 games vs. many more great games on the 360 isn’t balancing out.
I’m tired of what-if and coming soons..I want right now and the 360 is right now AND coming soon vs. the PS3 mostly just coming soon.
There are so many little facets to each that can be argued.
Care- don’t believe all the things you are hearing about the 360 and it needing so many things extra… it doesn’t. The 360 comes with high def cables where the ps3 does not for instance($21 for the PS3 component cables). A 360 recharge pack runs $10 but I’ll tell you this..the charge lasts 3 to 4 times longer than my ps3 controllers.
Another thing you need to look at is the whole graphics argument. If you don’t have an hdtv it won’t matter and if you happen to have an earlier model 1080i hdtv then only the 360 is going to give you high def due to the built in image scaler. The ps3 does not have a scaler for ps3 games and you’ll get good ol’ 480p so keep that in mind. I had to go buy 2 new hdtvs due to both of my current hdtvs being “only” 1080i. Talk about a horrible out of the box experience (even though I was aware of it when I bought it).GRRRR.
Lastly..as of Dec 4th the 360 will have divx/xvid/mp4 playback while the ps3 is still waiting to get it. If you want those things on ps3 you need to buy a conversion program for your PC for PS specific encoding.
Of course that only matters if you want those media center capabilities but your 16 yr. old would probably enjoy being able to watch his Bleach downloads on his tv via the 360 rather than on his tiny computer screen.
Just some thoughts.
UMM dama i dont think so, ok you wouldnt get a freeking laptop over a ps3 or xbox 360 totally stupid you should jump off a cliff, im srry. I have the ps3 and its right i havnt seen the full potential yet, i am highlyyy anticipating HOME from the ps3, I CANT WAIT.
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I personally was totally planning to buy an X-box 360. I had the cash on hand, drove to Gamestop, and was about to purchase it, when I found out I needed to pay extra to get a hard drive with it, pay like $180 to get an HD-DVD player with it, and another $100 for a wireless adapter.
And so I made a comment to the guy, “Man, they sure get you on all the accessories.” And he responded, “Yeah, that’s why I prefer the PS3. Most titles are being released on both platforms now, but PS3 comes with much more out of the box.”
And I’m sooo glad to hear that from him, because I REALLY don’t like supporting M$.
Also, I read rumors of an Ace Combat 6 release on PS3 (I’m patient.), which was the only “exclusive” on xbox that I was interested in. Not only that, but I hear the dubs in it are utter garbage, and I’m hopeful that with blue-ray, there will be plenty of space to at least have an option like AC5, for Japanese (Or maybe they will redo the voices in English, since they have the time.).
To my surprise, they even had a used 60GB version (Full PSX/PS2 compatibility) for only $450.
Then to seal the deal, the guy told me that it uses a standard SATA laptop hard drive, which means that it’s incredibly cheap and easy to upgrade (Even my mom could do it, it’s so easy.).
So, since then, I’ve been LOVING my PS3! The first thing I did was download Yellow Dog Linux, and upgraded my HD to 160 GB. Since then I’ve been copying loads of anime to it from my Windows PC, and watching it in Linux (With the new Divx upgrade, I won’t even need Linux for a lot of it.). Plus I can easily browse the internet, and do pretty much everything my PC can do, except for play new PC games (Which is understandable. Sony makes its money off of PS3 game sales, so they limit access to the GPU in Linux.). And thanks to the built in wireless card, I don’t even need to run a cable to get internet access (Works perfect in Linux, too.).
I’ve also been enjoying the awesomeness of blue-ray disks, which is incredible compared to DVDs, and even bought the PS3 remote, so it functions just like a normal player.
Another cool little thing I like, is you can connect any USB storage device to it, and use it as a memory card (I’ve even saved games on my digital camera’s disk.).
As for games, I’ve been playing Warhawk like crazy. My best friend has an xbox, and I practically live over there, and after playing Halo 3 for a couple days, I got bored of it (Halo 1 was incredible, but Halo 2 started to get repetitive to me, and 3 just seems to be squeezing blood from a rock, IMO. Warhawk online play beats Halo 3′s ass! And it’s FREE!).
As for graphics go, I already heard that the latest multi-platform releases, look better in PS3 (Assassin’s Creed and The Darkness, were a couple I read about.). Yeah, it may be pretty even, but PS3 is getting better, whereas Xbox hasn’t really changed. And the things I’m hearing about FFXIII really gets my blood pumping. Supposedly it will only be using 4 out of the 7 cell processors (From what I read, no game has utilized even 4 of the processors yet.), but the in game graphics are rumored to be CG quality!
All I know is, every time I’ve gone to the game store, there have been too many new titles for me to buy (I have 8 games after only 2 months of having the system.), and I haven’t really noticed any Xbox exclusives that really catch my eye (I’m a huge RPG fan and it has a few exclusives in that regard, but nothing that I care for.)
In fact, my friend just purchased one of the $400 PS3′s at Best Buy, and not only did it come with Spiderman 3 on blue-ray, it also came with 5 additional blue-rays of his choice (He had to choose from a list, but it was a pretty damn good list.). That’s a $150 value, free!
Heh, I seriously could go on and on about how great the PS3 (as you can probably tell.), and I’m sure in the next year or so, it will begin to blow xbox out of the water.
And you’ll never need to buy an intercooler for PS3 – It’s a damn high quality machine, I guarantee it.
1) Because blue ray disc supports 1080p video doesn’t mean that games will be rendered at 1080p. Games aren’t films, the picture is generated. The 360 has the more powerful graphics processing.
2) BD picture is not better than HD DVD picture, they use the same transfers, codecs and, essentially, files. But HD DVD has more features.
3) Most people don’t want the accessories – i certainly didn’t and i love my 360.
4) the cell does not have multiple processors, it has a single processor with supporting SPEs, asymmetric and with at least one reserved for the GUI. 360 has 3 dual-thread processors.
The ps3 is no better than the 360 (especially as they’ve fixed the heat issues) and the games aren’t as many or of high a quality. Also if you want to take advantage of Live it’s the best service available, bar none.
* 1) graphics processor.
care i believe ur a great father and i encourage you to do what you think is right.. im wondering to buy my son a xbox 360 because his friends speak of a game called halo3 he says all his friends play online and have a great time, but do i want him to be in active and anti social…!! what is best for my son?
HD-DVD has more features? I have not heard of that anywhere, and I seriously doubt it, considering blue-ray IS the superior format.
Blue-ray already can hold more data than a HD-DVD, and can potentially hold up to 200 GB, whereas HD-DVD can never hold more than 60GB, theoretically.
Not only that, but contrary to popular belief, Microsoft isn’t a huge supporter of HD-DVD. Toshiba is the company that is mainly behind it, and though there may be many companies backing them, blue-ray actually has more companies (including film companies) pushing for its success.
Considering the fact that PS3 will be in so many homes (especially in the next year or so, when it blows Xbox away), tons of people will have a blue-ray player already. I think blue-ray is pretty well off.
HD DVD is a complete profile and has been from day one, with far more built into it from the get go.. Read up. Size of the disc doesn’t matter when you can get the fully featured films + more on the smaller 30GB disc.
Grant,
Sorry, I am a mother! I limit my son’s time on the computer and playing his games. He is involved in sports and he works at Dunkin Donuts. So, I don’t believe that the kids will be anti-social or inactive if we stay on them about keeping busy with other things.
THANK YOU everyone for continuing to give your advice! I am watching everyday for your comments and trying to make my decision!!!
Above someone mentioned the “Long Run”. Said, one must factor in Blu-Ray, because most games will be in that format in the near future.
I would say that is a very Bold statement. Though it is superior, the public must still accept it. I for one will never buy a Blue-Ray Dvd player. I have to much invested in my current DVD collection.
Its much the same as Beta vs. VHS, VHS prevailed even though it was inferior to Beta.
Anyhow, Im getting off subject. I also found this article to very helpfull. Answered almost all of my questions.
Though, I am 90% sure im going with the Xbox.
Tex:
Thank you for all of you great information! My thoughts right now are that he has friends that have the 360 and no one that has the ps3, so….perhaps he and his friends can share and he can have the best of both worlds! I believe that he will feel grateful either way, as you were, I just work so hard and want to spend my money wisely! (Don’t we all!!)
Thanks again!
Carl:
I agree, I just am not so sure he has taken a good look at ps3 and given it a thought, so that is why I am!
I believe he will be happy either way! I know I would be if someone spent that kind of money on me!!!!
Thanks for all your help!
i have both and dont side with either company but if i had to chose from a gaming point of view it would have to be the 360 by quite a margin.
Carl, Thanks very much for 2 great comparisons. I have a Xbox 360 that I bought in March 2007 and the screen freezes after a few minutes of being powered on. It was manufactured on 5/3/2006 so it was almost 1 year old when I got it. My friend suffered 4 RROD and got 3 refurbished consoles back, only to fail after being powered up. That said, I was going to send mines in and in the meantime, pickup a PS3, then sell the Xbox 360 when it comes back. But now, I’m going to pick up another Xbox 360, hopefully with a Falcon Chipset and sell the repaired unit when it returns from Microsoft. It’s beucase there’s so much more games and excellent ones I might add (Halo 3, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Bioshock, Orange Box, GRAW2, etc.) out there for the 360 than the PS3.
Check that the stock number is after 730 (through the hole at the back of the box).
Also if you buy your kid a ps3 when all his friends have 360s.. good luck repairing your relationship. The biggest factor for that one is that his friends are online there – no matter what system you play on if you’re playing with your friends then that’s what they want.
Also with the 360 you have very easy and powerful safety precautions for child accounts (read up on this!) and even a family timer coming in the firmware update next week allowing parents to moderate out (respectably) the time the account can play for per day/week – just don’t be draconian! some games have savepoints/checkpoints to get to.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/family101.htm?WT.svl=nav family settings for 360
… i can’t find information about that on the ps3.
Get an Xbox 360 now and wait till they “slimline” the PS3 [like they did with the ps1 & ps2] as you must admit the PS3 is a bit of a chunky beast at present. By then most issues should be ironed out. ;)
This is the most interresting article I’ve read on the subject. Thanks to all. Merry Xmas and happy gaming which ever route you take.;)
PS: Care you’re cool!!!
PS3 a chunky beast? Have you seen it side by side next to a 360? Going by looks, it’s way nicer, plus it doesn’t have the huge external power supply that Xbox has.
In the world of consoles, once you go black, you never go back :D
And I think Care is making a good choice. Live is no big deal if you can just go to their house and play. I have people over all the time to play my PS3, since only one of my friends has one. And when there’s ever an xbox game I’m interested in, I do likewise, with them. In the end I spend more time with friends thanks to my PS3, lol.
The only thing I could possibly think of that would be better than having a PS3, is having 2, or 3 of them :D
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Josh:
I LOVE YOUR COMMENT!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Care
I own both the xbox 360 and playstation 3. I’ve had my xbox for about a yr and half before i purchased my ps3 about 2 monthes ago.
XBOX 360: WHEN I FIRST PURCHASED THIS CONSOLE.. OH MAN, A NEW EXPERIENCE MOST DEF. NO LIE XBOX 360 HAS OPENED UP A NEW LIFE OF GAMING TO ME. SMOOTH GRAPHICS BEST ONLINE GAMEPLAY WITH ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKS AND RECOGNITION THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF HIT GAMES MANY GAMES THAT ARE OUT FOR BOTH XBOX AND PS3, XBOX ALWAYS SCORES .1 OR .2 MORE POINTS HIGHER.
PS3: THEN I BOUGHT A PS3; SLICK, BACK, SOLID, PS3. BEAUTIFUL MODEL. BEST ENTERTAINMENT PACKAGE WITH A GAMING CONSOLE. GRAPHICS WISE PS3 IS SHARPER AND USES BETTER COLOR COMBINATION.
I PLAY BOTH XBOX AND PS3 AND HONESTLY XBOX IMPRESSES WITH SO MANY GAMES THAT HAVE COME OUT WHILE PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE DISAPPOINTMENT IN PS3 AND ITS TITLES. KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, PS3 USES THE BLURAY TO RUN GAMES SO OF COURSE ITLL TAKE MORE TIME THAN THE XBOX WHICH RUNS ON DVDS. ONCE BLURAY GAMING IS UNLOCKED WHAT DO YOU GET? UNLIMITED BOUNDARIES FOR GRAPHICS TO IMPROVE. sure xbox is ownin and ninja gaiden to moved to xbox but in the long run (who knows how long, and i am impatiently waiting) the ps3 will reign. and even though there arent much games for ps3.. i fell in love with the ps3 the first day i got it and rejected my xbox for a month and even now prefer the ps3.
Just a little food for thought. I own both systems and love them both. Xbox does have an edge when in the online dept. I think the games are identical in the graphics dept. Even the HDDVD vs Blu Ray is pretty even except for the obnoxiously loud ass XBox. But, I’m now really starting to play my PS3 alot more now. In fact I haven’t touched my 360 since August 25th. Actually, it went down with the dreaded red ring of death. I have sent it in to be repaired and have screamed and cursed and jumped through hoops with Xbox customer service. They told me to send in a receipts, which I did and still have not received my unit back yet. I can’t watch my HD DVDs or play my new Halo 3 game which I preordered. Instead, it has been collecting dust while everyone of my friends have been playing and enjoying the game. I heard it’s really good. By the time I get to play it, everyone else will be over it or be able to crush me. The funny part is that I still have both PS1,2 and Dreamcast and they all still work fine. My 360 barely made it a year and a half. My brother bought his used through EB and his lasted 3 months. Luckily he purchased the warranty and got a replacement that didn’t even fire up. In fact he had gone through 5 units at the store before they found one that would fire up. I spoke to several people that work at Gamestop and they said they have all had theirs replaced 2 to 3 times already. They said that Xbox doesn’t know how to even repair them. That’s pretty comforting, don’t you think. I know 2 other people that received there units back and one came back with the red ring and the other lasted a week. So if you would like a nuetral opinion, save yourself the headache and get yourself a PS3. Especially if you want the best Blu Ray player on the market.
I have to say get an Xbox 360 for now. Why would you pay full price for a PS3 when it does not have very many great games going for it right now. Wait a few years down the road when it goes for about $300 or less. The Xbox 360 has alot more going for it right now anyway with Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Bioshock. The PS3 on the other hand has only Ratchet and Clank and Drake’s Fortune. I do have to say I have had problems with my 360, (I am on my 3rd.) but I had no hassles getting it fixed or replaced. My first had the RROD. I still had the Best Buy warranty on my first one and was able to get it replaced the same day. (Always get the warranty lol!). My second one also suffered the Red Ring of Death so I sent it into Microsoft and they sent me a new console within 3 weeks! It was manufactured October 30th so it should be safe. Now I play it almost everyday with my friends!
Why does everyone act like PS3 only has 2 games on it? lol
First of all, most games are on both systems.
Second, there’s plenty of other great games like Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, etc, if you simply want to go by exclusives.
Personally, I feel that since Xbox only has a handful of exclusives over PS3, that are any good, it’s not really a huge deal. MOST games are on both systems, and PS3 is more reliable, comes with more capabilities, and will definitely get some more awesome exclusives in the future.
And I don’t know what the big deal is about Xbox Live, that everyone seems to say is better. It takes me much longer to get into Halo 3 games at my friends house, than it does for me to get into a Warhawk game. And I end up spending way too much time waiting in lobbies, just to be put into a stupid game with stupid rules in a map that is a copy of a Halo 2 one.
In Warhawk, I am usually in a game within 30 seconds to 1 minute after the game menu screen. And unlike Halo, Warhawk supports up to 32 players at once, and only has 30 seconds or so between rounds, so you don’t have to wait to get into another game once it’s over.
And I’ve seen no problems with the in game chat system. Just pick up a blue ray headset and you can talk just as easily as you can on Xbox Live.
And the best part is that it’s free! As I like to say…Stuff always tastes better when it’s free. :)
I think everyone should take their broken xbox 360s to microsoft and chuck them through the windows or at the people who firstly have ruining computing and are now trying to remove any fun from owning a console (by conning you on the extras like wireless or hd dvd and by making them so that they break after a year if your lucky) Im happy with my ps3, much better online (free, you actually get a browser and playstation home is going to be a serious rival to live), games may be a tiny bit behind but are catching up very fast, controller + its more reliable. Did enjoy playing on my friends 360 untill it rrod. One thing i really want now is a psp, so I can access my ps3 files anywhere with a wireless connection and convert all my ps1 games for it.
Also, congrats edhe, you have managed to locate just 1 obscure feature present in the 360 but lacking from the ps3. Also the new media formats arent all about film, sure you can fit a hd movie perfectly on a 30gb hd dvd, but you can fit 2 or 3 movies, and whatever else you might want on a 100gb blu-ray – just as soon as either technology become reasonably priced for pcs the cheapness of hd-dvd will be a false economy (like buying an xbox360 instead of a ps3) -blu-ray is already cheaper than hd-dvd, unless you just buy the cheapest hd-dvd drive you can find on ebay then it would be cheaper to get a ps3 with bluray built in.
Xbox 360 is WAY too LOUD. I bought one Nov 2007 and am returning it. I bought the HD DVD player so in total I paid over 590 (399[premium]+170[hdplayer]+20[hdmi cable]). I’m not a hardcore console gamer (prefer computers for their depth) so I expect my console to be more than just a game machine. The 360 as a HD player is simply too loud. Even when playing a game the noise is excessive and distracting – it doesn’t need to be that way.
As a platform I’m sure that the 360 will be fine. If I were a betting man I would say that in the long run xbox + HD DVD will end up with more market share than PS3 & Blu-Ray. I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if the Wii ends up the winner as it improves its graphics. The gameplay on the wii is simply at a much higher level.
Back to my point… if you plan on buying a 360 for its HD player, forget it and either go with a dedicated HD DVD player or get a PS3 with Blu-Ray.
MattD
“So it comes to this.
1. If you are looking for a system, that is basically playing to its full potential now, whose future in gaming is looking bleak, because of using DVD format, where games with bigger graphical interfaces, need more space on a Disk, so you’ll end up in the future buying games that come in 4 part disks. The xbox 360 is a great system for now. But mark my words in 3-4 years, Microsoft will need to come out with an upgraded Xbox to be able to keep pace with the PS3. The PS3 alone now is keeping pace with Xbox, soon it will blow it out the water.”
If the Xbox360 goes strong for 4 more years, that will have given it a cycle of 6 years in total which is on par with the average console life cycle if not a little bit longer.
u say 360 is better but u leave out that it gets the ring of death on every one just about and that it needs a inter cooler or it wont work. list the bad stuff to next time plz
All this arguing back and forth is pointless. Not everyone cares about accesories and Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Most should care about games first and everything else second. I think consoles are becoming too much like computers nowadays as it is. I use my Xbox 360 to play games first and listen to music next and movies last. As far as games go now I think the Xbox 360 is better IMO right now. Maybe later down the road the PS3 may be better. Who knows? What is really hurting the PS3 right now is the absence of a Final Fantasy game right now. Final Fantasy X was a very important title for the PS2 at the beginning.
Oh I also forgot to mention do not listen to the analysts who say the PS3 will dominate later in 08. They said the PSP would slaughter the DS but that has yet to happen.
I may get a PS3 in a couple years, but my 360 has given me two unforgettable ones already. While the debate goes on… I am going to play Mass Effect over and over.
peace
P.S. – Best article on the topic. By Far!
does the 360 have wifi or do you have to plug in an internet cable?
So I would say this is the best and most comprehensive comparison I have seen to boot. The only thing I would add are the new games PS3 is offering now and to come. Reading through your list it didn’t include many games that I am sure were not released at the time. I am a poor man, and cannot afford much, so I need to make sure to make the right decision, and unfortunately this really didn’t help too much, even though it was the best comparison. I guess they are both great consoles, and to each his own.
Why would I want an XBox 360 if all their good games are on PC? A 24″ LCD already has higher resolution than a 1080i/p HDTV. Not to mention better graphics period. I can spend $100~$150 on a graphics card and play all the top games on the 360 (and yes, Halo 3 will come out), which are all shooters that belong on the PC to begin with (mouse and keyboard)!
At least Sony makes an attempt at mixing things up and making their console a console (six axis controller, a lot of gadgets, PS Eye, DDR, etc…). If Guitar Hero wasn’t so popular on the PS2, there is no way Microsoft would’ve picked it up. All Microsoft wants to support are PC shooters and Madden/NCAA Roster Updates.
Here’s my update on my frozen Xbox 360. Yeah, it’s the initial 1st generation, not Zepher, not Falcon but 1st gen offering from Microsoft. The mfr date is 5/3/2006 and I bought it on March 2007 so it was sitting in Amazon.com’s warehouse for almost a full year. I called MS Xbox Tech Support today and amazingly, waited 20 minutes before speaking to a polite gentlemen from India. I’m guessing MS outsourced their tech support to India. He checked my serial number and it showed the warranty expired last week. I expalined I bought it this past March and have the official receipt to show. He gave me a Repair ticket number and said a box with prepaid shipping is on it’s way in 3-5 days and it will take 3-4 weeks to get it back. So far so good and at least shipping is prepaid. Most stuff you buy these days if it breaks while under warranty, you have to pay for insured shipping. I bought a PS3 in the meantime. I’m not a fanboy of either, just each have cool games and that’s the reason for all this, the games. When the Xbox comes back, I can’t wait to finish Mass Effect and the Orange Box. In the meantime, I’ll be playing Call of Duty 4 and Uncharted: Drake’s Treasure and possibly Assasin’s Creed on the PS3.
Happy Holidays to all!
honestly i am very confussed. i have no clue which one to get. any ideas?
Buy which ever one you think is best by reading the article and the comments on this page.
I’m a novice when it comes to all this new technology. But what I do know is the new generation gaming console, PS3 & Xbox 360 are not cheap. It appears, through reading several other postings, that the Xbox 360 has pretty much reached its limits when it comes to graphics, gameplay, and overall ability. The PS3 with the release of Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, MGS4?, and Uncharted: Drakes’s Treasure is starting to scratch the surface with its potential. And its scary when everybody is saying there is so much more potential in the PS3. To say the expected, I’ve owned a PS1, PS2, and now the PS3. I’m very happy with the games that are out right now, and I even get more exited when I here whats in store for the system in years to come.
So to sum up my post. It appears the Xbox 360 my be a little better now and a great buy for the impatient gamer. But to me it does not make rational sense to fork out so much money on a system that appears to have plateaued in just 2 years. Common sense told me to purchase the PS3 and I’m a very satisfied customer.
Okay, so I’m sick of everyone saying how XBOX 360 has better games.
Because everytime they give examples it’s always: Gears of War, Halo 3, Half-Life 2 (since it came out earlier), BioShock)
BUT ALL OF THESE ARE FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS.
Look at the diversity of the PSE major Exclusives.
Final Fantasy 13 (RPG)
Haze (First Person Shooter)
Gran Turismo 5 (Racing)
Ratchet and Clank (Platformer)
Metal Gear Solid (Action)
Resident Evil (Action)
Warhawk (Sci Fi)
Well, aside from a handful of games like Kotor, I always thought of the original Xbox as being first person shooter-centric. That’s why Live has evolved into what it is. Besides, perhaps, MMORPGS and RTS games, first person shooters are the best suited for multiplayer.
But honestly, aside from the large amount of people that play Halo 3, I see no superiority over PS3 online play (not even counting the cost.). But even so, at least from what I’ve seen from Warhawk, as I mentioned earlier, I actually see no problems at all. I get into games more easily and have never once experienced lag.
To be honest, I don’t understand why people even find Halo 3 to be such a good game. I think a lot of it is just bias and marketing.
It’s like Star Wars Episode III. Episodes I and II were crap, but everyone still went to see Episode III. If there had been a better sci-fi film showing at the same time, Star Wars would still have attracted more people.
I still honestly believe that Warhawk is a better game than Halo 3. I have yet to read a fair review on it. The only reviews I’ve read on it were obviously by people who totally sucked at it, and didn’t play it for very long. Since it’s an online only game, you basically get baptized by fire, which I’ll admit can be semi-frustrating for some, but is also a totally new experience, which is what I really liked.
I guess the only reason you may like Halo 3 over Warhawk, is if you’re more interested in the single player story (Which I didn’t find that interesting, and played through on Heroic setting, in less than a handful of hours.).
Unlike Halo 3, Warhawk is totally original. Halo 1 was amazing, and a memorable game for me, but since then Bungie has produced nothing new and original, and has just milked the cash cow, that which is Halo.
Oh, and you forgot to mention Drake’s Uncharted Fortune, Mikey. I haven’t played it yet, but I hear it’s ridiculously good with a very good story. It’s an adventure game, and the first good one I know of on any of the new systems.
Also, a lot of people have their eyes on the new RPG that is coming out, called White Knight Chronicles, which is being made by a company with an incredible track record. There’s also another couple games that are supposedly gonna be big, called Killzone 2 and LittleBigPlanet, but to be honest, I don’t know much about them, myself.
I think the fact that Square-Enix has stated that they have absolutely no plans for making further games on Xbox 360, shows a lot of promise for PS3. Square-Enix is behind quite a few games with household names, and is also generally at the forefront of graphics quality. And Sony themselves have a pretty damn good reputation, with games Like God of War; I’m certain they will not fail to impress me in the future with their new releases.
And then there’s that “Home” thing. I haven’t looked into it much myself, but I have heard that Sony is banking on it quite a bit, so I assume it has to be pretty interesting.
Err, Mikey JamJams, did you not read the article. It clearly states the 360 exclusives and you’ll see they are not all FPS:
XBOX 360
Title Developer GameRankings Score
Ace Combat 6 Namco
Beautiful Katamari Namco
BioShock Irrational Games
Blue Dragon Mistwalker
Call of Juarez TechLand
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars EA Los Angeles
Crackdown Real Time Worlds
Dance Dance Revolution Universe Konami
Earth Defense Force 2017 Sandlot
Eternal Sonata Tri-Crescendo
F.E.A.R. Files Timegate Studios
Forza Motorsport 2 Microsoft
Fuzion Frenzy 2 Hudson Soft
Halo 3 Bungie Studios
Kengo: Legend of the 9 Genki
Mass Effect BioWare
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja Ubisoft
Overlord Triumph Studios
Project Gotham Racing 4 Bizarre Creations
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action Screenlife/WXP
Shadowrun FASA Interactive
Tetris Evolution Mass Media
Vampire Rain Artoon
To choose the right console right now you need to ask yourself 2 questions:
1) Which game do I want to play right now?
Do you want to play Bioshock right now? Then buy the console that has the game.
And for fucks sake, dont buy a console(ps3) because you think the nice games comes out in a year or so.. Because in that year or so the console will be a lot more cheaper. And alot can happen.
BUY YOUR CONSOLE AFTER WHICH GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY RIGHT NOW! And dont think on the future.
2) What do I want with a console ?
A: Watch HD-movies? Then the ps3 is better.
B: Do you want to chat and play with your friends online? Then the xbox360 is better.
C: Do you just want some random gaming? Then the Xbox360 is the winner again. Fact is more exclusive titles and a ton of games, mostly of them are great. And cheaper by the way.
Good article.
I’ve had the Xbox 360 for about a year, and bought the PS3 shortly after release date, and I’ve also got a Wii.
I constantly play my 360, for me (at the present time) it’s a much better system – better controller, better online play, better game selection. Also, I have NEVER had a problem with reliability – hasn’t missed a trick. It is rather noisy though.
My PS3 on the other hand, well it’s just gathering dust. Which is a shame seeing as how much it cost. I have played a couple of movies on it, which do look good – but I bought it for gaming. RFOM is OK, and Motorstorm gets boring after a day or two. I can’t wait for Final Fantasy 13(?) to come out, and will check out GTA and MGS – but apart from that (like the article said) there aren’t many unique games to the system. (Ratchet and Clank isn’t my type of game).
I recommend the 360 to anyone thinking about buying a console today, IMO it’s the more rounded of the two consoles.
(Side-note: I had a PS1, PS2 and never bought the original Xbox – I’m not a fanboy).
It confuses me why people think that the 360 has reached it’s limits. Did the ps2 reach it’s limits after 2 years? …no.
Even though developers say they’re ‘using all the power’ you can use all the power of any cpu with a few cheap instructions. Any console will develop in graphics and audio as it’s lifetime progresses due to improved coding & understanding.
We’re quite far from seeing the full potential of either consoles, and also the wii
The PS3 is what I picked up @ launch. In making my decision I looked at the overall cost of the product. Sure it was a little pricey and yes I wish I would have waited a little longer to purchase it. All in all though I went with the PS3 and here are my reasons why.
1. Free online-
Now although XBLA may be better. The amount I play online doesn’t add up for me to sign up for an account and pay that $79.00 /year for.
2. Blu-ray-
HD-DVD is losing the HD war (thank god) I didnt want to shell out extra cash ($179.99) for the HD-DVD player when it came standard on the PS3
3. Built in WiFi-
Xbox sells another add-on for $99.00 again comes standard on PS3
4. Web Browser-
Not very important for me since I have a cpu but its a second option for me when my g/f is using the computer at least I can still surf. (and not worry about viruses! ^^)
5. Bluetooth capability-
no bluetooth technology on the xbox
6. It’s quiet-
After hearing my friends 360 whine real loud when on then hearing the PS3 its like night and day. Who wants to hear a fan while watching a movie? Anyone?
7. Helping to Cure Cancer-
Folding@home is really cool and I’m able to help even if its a small contribution
I’m happy I bought my PS3 and with all the awesome exclusives starting in early ’08 with MGS4. I can’t wait.
We have both PS3 and Xbox 360. The article is right; Xbox360 gets better graphics with much more choices of cool games. PS3 is more or less a blu-ray HD movie player, it is a nice piece of gear, that Sony has been forcing it down our throats! We would not have bought the PS3, if it wasn’t for the hype. We still spend much more game time with the Xbox 360…
I love the sports games (Ncaa football, madden, hockey, etc.) Which system is better for graphics, sound? Also, do the sports games have the same features on both systems?
Everyone keeps saying the graphics are worse on the PS3 than the Xbox, based on that stupid Gamespot article.
Well, to be honest, that article is mostly comparing multi-platform games that no one cares about anyways. Also, most of the differences are negligible (which is actually pretty surprising since the games were just ported.). But even on that list, Oblivion, which is the BEST game on that list, looks better on the PS3. And did you notice why? Because they didn’t just port it over. They actually took the time to make use of the PS3′s capabilities.
And most importantly, that list is old. Most of the new multi-platform games look better on PS3, including Assassin’s Creed, the Darkness, and a great deal in Devil May Cry 4 (I read that the Xbox version has tearing and is very noticeably worse.). Developers are finally getting better at taking advantage of the PS3.
Not only that, but that comparison didn’t even compare the graphics quality of exclusives.
My friend bought a PS3 this month, and hasn’t been playing his Xbox since then. He even got Mass Effect, and is a hard core Kotor fan, but still has been only enjoying Warhawk and Assassin’s Creed on his PS3 :D.
And speaking of Mass Effect…I just read that Bioware was bought by EA – I guess I won’t expect any more good games out of them, since they joined the axis of evil, heh (Though I also heard Bungie broke off from M$…haha!).
The Tinka,
I know that list has a lot of non FPS games, but I was talking about the major appealing exclusives for 360 are mainly first person shooters. I’ve never heard anyone hype the non-first person shooters on XBOX.
PS3 is the far better console. It does much more and the games that are coming out look and play much better. The all the Xbox owners, you will probably be buying another Microsoft console in years to come when the PS3 reaches its full potential. Oh, and Blu-ray is much better than HD-DVD!!!
MMmmmm tastes like troll!
First of all, let me say thank you for taking the time to post a fair and balenced report without any “fanboy” feelings.
I have been a gamer since the days of Pong. I have purchased pretty much EVERY system since then (much to my wife’s dismay), so I feel I am pretty knowledgable (and impulsive). With this HD generation of gaming systems, I bought the 360 when it came out and now have 3 of them in my house networked (mine and two teenagers) so it is an expensive hobby everytime a must-have game comes out, I get 3 copies. Last year I bought the Wii system (have bought a Nintendo system for each Zelda game) and although the sports game that comes with it is entertaining, I only use it about once a month for gaming and a couple times to check weather, news and watch youtube videos. Last year, I said there was NO WAY I would buy the PS3 (after playing a friends system) due to the cost and return on investment. I usually play solid for over 3-4 days at a time when a new game is released, but then I will go a few weeks with no interest or time for playing any system. I bought the HD DVD attachment, and though it isn’t as nice as a “built-in” component, it is nice that if I need to replace that portion due to the amount of use, the price is now $139.00. Another feature is that it can be used with any computer for HD-DVD viewing. This article now has me back on the fence and although I almost imulsively went to buy the PS3 for the Blue-ray feature (have to cover the bases in that format war – I have XM & Sirius side-by-side in my vehicle too)I feel that the best thing is to wait another year and get it for Christmas ’08.
Once, again, thank you for taking the time to provide this comparision to help people make an informed decision.
Follow up: The games that we have had the most fun playing unfortunately aren’t readily available anymore – or at least not being made. We enjoyed the games that actually make you think. Lucas Arts was great at making games under this genre. Anyone know if games like Monkey Island series, Maniac Mansion, Grim Fandango, etc will be made again? These games on ANY system would be the system I would play the most! First person shooters are fun, but after awhile, it’s nice to relax and exercise the brain with puzzle solving games. Even Tomb Raider & Resident evil started out that way, but unfortunately evolved into more shooting and just used the “canned” pull a lever / push a crate sequences instead of creating actual “puzzles” to solve.
If any of you guys plan on getting a PS3, get it now while there are still some 60GB models out there. It is fact that the 60GB model is the best one out of the 4 models released, and I think it was a stupid move on Sony’s part to discontinue it.
Anyway, the Xbox 360 and PS3 are both top notch consoles. I already have an Xbox 360, and I have only one complaint, which is common among 360 owners, and that is the system runs pretty loud, ESPECIALLY when playing a 360 game. God, it almost drowns out every other sound in the room other than my TV (turned up loud of course).
Anyway, if you’re a hardcore gamer, for now I would recommend the Xbox 360. It’s got a large, solid library of games that you are bound to enjoy. Xbox Live is simply amazing, with a community of 7 million + users worldwide. You can download HD movies and other goodies from the Xbox Live Marketplace, which was recently updated to include a new section called Xbox Originals, from which you can download original Xbox games. That feature for the most part defeats the disadvantage of limited backwards compatibility with Xbox games. You can interact with your PC from your Xbox 360 if you have the proper OS and software on your PC to do so. Windows XP SP1 or higher, Media Center, and Vista will do.
However, if you’re a multimedia madman, I would go for the PS3. It’s got Blu-ray for HD quality video and audio (7.1 surround sound FTW), and it supports just about every video and audio codec out there (that is, in the 60GB model). Plus, Blu-ray, ironically, has a greater library of movies, as opposed to HD DVD. So if you’re big on watching movies and like to see them in high picture resolutions, the PS3 is for you. The only disadvantage for the most part is its lack of quality games, or exclusives for that matter. Resistance: Fall of Man and Warhawk are I think the only two solid PS3 exclusives. There is Call of Duty 4 and upcoming Unreal Tournament 3, but those are also on Xbox 360 (UT3 will be ported onto X360 later this year or in 2008). You can upgrade the HDD, and there are plenty of USB drives and flash drives for your multimedia pleasures.
I’m not a Microsoft or Sony fanboy. I love to play videogames, regardless of what console I’m playing it on. In fact, the Xbox 360 is my first console from Microsoft. Before that I had a PS2, which I actually still have and plan to upgrade to a 60GB PS3 (if I can find one that’s relatively cheap).
I do recommend getting a Xbox 360, it is cheaper and it will give you an awesome gaming experience. However, if you do want a PS3, go online and try and find a 60GB model, it IS THE BEST MODEL TO DATE. The 40GB and 80GB models are shitty and a waste of money. When I do finally save up enough I’m gonna try and find a 60GB model from ebay or Amazon at a relatively cheap price (which I know is very unlikely–PS3s don’t come cheap, excluding the 40GB model).
Thank you for a wonderful review. I had initially though of buying a 360, and now my mind is made up, they are cheaper and are better suited to my needs.
Great reveiw but the Ps3 does still run ps2 games cos i got one yesterday (10/11)
and iv got an xbox360 and the blu-ray has a huge impact on the 360 cos of the clearness of the games and i loved the 360 untill i couldn’t play my old xbox games onit apart from halo2 and 1!!!
my verdict ps3=8/10
xbox360=7/10
To all the ps3 fans out there Do you know what date “Metal Gear Solid:Guns of the patriots” comes out in ENGLAND”??
The 360′s a quality product don’t get me wrong but the ps3 is more interesting to look at and has a graet *sixaxis* control scheme which works brilliantly.
cheers
!!SPURS24/7!!
What is wrong with the 40GB and 80GB models? For 90% of people, they are just fine. About the only thing you might care about, that the 40GB doesn’t have, is backwards compatibility. But most people already have a PS2, so it doesn’t really matter.
If the 40GB is a “waste of money” then I don’t even want to know what the poorly built Xbox 360 is (A boat anchor?). Xbox fans sure talk big for a system that didn’t even last a year without breaking.
I’ve always been observing the rivalry between these 2 consoles (and companys) and i’ve just been realalizing how big it actually is. Miscrosoft and sony are at each others necks and so are there fans that follow them… any reveiw you find either in favor of ps3 or 360 will compleatly exagerate and create rumors of there rival choice. i myself have always been a fan of sony, i grew up with the ps1 and ps2. and i always thought the ps3 when i came out would wipe away any other compitition. And then i relaize even though i dont really want to acept it, that there both really amazing consoles supercomputers if you will, but with everything the 360 has, i think the thing that makes the ps3 a truly next-generation system as well as the ps1 and 2 is the ability to upgrade and adapt, rendering the sytem never really obsolete. and with the capabilities it has, the things we havent been able to utalize yet it will continue to advance and elvolve whereas the 360 will not be able to. and this is one more thing i’ve been thinking about. if theres so many flaws to it why do they make another system (now i know that,that would pis the customers of) actuallty not neccisarily another system but something like the elite for 360. in time if they where to master the arcitecture of the system and utilizer the newest technology they could create something that would really wipe out the other compitition.
when most people talk about the 360, they forget thatit did have a year head start on the ps3 so when they realesed it through reveiws customer satisfation ect. they where able to revise the bluprint of the system and improve it. however with the ps3 coming out later than the 360 they timproved the little but important things that they thought would disatisfy the customer, perfected the arcitechture, and modernized the features. when the 360 came out, it came out before its time, where they tried to pack to much equitment into it that it couldnt handle thus eventually failing. But the reason everyone says that the ps3 will become better in time is because of this. Sony will learn what they initially did wrong about there system, eventually improving everything slowy, and there able to because they put so much extra that usually wouldnt be needed allowing room for improvement. thats why as the 360 reaches its peak forcing microsoft to make newer systems ps3 will evolve and become the superior next-generation system…
my very long point is, that there both incredible systems and no matter which one you want to get no matter who you are i’m sure you would be satisfyed.
Thanks for the great article.
I’m one of those gamers who usually waits a couple years after a new console comes out for (a) the price to drop, and (b) a handful of great used games to be available cheap. So, I’ve just been watching this unfold from a distance. I did pick up a Wii and figured that could tide me over for a year or two. But now with more good games coming out and the recent price drops, I’m starting to pay more attention.
I never bought an original xbox because I hate Micro$oft, and the GC and PS2 were enough for me. But over the past year the 360 has pretty clearly been the “winner” over the PS3 in reviews such as this one. So, I’ve been thinking for some time now that this time I may indeed go with the 360 even though I hate giving the evil M$ my money. :-)
But as someone else said in an earlier comment, I think the one thing this review missed on was the price comparison. Given that the PS3 already comes with WiFi, it starts to look like the (much?) better value if you are at all interested in high-definition video. I personally won’t be watching much Blu-Ray soon if I pick up a PS3, but having the option for the future without having to buy an add-on accessory is quite nice.
So, since I’m more inclined to go for Sony over Microsoft anyway, the big factor for me is how much of a better gaming experience will you have on the 360? All other things aside, that is after all why I want one of these things. If I was going to buy one today I would probably give in to M$ and get the 360 because it did have the head start and is still in the lead in terms of gameplay and number of titles, as these reviews continue to point out. But, in another 4 or 5 months (or whenever it is) that I actually cave in and get one of these things, I’m starting to think for the first time that I might go with Sony. I’ll look closely at how the cross-platform games continue to compare on the two systems over the next few months as developers get more used to the PS3 system. If the comparisons are close, then the fact that I prefer Sony over M$ will probably win out. If 360 looks like it will stay in the lead for some time, I will suck it up and go with M$.
Not really one for these forums but needed to research opinion prior to making a decision on what to do.
After spending a week mulling over my options here is my PERSONAL opinion.
I only ever used sony and went from playstation 1 to 2 without even considering any other console (why would I).Always believing that they were the finest games console makers and by far the cleverest when it came to marketing etc etc.
Obviously my confidence in them was shook after a pretty poor campaign following delays and setbacks.
This led me to purchase a xbox360 and I have to say I was extremely impressed considering the first game I played was Gears of war.The online gaming was surperb and to be honest had no complaints other than a very noisy console that got a bit too hot for my liking.
BUT!!!
Last weekend my xbox died a slow death,the drive packed up and I had to replace it or accept store credit.And because the 40gig version of playsttion 3 was now down to £300.00 got me thinking.
In the end after reading most of this forum and speaking to as many gamers and enthusiasts as possible I decided on the ps3, not because its necessarily better at the moment but because potentially it could be by far the superior console.
After I set it up and played a little pro evo 2008 and nhl2k8 (2 games I also owned for the xbox360)My girlfriend entered the room to find me on my knees praying for forgiveness for ever betraying playstation in the first place.
Simply put the graphics and gameplay were much better,sharper and smoother.
This is not a us versus you rant,I dont take sides just offer a personal opinion to try and help anyone in the same position as I was.
Playstion3 will definitely not dissapoint anyone and I have a feeling that by the end of next year sony will be having the last laugh.
Potential is nothing if it isn’t unlocked. So far PS3 has done nothing to impress me since its release. How long does it take Sony to get their sh** together? You can buy PS3 because of potential or you buy a 360 that already has many excellent games released:Halo3, Mass Effect, Bioshock and many others.
*sigh*
I’m a gamer, I have a 360. Call me a fanboy, I don’t care, but why would you buy a console simply because it has potential for the future? Isn’t that what you all said one year ago??
So maybe next year the PS3 *might* be good? I don’t understand why people are loading up on PS3′s when the 360 has the advantage NOW.
I know everyone hates Microsoft, but is Sony any better? Does it make you happy to give them money because their commercials are better? I don’t get it.
welll letsss see ive had a wii and 360
360 is the best system out right now
ps3 has like what 25 games?
ahah
wii is alright wish they would make games that arent for 8 year olds lol
n ps3 i think ps3 personally sucks right now i mean whoopie its got all this power when are they gonna use it i mean sure it will prolly get mad good in the coming years(maybe if they stop ripping hardware out) i mean come on it cant even play ps2 anymorE!
but i think id rather have a ps2 then a ps3 right now
Just wanted to add…
BY the time the PS3 Lives up to it’s full potential, consider the fact that this will be 2009, and a 512mb console is going to be old news, we’re all going to be looking for the next good thing.
PS3
360
USB Controller using A to Mini B
One Included
Cost: $3
USB Controller using Proprietary ‘Play n’ Charge Kit’
Not Included
Cost: $30
HDMI & Blu-Ray Out of the Box
HDMI Recently Added
HD-Dvd sold seperately ($150.00)
Sold in three kits with HDD Size and Controller Ports as options
Sold in two kits, with HDD size and Color as options
2.5" SATA2 HDD available from any computer parts store, in any size you’d like.
Proprietary 360 HDD available in set sizes, as carried by specific stores (Small computer shops need not apply)
Controller comes with built in battery
Controller uses external battery (play n’ charge kit?)
Slowly and Steadily Growing Library
Handful of high quality exclusive games
Exponentially Grown Library of non exclusive titles
Handful of high quality exclusive games
It should be noted that at this point, several developers have jumped ship back and forth and it doesn’t seem like anybody is making anything worthwhile and exclusive at this point in time.
Accepts any peripheral that works with computer, including:
Steering Wheels, Keyboards, Mice, Digital Cameras, USB Thumb Drives, Blu Tooth Devices (Headset), etc..
Accepts only Microsoft Endorsed 360 Peripherals
(Microsoft Headset? $25)
Allows limited customization of interface and profile
Allows extremely limited customization of profile (gamertag and picture)
Allows secondary operating system to be installed for game production or just messing about
S O L
Operating System seamlessly integrates with any game without stutter or frame drop
Never seen the menu pop up without stutter and frame drop
Can play movies out of the box
Requires DVD remote
Highly advanced CPU capable of multitasking as no other chip to date
Intel? And Windows!
Sleek Heavy Casing That Commands Authority!
Sleek White Case with Hourglass Figure… and no breasts.
No Combusting Parts
Keep a Fire Extinguisher on Hand
Does this accept HTML?
Lol…
Oh yeah, the PS3 can connect to my PC using RedKawa and I can download ANYTHING I want to my PS3.
360 requires some Media Center, or the web browser and some elbow grease.
Hey, if you’re buying a 360, just don’t expect it to do anything fancy like I can with my PS3.
Cost is an issue? Just add up all the little extras you’ll be buying to complete your 360 experience.
Also, graphics?
No difference.
It’s all in the developer, and I’ve seen Assassins Creed side by side comparison between PS3 and 360.
No difference.
Ubisoft for the win!
kilted gnome:
I barely know much about this game, but there is a game for the ps3 titled little big planet, and it looks very interesting from what i have seen, maybe you should look into it
LOL that’s all I can say as I read all these posts of Xbox 360 vs. PS3. As I pack up my xbox 360 to ship off for repairs, I unpacked my new PS3. I got each for the games, not for which is better. Each has great games though Xbox 360 has more, it also had a 1 year advantage. What if they both were released at the same time? That would be a great comparison but currently, neither is comparable and neither has an advantage over the other. For the PS3′s lack of exclusive games, though it’s growing, the Xbox suffers reliability issues.
Both consoles have great specs.
I am having a ps3 for xmas which i have wanted since it came out.
Its future proof it has great next gen hardware such as Blu-Ray and memory card readers free online game play and a great chocie of genres for games.
Mostly the xbox 360 has action and first person shooters like
Halo 3
Mass effect
Bioshock
and a lot more….
where as the ps3 has chocie it might not have that many exclusives but it has choice.
I think the ps3 is a great console and i cant wait to play it.
That’s a possibility. Verified that Lucasarts is going to release Monkey Island 5 within the next 2 years and another Grim Fandango. With more and more idiots out shooting up schools and malls, it’s only a question of when the game developers will start making fun thought-provoking games again like the Monkey island series and 7th Guest. Don’t get me wrong; I enjoy CoD4 immensly, but I also enjoy the “rush” of figuring out a puzzle in order to get to the next level. Besides, it is much easier to sell the wife on game purchases if it is something she would actually play. Happy Holidays to all.
Well i have allways been a ps3 fan and i am quite impressed with the xbox 360 (my mate has 1) and i find that the ps3 has better graphics then the xbox 360 and so does my mate as he has just given up on his xbox due to the red light lol (faults) and has bought a ps3 and couldnt be happier
Jesus Dooley, you’re so far off the mark it’s hilarious.
Yeah – the 360 runs on Intel chips with a Windows Operating System – yeah, sure it does.
nuhuh. Totally.
Riight.
Fanbois and their lies :D
Why on earth would anyone want to ‘invest’ into an PS3 for future potential. Game platforms essentially depreciate just like a computer. The logical decision is to buy the platform that is better now, as within a year or two Microsoft will most likely update or come out with a newer platform that will beat PS3 anyway.
Excellent comparison and great forum opinions. I personally went with the PS3 for my 7 year old because of the reliability issues. Sure 360 has more and better titles-only a donkey would debate this. But the fact that a piece of ELECTRONICS makes as much noise as a small vacuum cleaner and has the potential to probably burn your house down??? Heres hoping for more and better titles in ’08.
Yes, of course, Microsoft release a game console every 2 years. (if they did we would be on the fourth xbox already)
Edhe, well done at finding the one point about which Dooley was wrong, though to be fair why should we trust a console made by the company that produces winblows and manufactures a console that doesn’t even last more than a year unless your very lucky. I would also like to point out that, although you can replace just the hd-dvd drive if it breaks for your xbox 360 (if you have one) for just the price of the hd-dvd drive (£100/$150), you can also replace the blu-ray laser for your ps3 for about £30/$40 – a fraction of the price. So whatever way you look at it, the ps3 is unarguably better value. Don’t even call me a fanboy either because I much prefered the n64 to the ps1 and hated the ps2 in favour of the dreamcast.
The ps3 is a better value?
How so, the online system is shit, can you even download things in the background, or play your own music when playing games?
The Xbox from what I’ve seen has better architecture for gaming, period. Prove me wrong, with facts, not what it should do or could do or will do.
I mean, it’s pretty simple, more games, better games, better graphics capability, and performance.
Look at gran turismo 5 vs Forza 2. It’s a joke, turismo has like 30+ cars vs 300, and it’s not even remotely realistic.Wow you can customize rims & spoilers? Forza 2 lets me change just about anything, I can even paint my car to look like anything I want… Way to go Sony…
Fanboi eh?
It’s spelt Fan Boy, but what do I know, I speak English, not Text-Ease.
Your right in one aspect. The chip isn’t actually produced by Intel. My mistake.
The Multi Threading System is provided by Intel. Meaning, the way the load is balanced between Chips.
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total
1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache
You’ll find the rest of the details at:
http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1144/The-Xbox-360-System-Specifications/p1
Insofar as the XBox 360′s true capabilities go:
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-Interview-Todd-Holmdahl/p1/
He details it all and the interviewer puts things in perspective.
The 360 has a LOT of raw power, and a decent graphics chip, but the floating point capabilities of the PS3 out do the 360 nigh but effortlessly. Plus the PS3′s graphics chips are seperate, and completely custom.
As I stated previously, graphics between the two systems are identical. Performance is identical.
Funny thing, that.
Funny thing the PS3 uses 256mb of RAM.
I am not a Fan Boy, that would mean I was a soldier of a cause.
I’m a veteran beyond your years.
Now, what evidences can you bring to the table to state any claims?
Oh… sorry, I forgot you had no claims to begin with.
You were merely trying to insult me. Well… good on you, I’m sure you’re more of a man now for it.
As far as investing in the future goes, realistically, you’re doing so with either system because they are both capable of updates.
My main argument (the fanboi arguement) is that Sony has demonstrated better product quality off the cuff.
While the 360 beat the Sony to the marketplace, it seems to me that they did so in vain.
The original processor setup was bigger, overheated a lot more and as a result, was BAD.
Now they have new chips in the systems.
Elite systems came first though. These were the black ones and they sported the new chips.
Nice.
Why aren’t they all getting retrofitted?
Seems to me like somebody is going to lose their 360 and simply have to buy a new one. The better one. The one that doesn’t overheat and crap out.
My Wii is a nice system. I like it, it’s cute. It can’t play media. It can’t handle a high quantity of graphical content, and it can’t transfer files.
It’s fun though. So is the XBox 360.
Go Fanboi!
Microsoft is a marketing company, first, a software company second, and a hardware company third. Remember your priorities.
Entertainment quality? When a system is in the mail to a warranty depot, I’m not entertained.
Also… all my PS2 titles work flawlessly… with all the current PS3 gear… including my G25 Logitech Leather Wrapped Racing Wheel, my GunCon 3, my controllers, my USB sticks which I create software based Memory Cards upon for my various PS2 and PS1 titles which I can still enjoy.
Thank You Sony.
Thank You Nintendo.
Eat Me Microsoft.
What the hell was Vista again?
Oh, hey the operating system for Xbox 360 isn’t Windows.
AND! According to THIS:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/upgrades/xbox-360-could-get-32nm-chips-by-late-2009-331959.php
You 360 players will have EVEN smaller chips in the system, making it even more efficient… not more powerful, just smaller. And cooler! No more overheating units in 2009! Rejoice! I’m so happy for you all!
Looks like I learned something today :)
26. If the Xbox 360 Core System doesn’t come with a hard drive, nor a memory unit, how would I save games?
Unfortunately, in order to save games you’ll need either the Xbox 360 hard drive or an Xbox 360 memory unit.
28. Why does the Xbox 360 hard drive costs ten times more than a PC hard drive of the same size?
The Xbox 360 hard drive is a 2.5” hard drive, similar to those found in notebooks. The hard drive that you buy for your PC are 3.5”. Considering that notebook parts are always more expensive than desktop PC components, it is reasonable that the Xbox 360 hard drive costs more than a desktop PC hard drive of the same size.
120gb 360 HDD $179.99 ~ Gamestop
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802643
250gb Western Digital 2.5″ HDD $164.43 ~ NCIX.ca
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25326&vpn=WD2500BEVS&manufacture=Western%20Digital
Imagine what you could find on eBay?
Again… laptop harddrives work without issue in the PS3.
and I can install yellow dog linux to that hard drive to enjoy programming, browsing, or whatever I can cook up, on my ps3, with it’s 8 Cell Processor.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/
It’s called reading.
You’ll be surprised.
I don’t remember Forza ever getting on Top Gear, and furthermore:
The XBox Wheel is Crap. And Smokes. And Proprietary (does it work with a PC? try it).
The current GT5 that’s out is the Prologue.
Meaning they’re releasing a piece of it because they’re taking so long (i’m guessing).
http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/news/d1520.html
Forza 2 had 310 cars.
here’s the list…
http://forzamotorsport.net/news/announcements/carlist.htm
anyhow, gran turismo has never failed to have tons and tons and tons of cars.
here’s a list, it’s not official, but since most of you hacks have proven useless with a search engine:
http://www.gtplanet.net/guides/index.php/NA_Car_List
look i’m bored of this now… you guys enjoy.
i’ve given enough facts and if you all want to be bone headed about it from here forth… enjoy your red rings.
@pctomm
How can you even compare forza 2 to gran turismo 5. First of all gran turismo 5 does not have 30 cars. you are talking about gran turismo 5 prologue…it’s not the game you dummy…if you had done your research you would have figured that out. According to playstation official magazine gran turismo 5 is scheduled to have somewhere close to 900 cars. Gran turismo is the mona lisa of car games..forza does not come even close. I am not saying this out of preference but i am stating what every gaming site says.
Regarding to games: I did my research and i found out (from ign, gamepro) that during the first year of the 360 only one great game came out, gears of war. This is Playstation’s first year and i will give you this; Playstation did not come out with one great game this year but it had 4 really good games that came out (uncharted, heavenly sword, ratchet & clank, resistance, unreal tournament 3), it had other good games (warhawk, ninja gaiden sigma) and some really bad games (lair) but overall it terms of games in surpassed the xbox 360 during its first year. Sales wise it has the same amount of units sold the xbox sold its first year.
I could agree with you that graphic wise right now are not as good as the xbox, and i am saying this only because websites like ign and gamepro say so, cause i cannot tell the difference, but this happens on multi-platforms games simply because developers are creating games for the xbox version first and then taking the easy way out and porting them for the ps3. Ps3 exclusives in fact have all had better graphic scores than any xbox exclusive title and this because developers start from scratch for these games. This is also what happened with the original xbox, games were created for the Ps2 and then ported.
As of this moment the Playstation 3 is at par with the xbox 360 and don’t you even say that the xbox has more games because if it did not after one year head start i would really be worried. no matter what anyone says the xbox will always have more games because it has over a year advantage respect the ps3.
here is just a short video i found of burnout with the comparison of xbox 360 and ps3..personally i don’t see any difference, the only thing i see is that the ps3 version is more “whiter” (is that even a word?)
http://www.n4g.com/News-92839.aspx
Hay guys I won an X Box 360 and PGR4, and my mate recons I shoud trade it in for PS3.I love the xbox for its pure gaming ability, its controllers are in my opinion much better suited to the games I love to play such as Call of Duty 4. The graphics I feel are better on the X Box, if only for the moment. And to be honest I like my Xbox 360 more than my mates PS3. How did this happen though? For years I hated those halo bastards on X box. I harased them for there dumb choice in console.First of all I would like to hear from someone wh has played FPS games with the sixaxis cos I love the triggers on the xbox, specially for car racing. Any one who can help me in my plight, should I trade the 360 in and get PS3, would be much appreciated I’m so stressed about it I wish I was rich enough to buy both but am a poor student. Thanks love the article and chat here.
PS3 by the time they finally take advantage of the so called more powerful system, there will most likely be another Xbox to yet overshadow them AGAIN! They say the PS3 will have a lifespan of 10 years, that’s a lame assumption, you would have to be a total moron to assume there tech is so much more advanced than all other systems. Where was we 10 years ago?
PS1,Saturn,N64, where will we be in the next 9 years, prolly posting in forums and PS3 fanboys still thinking that the devs are finally going to harness it’s so called RAW POWER…
MEH, Yahhh Riiiight
Really Trekster?
I think they have only just begun begun to harness the power… and its already more than equal to the 360. The fact that there is yet more power to harness on the ps3 is a testament to how good it really is, if Microshite have to release another console as soon as you think, us ps3 owners will be laughing all the way to the bank (like we already are at those of you who wanted the wireless addon or the hd-dvd addon). If you want to upgrade every few years then there is no console that could ever offer any advantage over a PC. Finally, yes I personally think it is ridiculous to say the ps3 will last 10 years, what console has? They will probably have the same lifespan, but the ps3 will see better games released at the end of its lifespan, like the ps2 vs xbox obviously the 360 ending up like the ps2 and the ps3 ending up like the xbox was, the clearly more powerful console.
Show us this ‘power’ :)
Ahhaahha Harness the powerrr!
The 360 has a better gpu.
The 360 has a better cpu.
The Ps3 can surf the internet.
Clearly the ps3 is better…
Hahhahaha
Very nice article !! Very good comparisons and with facts not mambo jumbo ..you know what i mean..so after all the bla bla bla that i have read i think i will go for the xbox360..
XBOX 360 all the way, and those xbox 360 lovers who have an Xbox live account they kick ass, try to add me
PABLO1023
PCTOMM:
get your facts straight Gran Turismo will feature over 900+ cars… hmm 900+ vs 300 …. (shakes head) Forza2 will have nothing on this
Sorry, you’re right, looks like a lot of cars…
Too bad you’re paying $50 for a demo….
Still no damage, the physics model looks crappy, and the customization is almost nil.
It’s ok, maybe one day they’ll harness the power of those 7 estra digital watches they packed in the for you…
One point that I didn’t see directly stated was the PS3′s wireless WIFI capability. This isn’t a dealbreaker, but for some people, not having to run a cat5 all over the house to get to the system for online gaming is a plus for the PS3. I wish the 360 had it. I still don’t know what to buy.
if your looking for internet surfing or hardware buy a freakin PC. If you want great games buy a 360. The PS3 is pretty much a crappy computer so why waste your money on it when you could get a PC that does the same stuff a lot better.
Pablo: Playstation Home users will be laughing all the way to the bank.
pctomm: its more like $40 which is nothing (seeing as dollars are almost worthless these days), also its more like a mini-game that a demo so well worth it for racing game fans, and if you object to the price you dont have to buy it. Also just to prove you wrong (google it) yes, there is damage. Remember that we are comparing the full gt5 with forza 2, which is pointless as the full GT5 is far from being released.
SPNKr: A PS3 does many more things, for one it has just as good games as the 360, it also has blu ray/a high definition data format, which neither the pc or xbox 360 have unless you want to spend large amounts of money, so from almost every angle the ps3 is better value for a more functional product. Also the 360 basically is a pc seeing as you can install linux on it.
Lets not forget that if you buy a ps3 you can play games on it whenever you want, and not just when you aren’t waiting for your console to be fixed/replaced due to a fault.
Sorry meant the 360 and ps3 are both basically pcs as you can run linux on both (ps3 much more easily though)
Also, SPNKr, by your logic then why would anyone buy ANY console, as a pc already does the same thing better in every respect (except blu-ray)
i think im getting an xbox 360 for xmas. I tink its a good console but im a big final fantasy fan and am dissappointed that xiii isnt coming out on xbox so i would prefer a ps3!are there any games coming out for xbox that could rival final fantasy?
dan da man: Lost Odyssey is coming for the 360, and it’s very much a Final Fantasy RPG. In fact, it was done by the person who created Final Fantasy. It’s intended to be the 360 version of FFXIII essentially.
And if you haven’t played western RPG’s there is also MASS EFFECT which is one of the best games of the year. I was also a big Japanese RPG fan, but then I played Knights of the Old Republic, and found out just how immersive an RPG could be. Be sure to check that out once you get your 360 :)
Jason: You can buy a WiFi adapter for the 360. While it’s expensive locally, you could import a Japanese one for a relatively good price.
Next thing: Online play. If your looking for the best online experience then you should go 360 all the way. Xbox Live is set up almost perfectly. Playstation Network may have “potential” just like the console itself, but as far as i’ve seen sony has difficulty unlocking “potential”.
honestly the only game i really like 4 the xbox is bioshock and you can play it on the pc. The others are multiplatform exept a halo GOW and mass efect wich i dont like.
My cousin has an xbox and he likes it but it lags alot and i usually find him cursing the controller. HEHE i have it on tape.
Great article, but for a non-gaming person like myself, there was way too much information for me to digest. My question is simple, but likely hard to answer. Which gaming system should I buy as a family Xmas gift? My wife wants to be able play Guitar Hero and my boys just want a new gaming platform (we already have older XBOX and GameCube systems). Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
you’re right, Microsoft has tapped all the advertising potential that Live has to offer.
funny… i don’t pay to play online…
or chat online…
or browse online…
hell, once I’ve paid for my ps3 the only thing I pay for is my games…
but that’s a one time fee.
I guess it costs money to have that perfect set up.
Must cost a LOT of money.
Good thing they’re not spending it on any more good games… especially now that they’ve dried out their franchises.
I guess we’re all looking forward to Halo 4 now, eh?
There is only one game in Sony history that was pay to play and that was an MMORPG.
That whole downloading games thing? Yeah, when Microsoft first started allowing games to be downloaded, they put a strict limit in place. Fifty megabytes.
Then they wanted to post some Konami games… that were on Playstation.
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
It was seventy megabytes.
They had to raise the cap and abolish their original limit, even though they had already turned away a few potential games.
Microsoft has things set up perfectly? I hope so, they keep screwing things up so much to get there.
Eventually people will say the 360 is a perfect system.
I attribute this to short memory span. Due to excessive Halo playing.
Hell did you know Halo wasn’t even what it was originally intended to be?
Did you know that Halo was meant to be an MMORPG? Betcha didn’t.
Anybody who truly believes that the 360 is a ‘better’ gaming experience, has not actually played a PS3, or better still, wanted to do something specific on their 360.
Racing games, PS3 has better controllers and games.
Fighting games, PS3 has them all and you can use any controller you like.
Simulation and First Person Games, PS3 will let you use a keyboard and mouse.
Chatting online? I use a Blu Tooth headset that came with my cell phone.
I use external harddrives and USB thumb drives to save my games and load themes that I can now design and upload to my own
console.
360 lacks potential. That’s why it’s all been unlocked.
Now I think I’ll go play my PS3, with my 900 degree, forcefeedback, leather wrapped, usb (computer compatible), paddle shift, h-pattern, three pedal (clutch, brake and throttle) racing wheel and some gran turismo…
or maybe some NFS ProStreet…
or maybe Carbon…
Y’know something, maybe I’ll just load my Linux hard drive, and my 360 emulator… then I’ll play Forza.
XBox 360 is junk. Always was.
Next year, when they get new 65nm chips and stop overheating altogether… I’ll buy one.
Until then, I’m smart with my money, that’s why I have so much of it.
Fantastic drivel :)
To anyone that says that the PS3 game options are as good as the 360 games then hit up metacritic:
PS3:
3 titles above 90% – all cross platform.
35 titles in 80s – predominantly cross platform (and we know what that means, folks, they’re better on the 360)
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/
360: 11 titles above 90% – 5 exclusives
Yes – there are crossplatform games rated higher on the 360 than the ps3. because they play better.
*71* titles rated above 80 – plenty exclusives, many XBLA titles, some even gone ‘platinum’
http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/
Yes the 360 has had the ‘head start’ in the market (but not in actual games development) which makes it, right now, for the consumer, a far superior games console than the ps3.
It also has better HD movie support than the ps3 (more divx features, filetypes), HD movie downloads and a cheap upgrade to the better high def media format (nice one BDA with profile 1.1, just made all BD players that aren’t PS3s obselete, just to compete with the HD DVD original standard).
The Playstation fanbois still don’t give up though, they’re even happy about the ‘voice masking’ added to PSN which was dropped from xbox live beta for being a terrible feature.
*sigh* Back to gaming with ps3 fanbois who play on xbox live because they can’t get games on the PSN then.
I on the other hand pick PS3 better. I have no problems with the xbox 360. In fact i think the 360 is a great platform, but the ps3 hands down is way better. It has alot more things u can do on it. And in March a new Free Online way to chat comes to the ps3 “home”. Plus alot of Great games are comeing out for it! GTA, MGs, Resident evil 5, Killzone 2. If u have a ps2 or ps1, u need to get this Platform. PS3 Rules! Dec-17-07
Great article!
In my case I think it makes more sense for me to go for the PS3. The media and entertainment features are enough for me to go that way.
It seems that game-wise they are very close, with a potential on PS3 to be still expected. Which is fairly OK for my gaming needs.
Plus, I can browse the internet, save pictures, play music even play blu-ray movies. That sounds cool, specially in front of the TV. No need to go to the computer for it.
I just wish they would add accessories to enhance the media experience as well.
I assume that most of your points on hard-core gaming are correct. Which are extremely important if that is all you want from the console.
However, in my case or for somebody in my position, the PS3 offers better value and entertainment for the money.
If u are wondering which one u should get for x-mas, Get the Ps3! just got mine. Way better then anything i have ever play!
Good article.
Proves that 360 is not better than ps3, and ps3 is not better.
Quality and quantity of the games will reach an equal point next year. An extra year is alot of time for developers to figure out how to achieve a higher potential of the system. It’ll all be down to whether your willing to spend money for online or not.
I wanted to inform people of the hidden truth of xbox marketplace.My friend downloaded many movies and when his wireless internet failed he tried to watch them and could not,MS limits playback to having a current live account for playback! What a fuck job they have done to customers.You purchase a movie and cannot watch it without constantly shelling them money.Then theres the red rings, add ons, and poor design.Racing games lag like crazy(e.g pro street) huge power brick crapping out and locked unportable media content and exclusive and expensive hardware.The games are not going to get better looking.Do you really think forza could hold a candle to the GT series?played it (wanna be gt).Ms always jocks exclusive PS games.GT alone is reason enough to buy ps3.Forza….hahahahahahahah..yeah ok..Ms fanboys are relishing in the battle won but the war has just begun.Ps3 fact of the matter has superior capabilities no doubt.Ps1 and ps2 have consistantly blown the compitition off the map and out the
history books.I really like the 360 but wont but one cause Im afraid it will shit out and I only buy used systems.I could buy a ps3 and not worry and not get nickle and dimed to death.”Marketplace”?If I wanted stupid obscure arari games Ill buy an atari or download them for FREE to my comp.Face it MS rushed it and knew damn well they were supplying faulty product.It was all formulated strategy with no pity toward the consumer.They make mad chedder from suckers like my friend who unknowingly spends 500usd a year on stupid “content”Thats where they make the money, and charging for “updates” like new maps. What a hand job.And I read they have been banning systems they say play non1.1 true games but people have had them banned cause their game was scratched or some crap.Great idea MS Idiots.Ms are true Noobs to the game world and will get sunk soon enough like their last monstrosity aka boat anchor, aka oversize paperweight or wheel chuck.Get your crosses out fan boys and make me a martyr.Fags.
errm anyone saying that the 360′s dvd drive is loud while playing movies must have supersonic hearing
i play lots of movies on it i never hear owt. also if u by the hd-dvd drive i find it evn quiter that the ps3 counter part
ps3 blue ray -slight grown
360 hd-dvd – nothing just this slight noise of the eye reading the disk.
also if the noise is a problem and u have a lcd/plasma tv just slot it behind ure tv.
no noise
more air(no overheating)
looks good
my freind thorghti had a 360 bult into my tv
i have allways in the past had playstaion
but withthe ps3 i think sony sold them selvs out.
lot more money
few exclusives
sound quality inferior to xbox
also people who put microsoft down. where would yoube without them
you wouldent be able to complain about you precious ps3 would you
period
That has got to be … better sound quality…?
Whatever. I had no idea movies downloaded from XBox Live would require Live service to view at a later date. I’ll make sure to rub that in peoples faces.
Especially now that I can play WMV, AVI and Mpeg and Mp4′s on my PS3.
I just realized, it’s very true that most any game to be played online, will have its graphical content highly streamlined.
Anybody who cites Halo AT ALL, can go read about how a good FPS is designed. With properly managed polygons and culling to reduce visual rendering times.
I wouldn’t assume any XBox fan to do this though. It would mean learning something called a Fact.
Like the Fact that despite online or offline, the PS3′s graphical capabilities are going to out do the 360′s.
Keep trying folks. No matter what, the Wii is for fun, the PS3 is for gaming, and the 360 is trash.
I use a standard AC Cord that you’d use on a computer, to power my PS3.
360 uses a proprietary brick with a proprietary plug on a proprietary wire.
You wreck that wire (for whatever reason), you’d better be ready to pay for a new one.
Gears of War was highly acclaimed, hyped and advertised.
Rise of Man was not.
Frankly, Rise of Man had graphics that outdid Gears of War.
Forza 2 compared to Gran Turismo?
Even Gran Turismo HD out does Forza 2 in my opinion.
Why? Because I am not steering the game with a Go Kart wheel, firstly. I have a stick shift, instead of a plastic paddle shift, secondly. I have a proper clutch pedal, instead of a game that says Clutch every time I press a shift button, thirdly.
You XBox fans… you must be dumb. Just plain dumb.
I’m the fan boy. I speak evidence and sense from memory. You think I research this stuff? I did once upon a time, when I wanted to figure out what to buy.
I used to think the 360 was going to be massive.
Turns out it’s just another Microsoft Flop.
Give it a rest people. Your game system is just that, a game system.
It’s playing you.
Where’s all this talk about the PS3 being more powerful coming from?
Can someone post me a link from a reputable source that states this? The Xbox clearly has a better CPU/GPU. I know the PS3 has more cells, but they’re tiny little miny cpu’s, they don’t offer any advantage whatsoever. The architecture of the PS3 is clearly lacking as well, as the Xbox is more flexible with memory allocation, higher memory bandwidth, these are all facts. This whole thing about ‘potential’ where is it coming from? Do yo just say that before you go to bed like a prayer or something?
You jokers knocking the Forza steering wheel, have you held a PS3 wireless controller recently? You know, the one that fits your hand like a fish on a bicycle? With no rumble support?
You claim it’s awesome, with its bluetooth, what are you, streaming video from it or something?
GT has nothing on Forza. It plays like a pinball machine, compared to Forza. In Forza you get penalized for going off the track, it’s not a race winning tactic. GT is just finding a way to slingshot around the track. Maybe it’s a better arcade racer than Forza. But in no way a better racing sim. Can you even save your replays? Sell your cars online? Is it even possible over rev your engine???
Sorry guys, but the PS3 is the one playing you, not Microsoft. Do you guys get like ‘potential’ Christmas cards? Ones that read ‘Sorry for the crappy online gaming system, and the crazy long load times, and the shit controllers, but don’t worry, we have potential!’
:P Suckers
Just for reference, most of the evidence I’ll cite for this clown, is available just above.
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-Interview-Todd-Holmdahl/p1/
That is your reputable source. Again, I had already provided this link up above.
Pinballing is evidence that the player sucks.
Let off the throttle when you steer.
I’m not knocking the Forza Steering Wheel.
It doesn’t have a steering wheel.
Microsoft recalled it because it was smoking out the area.
Your XBox 360 has a Triple Core Xenon CPU as it’s called.
This means you have three big chips running everything plus an ATi video chip.
Great.
It overheats, melts the plastic mounts, and doesn’t actually have the floating point processing power to get by a lot of the dynamic aspects of gaming.
An argument was that the 360 has better load balancing, because developers have to write their own.
Newsflash: Developers have ALWAYS had to write their own load balancing. Memory management has never been anybody else’s responsibility.
All that said: The PS3 can load balance anything because all the FPP power allows developers to shunt calculations for video, audio, physics, or interface to and from each cell.
Multitasking eight ways is infinitely easier than three.
Aside from performance.
Investing in the future? You can look at it that way as some have claimed they wouldn’t want to.
That’s fine. Next year’s XBox 360 will have a smaller cpu’s. Meaning they won’t overheat during those six hour gaming binges.
Fuck this… I’ve got work to do and I’ve seriously argued/debated/proven the system enough.
YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR FUCKING MIND UP YOU SOD? No problem.
I’m not some fan boy, asshole.
Halo had what? Four weapons? You fucking ignorant lemmings run out and spend millions on a fucking failure of design that started out as an MMO that Microsoft bought out, revamped and released with FOUR FUCKING GUNS. And good LORD the multiplayer is heinous!
Who the fuck decided this was okay? Halo 2 comes around with normal maps and suddenly everyone flips out again.
Halo 3 looks like they switched to the Unreal Engine and everyone flies off the handle again.
Nothing revolutionary going on…
Microsoft fucked up Shadowrun for whatever reason and charges for your ‘online’ experience wherein when YOU buy YOUR media online through LIVE, you’ll be paying for it, for as long as you want to play that Media.
Can you even transfer a file off your system?
Fucks sakes, you can mock my media hub (as the article calls it) all you want. But my controllers run off three dollar cords, I can upgrade my harddrive to any size a laptop can take, for laptop prices, not Microsoft prices, and my Cell 8 Processor, is capable of games that level the field.
Drakes Fortune as an example.
HD DVD didn’t work out. Neither will Microsofts attempt at creating a new venue for themselves.
Enjoy your proprietary 30% marked up, ‘more powerful’ stuff guys.
Quit asking for the facts you lazy fucking assholes. You have enough options and search terms. I’ve provided links repeatedly and given enough perspective from experience, having had one since the day of launch.
The 360 didn’t provide everything they promised on launch and nothing they’ve released works the first time around.
I’ve heard of people’s fucking wireless adapters crapping out, same as Microsoft’s fucking routers.
Quit trying to tell me their shit is more powerful. Their marketing is powerful, and your mind is weak.
Come on, let’s be civil…
The link you posted was especially interesting here:
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-Interview-Todd-Holmdahl/p3/
Where they clearly label the X360′s processor being superior. This is your link, not mine.
When you say ‘Multitasking eight ways is infinitely easier than three.’ Have you ever actually written code? It’s difficult enough to code for 2 cores, let alone three, and you’re telling me 7 cores is EASIER?
Yeah, seven cores, not eight. One is disabled. Maybe that one’s added in there for potential hahahaha!
Anyway…
I am enjoying my more powerful 30% marked up stuff, much more than your loss making under-powered limited online support crappy controller dust collecting peehole system.
I wouldn’t call marketing for the X360 powerful… much the opposite, it’s kinda weak from what I can tell.
thanks for the article it was really helpful im going to get a ps3 even though it seems the xbox 360 won all the catigories you mentioned. i like the sony brand thought
Civility and reading are two things nobody seems to sport around here.
One is disabled to improve yield.
Meaning, that yes, it is in there as untapped potential.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor
The facts are simple. The Three Way assembly of Xenons is not as efficient or as effective as that offered by a solid union as the Cell processor offers.
Multitasking eight ways offers more opportunities and efficiency when coupled with a capable programmer.
“The graphics processor, the RSX Reality Synthesizer, was developed by NVidia, one of the two main dedicated graphics card companies. Modeled off of their very successful G70 graphics core (known by computer enthusiasts to be the powerful GeForce 7800 line of graphics cards), the RSX is capable of churning out some serious graphics. With 256 mb of dedicated 550 MHz GDDR3 memory, this graphics processor is capable of photo realistic graphics, making the Playstation 3 spec the most intensive out of any of the three main next-gen consoles today.”
Microsoft has switched their commercials more often than I can count or track. Sony has had one motif for all their commercials.
I’m alright with Sony taking a profit loss on the system, given it’s accessories that make the profit, and strangely, the accessories are high grade because they’re not proprietary crap. I can buy Logitech gear of any sort and have it work.
I can use a Quickcam for Video chat with this thing if I were so inclined.
God forbid I enjoy a game, like Gran Turismo, with 900 cars, fully modeled interiors, a G25 racing wheel with H pattern and three pedals, etc…
I’m alright with the lack of Rumble in my controller. If I need a vibrator I’ll call your mom for one.
Frankly, my battery lasts longer and the controller is feather light.
Force feedback belongs in Wheels and Joysticks, where there’s a base of resistance.
I’m also ok with not paying $30 for a recharge Kit, where I can pay $3 for a USB cable.
I’m also ok with saving my games to a USB thumb drive.
I’m also ok with having a quiet system.
An elegant, quiet, modular, all inclusive system.
What’s the keypad for X360 cost? $30? For a small calculator sized keypad you use for chat messages?
I have a spare USB keyboard. I can’t remember where I got it from, but I use it with my PS3 when I fuck around in RPGMaker 2… from PS2.
This is too much fun, and way too easy.
Y’know what? Fuck it, even if the 360 actually was more powerful than the PS3, I still don’t have to buy a bunch of extra crap that would raise the price beyond the PS3′s.
Do the math before you open your next can of worms.
Hell, the ‘Premium’ pack includes a Wireless controller… so does anybody know if it includes a wire to recharge that controller?
You can buy extra batteries for it too, eh?
yeah neat shit…
I bought a usb cable… and a cable extension just in case…
Cost me… seven dollars.
You can’t extend your play n’ Charge ‘kit’ can you?
I use it my cables for my G25 wheel. I use it to reach my computer in the other room so I can play rFactor on my TV with a 30 foot VGA cable.
That is when my G25 isn’t plugged Into the PS3… when i’m not playing Gran Turismo 5…
Which uses an H pattern.
And a clutch pedal.
Yeah.
I was thinking of getting the Xbox 360 but is it really that much of ” a time bomb ” and if so how much time would it take to well, like, be messed up. ahh now im thinking of getting the ps3 cuz pretty much its a good enough reason to get the ps3 over the 360 cuz eventullay it’ll jus break
I think both PS3 and XBOX 360 are competing over the same market which is why wii will hands down win the console war
The reason for this is that half of gamers are only casual ones while the other half are ‘hardcore’ which means sales will be 25 percent PS3
25 percent XBOX 360
and 50 percent wii as it has the whole casual gamer market to itself
I like to think of the XBOX as a 100 M sprinter and the PS3 as a marathon runner because xbox may have used all its energy to early, but the PS3 is taking it slow until its huge exclusives finally come out.
If the Xbox 360 is a better system, then why are the PS3 games looking just as good or even better? Xbox 360 had a year head start and the PS3 has already caught up. PS3 is a more reliable system and definitely offers more for its owners. Be smart and purchase the PS3. You get more for your money.
Let me start of with saying as a gamer i will get all consoles at one time.
I have owned a wii ,ps3 ,xbox 360.
The only console i have left is 360.
Sony screwed over euro market by delay after delay.
Forget multi dual core blah blah, sony brand has been shattered. most of the exclusive titles have been bought by microsoft. And why is that? because they have 80% of all pc’s os is windows !!!!!!
they have the funds to anything, maybe in a years time when ps3 has one good game microsoft will realease a new console xbox 3 ? then ps3 has no future! developers are jumping ship cause there making a loss with all the extra development time.
I LOVE MY 360 I DONT HAVE TO WAIT 2 MONTHS FOR A GAME WITH LOWER FRAME RATE OR SHIT GRAPHICS AND I GET GAMES FOR A FRATION OF THE PRICE, RAINBOW SIX VEGAS – 360 £14.99 / PS3 – 49.99
NUFF SAID !!!!!!!
If you are looking for a GAMERS System Then get the X BOX 360. Yea I will give it to the people at Sony They made a nice media Platform BUT I WHAT TO FUCKING BLOW SHIT UP. I have played Call of Duty 4 on both systems and it looks better on a 360 hands down and with Xbox Live it Trashes The PS3. So if you are looking for a true GAMERS SYSTEM then the X Box is for you but if you are looking for more than just games then look in to the PS3. I like my 360 more that is just me.
The PS3 is better than the 360, the grahics have improved and are nearly as good as the 360. Plus the new 360′s still have the rrod problem which is the most annoying problem ever. Sony is pretty much cheaper if you include everything like the extra hd-dvd player the wireless adaptor will end up costing more than the PS3.
but not everybody wants a games console to watch movies on and outher things wich the ps3 does out of the box.
i allways thourght i games console was err to possibly play games on it.
also ps3 sold them selfs out in europe 6 month delay. 3 launch exclusives and the fact the multiplatform games are over 20 pounds more expensive then 360 counterparts
(btw 20 pounds is $35)
You thought a game console was to play games on? Wow, thats witty shit. I’m glad you made that point.
True gamers.. whoa, look out, here comes the real arguments.
If you’re a true gamer, who’s looking to blow shit up. Sorry, BLOW SHIT UP, then look no further than the 360. After six hours of Blowing Shit Up, the 360 itself might just blow right up. Now THAT is entertainment.
Online is ten times better than the PS3, especially since the 360 is cheaper to purchase… unless you need wireless, so you’ll have to buy that, and it’s around a hundred fifty. But the 360 is still cheaper, with better graphics, so you’ll have to buy a harddrive if you want to play Call of Duty 4… with an Arcade pack… which is cheaper than the PS3. Those only retail for about a hundred fifty as well…
The online is totally way better, cause you can download movies… that only work while you’re subscribed… so if you ever stop subscribing, all that media you paid for is worthless… until you start paying for Live service again.
The online is way better too, as long as you don’t need wireless connectivity and don’t mind lag. It’s really laggy, but it’s so wicked awesome cool because only real true l33t gamers who love the 360 are on there. It’s only laggy because there are SOO many true elite super gamers on there.
I mean, how could you want to buy a Wii or a PS3, when you can buy the 360, then buy the 360 games, then buy a wireless controller, then buy the wireless charger kit, then buy the hd dvd kit, then buy the bigger hard drive…
There, now the system is exactly like the PS3 if not better!
It only costs a little bit more than the PS3 at that point.
Totally worth it if you’re a true gamer.
Who doesn’t have a job.
Can’t afford their own clothes.
Lives with mom.
Doesn’t pay rent.
Goes to school when Christmas is over.
Probably owns a PSP or DS because Microsoft, who is a true gamers company, has never released a handheld system.
To future posters, read previous FACT citing comments I’ve posted above.
Please do not even bother posting until you’ve read above this post.
The 360 is crap.
The Wii is cheap clean fun.
The PS3 is everything the 360 promised to be, and more. For less.
“To future posters, read previous FACT citing comments I’ve posted above.
Please do not even bother posting until you’ve read above this post.
The 360 is crap.”
Amazing, so much text just to totally discount yourself. Well done.
im actualy lolling in the uk if you know were tyhat is we have wireless controlers with every bundle (yes even the core pack) all consolesare bundled with at least one game.
also the ps3 is over 200 pounds more expencive than the 360 .ps3 base(20 gb) 424.99
360 premium (20 gb) 239.99 (check argos.co.uk if you want proof) not everybody wants a hdplayer at the moment also in 1-2 years thaywill be as cheap as dvd players are now. its proven that with vhs and dvd.
yet if you are desperate for a console that will play high def movies and have 200 pounds to waste like shitty exclusives (e.g lair) and dont mind waiting 3 months for multiformat games to arive on you console
THEN BY ALL MEANS BUY THE PS3
if you are a proper gamer
Dooley,
You are entirely wrong about your last statement:
“The 360 is crap.
The Wii is cheap clean fun.
The PS3 is everything the 360 promised to be, and more. For less.”
The Wii is THE console to get, but it is so underrated. People overlook it as, like you said, a “cheap” console. But with Mario Galaxy, given a higher rating than ANY XBOX360 or PS3 game, why would you get either? Sure, the Mario series might not be for you. But if you want to talk about high rated games, you can’t say “XBOX360 has Halo 3″, or “PS3 has nothing yet but Ratchet and Clank”. Wii beats these two consoles on the spot.
If you want a system that will break down causing a game delay for the so called serious gamers, then purchase the shitty ass Xbox 360. While you are waiting for Microsoft to refurbish your Xbox 360, I will be playing my reliable ass PS3. 2008 will be great for the PS3 as several exciting exclusives will be released. For all you Xbox 360 fans, enjoy your time now because its soon come to an end. Patience is a virtue, and definitely good things will come to all PS3 owners.
To Big E 68 YOU ARE A RETARD. The PS3 IS NOT THE GAMERS SYSTEM. the games look like shit and come out later than the XBOX. And the HOLE Xbox live is the best online system. I hope you can under stand this that the PS3 is a multi Media Platform and the 360 is a Gamers System!
Animus of Chaos,
I feel your pain. Your Xbox 360 must have received the red ring of death, but that does not matter to you because you like chaos anyway. If you read my post, I did not say anything about the PS3 being the gamers system. The Xbox 360 currently is the console to beat because of its exclusives NOW!!! The year 2008 will be the year that the PS3 will take the video game industry over. Developers will produce much better games utilizing the Cell Processor. Look at Uncharted. This game looks better than anything on the Xbox 360. The exclusives are coming. The games will look much better. Your Xbox 360 is a garbage system that’s unreliable and will be replaced with a new Xbox system while the PS3 will still be going strong. Keep spending your because with a name like Animus of Chaos it appears you are not working with a full deck. PS3 fanboy for life!!!
P.S. Playstation Home will be better than Xbox Live. Oh, and its free!! Way to go Sony!
Another thing Chaos,
Xbox 360 has been out for 2 years now. Why are the games on the PS3 now at the same level as the games of your whack ass Xbox 360? Can you explain that!! The PS3 has caught up to the Xbox 360. So in other words, the extra year did nothing but initially sale more consoles. But if you take a close look at the numbers, the PS3 had similar sales to the Xbox 360 during its initial launch, without selling a system full of chaos to its customers. I’ll admit, Sony fucked up with its initally launch, but at least the PS3 is a reliable system and I don’t have to worry about the console dying. You will see, once developers crack the code of programming games for the system in 2008, the competition is over. Save your money and get a PS3. You need less CHAOS in your life.
Marry Christmas to all bloggers across the world. May Santa put a PS3 under your christmas tree. If you have been naughty, may your stockings be filled with the Xbox 360. LOL. Next do your good deeds for the day. Santa may bless you with a PS3 next year.
Well, my Xbox 360 with the screen freeze was sent to the repair facility in Texas and checking Microsoft’s website for repair status, it’s coming back 26 December via FedEx 3 day service. Wow, they said 4-6 weeks and it’s only been 3. However, I checked the serial number and I’m getting some refurbished model, someone else’s problem. We’ll see how many times this goes back and forth as my co-worker is on his 5th refurbished model, 3 times RROD and 2 times drive cannot read disc. Meanwhile, I’m enjoying my PS3 and just finished COD4 and 1/2 into Drake: Uncharted. Getting ready for Assassin’s Creed and Resistance. But I also can’t wait to finish Halo 3, Bioshock and Orange Box on my Xbox 360.
Well, in my view i see the ps3 as the console to buy. The ps3 is more reliable, More powerfull also keep in mind that the ps3 is getting better.
I have bought a PS3 yesterday for £375 60GB with two games. Its not exspensive when you think about it.
Unless you like Halo or just want to join the dumb over-rated hype around it. My advise is simply..
PS3 is the console to buy
i just want to say that i traded in my xbox 360 for a ps3…and that was the best decision ever….
man this article did a fantstic job of comparing two incredible systems. I’ve been all bout Sony since the PS1, but hearing all the hype bout the 360 got me confused. I just got a PS3 for Christmas, but still havent opened it….i couldnt tell if it was worth it or not and weather I should exchange it for a 360….still need to do a tad more research, but this article definitely helped a lot, i appreciate you taking the time to type out this comparison…this comment is being published on Christmas, so Merry Christmas to all!!
/me drops the ‘games argument’ in again:
ps3:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/
360:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/
Also, on the point of ‘ps3 being cracked and the competition all over’, even *if* the general developer codebase manages to get to a point where they can build code for the ps3 as effective as exclusives (which won’t slow down their development for other systems, ie it will always lag behind the competition) did the ps2 get dropped in favour of the more powerful xbox? no.
So, fanbois, even if by some magic the ps3 becomes the #1 development platform choice (and through all business & practical sense.. it won’t) it won’t suddenly become the only platform.
And if anyone wants a laugh: http://www.sonydefenceforce.com :)
I have the PS3, and i have the xbox 360, simply, in my fullHD screen, the ps3 is the better one, im selling my xbox so i can buy blurays movies and games
Yo im thinking about buying the 399 PS3 since haze, and UT3 are out or coming out. Is the 399 version the same aside from reverse compatibility. Also has the issue with the wireless controllers connection being interupted been corrected yet? I already own both other consoles so i figure I might as well buy a PS3, but I want to make sure the 399 version is up to standard. Later on.
Add this add that, Do this do that, if you add all of this then the PS3 is a better deal. RROD, RROD, blah, blah, blah.
If you want to play games buy a 360. If you want BLUE RAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! buy this “DVD”player/George Foreman Grill(that can also play games if you wanted to do that for some reason, hah)!!!!!!!!!
I am probably in the minority for saying this, but the only reason I buy new consoles is to play the Final Fantasy series. I am not going to but a PS3 until the FF13s (versus etc) come out, Then when the FF franchise moves, so will I. I tried to get into the Half-Life series and Halo, but the screen “movement” makes me throw up every time I try to play. Oh well.
meh I work in a game retailer and have seen both systems grow since their release dates. Which would I choose? The 360.. hands down.
I’ve seen both run side by side, done all the tests with multiplatform games and the 360 wins every time. The one thing that stands out to me is HDR lighting, it always looks better on the 360.
We (work crew) played fight night round 3 to death on our PS3 IDU for the first 4 months of its release and now the controllers are absolutely rooted. The thumbsticks don’t even bounce back to the center anymore, pretty pathetic really considering FN3 was a release title and many the many people that got this as their first game probably have broked controllers as well.
The heat problem is just as bad on the PS3, sure its not as loud as the 360 but it gets just as if not more heated.
All the new games that I see get released always take 2 weeks to 2 months longer to be released on the PS3. Prime examples… Orange Box and Stranglehold. I’ve heard some people going on about Unreal Tournament 3 being awesome on the PS3 but from what I’ve read they’ve had big troubles optimizing the UT3 engine for the PS3. Hence the big delay on Stranglehold.
Online play on the PS3 is really dodgy, you won’t to be able to log onto what feels like a community, play with your gaming buddies, chat etc… it just awkward on the PS3.
My summary is that from my personal experience having played both consoles alot, seeing games and accessories release on both and just seeing them grow overall, I would easily recommend the Xbox 360.
I don’t know about all this extra potential that apparently is yet to be seen on the PS3 but I wouldnt base a purchase on something that may happen in a few years because from what I’ve seen all sony’s ground breaking technology has done is make is harder for developers to run their game engines on the console.
The only things that bother me about the 360 is.
1. The recall.. thats just bad, when will mine blow up? I don’t know, I just make sure its always in a well ventilated area.
2. Support for the 360 when the next best thing comes out. It was shocking they way they pretty much told all the Xbox 1 owners to sod off or upgrade once the 360 was released. Shocking, I saw alot of people more to Sony because of this.
Thats me.. peace out
this article is really good I think i’m going to buy a xbox 360 because of the good gameplay,… but it botters me that the PS3 has more extra’s, like eye of judgement,( buzzer, singstar, … ) isn’t it going to be released on the xbox too or aren’t there extra’s for the xbox 360 ?
i hope I am getting out of this hard dicision
First of all i will agree with most people in saying that this was a really good article – easy to read and informative…thanks.
This is not the generation of consoles that we were all promised; the all-in-one media centre, interactive, online, gaming experience claims that were made by all manufacturers have not been fulfilled…and they wont be by these machines. The bottom line is that consoles are still primarily for games and gamers and anyone else who enters the market looking for anything else will be disappointed – if you want a media centre, buy a laptop, or streaming device or just a cheap multi-functional dvd player.
If you have the money, buy both systems, and get a wii too! If you don’t then i cant see why you wouldn’t buy a 360 first…it HAS the games, it HAS the online support and community, it HAS the better graphics. Who in their right minds would buy a $300 piece of kit because it MIGHT have good games, the online support MIGHT get better, and the graphics MIGHT improve… to be perfectly honest the graphics are not going to be so much better that it will make up for a bad game – the Wii has proved that graphics are not the be all and end all, its about the quality of the gameplay and the consistency of the games produced.
We have all seen that making pre-emptive decisions based on speculative notions and not on facts from the here and now can get a lot of people into trouble. But, hope is a wonderful thing and something that PS3 owners must have in bucket-loads.
I will buy a 360 in the new year and when i see that PS3 has PROVED to be a good console, i might buy that too.
You can ‘um’ and ‘ah’ for eternity…and when you have finally made your decision, the PS4, xbox1080 and Pooh will be hot off the shelves!
Cheers,
Dave
PS 3 is just makin babysteps right now for the next gen gaming.Why go ‘full throttle’(xbox 360)and try to jump in front when u havent fully accomplished the goal of the best next gen console?Now u have the ‘red ring of death’, trouble gettin shit off in europe,hd-dvd will be ‘old news’,and now bungie left microsoft and now no more halo. the next year or two the ps3 will gain exclusives and be the top console for next gen..mock my word
Good article. I own both a 360 and a PS3. I really wouldn’t choose one over the other. One thing I dislike about the 360 is everything is an add on. HD-DVD, Xbox Live, Wireless, all cost more $$$. I’ve spent much more on my 360 than I have on my PS3 (including an extended warranty because of hardware failure scare). Also the Microsoft BS, adding HDMI now, the “no need for HD gaming media” also scares me as Blue Dragon was 3 DVDs and Lost Odyssey is supposed to be 4. In the end, both will turn out to be great systems. I enjoy them both greatly. Not sure why people always want to crown a winner. The winner is the consumer because we have options and they compete against each other. That is obvious with the price drops we’ve seen. Again, nice comparison, thanks for the article.
As an XBOX 360 who owns the HD-DVD drive, and the wireless network adapter let me say the better “deal” if you are speaking solely in terms of dollars spent may now be the PS3. You however can not beat X-BOX Live. You can download, movies, TV shows, trailers etc. all in standard or high def and the interface is great. My friends online experience with his PS3 reminds him and me of a Commodore 64 from the 80′s (thats crap for you youngsters)….Oh and by the way you do not need the elite system to have 1080P capability for HD-DVD. You can use a VGA cable and it works just fine….
i dont have either game tha playstation3 or tha xbox 360.but played both game. i really dont know which 1 2 get im confuse. cause i here that tha playstation 3 is better that tha xbox 360 and some say that the xbox 360 is better that the playstation 3. i dont know. and i need better judgement.
Well Antwan, if you want good solid game play with great online and great graphics.Then the XBOX 360 is for you But and this is a But you what more than games like a multi media station then get the PS3 because that is about all it is good for. I am just kidding i like it but as a gamer i dont use it all that much.
You can all stop referring to yourselves as ‘A Gamer’.
I’m sick of this being a valid excuse for owning something only plays games.
This is like saying you won’t buy A DVD Player / Amplifier because you’re a music afficianado.
If I could buy an Amp that guaranteed my audio quality, plus provided playback AND had the inputs for my Entertainment set, plus the outputs for say 7.1
Yeah, I’m alright with a combo Unit.
We’re all gamers. This is why we own systems that play games, computers included.
Quick note: You don’t buy a 360 ‘because you’re a gamer’. You buy a 360 because you want to play 360 titles. Stop fucking about.
From now on, if you see someone referring to themselves as ‘A Gamer’, replace the term Gamer with Faggot. Everybody here is a gamer. There is no need to remind the masses, or use it as an excuse to owning a particular system. It is a cop out argument.
I don’t care if you are ‘A Gamer’, your taste in games may suck, herego you’re “An Idiot” as well as “A Gamer”.
Hey, what confusion! Was out all day yesterday looking for either a PS3 or Xb360. Couldnt decide, plus is South Africa, there is more to consider. Consoles are way expensive, R4000 for a XBox360 packaged with 4 games (incl Forza2) versus R4500 for the PS3 with NOTHING, NADA extra. Now, the games in the wonderfull replublic cost approx R400 – R500 a games. So, that means the XBox360 includes games to the value of R2000, which suddenly means it only costs 50% of what the PS3 will set you back. And the PS3 games are about R100 to R150 more expensive, and I have browsed a couple of shops, there is at least 4 x more titles available on XBox. Maybe our little first world third world country still needs to play catchup. Thinking I will get the XBox though, dont know 1 person who has a PS3, at least I can exchange games with other Xbox saffas and curb the huge cost involved in playing games.
can someone please answer my question?!
It botters me that the PS3 has more extra’s, like eye of judgement,( buzzer, singstar, … ) isn’t it going to be released on the xbox too or aren’t there extra’s for the xbox 360 ?
to oanka
i really dont think so….
i will also like to add that i have both a 360/ps3. to be honest, my 360 collects dust. i just enjoy my ps3 more. matter of fact my ps3 is on like 70% of the day. ccant do that with the 360 in fear of overheating/receiving the rrod.
i seen cats post review sites and such regarding which system “has the better games”. dont feed into the hype. trust me on this.
here are the games i have for the 360:
fight night round 3
halo 3
bioshock
prey
quake 4
lost planet
gears of war
mavel alliance
dead rising
crackdown
now note lots of theses games where criticly acclaimed… i lost interest in most these games. in fact the only game i finished was gears of war. and thats due to its length. me and my girl still enjoy marvel but…
and as for online.. i HATE xbox live community. lag issues in gears of war steered me away of fully capitalizing the game after i completed it. and halo.. lol the interface sucks. cats veto a map so most the time you only play a few select maps and you stuck when you THINK you going into a game only to find that nope… we changed the map!!! no thanks.
here is what i have for my ps3
warhawk
folklore
heavenly sword
uncharted
motorstorm
armored core 4
dark kingdom
jerico
resistance
darkness
virtua fighter
lair
tekken 5dr
warhawk is by far the most fun i had with online gaming! in my opinion it trumps halo 3 but hey, im only one person lol.
im a tekken fanatic but i refuse to play online anymore cause that lag just annoys me. lag wins piss me off.
contoller wise i prefer the ps3 hands down.
i do wish it had rumble thou (getting dual shock 3).
fps the 360 gets the job done. but for anything else? no thanks. controls feel odd. especially for fighting games. i have umk3 for xbla but i would rather play mk2 with my ps3 controller. thats a shame really.
add me
especially if you wanna old school beatdown in mk2 lol
psn/xbl: Hydefog9
favorite games: folklore, uncharted, warhawk (reviews not so hot but when it comes down to it, i enjoy these games over any +9 title on the 360.
The PS3 does have the Eye, the 360 has the vision camera (more of a webcam) and the PS3 has singstar, the 360 has scene-it with it’s big button controllers (fun times) and DDR with the mat.
Dooley, you are honestly the only faggot posting these comments. A gamer is anyone who picks up a game from time to time to play for fun. Obviously no one told you that gamers stick to one system and defend that console no matter what. That’s why you see all of these argumental comments given over and over again.
And by the way, you called yourself an idiot (in case you didn’t know).
” From now on, if you see someone referring to themselves as ‘A Gamer’, replace the term Gamer with Faggot. Everybody here is a gamer. ” ->
” I don’t care if you are ‘A Gamer’, your taste in games may suck, herego you’re “An Idiot” as well as “A Gamer”. “
ok. i just need to know if im right? because this is what im getting from this article.
buy a 360 if you want: TO FOCUS ON PLAYING VIDEO GAMES RIGHT NOW
buy a ps3 if you want : Basically a computer (to store and access pictures, movies, music etc.) and just play decent games and watch movies and sit and wait for technology to advance and make great games for the ps3
am i right?
Care…
Just wanted to know how you made out…I am having the same problem with my 16 year old…I bought PS3 and have offered to exchange for 360 (all his friends also have it)…but he does not want either system…he is happy with his PS2…go figure!
to edhe
thx for this information it helps a little bit. scene-it lokes fun to me. I still think its pity that i cant play the eye of judgement. But i am am going to buy a
xbox 360 today xD
Congrats Oanka – make sure you use your month’s worth of Live Gold by hooking the 360 up to the ‘net and making your gamertag a silver account. Also – make sure that the 360 you buy is a 175-watt version, you should get one anyway but make sure of it.
This is an amazing review!
Let me say first that the only console ive ever had in my live is PS3, 40gig.
Now, it has a blueray player, so i can play a dvd once in a while. Cool, but if it couldnt, i would just keep watching those on my widescreen laptop. I only have a medium sized LCD TV. So i couldnt care less about High Definition. Just like the most owners of the gaming console.
It has WiFi that i use. But my wireless router is just 10cm away. They are almost touching each other. But still nice to have it.
It has a webbrowser, but man its slowwww… and as i dont have a usb keyboard it takes longer to type google than to startup my laptop.
I am just a student and i own only 1 game COD4. Why? because the games are so freaking expensive. 70 euro, i have to workt 9 hours for that… It makes me sad when i see older 360 titels for 30-35 euro.
Its not that i am poor, but as i am just a student, working only on saturday for 8 hours, i have to pay the rent, food, electricity, books, fuel etc 70 euro is freaking a lot.
I can buy a game once in a while (mostly second hand) but now i am still waiting for that one game that will make me say: “Yeess, i own ps3″. I am sure that i would have an emotional orgasm by playing Halo or Gears but the every decent game on PS3 are all multiplatforms like Orange Box and COD. They say that i have to wait because 360 had one year early start. But come on, how long do we have to wait. The console came out in november 2006, thats more than 2 years ago. We are still waiting for a decent online comunity. PS-Home ? Ok, lets imagine that this wet dream comes true, and it will be everything that they’ve promissed. How many users will it have. Will people actualy use it. How long can u run through the rooms searching for someone. Can the servers handle those massive animated, voice and text info. Can those banners and publicity adds generate enough money to keep the servers running and people from sony keep working and making updates for home?
They say don’t worry ps3 owners, we will come up with great games in the near future. Games like Killzone 2 etc
But killzone 1 was nothing more than average. And all those other games… Where is the certainty that it wont fail like Lair did.
Remember the times of PS2 and Xbox. Xbox had more power is every aspect, had its own online community, better controller (unless you were used to some other controlls) was just a bit more expensive and just like PS3, one year late. Now PS2 has had more games (like 360) and “the brand” . So xbox never recovered or overpowerd ps2
I’m just afraid that while we are still waiting for changes with PS3, microsoft will come with xbox 720 and PS3 will become Last Generation, making people like me that own PS3, again to buy the most expensive console for the best gaming experience
Don’t get me wrong, i am very proud and happy with my console, just so darmn tired of waiting
I have made a video on this topic, using info from this review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1ZXwpv7Nc
In the end, you will be happy with both consoles
I have both systems, and love both of them, but not equally. Saying the Xbox has better graphics, just from my eyes, is false, the PS3 wins this hands down, and I love my 360, don’t get me wrong. For a baseball fan, the PS3 has the only game worth buying, The Show. The PS3 is smoother to me. The real problem I saw with the article is the bashing of the software PS2 compatability. Does anyone else realize software is updatable…hardware not so much, think how much more flexible the software can be. Recommendations for anyone looking…the PS3 is still damn expensive for a game system, but in my mind the superior of the two, but 360 is still a *fantastic* system, I think anyone wins with either one.
Why not turn off the wifi & use the cable and save a few quid a year? :)
Or sell the PS3 and get a 360 & enjoy budget titles and cheap arcade games? (don’t have to buy live..)
Good point about the community – i have a friend (cybox) who was playing CoD4 the other night and there were two 360-hating ps3 owners playing it giving people grief and protesting the superiority blah blah blah. He asked why they were playing on the 360 then and their answer was that they couldn’t get a good game on PSN. Only time the servers filled they were playing foreigners and could organise their tactics.
PSN & Home has plenty *potential* but it can’t beat live’s integrated system, community, support, community & integral ranking system for pairing everyone off against people of similar skills.
so basically this comparison is based on what has happened in a year, so answer this, if the PS3 had to come out the same time as the 360, what would your argument be then?? In a year time bring out another aticle!!! then see what your answer is!
does anybody take into consideration the fact that both systems firmware is updatable via internet. and that peoples thoughts about psn being crappy are probably going to get along to sony influencing them to fix and update it eventually rivaling live?
i have both ps3 and xbox 360 the ps3 is just not keeping up with the 360 gamewise. I only use the ps3 for watching movies if you are buying a console for games its the 360 hands down for movies its the ps3 hands down. Again, the PS3 games suck in comparasion to the 360 so if you want great games go buy a 360.
I take that back I do play Warhawk but really that is the only game that gets playing time on my ps3
seriously6 guy s i kno were yr comin from about wats better ps3 or 360 to b honest i love my xbox the experience ive had on it is sensational how ever i thought ps3 was a big build up and i thought it was expensive well my mate like a numpt has bought ps 3 n he regrets it as were both pro evo fans best game in world well on my 360 its excellent i mean excellent no fault wat so ever how ever it seem s to me on ps3 it cant keep up with the frame rate per second as it judders all time me personaly i dont believe there a good enough excuse for this he now has just visits my house n plays pro evo on 360 how ever ive just bought a hd tv n got ps3 free so i will compete in games on my tv n see which one is best how ever konami ps3 pro evo nah wat were u thinking even releasing it n gett high rating s for ps3 version disgraceful but metal gear 4 will b shit hot n so will res 5 time will tell
When you look at the reality the playstation is actually value for money in every aspect. A blu-ray dvd player costs around £250 on its own to start with a its cheapest price. With the playstation costing around £350 with a game and 2 wirelsess controllers you are looking at a bargain. Ok, there arent as many games on the playstation as of yet but where playstation 2 carried on producing games and Xbox didnt, it seems like that may just happen again in years to come. Proved a good point??? yes, ithought so.
I have been wanting an X-Box 360, but now that I read this article, I really wanna get the playsation 3, mainly because its online play is free, and its graphichs are better.
I bought a PS3 last November and think its great, had a PS2 and a PS1, it always was a bit more, but it lasts longer and the games are replayable and fun. Get a PS3, its worth it, but the xbox is ok, the PS3 is great….
the games will come
PS3 = ‘potential’, ‘future’, ‘eventually’, ‘dvd player’
360 = ‘best games around’, ‘most games’, ‘best ports’, ‘best online service’, ‘cheaper’,'community’, has the last 2 games of the year
The ps3 is not the games machine of choice this generation, far from it. It’s a Blue-ray trojan horse with terrible support for developers for actual games. It was designed to force the (huge) playstation2 fanbase onto Blueray as a corporate ploy, whereas the Wii and 360 are designed for gaming first, anything else second.
With above people saying that 2008 ‘will be the ps3′s year’ you have to laugh. Even without ‘heavy hitters’ the Wii and 360 have far more attractive titles than the ps3rd.
A ps3 is the worst investment in gaming platforms this generation.
Ugh, if I see another person say the 360 is cheaper I will puke. I own both a 360 and a PS3. I’m bought them for gaming and next gen movies. My investment in the PS3 is 399.99 for the system and 49.99 for an extra controller. My investment in my 360 is 399.99 for the 360, 199.99 for HD-DVD player, 49.99 a year for Live, 39.99 for extra controller, 29.99 for charger and battery pack, 11.99 for extra battery pack, 59.99 for extended warranty due to the first one I bought failing immediately. Also, it has no HDMI which was released later which pisses me off. So look at the numbers, they don’t lie. I’ve sunk a ton of money into my 360. Yes I like the 360, but don’t try to sell people on it by saying it is cheaper. I have found exactly the opposite. While I know the 360 has had price drops since I bought it, these are the prices I paid. It would still add up to more with current pricing.
Hey, I’m from the uk and over here they still sell the 60gb version of ps3.
Also i’m not a fanboy of any of the consoles, but i hear that sumthing called play tv is coming out on ps3 in the new year, this is causing alot of talk.
One thing i dont like about the ps3 is the fact all the hype was made and in one year, games dont use the full potential of the console. Who can seriously tell me with with 100% certainty that the games will explode to be better than the 360?
However, I have wireless at home and i really dont fancy the idea of buying the 360, and a wireless adapter and further paying to subscribe to play online! even the wii has wirless and is free. Also, if you want hd capacity, you have to buy hd-dvd. altogether, this will cost way more than the ps3.
In the end, i think i’m going for the ps3, its got the full package with less worrying about all the over heating hassles.
rumble is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i was just at my friends house playing his ps3 (that he just got instead of another 360) and we where playing motorstorm, for a second and i paused in the middle of a race and noticed the pause menu, and i played this game a long time ago and i noticed the menu must have changed with an update that came out for the game. and along with activating motion sensing (now low-high) there was also rumble (low-high) but my friends controller didnt have it, so they must of just came out with it.
to anyone that got a ps3 becuase its a gaming console and blue ray dvd player, remember that the game ps3 is primarily designed for game blue ray discs and movie blue ray dvds actually wear the laser down very quickly. It was a common problem on the ps2 and expected to be a common problem on the ps3. Use it too much and you’ll find that your ps3 no longer reads dvds, blue ray dvds or even games! now thats value for money
Deimos,
so if you play too much dvds on your ps3 it will eventually not read games?
I assume that you have a 360, so just wanted to ask if you knew if the falcon chip actually works and doesnt overheat.
To all that read the post by Deimos: I would say this is a very irresponsible post. It isn’t based in fact at all. I had a PS2 from 2000 to present, used it for DVDs and games until I got my 360 in 2007. Never had a single problem. I would also caution that no one has reported any such problems with the PS3. If usage is a problem with lasers, it would be a problem with all systems (360/Wii/PS3/GameCube/PS2/Xbox) and DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray players as they all use lasers to read the discs. To Deimos, please don’t post complete crap and do some thinking ahead of time.
I hear rumours that Xbox360 tend to break easier than Ps3′s and also,on 360 if u can simply press a button to talk online, y not just have a pc and just give the computers some modifications (unless you want 2 update the proccesers, then u’ll need 2 get a new pc) and make it alot better, may cost alot but hey, will look really good!!! great article by the way :)
Though i really like ps3 because sony have made 3 (4 including psp) entertaining consoles. u might think that ps1 r really bad but back then, u just would hav liked them, and sony have even made a portable play station but microsoft have only made 2, xbox and 360 and the xbox dont even sell games anymore (unless at eb games or game) but ps2 still, think about it how many ppl like which
One thing I have to say is Sony still makes games for there ps2 unit and xbox doesn’t make anything for the original unit which makes me very upset you spend 500 dollars on a system than a new one comes out and they don’t support there old one which makes you have to by there new system and spend another 500 .. Sony on the other hand still supports there old systems with new games which I like and that’s why I invested in a ps3 the better way to GO…..
The PS2 LASER didn’t wear down from use.
The plastic track holding the PS2 laser reader eye warped with the heat from a CD motor that was too close.
So with extended play, problems would occur.
This was fixed with their next release.
Before you pukes try to taint anything with this little tidbit.
The original XBox had a little issue with the power cord. It would smolder, smoke and eventually just combust, because the resistance wasn’t high enough, IN THE CABLE.
Gotta cut costs somewhere.
Microsoft is a marketing company.
Look at you fans dance to their puppetry.
I’m happy for you.
Why is everyone talking about how many more games are out for 360??
According to the info in this article, there are 4 more(not ALOT) “good” games out for the 360 than the ps3.**Also, uncharted was ranked 90 on GameRankings.com which puts it in the ‘Really Good’ range.
I have a ps3. I have personally seen 360 game play and the graphics are not THAT much better. Yes they are better on most games, but this article makes it seem like we are comparing the 360 graphics with PSone graphics. NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE!!
Also the games exclusive to consoles should not make such a big impact on which you buy because many good games are out for both. (ex. Grand Theft Auto 4)S.O.L. Wii!
What should make a big impact is the 360′s reliability rates. Whats the point in having xbox live if you cant even play it!!!
Speaking of which, xbox live is where it exceeds the ps3, that is of course until HOME comes out. Even the beta version is looking excellent and theyre not finished yet!
Also, even the 360 fanboys know that the ps3 will eventually exceed the xbox 360 in every aspect. But they say who cares about future potential! With that mindset, there is no point in going to school and getting an education!
Also, Microsoft will do away with the 360 as soon as the next console will come like they already have with xbox 1.
Basically if you add all the extra bells and whistles like the HD drive for xbox and wireless adaptor, both of those alone will cost more than the ps3 80gb( not to mention the 80gb now comes with 5 free blu-ray movies by mail after you send in the upc code) !! If you only want to play games right now, then the xbox will be right for you if you dont mind the reliability.
Dooley:Have you heard of the rumble that has just came out for the ps3? And do you know if they are able to update games and add a multiplayer or a campaign to games (e.g. warhawk, asassins creed)
Games are updated semi frequently, as needed. It is done automatically when you put a game in.
This is an issue.
It is an issue because no company has done ‘updating the software’ as well as it could be done.
Firstly, I use Folding@Home. A lot. Herego, my PS3 could afford to download updates for games I have save files for, and have them ready to install upon use of the respective game. This is not the case, and a shortcoming in my opinion.
The DualShock 3 is an exciting little tidbit, but not one I’ll concern myself with too much.
I never cared about rumble and thought it was retarded how much emphasis people placed upon it.
In a world where I remove the air conditioning from a car and install a roof scoop, to save weight, it makes sense to take off the rumble in a wireless battery powered controller.
To save weight, and battery life.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/20/dualshock-3-ps3-controller-hands-on/
Insofar as PS3′s multiplayer capabilities go, I’m the wrong person to ask in regards to most games.
I infrequently play racing games online, and that’s usually ‘Quick Match’.
If I want to play a game online, I do it with my computer.
Seems base, but there’s nothing I’d want to play online with a console.
U’R forgeting something, in some countries XBOX 360 have shop and support for example i live in mexico with my xbox 360 i can shop and have support but for the PS3 i have…. nothing.
firstly, can i just say that all of you who are using this comment box to dis either consoles are complete di**heads!
after reading each review i think it’s obvious what is the best thang to do… buy both!! only as the ps3 hasn’t yet reached its ‘full potential’ i would recommend the 360 to begin with and the ps3 for when the price drops a little more and all these new titles are released.
personally i am a sony advocate, loving their products and growing up with the playstation. i hated the original x-box with it’s over-sized controller and it’s massive case, not to mention games that i had never taken an interest it. that was just my opinion at the time tho.
i have owned a 360 for over a year now and i have not been dissapointed once buy it or the games i have chosen to play. i love it to bits and although i feel like a traitor to my beloved sony i have to admit, this thing kicks ass!
on the other hand, i know that if the prices had been the other way round i would have bought a ps3 and i would be saying the same about that.
you know what tho, i’ll damned sure be buying a ps3 when they drop another £100 or i earn a bit more brass. and i know that just about everyone who has written a comment here will end up owning both consoles at some point so what does it matter which one is better now?
if you are going to argue over brands and not gameplay then you are forgetting what it means to enjoy gaming, and that is playing games. so shut the fu** up and get playing, or saving, and playing and saving etc
ciao mofos
Hey there Guys and Gals I have just spent a couple hours reading all of the debating back and fourth. Let’s face it both are great systems. I know for many new commers the question is which system should I buy? Before you can answer this you need to ask youself the following Questions.
1.Why do I want one of these systems?
2.Where will you put it?
3.What kind of TV will it be connected to.
4. How important is it to have a large selection of next generations game right now.
5. Does reliability and quietness matter?
After you have asked yourself these questions I believe the answers are quite simple. Get an XBOX 360 if you require access to a large selection of next generation games right now or if you are crazy about online gamimg. This where the XBOX 360 currently excels. That’s it! Now if you care about anything else and can wait a few more months its going to be the PS3 all the way. The PS3 is clearly the system that will prevail over the next year. I’m not completely convinced of the fact that the the newly developed Cell Processor will play a big part in this as I am with the fact that Blue Ray disk can hold more than twice the information of a standard DVD. This is that fact that will make the most difference in the future. As with most games and programs they are getting larger and larger, as they add more debt to game story lines. There will be more cut sceens as well as more levels and enviornments. With more space developers will be able to add more content. This is what will ultamately make the games better on the PS3. Not to mention all of it other media capabilities. The PS3 is not just a gaming system, for Sony it’s a strategy to get as many Blue Ray players in homes as possible. And with all of the time and resources Sony has put into the PS3, Cell Processor and Blue Ray I’m willing to bet this system will not fail. It will only get better and better. You have to remember Sony is a high tech media company. Their business is entertainment! Whether it be electronics, movies, music or games. Microsoft specialty is software. So to recap, if the number of games out right now is your priority then buy the XBOX 360 It will surley satisfy, but if your goal is to have a complete entertainment system that is reliable and can play Blue Ray and you can wait a few months then go with the PS3. It’s sure to win in all areas in the next few months.Including gaming. Sony is betting probably close to a billion dollars on it and I doubt very seriously that they will let this system fail.
Good articles, both this one and the previous one. But, I’ve since noticed that the PS3 has gained more ground as mentioned in this article.
So in my point of view, this is going to be a neck to neck battle between these two consoles, which we’ll have to wait and see who’ll emerge as the winner.
To sum it all up, spend your money wisely as you don’t have to entirely base your decision on all the articles about this topic. Because after all, it’s your hard-earned money that you’re spending, so buy one that suits you instead of one that excites you as it won’t last.
PS. I’m a Playstation fanboy, who own an Xbox 360. I’ve owned all Playstation consoles except this one, the PS3. Even though, I really like the PS3 but it just doesn’t suit me at the moment.
Good luck to those who’re still deciding, and big thanks to the author for these two articles.
As an owner of both consoles, my 360 gets played quite a bit more than the PS3. I even double-dipped and bought Oblivion: GOTY for the PS3, even though I own Oblivion on the XBOX 360 just so I’d have another excuse to turn on the PS3.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the PS3 and all it’s features…especially the multimedia stuff. Unfortunately using the PS3 is kind of a lonely experience. It feels a bit like being on a massive starship out in space by yourself while everyone else is riding on the party ship that is the XBOX 360 out in the Caribbean.
I think this has to do with the fact that XBOX Live is more focussed on it’s community and makes it easier to see everyone.
Hopefully this will change with Home. Unfortunately it could backfire if there isnt enough users to support it…think of it, walking through an empty virtual world would be kind of depressing.
Very good read, kudos….
i dont have a new technology tv, just a usual medium-small size, as the technology was at least five years ago. it s not any special, it just has two scart ports, so you see it’s just a simple tv. i ve been wondering if it would be worth it even to buy a ps3 or xbox360. i mean, if these systems would be worth it to have, while i ll be using them with this tv. between them, i ve heard that for xbox360 it’s usual to be problematic with that “red ring of death”, but it’s better as a gaming experience. while for ps3 i havent heard about problems as that, but still dont know what to choose. please give some advice if you can. i mainly want a new console for the games, but it could be good investment if it has a blue ray reader, which is heard to be a must in the following years. right now if i had to choose, i d say ps3, mainly because i d hate if i got xbox360 and it showed malfunctions. i d hate it the same if it happened with ps3, but i havent heard any malfunctions with it yet, so i trust it more. i cant buy both as i am in college and dont have much money, so i have to find which one is best for me. my biggest concern is about their compatibility with simple tv, as i cant also afford to buy a hdtv. anyway, lets say i decide to buy a ps3. i ve heard that the only difference between the 60gb and the 40gb is of course the disk size, but also that the 40gb cant play ps2 games. as all my games for ps2 are copies and i play them with the ps2 chipped, i think i shouldnt buy the ps3 60gb because i wouldnt have any original ps2 games to play. i ve also heard that they used better components in the 60gb than the 40gb, so it works better. is it true? if it does, i think that would make it a better system, apart from the disk size and the ps2 games playability. i m sorry to say so many things, but i really need a good advice on that, as i want to spend my money on the best and suitable console. thanx
40 gb has better components – it’s newer.
If you want a game’s system with the best games on it then get the 360, it comes with cables for scart and you can still benefit from great graphics even at the standard resolutions. You also get the live experience.
It’s pointless to look for a blu ray player if you don’t have an HDTV.
hi, i’m from the uk and i had a ps3 for my birthday and when i went round to my mates house i could see the difference on a HD TV. Just watch a game called motorstorm although it’s old it is absoulitly amazing on it and kicks the games such as gotham racing. But like most of you say Ps3 will win in long run coz of games such as gta4, killzone2,unrealtournameant2007 and resistance fall of man 2. And the 360 is already losing just look at assians creed the levels are shorter and it laggs and with one of the most popular games ever to be made the gta seris it is gonna take some battering from the ps3. Also the ps3 is just warming up as the 360 has already been pushed to it’s limits. The same goes for thw wii it may be good now but soon it’s going to lose to the ps3 coz of shear graphics. Also you pay for wot u get. The ps3 is more expensive coz it is going to win in the long run. Also how can u say xbox live is better!?. You have to pay!! with the ps3 u don’t there is never any catches with sony. Also just look who makes the best TVs hmm sony who makes the best phones hmm sony who makes the best dvds hmmm sony when it comes to entertainmeant i would always go for sony as it has never ever let me down thats why i paid £400 od for my ps3 coz i know it won’t let me down tnats why my family bought £2000 sony bravia coz it’s the best and it never lets u down. The 360 may have better games such as mass effect, halo 3 but if i rember rightly wasn’t these delayed were ps3 games delayed hmm no. Also and finally all consoles never win coz of the pc. How do u beat something which upfdates every month gets cheaper has ten times the amount of memory. So if u want to play gaming to the full do it like my brother and me get a hd telly or mointer get a ps3 controller plug it into ure top of range pc buy couple of gd games such as spore( coming out soon)counterstrike, world of warcraft and enjoy. But if u want to buy a console go for the ps3 coz it is nearest to the pc in evry aspect also it’s going to win in the long run evry1 with a brain knows that come on how long have we been waiting for this consoles is it going to let us down? i don’t think so.
Any facts in there Joe?
nice joe, thanks for being so objective. you’re obviously not a sony fanatic eh?
a little on what you said…
‘my family bought £2000 sony bravia coz it’s the best and it never lets u down’
i think you’ll find that all electronic equipment lets you down at some point and boasting seriously makes you look cool, honest.
and just what were you trying to say here?
‘The 360 may have better games such as mass effect, halo 3 but if i rember rightly wasn’t these delayed were ps3 games delayed hmm no’
just how many times was the ps3 console release date put back? seemed to be very slow off the mark. big game releases for all consoles tend to be a little unpredictable, especially for the bigger titles ie GTA. sometimes this is strategic marketing and others it’s down to game glitches etc. this is hardly a phenomenon.
enjoy your naivety big guy
The 40GB comes with half the usb ports and does not support memory sticks.
The 60gb and 80gb variants of the PS3 include all the ports.
There is no difference in construction quality between packages.
There is no package of the PS3 that does not include a HardDrive. This is why the 360 may seem cheaper.
Add the price of wireless controller and hard drive to Arcade pack and you have just matched the PS3′s price.
Some may live without the wireless controllers, thus their 360 purchase price will stay just beneath the price of a PS3.
PS3 with 80gb and Motorstorm: $500
Includes memory card support, 80gb harddrive, wireless internet, one ethernet cable, one wireless controller and one charge cable.
XBOX 360 Pro: $350
Includes 20gb Harddrive, one wireless controller, one ethernet cable, xbox live headset.
It does not come with a charge cable for your controller, has about a quarter the harddrive space and no wireless internet capability (that’s $100 extra).
Furthermore, it has zero support for third party devices lest they follow the Microsoft standard for crappiness.
Case in point: Logitech’s steering wheel for the 360 mimics everything the 360 wheel offers, except for the terrible quality, and hollow plastic feel.
Being that Logitech produces relativly effective hardware, the experience still sucks because of the gameplay, but the wheel does it’s best to create an effective control schema.
On the other hand, I use a Logitech G25 with my PS3. There is no Sony steering wheel. There is no Sony PS3 headset. There are no Sony PS3 hard drives.
There is third party equipment of which I can make whatever selection I’d like.
I want a bluetooth headset, completely wireless and made by Motorola? No problem.
I want a Western Digital harddrive of 250gb for $170? Here’s the link:
http://www.pricebat.ca/Western-Digital-Scorpio-250GB-2-5IN-5400RPM-8MB-12MS-SATA-Notebook-Hard-Drive.p_134072/
I want a system that doesn’t use proprietary crap, and comes with everything needed to enjoy it.
That means I don’t play Gears of War on 360, I play it on computer, where all 360 exclusive titles eventually end up.
Also, when they arrive here on PC.. strangely enough, they always look the same if not better.
You wanted facts? You got them. Lots of them. Again.
Want more? Want to argue with me? Check a couple of the posts I made above. You’ll find fact charts, links to alternative websites, and even me agreeing with 360 fans about the shortcomings of the PS3.
You’ll find that whatever bullshit you post in your illiterate method, I’ve already spanked it down in a previous post.
Why wasn’t call of duty 4 on the list of games for the 360
for 2008 the ps3 has over 20 games exclusive, the 360 has 11!
Enough said!!
“PS3, on the other hand, is completely quiet during movie playback. Whether you are watching a Blu-Ray, DVD, or other video format, the PS3 isn’t going to make a peep.”
Could we swap PS3s then? Mine is so noisy with fan noise, etc, I rarely use it for movies any more.
Maybe I have a bad unit? I got it this summer, one of the 60gbs
Sigh. This thread should die, it’s turned into a clusterfcuk of fascism.
To those that play 360s, enjoy, to those that play ps3s, enjoy and to those that play wii, break a leg ;)
I like sports games. I dont care about a steering wheel. Ill race my real car around my real steet and it wont get more realistic then that. which one should i by?
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You’re absolutely correct! I have both and I enjoy both (Xbox 360 and PS3 that is). I know people with either and rather than waste time and energy being a fanboy, they enjoy themselves. I know someone who had them all and sold them all just to play with his Nintendo Super NES which he truly loves. More power to them.
bloodfart: why don’t you go to a store and try ‘em both. With the same titles such as Madden, Tiger Woods Gold, NBA, etc., on both platforms, it boils down to which controller is more comfortable. Granted each side will have diffrent auto racing exclusives but most sports titles are available for either platform.
i agree with Dooley 100% as far as 3rd party products go the PS3 pisses all over the xbox, not only the ps3 having amazing game titles it has upcoming updates for example the new “HOME” witch is that Virtual Network place, Look it up ;)
u not only get the hdd it comes with but u can plug USB HDD’s into it, making ur music,pictures,videos even games saves and demos PORTABLE so u could go to a m8s house and share ur work.
as far as blu-ray gose.. what dose xbox 360 do in say 5 years time when games are coming out using 15gb of a DVD? u dont wank all these plug and play drives in ur front room do you, with the ps3 i think sony have 4t not only at the present but well into the future.. this new CELL BROADBAND Processor hasont even been taken to the limit yet..
anyway i hope that helps!
PS3 RULES!!!
Bloodfart: it’s common that crossplatform sports games are developed on the 360 and ported to the ps3. have a look at http://www.metacritic.com to compare the reviews for your favoured titles.
And although this is from the MS side of things, the points are interesting:
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/takahashi/2008/01/06/meanwhile-this-xbox-360-memo-showed-up-in-my-inbox/
you did leave out one cool thing about the ps3 and that is the 6 axis controller that allows you to use it like a steering wheel and so forth i think this is one of the best features on it. although i still like the 360 more.
I just can’t quit this thread :(
Latest Eurogamer comparison, yet again the 360 wins the cross platform release graphics/performance comparisons.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=89969&page=1
Thank you guys i went to my local game stop and i picked up an Xbox 360 because it seemed smoother on madden 08 and call of duty 4 had better graphics and was easier to learn how to play. Iwas not able to test the new GT for ps3 vs forza for xbox360 ps. i got a speeding ticket on the way to work this morning. 68 in the 35. $237.00
Call of Duty 4 is insain e
so, i m lookin for an xbox360.
i ve read that it s important to check the lot number, the chipset, the team, the manufacturing date, the hdmi port etc.
so if i go to the store and ask to buy the console, will i be able to check these things before i buy it, or i ll have to buy it and then open it and check them. i hope the first.
and what values are the best on the categories i mentioned above? (example: falcon chip… etc)
thanx
This is one of the best comparinsions that wasn’t written by a PS3/360 fanboy. Good job on that! When you take into consideration everything that you wrote, i can’t really choose. I only want a PS3 because of Resident Evil and a few other series being SONY exclusives. It is sad that no one has fully exploited the PS3′s potential. However seeing as the 360 is easier to publish for, it would make sense that people know how to exploit it. Having to pay for XBOX Live is also one of the reasons i don’t want one. I can’t have my mom paying $50 a year for something i might only use once a week. I don’t get why people are so defensive over video games…But i thank you for giving me all the good and bad points of each system.
For those of you who are basing their decisions on the upcoming GTA4 and FF13 for PS3, here’s a little advice. Those are no longer PS3 exclusives. They are being adveretised on both the 360 and the PS3. So… I agree the PS3 has better potential, but in a year you’ve seen very little if any of it, and by the time the PS3 does reach its potential, it should be a lot cheaper. Just go with what you want now, because by the time they are equal on all levels, or the PS3 is better, you should be able to afford one.
I am thinking about buying a xbox 360 in the next few months and do not have enough money (and will not for atleast 2 years)to buy a large HD-TV so i decided to use a pc monitor (22 inch or so) with HD compatibility or a small (22 inch prefferably but anything above 18 inch is good) HD-TV. I want to recognize the full protential of the system but I would be sitting right up next to it like a computer. Plz leave me a link or refference to a certain monitor or tv that is 360 compatible and will show all its potential.
I play my 360 on a regular tv and i am very impressed. but is hd that much better should i hook it up to my monitor. it says 720p ready is it worth it?
After reading this article and most of the peoples comments, ive come to a simple conclusion. I got ps3 back in april of 07. I just got a 360 today. So i have both. Over all, as of now…360 has a larger and better selection of games. BUT that key word “potential” that everyones talkin about is very important. Everyone remembers when xbox first came out after ps2, it was this big thing. But in the long run…even with more power. The xbox still failed to exceed the accomplishments of ps2. With xbox’s kick off, it wuz a step ahead of ps2. With some time, ps2 caught up and eventually passed xbox. Its the same thing now. Its just a matter of time. When developers get more use to the ps3 base and concentrate on what there doing, they’ll surpass xbox 360. Xbox has had a year ahead of ps3 but thats both a advantage and disadvantage. A.) they had a headstart but B.) Sony has had the chance to capitalize and learn from 360′s mistakes. Sony has the advantage of time on there hands. Dont sleep on the PS3. Both PS1, and PS2 where major successes and blew out there competition for years. Both werent neccessarily imediate hits, but still made marvels. Sony has yet to fail. Those guys know what there doing. We all gonna look back at these reviews sometime down the line n laugh. N smackin ourselves for even thinkin such things
Thanos, if you go buy a new xbox that has a hdmi output on it then you’ll have one of the newer models and you should be fine asking to check before you buy. if you can’t just go somewhere else that will allow you to check, it is in your rights as a consumer to check an item before you buy it, besides, it will say on the box what is inside so no shop keeper can really object.
i have to say, although i’ve heard many comments about how early 360′s die early deaths, i have had mine for over a year and i’ve played it almost every day with no problems (touch wood)… i’ve just kept it standing upright, away from any heat sources and i don’t smoke near it. if you look after it it should last you just fine. if it does die then i’ll replace it with a new model (or a ps3!!).
as you you bloodfart, until recently i was using a 21 inch lcd tv which wasn’t hd compatable. yes the games still looked great but just before xmas i invested in a 32inch hd tv which plays at 720p and i was quite simply blown away!
if you have the option of playing in hd, why not? how big is your monitor tho? i would opt for the larger screen over hd to be honest, nothing like playing games in bed rather than sat with my face pressed up against the screen!
for anyone considering buying an hd tv, bare in mind that unless you are buying a tv over 32 inches, you needn’t pay more for 1080p (or is it 1060p?) as it won’t make a difference to visual quality. the 1080p is for the really big hd tv’s.
thanx rokkus.
i just bought an xbox360 arcade, having checked most of things before. it is:
lot version 0742, team FDOU, 175w, it has hdmi port, benQ dvd reader, and as i have read, it’s a good combination, as it must have the falcon chip.
i hope it lasts!
by the way, do you know if there are cables in the market, to connect the controller with the system? i m just used to wired controllers as the older consoles used to have, and when i saw the wireless of xbox360 with the 2 energizer batteries, i thought i have to find a cable to ensure i dont have to pay too much on batteries every now and then.
that’s just what i think, as it’s the first day and i have no experience with this console.
i hope xbox360 owners can give me some advice on what to do with controllers.
thanx
1) Resident Evil 5 is cross platform
2) you do not *have* to pay for live. the silver service is free and allows you plenty of free things, just no online play.
3) get the “play and charge kit” if you don’t use rechargeable AA batteries in your joypad. it’s a wonderful thing.
4) Play the 360 on a monitor if possible, above an SD TV, you’ll see why HD is good. (buy the VGA cable)
5) Ask the clerks at a store if it’s the 175watt xbox, they should oblige – and that’s what you want.
6) the Ps2 never ‘overcame’ the xbox. The xbox was always in lower numbers (it came out after, about 3x more powerful), but with the crossplatform games they all looked better, always.
7) Recent rumblings from Japanese developers hint at them going crossplatform in order to make their money back from development by attracting the US consumer which is mostly the 360.
Thank you edhe u just keep telling it like it is. Im going to get the cable i need today and try it on my monitor. I hope it is an easy hook up.
Thanos, Greece.
Dont sweat the controller thing. You can either buy some rechargables or a play and charge kit for $20-30 cdn.
Enjoy your xbox360. I really enjoy the gaming experiance on mine.
The graphics are very nice, and the gameplay is smooth.
It’s just a VGA cable mate – with the base of the cable the same as the standard AV one and a VGA cable with the red & white audio cables.
Bonus of using VGA:
Resolution matching, no overscan like you get with component.
Single cable.
DVD upscaling.
Interesting!
Buyin ps3 for it’s potential is weak reasoning. Its the same bs arguement folks were saying to justify buying a Xbox. The xbox’s hardware was superior to PS2, and everyone was saying just wait it’ll be the system to own. That never happened.
Sony has a very good track record of growing their systems. You should still expect games to be designed to the lowest denomination. Cross platforms means access to more consumers. Even exclusive games have a way a later finding themselves being offered on competing platforms.
360 has an edge on games. Ps3 has an edge on hardware(mutlimedia, blu ray etc). IMO ps3 is better priced. 360 accessories make it more expensive.
As for online gaming. You decide. My only thoughts, $50/yr 360 better be way better then free ps3. I hope xbox live users keep MS in check and get their money’s worth.
Game quality is comparable. So it just what features are more important you. Me, i’m not fond of MS, GTA rules, blue ray drive rocks.
I personally don’t understand the concept of the ps3 having better games than the 360 in years to come. As mentioned in the article, ps3 games are indeed becoming easier to make. Not necessarily better. ps3 fans are not understanding that most of the new games coming out will be multi-platform games. Sure, ps3 will have it’s exclusive hits in the years to come, and so will Xbox, just like the last two years. If you want to wait for a great exclusive game to come out for the ps3, be my guest. Also as mentioned in the article is the better gameplay on Xbox. I can’t understand why you would invest in the ps3′s future when you can get MOST of the new realeases out on Xbox, and have better game play.
Another problem people see with the Xbox 360 is the noise. And truly it is a jet compared to the ps3. But actually, my friends and I have found that you begin to get used to it. At first it will be anooying, but you will grow used to hearing it. You get so involved in the games on and Xbox, that you forget about the roaring jet engine. As you can obviously see, I am indeed an Xbox 360 fan. But to prove I am not a biast towards ps3 I will tell you something negative about the 360. It is to put it simply, very fragile. If you buy one of these and want to play it for a long time, you must treat it as your baby. I also highly advise getting an external fan. Best investment I ever made. You can find them at your local Wal-Mart for like $15. I remember in the xbox 1 and ps2 years that I would always give my friend crap about his Xbox 1. I would always brag about how ps2 was better, and had better game selection. Which I still stand by today. The ps2 was a better system than the original Xbox. But my friend…the tides have changed…oh how the tides have changed.
i got an elite for xmas. this was the most difficult choice of a console purchase i’ve ever had. I have and still do go back and forth every day b/w which system i should have. Yes, for 50 more bucks i could get a blu-ray player and wifi. I dont need wifi, my router is by my tv. i have rechargeable batteries from my wii (last xmas console). Yes M$ are money hungry and make you pay for everything, even 10 bucks to change your live gamertag! There are tradeoffs for sure but the thing that got me wanting xbox was Live. I see 360 was the best at the time for games and the games come out on time for the system. that most likely will change for ps3 as programming becomes more second nature and less time consuming. Im a gamer, i want a game console that has games and will continue to have them as 3rd party developers will come to xbox b/c of its huge support, at least in the US. I will wait and see what PS3 actually (not potentially) brings to the table. Its online functionality is definitely lacking and HOME looks SOOOOOO lamn. My new xbox does make quite a wind chime tho. even the newest model. My brother has ps3 and it is pretty much silent and looks beautiful. Hes not a gamer, he’s a movie buff. But i want games…now. Developing a game that takes full advantage of blu-rays massive 50gb disc will take developers years to make a game. See MGS4 and Killzone 2 (delays). Yes it works and its bound to be amazing, but im not waiting around. I think the blu-ray discs are more for movies than games. we shall see. I believe both are great systems and you cant pick a clear winner. i like 360s controller better, menu, and game library (now and future releases). yes it got a 1 year jump. i understand but i just feel that 360 is a better gaming system. I’ll tell you one thing. if my xbox dies once in the 3 years i own it, its going on craigs list and im buying a ps3. it’ll be cheaper, slimmer and hopefully more developed in games by then.
is there any way to get audio from my computer speakers or do i have to get a cheap reciever and some speakers, or better yet run the outs from the cable to my old tv and get my sound from that. your thoughts?
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/01/mod-restrictions-holding-back-ut3-360/
Again, keep in mind folks, we here on the forefront of gaming heaven, salute you for being stalwart fans of a mediocre experience.
Without you, we wouldn’t know how good we had it.
http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/PS3Mods.html
It’s good to own a PS3… and a Computer.
I wonder if I can network the two systems together and LAN game somebody…
Nope.
Console versions of UT3 run slower, so that joypads can keep up.
So i doubt i’ll be doing my customary snap headshots & multi-drop combos on the 360.
Nice to see the mods will get certified in some way before coming to the box, will be far better than trawling through the half-done betas of old.
No the console versions (at least ps3) will run exactly the same speed don’t even try and argue about that one.
Anyway, why use a joypad?
Surely even the xbox 360 can support usb keyboard and mouse LOL!
Nevermind I will be able to play ut3 better than all of you on windows, xbox360 and even ps3 when the linux release comes out.
BTW there will never be an xbox final fantasy game unless developed as homebrew.
Also, commiserations Thanos, hope you have plenty of money to invest in one of these special Microsoft proprietary hard disks (and i thought Sony was bad for proprietary stuff) and this charge kit (i still dont see why it needs a kit, why not just a mini usb cable like the ps3?)
Also can someone please explain to me what the point is in an internet service that cannot play games on the xbox360, you cant even browse the web!! (making the console somewhat a step down from even the sega saturn, which could)
Slowed down console games is a Microsoft standard.
Nobody else has bothered to create a cross platform game just to ruin the experience.
Like Microsoft did with Shadowrun.
http://ps3.qj.net/Mark-Rein-Unreal-Tournament-3-made-slower-on-PS3-for-console-gamers/pg/49/aid/109084
Want salt for those words?
That’s freaking hilarious.
Here’s some vinegar:
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/03/keyboard-and-mouse-support-for-ut3-ps3/
And just so everyone knows I can be objective:
“The biggest challenge in doing cross-platform play is synchronizing the builds such that the build on the PC is 100% compatible with the build on the PS3. Unfortunately (or fortunately) when you [put] games on [a] console you have a lengthy certification process to go through each time you release anything new.”
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163210
Given that Microsoft developed the 360, and they own FASA (the video games company, not the book company) it’s obviously easy for them to push through this sort of thing.
Afterall… they’ve proven time and again, they don’t care if it works right the first time.
So the game was slowed down for console, but it isn’t cross platform because Epic doesn’t want to take the time to properly certify through Sony (as opposed to simply releasing their patch as their testing team allows).
I don’t want to Interrupt but I have a different question that maybe someone can answer. How can a 360 cost less if you have to buy ever imaginable accessory? It seems like everything I could want is integrated on the ps3. Am I missing something?
i am a ps3 fanboy, and i would do anything to support it, although doing alot of reasearch and talking to alot of people i just suddenly decided that i dont think that the ps3 is going to ever “realese its potential”, mainly because the main advantage the ps3 had over the 360 was the teraflop advantage, but unless they redesign the processor (an all in one) that high floating point iis going to be lost because of the reaction time from the memory.
I thought this was a great comparsion but im still confused, i have hade a xbox 360 for a year and it has broke down three times i cant decide if i should sell it and trade it in for a ps3. while it is true the 360 has great games i am tired of it failing.
Check out this link in regards to the debate of 360 vs ps3. Read the last 10 posts.
http://www.kensavage.com/index.php/archives/xbox-360-vs-ps3-an-in-depth-look/
Wow, a great thread that’s not been crapped over by ‘potentialists’ and actually has people writing about facts – nice find fc97.
And there’s a very good points in there, Cell processors are very powerful… at DSP work, not CPU work. The 360 is custom built for gaming, the ps3 is a mash of what Sony wants to be the next big thing.
*edhe recommends people read fc97′s link.
I will say is that if Sony has their way and people start veering towards these broadband chip architectures, then the code needed to take full advantage of the Cell BE will become commonplace.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=116728
This article provides a little PS3 insight.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1503.html
This article is great as I am a Dirt fan who started playing it on 360, and now owns a PS3 with a Logitech G25.
Size doesn’t matter.
If you know how to use it.
But the most radical peculiarity for programmers is that SPEs have no cache memory. Rather, they have a 256-KB-scratchpad memory called “local store” (LS). This makes SPEs small and efficient because caches cost silicon area and electrical power. Still, it complicates things for programmers. All the variables you declare are allocated in the LS and must fit there. Larger data structures in main memory can be accessed one block at a time; it is your responsibility to load/store blocks from/to main memory via explicit DMA transfers. You have to design your algorithms to operate on a small block of data at a time, fitting in the LS. When they are finished with a block, they commit the results to main memory, and fetch the next block. In a way, this feels like the old DOS days, when everything had to fit in the (in)famous 640 KB. On the other hand, an SPE’s local storage (256 KB) is so much larger than most L1 data caches (a Xeon has just 32 KB). This is one of the reasons why a single SPE outperforms the highest-clocked Pentium Xeon core by a factor of three on many benchmarks.
http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/197801624;jsessionid=RJ0SHFQJOWMZKQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=2
Thats quite interesting stuff to read, its good to see a derivative of the old 68k processors from the days of Atari can still out perform the x86′s significantly, so not much has changed there over the years then.
I ordered UT3 from ebay and it arrived today, I must say slowed down slightly or not its still a brilliant game! (as im sure it will be on every platform, even winblows) I will have to wait for the Linux release to compare it as I cant get winblows to install properly ever since I tried Vista and then removed it.
I have played both an xbox 360 and a playstation 3 and from what ive seen – the xbox glitches, lags and freezes. It sounds like it could explode at any second. I have oblvion and it struggles to stay alive while playing the game. It may just be my console but the Ps3 sounds more relaxing…
Great arcticle.
I cant believe Uncharted didnt wow you with graphics tho and interestingly enough, Ratchet is a 3rd party game.
I have always had playstations and just recently desided to get a 360 and im more then happy with my desition
if in 2 or 3 years the ps3 blows the 360 out of the water with its full potential i will simply buy a ps3 as well
so for now you cant go wrong with a 360
You buy a console for games not a blue ray player although that is a plus. Halo and xbox live own ps3. The only thing it’s got is a blue ray and cool games that come on the xbox 360 anyway. I haven’t played or heard of any cool games that are exclusive to playstation 3.
You buy a console for games not a blue ray player although that is a plus. Halo and xbox live own ps3. The only thing it’s got is a blue ray and cool games that come on the xbox 360 anyway. I haven’t played or heard of any cool games that are exclusive to playstation 3. If you buy an xbox after that was manufactured after sept it comes with new processor that doesn’t put out as much heat which earlier models were having problems with. It comes with headset and games too. Xbox 360 all the way.
i was going to get a PS3 but now after reading this article and others at gamespot and various websites i have decided on a xbox 360.
if you want really good games and live play get an xbox.
if u want crap games and a multimedia system wich has nothing to do with games but a PS3 =)
Great article,
I currently have a dead xbox 360 sitting in my basement because of a huge design flaw by Microsoft. Try taking the cover off each of these systems and I think it is pretty easy to figure out who did their homework. I was just talking to a friend as work who also has an XBOX 360..guess what? It’s dead too. I acknowlege that Microsoft has great ‘XBOX only’ games, but I just can’t get past the reliability of the xbox console. Another thing that bugs me is that you have to buy all the accessories for XBOX seperately. Seeing as I don’t currently have a PS3 I really can’t comment on it, but that will change in the coming weeks. I look forward to bringing the 80gb ps3 home. First on tap will be Unreal Tourny 3, and Dirt.
I have the original 60gig PS3 purchased during the launch. I have always been a Sony guy, but I will have to admit, I did contemplate buying the Xbox 360 just because many of my friends and nephews had one. I’m glad I came to my senses. As everyone can see, the games are starting to come. Uncharted, UT3, Burnout Paradises, Warhawk, DMC4, FFXIII. Home will give Xbox Live a serious run for its money. And it’s a matter of time when Blu-ray wins the format war with HD as Warner Brothers will only utilize the Blu-ray format and Paramount opting out of its agreement with HD. The PS3 is a very reliable machine and is predicted to last at least 7-10 years. So my advice to people who are confused about which console to purchase, treat yourself to a PS3. The Xbox 360 has run its course, and if you want a loud machine that is truely unreliable (RROD), then waste your money on the Xbox 360. I’ll give it to MS with its great exclusives Halo series, Mass Effects, etc… but what would you expect from a console who had a year head start. Great exclusives are on the way and Blu-ray will definitely win the format war. Be smart, don’t waste you’re money. PS3 all the way!!
it really pisses me off when i see so many people slagging off a console just because they don’t own it! (hey, how you doing Big e?)
how narrowminded can people be and just how old are some of you?
it isn’t about who’s console is better it is about the enjoyment you get out of what you have and for anyone serious enough about their games, they’ll have more than one console.
people who slag off the 360…
yes it is loud but have you heard your ps3 lately? c’mon, it aint exactly quiet. my housemate just got his ps3 and all he does is complain about the noise, playng games or movies!
‘the format wars’… isn’t the only real difference between HD and Blueray the fact that you can store more information on Blueray? don’t blueray games play in HD? so what’s the big deal? 360 games will always be on hd discs, even if blueray becomes standard. how many people actually own the HD player for the 360? there’s no reason, you can buy a dedicated hd dvd player if you like, the 360 is for games!!
people who slag off the ps3…
so it was a year late, what’s that got to do with anything? there have been fewer games on the console but so what? when the 360 first started there were lots of games available but lets face it, most of them were shit. their games will come and grow in numbers.
is too pricey!! hmm, well look at it this way, not only do you get blueray player but an HD player and a games console with a silly amount of features that the 360 doesn’t even dare to dream of. starting to make sense?
When it comes down to it, there isn’t really a lot to say between the two consoles. both are great, both have (or will have) amazing console-specific games and both share some amazing releases. The only real difference comes down to what YOU want right now… superior gaming now (360) or superior gaming with a load of other shit only in the not too distant future (ps3)?
i want superior gaming all the way through, i own a laptop and have access to the internet and mp3′s etc so i’m cool with the 360 for now.
when my 360 is getting a little boring and i think it can’t be improved upon any more i will go onto the Ps3. Hopefully by this time the ps3 will have matured a little, developers will be utilising more of those massive blueray discs for ever more impressive games and there will be cheaper blueray movies.
get the most out of this golden era of gaming and don’t limit yourself to just one console. if you are lucky enough to get your hands on both the ps3 and 360 you will find that for what one lacks the other makes up for.
peace to all ya fanny-dodging smegs
Everyone. If you’re a gamer, get an Xbox 360. If you want to watch movies in a cool way but play bad games, buy a PS3.
It’s really almost that simple.
All,
It’s not a new thing – slagging off of consoles dated way back from the Spectrum vs 64, to the home computer era of the Atari ST and Amiga…
Personally, I own a 360 elite – and it’s extremely impressive. That’s not to say that the PS3 won’t come good – if someone figures out how to program the thing properly, it will fly. For instance, GT5 looks just stunning. When the price drops and the titles get more prolific, no doubt i’ll consider buying one.
But for now – the XBOX 360 is a sound and excellent machine, with a plethora of excellent games – and that’s what makes it a sensible choice. I’m not into console wars – I’ve had it pretty much all my life – and somehow always end up buying the wrong one – in someone elses eyes! Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are fantastic machines.
just wait until the PS4 and the XBOX 720! – it’ll all start over again..and again..
I was looking at the new demos of metal gear solid 4 and the graphics look out of this world. better than ay game out so far. maybe this is the game that will show the potential of the ps3 like everyones been talking about.
Rokkus: dude get your facts straight, first of all, the reason blue ray is such a big advantage for the ps3 is not for movies, but for the GAMES. the ps3s games are on blue ray discs allow the developers much more memory to make the games on thus rendering them high def. BUT the 360s games are not made on hd dvd discs but instead normal dvds which is a huge difference in memory.thats why you have to buy the hd dvd player for it to play games. your the one whos narrow minded.
pogsnap, you sir are a fool if you think that storage medium impacts the resolution of rendering. There is absolutely no connection whatsoever.
Does your digital camera require bluray to render your 5mp+ photos? Hrrm. no.
For some nice anecdotal evidence to blow your misunderstanding (that more storage = higher def) out of the water check out the demo scene:
http://www.theproduct.de/
Ive had playstation (ps1,2,3) for 7-8 years and all of them still work perfectly fine and have never been anything wrong with them.
But before i bought the ps2 i bought Xbox and I played it for 2 whole hours before it crashed and broke :D
Great article as the majority have mentioned. After reading a lot of things online (recently) the neutrality of this article really helps people who are outside of “the loop” get a quick understanding of where these two consoles stand. Will try and keep this concise for ease of reading and hope it helps people who are unfamiliar with either system:
In my mid 20′s. Mostly into comps for gaming – PC desktop / Mac laptop. I have only owned 3 consoles: PS1 purchased the week it came out. N64 purchased for one game and one game only: JAMES BOND!!! PS2: modded and no regrets. Been playin on friends’ x360x till recently.
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:
Two week ago set out to buy a xbox 360 for 2 reasons: Guitar Hero III (GH3) and Rock Band (RB). Went to 4 different stores, all of them were sold out of ALL the upper two versions of x360x (getting an arcade 360 = no hard drive = stupid.) To me, this says a lot about the popularity of the x360x.
Didn’t want to go home empty handed so I purchased a PS3 w/ GH3. SONY has not released a guitar controller on its own so in order to get two guitars you must buy to versions of the game @ $100 each. So I had to buy 2 GH3 games. x360x you can buy an extra guitar controller on its own.
I immediately noticed that the general game load time and graphics load time @ character selection screen was much slower compared to friends x360x.
4 days later I purchased RockBand. I had been told that PS3-GH3 guitar is forward compatible (can be used) to play RockBand. THIS IS ONLY TRUE FOR THE x360x!!! PS3-RB can only use PS3-RB guitar and SONY does not release a RB guitar controller until MARCH ’08! (Suppsedly there was a patch created in order to make the GH3 guitar forward compatible which was apparently BLOCKED by SONY – I have not been able to officialy coroborate this rumor.) In essence, SONY forces you to buy one or the other ot TWO of each. I am deeply disappointed by this fact and quite honestly shocked at this blatant grifting. This is something that I woudl absolutely expect from M$, not from SONY.
This really pissed me off and went back to the store to return my GH3 games where the manager agreed to give me store credit for witch I am extremely grateful. While at the store decided to pre-order a RB guitar controller (due in MARCH ’08 wtf) and get a copy of Assasin’s Creed (AC) as I was amazed by the games fluid graphics when I played it on my friends x360x (although the game itself is awefully repetitive.)
Before playing the game, had to install 2 patches included on the CD taking about 3-5mins each, an eternity when all you want to do is game! But you get used to that on PCs.
Again, I noticed that the game load times were longer compared to x360x. Furthermore, the game froze my system TWICE (had to hard boot the PS3.) This is a known problem that I read about today at UBI w/o a clear fix.
Read the whole thing here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/4951053316
Also, the FPS lag / tearing in crowded areas is excruciating. In other words the graphics aren’t able to keep up with the gamer input causing a slow motion effect / choppy graphics/ mistmatched sounds and effect. I never experienced this on my friends x360x HOWEVER there are people above who have complained about the x360x version in above posts. The x360x version in my humble opinion is overall more enjoyable.
All in all, I feel like I got totally ripped off by SONY and conned into buying this system by the store employees.
PS3 PROS:
A few FANTASTIC things I did notice about the PS3 are the universal USB 2.0 ports. Hats off to SONY for deciding on that interface. Pluged in my 2002 intelli mouse and was immediately recognized by the system no problem (and I was not connected to the internet.) As Dooley has stated this is just fantastic but only makes the GH3/RB incompatibility issue positively in-excusable in my book.
BLU-RAY seems like the front runner as of a few weeks ago but just like the console wars, the consumer will cast the final vote.
Full LINUX support on PS3. ROCK ON.
Also, I think the PS3 “desktop” is quicker/smoother, much more aesthetically pleasing and refined than the x360x dashboard which is slow, ugly, and childish – actually reminds me of Mac GUI’s.
Ordering a 2.5″ xxxgig hard drive for a fraction of the x360x price and replacing it on my own w/o voiding warranty is the way it should be.
Built in WiFi on PS3: now you know why we call it “M$”. And for those people who are still land lubbers the PS3 has an ethernet port in the back.
The x360x brick runs very hot and it has caused my friends’ systems to freeze and crash. Also, I have noticed the x360x will randomly freeze for no apparent reason (ie within 10mins of turning it on.) And its an gigantic eyesore.
FREE INTERNET PLAY… FOR THE TIME BEING!!!
SONY has released information stating that it will consider charging people nominal access fees (in particular for having a fully functional version of PS3-HOME) in the future.
No ring of death.
x360x PROS:
Lots of people have it.
Everyone is willing to let you borrow their games!
You know EXACTLY what you are getting with x360x right now and in the immediate future, for better of for worse. You have absolutely NO CONCRETE information concerning what the PS3 will be like in a month from now and all I keep reading about are delays, for better or for worse.
Please!!! Do some hands on research before purchasing a system – GO OUT AND GIVE IT A TEST DRIVE at a friends house or at the store. Don’t make an impulse buy like I did as I am really starting to regret it.
Before you flame this post, I do not side with one or the other nor claim to be privy to any sort of information. I am simply letting people know the experience I, me, myself, have had so far and what I ahave seen with my eyes and even then I wear glasses.
Also, people who are reading this want to know what they can do with these systems RIGHT NOW – what they can expect when they get home, take it out of the box, plug it in, and start gaming!!! Not what they can do next month when Army of Two to comes out… nm that has been delayed that one as well (but at least its going to be on PS3 not just M$.)
Care:
What did you end up doing???
When will it end?
PS4 vs Xbox 720.. PS5 vs Xbox 1080…. PS3X vs XXXboxxx
STOP THE INSANITY
Think I’ll go back and play PONG on my timex Sinclair
Thanks these two articles helped me for sure to go with PS3. Why? Because my husband who is going to be 48 tomorrow loved playing guitar hero and I wanted to get this for him for his birthday. He loves movies and Blu Ray seemed the way to go. For old folks this was a big help and I thank you.
halo 3
gears of war
oblivion
and mass effect
+ BIOSHOCK
SHITS ON PS3 GAMES
better price, better online, better graphics…
If you want a blue ray or hd player buy one in a year for $75 dont buy a “GAME COUNSEL” for a dvd player.
XBOX 360 > PS3
2008 is the year that Sony comes out with their EXCLUSIVE blockbusters, just like xbox had 2007. We’ll see what this author has to say when he writes this review the next time around. Ps3 is obviously the superior system mainly because of blu ray. Who the fuck wants to buy an hd-dvd add on to watch watch hd movies on a going to be extinct format???? Play dvd games for the next few years??? (9 gigs max)
Developers are already having problems making xbox ports due to limited disc space… Kill Zone 2 will use all 50 gigs on a blu ray disc.
what is ps3 i thought they took them off the shelves. who would buy a game console that comes with a movie. call of duty 4 for xbox360 is the best game i have ever played.
Shows how smart you are doesn’t it
They may have taken some xbox 360s off the shelves due to the well known problem of them effectively being a time bomb (due to the numerous faults)
As far as I know there has been no ps3′s taken off the shelves and no common faults.
Although, entirely irrelevant (as far as I know the 360 comes with games too), that is a good question, who would buy a games console that comes with only a movie? I know I woulden’t.
kickback, unfortunately there are some problems apparently with some of the newer ps3′s. My brother and his friend both had problems where the the ps3 wouldn’t recognize discs after about 1 month of play.
I’m hoping this doesn’t snowball into something. Because That’s one of the things I liked about playstation, they don’t make backwards steps.
lol – - except for the 40Gb SKU no backwards comp.
I’m hoping that developers actually use the space of the Blu rays soon, Then 360 would need multi discs to play.
I hated that like in the original resident evils or some old school PC games.
Right now, the Ps3 has by far better exclusives than 360 and Wii combined x2 for 2008.
Just as long as MGS4, Haze and Killzone don’t pull a Lair (even though i love that game).
AAAAH f#%K! I am unsubscribing from this blog. Working in the motor industry I hear and read everyday how idiot consumers brag about how good their cars are and how crappy all the other cars are. Now I have to endure the same with the gaming consoles. I have a XBox360 and love it (COD4 Wow!). Next on the shopping list is 50″ HD LCD TV, and in Sept it will be PS3. Do I prefer one above the other, no, they are both awesome. Xbox just seemed like the better value for money at the time, was always planning on having both. So everyone kiss and make up, and dont diss one console just because you own the other one. What are you all, 6 years old? Petty shit this.
Pogsnap, you truely are a propper little gobshite. did you even read what i wrote or did you make it up as you went along?
‘pogsnap
Posted on January 15th, 2008
Rokkus: dude get your facts straight, first of all, the reason blue ray is such a big advantage for the ps3 is not for movies, but for the GAMES. the ps3s games are on blue ray discs allow the developers much more memory to make the games on thus rendering them high def. BUT the 360s games are not made on hd dvd discs but instead normal dvds which is a huge difference in memory.thats why you have to buy the hd dvd player for it to play games. your the one whos narrow minded.’
do you know how much of what you said was blatant stupidness? go back and read my post and think about what you have written.
where did i say the big advantage of blueray was for movies on the ps3? i didn’t, did i? i actually made the point you tried to come back at me with, that there’s more memory on blueray discs!! you twat!
you obviously don’t own an 360 because you’d know that it plays in HD. the HD player is for watching HD movies on HD discs, not playing HD games.
it seems that you truely are a narrow minded fuck-stain and all i can do is hope that the stupid fatal accident you numbly walk into stops your idiotic bloodline before you have time to sire more moronic children, like you.
Skidballas, i couldn’t agree with you more man. hearing people whine like little bitches because someone doesn’t like ‘their’ console or having other people boast and brag about whatever their rich fucking parents bought them for no good reason at all other than to keep their unwanted offspring quiet for ten frikin minutes, is doing my head.
Pogsnap do me a favor and jump out your bedroom windows. if you don’t live high up off the ground, just try repeating the same routine a couple of times until you manage to land on your head.
it seems like the out all of the comments up here average out with the opinion…
if you want lots of good games, now, go with the 360.
if you want a couple of games and a multimedia station, go with the ps3.
and shut up with the noise that the 360 makes, the ps3 makes a shit load of noise too!!
Hi,
Great article! As a man with both Elite 360 and 60g PS3 I unfortunately disagree with your conclusion but this is only due to me preferring the PS3 advantages and think that the 360 ones have yet to prove helpful.
BTW… PS Store is 10 times better then the XBLA! You can get games other than terrible 1980′s frollics.
Cheers,
Si
If you play literally 24/7 and so would exhaust all of the good games available, get a 360. That said, eventually you will exhaust all the good games for the 360 and have to get a ps3 anyway.
Any less than literally 24/7 and a ps3 will do you fine. People make it sound like there is only 3 good games available for the ps3.
Also, Skiballas, no matter how childish it is, it will always happen. People have been arguing over what console is best since the 2nd console/computer in the history of the world was released, its just one of those things. Personally I got a ps3 because my friends 360 broke and also I refuse to ever buy anything microsoft related. Also I prefer the media functions available on a ps3 and the fact that the internet is free, I am simply not enough of a gamer to pay anyone other than my ISP for internet access.
This review is totally pointless. How can you compare the x-box and ps3 if you totally ignore the 60gb version of the ps3? after all the 60gb model is by far the most superior of all models. It has all the extra features and backwards compatibility.
Oh yeah and to say that the online experience is not as good on the ps3 because you cant contact friends is a total LIE!!!! what do you think the FRIENDS option is for!
All the x box comments seem to be from xbox owners who are panicking at the speed that the ps3 is catching up, remember the xbox had a one year start yet does not lay better or look better.
If you dont own either an xbox or ps3 my advice is to by the newer, faster, cheaper(no add ons needed), graphically equal(at this moment but as we all know by the end of 2008 superior) PS3.
SIMPLE CHOICE REALLY!
Yes, totally pointless. The 60GB is far superior, I agree. However, YOU CAN’T BUY IT ANYMORE. This article looks at the CURRENT state of the consoles (in November 2007 at least) comparing them for people who want to buy one NOW. Guess what – your choices are an 80GB or a 40.
Alright PS3 fanboys…
PS3 Graphically superior??
In what? Framerates? NOPE
AA? NOPE
next: Loadtimes?
NOPE (yay blu ray, it takes 1/2 an hour just to load the friggin menus watching a movie)
Online system?
NOPE
sure you cave friends on PSN, but it doesn’t come close to the options I have on Live
Game library?
NOPE (And not just because the install base is smaller, it’s impossible to code properly for the PS3!)
To everyone that says Blu Ray is great for gaming, IT’S SO SLOOOW! But yeah, HD has pretty much gone the way of the dodo.
PS3 has a higher memory bandwidth than the 360 and much more dot product operations per second.
The online is IMO superior on ps3, for one I dont have to pay, also I can browse the internet.
Also the options you have on live dont come close to what I have available to me on Linux. Also I guess you must have tried to code a game for the ps3 otherwise you wouldn’t be qualified to make such statements.
If you compare the game library of the 360 a year ago to the ps3 now then IMO the ps3 has a better game library.
I dont really care about slightly longer load times (and they are only slightly longer) when I have storage capacity significantly larger than DVD (we’ll see who has the last laugh when multi disc games start to be released for the 360)
Whatever the tech specs say, you cannot argue that the PS3 has better performance in-game. Every review I have read has given the 360 the edge in fps and graphics. It may be a small lead, but it is there nonetheless.
The online play for PS3 may be free, but it does not have the options Live does. On live, I can join servers as a group with my friends, use the headset to chat uninterrupted within or without the game, achievements, I don’t have to deal with server lists, etc.
Linux does not help me play games. Neither does surfing the web. If I wanted to screw around with Linux, I’d use my PC.
I do care about slightly longer load times. How can you have a game like Mass Effect on the PS3 with it’s load times?
And how can you say the PS3 library is in any way shape or form better than the Xbox?
“pctomm” Your comment on how the xbox has a slight edge at the moment answers the question on whether to buy a ps3 or xbox.
The xbox game developers have been working for one year more than ps3 developers, and have therefore found all the capabilities of the xbox. the ps3 on the other hand has still got a long way to go until we see the full potential of the greater specs. therefore by the end of 2008 I can 100% say that the playstation will be a far greater machine than the xbox.
so enjoy your xbox just now but no doubt by the end of the year you will be playing the ps3 unless like most xbox owners your paper round doesn’t pay enough for you to afford a better machine.
to CARL NELSON
I got my ps3 60gb model on dec 22nd 2007 free with a mobile phone, the offer is still on.
you can also quite readily buy 60gb models second hand in the UK and abroad (all ps3 are multi region for games remember)so buying abroad is a good idea.
so in my opinion you should really have used the 60gb model in your article as this is by far the most superior console.
Hey Jammmaster,
my paper round? I’m not insulting anyone here on the forums, you don’t know me, I spend alot of money on my gaming, I don’t care what things cost, I just want the best. I use one wall of my living room as a screen for my projector, it’s 14 feet end to end, (4.5 metres), with my Xbox and my MacBook Pro plugged into it.
This potential thing is not panning out that I can see. The whole point of this article was to see how far the PS3 got in a year. Not far at all.
So maybe in 2 years it’ll be on par!! HHAHAHAHAA
If you look at a review for any game that is made for both consoles. The 360 game always has a better reveiw. I dont know what the future will hold. sony has the best track record, but if it ended now 360 is way ahead. The new GTA will be made for both. GT5 is just on the Ps3 and i know without seeing it yet it will be better then forza 2 ( no freekin tunnels)like i said though the games made for both, 360 wins with the ones ive checked so far. not by much but they are ahead.
If you have a problem with either one over heating maybe its time to put down the contols and pork your girl friend, and whatever you do dont try and get her involved with playing as well. she wont get it. you will end up chopping her up into little pieces and throwing her in the dipper geni.
Hey Jammmaster….
I have to say that the paper round comment is a bit uncalled for. You just got the “grootste doos” award handed to PS3 owners. Try to translate that!
Anyway, on a serious note, one thing I can’t understand about the online play is how all you first world blokes complain about a $50 annual fee to play online. Thats like R350 in South Africa, or simplified, 10 x double brandy and cokes at the local pub, or 15 packets of sigarettes, or should I say a lifetime supply of condoms and vaseline for Jammaster.
I would just think that in first world countries a small fee like that is something that people would pay with a smile on their face to enjoy a great product.
Just a thought.
God Dammit people…if you want a console that is suited to your needs then I don’t see the point has to why “this is superior to X and Y is superior to this” shit that is going on and on in this site. If you wanna get the best of both worlds, buy both the consoles. If you go for either PS3 or Xbox 360 then go for it eitherway. Now please and please stop bickering over which console is best or worst. They both got positives and negatives both in terms of hardware and software.
alright skiballas?,
$50!!! nowhere near enough for a lifetime supply, surely!?!
It is not how much you have to pay its the fact you have to pay at all that is disappointing for xbox users. put that together with the money needed to by peripherals such as a blue ray dvd or hdmi cable (both supplied with the ps3)and its a small fortune.
Never mind though at least your adding to Bill gates enormous fortune, you’d think someone soooo rich would actually care about his customers rather than ripping them off at every opportunity.
We all know he rushed out the xbox360 to make sales before the ps3 came out. This was the same strategy used by sega (where are they now) and nintendo (who have given up on next gen and gone with a family games console)and both failed so why do you think the xbox won’t?.
Nintendo have the sense to know there is a lot of money in a market that holds no real opposition.
The way I see it the xbox 360 is the console equivalent of Windows ME, rushed to market and full of terminal bugs! Microsoft is famous for this strategy of rushing things to market because they know people will mindlessly rush out and buy the damned thing straight away and so they can make more money for longer.
Although I completely agree with you on most things, jammaster, I disagree about sega, I think the Dreamcast was the best console out until the ps3!(Dreamcast now being the second best and 360 third)
ARE YOU SMOKIN CRACK PUT DOWN THE PIPE. YOU CANT COMPAIRE DREAMCAST TO PS3 OR 360
PS2 smoked dreamcast.
that dreamcast comment has to be a joke.
Good one!
The 360 really is superior now, but in the future both consoles will be considred “best”. To further my proof look at the last gen console war.
For me, it’s not about the console but the games. Whichever console provides the highest volume of quality games will be my console of choice. In the past, PS1 and PS2 have always provided the top games and clearly laid waste to everything else. I was considering buying an Xbox 360 but it seems that all the hype surrounding their exclusives leaves much to be desired as in the end they turn out to be pretty bog standard games. Examples? Halo 3, Bioshock, I really wanted Mass Effect til a friend told me it’s not all it was hyped up to be. Seems to be a repeating pattern with 360 games; huge hype, mediocre game. On top of that, the 360 is a terribly flimsy console unlike the original Xbox which I thought was pretty decent. I now own a PS3. I actually wouldn’t have bought the PS3 just yet but it was bought for me as a gift. I will say the same for Resistance, a PS3 exclusive. Most people seem to love it but I wasn’t blown away by it. I am looking forward to future titles like MGS4 and Little Big Planet. Considering that the 360 has reached the height of its potential now and the PS3 is on par with it even though they’ve only scratched the surface of what it can do, the obvious console of choice for me this generation is PS3.
I also considered buying a Wii but I know I’d just buy Mario Galaxy and Paper Mario and then it would gather dust.
lol, dreamcast. Thats a good one kickback. that made me laugh.
Anyway, i wish to put my two cents in… I own both a ps3 and an xbox 360 and in short i think the xbox360 is my preferred console of choice. I bought my xbox a few weeks after it came out so have had it for a while now and i have also had my ps3 since the day it came out. for me the ps3 has been a complete let down. every game that is out for it atm has no equal comparison in the genre that is better than an equivalent xbox game. The ps3 has its strengths dont get me wrong (a great graphical interface and multimedia options) but since owning it the only place it has on my shelf atm for is a blue ray player. I watch a blue ray dvd, once a month maybe. I havent found time to play a game on the machine for months now while my xbox sits next to it. xbox has its weaknesses to aswell. i had to send it into microsoft recently due to the red ring so i would have to say, the xbox isnt a very reliable system. but the fact that when the two consoles sit side by side next to each other, and only the xbox ever gets used says alot. i think it only really comes down to that fact to prove which is a better console in my opinion atm. I have no loyalties to either companies and so i think my opinion is a completely unbiased one in i own both consoles aswell.
My only problem with this article is that it doesn’t mention compatiblity or getting what you pay for. I own a 360, ps3, and a Wii and I hate the 360. I really do hate this loud and hot piece of shit that I blew way too much time and money on. In one year I have gone through 3 360′s. And it’s not like I play it to death, I have two other consoles that I play so it is not being run into the ground. I love when I turn my ps3 on or my wii and I know that it isn’t going to freeze on me. The 360 is a big waste of money. Then the article speaks of games and how the ps3 doesn’t have as many good games as 360. This is true, but I want to ask the question of how many people still play their original xbox as opposed to the ps2? The ps3 will catch up and pass the 360 in games. Will 360 owners be able to play gran turismo or metal gear solid that are coming out at the end of this year? No. And the even better thing is that I am confident that when those games come out that I will be playing them on the same ps3 that I have now and not my third one. Thank god that I got a best buy product replacement plan so that I didn’t have to wait months 2 different times for a new 360. You can’t play any games on a system that is completely fucked. Then there is the fact that 360 doesn’t have wireless built in. Why isn’t that mentioned in the article? Microsoft tries to charge you a hundred dollars for a wireless adapter. I by-passed that expense by converting an old router to an adapter but that was a hassle and doesn’t seem to work as smoothly as the ps3′s built in wireless. Add that to the price. Even my wii has wireless. Speaking of interent connectivity, I will admit that the online interface on the 360 is better than the ps3 but it should be seeing that you have to pay for it. And I can’t tell you how many times I had to wait 10 minutes to play a game of halo 3 online that glitched half the time while call of duty takes at the most 30 seconds and never gliches. Plus online play doesn’t work so well when your whole console completely freezes or tells you that the disc is unreadable when you know that it is readable. Still on the topic of online functions, both my ps3 and wii have great web browsers where I can surf the web or watch youtube videos on my big screen. Does the 360 allow this? Hell no. Ok I’m done venting about online play and would like to move on to the actual engineering of the two systems. Like mentioned in the article the 360 is very loud. The ps3 runs so smoothly and quietly. The article does not mention controllers or the greater compatibilty that the ps3 has over the 360. I love the ps3 controller. I’m over the vibrate function of game controllers. One day when I was playing halo 3 my 360 controller was close to dead so the vibrate function cut off and man was that great. I could control my battle rifle much better with out the controller shaking in my hand. The ps3 controller moved on from annoying vibrations and adopted motion sensitivity borrowing the idea from the wii. Anyone who has played heavenly sword knows how fun it is to steer an arrow into your nemesis face while it flies through the air with the motion sensitive controller. Also I love how I don’t get a work out from my light ps3 controller like I do from the 360 controller. Also if you are like me and have 4 360 controllers for halo you can spend your life savings on batteries. If you don’t want to do that then you can BUY battery packs thus costing you more money for the already expensive controllers. I purchased four battery packs to save money but as the battery packs got older they worked for a shorter and shorter period of time. I always have one controller still using regular batteries because the packs die so quickly. The ps3 controllers on the other hand come with chargeable batteries in them. On top of that you can use any usb cable to charge the controllers where with 360 you once again have to BUY the cord to charge the controllers. Ps3 also allows up to 7 controllers to be hooked up at one time while 360 only allows four. Also if you want to talk online through a headset you have to buy an xbox esclusive headset(Unless you got the premium or elite 360), with the ps3 any bluetooth headset will work which you may already have. All I am trying to say is that you can go get a 360, extra controllers, battery packs, wireless adapter, external hd dvd player, best buy warranty all to have it break (for me at an average of every 4 months). Or get a reliable better performing ps3 that by the end of this year will have better games than 360. Anyone who has watched the metal gear solid demo that you can download for free will agree with me on that statement. If all of this doesn’t influence your decision how about I tell you what happened to me just a week ago. My 360 had been freezing and not connecting to the internet for a couple weeks which I am used to. I come home and feel like playing some halo online. So I turn it on and it goes straight to the dashboard. This was weird because my halo disc was in the console. So I try to open the tray and it doesn’t move. It says on the screen that it is opening closing and then reading but nothing happens. The next day I decide to manually open the tray and to my surprise (I really shouldn’t be surprised by this point) my 360 had melted and chewed on my halo 3 disc. I can’t explain to you how angry this made me. Now not only did my third 360 not work anymore but it had completely ruined my 60 dollar halo game. The sad thing is that I still haven’t gotten to the best part. So I take my console back to best buy for the third time and come to discover that they have zero 360 premium consoles! The person working their said that there was one at another best buy a hour and a half away. So i trek my happy ass to the other best buy only to find out that they don’t have any either! Not only do they not have any but not a single best buy in the state of Georgia has a 360 premium! You might think that this would be best buys fault but its not. Microsoft hasn’t shipped them any. I guess they figure that if they don’t ship any out that you are just stuck with a broken one. I am done with this piece of shit console. I recently found out that I can ship my 360 off to best buy and they refund my money. So I am going to take my 400 dollars at best buy and invest it in my ps3 and wii becasue I am confident in the fact that whatever I get won’t be as shitty as anything associated with microsoft or xbox360. I think that microsoft should have to answer for creating the worst console engineering wise ever created. Save yourself a lot of hassle and stay away form 360. Please!
That was the best console article I have read in a long time. I was slightly disappointed with the 360′s lack of media support; i.e. Built-in HD-DVD, and with Warner Bros only releasing new content on Blu-Ray, it seems Blu-Ray have already won the DVD format battle. I was left wondering which would be the best console in years to come. Thanks for you advice, I think I’ll get a 360…
Excellent article! Two thumbs way up my friend! All these wars I see on youtube and myspace simply say “PS3 HAS BETTER GRAFIX, XBOX SUX!!” or “PS3 HAS NO GOOD GAMES! AND XBOX HAS AWESOME GRAPHICS ALONG WITH GREAT GAMES!!111!”
They had nothing to back up they’re arguement, you pretty much stated everything, Pros AND Cons! Astonishing job! I’m glad to know I made the right choice in choosing a 60gb PS3, over the 360, especially since thanks to you I now know that PS3 has PLENTY of steam left in it, while 360 is already hitting as hard as it can.
Warning. Big Post.
To you 360 fans who own both 360 and PS3. Since you’re such critical thinkers:
Next time you move to purchase a title, rent it on the PS3 and 360 first.
You’ve got the money, you own two consoles after all. Isn’t it about time you actually gave this little test a shot?
What a concept.
Don’t go blowing your rag saying you’ve done it already. Nobody just runs out and spends the money, otherwise they would have already mentioned it herein. I’ve followed this string. Nobody has.
That said, the next time you run out to buy your next copy of a game, rent it on that system you ignore, be it either one, and find out for yourself, once and for all, which one is better.
Personally, we know where I stand. I own a Wii, I own a PS3. I own lots of racing titles, a Logitech G25, two computers, and my PS3 is never off. It’s always folding.
Whenever I go to use it, it works.
It should be mentioned that EA has started supporting cross platform gaming with the computer and PS3… but there’s nothing like this for the 360, unless I run out and get myself a Live account.
Which, I’m sorry… just is NOT going to happen.
Pay to play? Online? Isn’t that what a MMORPG is all about? I don’t play those either… there’s no point.
The PS3 started becoming loud. I took a can of compressed air, like you’d use in any electronic hardware, and cleaned it out.
It isn’t loud any longer.
Something tells me, if you 360 owners took this much care with your console, instead of saying, “I paid X dollars for it, it’s better and should always work.”
Maybe your units wouldn’t overheat as often. That extra horsepower then wouldn’t be as much of an achilles heel.
Furthermore, it’s been stated repeatedly on here, by 360 owners, that the 360 does fail. Lots.
I personally know three ex-360 owners. All of which have had multiple 360′s go through their homes.
If your 360 is not crapping out, yes, you are the odd one out.
Be happy. Be glad. Because out there are lots of folks who are sad.
Yes your online is nice, but it’s not really that much nicer, and frankly, you pay for a lot more than just a yearly fifty buck subscription.
You pay for your movies, you pay for your music, you pay out the nose.
Your controllers ‘Play n’ Charge’ kit, for twenty dollars, doesn’t include the fifteen dollar battery that it would ideally use. Plus, the controllers are actually more expensive than any other system controller.
You can use a fifteen dollar pack of NiMh AA’s, chances are though, you’d be better off with the Lithium Ion… that fades in quality with time.
All this with a system that will put ‘Burn Rings’ in their game discs.
Burn Rings… this is a fucking term! They’ve defined it!
Which is more frightening? The fact it happens, or the fact it happens so often, they gave it a name!?
This is why Gamestop sells a $3 replacement warranty on video game titles.
If you own a 360, I’d recommend it.
If you think the 360 has better graphics, that’s fine.
I would honestly rather people like you, who would buy such a crap system, just stay the motherfuck away from my system.
Suffer your indignities and keep telling me your system has better graphics.
While you’re packing it back in the box, or replacing those game discs, or paying out for your batteries, or your cables, or your online activity, or anything you want to do.
You can’t even watch YouTube on it?
Seriously?
No, seriously, you can’t watch YouTube on the 360?
Motherfucker! I can do this on my Wii and the 360, with it’s incredible graphics… that freeze? Can’t watch YouTube?
Y’know what’s funny?
Here, chew this: My PS3 doesn’t watch YouTube as well as my Wii does.
There I said it.
The Wii. The YouTube Machine.
And occasionally, Excitebike.
And my PS3… the folding machine… that I regularly use as a Racing Simulator…
Yeah, it’s hot shit. I love it.
I can watch ANYTHING on it too… I’ve never watched a single Blu Ray Movie… I just don’t understand why I need high definition artifacting on my screen.
Y’know something though, I couldn’t manually install Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Demo.
I couldn’t.
Oh, that’s an interesting point, hey just for the record:
Allegedly Polyphony Digital will be releasing GT5P, right? Then as you wish to, you can add content by downloading it from the Network.
Fucking awesome.
Some for pay, some for free, all for me!!!
And my G25… with an H pattern shifter… leather wrapped wheel and solid stainless steel throttle pedal, brake pedal and clutch pedal.
That’s hot shit.
Dooley, how am I suppose to take you serious when you quote “Broken Arrow”.
Dooley, after all that, you can go and masterbate in your own faeces! Ha, eat your heart out “SEVEN”.
Thanks for noticing :)
I would’ve got the Se7en reference…
Since we’re trading movie quotes now:
“We had two bags of grass.. seventy five pellets of mesculine, five sheets of high powered bladder acid… a salt shaker half full of cocaine.
A whole galaxy of multi colored uppers downers screamers laughers…
Also a quart of tequila…
A quart of rum…
A pint of raw ether…
And a dozen amyls.”
hey Dooley, i got a quote for you, see if you can guess where it’s from…
‘dooley, you’re a pathetic fuck’
yeah, that’s right, it’s from life
go figure
New Retard Version? The 360 Elite comes with the HDMI output, which was the only graphical thing 360 lacked over PS3. I had a $399.99 replacement plan through best buy for my 360 (Thank God, I had 2 of them freeze up and got the Red Ring of Death from my 3rd, finally my 4th had no problems, and i got 4 wireless controllers through it). When the elite came out I just brought in my 360 with my replacement plan right down to Best Buy, paid the 50 dollar difference, and made the exchange. Not only did it come with 120 gig hard drive, an HDMI output (cord included!), a sick black wireless controller, and a new sick ventilation system that never overheats, but it even gave with 2 games! Definitely worth the 50 bucks :)
lol!
I’m sorry, child, did you have something to say?
…guess not.
Well, bravo all the same, it’s good to know you still have a voice. Just let it out like your therapist says to. It’s healthy.
Rokkus said earlier on to buy both systems.
Thanks for coming out, m8.
For me its all about tradition. I was so into n64 and didnt want all of the crap that went along with loading. Then i playedmy friends xbox and fell in love. The load times in my opinion were alot faster than ps2 it seemed like a no brainer to get a 360. So i did and i have not looked back. I want to get all three systems but the ps3 i only want for heavenly sword. Maybe they can sway me in the future but like the article said only time will tell. Great article btw its nice to see a comparison and not get all childish.
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I’m with ya gdub.
My third 360 just died and when I took it back to Best Buy, guess what? Not a single pro system in the state. Even better, not a single Elite System in the state. “So when will you recieve some more?”. “We’re not sure”. WTF???
Read that again…”We’re not sure”
Yes I loved the games on the 360, yes I liked the easy access to my buddies online… But THREE !@#$%^& consoles?
PLEASE!!! AND THE NOISE! I’ve heard 757 takeoffs that made less noise.
I still have my original XBOX and could cut it on right now and jam Ninja Gaiden Black, Fable, Jade Empire, Forza, etc. ALL DAY LONG and never worry about a game freeze, red ring of death, burn ring, and the list just goes on and on. Oh, and another thing, how would you feel if your “gamertag got corrupted” and you lost 400+ hours of gameplay? Believe me it happens, 360#2 gave me a complete demonstration.
I sold all of my PS1 and PS2 hardware and software when I got my regular XBOX. Now, believe you me, I will sell ALL of my XBOX AND XBOX 360 games, controlers, etc. to get some software for the whisper quiet PS3 I opted to leave Best Buy with (they actually had a couple of those).
Screw M$. They knowingly provide their loyal consumers with a noisy, overheating, screen freezing, disk chewing, hard-drive corrupting monster and apparently have no intention of doing things any differently in the future. Yes the newer 360 models have a better chipset (in theory, it’s still unproven) but they STILL have the same piece of sh!t ROM drive that has been the true cause of the majority of the problems the system has had since it’s inception. I don’t have a game for my PS3 yet but what good is a game if your system says it’s unreadable? (when of course it isn’t)
Anyone interested in Gears, Forza 2, Oblivion, DOA4, or Test Drive? I’m selling them cheap. Or might I interest you in a charging stand with two battery packs? How about an “optional” hard drive?
I’m done with M$ and I have a sneaking suspicion that when 2009 rolls around I won’t be the only one.
Think I’ll watch a BLU RAY now in 1080P…
360 is way better, metal gear comes on 360 soon and will continue to own.
the ps3?,well what can i say?..oh dear its like a whole new playstation approach its so different to the other playstaion tactics, its a shame really as i loved the playstation brand and anything playstation…what a shame, still 360 has my attention now roll on gears 2 far cry 2,devil may cry 4, hitman 5, soul calibur 5, gta4, resi 5, tombraider next, dead or alive 5, a new halo,fable 2, god …the list goes on and on ill stop now…
dooley is nuts, dosent make sense…at all…clearly hates his ps3…most likely gay….and is a racing freak…wait a minute what GOOD racing games are out for the ps3 NOW????? huh wot u gonna say bout that fool.
For all the 360 fanboys:
Dont try to argue back with dooley with insults,
he put forward his argument logically,
Now its your turn to comeback the same way, not through insults because you ran out of arguments:)
Ok, I’ll respond to Dooley…
I will pay for the online play. It is totally worth it, the amount of options Live has compared to any other system including the PS3 is totally worth it. Well it is to those who have friends IRL anyway…
Dooley mentions that I pay for more than that, I pay for my movies, and all that extra fun stuff. Is he suggesting that Sony lets me download movies for free? Wait a minute… Can I even rent movies online with the PS3?? Because I don’t even know if you can. And if you could, is Dooley suggesting they are free?? Yeah I pay for my content on marketplace… Just like do on the iTunes store, just like netflix. Can I grab a PS3 & watch red vs blue? I don’t think so…
Controller batteries? Whatever, I don’t think it’s worth discussing. Does anyone really care? How about my Xbox controllers have rumble. You say no big deal? Well if it was the other way around, I’d never hear the end of it.
Also (And this is huge for me) The Xbox controllers have variable pressure triggers. So when I play Forza, I can brake/gas properly, not full on full off like the shit PS3 controllers. So I don’t have to buy the steering wheel. I actually prefer the controller.
Burning rings in cd’s? Everyone has horror stories, my fuckin’ MacBook Pro ate my Medieval II cd. So again, no dice, that’s too generic.
I can’t watch Youtube? My fucking BlackBerry can watch YouTube. My laptop does, My desktop does, everything does. My gaming console plays games. Your console is so lame you would actually spend time watching YouTube videos on it… Don’t call us MotherFuckers you jealous loser…
Your PS3 is a racing simulator? I have news for you pal… Gran Turismo is not a Racing Sim. period. Forza is a racing Sim. If you have played the two, you would know. A racing sim is not about the number of cars, or the shininess of the car. It’s the setup options, the in race stats (What’sit called again?) That tell you tire temps, and all that shit.
Polyphony and their downloaded content can blow me, they can add another 400 cars for free if they want, they all drive the same anyway.
On that note, sorry you won’t have the content for GTA4. That’s Xbox only in case you haven’t heard.
And about your leather wrapped steering wheel, I’m not a geek enough to have a steering wheel for my games. If I’m flopped on the couch, where the hell am I gonna attach one? I’m perfectly the happy with the controller.
PS…
MY FUCKING CAR HAS A LEATHER STEERING WHEEL!! HAVING ONE ON A GAMING CONSOLE IS NOT ‘HOT SHIT’ It just makes you a bigger nerd.
Cheers
Awesome review!
Ive finally come to a conclusion…
360 is best for games (so far) and ps3 is best for multimedia features and DVD playback.
PCTomm for president!
I agree, XBox controllers are the shits, compared to PS controllers which are just shit. Everyone pisses in their pants about paying, well motherasses, you want the best, you pay for it. Let me put it this way, a Chev Lumina SS is a powerfull car, and cheap compared to a BMW M3. But the M# kicks ass, hence it is more expensive. I will rather pay for something thats quality and provides the goods!
Lol.
You can’t watch or listen to stuff you pay to download on Live without Live.
You cannot have Wireless anything without paying extra.
Lots extra. Twenty for a Cable to charge a Battery that costs Fifteen. That’s Thirty Five Dollars just so I can Play n’ Charge, in two seperate blister packs.
Your ‘race simulator’ uses a plastic kids wheel. It turns 200 degrees, and has no shifter… let alone a clutch, which your racing simulator simulates for me. It shifts as my grandmother would.
Not all cars in Gran Turismo drive the same, that made me laugh to read. Thanks.
If I were to be critical, I could say rFactor is a racing simulation, and Gran Turismo 5, with its umpteen cars, fully modeled interiors and complete capability for Clutch, H Pattern Shifting and 900 degrees Logitech Force Feedback, is a good game with decent graphics.
As it stands, it Gran Turismo fucking pwns.
rFactor, is a fantastic simulation.
Forza 2, has great tire physics.
The best, actually.
The 360 and it’s controller are dandy. I bought a controller for my PC. I play Tetris with it.
I have cool toys. I also know how to play with them properly, like a big kid.
I don’t masturbate, herego I don’t need to sit with my hands in my crotch. And feel the rumble…
As it stands, I can do without it.
Case closed.
Racing is what I do for gaming, it is what I enjoy.
I spent too much time at the track and it costs lots in tires, and gas, and repairs, and on, and on.
Anyhow, Microsoft successfully engineered, the Disposable system.
They’re all out of systems everywhere because you retards keep trading them in when yours dies.
My wife runs a retail video games outlet. Trust me, I’m in on the joke.
Why do you think there’s a bare bones Arcade version?
Because people actually want the system without a hard drive?
Ps. I don’t see Forza’s creator (who?) handing out Gold XBox 360′s to special cars that get in the game.
The PS3 is for people who want an experience.
The 360 is for people who want to ‘play games’.
Yeah, I take games more seriously. Eat me.
Anyone else here starting to think Dooley is a pimple face 13 year old with braces living in a fantasy world trying to convince the grownups he is legit?
Anyway, I stand with my original opinion, buy the console you like and that suits your profile. If you buy a PS3, dont rip off the XBox360 to try and justify your choice, and vice versa if you bought a XBox.
In a perfect world, we would all have both of them standing proudly next to each other in the TV room.
skiballas you are the kind of retard that people like Bill Gates exploit to the fullest.
You argue that because the xbox costs more overall, it must be a better machine!. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND BUSINESS YOUNG MAN!
Its like saying because a ps3 costs 400 british pounds($800) and the nintendo wii only 200 pounds($400) that the ps3 is far superior. This is not the case as nintendo make their money from the games NOT THE MACHINE. Each company has different strategies and price their different components accordingly.
Its just unfortunate that Microsoft and Mr Gates believe that an early release of the xbox would maximise profits, and guess what SKIBALLAS, YOU FELL RIGHT INTO THAT TRAP!
Sony have beaten off all major competitors in the games console market (sega and nintendo) and microsoft WILL BE NEXT.
Microsoft specialise in PCs Sony specialise in EVERYTHING ELSE (TVs, DVDs Music, MP3, MOBILE(cell) phones, games consoles etc.)so why do xbox owners think microsoft are better equipped than the leader in the console market? Because they bought a shitty xbox and are jealous of all ps3 owners, thats why!
Skidballas, couldn’t agree more with ya.
i just keep dropping back into this thread to see what shit it types next. hilarious.
i think he said something about a wife… is that on world of warcraft?
‘You can’t watch or listen to stuff you pay to download on Live without Live.
You cannot have Wireless anything without paying extra.
Lots extra. Twenty for a Cable to charge a Battery that costs Fifteen. That’s Thirty Five Dollars just so I can Play n’ Charge, in two seperate blister packs.’
Dooley, have you gone into a shop and loked at a 360? hav you ever played one? then what the fuck are you on about?
you get a wireless controller with the 360, plus some batteries so to play wireless doesn’t cost shit. your live account dictates whether you play online live, not whether you can go into the 360 dash and look at live and it’s features or your downloads. you can extend your membership by going into the dash, if you couldn’t people would have to use cards and codes to top up all the time. oh and the plug and play package includes a battery and a usb charger cable, you fucking spaz! have you been looking at the individual peripherals?
you sure are one pathetic wank sock… and you say your wife owns a computer game shop? pull the other one.
and if you come back at me this time, at least read what i’ve written first.
19era90, why don’t you read some of the crap Dooley here has been saying. the time for logic is over, if i was america i’d have bombed him by now and blamed it on the french.
i’m beyond caring who likes what console, anyone who gives a shit will just end up owning both. Dooley, please go drink some bleach
Hey Doily, Drippy, Droopey or whatever the F%$K your name is, you said it man, you are right, all hail dooby, dooley, donkey…WTF!
XBox hardware is more expensive with the add ons, but hey, once you have them, you have them. At least the games are cheaper than PS3 games, so in the long run XBox is more affordable.
Oh yes, Dooley, or formally known as DonkeyTit.
I never argued that a more expensive machine is a better machine, otherwise I would have said PS3 is better. I just said that if I think something will deliver the goods, then I will pay for it, instead of pissing my pants because my wife’s game shop is so kak that I cant afford to pay 50 bucks for XBox live.
By the way Dobbly, where is it that you met your wife, family reunion?
Hey SKI BALLS or whatever you call yourself,
I have read your arguments(?) for the past couple of days and the you continually contradict yourself.
One minute you say the most expensive is the best the next you deny saying this? do you really know what you are saying? Stop telling other people to read your “garbage” before replying when it is you who should read your own garbage before hitting the “submit comment”
p.s. I like your typical American response when things are not going your way. you know the one where your president says “WE DON’T UNDERSTAND THEM, BOMB THEM”.
idiot!
Lol.
Yet again we have another prime example of the kind of educated individual you can always expect to find on the 360 forefront.
Clever shit everytime guys, I’m super impressed.
This is who you play with online folks.
You pay for this sort of company.
Sorry, I don’t play World of Warcraft, or any MMORPG for that matter.
Like I said, I don’t masturbate.
Also, I don’t like paying for idiotic company. I have standards.
Like hardware that doesn’t burn out
Arguing with fanboy’s like yourselves is like debating against a studio full of crackheads, and everyone’s just finished off their bag.
The only thing perfectly ‘kak’ around here is your complete lack of capability for valid arguement.
You didn’t even argue fucking machines assclown, you argued that you’d pay for an M3 over a Chevy SS. Great.
So you’d rather the fancy then the straight muscle?
Guess what fucknut, that’s the PS3.
Oh you’d like to chage the argument? Buy a vowel?
Try thinking your analogies through before you go posting your bullshit.
Note: I only needed one post to tell you where you stand on the food chain, skeez.
Jammaster, i think Skiballas was only saying that if he thought something was better he wouldn’t mind paying more for it.
what’s the harm in that? it can be related to the most insignificant of things… would you rather pay £1 for a nice bar or cadbury’s dairy milk or 50p for uncle raj’s cornershop magic mix? i go for what i thought to be the better value.
in this case Skiballa’s obviously doesn’t mind paying extra for live and the peripherals. unless i’ve seriously misunderstood something i don’t see any contradiction.
on a different note maybe you ps3 dedicates can shed a little light on this one. my housemate’s ps3 controllers are just the same as the ps2, only wireless. ages ago when i first saw the ps3 being previewed they had different controllers that looked like big W’s. when did they change this?
don’t get me wrong, i think that the ps2 style controller is the most gamer friendly since the original nes controller. the new style xbox controller for the 360 is almost up there with the ps2 but that’s only because they’ve made it smaller.
i was hoping for something new and fancy for the ps3 tho. gutted they just looked like ps2 pads but i haven’t played any 6axis games yet, i guess that’s pretty funky? also, what are the peripherals for the ps3. do you get headsets? do you have to buy a remote control?
Jammmaster, the eightees called and they want their name back!
Anyway, if you did indeed read my posts the last couple of days, you would have realised that I support both consoles, and have probably stated on several occasion that the next console I buy would be the PS3. I am however sticking it to one or two blokes who seem to climb into XBox360 owners to try and justify their existance.
I will say it again, and refer to earlier post today, both machines are great, and if you have a XBox, dont try and bad mouth PS3, and vice versa. Have alway said it, and will keep on saying it.
My other problem I have with people on this blog is the fact that in a 1st world country people bitch about 50 bucks for online play. For five six, its fifty bucks. Get over yourself.
Thanks Rokkus, you said it perfectly, my apologies if I didnt make myself clear, but in my defence, English isnt my first language.
Fair enough mr. skiballas,
However you do seem to have a go at the ps3 and never the xbox, maybe DOOLEY wound you up(annoyed you) and you got a wee bit carried away.
Yes they are both great machines, but my belief is that sony will again win a console battle, as they have done for years. All playstations have been slow starters but given time they ALWAYS show their greater potential in the end.
Nothing compared to the ps1 or ps2, their is no denying this.
Dooley, who are you talking too mate?
there’s no structure to what you are saying.
you may like to chikety-check yo self before throwing out ‘fanboy’ comments too, mr hypocrite.
who’s been the centre of a massve ps3 bukake party? you. you’ve been on your knees slurping up all you can and regurgitating shitty ps3 comments like ‘ps3 is for people who want an experience’… go drink that bleach i say, and do it right smart. schnell sie bitte!
honestly, to say that 360 fanboys are pathetic whilst being a blatant ps3 fanboy yourself. kinda defeats the whole purpose of the article.
oh and earlier you said ‘Rokkus said earlier on to buy both systems.
Thanks for coming out, m8.’ what do you mean here? is it because i may have stuck up for the 360? well i’ve been sticking up for the ps3 too.
as for the food chain, i’m way up above you dropping down little brown nuggets of enlightenment. open your mouth and catch a few
Jammmaster, incase you just happened to miss one of my previous comments:
“Anyway, I stand with my original opinion, buy the console you like and that suits your profile. If you buy a PS3, dont rip off the XBox360 to try and justify your choice, and vice versa if you bought a XBox.
In a perfect world, we would all have both of them standing proudly next to each other in the TV room.”
Hello mr. Rokkus,
Why change the best control pad ever made?
On the headset question, Because the playstation use bluetooth tech. you can use ANY headset(old or new) for the ps3.
Because the ps3 was released later than the xbox, sony had time to add such things and therefore make it more user friendly, without the need to buy expensive extras.
i think you’re right there jammaster, sony do always win in the long run. i think that the blueray will be the final decider in this matter.
if people are right on here and the 360 games are going to be confined to their smaller dvd discs whilst the ps3 has ‘silly space’ to utilise, how soon will the differece be noticed for us, the gamers?
surely this isn’t going to happen any time soon tho. big name games like gta4 are still going to be single disc cross format.
will the 360 end up having multi-disc games or is there some other way around this problem?
I don’t think I’ve ever said the 360 is a shit system. Just badly manufactured, and marketed for maximum dollar. The true ‘gamers’ machine…
But you’re right, I did throw out a fanboy when I shouldn’t have.
Not because I’m a fanboy of the PS3, but because Skiballaz isn’t.
Anyhow, it’s Bukkake, and wenn wir schon zu argumentieren, nur mit einer Sprache halten, because I don’t speak German…
Figures your nuggets of wisdom would come out your ass. That’s where all the 360 arguements seem to come from.
nice, so i could use my mobile hands free for my ps3 headset?
that sounds pretty sweet. feel like a bit of a knobba when i’m walking past my window with the 360 headset on haha. they could have at least made it black so it didn’t stand out as much.
i have to say that if xbox hadn’t made the 360 controller more like the ps2 then i would have just blanked the system altogether. i hated the first xbox because of their controllers, so big!! i prefered using my mates cheap knock-off controller for it because it was much smaller. i still prefer the ps2 pad but the 360′s is right up there with it.
ta for answering my q’s
I feel a bit of love coming on here. Maybe we have all gone overboard with all the fanboy stuff. Instead of constructively commenting and chatting about 2 great consoles.
I’ll be big about it and apologise for the name calling. It is childish and uncalled for.
Anyone played COD4. What an awesome game, but the campaign is so short. Took me 4 days to work through it, playing only after hours.
Microsoft do have a way around the lack of disc space:
Bring out a new xbox by 2009.
usual Bill Gates marketing policy, make as much as possible in as short a time as possible.
This is why microsoft are trying to corner the US market as they have no chance of breaking the European or Asian market, which Sony have under their thumb.
haha… dooley dooley dooley, i haven’t been arguing for the 360… you seem to have me confused with someone who gives a fuck. i just like picking on you.
and bukake isn’t spelt with a kk. in japanese there isn’t a letter for k on its own. it’s bu ka and ke. if you don’t believe me check it out. don’t worry, i won’t hold your lack of japanese grammer against you haha.
i didn’t say that you think the 360 is a shit system but you have certainly been talking about it as if you think so. i have to agree with you tho, the 360 is badly manufactured and marketed for maximum dolla but then again i think the ps3 is too. the ps3 has easily been manufactured better, it’s a nice solid piece of equipment but it’s also out there for maximum dolla. all computer game systems are. the ps3 still makes a bloody loud noise tho, don’t kno why people say otherwise.
yes the magic nuggets of wisdom come out of my ass, keep eating them up
What a game (COD4) Skiballas!!!
Only had it for a few weeks now, currently stuck on that f***ing carousel level on veteran. Got stuck on this level last time round it is by far the toughest after the TV station level.
THE BEST GAME ON PS3 OR XBOX
true that
i love the airplane siege at the end most
shame we can’t play cross-format. that really would have sparked a cross-format war haha!
Yeah microsoft and sony should hang their heads in shame for not allowing cross format between xbox and ps3. We could have settled our arguments on the battlefield!!!
p.s I see at the top of this thread that in the US you can buy a ps3 80gb for $500!!!, it costs £400($800) in the UK!!!.
I might get a flight over and buy a couple, A flight would only cost me £200($400)!!!
Have to admit I played it on easy! Thought I would finish it on easy and then try it on a more difficult level, but know I dont see the point, cos you now know what is going to happen next. Will teach me not to do it again.
You should try it on a harder setting, it is more satisfying and the enemies are a lot smarter!
Never start a game on easy always start on normal/medium setting as this is the perfect challenge for newbies.
I just traded all my 360 games in and got Oblivion Game of the Year edition on PS3. I now have plyed it on BOTH ystems and so far the PS3 is a far superior experience. Better graphics (WAY bettr actually), shorter load AND save times, no freezes thus far, and best of all no noise.
What SONY bashers, no comment on the 360 ROM drive? How about those corrupted gamertags? Maybe when your on your tenth 360 console you can string them all together and use them for a boat anchor. Oh, I forgot, you don’t get to keep the $400 paperweight when it tears up because M$ has to repair it (NOT!) then send it to the next poor unsuspecting sucker…er…consumer.
Also, just curious, are 360 console sales so high because they are using the stats from the hundreds of thousands of replacement systems people have gotten? If that’s a marketing ploy it’s either pure genious or blatant stupidity.
Also, about the comment saying PS3′s make noise, I can only speak for mine but when it is on you cannot hear it at all. Doesn’t matter if you’re in game, playing Blu Ray, watching DVD, in the dashboard, etc. Are there pS3 owners whose systems make noise? I just wanted to know.
M$noMore, go home.
you’re not Dooley in disguise by any chance?
Jammaster, i played COD4 through several difficulties tho i have to say it really comes into its own when played online. in my opinion, online’s given me more enjoyment.
reckon they’ll bring out more maps like they have done with graw2?
are the graw games on the ps3? would love to see how fast the ps3 version is compared to the 360. i love graw2 but it feels so slow when i switch between that and cod4.
do any of you ps3 folk notice this or is it jst the 360? apparently the next unreal t. game is faster on the ps3 but both ps3 and 360 are slower than the pc version. boo!
Hey rokkus,
I also thought m$nomore could be dooley, his alter-ego perhaps, like spidey and venom!
Dooley would be spidey spinning his web of lies and we have all read m$nomore and his venom(ous) opinions!?!
games always seem better on the PC just a pity you cant get a playstation control pad for them. I hate using a mouse you don’t feel involved in the game as much and the pads the PC have a very poor.
Just bought unreal tourn. on ebay better not have to wait too long!.
Dooley,
What’s your obsession with not masturbating? What a are you, a monk? Actually I think they jerk off too… Maybe you’re a eunuch or something I donno.
Anyway…
Games usually look better on the PC, but that’s one system i don’t want to go back to. Talk about a waste of time and money. I’d rather have a wIII than go back to that shit. And all the OS issues and hardware incompatibility…
I love my Xbox. Everything is silky smooth, and the online community is awesome.
Hey Skiballas, you must allow your balls to sit on ice cubes before you play your XBOX 360 so that it will have some type of cooling system… right?
The XBOX 360 is ok, but the PS3 is the future. I own a XBOX 360 and enjoy it , but I do not see it improving in graphics or overall experience like the PS3 will. Once the developers learn how to use the full power of the PS3, the game industry will once again be owned by SONY. I think M$ should stick to making over priced buggy software like VISTA. If M$ wants to be on top of the game console war, they should include a fully functional web browser and/or a option to install another OS like the P3 does.
rokkus, uncle raj sells goooood chocolate. LOL
Nice work with your ménage à trois.
It takes three of you to … what?
Insult me?
Well, a little round robin circle jerking seems par for your collective course.
The 360 is an expensive lemon, and everything is sold seperately at higher cost then any other system.
There is no ‘in a perfect world we’d have both’. If that’s the song you’re all gonna sing, let’s break out the granola and ukuleles cause we got a hippy peace rally here.
In a perfect world there would be no wii, ps3, 360 crap. There would be a modular game system similiar to a PC that you could purchase parts for to make it as much a game system or as much a PC as you wanted.
Fuck off, I know a PC already does that, I’m talking about making it even more modular. Like the way your ‘hard drive’ snaps in and out on a 360. That’s modularity. Big word, eh? Don’t panic, it means things fit together and work together in a standard format. Sort of like Lego, that stuff your doctor lets you play with. Lego is modular building pieces.
So in a perfect world, you’d buy a skeleton system capable of playing basic games like the Wii. One game, one controller.
Upgrade. Buy a Chuk, buy a hard drive, but lets take it a step further.
I want a Cell in my system so I buy the Cell which is shipped by Sony.
Some want a different beast, they buy a Xenon.
Don’t bother telling me it wouldn’t work. You’ll just be proving you’re incapability for thought processes.
The fact is that if people wanted to design a modular game system in this fashion, it could be done, but the question at that point is the marketability. How to convince somebody to purchase a system just to purchase more parts for it.
Well we know the 360 owners would be all over that like stink on shit.
We’d just have to get Microsoft to market it.
haha… dooley, the world would be a much sadder, darker, less colourful place without you.
maybe you should put the cap back on that bleach bottle and get yourself a cup of tea in stead.
now what exactly are you on about? we’ve all heard your opinion and noone gives a shit. yes you love sony, good for you. why have you got a problem with people who own a 360? did bill gates touch you up when you were little? what man, let it out..?
you know what irony is mate? here’s an example:
‘You’ll just be proving you’re incapability for thought processes’
it’s ‘your’ not ‘you’re’, the latter means ‘you are’, for ‘you are incapable of grammer’ haha, and there’s a little bit more for you too
The problem really isn’t the mild grammar error I made while reiterating a sentence.
The problem really is that everyone thinks I’m a PS3 fanboy.
I’m not, really.
I’m just a guy who hates when people support crap. Like a system that has as many issues as the 360.
I don’t have a problem with ‘the people’ inherently, either. This is a common misconception (around here? say it ain’t so).
The problem I have is that people are defending said system, claiming it’s better and what.
Now the new issue is that people aren’t even defending the 360 so much as giving idiotic responses that insult me more than they cite fact regarding the system in question (either or).
Case in point herein.
I’m pleased to know I’m a source of entertainment though. God knows if this wasn’t entertainment for myself, I wouldn’t keep coming back now would I?
so you don’t respect other people’s opinions?
nice man.
i don’t think the 360 is a piece of crap, it’s the best console i’ve ever owned.
so you hate that do you?
There’s a specific difference between an opinion and a fact.
It oughta be the best console you’ve ever owned… there wasn’t anything better before it. That’s typically the case.
Funny thing the PS3 is the best console i’ve ever owned too.
The 360 is fine gaming rig until one of it’s many issues comes to fruition.
There’s enough people, with enough stories that I know personally, for me to say it’s a completely botched job in terms of manufacturing and design.
There’s no specific innovation or advancement in it’s technology, it’s the same old same old, but this time around, it melts down, it burns rings, and it costs a lot despite illusion that it is cheaper. You get less for more.
I don’t care if you’re alright with that. It’s not that I don’t care about people’s opinions.. to me it’s like saying “So you don’t like when people enjoy sawing their arm off? Well i’ve got a damn fine saw, and I’m sawing my arm off, do you hate that?”
No, by all means, sally forth!
Whatever floats your boat.
actually i rather like the thought of you sawing your arm off
By that rationale, I like the idea of you owning a 360.
Don’t stand the 360 on end as it may burn rings in your discs. They look like this:
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/images/2005/12/3060000000055738.jpg
At least I can be assured that with Microsoft, we’ll always have interesting Acronyms by which to call the frequent issues.
Like BSOD and RROD.
dooley:
stand on end? quite vague. vertical or horizontal, i assume vertical. but any kick or movement of the system in any way it lies im sure it will give those beautiful scratch marks.
Dooley. your “perfect world” is flawed. In a perfect world you cant just have “one competitor” in the market place. In South Africa, there is only one entity that produces electricity, ESKOM, and if you keep your eyes on international news, you would know that it is a royal fuckup with blackouts in this country. The same goes for consoles, as soon as you only have one entity producing the console, perfect or not, you vreate a monopoly, and them the consumer gets ripped off. I say we are in a perfect world, XBOX360 and PS3 keeping each other on their toes, and it is the consumer who benefits all the way.
You also describe a perfect system as one where you have to buy all the add ons, yet you complain nonstop about having to buy XBOX add ons. Maybe the newcomer to console gaming only wants one controller with AA bateries, cos he only plays 2 hours a week. The hardcore bloke wants to play 30 hours aweek and need recharchable batteries. The novice doesnt want XBox Live, but the veteran would buy it cos it is the next step up, etc etc. Sounds almost like the XBox360 is your “perfect world” without you knowing it.
The XBox is Michael Schumacher in a Ferrari, a great car that delivers and has reached its full potential. The PS3 is, lets say, Jenson Button in a McClaren, a great car that hasnt reached its full potential but will soon.
Wait, that wishfull thinking, Jenson Button will never reach any potential, he is crap crap crap. Most overhyped F1 idiot ever. Replace Button with Hamilton, not even PS3 deserves to be compared to Button.
Pimpslap_Hillary, why dont you come and suck on my balls!
Anyone know anything about Front Line: Fuels of War. I just saw it on my FHM Newsletter. The concept sounds nice, wondering if anyone here rates it. I see it is out on 360 and PC.
Hey skiballas,
I am happy you took back comment on button, not only is he totally over hyped he is a typically arrogant englishman! (he thinks he is better than he actually is!)
And stop slagging the ps3!
I know that the retards on here are making it hard not to but stop rising to the bait. They are both great machines with their own faults.
YES, the ps3 will advance further than the xbox, but xbox owners will have had 2-3 years out of their machine before the ps3 owners get the same gaming experience.
By then I would expect either a new xbox or for the current xbox users to by a ps3.
Spent most of last night mastering(thats mastering dooley) unreal tournie,
F***ING A+++++
no one will probly read down this far but i would to to add my 2 cents. I am a big dude on the fight for the little guy (sony ect.) but i purchased both systems and one of the first xbox 360s that came out. my opinion is unbiased. however i relized i play my 360 alot more than my ps3 because the online exsperiance is masivly better on the xb360. i have owned mine since they came out and it never freezes or has ever failed. the ps3 is way better with movies and stuff but surfs the internet very slowly and the games seem choppy often. but i love them both. i just enjoy the xbox360 more. its all about how you play and have fun, nevermind the bullshit.
haha… last night dooley spent time mastering something else.
is it a real problem to stand the 360 upright? i have had mine for a year now and not had a single problem with it (touch wood) (not that kinda wood dooley). nor has anyone else i know who owns one. i’ve been asking folk off my friends list on live and they’ve had no reports. could it be that the vast majority of the consoles are ok and there’s a few ‘bad eggs’ out there that have muddied the console’s rep?
real looking forward to playing UT, not played it in years.
not heard anything about frontline but there is a new battlefield game coming out that’s meant to be good. you can destroy a silly amount of the map and it doesn’t re-animate what you do blow up like some games. sweet
The reason why 360 fanboys get all crazy is that PS3 fanboys like Dooley make totally biased statements about the 360 with nothing to back them up. Things like ‘The PS3 has potential to be unlocked’ Well as the article points out, there hasn’t been much unlocking in the last year. Maybe enough to keep almost on par with the 360 in performance for the most part. PSN Home or whatever will never be like live. You’re in a dreamland if you think it will be. And to everyone who keeps saying the XBox has reached it’s full potential, you all sound stupid. Have you played COD4? fifa 2008 is miles better than 2007. All the new games I get are better than the ones that came before.
A previous poster asked me to respond to Dooley with a proper post and I did. Dooley responds with ‘I don’t masturbate’ and something baout his H pattern shifter again. Personally I think he doesn’t masturbate, he just sits on his shifter and lets it do the work. Anyhow, I’m going to make series of fact based points, and anyone can feel free to prove me wrong.
1) 360 has a bigger game library.
2) Xbox live smokes whatever PS3 has for online play.
3) Xbox live marketplace smokes whatever marketplace PS3 has.
4) Most games play at a higher FPS/look better on the 360. I said MOST, not all. I don’t care if Oblivion looks better, it’s 3 years old.
5) Xbox controllers are better than the standard PS3 controllers. I agree the recharging is easier on the PS3. But the controller itself is better on the 360.
6) a question, can you take screenshots in PS3 games and plost them online to share? I don’t think so… Record replays?
7) It’s harder to program games for the Ps3 than the 360. The cell processor may sound like a neat feature, but ultimately it makes your games more expensive, takes longer to code for and stops alot of smaller game developers from investing in the PS3 as a platform. No, I am not a programmer, look it up your damn self if you want proof.
8) The very article we are posting in proves my points as well. Read it. It’s at the top if you don’t believe me.
9) I can do basic things like listen to my own playlists when I’m playing, so I don’t have to listen to the crappy in game music (Burnout Paradise I’m talking to you!) You PS3 dudes have fun listening to ‘girlfriend’ by Avril playing burnout. I guess you can always wear your iPod headphones.
Here’s the PS3 list:
1) It doesnt crap out as often. Ok got me there…
2) Blu Ray. Looks like HD is out. But at least I can watch movies on MarketPlace.
3) You can install Linux and watch youtube. Slowly. yay I think…
4) You can sit on your h pattern shifter and it makes nice in your poo poo parts. While watching youtube because Heavenly sword was 2 hours long and your friends are all playing Halo.
Dear pctomm,
I was going to read all of your above post, however when i read the part about the xbox controller being better than the ps3 I HAD TO STOP DUE TO LAUGHTER PAINS!!!
Maybe your other points are relevant i don’t know i didn’t read them.
If there is anybody in the world, no actually the UNIVERSE who thinks there is a better control pad than the ps3 you are either stupid, an xbox fan boy or living in a cave.
p.s pctomm have you actually played the ps3? as I have played both machines and there is little difference at the moment. Yes the xbox has the edge (WE ALL KNOW THIS) but it has been developed for one year longer than the ps3 SO IT SHOULD BE BETTER!!!!.
2008 is the year for the ps3, does anybody disagree with this?
One more point pctomm,
I listen to music through my home cinema kit, I have my ps2 + ps3 plugged into both my tv and home cinema so when i dont like the music on games I TURN IT OFF (quite simple really!)
and play from my own music collection.
Really not that big a problem is it?
Anyway, games released later this year will allow the user to play music from their ps3 library.
Hey Jamm,
That’s cool, but I don’t need a home cinema kit. Speakers plus Xbox. It’s a big deal for me, because my speakers are in front of my wall, where my Xbox projects to. so to have a set of wires running across the living room, to sound system that I don’t have… with seperate remote… I like to keep things neat and simple.
My mp3′s are on a drive in the next room, i just press one button on my controller when I want to switch to my playlists, and it streams.
It’s just something the PS3 doesn’t do. Maybe one day it will, but like a previous poster said, by the time the PS3 does do what it’s supposed to it may be 2010
dear pctomm,
You have a games console but no surround sound? You don’t experience true gaming then.
Stick to your xbox while I watch/play blu ray in all its splendor.
anyway apart from racing games when would you listen to music? COD4?, Assasins creed?, unreal tounament?, Halo? after all thses are the games we are all playing aren’t they?
I agree with wacther
You need surround sound to totally enjoy games like COD4 and Asassins creed.
I thought everybody had surround sound!?!
And blue ray kicks ass!!!!
Blue ray is great… for movies
jamm, what;s so special about the PS3 controllers? You’re the one who’s living in a cave if the shitty controllers are the greatest ones you’ve used.
The first time I tried a PS3 controller I honestly thought the dude was using some old PS2 one. It has no rumble, its feels so cheap, the triggers are just regular buttons. On my standard xbox controller, it’s pressure sensitive, so I can give lots of gas, little gas, whatever.
They are the best design, most comfortable and feel solid and well made, unlike the xbox controller, which when seen next to the xbox, look like some cheap low brand controller.
Also the ps3 controllers are sixaxis. do you know what that is? probably not or you wouldn’t think the xbox “controller” was better, would you?
Sixaxis is a cheap gimmick.
Having pressure sensitive triggers? That’s a great thing to have, makes Ace Combat 6 a lot easier to fly, not that you’d know… maybe you guys will get a decent flight game some time.
Maybe?
At the same time maybe you will get a decent system some time?
I have a 60gb sony ps3, which has bluetooth, wireless sixaxis controller, blue-ray, 99% backward compatibility, reliability, the SONY brand(the leader for the past decade in games consoles),HDMI port,wi-fi internet,4 usb ports,multiple flash card readers SACD support and I got it free with a mobile phone.
Surely your xbox is not that good, is it?
Just been looking up the sales figures for the two consoles.
XBOX 360 – 17.7m worldwide since nov 2005
PS3 – 10.5m worldwide since nov 2006
I year longer in the market and microsoft are being caught by sony.
Microsoft only have one market, the U.S., and once that market is saturated they have nowhere else to make sales. Sony, however have the Asian and European market, in which the ps3 sales are VERY strong.
Hey, nice and concise. This helped me feel more confident in the behemoth ps3 I just bought. It boils down to games vs. multimedia. I needed a new multimedia center anyway, so the ps3 was a perfect fit. I hope the ps3 lands some great titles though! Can’t wait for GTA4!
i got my ps3 for christmas and i love it!! the graphics are amazing ang i like the sixaxis. the ps3 is way better then the ps3 :]
Looks like the kiss and make up session didnt last that long.
Anyway, I went and bought two new games on the weekend, Colin McCrea DIRT and Ghost Recon 2. And with both games I feel a sense of disappointment to say the least. GRAW2 was marked down 50% on price, so I guess it was still a bargain, but it felt ancient after playing COD4. I dare I say it, I preferred Colin McCrae Rally on PS2 more than DIRT. DIRT looks allright graphically I guess, but the cars dont handle realistically. I dont feel involved at all. If only it felt as good as Forza2. Nothing beats a lap around the Nurburgering in a LMPT1 vehicle in FOrza2.
Never been a fan of the colin mcrae series, Always thought WRC was miles better.
Forza IS a fantastic game, Still waiting for GT5, not long now!.
Played Drakes quest over the weekend, BORING BORING BORING. Feels like a soulless tombraider.
wow, just reading the flurry of controller shizzle.
pctomm, i do love the 360 pad but the ps2 pad revolutionised pads the way that the nes and original arcade sticks did. even the 360 pad took a few ideas from the sony style.
not played much on the ps3, def no 6axis games (played demo’s mostly) so i’d hate to make a direct comparisson between the two.
i definitely wouldn’t slag the 360 pad tho, i’ve had no problem adjusting to it and it’s so much better than the original xbox pad which was so huge. i think i only know two people who prefer those massive monstrosities. the 360 pad is very comfortable to use still, the only downside is that they’re still pretty big compared to the sony pads.
do the ps3 pads not have vibration then? that sucks. the ps2 pads did so i find it pretty hard to imagine them without it.
shame you didn’t like graw2 ballaz, until cod4 it was all i was playing. i think it was prob the best 360 shooter until cod4. is just a shame that cod couldn’t have had the third-person view too. that and the small number of maps are the only things i can hold against it
Before you read this, I’m not trying to insult any 360 fans. I’m just stating the facts. This is coming from someone who owns both systems.
The PS3 has a CPU that will make the Xbox 360 grab its balls and run (if it has any). PS3 can access the internet FOR FREE from a wireless router. The PS3 also allows gamers to play against each other over the internet for free. The 360 doesn’t even get internet, and it costs $50 a year to get Xbox Live.
The PS3 also uses Blu-Ray discs for its games, allowing for huge worlds, a large variety of characters, and excellent graphics. Blu-Ray discs hold about 30 GB of data on one disc, while the HD DVD discs used by the 360 hold less than 7 GB of data.
While the 360 does have a wider variety of games exclusively for that system, the PS3 shares many excellent titles with the 360. Besides, WHY DOES IT MATTER IF THE GAMES ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE PS3 AS LONG AS THEY CAN BE PLAYED ON THE PS3? Guitar hero 3 is a great example. It is made for both the PS3 and the 360, and works great for both systems.
The PS3 also uses motion sensors in the controllers. When activated, the sensors allow, for example, steering by turning the entire controller instead of the joystick. It’s some pretty cool technology, but let’s be honest, who really needs it?
The PS3 also has a wide variety of functions. It can play PS3 games, PS2 games, PS1 games, DVDs, HD DVDs, Blu-Ray discs, and CDs. The 360 can play 360 games, some regular Xbox games, DVDs, HD DVDs, and CDs. The PS3 can also use the PSP as a wireless controller to play PSP games on the PS3. So in this category, the 360 really isn’t that far behind.
The only category where the 360 wins is in the number of games on the market for it. It has more games than the PS3, but Sony is catching up.
I also reviewed the websites for both systems and found that Sony’s website tells more about the system and has better visuals. Microsoft’s website is nowhere near as good. it has poor visuals, tells very little about the system, and focuses on advertising games.
PS3 – 4
Xbox 360 – 1
I agree with all of you! But having been playing games for a long time and professionally, having the vibration means nothing. To a true gamer vibration sucks. 75% of people lose their HALO, COD matches because of vibration trust me turn it off and you will get a lot better. As for comfort the Xbox S type control was the best, now I would have to say the PS3 the new Xbox controller is just screwed up. I don’t know what they did to it but I sure don’t like the feel. As for what this article is about. I’m all for the PS3. I do not own either because I want a cheaper system and I can play games on a pc for cheaper and better quality I’ll by the Xbox when live is free (NEVER) and I’ll buy a PS3 when it gets good games scratch that better games :D
Dear Justin,
Please don’t say that PC games are better quality. Yes, in the strategy or RPG category PCs are better, but lets be honest, Those games are for the “nerd” community.
One more thing PC is not cheaper than console.For a decent PC you need to spend over £1000($2000) whereas a console will only cost a few hundred.
I have to contradict myself regarding Colin Mcrae DIRT. Now that I have moved up to tier4 the game starts to come into its own. There are some real ripsnorting stages that are blindingly quick. My girlfriend had to stop watching as she was getting dizzy trying to keep up. The forest stage in Brisbane jumps to mind, the shadows from the trees adding to the feel of the stage. I actually look forward to the game now. Just a shame I had to put in a couple of hours to get past the nitty gritty shit with the slow cars.
jammaster, have you heard of pricewatch.com ? you can build or purchase a brand new computer for less than 500 bucks. a quad core processor pc can range from 400 – 600 with 2 gigs of memory.
Skiballas, I actually look foward to cumming in your girl friend’s mouth too!
Dear Pimpslap-hilary,
What use would that be to me as I live in Scotland, where a ps3 40gb costs £350($700!!) and a half decent PC would set you back a MINIMUM of £700($1400!!!)
As I said before a PC is not cheaper than a console, after all you can buy a ps3 in the U.S. for $300.
jammaster, I did not know you were in Scotland. PS3 here is $400. I guess everything over there is over priced. I guess this is one of those moments I am glad to be an American. I just brought a amd x2 6000 with 2 gigs of ram , 80 gig hd , 7.1 sound card, 256 ddr2 pcie x16 video card with a 22inch wide screen HD monitor 2ms , for $550 plus shipping. I will probaly turn around and sell it for $1400. It is income tax season so everyone here has a little extra money to spend on things they desire.
i wouldnt buy xbox 360 if it still have rrod and loud fan noise and over heat issues but i am definitly going to buy my faviourte console(xbox 360) now that all the overheating and loud noise problems are solved out just buy at a date of 9/2007 and u will be fine my friend bought one i played it for more than 6 hours not hot at all the fan noise isnt loud the graphics are amazing and the controller is really comfortable
Dear pimpslap hilary,
I would buy it from you if my (english!)government were not tight fisted b*st*rds!!!.
Thanks mate, just bought my 360 last week. Reading your article made me feel whole lot better that i didn’t buy a SH** system.
Hmmm…this is very interesting..
First off i think everyone should watch this youtube vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PsL89oTtE
Now to deal with some issues:
PS3 fanboys have no problem pointing out that xbox users have to pay for xbox live.
You’re right….at $70 or so bucks a year (or 7 bucks a months or $0.23 a day) microsoft is totally ripping off us xbox360 users.
Never mind that the money makes the xbox 360 servers MUCH better & lag free.
Yes i said it…lag-free….Any moron who plays on xbox live frequently can tell you (unless you have a shitty connection) that the gameplay is mostly smooth.
But hey, playstation ppl get it free.
They also get crappy interface… What do u mean u cant invite friends from in a game?!?!…HAHAHAHAHA…
…And as the servers are hosted by the PSN network (mostly the game developers) its slow and laggy…but hey…its FREE!!
Don’t even get me started on all the things you cant do on PSN.
Xbox live lets you download movies, demos, vids, additional content, themes, pics etc.
And communicating with friends is EASY.
Moving on…
I wont even get into the poor performance of the PS3 offline.
All i hear is the Xbox is overheating.
…Hmm…seem to remember a lot of PS3′s going down the crapper thanks to their Blueray players…lol…
And Ps…hardly ANY 360′s get the rrod anymore. (And in any event they are ALL covered cause of the extended 3 year warranty)
…And those EXCLUSIVE titles….hahaha
Devil May Cry is no longer an exclusive
GTA is no longer an exclusive (IN FACT MS has the EXCLUSIVE rights to future downloadable content for GTA 5 HAHAHAA)
…More and more are jumping ship to make multi-platform games (as they’re more profitable)
Many game companies state regularly that its the PS3 that constantly holds up production….like of GTA!!!!
And just for note: Having played both systems, the Xbox runs much smoother at a higher frame rate with less tearing etc.
and as for costs of the system…
Xbox 360: $349 (comes with controller, headset, 1 month xbox live and cables (including Ethernet cable)
So umm…i don’t need to buy anything else to start playing online…
Want to talk about it as a media center:
Microsoft has always said they’d support which ever format wins..so in essence if blue ray wins out comes a blue ray add-on and i don’t lose anything, but if HD-wins all you PS3 owners are gonna be in trouble.
And while i guess this is a bias review, in all rights its bound to be.
Now just let me make it clear, the PS3 does NOT suck. It trumps the Xbox 360 in some ways (as a media center etc), but as a GAMING SYSTEM (and that’s what these are supposed to be: Gaming first, everything else second), the XBOX360 is better both in price, quality and gaming library.
Hopes this helps anyone on the fence.
Great artcile! Although I was hoping for a little more about the red ring of death.
FFX3 is exclusive for PS3… No Final Fantasy for XBOX…
To be honest if u Hacnt bought a PS3 or a 360 yet dont bother because the next next gen will be dawning in a year or 2,s time MS,s 360 has been out the best part of 3-4 years now and a huge company like MS,s isnt going to be sitting around with the there billions of dollars doing nothing wait people untill the ultra generation.
look… srsly… what do you really use a game consol for??? OH GOOD ONE!!! playing games…. and if there are terrible games… ummmmmmm lemme see? i dont think i would want to play them unless you are a ummmm retard perhaps? Anyway 360 all the way, and all that blu-ray crap… yeah well its not like 360 isnt able to go 360 unless sony fricken buys blu-ray.. butt guess what! theyre fricken broke… so 360 if you want fun… ps3 if you want to say you have a ps3
I just want to thank everyone here who has submitted all their information. it is really tough deciding on which console to get. But my main concern is the breakdown rate on the systems, not so much the graphics,blu-ray vs.hd, etc.Microsoft has a bd rep for a high breakdown rate, although they have newer models, it is still possible that they will break down. In regards to ps3, i have yet to hear any breakdowns. But for the record my ps2 has broken down 4 times, but sony repaired free of charge. I am 99 % certain I will get PS3. I just hope in the long run it will be worth the money.
Look imo it all comes down to what games u want to play. There are only 2 games of the 360 i like *Gears of war and Crackdown* however i like many of the ps3 games… thus my loyalty lies with Sony. I personally dont care what the interface is like i have a computer for that.
I don’t own either system, I’m waiting and watching but I *had* to say something. Dooley, Modular game system eh? plug in whatever graphics etc you want? Ever heard of a little thing called Game Development? You want them to develop for the lowest common denominator so that all your high speed modules collect dust? or develop for the top end so that if you don’t buy the best modules then you’re stuck playing pong? and don’t for a SECOND think you can have it both ways. Game development is a BUSINESS, it’s about making money. If it’s profitable, they’ll do it. Making 15 versions of a game so that everyone using the modular system can get make the most of it will NEVER happen if the CEO of the company wants to keep his job.
Why does XBox 360 win on performance in multiplatform games? It’s all about money really, it’s cheaper to develop for one system and then port to the other. And can anyone guess which system will get the initial development? that’s right, the one with the largest installed base, which is the Xbox 360. Blu-Ray winning the format war will help PS3 *some* but let’s be honest, unless you have at least a 42″ TV then the difference between DVD and HD is minimal so it’s not going to be a deal-maker for everybody, at least not for a while yet.
Personally atm I’m leaning towards PS3, honestly for only 3 reasons. Blu-Ray, Square-Enix, and Style.
You Know what you like, buy the system that suits you. Do you scream at your neighbor everyday for driving a Toyota as you hop into your Honda because your car can pull .01g more on a skidpad test and accelerates from 0-60 .1 seconds faster? Play games, enjoy life, and get over it.
I don’t care what people say about the Red Ring of Death on the 360 alright? I never have any problem with it!! How? Well, my 360 won’t be touched for longer than 5 hours a month in average, that’s all… It’s easy… I don’t like FPS, so what else can I get out of the 360? Oh right, the losing HD-DVD format, almost forgot!!! Yah, that’s the 5 hours a month for, watching movies on HD. Sad isn’t it? why the heck did I get the 360 at the first place?
just thought id mention that although 360 doesnt come with 6axis controller…it can be modded to do the same…have a look at benheck’s site…
Because microsoft conned you with an early release and multi million advertising!
Ok, so I thought that this was a really good article! But I think you forgot some major things!
So, the 40GB PS3 is $399, vs. the XBox 360 (middle model) being $350. So, at this point, the XBox is cheaper. But look how much Microsoft will charge you to get your XBox up to par with the PS3. $100 for the Wi-Fi adapter. Built in free on the PS3. So, now the PS3 is $50 cheaper than the XBox. Then you think about adding your external HD player to the XBox, add about another $120! So now the PS3 is $170 cheaper!
Hell, you could take that extra $170 and go buy the 80GB PS3, then at this point, the Xbox is only $30 cheaper, unless we are talking the elite, but you can do the math yourself.
So, the XBox does have Live, and admittedly, it kicks ass. But PSN isn’t the worst, and it will only get better. As the the article said, Sony is still playing catch-up. Also, XBox is winning in games, for now. But I believe, and this article only made me more confident, that the PS3 is superior in hardware by leaps and bounds.
So if you want all the awesome things the PS3 has to offer, on your XBox, get ready to fork it out.
But again. great article, gave me some things to ponder, thanks.
uhmm last i checked i can message alll of my friends on vegas!
I gotta say that this “thread” started off really well. Its taken me fooking ages to read this whole thing :)
I was undecided about the whole 360 vs PS3, and tbh, I still am. Numerous concerns relating to the 360, and the lack of current games for the PS3. I’m the sort of pc gamer who buys a game, plays it 10times, then loses interest and buys another. I’ve had a ps, xbox, and think my pc is class. However, I sometimes just to want to play a fun game and not get interrupted with RL stuff.
There have been numerous comments posted, and I want to thank those who have “added” to the debate. To others who have just flamed other users for their views,…. we’re all different. Our own real life experiences sometimes taint our views on what is to come, or what we are going through now. What I like, some folks will think is crap. Like the expression “One persons trash (rubbish) is another mans riches”.
I’m a married guy in his 30′s, so not many real mates (marriage eh? :p ) so would need games with longevity. I would be happy paying 40quid on a game, just to get bored after a few days of gaming.
Anyhow, just wanted to post, to say thx to all the interesting comments made.
GL to whoever makes their decision based on other folks views. Trying them out for ourselves, is probably the best way to judge what we want to buy. Time will tell :)
I think I should point out that PS2 had a fairly high failure rate at launch also.(not to be fully corrected until v9, right before the slim ones came out) Everybody hates M$, but you still use windows I bet. I use Linux. But I own a 360 for the same reason as I use linux. IT IS A BETTER GAME CONSOLE, period. And this is not from a fanboy. I owned a ps1, 3 ps2s (2 failed dvd drives), an xbox, a gamecube, and I still own a PSP (as well as a ds), a WII and a 360. The only reason I might buy another PS3 (sold my launch one after I got tired of RFOM) is for Final Fantasy XIII, BUT I have enjoyed the two games from Mistwalker more than FFXI and FFXII, so I stand to reason that FFXIII will still leave me wanting. At least M$ stands behind their product. My first PS2 failed less than a month after the warranty (90 days) ran out and I was quoted a ridiculous sum to fix it. After the second one failed, I learned to fix them and made lots of money. Anyway, while I was once a Sony Fanboy (Circa 1999), I am now a lone ronin. For the moment, long live M$.
I also do not get all of the talk about the “potential” of the ps3. PS3 used an off the shelf video system that was obsolete before it shipped. (pcs could already have better equipped GPUs from NVIDIA before the ps3 shipped.) The 360, on the other hand, utilizes programable pipelines and a dynamically allocated ram pool. You STILL cannot buy a 48 pipleline single GPU video card for your pc. If anything holds “potential,” I would call it the 360. That leaves the “Potential” of the ps3 in the cell processor. May I be the first to point out that the processor in a game console (or a pc for that matter) has absolute shit to do with the graphics. So even if they max out CELL, the graphics wont improve AT ALL. The processor is used for things like AI, which are better suited to Xenon anyway. If somebody tries to suggest using an SPE for AI, I will laugh them out of this forum. CELL was meant to process video, not games. Anyone who tells you something else is off chasing the dragon. That being said, the PS3 is not a bad console, just inferior for gaming to the xbox 360. Buy it for the blue ray if you want. Its the only blue ray player that is compatible with the latest format. But don’t suggest to me that it will ever “own” the 360.
And the talk about the xbox failures… 16 percent is the failure rate for launch xbox 360s. This is unacceptable, but Falcon should bring this to the same levels as PS3. And meanwhile, if you have an old 360, you have the warranty. I know it sucks to have to send it in, but eventually M$ will have to just start retrofitting the launch birds with better coolers to keep the cost down.
I think I’ll talk a little about the blu-ray disk vs. the xbox disk. First off, going with blu-ray was smart of Sony, even from a gaming perspective. The problem is, blu-ray drives are currently MUCH slower than DVD drives at moving data. This means longer load times, particularly against the better of the 360′s drives. Second, the extra space on blu-ray is really only useful for pre-rendered video. If you took the video out of xbox1 games, most of them were less than 1gb. Most videos on the 360 are rendered in real time, negating the need for a large disk. Games like Blue Dragon (which has more than one disk), have a LOT of high definition pre-rendered video which drives up the cost of making a game substantially. So dont expect a lot of pre rendered video even on the ps3. Lots of pre-rendered hi-def could drive the cost of games into the sky (think $80 or $90 games and you will see what I am talking about.) So having more space really does’nt mean much. On the other hand, having short load times means a lot to most gamers. (raising a toast to Sony and hoping the PS4 returns gaming to the console and forgets about pushing the NEXT next gen video format (violet-beam? maybe)).
Essentially, the roles of the consoles have switched this time. Last time, Sony came out first, had more games, had more 3rd party support, had terrible hardware issues, and ultimately won. It did not matter that the xbox was FAR more powerful or that the games looked MUCH better on the xbox (480p vs 480i, sound familiar to anyone? Think “Full HD” and you get the picture) Xbox came out first, has the games, has the third party support, has way better online gaming, has terrible problems, but will ultimately win (at least in the US, the Japanese would not buy an American console if it had a million great games to a single b-rated game on their own console. My guess is that by the next round sony will have gotten their heads together and will release the best playstation yet (kinda like nintendo did after three rounds of lackluster performance). Unless you are into blu-ray (or folding!!!) get a 360 or a Wii.
Now that Toshiba has announced the end of the HD-DVD format, I wonder how that will affect the console wars?
After four posts, you’ve really demonstrated that you haven’t googled enough.
While it’s true that past systems have all exhibited failed units upon launch, I don’t know any system other than M$’s that burst into flames, or smoke, or melt, or scratch rings in discs, or just give you a strange Red color and never work again, when you Just Took It Out of the Box!
PS3 potential is the buzzword for one unused SPE that’s sitting on the Cell.
I’ve never argued it’s benefit and won’t until it’s switched on.
It is disabled to improve yield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor
The 360 has a Triple Core Xenon CPU..
This means you have three big chips running everything plus an ATi video chip.
Great.
It runs hot, melts the plastic mounts, and doesn’t have nearly the floating point processing power.
The difference between these chip architectures is simple: The Cell can process smaller bits of data faster than the Xeon can process large chunks of data.
The Cell will choke on large chunks of data.
This is why the PS3 needs less RAM but at a faster speed.
Make sense?
Third party support?
Saying 360 has third party support, is an outright falsehood. M$ puts out all their own hardware, and they disallowed third party manufacturers from selling wireless controllers for a year to recoup costs.
I want a bluetooth headset, completely wireless and made by Motorola? No problem.
I want a Western Digital harddrive of 250gb for $170? Here’s the link:
http://www.pricebat.ca/Western-Digital-Scorpio-250GB-2-5IN-5400RPM-8MB-12MS-SATA-Notebook-Hard-Drive.p_134072/
I’m quite supported, thanks.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/03/keyboard-and-mouse-support-for-ut3-ps3/
Now this is my favorite link:
http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/197801624;jsessionid=RJ0SHFQJOWMZKQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=2
Quote: “This is one of the reasons why a single SPE outperforms the highest-clocked Pentium Xeon core by a factor of three on many benchmarks.”
Their capability for Floating Point Processing (big word, watch out) allows them a variety of applications at a faster rate. Physics calculations come to mind..
Who’s chasing what dragon?
The 360 has successively exhibited more issues than any system in history. It had a 16% failure rate?
Thank you, because even at a million units, that’s a hundred sixty thousand failed units.
Insofar as games go:
I own a dozen PS3 titles, plus whatever I’ve purchased onto the system itself!
How many fucking games am I supposed to own before I’m happy here? I own countless PS2 games, PS1 games, all of which work!
What games am I missing from my library that 360 owners are enjoying?
You have Symphony of the Night on your Marketplace? I have it on my shelf!
My games aren’t actually more expensive than a 360′s… typically they’re the same price.
I’m confident the format war will continue until both technologies are simply be replaced by Red Ray, and Super Duper Definition (2048×4096 or some shit).
thats probably the best article i have read on the ps3 vs x360
in the long term run ps3 beats the xbox
having blue ray for a cheaper price plus it has better graphics than HD movies. paramount pictures announced that they arent making movies in hd format anymore, hd is obsolete and blue ray is the future
no movie companies are making hd anymore.
soo blue ray is the way to go if you love watching crystal clear images.
laST TIME I SED PS3 WAS BETTER NOW I’VE CHANGED GO 360!!!!!!!!!!!!
yer i sold my ps3 for £600 coz i suddenly realised the 360 is same but better, it has better graphics better games, and the elite has twice as much as the 60gb ps3′s and we don’t sell ours for £1000 on ebay, just look gears of war, halo 3, mass effect if ypu have brains get a 360, live is better although you have to pay it is worth it!just aceapt it ps3 fans xbox wins again just like with the ps3 long live the xbox 360!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps3 is so much better than the x box 360 because first of all you don’t have to pay money just to play online. second the only reasons you have for buying the x box 360 is because of 3 measly games;gears of war;halo 3 and mass effect.And third x box only has more games because it has been out longer than the ps3.another reason why ps3 is better is because it will last longer than the x box 360.what if they stop making games for the x box 360 like they did to the original x box what are you supposed to do then.also x box elite may have more memory but remember that it also cost more than the ps3.its been proven that the x box 360 has flaws and can overheat easily while the ps3 you could play for hours without actually messing it up.x box 360 needs a lot of space so it can stay cooled down while the ps3 you can put it almost anywhere and it will still stay cool.another thing about x box live not only do you have to pay money but you have to renew like every month.with the money you spend on it you could have bought another game or accessory to use for the x box but no you have to pay to be able to play online.sony also got blu-ray for the ps3 which could cost you up 500 dollars if you buy it separately.so when you really think about the price it is actually worth it and plus the ps3 is getting even better games than when it first came out.even though the ps3 came out after it is still starting to catch up to the x box 360 on how many games it has.so when you go out and buy a system i say you buy the ps3.
As an added note:
Great news! Walmart just dumped HD-DVD for BluRay!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080215/bs_nm/walmart_dvd_dc
M$ may have paid $50 mill. for two downloadable Grant Theft Auto 4 downloads, but they’ll have to cough harder and larger if they want big blue and smiley on their side.
Glad I own a PS3.
Talk about who’s chasing the dragon. Dooley, you sir are chasing the dragon. I have never said anything outright negative about the ps3. Its just meant for media. I agree that the 360′s failure rate was unacceptable. However, that is the only negative point on the 360. And to continue the debate on “potential,” consider this: you keep claiming that the cell is so much more powerful than xenon, but where’s your proof? Cell is horribly bad at branch intensive calculations, despite being very good at floating point. That means that while it might be capable of better physics than the 360 (assuming of course that anybody ever comes up with a good way to utilize that many independent cpus. Efficiently using a quad core processor on a pc is a nightmare, most of the time at least two of the cores are almost idle and one of them is running the marathon. Game code does not yield itself well to parallel processing.), the ps3 will never be it’s equal on AI. AI depends on branch prediction capability and the SPE’s DO NOT have it. Further, by using an off the shelf video card and not taking any risks, they guaranteed that developers could rapidly take advantage of the graphics on the ps3. The good news, the ps3 has come farther in a year graphically than the 360 did in its first year. The bad news: Don’t expect the graphics to keep getting better like they did on the ps2. The emotion engine always had (and still has) much more potential than developers could squeeze out of it. Why is the ps3 different? The emotion engine processed graphics, the cell does not. So while I’m sure in a couple of years Sony will have a kick ass physics engine on the ps3, please tell me you won’t buy a system for the physics engine. (supergeek). The 360, on the other hand, is graphically VERY similar to the PS2. Nobody has ever had programable graphics pipelines, or had as many as they do on the 360. This means that they still have no idea how to adequately program graphics for the 360. The embedded DRAM is another wrench in the works. Basically, the xbox 360 gpu has about as much in common with your pc graphics as it does with one of my bikes. The ps3, on the other hand IS a pc video card. It should be SMOKING the 360 by now. The fact that it isn’t tells a bad story for sony. Graphics on the 360 WILL get better, just like the graphics on ps2′s emotion engine did. Graphics on the ps3 may also emprove, but (like the xbox, which also had an off the shelf video card) don’t expect ground shaking improvements. Pcs developers have already brought the ground shaking improvements. Again I say, if you want a good gaming console with a blue ray player, buy a ps3. If you want a great gaming console, and dont care about media, get a 360.
I’m not really going to go on a tangent ‘defending’ my system of choice.
Your accessories are expensive and your selection of games is big, but quantity and quality are two different things.
Like another poster pointed out, there’s three games to give a shit about. Besides, my total Sony library is at my disposal. I’m pleased.
This is my proof.
http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/197801624;jsessionid=RJ0SHFQJOWMZKQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=2
It simply states what I stated. One of the Cell’s seven available Synergistic Processing Units can process small chunks of data faster than any of the three Xenon chips.
My previous posting, along with several of my previous postings cited many articles and outlined perfectly valid points.
If you really care, as I do not, you can feel free to peruse them.
Don’t assume that you know how it is.
I’ve already explained how it is.
Hell I’ve already argued with people who understand what a Carriage Return is.
Why would I lower my standards now?
HD-DVD has been dropped by Walmart.
Blu-Ray for the Win.
When the word potential is used, people immediatly jump to the conclusion that it represents the cell’s power. it mainly means that programmers are not used to dealing with ps3′s new system. however, they are now starting to appreciate how to rev the ps3 up and thats why games such as MGS4 look so amazing.
potential may come sooner than anyone expected.
ps3 controller has copied 360, easy the ps button is copy of 360 1 and the R2 and L2 are copy of how the 360′s r done, just aceapt 360 rules i sold my ps3 for a 360 best move i ever done
w00t go 360 i worship mt 360 lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fifa 07 for ps2 online still plays better than any game in the world. God of War 1 and 2 are still better than any next gen game. So why are you guys arguing about the next gen when the next gen has not even arrived? Think about it…oh, and while on the subject, who are you people that play video games for so long that your systems fry? Are you all fat and out of shape (another reason for the reference to chasing the dragon, you cartman loving wannabees)?
I just stumbled across your revised review and I am extremely impressed, it is hands down one of the best I’ve seen as you actually talk about the other quirks in the system and not just specs that you find at any gamestore. great job!
“You’re a @#$@#$#@# Genius Gump?”
That’s you’re calling yourself?
Fifteen versions of what?
Last I checked, every game for the last twenty years has an options menu allowing me to tweak and configure all the graphical options behind my games.
Crysis can look good, or it can look amazing.
The hardware I have in my computer governs this.
Normally I work with an options menu.
If it were a console, the hardware would be much more limited in scope, much more documented.
This could mean there is little need for an options menu and suddenly these games, when placed in the system, recognize the hardware and auto configure themselves for perfect performance.
Really didn’t think this through, didja, Squire?
Games are already being developed for a range of hardware, everytime. It’s inherent.
What I suggest in a modular game system is not exactly impossible, it’s just improbable.
Well i got myself the xbox 360 because quite frankly I just am not interested in the ps3. I have a friend who bought a ps3 just yesterday! He keeps ‘boasting’ about his system and truly thinks that he has the better system. Frankly i think that he is just sour about the xbox 360 because he had one of them ‘red ring’ 360′s. It ain’t my fault his broke down. Mine is newer so I shouldn’t have to worry bout that. Everytime he tries to make an argument bout my 360, i just remind him, which console was it that you bought 1st? it shuts him up every time lol. Since we have opposite consoles, and i just played his, in comparison i can’t really notice too much of a difference in graphics, and it is quieter, but you don’t really notice those things when you’re deep in gameplay anyway. I couldn’t care less about blu-ray, or any HD upgrade, which is why i would have never bought a ps3 for $600. At today’s prices, there would be more of a chance, but its still a bit of a ‘yawn’ for the ps3 from me. I like having the OPTION to add hd capability if i so choose and have done so. I used to be a sony fanatic… everything I owned electronic-wise was Sony, so i am definitely not bias. I still play my ps2 often to this day. I have so many ps2 games, i would have loved to carry that over to the ps3, being that i’m so familiar with their controls and vice versa.
Backwards compatibility from the start was a huge advantage for ps3, but last night, many ps2 games didn’t work too good on the newer 80 gig ps3. (shame) I keep hearing bout potential, but i’m getting tired of it… a game console should be that… a game console and right now, i have the better game selection, both owned and available to purchase… my friend doesn’t have a clue of what games to get! I believe that we’ll be back at my house again playin the 360, its just more fun. The ps3 wasn’t too bad either though. I just think that the 360 wins my vote for better ‘gaming’ console however.
PS3 IS FAR SUPERIOR THAN YOU ALL HAHAHH
I HAVE BOTH SYSTEMS AND RECENTLY PUT A HAMMER THROUGH THAT HUNK OF JUNK 360.
PS3 FTW YEA!!!
well, a little more than a year and things have changed a lot!!!
for spanish interested, please visit my blog about the PS3:
EL BLOG DE LA PS3
- The next generation format is over, Blu-Ray wins! -> thumb up for PS3.
- Truly next generation games need more AI! -> thumb up for PS3.
- Truly next generation games need more space! -> thumb up for PS3.
- The better games for 2008 will arrive for the PS3 -> This one I’m sure of it… FFXIII is enough, but you also have MGS4.
so long live the PS3 and my good inversion!
XBox live dominates completely!
One word – COD4!
Shame about HDDVD though :(
Toshiba’s HD DVD is dead. PS3 games are getting much better. And to throw salt on the wound, PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 in January 2008. Is the prophecy true? Many predicted the PS3 would take the video game world over starting in 2008. Wii only sold 5,000 more consoles then the PS3 in January according to many sources. I think the PS3 is starting to show its muscle. With Blu-ray winning the format war, and the PS3 being one of the best blu-ray players, the PS3 is looking very attractive. Not only do I have a reliable exceptional video game console, I also have the best blu-ray player. That sounds like the best of both worlds. I’m a Sony fanboy, but I do understand that the Xbox 360 has excellent games, hardware issues, but excellent games. With the exclusive slated to be released on the PS3, I believe the Xbox 360 will become washed up, meaning a thing of the past. With no exciting exclusives, the Xbox 360 is now a has-been. For the gamers who can’t afford a PS3, not even the PS3 40 gig, save your money, you will not be disappointed. Disappointment comes with owning the Xbox 360; HD DVD is dead, red ring of death, no exciting exclusives, now being outsold by the PS3.
well ive read most of these comments and i tend to notice that the fans have split, half to ps3 and half to 360. i have personally played a 360 with a friend and a ps3 with another. while the ps3 has the 6-axis controllers, the 360 has better games. while the ps3 has more potential, the 360 has better games faster. i like both but if someone were to ask me, i’d have to say the i’d go with the 360. GAME CONSOLES ARE FOR GAMES, NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE!!!
This was a good read (the article). After reading through some of these posts I have come to one conclusion; Dooley is a bitter PS3 fanboy. Wow, just wow.
Why is it that nearly all my duel console owning friends (myself included)prefer the 360? Why do PS3 fanboys not accept the fact that the 360 is a better gaming machine?
If like aaron powell, you believe that next gen consoles are only for games, go buy an xbox, However, if like me, you see the next gen console as a multi media centre(with blu-ray!) and games machine go for the ps3.
EVERYBODY with a slight knowledge of marketing knows that the xbox was rushed to market to maximise sales before the ps3 was released. This is why they had such a high failure rate (13%!!! thats 130,000 consoles in every 1 million sold).
Sony are the leaders in all electronics, TVs, DVDs, Mobile(cell)phones,Walkmans,Blu-ray,etc.
This is why the ps3 has so many multi media options. Microsoft are known for one thing and one thing only PCs and PC hardware.
I know who I would trust to make a “Next Gen” console, its just a pity that bill gates and his marketing team have managed to fool all those who bought an xbox.
Surely the key phrase here is “next gen”.
which, to me, would mean a console for the next generation. meaning a different take on the idea of a console. sony have embraced this idea with a NEW style console with more option than ever. Microsoft, however, have just released a console with better graphics, WOW!(note sarcasm)
Jammaster, you are also probably going to brag about your Corolla that has more cupholders than my Mercedes.
Only if those Mercedes cup holders are known for melting when you put a cup of coffee in them.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/microsoft-gets-rrod-at-gdc/
http://kotaku.com/357951/microsoft-lights-up-gdc-with-red-ring-of-death
This was at the Game Developers Conference.
Remember, consoles are for gaming.
These consoles are going to be played and not replaced for 3 to 6 years. Why buy a system that in all honesty as reached its peak (xbox 360). When you can buy a system that hasnt even scratched it surface (ps3). YES xbox360 is better RIGHT now…but 3 to 6 years from now…..PS3 all the way. Thats why yesterday I bought a PS3 because 08 is already shaping up to be groundbreaking…I cannot imagine what this system will do in 09 and 10. I was VERY pleased to hear Blu-Ray won the war…does the xbox 360 even playing in 1080p now without it?!?!?
” jammaster
Posted on February 20th, 2008
If like aaron powell, you believe that next gen consoles are only for games, go buy an xbox, However, if like me, you see the next gen console as a multi media centre(with blu-ray!) and games machine go for the ps3.”
Or if you wanted a “multi media center” you could buy a PC. The whole point of a console is to allow gaming. If your so worried about your Media shit then buy a PC which will do everything much more efficiently. In the end all console are going to become PCs anyway. I’ve owned both the Xbox 360 and the PS3. PSN is joke it has no community. Unless your worried about the 2-3 games that might be good on the PS3, you should buy the 360. My PS3 is currently a dust collecting George Foreman grill wanna be. Throw your media center BS at me but in the end we are talking about GAMING consoles not PC mimics.
I have to say to Dave:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
You bought a PS3 because you can’t imagine what it will do in 09 and 10?? It already can’t keep solid frames on the current games, so I can’t imagine either…
PS. 09 and 10 are the last gasps of these systems, not the golden age when they will come into their own.
by the end of 09 I’m going to start playing PC Games again because both these systems will be shit in comparison.
Settle down… quit sucking so much exhaust.
As we’ve already covered (those who read as well as write), the PS3′s games haven’t been coded as well as they could be.
Herego, performance takes a hit.
Cest la vie, Assassin’s Creed was wonderful, and Dirt on PS3 is cited by Codemasters themselves to be the best version of the game they’ve released.
The reason being (and it’s in their name), it was coded masterfully (rewritten pieces!).
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1503.html
This article quotes them saying so.
Dooley, you may be right,
But Dirt is an ok game at best. It’s a good single player racer, but it’s not groundbreaking in any way. It’s typical of PS3 fare, it’s just a single player very limited game.
The online didn’t change any between the platforms. It sucked on both ends.
Personally I think it’s a fantastic game with a really intense learning curve.
It’s actually cited in some articles as being the reason Codemasters is in the green. Not bad for ok.
if there was one thing i remember about the playstation franchise, it was that either the games were choppy(slow framerates) or they had characters that were made of angles and were unrealistic, it took sony 3 tries to get games on them that were realistic. the Xbox however, is owned by microsoft, and has had a lot longer to make realistic games. ill stick with a non media hub for better gameplay rather than sacrifice it for a built in movie player.
Ok…so you 360 people dont own HDTV’s? Your perfectly fine buying a blue ray player + 360 + wireless adapter for how much?!?! when you can buy a ps3 and get it all in one? since blue ray won the “war” ps3′s value has skyrocketed and it is being proven by the amount of people buying it compared to the other 2 competitors. not to mention like this article reads..the ONLY reason why games are slightly better right now on 360 is because of the difficulty of programming on the ps3. do you guys honestly believe the game developers are too retarded to eventually figure the coding out? so what happens when game developers perfect the coding of the ps3….since xbox 360 games are only slightly better right now in graphics, i would bet my bottom dollar ps3 is going to take the lead in the “gaming” part of the system, since it already kicks 360 in the nutz in value and multimedia. the only thing going for the 360 in the future is their online community which i will admit is very very nice, but remember sony is multi-billion dollar community aswell and will eventually match the 360 in online community options.
I wasn’t going to post this here, but Dave and Aaron both touched on the key point.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/21/gdc08-phyreengine-sonys-new-free-cross-platform-engine/
http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=483666
Anybody knows something about Microsoft and the gaming community should know that some years back Microsoft released an SDK for making games for XBox.
Awesome. I’m all for it.
Now Sony has released theirs. As it turns out, it was used to make Dirt. On both consoles.
Meaning, it was Sony’s Phyreengine running Dirt on the 360.
I’d say that establishes it as a good running mate.
Incidentally, Havok will also be seeing a release as freeware to non commercial projects.
Guys, are you going to run out now and buy a biofuel car, just because fcking biofuel is the fcking future! No sht for brains, you going to buy a gaz fcking guzzling car, cos gaz is readily available. So stick your PS3 is the future philosophy so deep up yar arse, that only your boyfriend can feel it later on……with a bit of lube…..you PS3 fanboy.
Both systems are really fantastic, but take it from a guy who has both, as a game system 360 is better. As a movie player go with PS3, it’s that simple.
New debate to start.. NOW:
http://www.theaircar.com/acf/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
Television bit from 2005.
My air car uses small processed bits of air as opposed to your biofuel that uses mass amounts of fry grease!
I wish my car ran on small processed bits of Dooley :-)
I think I now understand whats happening here!
Correct me if I am wrong, All you xbox fanboys are from the USA?
Just like your government you have absolutely no knowledge of what is going on outside of your wee country. The Asian gaming market is Number one in the world and always has been. They make thousands of different types of games that the rest of the world never see!!.
THEY LIVE FOR TECHNOLOGY!
This is why they DON’T buy xbox and only buy Playstation and Nintendo. They can see the true potential of these machines and the varied games they have.
All you xbox owners play are FPS and racing games. SO typically American, Shooting people and driving Gas guzzling cars. (play another record for christ sake!!)
As I live in Europe I get the best of both worlds. I pick the best from the US and the best from Asia, therefore giving me a much better idea of what is TRULY happening in the gaming world, with first hand experience, and not from internet blog like you yankee xbox fanboys!
Jammaster….
You are generalising! I think maybe you must listen to the people right down on the Southern point of Africa. Reason being, for us gaming consoles is a much bigger expense than for someone living in the 1st world. So we tend to analize things a little more than you, as we need to know exactly why we are spending 3 x the average monthly income per capita to buy a console. And I think that the majority of Saffas prefer XBox360. It makes more sense.
To end off, I want to go back to basics. Ask yourself the question:
a) What is best for gaming?
b) What is best for multimedia?
Answer those 2 questions before you purchase a console.
PS – nobody has commented on the fact that the PS3 games are more expensie than 360 games. Since you have to buy games consistantly, doesnt that mean that PS3 is more expensive in the long run?
right now, i just care about the game. 300 bucks isn’t much to me. so neither i 500. it’s just that i don’t want ot buy something now that i speculate will be really good in two three years. it’s not a car. technology changes too fast for anything built now to be cutting edge later on. surely ps3′s that will be released then will be different that those now. look how much they’ve changed this past year… anyway, same with xbox…
that leads me to my question: since i’ve decided to buy the xbox, should i order one from amazon (if it’s not a falcon, it’s no questions asked free return) now, or wait for the jasper due out in august? also, is the HD in the premium that big a deal? can i get the arcade version and just use my 8gb usb or one of many 8gb memory cards i have on it instead? i don’t plan on d/ling ANY demo’s and i doubt i’ll d/l or purchase an xbox 1 game either… also, not having a HD, wouldn’t that’s make the system cooler and more efficient?
skiballas,
Answer to question 1 – Xbox (at the moment!)
Answer to question 2- PS3(streets ahead of the xbox for multi media)
Therefore the ps3 IS the better machine.
Oh yeah, please don’t talk to me about high prices I live in the U.K. which is by far the most expensive country to buy consoles and gaming equipment.
The PS3 will cost you around R3500(less than £250) in the U.K. it will set you back £300 minimum!!!!.
Your point on expense has no bearing on the “what is the best console” debate.
You pay more for a better product. BMW or Citroen? for example!
Hey Jammmaster
You have a point, but entry level PS3 is R4500 and a game costs R700.
For R4000 I get a 20Gig Xbox360 with 4 games (value R2400) with the XBox360. So technically speaking, I paid R1600 for the XBox360. The charger kit was R159. I still need the second controller, R349 compared to PS3 controller at R699. Trust me, I was over this a thousand times before I chose between the Xbox and PS3, and XBox is alot more value for your money.
And shame, poor BMW, mentioning them in the same sentence as Citroen, and trust me, this is coming from a now ex-Peugeot employee.
skiballas,
How much would a blu-ray player cost you in south africa? In the U.K. it would cost £800 minimum, the ps3 only costs £300-£500 (depending on model) therefore the PS3 is much more value for money than the “I need to buy loads of extras” x-box 360. I don’t need to buy ANY add-ons for my PS3. Whereas you need to continually buy add-ons for the x-box. chargers, blu-ray, etc.
Visit wikipedia.com and compare the two console and you will see the enormous amount of extras the ps3 has compared to the x-box.
So, how can the x-box be value for money when over the next few years you will have bought numerous add-ons while I will have bought nothing extra for my ps3?
Jammaster
You have a point, and also dont have a point. I will rather pay $2 for a $1 object I need, than pay $1 for a $2 item I dont need. I don’t need all the extras. Plus, I would prefer a stand alone Blue Ray player instead of using my game console. When DVD players were introduced in South Africa, it cost R3000 way back then, now they are R400. Thats almost a 10th of the price. Everyone says MS fooled everyone so that they can cash in, well, Blue Ray player are 800 pounds cos everyone is cashing in. In 2 years time they will be 200 pounds. Plus, why do I want a Blue Ray player, so that I can watch SpiderMan3 over and over again. Nah thanks, I have Satelite TV which will broadcast in full hi-def as from March 2008.
skiballas,
Yes in two years time the price of a blu-ray player will be cheaper. However, that will not include NEW models, only older ones. The blu-ray player in the ps3 is top of the range and worth more than the machine itself!!.
Microsoft and sony don’t make much profit on the console itself it is the GAMES that make them the money. They want as many people as possible to have THEIR machine therefore creating a large exclusive gaming market. This is why microsoft rushed their xbox to market in an attempt to saturate the market before the ps3 launch.
Why would you want several different machines taking up space when you can have one!?!
I can safely say that in 5 years time I will still be playing my original ps3, whilst you will have to buy a new xbox, which will be released long before the new PS.
What will you do when game developers start using more memory than the sh***y HD-DVD’s the xbox uses(10g max! compared to 50g on a blu-ray!) ???.
At the moment games are using approx. 5-6 gb, so not long until you are seeing multiple disc releases on the xbox.
Jesus!, My old amiga used multiple discs and this drove me mad. We are living in the next gen world not the old gen one!
jammaster
Look, i’m no technerd, so I might be wrong on this. Your average PS3 and XBox game takes up approx 5-6GB. So there is scope for XBox360 games to get better. Plus, I have read many posts where people complained about long loading times on the PS3. Imagine if developers were to utilise the 50Gig on a blue ray disc. Imagine the loading times….”hey baby, I just popped in Gran Turismo 8, lets go to the KFC and buy a bucket, maybe get a haircut and come back and maybe play the game”.
See, technically speaking, the XBox was 3 times cheaper than the PS3, and the PS3 is currently not better, maybe on equal footing, and in 1 years time maybe 10% better, and in 2 years time 20% better than a XBox360. Why would I pay 3 times more for something that is fractionally better? In 6 months time I can easily afford the PS3, and then I will have the best of both worlds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PsL89oTtE
(Watch the vid before talking about “potential” for the ps3.)
Now i don’t see why we keep going round-and-round in this post.
Read my post above for more info. Here are some things i think some ppl do not understand.
1: Price- The PS3 is way more expensive. Accept it.
Now that being said its is a great price for what you are getting. But trying to bring a 360 up to the same media standards to compare price makes no sense.
A) Most people do not need/care to have a wireless adapter. Ethernet Cable works fine.
B) Do not need/want a blueray player add-on (yes it will be coming out, most recent estimates point to May).
…And the list could go on and on etc
C)Don’t need to spend extra on lug and play kits (rechargeable battries anyone? I took the ones i used to use in my camera)
The 360 is cheaper all round, especially factoring in the cost of games.
(as i talked about most of this stuff before i will not go into it much again)
2)Lineup: I am sick and tired of hearing how good the line up is for the PS3. Yes it good, but most of the games are multi-platform.
Yes it has some exclusive title but the 360 also has a Big-league list of exclusives coming out this year. It all comes down to preference. (I for one am envious of MTS 5, but i am sure some PS3 ppl are envious of GOW2)
3) To the ppl in this post claiming to have both systems and putting a hammer through one cause you like the other one better. You are making yourself look like an ass. Nobody is stupid enough to do that. It’d be a waste of money (unless you’re a rich spoiled little kid).
4)The PS3 will surpass the xbox360 in hardware sales for 2008. Thats a given. They have a larger fan-base through years being in the market (and a huge local fan base in Jap.)
Of course the ps3 outsells the 360 in Jap. Its their own, and they will back it(although th e360 has grwon in popularity in jap.)
5) The 360 will stay on top in software sales. This is a given.
In the end they’re both STRONG systems.
The 360 wins on the Graphical, price and Online fronts.
The ps3 wins on the included media and inter-connectability fronts.
Get the one which has (exclusives/hardware) & does what you want. They’ll both be strong till the next gen releases.
People Say Look In The Long Term PS3 Will Get Better, But In A Year Or So, Development For The Next Xbox will Be Coming Out Xbox Is Already Been Out For About 2 Years Now.
Dear MR. Enough,
Please use up to date information before talking about the PS3s potential!
That “youtube” crap was from july 07,
The ps3 is now outselling the xbox. There is one reason for this. The DEATH of HD-DVD,which your wee xbox uses. People who don’t have a console yet are not going to buy one with a HD-DVD , are they?!?
The games released recently are just the same on both machines, COD4, Assasins creed, Turok etc.
So, therefore, as any idiot can work out, The best machine would have to be the PS3.
The graphics are the same, the speed of play are the same, Only the ps3 plays blu-ray.
The only thing the xbox wins on is online play, but if like me you have FRIENDS the online play is not that important. That aside the ps3 online play WILL get better.
every body knows that the xbox360 is way better. most games the graphics are better on 360.only a idiot would think the ps3 is better than 360. online play for the ps3 will never match up to 360 online its the best i like a world you can do anything on live. also every game for the 360 is online enabled.the music you can listen to any time your playing a game the media center.achivements gamescore and more stuff coming all that will never match up to the xbox360 go microsoft$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hey Jamm…
We all have friends. Those of us on Live know how awesome it is to cross invite and jump from game to game without interrupting our voice comms is. And tracking our achievemnts and shit.
Noone cares about Blu Ray or HDDVD. They are for Movies. Watching Movies, not playing games.
Recent games run similar. So like Dooley pointed out, If a game that was coded for an Xbox, gets ported to the PS3, the performance takes a hit.
If a game (Like Dirt) was ported to the Xbox, then… Hey… It runs the same.
I’d say that makes the 360 the better console.
Nice comparison
As a 360 owner, I’m always going to be a little biased but here it goes anyway:
I heard reports that sony expect the ps3 to have a 10 year lifespan which in my view is ridiculous.
OK it worked for the ps2 but with only sega’s miserable dreamcast to contend with they didn’t have to make a new one.
The Xbox project is expected to release a new console within 3 or 4 years and if bluray truly is the future (may not be the case as we saw with VHS, the worse but cheaper format, which won the video format wars many years ago) then I am positive that Microsoft will pick up on this.
Of course, if there is a new Xbox, Sony won’t just sit there. They will most likely release a ‘response’ console, the ps4 which I think will suffer from the same price problems as the ps3.
So if you are really into it then you are going to buy one console now and a new one when it comes out. Since the ps3′s obvious graphic and engine advantages will most likely not appear as a large margin between the two consoles for quite a few years by which time they will have released the ps4 anyway, the consoles are largely the same.
If you want a dvd player choose the ps3.
If you want a platform with bigger and, dare I say it, better game releases choose the xbox 360 (for less money).
please tell me if you think i am being rude, controversial and entirely unfair but if you do you will most likely be a ps3 owner under the age of 16 with nothing to do all day but moan and pick your spots
that may be slightly controversial too :}
*Sigh
Jamm….you are an ass…sorry to say.
The video contains specs on the hardware, so it doesnt matter if it 5 or 6 months old, the hardware hasn’t changed. But then again i guess you’re too dumb to realize that.
The 360 does not sell with an hd-dvd drive. It was an add-on. And i just posted that microsoft will be bringing out a blue ray addon, so that leaves us left with the games.
The 360 still wins on the games front as tit too has potential not being used (see “old” vid) lol.
The game quality between the two is becoming closer, however most of the ps3 game still suffer from a lower frame rate and tearing.
You’ve obviously never used Live to play against friends (plus i can have them offline too). So case in point you are ignorant.
If you could stop being such a fan boy for 3mins you would realize they’re both good systems and it just depends on your tastes in games & extras to determine which one you should buy.
…Do i love the 360..YES…best investment i ever made.
…Do i hate the PS3..NO..its a great system, but doesn’t offer what i want (mostly in terms of games and Live)
Lol Jam, The xbox 360 is truly more amazing than the ps3 well because it ‘owns’ and ‘pwns’ it in nearly every catorgary. the graphics on cod4 on the ps3 look kinda like the oldest version of space invaders in the 70′s, but the ps3 has much better reliability ( i have now had 28 rrod and survived lol ) anyway noone gives a tbag about highdef and bluray, just great gameplay, online features (The xbox has the best bcause xbox live owns it all and the wii) so i think i will stick wid the xbox (nofin against the ps3 cuz i had ps1 and ps2) so if you are a hardcore gamer like me go for the xbox 360.
DRAGONFORCE RULE!
CRASH TEAM RACING OWNS EVERY PS1 AND MOST PS2 GAMES.
VIVA PINATA IS THE BEST XBOX 360 KIDS GAME WHEN OLDER PPL LUV IT (LKE ME)
Games You should have on xbox -
HALO 3
COD 4
Guitar Hero III
Forza 2 & PGR 4
VIVA PINATA : PARTY ANIMALS (DOWNLOAD THE SERIES ON XBOX LIVE IT ROCKS!)
ASSASINS CREED
UNREAL TOUNAMENT 3
ELDER SCROLLS 4 : OBLIVION
MASS EFFECT
BIOSHOCK
The hardware has changed, and will change again.
That’s the way the 360 goes. Is it evolving? Maybe… I’d say it’s correcting.
Never in the history of any console has anything mutated the way this system has.
The reason the 360 has so many games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA
Any tool with a set of free tools can crank out a number of titles.
Check out their example titles if you peons can click through to the actual XNA site (if you’re having trouble, just google, my name links to it).
That said, the 360 also wins in gross malfunction rate. It also wins in most expensive proprietary crap category, and takes gold in Fewest True Exclusive titles.
Lets face it folks, nothing on 360 worthwhile hasn’t been ported to PC.
That means it’s not fucking exclusive.
(Don’t mention Halo 3, there’s a reason it’s not on PC or PS3. We don’t want it. You can keep it).
Your Grand Theft Auto 4 downloads that Microsoft shelled fifty millions dollars for… those will be/are exclusive.
Too bad they had to rethink the design of the game because they realized half way through, hey, Microsoft doesn’t include a hard drive with every version of their ‘next generation console.’
‘Hey doesn’t the Wii come with a hard drive?’
‘No it comes with Flash memory.’
‘Whats the difference?’
‘About fourty bucks.’
Lastly, you’ve obviously not had a system die on you.. yet.
Give it time.
Do I hate the 360? Yes, but not because it’s a bad experience to play. But because it’s typically a bad experience not to play it.
Do I love the PS3? Yes, and my Wii! They’ve both been a straight forward investment (one time fee) and all my computer peripherals worked with the PS3.
My entire PS2 and PS1 library works as well.
Memory card adaptor and PS->USB controller adaptors: $30.00
Better than a hundred fourty for a hard drive.
I think someone argued that they could leave the harddrive out for better performance?
I agree with this… if I leave the seats out of my car, it improves performance as well.
If I take the body off my car, it’ll probably be very air conditioned as well.
If you could stop being a fan boy for 3 minuts, you’d realize 3rd party manufacturers make one thing that Microsoft doesn’t actually sell themselves.
Guesses?
An air conditioning unit. Specifically for the 360.
Your system is superior? Fine, whatever you want to believe…
The benefit to bluray as a medium? Over DVD?
50gb. It’s called progressive load, or streaming data? Load on demand, whatever.
It means I don’t load EVERYTHING at once like someone said. I don’t know where that kind of logic stems from.
So basically, where 360 would need the next Final Fantasy on multiple discs, PS3 does not.
Also, the games (DiRT specifically) working on multiple systems, yea I did point that out.
The key point here would be that the PhyreEngine is cross platform, and Microsoft’s XNA engine, is not.
That said, the PhyreEngine would work on the Wii.
This does not mean the 360 is a ‘better system’ (god only knows in MicrosoftWorld, everything’s a feature.
It means that their system is fucking proprietary and won’t work easily on other systems.
By the time bluray has become good enough to clearly define the ps3 as a vastly superior machine (though a games console is generally used for GAMES) there will be a new xbox which, if bluray is going to be the new THING, will have bluray compatibility. The PS4 will be released to contend with this. Needless to say the xbox will be cheaper.
If a game is designed on blue ray and takes about 40GB (meaning that the 360 will require multiple discs) that doesn’t mean that the game’s load time will be infinite.
The PS3′s SPEs have no cache memory, they have a 256KB ‘scratch pad’ memory called an LS, this will means that information is taken every small bit at a time(the 360 does not have SPEs and take information in very large chunks), making the cell very efficient. This means that loading times are not ‘huge’ (which some people suggest) as the information is not loaded all at once, it is taken in smaller bits very efficiently.
The loading time will probably decrease as programmers learn how to properly deal with the SPE’s and LS.
Ok, you 360 fan boys are starting to really get on my nerves. Your all so fucking happy because your piece of crap system rocket out of the gates, got some games, then started breaking immediately.
So the 360 has more games, who cares, the PS3 will have plenty. And its list of exclusives is growing. Resistance, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted. And your an idiot if your not looking forward to sixty player battles in Resistance 2, or the story of Snake in MGS5.
I don’t care how good the PSNetwork interface is, it’s good enough. It is not by any means as good as Live, but it’s not bad.
And all you idiots who say they don’t care about Blu-Ray, your retarded. Go look through your DVD collection right now, soon, DVD will be inferior to Blu-Ray, and if you want any movie, guess what, you have to have Blu-Ray. And Blu-Rays potential is not limited to movies obviously, considering it will hold more data than whatever XBox is using.
You complain about long load times, and I say, grow up, if you can’t be patient enough to wait a minute or two for a game, then you should still be in kindergarten, make a snack dumb ass.
So you tell me the XBox is cheaper, WRONG! You say it has better graphics, WRONG! You say it has more games, OH MY GOD, maybe that is true, but I’m sure there are enough for the PS3 to satisfy any normal person, but maybe not you pathetic losers who still live with your mom. Get a life.
The PS3 is a great investment for the future, AND TODAY! So fan boys, grow up. The PS3 is a better machine for the money. and even thought the XBox has a more solid game base, CURRENTLY, it’s Sony people, they’ll be fine.
And Canadianpickle2 wins the dumbass award for 2008.
PS3 fanboys, dont be jealous because you have to play catchup. Yes, potentially you will have sex with a lot of girls (if your budget allows), but currently you are still a lameass virgin.
Thing is, when PS3 realises “the” potential, MS would have improved on it with the next XBox. It is like vehicle manufacturers. Audi RS4 ruled, then the M# came out 2 years later, with M3 fanboys trying to convince everyone their vehicle is better (and it aint). But guess what, I am sure the next RS4 is in the making, and it will take things to the next level.
And the BlueRay argument is crap, do you honestly think MS wont be able to think up a plan to bring BlueRay to XBox owners. Give Bill some credit, he didnt make his billions without having a plan B.
You xbox owners must be very very very very young not to remember recent console history!.
The ps1 destroyed all competitors, Where are sega now? and as for nintendo, well they had to make a completely new genre of console to compete with sony.
Then there is the ps2 which lasted me from 2001 until summer last year!, thats 6-7 years! the xbox only lasted 4-5 years and if not for a couple of games like halo and gotham would have been replaced earlier.
Sony ALWAYS win the console war due to their MUCH GREATER experience in giving their customers what they want. They are not the leader in technology for nothing, you know?
The PS3 WILL last for years like all playstations have, can you xbox owners say that?, I don’t think so!
Oh yeah a message for the Idiot tarnishing Jimmy Hendrix name, COD4 looks EXACTLY the same and plays EXACTLY the same on both machines!! and Colin mcrae plays and looks better on the PS3, if you don’t believe me ask codemasters themselves, Afterall it was them that said that!!!!!!!It might help if you had actually played a ps3, FOOL!
So to any xbox owner who has’nt played a ps3 please keep your biased views to yourself, I play both machines regularly,(my stupid friend has an xbox 360)so I know what I am talking about.
skiballas i totaly agree with you, the 360 has won realy as microsft is the biggest company in the world and bill gates is the number 2 former number 1 ricjest man the world, i don’t think his console will go without all the stuff sony has gface it xbox has won
One more thing Mr hendrix,
Your list of great games on the xbox backs up my earlier argument.
The only games xbox owners seem to play are FPS and Racing games, Christ, open your eyes to the REAL gaming world, please!!
You had assasins creed, UT3 and oblivion on your list which play the same on the ps3 with the exception of oblivion which is 10 times better on the ps3!!
Joe, joe, joe
Born after 1980 were we?, probbably, looking at your arguments!!
So by your definition the bigger the company the better the product? Bill Gates loves people like you! 80′s children who are not brought up by their parents but by TV and advertising. so easily influenced.
So tell me, If I produce a better system than sony, nintendo and microsoft how do I sell it to halfwits like you, afterall I would be a small company at first woud’nt I? FOOL!!!
P.S Microsoft is not the biggest company in the world it is state owned PETROCHINA which is the first company to be valued at $1 trillion dollars. So have the chinese got better oil than the rest of the world, I DON’T THINK SO.
Ask your teacher on monday, liitle boy!!!
Hello everyone around the world?!
I’m Rob a gamer from Holland, i waited long for i purchased a gameconsole. I was very eager to know which console would satisff me most. Two weeks ago i’ve made the decision….XBOX. I had the first Xbox and my experience with it was very good. Of course every rational normal person knows or thinks shit blue ray has come through..oh oh arent’t the graphics much better..which lcd is the best/price/quality…
Reasons why the XBOX 360 is great:
- The so called xbox dashboard and its features run smooth and are very clear
- The controller is super! Fits perfectly, great sensivity, the gimmick that you can press the xbox logo and turn on your console from the couch is an idea that’s so simple and good that that always is a moment i think wow this is a next gen console!!
- The overall experience as mentioned above + the fast reloading gives it an unique feeling more professional than that playstation feeling what i always find a bit more for amateurs..it isnt bad but its not so solid hard to express i think that makes the xbox unique the overall general smoothness.
My future vision:
PS3 will improve with graphics the effects will never be groundbreaking, the Xbox will remain a fast response loading console.
Xbox live will get an increasingly more popular and respected online community this will effect in the long run the price for online gaming, it will decrease.
Soon the marketplace will let you stream so much interesting movies and stuff that you simply cant stay away from it. This online streaming is the USP (unique selling point) from Micro because this easily very cost effective will counter almost every blu ray uniqueness.
The last days i was a bit confused and maybe disappointed in my xbox360 premium hdmi, but now i can truly say i am a:
Happy gamer!
It feels also very good that i support the american economy with my purchase, it is maybe for some of you not so important, but every dutchman knows what the USA has brought Europe better than everything you van buy…
Greetings to all
Rob
Alias xbox live: Soviet train NL
I don’t see there ever being a BluRay 360 simply because the 360 started with regular DVD.
There is potential for a 360 BluRay Drive and optional BluRay titles (buy the entire three dvd set of halo, or the 1 bluray disc.. or insert your hands in a lawnmower..?)
All that aside. Currently Sony has a crossplatform engine on the loose.
If developer pick this up and practice, we’ll suddenly find a wierd influx of shitty games too, then we can say “Hey, we got a big library too!”
Jam made a good point: Most games that the 360 have from the PC side, are typically better on the PC.
I would never in my entire life consider playing Bioshock on 360. I played through it twice on PC at 1280×1024 and 1920×1080 (click my name if you don’t know what these numbers mean).
Which is possible on PC.
Not on 360… not on PS3 either, but they’re not posing.
I think I read in a magazine article somewhere that 360 experienced frame rate stutter upon Oblivion as well…
Wasn’t Bethesda working on a crossplatform… no… they were working on a PS3 specific approach to coding.
That means the 360 couldn’t handle the PC version of Oblivion at 1280×720.
The PS3 can, and does. Also, it includes more of the special effects.
I missed most of this recent skirmish as I was just enjoying Gran Turismo 5 Prologue… which I ordered from Japan. Because I can.
Yes I’ll buy it when it comes out here, but for now I’m turning Japanese.
The point here? The PS3 has no region coding. Yeah. Pretty neat eh?
My little ‘media machine’ as 360 owners call it (because I can play a lot more media then they ever will on theirs) has an extensive library of PS3 titles (all of which are of comparable or better quality), but on top of this, as I’ve stated before, all my PS2 titles work and so do my PS1 titles.
Why is this of circumstance?
Because Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is sitting for sale on the Live service, and it’s sitting on my fucking shelf.
You have more games? I had your games before they came to ‘your system’.
UT3? On my PC and looks better, and plays faster.
Plus, I can load mods!
Jesus, some people need google more than others.
For the record, you can use a hidef TV with your computer, eh? DVI input and all that? That means my 360 games actually ARE in hidef.
Honestly when I first heard about the PS3 I expexted it to be much better than the Xbox 360 but as I play different games on each console which i have i have a noticed that the xbox 360 graphics so far have been the best and that the makers of PS3 games haven’t really done there best especialy since it has been more than a year after the release of the PS3. Im really crossing my fingers on games like GTA4 and Mid night club because those games look like they will really show people what the PS3 really is.
Great article but on ps3 exclusives you missed out resistance fall of man (great game)
jammaster, it would be a lot easier to take you seriously if you weren’t such a rabid fanboy, and if anything you said had some truth to it. Please, go back under your bridge – we don’t need your incredible bias here.
dear wowza,
Please quote my “untruths” and maybe I will then take YOU seriously.
Everything I have said is true, unlike the xbox owners who continually contradict or use false information.
i.e. “ROB” who said the xbox home page is smooth and the xbox button on the controller make his machine feel next gen.
THE PS3 IS EXACTLY THE SAME!!.
Yet again proving that xbox owners have not even tried the PS3.
Which would surely mean they are the biased ones, no?
One thing has become clear in majority of these postings. XBox360 owners are defending their choice in concole, while PS3 owners keep on attacking XBox360 owners for their choice in console. Seems like the PS3 have some deep down issues that keep them awake at night. Chaps, join the XBox360 owners, who loves live, and accept all consoles! Even the PS3.
Dooley…cheez…before u start going off on things PLEASE research them…
Quote1:
“The reason the 360 has so many games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA”
Quote2:”All that aside. Currently Sony has a crossplatform engine on the loose.
If developer pick this up and practice, we’ll suddenly find a wierd influx of shitty games too, then we can say “Hey, we got a big library too!”
Watch the GDC before spewing anymore bullshit. They expect xbox 360 to have 1000+ games by the end of 2008 NOT INCLUDING the ones made by the community using XNA.
Why is it the PS3 fanboys can only come up with about 7 titles to call exclusive…cheez…
And what did i say concerning hardware/graphics. The 360 graphics are a little better and has LESS tearing. Stop citing only 2 games that look the same on PS3 and using them to say the PS3 has better graphics…Ass.
PS3: Little Library. Expensive games. But no you’re right….much better for your money…lol. (btw- developers dont really give a dam about putting their games on multiple disc if need be. You know why? Blue ray disc are very expensive. So it doesn’t matter if they need to split their game onto 2 dvd’s or not.
In any case be happy with the system you have and stop spouting garbage cause you cant think of a good reason why someone else shouldn’t have something different to you.
Are you dense?
Most of the companies that have developed games for the 360 were startups that no longer exist.
I’m not talking about the publishers.
That means lots of guys have sold lots of games to Microsoft (herein forth known as The Sponge) and The Sponge markets them through whichever publisher. Some tit will always buy it.
Your entire arguement cited two points that you barely managed to split the hairs on.
I haven’t seen any tearing and I’m willing to bet niether have you, and I don’t need to stop at two games to cite better graphics, but I’ll let time tell that tale.
The trick here isn’t that I hate on people for their choice in console.
I’m hating on the console because it’s a detriment and I rebuke those who defend its qualities as though these qualities out weight the negatives.
I strongly believe the problems inherent to this machine should be cause for a recall and redesign that never occured.
These days there is a library to speak of… but when your ‘console of choice’ was first available the games were stagnant, and the console kept dying, but people didn’t have any other choice in console, so they stuck it out and got used to disappointment.
Anyhow, all the ‘exclusive’ 360 titles are on PC, and look better, and play better.
Why would I play a shooter on 360?
Why would I play said shooter online on said console?
Why would I pay to play said shooter online on a console at a reduced resolution?
If somebody wants something similiar to a PC gaming experience… well, the PS3 suppors keyboard and mouse.
Also, it’ll be cheaper because there are no wierd peripherals to pick up as you probably already own extra bits you can plug into it.
can’t we just say that their both great consoles and call it quits?
Look they are both great systems I think, but do fact is that the Xbox 360 will be left behind in the since that the PS3 can hold more data on its disc do to the bluray format. One other issue is that the Xbox 360 body is not as built as well as the PS3′s body. Me and some friends took out both consoles and smashed them both with a Hammer the PS3 took forever to bang up. So for me the PS3 will be my choice of consoles…that is not saying I would not buy a Xbox 360.
Cheers ^_^
THANKS SOO MUCH THAT HELPED ME A LOT
questions:
which console will have better games in the far future?
what r the best games for xbox 360(im asking this to xbox 360 owners and the games can be ones that arent out yet)?
what r the best games for ps3(im asking this to ps3 owners and the games can be ones that arent out yet)?
does blu ray and hd-dvd affect the quality of games on ps3 and xbox 360? like if there wasnt blu ray built in to the ps3 would the graphics or something be worse?
is it true that hd-dvd stopped making movies, will that have any affect on the consoles gaming?
thansk for replying
really good article. I myself have both consoles and I am undisided on which is the ‘best’. i would say i preffer playing on my 360 simply because it is more fun but i believe games like uncharted and unreal 3 are starting to show what the playstaion is made of I think now that blue ray has won the format war the playstation will be the better console in years to come with graphics and playabilty.
although sony really need to take some tips from xbox live.
no, the type of disc that the game is on does not inherently affect the graphics.
the disc type signifies size and how much data can be stored on the disc, so in essence it could affect the graphics.
These are the estimated sales for consoles in 2008 (supplied by EA)
Nintendo wii – 12-14 million units
Playstation 3- 9.5-11.5 million units
xbox 360 – 6-8 million units
Playstation 2- 4-5 million units
so, contrary to what all xbox fanboys will tell you, Sony are THE leaders in consoles.
Total sales for 2007 (up to sept 30):
Nintendo wii – 9.9 million units
Playstation 2- 8.4 million units
Playstation 3- 3.9 million units
xbox 360 – 3 million units
Is it any wonder Sony have waited until 2008 to really push the PS3? I mean look at the figures for PS2 sales in 2007!! It sold 5.5 million more units than the next gen xbox 360. That, quite frankly, is amazing!
There is no need for arguing, when it is obvious from sales what console the people of the world think is best!
*sigh as usual people refuse to research data before spewing it:
Heres a great site to check #’s at (jammaster you were WAY off)
—>http://vgchartz.com/
(You can also check past console sales and its simple enough for an idiot to use)
—>http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php
Oh and in case you’re too lazy to get the figures for 2007:
xbox360: 8,364,814
PS3: 7,779,681
THANKS SOO MUCH THAT HELPED ME A LOT
questions:
which console will have better games in the far future?
what r the best games for xbox 360(im asking this to xbox 360 owners and the games can be ones that arent out yet)?
what r the best games for ps3(im asking this to ps3 owners and the games can be ones that arent out yet)?
does blu ray and hd-dvd affect the quality of games on ps3 and xbox 360? like if there wasnt blu ray built in to the ps3 would the graphics or something be worse?
is it true that hd-dvd stopped making movies, will that have any affect on the consoles gaming?
thansk for replying
those answers will decide what console i buy and the rest of the info i got from this article
this is from way back on feb 1st but it goes with the thread:
“will the 360 end up having multi-disc games or is there some other way around this problem?”
xbox 360 does have multi-disc game. the game blue dragon consists of 3 discs… thus far that is one of the only games i know to have it.
xbox is juss shit in my point of view, im not biased as ive got both the xbox 360 n ps3, my 360 sounds louder than my car. n stupid fanboys of xbox r all gay coz i bought both the ocnsols for gaming myself n soemtimes wiv my friends wen they come over, im played both of them online n ps3 is harder to use and the interface is more harder but i only used them once to check them out, if u bought an xbox for online gaming ur juss gay n sad. sony is dominant n more experienced in this area than microsoft will ever be, now hd-dvd is dead , i wonder how many more exlusibes r gonna come out, n xbox has had a head start but not its reached its limit n now they;re even considering using blu-ray now, thats like admitting defeat
well i have always been a playstation boy, but on release i decideed that the 360 was the better console. i have had it a year or so now and still very much enjoy playing it. it was not until the other day that i had actually played a ps3, i kept telling people that had one that it was stupid and a waste of money. but when i turned up at my mates house and found he had a ps3, i could not resist but to play it. not only does it look awesome, shiny, black perfect edges, but it plays like a monster, a quiet one. i was quite but back after this and considered whether it was a better console. i have read some of the comments on here and most people have 360′s and argue they are better. i for one bought the 360 as it was the cheaper option at the time, but last week, i purchased a 40gb ps3 for £289. i also sold my 360 to a friend. i had made a mistake and now realise despite all of your comments, that the ps3 is a better console, and i bet half of u here wif 360′s had a ps2, but simply chose 360 over ps3 because of the price!
I have both systems. I just got ps3 about 2 months ago, and i got 360 over a year ago. At first i was content on having a 360, and giving up on ps3 even though i wanted it since it came out. I was considering buyin a HD DVD player for 360 about 3 months ago until i heard that HD DVD’s are not going to be around anymore, and everything is going to blu-ray. Since i bought a HDTV to watch movies in high def and play games in high def i decided to buy the 40GB ps3. I figured 400 bucks to have a next gen dvd player, and a game console which will continue to get better was worth it more than spending 130 bucks on a HD DVD paper weight. The ps3 is truly next gen because it supports blu-ray, that is the future. DVD will be phased out like VHS was and HD DVD might as well never even existed. So far i dont see any differances in game grapghics. I have played the same titles on both systems. The only difference is the 360 does play games smoother, which i hope ps3 will eventually fix. All in all their both great systems. If you only want to play games on a system get a 360. If you want to play games, watch movies in high def, and get a media viewer, get a ps3. I cant say anything about the reliability of ps3 since ive only had it for 2 months, but i have had to take 360 back 3 times and get a new one, and my friend had to take his back twice, and had to send it to microsoft once and didnt get it back for like 3 weeks. I couldnt go 3 weeks without a system! If you are looking to have a system that will be up to date for years to come the ps3 is the way to go, i think anyway.
false………F.U. microsoft for giving me the red ring of death….you won’t even send me a new one …anyways……..ps3 owns 360…you havn’t seen ff13………
Jammaster….
Your theory of sales is flawed. Fiat Panda sold more units than Range Rover in 2007, so I guess we should all run out and buy Pandas, it is obviously a better motor vehicle than a Range Rover.
Skiballas, cmon i expected better from you!?!
The fiat panda is a different class of car to the range rover!
If you want to compare cars then compare BMW sales to that of mercedes, which are both in the SAME CLASS. understand?
My stats are not flawed because if taking sonys number of sales you have to include the ps2, which MR ENOUGH, predictably, forgot to include.
So MR ENOUGH the actual figures would be greatly in favour of sony. Remember it was not until the end of 2008 that the ps2 sales started to drop!. Which is why it is only now that sony are REALLY pushing the ps3.
So do yourself a favour and buy one. You are already living in the past with your prehistoric XBOX, with its defunct HD-DVD.
Jammaster, you are probably right, it is a weal argument, lets use yours, BMW vs Merc.
In South aFrica the new C-Class outsells the 3 series 3:1. But my opinion is that the 3 series is a better car. The only reason MErc is selling more is because it is newer on the market, hence a renewed interest in Merc, where BMW have saturated their market. Still doesnt make Merc a better vehicle (or worse). The PS3 and Wii will outsell XBox, because XBox has sold the majority of their consoles in the previous year thus saturating their market. Thats why you see XBox lagging in sales. It has nothing to do with which is better.
Why dont we just call the entire contest a draw! Im getting tired of argueing with blokes who are only out to cause shit.
A draw it is then skiballas,
I am also tired of the sh*t stirrers on here. Continually contradicting themsleves, I have always backed my arguments with the FULL facts. Unlike MR ENOUGH who only picks stats that suit HIS argument!
*Sigh….it hurts when people like Jammaster somehow make it through school and onto forums before learning to READ.
My post before did not include figures for the PS2 and the Wii etc because i was pointing out the figures YOU cited as incorrect: The 360 and PS3 figures..
However in your narrow little mind this has translated into ‘picking stats’. Logic and reason doth elude you jam.
Hey dickwad, or MR ENOUGH whatever you feel suits you better, the first I presume?
The stats you gave are from a website in which ONE nerd searched the web and then compiled them.
Try this site – http.//n-europe.com/news.php?nid=11202
This site give figures supplied by the companies (sony, microsoft and nintendo) themselves!!! You fecking clown!
And please don’t have a go at my education, afterall I was educated in Scotland, you know the country where all the BEST scholars come to. The country with ST. Andrews university, Where the Royal family send their children!
You, i am guessing, are from the USA, nuff said!!
jam jam jam…
* The site you offered cites only two places as sources of information (and none of them are the actual companies or the NDP).
One Source: The Gamespot link only refers to nintendo’s estimated sales for 2008, and the other has been removed (its link however was to a nintendo page anyways. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Try going to http://www.ndp.com for figures.
The site i quotes uses the same methods of finding data (VG Chartz collects data directly from retailers all over the world- Note They DO NOT use manufacturer SHIPMENT figures but actual retail figures).
The numbers quoted by the NDP and VG Chartz match and it is much easier to see the figures through VG, hence the link i gave.
Now as you missed these OBVIOUS indicators and let YOURSELF quote figures without researching the sources, i’ll definitely have to question your schooling.
Though really in truth i wonder why i waste my time on you.
BTW your guess of USA is wrong… Ass
Am i missing something here?
The link you gave backs up MY argument(type in “ps3 xbox 360 sales” into search window then select next gen sales at bottom) , It tells how half the worlds xbox 360 consoles are sitting on shop shelves. However, it is hard to find a ps3 or wii. This means that microsoft are scamming the numbers, which is what you accused the site I gave you of doing?
It also tells how the ps3 sold 2 million units in the first two months, which again backs up my argument that the people of the world LOVE THE PLAYSTATION.
You must be English or Canadian to lose your OWN argument!?!
Ain’t no way he’s one of ours.
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~van/cangraphics.html
I was just reading up on some education myself…
http://www.digitalartschool.com/kelowna/index.html
This was my school four years ago.
Moving along. What the hell, Enough’s NDP.com is for sale, Jamm’s stat site wouldn’t load for me and until now I’d never heard of vgcharts.com
Nifty!
Regardless of sales though, because we can all rest easy knowing there are still 360′s waiting to break down, there may still be folks waiting to buy another 360 (outside of their previous one’s warranty).
* http://www.npd.com (my mistake)
Ok, the site looks legit, but damned if I can find any numbers and comparisons on it.
I have to register to view them?
yeah
In any case im done wasting my time arguing with you guys.
Anyone looking to buy a system should do the research, and decide which one suits them better, before making a decision.
And those who have a system already should acknowledge any inherent flaws, but at the same time be happy with their decision as it was made based on preference of hardware/software.
Agreed, arguing is a waste of time, and smoking is bad for your health.
Somehow, I don’t think I’ll ever completely stop either.
Thank god for that.
rediculouse argument, in brief.
had an xbox
sold my xbox
got a ps3
its better…
The Cells power is overrated. Not all systems work the same. For example Windows Vista requires more cpu power to boot up then OS X 10.5 Leopard. So the Playstation 3 works differently then the Xbox 360. Not all games are ports of 360s. Virtual Fighter 5 was a port to the 360 from the Playstation 3 version. And the games are identical. I think people have the Cell all wrong. Things are always bigger on paper, but when it comes to actual production, and reception thats where it matters. On paper the Nintendo Wii seems like crap, something tha the aging Playstation 2 and Xbox can do better than. The Nintendo Wii is defeating both consoles and is KING!
I own a 360, and if it breaks again then I’ll purchase a Playstation 3.
Ooooooh, so PS3 is better because JOE said so. Damn, why couldnt JOE speak up earlier and save us all the trouble. Bugger the entire article, for next years follow up article, we will just phone JOE, and JOE will tell us which is better. All hail JOE.
ALL HAIL JOE!
guys listen to the man who wrote this article. you guys said this is the best article ive ever seen… yes i agree with that and the guys said it has been 1 year. and playstation 3 is still not better. xbox is better. im not a fun boy im talkin abbout exactly what i see… all the ps3 fan boys tellin that ps3 will be better in a year… let me tell u guys somtehing. u guys sayin that sicne last year and there is nothing changed xbox still better. i agree blu ray is better but these are game consoles. we are talkin about games.. tell me one think without blu ray whats makin perfect ur ps3 like that? exculsieves? mgs4? i agree with that too.. mgs 4 will be awesome.. but its not enough if u want exclusives i suggest u guys look at geow 2 mass effect bioshock halo3.. im not telling that ps3 is suck both are awesome machines but xbox 360 still better…
JAMM and ENOUGH GUY:
You both are ignorant. Making comments about how well the xbox and PS3 are doing in the market place: both incorrect on those points. Quit bitchin at each other. I have been a PS2 guy for many years… and quite frankly… i bought a 360 because it is a better gaming system. the PS3 is too much money and is better for multimedia. Who gives a shit what its “potential” is. it may have potential… but if it doesnt use it, whats the hype?
5 years is the life of these systems… every five years they release a new one. Xbox 360 is better… it makes use of the whole system… Sony made a crappy gaming system… they tried to cram too many things into one box… if you want a blue ray player… go buy one… if you want a gaming system… buy the xbox360.
Jamm and enough… morons.
YAWN!!
Laff man we have heard it all before over and over again. Tell us something we have not heard before, PLEASE.
You are the moron for thinking that potential means nothing. This is the whole basis of a games console, dummy!
Look at the first games on ps2, like ridge racer for eg. and compare it to One of the later games like God of War II. Games get better on ALL consoles as programmers get to grips with the NEW machines. If programmers knew all the tricks of developing games early on in a consoles life, there would be no difference between early games and later games.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Imagine, Colin mcrae dirt not being improved on by another game or Call of Duty 4 not being improved on.
THAT WOULD SUCK!!
One more thing Sony don’t release consoles every 5 years that would be Microsoft.
ps1 – dec 1994
ps2 – dec 2000
ps3 – dec 2006
xbox- nov 2001
xbox360- nov 2005
Get your facts right MORON!
Sorry, but it that sarcasm?
Surely that makes it 6 years for Sony and only 4 years for Microsoft?
I’ll buy a PS3 when the PS4 arrives, at least that should give enough time for that ‘potential’ of the PS3 to shine through. Until then I’ll play on my XBOX and buy a Blueray player in about 6 months when prices drop.
Chris, I agree. Good point.
Jammmaster duschebag,
You prolly own both systems… so how bout you go play one of them (Or Leisure Suit Larry cause you prolly own that game) and quit ur bitchin… both systems are good…
“Sony made a crappy gaming system… they tried to cram too many things into one box… if you want a blue ray player… go buy one… if you want a gaming system… buy the xbox360.”
LAFF MAN
dude, are you retarded. i have no idea why people say this, “if you want a gaming system, buy and xbox. if you want a media center, buy a ps3.”
so what the hell happened to the ps3 playing GAMES?? are you stupid?! it’s not just a blu-ray player (obviously) or anything else, its main purpose is gaming. that’s it, gaming.
if you think it sucks because there are less games for now, then your stupid. if your happy with xbox live, great, you should be, it’s awesome, but i think that psn for now works fine, just not as easy as live. so!? i still play online.
at least when i’m playing my games (which there are plenty of) my system won’t die on me. and it won’t sound like i’m running my chainsaw while i’m playing either!
it’s stupid when people say the ps3 is a “crappy” system. compared to what?! the thousands upon thousands of failing xbox’s. well ok then, your right, sorry i ever argued with you stupid xbox fan boys.
Xbox 360 update:
Well my screen froze, sent it to Microsoft and received a different console on 12/26/07. The MFG date was 12/17/07. Thought it would be a new console with the Falcon chipset with quieter fan. Nope, checked the heatsink, it’s pre-Falcon cdhipset, the fan is louder than my 1st unit and now the screen is freezing again. Got another repair shipping box from Microsoft so off it goes again on Monday. In the meantime while waiting for the Xbox to return, I’ll play Drake’s Fortune om my PS3 though I still need to complete Orange Box and Bioshock.
GUys, i had ROD 4 times.. i think thats hilarious.
Is that the exclusive 360 Orange Box?
Is that the exclusive 360 Bioshock?
Might I suggest a second hand computer from 2004? It’ll play both those games… on your TV if the TV is LCD.
Dooley:
Yes to both, they are exclusive 360 games but I’m borrowing Orange Box for PS3 from a friend tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll try that also.
Hey LAFFMAN,
so, by your definition a duschebag, is someone who owns both systems?.. Surely a duschebag would be someone who has only played ONE console yet dismisses the other.
i.e LAFFMAN
I just thought that I would point out that the word “potential” has been posted in comments over 90 times. Jesus Christ people. Potential isn’t shit if it isn’t used.
Fabi, ever thought maybe it is you? No ventilation? Maybe the heater sitting right next to your XBox?
Retarded, I have played both systems now, couldnt tell the difference. I played COD4 and Madden 08, both looked the same…though the ps3 played madden 08 a bit easier but 360 seemed a bit more fluid on cod4. Props to 360, they built one hell of a gaming system! Bad thing is so did sony…oh I also forgot sony included a blu ray player and wireless internet. oh that shit doesnt matter right…..yea ok, hdtvs are flying off the shelves and people want to watch hd programming and movies, you can do that on the ps3. oh i forgot you can actually have the ps3 in the living room…where most adults play games at…
A) Resistance isn’t mentioned as a PS 3 exclusive.
B) Most of the high scoring 360 exclusives, mentioned above, are all going to end up on the PC, or are already on it.
C) A lot has changed since this artice was written, PS3 Home and online features being the most significant.
A) The list of games only includes those released after November 20, 2006
B) They are still console-exclusive to the 360
C) Of course things have changed since this article was written; it’s over 4 months old! However one thing hasn’t changed – Home hasn’t been released yet so we still don’t know if it’s any good.
Note to everybody,
DON’T LISTEN TO CARL NELSON
Why? because he hates the ps3. He states this in other articles on this site, therefore, this is a biased report!!.
To quote MR. CARL NELSON:
“Okay, low-blow. Everyone knows how I hate the PS3, so moving on…”
Yes he actually said this.
Jammaster that was a joke. Ever hear of sarcasm?
This blog officially sucks! Same thing day in and day out. If PS3 is better according to some, who cares, COD4 and GRAW2 made XBox360 worth wile for me. I am signing of, am tired of getting 8 shitty emails in my inbox telling me some twat has made another shitty comment. Julle eerste wereld knapies is in elk geval ‘n pyn in die gat. ‘n Blerrie klomp brats met silver teelepels in julle gat opgedruk. Voorspoedige fokof!
lol, I don’t blame you Ski.
The best argument you made was the 360 saturation bit (in regards to console sales last month).
this was a well writen article but 360 beats the ps3 no compation wats so ever. even thoe ps3 has been there first but the xbox has made a name for its self. u no how the ps2 took down the dreamcast well the 360 is goin to take down the ps3 in the near future, remeber that it’s a fact watch for the x in the year 2010 thats wen the worlds going to change. so xbox all day………..
BC might not work, yet, but you can still download PSO games onto the PS 3 hdd, for a pretty cheap price. That’s an advantage PS 3 will have over the 360 when Home is released. Not only will the arcade classics be available, in the Mall’s viruta arcade, but Sony exclusive classics will be downloadable.
Four months isn’t that long of a time when comparing consoles. A lot has changed in a very short period, ie Sony has been kicking ass in improving the PS 3′s gaming experience.
Another point you didn’t bring up is the PS 3′s bluetooth support. Not to mention the ongoing price of Blue Ray DVD players (and Blue Ray has now officially won the battle with HD-DVD), is worth getting a PS 3 for.
“A) A) The list of games only includes those released after November 20, 2006″
Gee, that’s convenient.
B) Yes, they are “CONSOLE” exclusives, but the 360 is not the only platform those games can be played on. The PS 3 exclusives can ONLY be played on the PS 3.
C) Home will be released and it’s already being previewed by many sources who all say pretty much the same thing, that it will change the way we play online games.
Keep in mind there is another feature called Little Big Planet coming to the PS 3 as well, which for the first time allows console gamers to mod, and even create, their own games.
Little Big Planet is an exciting title to be sure, but it’s not the first game to allow users to mod and create.
UT3 supports mods on the PS3.
I never have cited the Bluetooth support upon the PS3, but when you’re running wireless everything (except for my Logitech G25), you tend to forget.
Lol!
The 360 wireless headset is sixty bucks?
A guide to Bluetooth headsets:
http://www.thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/bluetoothheadsets.htm
A post on setting up your headset.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=898874
Note: Warhawk comes with a Jabra BT125.
Oh man, first let me say, Jammaster(although he made a comment about the U.S. Ima proud american) and Dooley are now my 2 most favortive bloggers because they actually use smarts, not to mention hilarious wit in this debate. Now, the playstaion 3 is definately better than the 360 if you focus on a couple factors:
1. Consider the 360 came out in 2005. How can an “inferior” console that came out a year later, mind, catch up, and overtake a system that has saturated the market? Twice? (The wii and ps3 did it.)
2. The 360 has pointless features. Come on you know im referring to the extremely dim idea of being able to open the console via the controller. Why is this pointless you say? Well dont you have to GET OFF your LAZY ass to put the game in?
3. 360 is not futureproof. Every intelligent human being (dis counting the stupids who are 360 heads) knew HD DVD was goin to fail, and that the limited technology put in to the console pretty much gets overran by PCs. Examples you say? Lets look at Bioshock. Need i say more?
4.The Biggest Game Xbox owners had (halo3) was a flop! Mass Effect had a great story, but then again, so did Harry potter and we know what those games are doing these days(if you dont know, they’re playing Pokeno in some ones dumpster) Our biggest games MGS4, FF, GOW3, and Resistance 2 are pretty much set in stone to be great. Mind you that all of these are actually exclusives, all have yet to be released, AND the Playstation 3 is outselling the 360. Imagine when these games are rubbing shoulders in your local gamstop…..
5.Whats actally next for the 360? Gears2? I’ll admit i liked Gears 1, but i only played the PC version, so game wont count cause its not Exclusive. ME2? The story was nice, but that doesnt make up for the shitty gameplay. What do you guys really have?
6. The 360′s claim to have “more games.” This one really grinds my gears. Remember the story of Leonidas and his 300 spartans? Basically, Quality over Quantity. Fuck more games if it means im gitten shit like Vampire Rain! How can you claim to have more games, when all you talk about is halo and bioshock and mass effect? Hell i’d rather have vampire rain if it meant not hearing about halo again, cause frankly im so sick of that game, i wanna puke 30 master chiefs and 25 arbiters. My point is, where are all these hundreds of games that the 360 boasts? 360 fan boys, please stop claiming crap! Its not healthy lol
7. Whats this crap about multiple Dics for games? Gamecube’s Resident evil remakes ring a bell anyone?
8. My last gripe (promise) is the whole “if you want a multimedia blah blah blah buy the PS3″ crap. Y not buy a multimedia device that ALSO plays games? Microsofts consideration of blueray weakens this argument! If you dont think so consider this: they have noticed that its (ps3) is excelling in both genres (gaming and home theater) that they actually decided to scrap the thing they’d been pushing for 3 long years (HD DVD) in order to mimick the competition! I’d say they’re all but ready to wave that white flag.
Just as having excess fecal matter in your body doesnt make healthier humans, having “feces” in your game library doesnt make your system “healthier”. Just think, “i have more semen samples in my panties than you do, so I’m a better hooker.” Essentially, and sadly, this is exactly how 360 fan boys sound when they claim to have more games. So? When they suck as bad as they do (Perfect Dark Zero, probably THE best example) you can have more. Hey Lair did suck. Thats one. Give me another. PS3′s launch library if you people actually noticed was better than ANY launch of this OR last gen. Resistance was definately better than anything Xbox or X360, Wii, or even the PS2 had.
When it comes to 360 and PS3, there is no comparison. PS3 is better, get a life, eat a crumpet, or shove it up your bunghole for all I care.
Thank you for this article, found it to be a BIG help. I have had a 360 for about year and a half/ 2 years and it broke down unexpectantly, so you were proved absolutely right about the reliability ( i know some people who have had the same problem). So now I think I will buy a PS3 and give it a fair chance.
Shnakadada! Im buying an XBOX 360! Although I can only afford the arcade and Ill have to save a month or two and get a hard drive. Im a poor ass South AFrican you see.
Yo Birdman do us all a favor and fly away!
PS3 is better?..
Here are some stats from ign:
(Editors choice games only)
All time totals:
86 – 360
40 – ps3
But thats not fair since 360 came out in 2005 and ps3 2006…so lets take the figures for 2007:
xbox 360 for 2007: 59
ps3 for 2007: 31
360 outshines the ps3 for higher rated titles.
360 FTW!!
The PS3 is better because you can download old titles?
Hello Xbox live arcade! Worms, Bomber man, Metal slug, there are tons of games there.
It is a big thing to be able to open the system while playing a game. If I’m playing anything, and I notice one of my friends log in, I don’t have to quit what I’m doing to chat with them, or play music off my iPod, or add more friends to my list, or do any number of things.
Honestly the Xbox is a superior system. The PS3 is lucky that it can even keep even with the Xbox is frame rates right now.
Do your caretakers know you escaped?
Do you realize you just provided us with magic numbers that lack context altogether right?
Your context is game consoles?
Ok, so I’ll make something up to go with it:
In some year (maybe 2005, maybe 2006, ooh to thrill of the unknown), there was 86 something for the 360, i’m assuming 86% of people were realizing they wanted a PS3.
At the same time, 40% of PS3 owners were realizing they wanted a 360.
Now in 2007 after we’ve established that the quality games on 360 are also on PC (where they play better, at higher resolutions, with better online and controls), it seems that 59% of 360 owners want a PS3, and only 31% of PS3 owners want a 360.
Can you do us a favor and come up with a name that doesn’t act as a Synonym for Douchebag?
And please don’t bother using ‘well your name is a synonym for…’
That’s not a comeback. It’s a copout.
Much like your argument.
Wow 360ftw, you’d like me to fly away? Sorry but I like aguing with asses who dont know anything. I’ll prove that you dont kno nuthin: Name all those “86″ games the 360 has. I dare you. And if perfect dark zero is in that equation, then im gonna throw a flash grenade at your barmitzfa.
And out of all those “86″, how many were actually exclusive you ass? Most of those games are either multiplatform or on the PC. The exclusive list should be (i dont claim to know the exact number) more around 20 something, and out of that 20 something, how many of those games were actually good? Around 3: Halo 3, Mass Effect, And Bioshock (which doesnt even count cause its on the PC, but we’ll put it here for arguments sake).
So the 3 you guys have make your system better? Ppppphahahahahaha
Your system has reached its plateau. And if you dont like systems with potential, cram it cause its like saying: Well LeBron James has potential to be the greatest basketball player, but blah blah blah. Why not take something that has potential, and is also great right now? The playstation 3 is jumping ahead of the 360 ALREADY and its only just breaking into its stride? Im sorry but 360 need a 540 to keep up with the ps3.
What’s this about games playing better on the PC?
I’ve been playing Games on my PC since the late 80′s, and some of my fondest memories are on that platform. But as a gaming system I will take the 360 any day.
It’s great that you can counter Xbox vs PS3 arguments with PC statements.
Not only are you dumb, but you’re trying to justify the fact that you’re dumb. Think dude, when you say the 360 has all these “exclusives,” Dooley, Jammaster and I have all been trying to tell you one thing: The exclusive titles are actually lower in number than you think. Of course we’re bringing PC into this argument: its relevant. Dont claim to have something thats exclusive, if it can be purchased and enjoyed on another platform. We arent justifying and/or saying that “In a PS3 vs. 360 aguement, get a PC,” we’re simply stating (Hence the word SIMPLY, cause u morons are extremely dim) the number of exclusives that are actually exclusive to the 360 is closer to the number of released/anticipated PS3 exclusives. And as a gaming system, PS3 owns all.
lol i luv dum ps3 fanboys.
Read what i wrote…i gave the number of games each system has on ign’s editors picks. I never said they were exclusive.
Xbox360: 86 total editors choice entries
ps3:40
and then i compared the ones from 2007 only :
xbox360: 59
ps3:31
dooley…those funny looking things in front of the numbers are letters…put them together to form words…
if you had done that you wouldve been able understand what i was talking of and where i got my numbers…
dumm ass fanboys…
HAHAHHA
To quote:
“you’re dumb” “PS3 owns all”
That’s the greatest argument I’ve heard today.
OMG 360ftw, you are a complete FuddRucker! Hahahah you said those games from the editors picks arent nessesarily exclusive?! Wouldnt that make them available on PC WII or even PS3? This is why you can count those! Dont rag on Dooley cause he prolly is the Smartest poster on here! Wth man, I could have sworn he wasnt a fan boy, cause he was the main one (if your dumb ass would look up ^) sayin the ps3 had faults. I on the other hand AM a fan boy. You need not post if you arent gonna provide good enough arguments, then try and say other people are dumb, when you cant even speak with correct diction. Go read a GAMEINFORMER u prude
I can counter with PC statements because 360 owners can claim their games are exclusive.
Like you said, fondest memories on that platform (mine too).
That said, the computer is a recognized gaming platform, which means games on the PC and 360 are not exclusive to the 360.
Exclusive should mean exclusive.
That ensures people will buy the system to play the game.
Why on earth would I buy a 360 only to have hardware that (i know the argument is old) may malfunction, and when it does, it’s brutal.
Besides, why would I buy a 360 only to buy all the same peripherals all over again. Control units (be it controller, joystick, steering wheel, etc), usb camera, usb headset, usb keyboard, and if that’s not enough, why would I limit the hardware options available to me? To only 360 gear?
When a system like the PS3 can have consistently quality titles without breaking down, overheating, having said history and all the while retain complete coompatibility with a broad range of third party hardware, then that’s the system that gets me money.
Apologies for the run on sentences.
Ha! Best response on this post. ^^^
No asswad, YOU read what YOU wrote.
It’ll be like proof reading, here lets do it together.
At no point herein did you define exactly what the fuck those numbers were.
But now that you’ve told us all that they are “the number of games each system has on ign’s editors picks” we can all rest easy knowing Google can decipher that mess you call typing.
Maybe they should bring out All the Right Type for 360.
I wonder where that’d land on IGN.
Birdman,
I don’t even know why we bother posting here…
I think this has become a collective circle jerk of PS3 fanboys… Who have nothing better to do on their consoles than surf the web.
Actually I’m glad I don’t have to play with you guys on live (That’s where you can play games with your friends, just so you PS3 guys know)
What a great comeback ptcomm…dude dont get happy, its sarcasm… ok lets look at online play: ummmm i DO think, nay, remember the playstaion 2 doing online first……..so, from here on dont try to insult my intelligence with comments about live, trust me it has its faults, and isnt as great as ppl would have you think. Besides Im on a sidekick and when ever someone leaves a post on here, it alerts me. And i’ll argue all day if need be, i dont hafta go to bball practice till 7:00 pacific time.
Tomm, I wouldn’t call you an asswad.
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-ruin-xbox-live-for-everyone-else
I’d just share that and state that ya’ll have your own problems on Live.
So much so they made an animated short.
Bird,
I’m on a BlackBerry 8830, and a looong day at work :P
Sorry, the PS2 didn’t do online first. That’s a joke. I was playing UO and Warbirds and shit way the hell before PS2, or PS1 for that matter.
Dooley, I totally want to watch that, I just can’t right now at work :P
Here’s one for our collective enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04
That one gets me every time.
If that doesn’t make you laugh, PS3 or 360, we’ve got one up on WoW players, that’s for sure.
Tomm you’re correct but i didnt mean out of computers, i just meant console wise. And lol that link you just posted was hilarious.
One thing I’d like to say,
I don’t want to be a 360 fanboy. I honestly believe it’s the better choice for me, and it is.
What pisses me off, and why I rage on these boards, is the stupid fucking idea that we are in two different camps playing the same god dammed games. Why shouldn’t I be able to play vs PS3 users in burnout?
If we could play together on he cross platform stuff, I wouldn’t give a shit. I’ll be happy with my sexybox, you can have your PS3, and we’d fight it out in COD4 like normal human beings.
Fucking companies.
That’s the only reason I want Sony to give up on consoles, so I can play on live with EVERYONE, even you Dooley, and not worry about who has what console.
Lol tomm i had the same revolution; in another forum i suggested that sony and ms have their online community combine so i could play you in COD4 on my PS3 and U on Ur 360. Man i friggin got kicked out for flambaiting! But yea the only thing i disagree with u about is Sony making consoles……I love sony. But hey dont you guys think we should start an online petition for M$ and Sony to do that? Hey im down
It won’t happen unfortunately…
But it’s a grand idea.
When the next consoles get released, one of these guys better go bankrupt, so we can have a true gaming community.
Hahahahahahahahaha
No i kinda like this “war” though. Gives me a purpose in life(not really just being funny), hey what can i say i was born in the 80′s.
But i think if enough 360 owners sign it, and enough PS3 owners sign then they’d almost have no choice…..
I mean think about it, 360 trashtalkers and PS3 trashtalkers would love the idea to prove who’s better over COD4. Just think of the epic battles that’d happen…….Ooo man i think I’m gonna start it up on that free petition website
What we need is for one of the companies to turn their online service into just that.
A true free and open cross platform online service.
They can run ads, they can run commercials, I don’t give a shit, it’s all on the internet already.
Once someone steps up, the others will say, ‘oh fuck now it’s on.’
If I’m going to petition anything, I’ll run for the modular game system.
A system whereby the games are scalable as they are on computer, but the hardware is standardized, hotswappable (on the fly plug and play), and in a proper market, under competition.
If there was more than one company making hard drives for the 360, 120gb hard drives wouldn’t cost 160 bucks.
I’m not going to go on a tirade therein, but my point is that if we had an open online community, coupled with a modular game system, we wouldn’t be that far from where we are now.
Think about it: You buy an Arcade bundle, you add shit to it, right?
It’s been the classic arguement I’ve been making, because the modularity is most fluff.
What I’m talking about is chips, memory, harddrive, video processor, physX chip, etc..
Much like a computer, but now it’s made by fucking Tonka so everyone gets down with it.
Everybody understand it.
It’s accessible to the public. Now it’s not a computer, it’s a game system.
Right?
There’s no difference between a console and a computer, except for how proprietary it is (I can only use Wii, Sony or Microsoft hardware).
There would be no difference between today’s gaming industry and that one, except the hardware is all standard! The operating system is standard!
Now it’s all on the same playing field.
Writing games becomes infinitely easier, you’ve got casual gamers who have three hundred dollar systems, you have hardcore enthusiasts who sprung for the two thousand dollar package.
etc..
Honestly, it would be a blast.
Well said, and although im not one to argue for modulars, I dont think it’d hurt. Shit we are all gamers and the sooner the gaming industry figures this out the better off we’ll be as a whole.
Dooley would you do the honors?
Start the petition.
I thought this was a really good article. I love my PS3. Don’t get me wrong the 360 is a good system but i have to agree that the 360 is at it’s peak and can’t get no better while the PS3 is only getting better. With Blu-Ray winning their battle Sony can only make the PS3 better. Also with the word on the street is that Sony is goint to bundle the PS3 with MGS4, I think you can say the PS3 will move more units not to mention i know 3 people that are goint to sell their 360 and 2 that have sold their system do to fact that it crashed on them and they want the HD-GT. the thing i like about it best is the PSP to PS3. i can be anywhere and log on to my PS3 using my PSP. As of now i can play any PS1 game in my PS3 on my PSP. Sony knows what tha F*** their doing cuz they built a system for the long run. the PS2 was around what a little over 7 years, i think the PS3 will be around maybe longer. and to me the game play is the same, all but Madden, but saw somthing the other day that E.A. is going to make their games a lot sicker for this year and on because the PS3 is the ONLY SYSTEM that can do what they want for next gen.
I hate the whole price argument for 360. People should know that the 40gb PS3 comes with a bigger HDD than the 360 premium, built in WiFi and Blu Ray player. Here in the UK it’s only £50 more for the 40gb PS3 than the 360 premium, about the cost of the 360 wireless adaptor, let alone the HDDVD drive (now totally obsolete). I’m happy to pay more for a Blu Ray drive as soon, developers will struggle with DVD.
If you guys think the PS3 is going to be around for 7 years…
Keep on dreaming.
It can barely handle what’s coming out now, let alone a few years from now.
I’m hoping that 3 years from now we’ll see a new system from MS, or we’ll all have to start getting on our PC’s.
Hey,
theres too much love going on here!
I have only been away a couple of days and you have all become friends !?!
Only joking, well done guys!
The ps3 WILL last 7 years, in total, remember it has been out for 2 already. Of course it can handle future releases. There is PLENTY of room on blu-ray disc for any future game.
The petition sounds a good idea, I am up for that.As Dooley said we would have to contact an online company rather than sony or ms.
oh yeah, pctomm , I loved the youtube clip! If thats what happens with too much online play, I am happy to own a ps3!!. That guy scared the sh*t outta me!!
Ok guys! I’ve created the petition. The link is on my name. Please everyone in this forum, promote it! We need a couple thousand, or maybe even a million signatures! I’m not saying it’ll be easy, but dammit, change begins with us! We are the moderators! We controll wether or not 360′s and Playstions Sell! If we have that power we also have the power to force them to connect online services. Go sign it! (Link is on my name)
Tags are 360 and ps3
Alls you gotta do is click “Connect blah blah blah” link and read and sign it. Please promote it to every next gen owner you know!
Hey Jamm,
Seriously, those dudes make us look sane.
I just don’t think we’ve got 5 years left on any console, they’re getting dated compared to the PC tech that’s out there now
I don’t have a love for PC’s anymore though, my XBox time has been far far more cost effective and fun that screwing around with my pc’s, and dishing out thousands a year on upgrades.
You’re exaggerating.
It doesn’t cost thousands. It doesn’t even cost thousands to build a machine from scratch (and sniff!)
This is blurbbed from Carl’s SP1 Benchmark article:
A decent system that can be built for well under $1000.
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 6700 (2.66 GHz, 1066 FSB)
Memory: 2GB A-Data DDR2-800 5-5-5-18-2T
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (Intel P965 Express chipset, ICH8 Southbridge)
Hard Drives:
WD Raptor 36GB 10K RPM SATA
Seagate 120GB 7200 RPM SATA
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 7950GT (ForceWare 169.25 WHQL)
That’s not bad at all and frankly, the last time I upgraded my computer was when I bought a video card and a chip…
three years ago?
Anyhow, it run Crysis great at 1024×768 with all the extra crap turned on. PC gaming is just fine.
I will agree that with the rate of expansion and improvement we don’t want systems lasting five years (let alone seven) but the proof is in the pudding. Meaning systems have lasted longer in the past.
That all said, I’d like to again point out that Toshiba did buy a Cell manufacturing plant. I’m assuming we can expect the Cell processor to see some extreme leaps in technical prowess come the next few years, and that may translate into longevity for the PS3.
If nothing else, it’ll mean that the new age will see even more powerful cell processors to replace what we currently use in all our day to day gadgets.
It does cost thousands. running a current game at 1024×768, is not fine. 1024×768 is like the bottom rung of the ladder.
If you want to stay current, and play games the way they are meant to be played, PC gaming is far far more expensive in time and money.
I just don’t see the PS3 or the Xbox for that matter lasting more than a few more years at the most before we start bitching.
I mean seriously, the PS3 has a 256mb video card… My laptop has as much.
I’ll agree PC’s have the smallest window of longevity, being I haven’t spent money on my rig in three years, I can say there are times it’s hard not running out to buy a new chip, or another stick of RAM.
Crysis at 1024×768 with all the bells and whistles is no bottom rung.
Half-Life 2 at 800×600 with the bells and whistles turned OFF, is bottom of the rung.
My system isn’t current, but the right pieces get the right upgrades a the right times.
Laptops with 256mb dedicated video cards are the more expensive lot. I’m going to guess you specifically looked for that laptop in order to do some heavy graphical work, be it video games or 3d.
Texture work wouldn’t need anything too extravagant, but the extra memory is always a great asset.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again… why can I buy a next gen console without a hard drive, but my cellphone includes one.
I believe that with Toshiba back full on, we’re going to see some incredible Cell innovation coming down the pipe.
Incidentally, while 360 HD-DVD drives have dropped in value (fifty bucks!?), Toshiba laptops that include an HD-DVD drive have not.
Y’know, I’m going to admit I’m actually upset HD-DVD didn’t win?
Fucked eh? Why is this? Because I firmly believe that BluRay is the perfect venue for game (which require more space, and work well with the PS3′s smaller but faster pipelines) but is a complete waste on the movie industry, especially given the features that HD-DVD had going for it.
Don’t get me wrong… Microsoft’s implementation of the HD-DVD drive was a complete waste and did nothing to help the industry survive.
If you could have played games through that drive…
Anyhow, back to you Tomm.
Well… As far as my job is concerned, yes I needed the video card.
But really I have it so I can play Medieval II and wings of victory when I have some spare time.
Dooley…
Your cellphone has a hard drive? It must fuckin’ burn when you put your ear up to it HAHAHHAAA… Does it have the motion sensor to park it when it moves?
You prolly meant memory card or whatever, I know. I just like making fun of you because you’re such an easy target.
Funny guy, it does have an obvious sensor, but you’re too far away.
It goes off everytime someone mentions the weather.
A further note: The Wii uses flash memory, same as my cellphone.
Meaning it’s built in, as opposed to a mem card. Which my PS3 supports every type of.
And your 360 does not.
Sorry… the 360′s an easy target. ;)
Wow, not even you guys signed the petiton……. anyways, as far as your guys’ argument goes, the 360 is an easy target. It has waaaaaay more faults, and does more bad than good. Personally I’d play the 360, but then there had to have been no such thing as the playstation (1), ergo, there would have never been an Xbox in the first place. Guess i wont be playing and/or buying a 360. Aww too bad, im losing out on…..wait……RROD’s……$50 online fees…….$200 worth of peripherals that shoulda been boxed with the console……being able to only connect with Xbox gear as opposed to anything blue-tooth………..Vampire Rain?!
Mutherfucker!
Guess I’m not missing a darned thing…….unless you count XBOX live farming. Wait, thats not a good thing…….
obviously the ps3 is a more superoior system. i have not heard anyone mention the sixaxis contoller which can do alot the the things the wii can do. The ps3 is practically a computer. you can hook up a keyboard,mouse and printer. Its internet browser is almost as good as internet explorer. Also the ps3 updates itself frequently so add ons are always coming onto games and the system itself.
So I keep reading and reading on how the 360 owners only arguement is, the 360 is more powerful and we have more exclusive titles.
It is not more powerful, it is the beneficiary of easier coding for game devlopers, something sony has fixed by releasing the mod tool kits (or whatver there called) to developers.
The 360 does have more titles, but not exclusive ones since dooley pretty much hit the nail on the head saying it is NOT a exclusive if it released on PC and 360.
PS3 arguements are, more bang for the buck, near future and beyond gaming going to surpass the 360 ten fold, and possible longevity of the system being unmeasurable.
Value is on the ps3 side, hell a blu-ray player built in, wireless internet built in, free online play (which is about to be upgraded), for 399.99 and 499.99 amazing. Blu-Ray games having far superior space for gaming then dvd, cell processors only starting to realize potential, and every damn piece of equipment that has a usb connector on it is compatible with my ps3, hell my 1.5 year old bluetooth headset i just recently recharged and works with it, my ps2 keyboard works, my extra mouse works, value people, you get it with ps3 all for 399.99 (if ur a ps2 owner you probaly have this stuff, or a pc owner), how much does the 360 for 349.99 with everything i just stated now cost?
DONT get me wrong the 360 is a solid machine, but it is meant only for gaming, adults like me who drop 400.00 for a gaming system have the mentality that it better do some other shit out of the box, which the ps3 does not the 360.
I really thought that the Playstation 3 had more power, better graphics and better developed games at the time. But it seems not to be the case. Although the playstation 3 do have the ability to run blueray disc´s.
So what.!!
The Xbox RULES!!!!
Fuck off SONY!!
http://us.i1.yimg.com/videogames.yahoo.com/feature/red-ring-of-failure/1192354
Just an interesting read on the situation.
Wow. Great review. Helped alot. Thanks muchly!
have any of you heard of the newer ps3 models, that are supposedly in the works? (160GB,and 120GB)
And by the way i think killzone 2 is going to be halo/GOW/ME for the ps3, it just gives me chills looking at it.
i cant wait
I have a 360
tbf im waiting for it to die
so i can blag a PS3 for my birthday of my parents :P
sonys consoles always look crap at the beginning, i mean i remember having my dreamcast (possibly the most underrated consoles ever) and looking at my sisters PS2 and thinking, wow thank god i’ve got this. only for 3 years later to be trying to steal the PS2 of her.
The PS3 will be better than the 360, its just a matter of when the developers get to grips with the PS3′s SPU thingys :)
“If somebody wants something similiar to a PC gaming experience… well, the PS3 suppors keyboard and mouse.”
Dooley you dense fuck. You think a keyboard and mouse make the PS3 ‘similar’ to a PC? I can play PC games with a controller, does that make it similar to a 360 or a PS3? Fuck no. A console is an “alternative” to a PC. So compare your consoles to PCs all you want, but it’s just a waste of time because when sat side by side BOTH consoles are shit in comparison. Do you know what the PS3 is? A cheap piece of shit imitation. As far as I’m concerned, the only “consoles” on the market are the 360 and the Wii. The PS3 is one of those bullshit products that try to fit many things into one. Kind of like a Flashlight/radio that I had when I was five. It ended up in the trash because at the end of the day I had a better flashlight and a better radio laying around. The same thing can be applied to the PS3. You have all these cool little extras, however, when you think about it you probably have better products that do the same shit laying around(An actual B-Ray Player, a PC, George Foreman grill, A duster.) The PS3 isn’t a console, it’s a piece of shit all-in-one product you buy at the dollar store.
I hate to sit here and reign on anyones parade but once ps3 reaches its potential microsoft will have already came out with a new system
Y’know.. normally I’d just pass all over your ass with the limitless amount of factual information I’ve utilized in trouncing pathetic attempts like yours to demonstrate intelligence, but given you had to split a hair to open up your little can of whoopie, I think I’ll let you wither in your feces.
Frankly, asswads like you bore me with your cat calls of ‘ps3 this and 360 that’.
The fact is the PS3 takes more peripherals than a german whore and the 360 only takes 360 hardware that is typically overpriced and breaks down (example: One Microsoft Steering wheel).
Last I checked, everyone has a camera in their phone and as one other poster on this little tirade stated, when I drop this much coin, I expect my console to do more than play an endless library of crappy games and overheat.
Some of us may expect a ‘next generation’ console to do next generation things.
Like include the hard drive. Allow me to browse the internet (when I’m done playing all those amazing 360 exclusive titles like, Bioshock and Mass Effect. Or Gears of War).
Piss off you prat. Just because you can string syllables together doesn’t mean you have an arguement. Just means you have something to say, and nobody here, least of all me, is really impressed, because if you scroll up just a hair, you’ll find that someone else has already said what you said, and I’ve already told them how it is.
Get bent, I’m busy.
I’ve been away for a while but came up with an interesting concept and would like to know your take on it.
In terms of exclusives:
An xbox 360 is very much like a PC. Actually its the same company (Microsoft)- And before someone is quick to point out that Microsoft provides the software only on PC let me also point out that Microsoft doesn’t make the hardware on the 360. they provide the software on which it is based and run. So essentially PC and 360 have the same parent company.
Hence titles appearing on the 360 which also appear on the PC are in fact “exclusive”. Case in point if i have a PSP game (ie metal gear solid) which is also on the PS2 it is still an exclusive title as they both have the same parent company (Sony).
What you think Dooley?…
That’s a fair statement, given that Microsoft is trying to segregate their titles with the ‘Games for Windows’ tag.
It’s a tough argument that I don’t have enough time to climb over right now, but I would say I’m in partial agreement.
It’s not exclusive because it is a different machine, regardless of software developer, and it IS exclusive because it’s ‘categorized’ as ‘Microsofts Brand of Game’ (‘Games for Windows’).
I mean, they created their own rating system… not that it means much to a guy like me, who is used to (and expects to find) minimum system requirements detailing precisley what is needed.
Not just, an experience index (fancy word for number out of five).
Anybody else?
Why do people keep bringing up topics on the PC?.
I don’t care about loner machines like PCs. I want a machine where my friends can come round and we all play games like pro. evo soccer together. You know HAVING A LAUGH with your mates is far more sociable and enjoyable than playing with imaginary friends from a far of continent! Yes online play is enjoyable but you have to play with people you can actually touch once in a while, surely!?!.
Oh yeah exclusive means exclusive i.e only available on ONE machine not two or three machines, whether or not they are a in a different genre, Wii and pc are still games machines you know.
Jam by your same logic the Metal Gear series and others the PS3 touts as exclusive would not be as they can also be found on the PSP or PS2.
*Personally i consider an exclusive to be that which is exclusive to the Brand (Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo).
Hence the Metal Gear series is Sony exclusive and Mario is Nintendo exclusive etc…Not “..only available on ONE machine..” as you stated.
The metal gear “series” is not exclusive but each individual game, if on a single machine, IS. simple really, you are just trying to complicate things, again!
You can consider an exclusive to be that which is exclusive to a brand all you want, but it wont change the ACTUAL meaning of exclusive in the games world. note the word GAMES not HARDWARE which is what the BRAND make.
By your defintion if rockstar make GTA for PS only and make Midnight run for all machines they cant claim GTA to be a PS exclusive because they make other games for other machines under the ROCKSTAR brand?!?
Stupid ideology I think.
Actually the question i raised was simple.
For example if MGS 2 was released on both the PS2 and the PSP would it still be an exclusive?
… I would say yes. You obviously would say no. I was just asking ppl for their opinion.
Yes it would because the psp is not in same category as ps2. It would be in the HANDHELD category along with the DS for eg.
The pc, xbox, wii and ps3 are in the same category when it comes to GAMES. Which is what we are talking about.
A sony TV and a Panasonic TV are in the same category however they are not in the same category as monitors, even they both (TV and monitor) perform similar tasks.
To put it simply,
If MGS 5 was released ONLY on PSP and 360, by your definition, it would NOT be exclusive because it is available on SONY and Microsoft.
However, it IS exclusive within each of the categories, HANDHELD and CONSOLE/PC.
Therefore it is an exclusive game.
Does that make sense?
Fair enough…just wanted everyones thoughts.
I guess my definition of exclusive is a bit more generalized than yours.
I think we’re splitting hairs here, folks.
Exclusivity is governed by both factors, really.
If MGS is on PS3 and PSP (unlikely, but for the sake of argument), then the game is still exclusive to Sony, but chances are they’ve made changes.
So on the one hand, yes it’s exclusive by definition, to Sony hardware.
However, it’s not exclusive to the PS3 alone… unless the game were changed to fit the format of the PSP.
Now I realize every game changes when they’re moved from system to system, and Fight Night 3 from PS2 to 360 is wildly different, but the gameplay is still largely the same. So it’s the same game is what I’m pointing out. This means that I can enjoy Fight Night 3 on the PS2, or the 360.
Hence, the game is not exclusive.
Gears of War is available on 360 and PC. It is not an exclusive title in developer, or otherwise because Microsoft has very little to do with the development of my PC. They didn’t prescribe parts, they didn’t develop my ram or hard drive, and even my peripherals are Logitech, not Microsoft. So to say that because I run Windows, Gears of War retains it’s exclusivity doesn’t make sense to me.
At this point, Crysis is exclusive to Windows platforms. It’s not even exclusive to a version of Windows, but displays the moniker, Games for Windows, which we all know is to mean Vista.
For the record: I’ve played this game under XP and Vista (Dx9 and 10) and have seen ZERO difference, graphically.
I say we’re splitting hairs because we’re trying to find the missing exclusivity.
Microsoft loses exclusivity with their games when they move to a new platform, and Windows is definetly a different platform from the 360 OS, given that many people with many hardware configurations are utilizing Windows.
Now you could argue that the 360 allows for different hardware configurations, but until you start replacing memory sticks and video cards, that arguement holds no water.
My last point (and my hair to split) herein is that a game developed for Windows can work on a variety of systems. An Apple computer with a Windows wrapper can run nearly any application, so suddenly all these ‘Windows Exclusive’ applications just lost their exlusivity.
Not in an official release sense, but regardless and independant of the developer, I can utilize my software on a system it wasn’t originally released for. Herego, it’s not exclusive to that computer. Furthermore, it’s not exclusive to any one combination of hardware. Not to mention a PC (as opposed to an Apple) doesn’t have a brand name to go with it. It will have SEVERAL brand names, all working in cohesion.
So to say any game on PC is exclusive to any hardware is really bollocks because anybody who meets the minimum requirements can play it on their computer.
As opposed to a console game proper, which can only work on that specific console.
So in short: A game is exclusive based on console relation. A game which is on PS2 and PS3 is not an exclusive PS3 title, it is an exclusive Playstation title. Chances are if a game comes out for PS3 and PS2, it’ll be on Wii and 360 as well, so this whole arguement is really difficult to address.
Jammmaster,
Have you ever gamed on a PC? You moron, you can play with your friends on PC…. you can usually play with more friends than on xbox live (which is totally worth it) or on PS3 online services.
Get your fact straight before you make stupid comments. In fact, I think its great that you love the PS3 or the 360… i dont really remember…
Either way, the 360 IS MORE BANG for the buck… SALE numbers proove that. Now I know you are most likely going to try to have soem whitty come back by rippnig apart something I said, and proove that it is a stupid or wrong statement… well dont waste your time. Go have your date with Mary Palm and her Five sisters… and let us know how it goes…
I am sorry,,, I see that you were refering to Split screen play (which you cannot do on a PC) ok …. there you are correct… but you can still play with your friends online… BF2 rocks 32 vs 32…. cant find a game that big on Xbox live or PS3
All hail Jammmasterrrrrrr…..
Dooley… stop trying to write a lot of CRAP to impress people… After I read your statements… I feel that much less intellegent… your like a guy who thinks he knows a lot about being a financial advisor just from reading one Wall Street Journal… save us all the reading and keep it short or dont write anything at all. Love, Everyone.
I write a lot of crap to impress UPON people.
Besides, I get it all out in one post.
As opposed to three.
More bang, eh? You like standing in warranty line ups for fun?
The PS3 has outsold that 360 for second month in a row and video game stores around here report they’ve got stock. This is, despite what was reported by Microsoft in regards to machine shortages.
Did you know: When you send your 360 off the Microsoft, your GamerTag goes with it.
If you’ve been busy buying online games and content, keep that in mind.
I felt bad for this fellow, but he got something from Bungie as an apology on Microsoft’s behalf:
http://www.qj.net/Sentimental-Xbox-360-ruined-after-being-sent-in-for-repairs/pg/49/aid/114890
That’s worse than losing a couple downloaded movies.
Why don’t you try writing a bit of crap to impress some facts UPON people. All these 360 fans ever do is STATE INFORMATION without CITATION. What are you the 360 Gestapo?
You have to criticise an informative and theoretical post (which was in response to an avid reader/poster) with a half baked analogy, plus you have to take two more posts to blither about how much your Rosey Palm loves your 360.
Stop trying to impress us.
ok, so laff man said something about bf2 and the 64 player online games, and i play LOTS of bf2. it’s my clans game, etc. but i thought i would also point out that resistance 2 (ps3 EXCLUSIVE!) will have sixty player battles 30 x 30! so minus four but still more than any xbox game by far! also resistance, eight player co op. whose else is excited!?!
God dam you LAFFMAN,
After reading your wrongful attack on me I was rubbing my hands with glee at the thought of my witty comeback. However, before I could, I read your grovelling apology, which has stolen all my thunder!, you b*st*rd!
This does prove that you dont read all of the statements made before attacking people, typical xbox junkie.
Going back to the exclusive debate, which dooley only managed to make even more complicated, You have to look at machines and their RIVALS.
i.e. PS3, 360 and PC are in same category
DS and PSP are in the same category
PS2 and xbox are in the same category
Games released for RIVAL machines are NOT exclusive, games released on ONE machine in ONE of the above categories ARE exclusive. Games releaased on ONE machine but in different categories ARE exclusive as no RIVAL machine has it.
IT IS SIMPLE!!!
There’s a war going on have you picked a side.
I am not a fan either PS3 or 360 but I have chosen a side. For those of you that are still confused. I will say you need to find out what you want the most.
If you are a hard core gamer and love online gaming I would say go for xbox 360.
If you love gaming and multimedia I would say go for PS3.
As for me I will go for the PS3 because I don’t see myself playing 24/7. I have a 500 Gig HDD and I intend to link it to my PS3 and watch some divx movies, then switch it to blue ray. If a friend brings me and DVD or HD well guess what PS3 can still be in the use.
With the PS3 around I can see my computer doing less work as it was doing before.
canadianpickle2
Im excited aswell, i’ll be waiting for Resistance 2 and much, much more good exclusive games that will come in the furture for the ps3!
I dont see a winner in this Battle. This wil go on and on and on. Why dont you idiots shut tha f#ck up and go play your console.
I dont have PS3 nor 360, im just gunna wait untill the next so called greates Condole is released. Then y’all can argue again.
if you wait another 2-3 years there will something better. Hologram-CD’s.
Now that’s what i call the future.
I dont see a winner in this Battle. This wil go on and on and on. Why dont you idiots shut tha f#ck up and go play your console.
I dont have PS3 nor 360, im just gunna wait untill the next so called greates Condole is released. Then y’all can argue again.
if you wait another 2-3 years there will something better. Hologram-CD’s.
Now that’s what i call the future.
i hope this is helpfull for those of you wanted to buy the 360. IF YOU MOVE THE 360 WHILE A GAME IS INSIDE IT WILL BRAKE AND MICROSOFT HAS NO ANSWERS AND THEY ARE DICKS ABOUT IT, ALSO I DIDNT EVEN MOVE MY 360 AND A GAME BROKE! THEY WONT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ps3 games wont brake because you move the system or because you didnt do anything lol. i just sent my 360 to the shop.(u have to compliment xbox online though it is phenominal.)and i am pissed with them. as soon as i get it back im selling it and buying a ps3 could someone who has a ps3 help me decide what games to get and stuff and wether its acually wworth it my email is [email protected]
Ok time to close up the comments for this post. I think anything resembling informative, thought-provoking posts will have been made by now. Anything else left is just useless trolling and fanboy spam.
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