Microsoft has finally evened the odds. After so many months of people seemingly getting off ’scott-free’ playing pirated XBOX 360 games online, Microsoft has finally chosen this day to cut them off completely. If you have a modded system, and somehow think this gives you the right to play on XBOX Live among legit users with non-hacked systems and no cheats installed, you might want to think twice before turning on your 360 today. You might just be greeted with this:
Source: Gamerscore Blog (official Xbox 360 blog)
No warnings, no excuses. If a mod is detected, your console is blocked from being able to connect to Xbox Live for good.
Needless to say, a lot of people may be begging their parents for a new console this week. And after that, surely they will never again try to use Xbox Live. At least, until the next mod chip comes out that bypasses this detection. Then comes the next round of bans from Microsoft. Let the cat & mouse games continue!
Gaming on Xbox Live is about to get much easier (and I think I will try turning on voice chat again).
DeJebus : – Obviously you don’t know what I was talking about so maybe you should just leave the comments to people who are actually giving an opinion and are not here to insult others. I said games are getting more expensive and I don’t know where you were shopping but my Super Nintendo games were 10-20$ where I shopped. The only whining kids here are the ones like you who are jealous of these hackers and modders. You whine saying they deserved it and that they shouldn’t be playing games but in real truth it is people like you who shouldn’t be playing games. I rather play a game with someone who modded their 360 and has games for free but is nice than with someone who is totally legal but a total jerk. IF YOU ARE NOT A NICE GAMER THEN DO NOT BE A GAMER.
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I am beginning to think I should mess around with modding my PS2. I am still giving Microsoft credit for the idea though. You guys thought you wouldn’t have to pay to play but Microsoft found a way even into your pockets.
AnonMac- I believe it has to only do with modding your system to play burnt games. Those mods should be alright.
Ok it’s like this to me anyway Whether your poor rich whatever you need a good reason to buy things i have both 360 and mod360 and im very pleased that i can play games and if they seem good i will go ahead and buy them. Same with music if you have a shitty cd with two cuts on it im gonna download it, if you got 24 bad ass cuts and good artwork or bonus songs or whatever… i will buy it! i got more important thing to spend my money on than a bunch of games i might or might not like so i will jack em, play em, and if i like em i will buy em or if i want to play em online but as far as playing my modded games online i dont cause i dont want to risk ruining anyone elses online gaming ex.
If you want to do anything remotely interesting with your console, plan on getting banned. If you want to buy and play games online, get a ps3 slim…
Not that i condone piracy, but people should get their facts straight. Pirating software is NOT stealing, because when you steal a car for instance, you take away the possibility of someone else driving or buying that car. Software piracy deals in duplicates, and hence it can’t be stealing. It’s something else – and probably something illegal – but it is definitely not stealing.
However “the industry” believes it is loosing out on profits from the people who choose to pirate, but truth be told, most pirates probably wouldn’t have bought whichever item they have copied if they didn’t have the option of pirating – simply because prices have rocketed and quality plummeted… It would be interesting to see how much the market would change if the pricing was different
Let’s hear an Amen for ohmyjesus
things being expensive does not give you the right to just take them
if so id shoplioft all kinds of shit
you broke rules
you got punished
try not to be a douchbag next tiem
and if your gonna mod your xbox
dont go give microsoft a direct line to it like a dumbass
my grammar is bad
i know this
i think it isnt fair because people are trying to save money on games
i have a question. if i have a modded xbox 360 and i’ve played a lot of hacked games, will i still get banned if one day, i’ll play an original game on the same console on xbox live?
yup. as long as your firmware has been modified you can be fairly sure that u will feel the hammer. its the modification that gets you banned, not the backed up software.
And seriously, pirating isn’t stealing in any way. It’s something else, it’s illegal and u shouldn’t do it; but it is not stealing.
And seriously, the movie/gaming/music industry really should come up with another business plan. They have to realize that with the bloom of the internet, the rules have changed. They can’t keep holding on to all the power – they have to give some up (make it more democratic if you will) otherwise they will be on the losing side in the long run. In the music industry, for instance, they keep pulling dusty old has-beens like Bono and Metallica out of the closet to agitate against piracy (as if U2 and Metallica hasn’t already made and spent more money than most people could ever hope to see in a lifetime), whereas a more progressive band like Radiohead give away their stuff for the price people see fit (and had quite a bit of success with that). I’m not saying that Radioheads business plan would be possible for everybody; but the media industry should give up their tight grasp on everything and start thinking in new ways. 21st century ways
—> Josh. U can do a search on google and find the ports that xbox live uses, block them on your router and use xlink kai for system link games instead without ever getting banned (although u wont be able to get system or software updates through live so in effect the result would be like u were banned, with your hdd intact and functioning though).
Seriously, lets start this off properly. Xbox 360 sucks. To have to pay to play games online every month on top of your internet service provider is f’ing ridiculous and stupid. Second, with all the problems 360 has and there crappy controllers really made me think why people would by this… and third, if you are going to mod, you SHOULDN’T be allowed to play online! It should be used to allow you to see how the game is operational and that is it. If you get banned for either trying to find a way around paying for live or simply modding games and expecting to play online for free and get mad, maybe you should think before you do something moronic. For those who do this to mearly play the game single player, I say Thumbs up! But to try and play online with hacks and cracked versions of shit I find intolerable and annoying! To all you hackers and shiitty asss modders, I say FCUK YOU!!!
Oh ya, I forgot to mention that Playstation 3 dominates the 360 easily! For the rest of you who keep complaining about xbox 360’s, just go buy a ps3 or wait til the 720 comes out… but then again look what they are doing with the xbox 720’s, They are hardly changing the way the are putting it together which means over heating and another shitty system! Microsoft wasn’t supposed to make video gaming machines, just computers. As for Sony, there are some problems, but nearly not as many as Microsoft and you don’t have to pay to play online, and PS3 is internet ready so you can google, youtube, or type whatever website you want to go to and it will happen!
BOO XBOX 360!
Have a good weekend, – Sicc
I just wanted to point something out. Although I agree that PS3 has a better online service… Xbox has the games hands down… and “Microsoft wasn’t supposed to make video gaming machines, just computers.” Microsoft doesn’t make computers u dooch!
Strange that xbox outsold the ps3 for the whole of 2009 and probaly the whole of 2010. Crappy controller? The ps3 controller is a piece of sh** compared to the xbox controller.
And microsoft makes software not computers you blithering idiot.
The 720 is a rumour. Just a few weeks ago M$ told about their plans with natal and how the 360 will be the platform they invest in strategically for years to come, so any mention of ps4 and xbox720’s is bogus. And yes, the 360 is a crapbox, really.
That being said, i think modding should be allowed. I can’t see how it harms the “online community” in any ways that couldn’t occur on pc/windows, which by far has the best online community of all platforms. When people say that modders should be banned per se, as they potentially damage xbox live, they are just repeating the words of m$ sales department. It makes no sense – the only kind of “cheaters” I met playing on live has been using a lag switch in modern warfare. And u dont need to mod ur xbox to do that. It wont be long before the 360 homebrew will be at a state, that allows full support for running applications straight off the hard drive, without use of a disc (which is a huge step forward, as the crappy disc drive in the 360 wont be lasting for long). Yes yes, game developers deserve to get paid for their efforts, so I don’t condone piracy (unless it is a really crappy game that u almost bought, but downloaded illegally just to find out it wasn’t worth a cent). With modding comes increased functionality of the crapbox’ hardware, which I kind of like.
Look.. Games ARE supposed to be for kids.. BUT What kids can afford to buy a game ever 6 weeks at £40 “THIS IS A STUPID PRICE” And the kids have to have these games. And dont even say were paying for the pirates out there.. if the games a cheaper there would be no need to copy games IN THE FIRST PLACE ..RIGHT!
DROP THE FCUKING PRICES ON GAMES TO STOP PIRACY
PS, the original game makers out there only pay 99p per original disc what a huge profit on duplicating there own software. To get this MUCH profit should be against the Law too.
FACT PIRACY WONT STOP UNTIL PRICES COME DOWN TO ROCK BOTTOM PRICES.
After all who would want a copy then? to save say 20p when you could have the original.
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Then games I usually play are certainly not for kids they are firmly adult rated.
I want to point out that the reason they raised the prices is because of gamers… They offered special addition game packages for the Xbox for 10$ more than original version to test the market and see if people would pay more for games. Guess what… they did. This is a fact. MS sales department didn’t even try to keep it a secret, they came right out and said it before they launched the 360 when they were announcing the game prices. Word of warning, they are doing it again with these new 10$ more special additions and so is Sony. So the lesson here is DO NOT BUY SPECIAL ADDITIONS if you don’t want game prices to go up that is.
Price is a really poor excuse for piracy. You can easily buy used games within just a few weeks of release for $10-20 less than the original price. And there are plenty of games on XBLA and PSN to play, if you can’t or don’t want to pay $40 or more for a game. There are even plenty of top-tier 360 games that can be downloaded for $20-30.
So don’t give that sorry excuse of games costing too much. Not all games cost $60. If you can’t afford to play those ones, there are still many others to play without resorting to stealing.
Really, it isn’t. Why do you think the gaming industry has surpassed the music and movie industry when it comes to sales revenue?
Because they are skinning people, and people accept it mindlessly. In my country, for instance, the normal price of a music cd is $25, a dvd movie about $40 and a game is a bit over $100 (mind you, these are the prices for brand new stuff; it usually drops a bit). But isn’t that ridiculous? And what if the music, movie or game is crap? Total waste, really. I don’t know the exact numbers, but I am quite sure that the average production cost pr. cd/dvd/game is QUITE a bit lower…
Another funny thing: Two recent surveys show that the ones that download the most pirated music are also the ones that buy the most legal music. Something for people to ponder…
And to be frank, anyone who says “pirating is stealing” has got shit for brains. It’s is definitely not stealing; its something else – something illegal. But to say the two are the same is just wrong – I know the music/movie industry has campaigns that try to brand pirating as stealing, but it is not; no matter how you look at it.
Another interesting fact… Since the internet and piracy has started in the music industry there have been studies on there profits. Since the surge in piracy there profits have actually gone up. 20%. Why? hmm something to ponder
I’m agree with it pirating is not stealing, Microsoft doesn’t f*cking care if you are rich or poor they want you buy games at the full price and you know there are so many games which are so stupid and that shit starts from $30 or more for a simple DVD which you can accidently scatch and kill you game because it will not work. So this is bullsh*t, not only flashed consoles are banned but also the not modded. I saw that in some forums. So f*ck Microsoft deep in their as**oles.
for all those who said XBOX 360 is crap..well boohoo to you as*hol*s..to be frank not all people who owned the PS3 and 360 are rich enough to afford 50$ game..so why hate piracy?blame it on china for they are the ones who started it..in most poor countries,piracy is a big miracle for those who want to experience gaming without paying loads of money which is already a living for their family..imagine a 50$ game could be used for their food,transportation,clothes,bills etc..and yes most gamers are children..do you think all children in the world has parents as rich as bill gates??f*ckin* as*hol*s!!M$ should think of that matter too..people are wasting their money buying console and had it modded after it will be banned..
Well if you put it like that, if they are that poor, then they not mind to be banned just because they cant afford Xbox Live Gold account neither, and they can still play burn games, so everybody wins.
2 corrections. Piracy did not start in china. Give me proof that it did if you want me to believe that. 2nd correction recent studies show that the majority of gamers are between 18-28 years old. Seems to coincide with the gaming boom time-frame huh? Please fact check before you introduce your assumptions as fact.
Ok lets start again here, I do not hate piracy for SINGLE PLAYER GAMES!
As for xbox 360, paying to play on LIVE and my internet connection… F”"K THAT!
Also with the 360, shitty controller, shitty look, shitty way of putting it together which makes it shitty all together.
If you pirate something, and get banned, stop crying about it because if you can’t afford to buy games BRAND F”"”KING NEW TRY BUYING SOMETHING USED FOR ONCE! And maybe stop pirating games!
In my town we have a thing called http://www.usedvictoria.com where we can find almost anything and everything for at least half the price! Aswell as http://www.craigslist.com and http://www.kijiji.com
Stop all your guys’ crying and bit’ching and save yourself the time of all this madness, and play what you got, and if you care to risk to use piracy for your games, don’t play online if you do not want to risk banning your xbox 360.
Playstation 3 is obviously a better platform as it is easier to use, slicker looks, and doesn’t fail half as much as xbox 360 does. Plus the controller forms to your hands!
So keep all your lame comments to yourself because no one wants to hear it anymore!
Who is crying because he/she were banned?
well before everybody starts the console war i am a huge fan of xbox i se to be til sony started talking shit most dominate and how they arent a computer n shit and turns out they made 1 and biting every other consoles style to get fam but n e ways i think its fucked up you cant play xbox live with burnt games i mean shit we are paying to play right??so we basically bought it its our money we are using to play same thing with playstation nobody is modding etc with it because well it sucks plan and simple but to narrow it all down just go on youtube watch xboxvsps3 console wars and they will show you which is the best there are 12 rounds and i saw 7 so far and sony is only up by 1 but they even said xbox controller was better looking than the playstation do to safety features well basically you cant break the ps3 controller if you dont know how to handle it but shit i was going to mod my xbox but now im just like fuck it is it worth it??idk its probably just a big rumo etc undercover xbox agents trying to scare people well they scared me but i have 2 xboxs so shit ima mod that 1 but dont get me wrong i like the ps3 the graphics and everything is awesome online and everything is fun so dont attack me ps fan boys but xbox…….XBOX is better fuck you haters
Well I think you just started the console war right there, lol
I don’t think any of you have even a semblance of an idea of what you are talking about. If you download a pirated game or track, or whatever, you have literally robbed the generating parties of the price they are asking for it. Why do you think you have a right to what they have created? Radiohead did indeed allow people to download their album and pay what they thought was right, but that was their prerogative. If there is a game you want, and you want to be legit and honest, you basically have two options…either don’t buy it, or get a job.
Pirating is at best dishonest and at worst outright stealing…whether you like it or not.
So, instead of making up little axioms that ease you conscience, like: “Software piracy deals in duplicates, and hence it can’t be stealing,” try exploring other viewpoints. If WTF had taken the time to think through his argument, he may have realized that while pirating does deal in duplicates, that is not what is being stolen. What is being stolen is profit; the money someone is legally entitled to for your use of their product…and that is theft. Whether or not they would have bought it had pirated copies been available does not matter, they have taken something illegally and have not paid the price to have it.
I loved this little inane comment: “Another funny thing: Two recent surveys show that the ones that download the most pirated music are also the ones that buy the most legal music. Something for people to ponder…” That’s like saying that if I steal a hundred candy bars, I haven’t really stolen them if I buy a hundred more. Or, if I steal three cars, I really haven’t stolen them if I have bought three others.
Perhaps some of you should spend a little less time pontificating (look it up) online and a little more time reading and thinking. In the world that you envision, where everything is “democratic” which I suspect is a another word for “free”, who would produce anything. Why would crappy bands like Metallica spend the time to release something if everyone was going to have at it without any promise of compensation.
Oh, and for Puppy Wehtam: Have you ever considered that there are a lot of people who spend 60$ on a game (because they are honest) and don’t hack or mod (because they are honest), but then a lot of rakes, (look it up) like you, hack and mod to the point that that sixty dollars begins to seem more and more like a waste? You talk about being “nice gamers”; but so many little hackers like you mod and hack, and have no problem with it because it gives you an advantage regardless of how it effects someone else. You doubtlessly could care less about being a “nice gamer” if this thought has never entered your more than vacant brain. I mean, there seems to be plenty of space in there, how about you try to squeeze in a little thought. You could start with the realization that other people exist outside of you.
So, I am sure you will all just keep doing what you are doing, convinced that you have it all figured out, and armed with the rationalization that makes you feel okay about it…but here’s what I want you to consider. It is the honest that make it possible for the dishonest to do what they do. Musicians, video game developers and the like would not produce what you are pirating for those who pay for it. If there were not people paying for it, they would not be making it, and you could not pirate it.
So, being one who buys his music and games….you are all welcome (and thieves).
Random sample’s on this ban btw you can go days or months with out getting your mod xbox360 banned, do the math, xbox 360 arcade is $189.99 online free shipping no tax, 3 xbox 360 games is equal to that price. I’ve had one console banned, sold it on ebay 150$ as is HAHAHA. Second hacked console has been up over 6 months, and I’ve burned well over 30 games for it that work online. Can’t see how microsoft is winning this battle at all?
“Carl Nelson
January 14, 2010 at 10:46 pm | Permalink| Reply
Price is a really poor excuse for piracy. You can easily buy used games within just a few weeks of release for $10-20 less than the original price. And there are plenty of games on XBLA and PSN to play, if you can’t or don’t want to pay $40 or more for a game. There are even plenty of top-tier 360 games that can be downloaded for $20-30.
So don’t give that sorry excuse of games costing too much. Not all games cost $60. If you can’t afford to play those ones, there are still many others to play without resorting to stealing.”
Carl likes going to work all week to give a multi billion dollar corp 1/10 of his weekly pay I guess, whatever makes you feel good, and if this is stealing then stealing feels right.
I’ve seen articles where the biggest software and video game flops still made 300-400% profit after cost to produce was deducted. A DVD cost around 6 cents America to develop and 95% of the games are produced on graphics engines that already exist. So they are produced for cents on the dollar then sold to consumers for standard price at release… $60.
So you buy a game that takes you a evening to beat, and everyone agrees it was horrible, it still cost you $60 at release. Now why would someone want to blow $60 on a piece of shit game, when they could just download it and burn it for 1/100th the cost?
Don’t say morals, because your insane if you think piracy is wrong, When people are split down the middle on the subject. Piracy is karma if anything.
It probably comes down to this; I don’t buy very many games. You are probably right about there being a lot of greed in the industry (although even if you use the same engine, you still have a lot of overhead to cover, i.e. programmer salary, etc.), If you want to bring down costs the best way is to stop buying all the crappy little games you can beat in a night. If people stop spending every little penny they earn on video games…and buy, say, one or two games a year, it will force them to lower costs. It is simple mathematics.
But, it’s still true that the only reason you can download pirated games is because someone else is paying for them, and that’s dishonest. Don’t get me wrong…I don’t think you have committed some kind of travesty that will cause the downfall of civilization, pirating is way down on the list for me, but you still can’t call it honest. It simply is not.
Hey JRADS, i have spent time contemplating that viewpoint – piracy is stealing due to loss of expected profit – but the problem is, that this “expected profit” can never be calculated. A lot of pirates wouldn’t have bought the game either way, which this viewpoint don’t take into consideration. So I agree that pirating is in fact stealing (of profit) in situations where the users surely and definitely would have bought the product if that was the only alternative – but I seriously doubt that large parts of this segment would actually do that, even if they had no other ways of accessing the product. Some people only got an xbox in the first place to mod it and play pirated games, and if that wasn’t an option, they wouldn’t have got the machine in the first place.
And when you commented on my comment regarding the 2 surveys, I think you misunderstood. My purpose was not to justify piracy by saying these people also spend a lot of money, it was to clarify that certain parties – high-end users, cultural elite or what you might like to call them – have a completely different approach. They like to fully know what they will be getting BEFORE buying – which I don’t conceive as a negative. It’s another challenge for “the industry”, but nevertheless one they ought to take very seriously. In other words: The surveys don’t show patterns for pirates’ habits, but rather patterns for evolved consumer habits.
“Why would crappy bands like Metallica spend the time to release something if everyone was going to have at it without any promise of compensation.” – my point exactly:-) The music industry would be a lot less focused on profit, and more focused on art. History shows that art is a human trait – a desire if you will – that needs to come to expression one way or the other. Some people – maybe even more so in the “art-sector” – are actually driven by other interests than pure profit, and I commend that. For people with talent, there will always be a way of making a living – it was like that 2000 years ago, so why would that change in this day and age where people have more money to spend than ever before?
And when you say that pirating results in other people paying the price you really haven’t thought it through. You seem intelligent, and truly simple logic might lead to this very direct conclusion, but how can you be sure? How do you know if “the industry” calculates their “expected loses” into the price of each and every product? And furthermore, how would they be able to calculate such an “expected loss” in the first place?
Anyways, it’s nice with some discussions on this. Lots of people don’t give a rat’s ass, but I see this as one of the focal points for the 21. century. A mastodon of an industry claiming to own art and culture and insisting on using very conservative traditional market-oriented business models. They spend more and more on advertising/record pushing, but the music/movies/games (with some notable exceptions) keep dropping in quality while the prices go up at the same time. And the inherent insisting on branding certain consumer elements as thieves and whatnot instead of trying to adopt to the 21st century way of doing business. Interesting indeed.
Hmm on second thought, I am not sure I read your comment correctly (and thus commented wrongly).
“But, it’s still true that the only reason you can download pirated games is because someone else is paying for them, and that’s dishonest.”
I now believe that what is meant is that the game only exists in the first place because there was someone there to buy it. Which is probably be true. But I don’t see how it is dishonest, though. I mean, I think a statement like “I pirate games, but I would buy them if the price was half of what it is now” is very honest, whereas the industry’s reply to notions like this is truly dishonest (“We won’t be able to make a living if prices are lower”).
And btw, piracy would be honest if pirates were free from prosecution:-)
Hey WTF, I really probably should apologize for calling you inane…you seem to put a lot more thought into your commentary than I originally gave you credit for. You do have some very valid points, specifically that rather than banging their heads against the wall of the changing economic culture (internet downloads, etc) that companies should adapt, and find more progressive ways to distribute digital media. The overhead that media companies face in generating CDs, DVDs, and video games (aside from the cost of creative production) is very little, and it is absolutely true that media giants such as Microsoft, Sony, Virgin and the like charge far more than they need to in order to turn a profit.
As to your comment on piracy becoming legal…if it was legal it wouldn’t be piracy which is literally defined as the illegal confiscation of material. Copyright laws have a long track record in American and Western culture and have been sited as a vital part of the social compact…I don’t know if that is true or not. But one thing that is happening that is really interesting is the Gutenberg Project, where books which have no legitimate copyright are being transcribed to the web and to wireless downloading devices by volunteers free of charge. Besides this there have always been various organizations who (like Radiohead) have subsisted through personal “donations” or a subjective charging system. I don’t know if we could get such a system to work in a broader sense…but it would be cool if we could.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that we are butting up against two solid facts.
First is that along with the many positive aspects of capitalism, it also has a number of degenerative effects. Namely, it is a system that encourages greed, and very often dishonesty both in the producer and in the consumer. This results in higher prices than is needed and piracy…and then the animosity that exists between both those parties.
Second is that the relationship between the producer and the consumer boils down to personal choice. Producers could decide to lower costs…but they choose not to. Consumers could decide not to pirate music or games…but they choose not to. I am not saying that anyone will go to hell for pirating digital media. In my book of wrongs, the “piracy” of DVDs, music and games is pretty far down on the list. It is difficult to really find the line between ripping a friends CD and outright theft. But, all I am saying is that if piracy were to run rampant (much more than it is now)…it could collapse the entire media industry, so it is important to be honest with ourselves and with others about what it is we are doing, even if it does seem small and petty.
And sometimes I like to play devil’s advocate.
games r too expensive lower the damn prices Microsoft and Sony!!
I tend to be anti-piracy myself, but people advocating piracy don’t bother me for the following reasons:
- There are some people who pirate things as a trial and delete them if they’re crap and buy them if they’re good. While illegal, I don’t think that’s such a bad thing, especially when the final product can cost so much.
- Availability, some games are either not released in a region or are heavily censored. Usually a person can import, but if a game is rarer sometimes it can cost several hundred dollars (particularly older games). I have the money to look for the originals if I’m that interested, but many people do not, and if the game isn’t available at an affordable price, it really isn’t too cool to expect the average person to fork out a small fortune.
If a game is affordable and a person decides it’s a keeper, then I think they should pay for it, but unfortunately there’s no way of easily enforcing something like that.
who cares about the games EVERYONE ive played against has done something they shouldent have like nuke boosting lag switching modded controllers i actually WANT to sell my xbox for a ps3 atleast then theres less annoying trash talking 8 year olds
If i download a game onto my xbox and play single player will i still get banned or is it only when you play online
I bought my buds xbox 360 elite, and he had an online for a year on it. can i still use that to get online or do i need to buy a new subscription?
or how can you tell how many months he had left on it? i’m mkeing sure he didn’t screw me , but i don’t want to signed on and be screwed..?
New firmware is out for those who haven’t been banned or flagged for banning.
Lets get this straight playing burnt games is not piracy, there is nothing swashbuckling about burnt games.
WTF?, you should look at the definition of stealing from the New Oxford American Dictionary – take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
another persons property is the game you pirate, you steal it from the distributer/supplier/developer as you are not buying it from them, and by not purchasing it legally you do not have permission to be in possession or play that software. So you pirates are stealing, not so much the disk but the software on it.
I agree to the extend that the original game in it’s box is another person’s (or corporation’s) property, but the duplicate made from the original game does not in any way affect the original game. It is still in that person’s possession. Hence, it cannot be stealing… And following the second leg of your definition, what if I intend to return my duplicate when I am done with it – then I didn’t commit a criminal act, or what?
Now I am not saying it is legal (nor completely morally viable), I am just saying it is not stealing under these circumstances.
To comment on JRADS comment, I do know that a musical business like the one we know wouldn’t be able to survive if piracy was completely legal. I have two comments on that: I think if the media industry lowered their prices severely, the moral sentiment for piracy would be completely washed away. And the second thing is, I wouldn’t really mind if the media industry collapsed and had to build up anew, but on a completely different, more open, fair and democratic way.
Seriously, there is too many $ going into this stuff. A movie like Avatar, for instance. Yes, great effects, but 50 of the world’s all-time top 100 films could have been made on that budget. Do we really need it? Would they really spend all that $ on things like that if they didn’t know they could incite a mass-hysteria, leading to massive profits? Even the censorship – the way they cut out the damn silly sex scene – to make the movie watchable for a wider audience and thus generating a larger income? Is that really a business worth supporting?
Ok I just bought a flashed xbox 360. I dont understand what that means though? I dont plan on buying moded games becuase I Have all the games I need but Im worried about getting banned. Will you be able to be detected by a modded game or you playing the xbox? As long as im playing legit games im ok right? I got the RROD so this was my last resort a cheap modded xbox.
Nope – it’s not the games that get you banned, it’s the mod/firmware. You can get banned even though you only ever had original retail games in the drive.
If you have a firmware-modded xbox and you are lucky, you can upgrade your firmware to ixtreme LT and connect to Live without any risks; but your xbox might already be flagged for banning, and then it wont matter whether or not you upgrade your firmware.
These games dont come out of thin air alot of people spend months at a time makeing them.Someone has to pay them for what the create if they dont get paid you cant play shit you wouldn’t have no modern warfare ect..
Wtf says it all for me
listen to this guy he knows …….. can i hear an amen for wtf
–> Brian Murphy. True. That’s why I buy quality games like everything Bethesda has to do with, Bioware games, Borderlands, MW1 (not MW2) and the likes when they are reasonably priced. I agree that great games needs supporting – but I don’t let them bleed me dry and pay full retail price. I wait 2-3 months for the prices to drop. To be honest, no game is really worth $125 (yes, that is the standard retail price for brand new games in my country), and no matter what anyone says, I can’t be made to believe that it is a fair price.
What originally set me off was the article “mildly” suggesting that pirating is a nuisance to regular gamers, which I fail to understand. I do think that there are some great games out there which people invested a lot of hours in making, and I do believe that they deserve to get paid. I would just love to see what every cent went to, as I believe quite a bit ends up with distributors and marketing people – the likes I don’t feel a need to support.
The entry price of $125 and the way the prices on all games drop following the same trajectory indicates that someone somewhere is knowingly setting the prices too high because they know they can push it some of those fools, that feel inclined to buy everything brand new, no matter what the costs are. Which is a pain in the ass for sensible consumers, as we have to wait months for the prices to drop to a level that actually matches the product’s use-value.
So I see piracy as a revolutionary act, and not solely as a self-centered act of personal gain. Someone has to challenge “the industry”, and it surely wont be the regular consumers. People are willing to pay anything for 20 hours of entertainment (or how long a videogame may last), and “the industry” in it’s current form rely and capitalize on that.
@WTF? love how you like to prove everybody wrong… thats how i am. everything you said is true. so i’m not going to fight you on that.
who cares which console is better its not like if you say the ps3 is better that i’ll switch and hate xbox! calm down people, it’s just a gaming system!!!
i do however agree that if we paid for a gold membership we shouldn’t be banned cause technically we did buy it in some ways.. well i don’t use pirated games cause i was afraid to mod my xbox and get banned :P
Can you get banned for just acheivement mods? God I hope not.
Anytime you take someones ‘art’ and copy it.. youre stealing. Stop trying to justify cheating on any level. This is why things are going downhill in this world..’certain levels of corruption are tolerated’. You cannot rationalize it away. Its wrong, period.