Logitech vs. Microsoft: Who Makes the BEST Wireless Mouse?

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http://www.hardcoreware.net/image.php?src=1137&ts=1045911175 (http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-125-1.htm)

By now I'm sure you've heard that the Logitech MX700 is "the best wireless mouse for gaming EVER" from more than a few people. With excellent tracking capability, and a recharging base this would be hard to deny.

However, Microsoft is stepping in with a new contender, using Bluetooth for connectivity. Does the Microsoft mouse benefit from the increased bandwidth available from Bluetooth? If so, it definitely has a chance to dethrone the MX700...

Find out if it is successful! (http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-125-1.htm)

[NOVA5]

I like my MX700

*goes to read the review anyway now*

[DarKcyde]

What did u you to show the refresh rates of the mice in those screenies??

The reason I ask is my bro and I just picked up a couple MX700's, and my bro's been using his in UT2 (i'm recovering from a IBM deathstar crash, no UT wub for me). He says he read somewhere that the MX700 dynamically adjusts its refresh rate to conserve batteries, and since he read that, he claims he can feel it in-game. I think he's full of it, but whatever you used there could settle the issue...

-DarKcyde out.

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He's full of it.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by DarKcyde
What did u you to show the refresh rates of the mice in those screenies??

The reason I ask is my bro and I just picked up a couple MX700's, and my bro's been using his in UT2 (i'm recovering from a IBM deathstar crash, no UT wub for me). He says he read somewhere that the MX700 dynamically adjusts its refresh rate to conserve batteries, and since he read that, he claims he can feel it in-game. I think he's full of it, but whatever you used there could settle the issue...

-DarKcyde out.

I used Mouserate.

The MX700 does not adjust the refresh rate, nor does the MS mouse. They power down when they're not in use. I'm sure that the BT mouse does this but I'm not sure for the MX700. There's really no reason for the MX700 to even try to conserve power since it is rechargable.

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The MX700 also powers down.

[Ronin]

Either way...it's not going to change the refresh.

Here's the link for mouserate: http://www.bluesnews.com/files/misc/mouserate.shtml

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Which is why I said his brother is full of it :)

[Unregistered]

Sweet. thanx guys!

response in 9 minutes... service is fast too! :)

/me runs home to prove I'm always right.

kaheehee

-Darkcyde out.

[bass_machine]

I got my MX700 mouse just as it came to Costco! I hadn't seen it anywhere else, and when it came out at other stores, it was $40 more! :devil: The mouse is incredible... and to be honest, I have had a classic Logitech 3 button mouse until a few months ago, and never before had I used a cordless mouse... I simply trusted the name, and once I saw it was rechargable... I couldn't walk away from it without picking it up at the store. Highly recommended! :righton:

[Kidkameleon3]

I got a logitech cordless, I wish it was rechargable.Although I have never had to change the batteries adn it has been running for some time now.

[NOVA5]

the MX700 as 2-3 power down modes

the first one is a dim light, which it can still see by and not have to "wake up" this lasts for about 5 seconds. long enough for you to pause your hand and move it again.

after those 5 seconds it enters the second mode, in which it begins to rapidly flash the light in doing so reducing power useage even further (guessing around 50%)

as it is rechargeable it may remain in this state until its moved for is drained.

[Ronin]

Hmmm...I actually did notice those modes but I didn't know why. The damn thing flashes like a mofo when not in use.

[Oxygen]

I love Logitech mice, i have one of the original Ergo optical mice that they made, the one that has the brite blue LED in the back. Worth every penny.

[UnKnown Warrior]

I still like my Logitech Dual Optical. Not too flat, not too heavy, not too light, excellent design :)

[Mr Sinister]

My last Logitech wireless / Optical chewed batteries like no tommorrow and was aweful for gaming. Although a rechargeable base is a nice feature, I think I will stay with my Microsoft optical / wired.

[bass_machine]

Originally posted by Mr Sinister
My last Logitech wireless / Optical chewed batteries like no tommorrow and was aweful for gaming. Although a rechargeable base is a nice feature, I think I will stay with my Microsoft optical / wired.

Although this MX700 does eat up batteries... every three to five days when the battery low light flashes, I put it in the recharge cradle before I go to bed. And even while it's warning me that the batteries are low, the mouse still works for hours after . So this mouse does offer great battery performance in comparison to the older ones in many ways.

[Ronin]

Yep. It doesn't matter if it eats batteries since...they're rechargable.

[Georules]

I have the first MS wireless mouse. Would it be worth it to upgrade to a new wireless Logitech or MS bluetooth?

[Ronin]

If you want Bluetooth connectivity (something that will come in handy in the months to come...because most new cell phones and lots of peripherals will be using it), get the BT mouse.

Otherwise, get the MX700...which I think is better for gaming and overall.

[Unregistered]

I picked up the bluetooth wireless keyboard and mouse on Saturday. I've played about 30 minutes of quake 3 with 1 or 2 spin outs with the mouse. This is my first time using an optical mouse, and wireless for that matter. The wireless keyboard is flawless, but I'm still uncertain with the mouse though. For everything else so far, productivity wise, it's great. I'll keep it for two weeks and make my return decision then.

Jk

[Ronin]

Hmmm...I'm surprised you're not incredibly happy considering this is your first optical mouse....

[sanity1a]

gotta remember, a new quality ball mouse is just as good as an optical

[Unregistered]

This Logitech is flawless! Thanks for the heads-up Ronin!
K1

[Unregistered]

BTW, that's KZINTI1!!!

[Equinediver]

LOL......where there's a will there's a way, eh KZ? :)

I have had the bluetooth keyboard and mouse for a couple of months, well did have, just not gotten around to putting it back on this system.

For me, I am not impressed. Batteries run dead on mouse every 2 weeks or so and worse still found I still need both a mouse & keyboard to be able to boot as it is all USB - or am I doing something wrong?

Also for no rhyme or reason it would sometimes not "see" the mouse or keyboard............all in all I found MS bluetooth a pain in the perverbable.........

[Ronin]

That is very strange.

Keep in mind I only have the mouse and I used a Logitech wireless desktop keyboard during testing.

Battery life was fine for me. 2 weeks...you're using crappy batteries or something because it should last at least a month. Of course you have to replace batteries with all wireless mice.

Hmmm...I really can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work. I'll have to get the keyboard and look at it myself.

[Equinediver]

Used Duracell batteries.........at the time I was playing alot of cribbage on the zone, so maybe just used it rather alot!

I am going to spend this week trying to get this thing working right, so all being well I will put them both back on and see if anything improves.

[Unregistered]

Well the bluetooth didn't last long for me. I returned it tonight. Too many spin outs during 1v1 with quake 3, and somewhat choppy when I'd rotate around, kinda like leaving g_synchronousclients on.
I purchased the mx700, I'm really sold on the rechargeable feature, and other sites gave it a good review for quakin'. Then I bought a logitech wireless access keyboard. I'm much happier with my final decision, and 50.00 richer...now I need a wireless controller for the xbox. :)

John

[Ronin]

John, register so we can hear back from you and so you can post in the other sections of our forum. :righton:

Yes, the MX700 is definetly a better gaming mouse but I liked the MS Bluetooth one nonetheless.

[Georules]

bluetooth can bite my ass ;)

[XSF]

That's it, I can't wait any longer for this Mx700, it got great reviews, and I'm gonan buy it Friday!!!

[chuddy117]

Hi, pardon me for sounding stupid, I know almost nothing about computers. I recently bought a VPR Matrix 9100, 3.06 mhz, 200 gig hard drive, etc. Its got an Nvidia geforce Ti 4200 128 mb graphics card in it. I have my computer in my room and my 27" Sony flat screen tv in the living room, probably 20 feet away. I'd like to play my games on the television, so I thought the Microsoft Bluetooth was the way to go. I bought the keyboard/mouse combo and hooked it up. It hooked up just fine and started out working kinda sluggish. It was real choppy when playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein. After awhile, it would even out and work great, then it started gettin choppy and the mouse cursor would actually move by itself! So, i returned it and got another bluetooth. Worked fine at first then started gettin laggy. I hear a lot about this Logitech mx700. Is this bluetooth or does this have the range that the microsoft bluetooth keyboard/mouse has? Thats what i'm lookin for, a high quality mouse/keyboard with bluetooth range. Thanks a lot!

Chad

[vic]

i have a microsoft explorer 3.0 and a mx700. I Denmark we have a place where u can check the price and get a contact to the dealers. On this side u also can see what the opinion is from the buyers.

The wireless mouse from microsoft (bluetoot) have 1 (one) comments and get 3 stars out of 5, but there are 21 pages with about 7-8 comments, for the mx700 and it get 5 stars from 88% of the buyers. Did it say something to u?

http://www.edbpriser.dk/hardware.asp (Not sure if u can read danish)

vic

[CamelKnight]

I've got an MX700 aswell and equally noticed a small lag. I indeed had my transceiver close to my CRT monitor for a few weeks.
I recently moved to a new home though and since I read in the manual for the mouse, that you should keep the transceive a little away from other electrical machinery, I placed it about 20cm from my CRT.
it works perfectly now! no more small glitches, only perfect frags :P

BTW, the mouse does indeed power down. quite noticably when you fire up the computer and need to login on XP. my mouse hesitates for a split second when I move to the correct user.
I do however believe, that the powerdown time is quite high before it activates (couple of minutes) so there's no real frustration there.
my old optical rechargable mouse (a Neolec something-sometype) powered down after 30 seconds or so.

the MX700 is an expensive mouse IMO, but it does quite well do the job I need it to do, with a nice, exclusive look :)

CK

[C_deck]

it looks like they have come a long way if the mx700 doesn't have any lag. i have carpal and i don't want it coming back dragging a heavy mouse. is the mx700 hard to drag?

[jenious]

I find it to be a little bulky myself, much prefer the Cordless Elite from Logitech, find it's easier to operate

[C_deck]

thx jenious

[Unregistered]

i recently sold my MX duo i found that the board will lag from any distance away from the receiver, i noticed that if i would typ fast enough i could beat the keys on the screen the lag was never more then hal a second.

I am looking at getting a elite (wired) board and a bluetooth mouse, i didnt find the MX700 fiteed my hand very well.

anyone know how long hte bluetooth would last with Energizer recharchibles?

thanks

[rockos]

I got my MX700 a week ago it is awesome. has to be one of the best out there.

rockos

[Ronin]

If you're going to get a mouse now, I'd hold off for a little while as Microsoft and Logitech are preparing to launch new product lines.

[Winged Poop]

you are telling me they can actually improve on the mx700? :p

well i need a new keyboard and mouse and right now that mx duo thing looks nice and hopefully by xmas their new products will come out and make the current line cheaper.

[Technomage]

I just got a MX duo, the keyboard is fucking awesome, I haven't tried the mouse for gaming yet, I dunno if I like the two thumb buttons yet. I haven't noticed any lag when typing.

edit: oh, and the range for my keyboard with fresh batteries is about 20 feet

[Stealthy_C]

I just got the Blue Tooth mouse, before i even saw this thread or review. I really liked the feel of the mouse. But seems a Bit laggy in games, and i Really hate how the mouse shuts off after a few mins of not being used, maybe its like 45 secs or something. Any way to up the Refresh Rate on the mouse and to keep it from shutting off?

Thanx
Chhris

*Edit* In the time it took me to write that, my mouse shut off.... :-(

[bass_machine]

I just got the Blue Tooth mouse, before i even saw this thread or review. I really liked the feel of the mouse. But seems a Bit laggy in games, and i Really hate how the mouse shuts off after a few mins of not being used, maybe its like 45 secs or something. Any way to up the Refresh Rate on the mouse and to keep it from shutting off?

Thanx
Chhris

*Edit* In the time it took me to write that, my mouse shut off.... :-(Shoulda went with the Logitech... :stupid: My MX700 has no lag whatsoever :D

[Unregistered]

Shoulda went with the Logitech... :stupid: My MX700 has no lag whatsoever :D


Acctually im Thinking about it. But i love the Blue Tooth key board :D I dont know ill have to give the Logitech a try out, the mouse didnt seem big enough for my hand. Thats why i switch to the blue tooth cause my Orgignal Intelimouse Explorer was getting to small and my hand would cramp up...

[bass_machine]

Acctually im Thinking about it. But i love the Blue Tooth key board :D I dont know ill have to give the Logitech a try out, the mouse didnt seem big enough for my hand. Thats why i switch to the blue tooth cause my Orgignal Intelimouse Explorer was getting to small and my hand would cramp up...
Ya'know... I gotta agree with you on that one... if the mouse was a bit bigger, it would be perfect... but the control is what really counts :righton:

[Stealthy_C]

Ya'know... I gotta agree with you on that one... if the mouse was a bit bigger, it would be perfect... but the control is what really counts :righton:


Well i went out tonight and took back the BlueTooth. And decided to pick up the Logitech mouse, and keyboard. So far i must say i really like it, its alot better then the BT. Best part is i got the whole key board and mouse package for $36 bucks. Yep you heard right $36 bucks, from orig. $99 bucks. You ask how, Well Best Buy Mis Marked the Box and had it as a open item for $36 bucks, and had written on it No mouse. Well it was cheaper to buy this Keyboard and no mouse and then buy the mouse by its self, so i did. Paid for my mouse and my Keyboard (that supposidly had no mouse in the set) Well Get Home and Whats THIS a MOUSE, a Brand new mouse is in my BOX, so now i have 2 mice and a keyboard, well of course i returned the mouse i bought (un-opened) and Bam a Brand new Set for 36 bucks. What a Deal :) :) :)

[Stealthy_C]

Oh one more question, on the Logitech mouse properties it says that it shows the Battery life on the tool bar on the right (well should show it) but mine dosent show it, and i have it checked. Is there supposed to be a lil battery telling me how much life i have left?


Chris

[bass_machine]

Seems like you didn't install the software... :eh: or did you?

BTW its stupid... really it only tells you when you're gonna have to charge the mouse... so it won't give you an exact rating of the batt... that kinda disapppointed me :( The software offers more options... that's about it.

Why not register to the forums? :)

[Stealthy_C]

Seems like you didn't install the software... :eh: or did you?

BTW its stupid... really it only tells you when you're gonna have to charge the mouse... so it won't give you an exact rating of the batt... that kinda disapppointed me :( The software offers more options... that's about it.

Why not register to the forums? :)


haha just regestered after posting that message.

But yea i did install the software, and the box is check to have it show in the tray, but i guesss its not showin. hmm...

[PakFu^]

just bought the cordless keyboard mouse duo last week...they both work wonderful.... (got the duo on special for 99$ canadian at futureshop...thats like 65$ US for both!)


i have no problems with the MX700 at all....except for the stock rechargable batteries. they die after about a day and a half. to rectify that i just put in an another pair of high end rechargable batteries that last me easily about 1.5 - 2 weeks.

the keyboard has great range also and the mouse is extremely accurate when playing counterstrike...


two thumbs up.

Pak

[bass_machine]

Well really, the cordless "Fast RF" technology... sucks alot of juice... so the batteries will die pretty quickly... I recently put a nice set of batts that I use in my digital cam... but be careful that you put batt's within 1500 and 1900 mAh... otherwise you could damage the mouse when charging... :righton:

just bought the cordless keyboard mouse duo last week...they both work wonderful.... (got the duo on special for 99$ canadian at futureshop...thats like 65$ US for both!)


i have no problems with the MX700 at all....except for the stock rechargable batteries. they die after about a day and a half. to rectify that i just put in an another pair of high end rechargable batteries that last me easily about 1.5 - 2 weeks.

the keyboard has great range also and the mouse is extremely accurate when playing counterstrike...


two thumbs up.

Pak

[bass_machine]

haha just regestered after posting that message.

But yea i did install the software, and the box is check to have it show in the tray, but i guesss its not showin. hmm...Well... are you looking in the right area... here's where I see batt levels...

[Stealthy_C]

Well... are you looking in the right area... here's where I see batt levels...

Yea i saw that, but in the screen shot i attahed it says on the right, Taskbar Icons and i choose battery life, thinking it would should up on the taskbar below.

hmm...

[Unregistered]

What are the new mouse lines from MS and Logitech?

I know Logitech now has (don't know when it will be on shelves) a new wireless MX series mouse, which is based on BlueTooth. The MX900.

What is the new MS mouse?

I just bought the Microsoft BlueTooth mouse tonight, so far I'm impressed with the feel (this is versus my MX500) of the mouse itself, but very unimpressed with the accuracy and jumpiness.

Might try switching mouse pads, but this thing feels like a big piece of crap motion wise.

Maybe MS's next mouse will have a steady refresh rate like the MX700? This thing jumps all over the map.

Think I'll return it to Futureshop tomorrow and stick with my MX500; its too bad though as this Microsoft mouse is ALOT more comfortable for my hand than the MX500 which is why I went out and bought it.

Except, DOD really stinks with this MS mouse; just like the very first MS intellimouse explorer optical; It would jump and spin all the time.

Best mouse for accuracy IMO was my Logitech dual optical!

[Unregistered]

btw, there has to be a way to lock this mouse at 1K rates ... as it spikes several times to 1K; but same as in the review it seems to actually average about 90hz

[Unregistered]

Just got the new Microsoft Wireless RF mouse and its awesome.....so far. It has a new tilt scroll wheel that tilts side to side as well as up and down. Here's the kicker, the package says "most users on average get over six months of usage on one set of AA batteries". If its true this mouse will rock! I tested the mouse using mouserate and got 125Hz using USB and 92Hz using the ps2 connector....SWEEET!, and its way more comfortable in my hand than the MX700. Highly recommended.

[Ronin]

Look for the next mouse comparison very soon. :)

[some_young_guy]

I guess it really is subjective to personal preferance. I have the Logitech MX700 keyboard/mouse Duo, and they work like a dream. But a lot of people forget about the mousepad. When it comes to gaming, it pays to get a decent glide pad.

[bass_machine]

Look for the next mouse comparison very soon. :)
w00t :D I'm curious to see the mx900...

[Nightfox PC]

I use the MX300, sure its corded, at least it won't scamper away and eat my batteries...lol

:D

[Oxygen]

The MX900 looks sweet, i just want a wireless version of my mouse.

[Unregistered]

PS/2 vs. USB:
USB reports at 125 Hz, always*. (That's how fast the frame frequency is for USB Low-speed, 1.5 Mbps)
PS/2 reports at 40-200 Hz, depending on what your OS sets it to. (Win98SE uses 40, WinXP 100 I think). There are utils to set it if you want.

I suggest using USB, since it reports faster than PS/2's default, and handles high CPU-usage situations better: a PS/2 mouse can drop packets under high CPU-usage where a USB connection wouldn't have a problem.

*Note: The USB 1.1 bus has a raw bus speed of 12MHz, but requires all transfers to fit into 1ms quanta, which translates to a 1 KHz maximum report rate for USB Full-speed (12 Mbps). But, no computer mouse runs at USB Full-speed; they all use USB Low-speed (1.5 Mbps) which uses a 1/8th slower clock, which translates to a 125 Hz maximum report rate.

Of course, this doesn't mean that mouserate.exe isn't going to show updates faster than that: If your system is busy, the mouse movements will be stored in a buffer until the system has a chance to issue them to the screen. Also, mouserate's timing precision isn't perfect either. But, that's why moouserate shows you the average.

So, unless someone comes out with a USB Full-speed (12 Mbps) or USB High-speed (480 Mbps) mouse, you can't possibly get a USB mouse to update faster than 125 Hz.

What I find weird is that my brand-new IntelliMouse Explorer 4.0 (wired with Tilt-wheel) only averages 107 Hz over USB. Mouserate shows that it is not sending an update every 3 or 4 USB frames, so it looks like, "62 Hz, 124 Hz, 126 Hz, 125 Hz, 62 Hz, 125 Hz, 125 Hz, 61 Hz,..." I bought 2 of these, and they both do this, tested on 3 different PCs. Strange.

-Richard L. Owens (oe1kenobi at hotmail.com)

[Ryanmw]

wow..too much info...cause basically the mouse isnt much diff in real life when plugged into either usb or ps/2...believe me..ive gamed with both on tons of mouses

[[]*[]Balto[]*[]]

MX-700 is the bomb. I have the mx duo, and I also have the ms desktop elite set which comes with the intellimouse explorer 2.0. For games the mx-700 is soo much better, scroll wheel moves one weapon at a time. The feel of the mx-700 is better too.

Just my two sense, also after being a long time logitech customer and then buying the new MS keyboard + mouse set, I switched back to logitech in one day.

BTW anyone want to buy a almost brand new MS wireless desktop elite set :)

[~|= Kill4Fun]

Aloha kakahiaka,

When the local OfficeMax had Microsoft Basic Optical mouses on sale I got three for myself and told a few friends who also got themselves an optical mouse ... However, I find that in Microsoft Windows XP Pro with this mouse quite often it jumps to the edge of the screen or in games my character is looking at the ceiling or floor and spinning ... in a flight simulator the screen view is spinning while the plane is actually flying straight!

I don't know what the hell is wrong with this system but it sure is f'd-UP!

Don't get me wrong ... I love that I don't have to clean mouse balls ... but if the damn thing can't work I need to let people know this is a hazard ...

[Ryanmw]

I love that I don't have to clean mouse balls.

:Point:

[Technomage]

~|= Kill4Fun: Sometimes I find with opticals in general if there are little bits of lint or crumbs or anything on the mousepad I get spins like that, make sure your mousing surface is clean, what do you use? Cheap fuzzy mousepad, bareback on the desk (lol), harder type of pad, etc.

[Lookd Impresive]

I have gone from updating my Microsoft Intellimouse 2.0a ,To the fancy looking mx duo wireless logitech keyboard mouse,and installing a Colorpower brand ATI radeon 9800pro 128,and keyboard yes is flawless,and mouse feels looks smooth,and has a nice grip,bit heavier than the microsoft but is nice,With all updated drivers catalyst for radeon and the keyboard mouse latest drivers,playing qauke3,i find it resets my brightness when i go into map changes,or thru main screen page browsing,and i get terrible land spikes in game,anyone else had this problem because im back to microsoft mouse and keyboard about to follow with a hard bang..any ideas oh mighty ones!.:))))

[Lookd Impresive]

I have gone from updating my Microsoft Intellimouse 2.0a ,To the fancy looking mx duo wireless logitech keyboard mouse,and installing a Colorpower brand ATI radeon 9800pro 128,and keyboard yes is flawless,and mouse feels looks smooth,and has a nice grip,bit heavier than the microsoft but is nice,With all updated drivers catalyst for radeon and the keyboard mouse latest drivers,playing qauke3,i find it resets my brightness when i go into map changes,or thru main screen page browsing,and i get terrible land spikes in game,anyone else had this problem because im back to microsoft mouse and keyboard about to follow with a hard bang..any ideas oh mighty ones!.:)))) sorry i meant a Powercolor radeon 9800pro 128.thnx guys for any reply even if its abuse hehehe see ya

[MOBORAMCPU]

I'm using Logitech MouseMan Cordless....

[Unregistered]

Does anyone know the refresh rate on the Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse & Explorer Platinum (not the bluetooth mouse, this one: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=002)?
I was considering buying one of these, but I can't seem to find the actual refresh rate anywhere(nope, not even google), though I read somewhere that it was lower than the 127Hz on the MX700 (honestly have no idea on the credibility of this statement).
I don't think I read a review about this mouse in this topic (sorry if there was), so for those who have used it, what are your comments on its performance, and how does it compare to the MX 700?

[Unregistered]

Does anyone know the refresh rate on the Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse & Explorer Platinum (not the bluetooth mouse, this one: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=002)?
I was considering buying one of these, but I can't seem to find the actual refresh rate anywhere(nope, not even google), though I read somewhere that it was lower than the 127Hz on the MX700 (honestly have no idea on the credibility of this statement).
I don't think I read a review about this mouse in this topic (sorry if there was), so for those who have used it, what are your comments on its performance, and how does it compare to the MX 700?


They havent said anything about the new M$ Wireless Intellimouse (Version2). All comments were on original. NOW M$ has revamped to compete with mx700. So the intelli mouse is a new model. I have the platinum. ITs the best I have used yet. My bro got mx700 in a combo kit with keyboard for $99. I have used both. The feel is better on M$ but responce and etc. is identical to mx700. ITs only $50 so great buy. Smooth wheel no clicks works great as long as you use Intellipoint software with it. Or it scrolls to fast for gaming. Its for 2000 and XP only as they use the accuracy enhancments for mice. Version 2 comes with a ps/2 port adaptor so old rigs not left without. As for usb. IT does help. Mousrate on PS port showed max 90. USB 125hz. Diff but wont notice. For rate. The unit uses 6000ppi. It can track 37" of movement in 1 sec. ALL other optical mice use one type of chip for the optics. M$ uses a diff on so NOT rated in DPI like others but PPI.Im writting a review for another site soon so Ill link to it for you then here. (if thats ok that is). Gaming for me has been flawless BF NAM 42, UT 2k4 all great. No interference at 7' even for me. Still reads great on reception-no lag. When I game its about 2-3' from reciever and blcoked by desk. Still geat reception. Its now got 27mhz side band ability so can switch channels if needed. Power consumption like the scan rate has gotten a MAJOR revamping. TI can run on a single cell. M$ showed 10 mice running on ONE batt. in their brochure. So its impresive. It runs about 6 months on set of batts. I say my bro can just keep charging every other day. He runs cad so batt. die on the mx700 very often for him. Will on any mouse. But this at 6 months even though not chargable who cares. I have 0 down time ver and need no backup mouse. You can also use nicads in this unit so useing seperate charger and batts. is even a better idea. Since you can have two sets charged at all times. LOL. They did research on what folks wanted. And the choice of months of useage per set of batts or chargers. 90% choose batts that last over charger. They took that and the lag issues back to the drawing board. Anyone looking for somthing other than the mx700 (also great mouse) should look no further then the Version2 of M$ Wireless intelli mouse. How to know version 1 from 2? Easy! Version 2 the finger indent design extends to the palm to stop the hurt in middle of hand. IT works too! So version, indent finger area on buttons- version 2 indent buttons to palm area. 2 is a whole world apart from 1! Worth every penny of the $50 circuit city wanted. I myself choose M4 Intellimouse wireless 2 for one reason over mx700. The feel. I cant, Ive tried. I cannot find comfort in the shape of logitech's desing. The whole universal left right mouse fit isnt comfy. My hand tires. I must grip the sides. With intelli design ergonomics one can simply hold it loosly as it moves about. Oh and they also moved the batts from back to cneter so its JUST like the mx700 layout on bottem but reversed left to right. Hope that helps some sorting out the diff of the two.

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Forgot to add above that the Version one of Intelli mouse scan rate max was 30hz. A standard mouse on ps/2 port is 40hz seriel 33hz. USB 125hz.

So 1 had 30hz useing mouserate. Version 2? 112hz average with 125hz max. It actually manages to use 100% of usb scanrate at times. Awsome change in scan rates and ultimatly matters most for gamers. Thats version 1= 30hz vs. Version 2 =112hz. Also they changed the standby modes for gaming minded indiviuals. Its senses the "slightest" moevemnt from you and is right on. No hesitation. A world apart the two are.

[mobo]

Dumb question: is Blue Tooth better than RF in term of reception?

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Dumb question: is Blue Tooth better than RF in term of reception?
Me again.....lol.

I can use my Platinum 8' away so reception isnt a issue at any desk. It can change channels if interference AND the blue tooth version of this eats 2 AA's in two weeks or so.Bluetooth is good. Just not the M$ mouse blue tooth version. See it was made BEFORE this one. So some thing swerent changed. Like the power requirements.

[mobo]

Question is why did they go from RF to Blue Tooth? Any advantage(s)?

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Question is why did they go from RF to Blue Tooth? Any advantage(s)?
Actually they went from
RF-Bluetooth-RF again.
Bluetooth LOOOONG distnaces, universal reciever. More for mobility/cosmetics then anything! The Bluetooth is good but the mouse tech M$ used wasnt revamped yet. Next M$ bluetooth mosue will sue the Intellimouse2 guts then it will rock. For now Intellimouse2 kicks all other wirelss M$ mice's but. Cause its newest and reworked over. Why on RF first, not the bluetooth revamped. Cause more have usb and ps/2 ports then those that have bluetooth. THey want massive sales targeted for mainstreem as this remanufacturing cost some $.

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For the tech minded about bandwidth

Also if you hear the arguement that bluetooth has more bandwidth. TO that I say so what. Its a mouse. For other things it matters but not here. Some claimed 27mhz reciever had'nt enuff bandwidth for fast scan rate. Welp Im scanning at 120hz so ya know its a lie right there. Secondly a mouse with usb cant exceed 125hz in real scanrate. Rest is buffer. So lets see
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/MHz.html

Now mouse is 125hz or 125 cycles per second. Now the interface for reciever uses 27,000,000 cycles per second. Thats 27 million HZ!!!! COME ON people. Some of the guys reviewing these mice on the net need to learn that 27megahz is more then enuff. I.E. if it can cary voice over air on a old phone a mouse is not even begining to tax its bandwidth! ROFLMAO.

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The best mouse is Logitech

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The best mouse is Logitech
Cause of the name? Or what? Elaborate. Why is it the best? Back it up. Lest you ment In your "opinion" its the best. ROFLMAO. Having used both I digress. So have you? Can you even compair them?

[jojo82]

microsoft i like the feel

[Frugle]

IMO bluetooth is better because its a lot like wifi, it takes a lot to block the signal.. not true for RF.. .I used to have an RF mouse and if something got in front of it it wouldn't work.

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I would go with Logitech. Reasons:

1. The company specializes in input devices and i believe is more experienced in manufacturing these than any other competitor like M$.Logitech is more narrow-oriented thus letting it dedicate more time to research things like comfort (one of the top qualities of an input device) and all. Or at least i believe so.

2. Logitech manufactures the top-specifications mouse (Logitech's top-of-the-line [for now] mouse features higher numbers in terms of laser DPI (resolution) and PS\2 rate along than Microsoft's top-of-the-line mouse).

3. I've been using Logitech's for a while now and am tending to leen towards them since they have never ever failed on me yet, while i have had a friend whose microsoft navigator started acting weird on him.

[Frugle]

I've always like logitech too..but I had a wireless lagi mouse a couple years ago (when wireless was new) and it died about a year after I got it :(... that was a cool mouse too.

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awww.... ='( *sniffle sniffle* did it have a name?

EDIT: yea i just realized that i hate wireless mice and all. Thus in my case making Logitech a better choice. Since M$ releases bluetooth now and all and its harder to block the signal id deff go with that than ( if i ever was to buy a wireless mouse which i don't see coming for a while from now).

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"(Logitech's top-of-the-line [for now] mouse features higher numbers in terms of laser DPI (resolution) and PS\2 rate along than Microsoft's top-of-the-line mouse)."

Thats a COMPLETE LIE> look up specs first and youll know better. 6000ppi -pixels per inch is MORE then 800dots per inch. By a LOT. The logitech is only 1/8th as good. Do the mathmatics. Scan rates also are = on ps/2 and the USB rates are better then ps/2 and = refresh rates on both mice.

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"(Logitech's top-of-the-line [for now] mouse features higher numbers in terms of laser DPI (resolution) and PS\2 rate along than Microsoft's top-of-the-line mouse)."

Thats a COMPLETE LIE> look up specs first and youll know better. 6000ppi -pixels per inch is MORE then 800dots per inch. By a LOT. The logitech is only 1/8th as good. Do the mathmatics. Scan rates also are = on ps/2 and the USB rates are better then ps/2 and = refresh rates on both mice.

i guess i was high when i saw that 6000 and took it for 600... damn thats a huge difference, are you sure about this?

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No problem. We all make mistakes. Heck I should join here with all this posting! LOL.

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/mswirelessintel/

"Not only does this new IntelliMouse Explorer sport a completely redesigned ergonomic body, it also features Microsoft’s latest generation IntelliEye optical technology, which takes an astonishing 6000 images per second! "

Thats V1 of the mouse not the better one version 2 that I have. But still uses same optical engine the chip was revamped only for better scan rates=less lag. And that was pretty powerfull before even. Tons of other sites saying same thing. And when I bought it, as always cross examind all them on shelf. The others are in dpi. But Circuit City had the shelf clearly labled on these. This said 6000ppi, not 600. At 600 I would have scoffed. At 6k I raised a eye brow. Then 6 month batt. life. Fact it can run one batt. if you dont like the heavier feel. Then the improved scan rate-and comfy feel + smooth scrolling wheel, I was ready to try it.



Here it is from M$ themselves.....long power from 2 batts.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=003

"Our wireless optical mouse products also feature breakthrough power-saving technology that significantly extends battery life. Recent testing has shown Microsoft mouse products to have greater than three times the battery life of a major competitor's. And IntelliPoint software, included with every wireless optical mouse, notifies you when your battery is getting low."






http://www.bit-tech.net/review/284/

"Well, Microsoft are back with their Wireless Intellimouse v2 - does it correct the problems of the previous version, and can it dethrone the Logitech as King of the Mice People?"


"I will come out and say it - this is hands down the most comfy mouse I have ever used. The shape of the mouse body moulds perfectly to your palm and the finger grooves accomodate your digits perfectly. "

"What of accuracy? Well this is the one area Microsoft have made a real improvement. This thing feels just as good as the MX700. Using Mouse Rate Checker the v2 appeared to be refreshing at around 110Hz - slightly lower than the 125Hz measured by the MX700, making it ever so slightly less precise, technically. However, I can tell you this - I am extremely picky about my mice, and am extremely fussy about mousing accuracy for PhotoShop work and gaming. I have no hesitation in using this mouse above all others, because it runs like a dream. No lag, pixel-perfect precision - sweet as. "

"As it is, the Wireless Intellimouse v2 has earned itself a place on my RatPad, at my right hand (so to speak). It is, in my opinion, quite simply the most ergonomic, and the sexiest mouse on the planet. At only £40, £10 less than I paid for my tailed Intellimouse, it's a bargain."


http://www.hardwarezoom.com/viewcontent.jsp?ReviewID=170&PageNo=6

"Performance Test

In the past, gamers have avoided optical mouse because the mouse pointer tends to jump around during fast action games such as Counter-Strike. However with the latest Optical Technology, this problem has been solved and I have yet to experience such problem no matter how fast I glide the mouse."

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The review states that the mouse scans the surface 6000 times a second and not that it scans up to 6000 dots (or pixels) per inch

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6000 PPI
PPI= Pixels Per Inch
Its all in the tech lingo.

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It can track 37" of movment in one second. They did this to stop any eratic jumping fo mouse when gaming and moving reaaaaally fast. By M$ staitments anyhow. 6000 pictures in one second wouldnt do that well over a 37" in one second range. Also how can you get Pictures Per Second from the abrviation PPI? THe I is Inch like photo's. Other mice use DPI or Dots Per Inch like monitors and other displays. Guess M$ thought since a optical mouse is really a scanner to rate it as such. Dunno, but they are the only ones on the PPI scale for past 2 years or so. This is how it "tracks" so well. High PPI.