Playstation 3 vs. XBOX 360 - A Game Developer's Perspective

[§nake]

I was standing with my friend at his work (Toys r us frontdesk) and the same thing happened, tons of people asking whats the deal with it, and the price, followed my a "GOD DAMN THAT MUCH!?" and a "Well little jimmy guess your gonna have to wait"

[Davis]

Originally Posted by ronnystrauss

correction...xbox kicked ps2's ass.......even without the modchips.
"I hate to say it...
But lets all just face historical facts here.

PS1 sold over 100million units,
PS2 sold over 100million units,
Xbox sold over 40 million units,
Gamcube sold over 35 million units.

Who really thinks that Xbox 360 can compete with this kind of fanbase???"

I dont know about anyone else but I am not argueing who will sell more units...
Its like my love of the saints...im not saying they will win the superbowl but they are still my favorite team and I think they are the best. ( dont try to pull any....stats show saints arent the best bullshit, this is an example, not a metaphor)

And thus is the major flaw with your arguments. I'll use a metaphor. The world is round. You can sail around it, even fly around it. We've known this since the late 1400's. Yet you can believe it is still flat. We could pull all the "scientific bullshit and statisitcal data" we want, but if you're not open to a new perspective you're going to keep on believeing the world is flat.

You have put forward no data to back up the claim "xbox kicked PS2's ass" because there isn't any. all you have is your own personal opinion, which is all well and good. But it is USELESS in a discussion of fact, which is what this entire thread has been about.

Which is why i figured this was done a long time ago.

[asd]

Originally Posted by ronnystrauss

correction...xbox kicked ps2's ass.......even without the modchips.
"I hate to say it...
But lets all just face historical facts here.

PS1 sold over 100million units,
PS2 sold over 100million units,
Xbox sold over 40 million units,
Gamcube sold over 35 million units.

Who really thinks that Xbox 360 can compete with this kind of fanbase???"

I dont know about anyone else but I am not argueing who will sell more units...
Its like my love of the saints...im not saying they will win the superbowl but they are still my favorite team and I think they are the best. ( dont try to pull any....stats show saints arent the best bullshit, this is an example, not a metaphor)

Ronnie. I'm starting to dislike your posts. They don't show any supporting facts, and they even brink on not making any sense sometimes. If you can show me some stats and a link that show that Xbox "kicked PS2 ass" in sales. I would like to see them.

Anyway, I personally believe that PS3 is the best system based on a few titles that are synonomous with Sony: Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, God of War, ICO/Shadow of the Collossus. (Although I understand that a couple of these might be going to XBox).

In terms of BlueRay media, I think PS3 will be more successful 3-4 years down the road because High-Def requires alot of disk space and 7-8 Gigs just won't cut it in the very near future. I understand that XBox is realeasing the HD-DVD player ($199), but there has been no mention of GAMES actually being produced in HD-DVD format. In the past, all the game systems upgraded from CD-ROMs to DVDs which was a significant increase in storage. In this case, PS3 has been the only one to truly upgrade their media to meet today's High-Def, next gen needs. In a few years, PS3 games will blow XBox games away because by then, game developers will have found ways to fill up the BlueRay disk with either Bigger Maps, More game content, or just plain Higher resolution graphics. While the Xbox will be stuck with the limited dual layered DVD.

[ronnystrauss]

My post was saying that just because the ps2 is the more popular system doesnt mean it was better. I said when It comes down to it, its personal opinion, no matter what. It reminds me of something from the movie "thank you for smoking". the kid had to write an essay on why the US had the best government in the world and Nick nailer the main guy said that theres no way to prove it and no matter what its opinion.

and about my football statement.

Just because team A sold out its season tickets doesnt mean its goign to win the superbowl. team b could sell none and still be the better team.....

who cares if ps2 sold the most systems....that doesnt prove it was better.

[AgrAde]

success depends on consensus. we're not talking about opinion of a singular.

highest # of consoles sold = success.

# of consoles sold is pretty proportional to # of games sold which is proportional to how many spend money on the online content of either system.

all these things = money and money = success.

your opinion is "if i like it then it's the best, even if no one else does"... well maybe for you, but we're not talking about that.

[ronnystrauss]

well then, were not talking about success then either, were talking about from a developers standpoint, which is better. as far as I know none of us are game developers.

[kraig]

i think my impala is better than a cadilac CTS because, despite all numbers to the contrary, and despite the fact that the majority of people think the CTS is better, i like my impala, so its better. Facts are irrelavant, case closed.


and for the record, no i don't think my impala is better than a CTS

[ronnystrauss]

No you jackass. I'm saying that they are so equal that it comes down to personal opinion to decide which is better.

I like xbox live, I like the type of games on 360, I like mce compatibility.

You like not paying for online, you like ps3 games, you like linux on ps3.

[kraig]

but by what standards are you saying they are equal. From the sales numbers alone, for every person who got an xbox, 2.5 people bought a PS2. Technically, those would support a claim that the PS2 is much better.

[Georules]

Originally Posted by kraig

i think my impala is better than a cadilac CTS because, despite all numbers to the contrary, and despite the fact that the majority of people think the CTS is better, i like my impala, so its better. Facts are irrelavant, case closed.


and for the record, no i don't think my impala is better than a CTS

What? It seems much of this conversation is losing perspective. A car company hardly cares about your opinion on cars, considering you describe it as an outlier to the standard set of what makes a "good" car. Hell, the company hardly even cares if it is "good" as long as it sells more than the other guy. Your impala may be better in your mind, yes, but if that thought is rare among the consumer set, it means next to nothing to most everyone else.

If Playstation 2 profits are higher than the Xbox profits -- then it was more profitable. That is all you can know. The most you can extend from that, is that a store will probably want to have more Playstation 2's if they are going to profit more from them at that time. This would mean the PS2 is "better" for the store if the store's goal is to profit.

Which console is "more fun" is up to personal opinion of course, but hardly matters to a store. Something generally "less fun" might still be more profitable, for numerous reasons -- price, marketability, replaceable goods, in/flexable demand, supply -- the list goes on and on.

LL's article was the perspective of a developer. A developer is concerned with profitability and ease of development. It concentrated rather heavily on the development process required for the systems, and Xbox360 was selected as the better for being easier. Comments on "game selection" may not be a direct concern of a developer, but he gave his opinion in relation to the porting process required for systems.

Something is better depending on what one values. Numbers can have everything to do with what is better, if that is the sole aspect which it is valued.